Caray, Caray!

Good Morning Y'all:

The recap is up. Please enjoy : )
 

Thanks for getting this started, Madelaine. What an episode!!!
 

Doris:

Yes this was quite an epi. I wanted to knock Kendho out and wipe that smirk off her face. At least Guzmancito had grace, I give him that. And Padre Generoso never asked if anyone objected.

FF is piece of work. I can't wait for Anyballs to get this news from Salsa Dude about FF and Kendho. Anyballs looks like he is up to something, and it ain't good.
 

I had to watch this one twice.

They did it!!! I could not believe they went through with the wedding!!! The only possible way out, at this point, is to have it annulled because surely it will not be consummated. (And no way is this going to be consummated. )

Music team were really on the ball last night.
- Interesting how Pachelbel's Canon in D became discordant as the rings were exchanged.
- Oh, the irony of Beethoven's Ode to Joy (from his 9th) at the wedding reception.
- Nikki's bulimia theme music while Adri took wedding pics.

I almost started crying over Nik & Roy's sad faces in Adri's wedding photos. Here we have two immature kids ...er ... young adults, full of pride and stubbornness, trying to please other people and not themselves, who have realized they are making a tragic, terrible mistake and actually went through with it. Very poignant and sad. No doubt we'll be smacked back into reality the day after, and we will stop feeling sorry for them.

Seriously, unless that text message started with " Victoria, ---" why wouldn't Vikki assume it was real and not a ' wrong number' text? It happens.

Guzman crying during the ceremony made me laugh. Puh-leeze. If he was that much in love with Nikki, he would have secured a divorce from his first wife by now. This guy really needs to have a serious talk with the writers.

Vikki's wedding hair has to be a wig. Her natural color is normally not so … stripey.

Who was that random little boy sitting at the Pavia/Balvanera table? Does Roy have a little bro? (Oh guess what, dear, it was not menopause.)
 

The bride said "sipi".

Mads, you did a fabulous job capturing this alternately depressing and amusing episode. You made a good choice to tease apart the two story lines too.

Poor Betty. If it were not for Guillo's appalling acting, I would have been right there in the slough of despair with her. Fortunately my unkind thoughts about this irritating child keep me from succumbing to the bleakness of the situation.

BTW, Nelson is thinking he can get 51% of Meta Imagen, that is, a controlling interest.

I think Kendra was licking her chops over getting rid of Nikki, the "hijastra" or "stepdaughter." Cristina is old news for her already. [Shudder.]
 

I don't think that Anibal can back down. The family already knows that Nelson has some chick knocked up. Nobody except Anibal, Don Corleone and Candelaria knows about Christina and Lilly. Nelson doesn't really have a reputation to lose anymore, but Anibal will lose his entire family and Adriana will prosecute him and kill him if he buys off the judge.
 

NovelaMaven: thank you! I thought that I was the only one who could not stand that child (the character). OK, him. I personally know him. :)
 

Madelaine Exceptional recap, I loved how you split the two stories up. It's very nice that this could be done.

I was so hurt that wedding continued and this "stupid couple" as you put it Madelaine followed through with the wedding. I felt so unhappy watching this whole novella with Beatriz and her situation and especially Nikki and my Guzmancito. At one point I had to remind myself, IT'S JUST A NOVELA." Lol

Oh btw the song they played for them to dance to is actually one of my favorite songs that I have on my playlist. Bonnie Tyler sings it :)

Doris- "Guzman crying during the ceremony made me laugh. Puh-leeze."
Well I was right along with Madelaine with the tissue box and all. It actually was very emotional for me. I kind of came to terms that he couldn't do anymore than he already had. Not to mention that Nikki admitted during the ceremony she was in love with Francisco. So his tears were of heartbreak, but also that he felt helpless which is reasonable.

Madelaine- "She is contaminating this poor Church. They will have to perform an exorcism after she goes, jus' sayin'." I Lol'd and agree.

My favorite part of the whole capitulo was when Nikki starts walking towards Guzmancito with a real smile on her face for the first time. My Guzmancito and those eyes :)

I'm dying to see Mondays capitulo because *drum roll* the kiss between Nikki/Guzmancito. I'm dying to see how it happened, where it took place, who saw, and my biggest thing is what else will happen or could. Monday can't come fast enough for me.

Team Nikki/Guzmancito Siempre
 

Madelaine- "I wanted to knock Kendho out and wipe that smirk off her face." I ran through the comments quickly to comment myself and don't know how I missed this. I lol'd because I held back on my comment about her. I was going to put that I wish I was there to grab what I could of that gigantic bun and drag her out.

Team Nikki/Guzmancito
 

De nada, Cynderella!

By the way, Opalina knows about Cristina and Lili. [Because Opalina knows everything.]

I doubt Aníbal will give away the farm before getting DNA confirmation that Lili is a blood relative. And as I have said before, I'm hoping she isn't (which is possible if Adriana is Antonio's daughter -- farfetched, I know)

The secrets will come out, yes, but let's keep fingers and toes crossed that the Furry one doesn't profit from them.
 

My eyes saw it last night but I still don't believe it---is this all a giant magic act, an illusion,
a big joke from the writer's? They
both said si, acepto, what! How can this be? Imposible, it can't happen but it did. So---the question now is, [help Mexican law experts] since Nikki had a church wedding, does this mean that when she marries the Guzmancito sometime in the future that it will have to be only a civil wedding?

So many hair comments from yesterday, so I will say it one more time---I liked Victoria's hair
style at the wedding, I found it to be new, different and exciting.

OMG! Poor Bea. How terrible the low is. Nothing but sorrow in last night's show.

Ok Victoria, I can't keep quiet any longer. "And I never liked Liliana anyways." QUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well let's see, on one hand we have a "selfish" "self-centered"
"spoiled" "near brainless" "rich brat." [all great qualties to admire and be proud of] Oh! she has a pretty face and she looks good when in the arms of a man.

Now on the other we have another young lady [also pretty] who is not selfish, self-centered, or a spoiled brat. No she wasn't born rich and had to forgo a college education but she does have a brain
and it does function. Oh yes, and she is "very sweet"---So I guess that you couldn't make a novela around her. Go figure.

There I said it, now on to the recap.
the gringo
 

Thank you for the recap, Mads! :)

Doris:
"Who was that random little boy sitting at the Pavia/Balvanera table?"

He's Nicolás, the son of Erika. :)
with Eiza
with Francisco Gattorno
sooo adorable
birthday party (Eiza turned 23 on the set)
one more
with Eiza again
the twitter- and cell phone addicts
 

Wonderful job Mads! I love how you split up the two plot points. I am so mad about what the writers are doing to Bea. I can't even talk about it.

As for the wedding, well, those two idiots did it. They said yes, or sipis, in front of a priest.

Gringo- As mentioned above, the only hope for both of them to come out of this alive by the end, so that either of them can have a Church wedding with the ones they really love, is an annulment. Since they both admitted they don't love each other before they said the I Dos, neither can claim fraud as a reason for annulment. So the only remaining choice is non-consummation. Roy will remain sexually frustrated. Pobrecito. Not!

I really hope the previews aren’t leading us on and that Salsero actually (finally!) tells Anibal about Kendra and Nelson. It seems that at least one of those bodyguards has some sense.

 

Gringo- I almost forgot you told me there wasn't going to be a wedding and there was. I'm heartbroken! Lol

As far as Liliana goes, she just doesn't do anything for me. She's cute in a way but the whole innocent thing is dull and annoying.
I don't disagree with SOME of the things you said about Nikki, but I like the thought of her being that way because I know it's not who she really is. She keeps me interested and pulled in even though sometimes I want to bop her on the head. I'm all about rooting for the good to come out in someone and for them to make a complete 180. With that said Kendra is not one of those people, she is as I said yesterday evil. A good villain she is and once you start plotting and having people kidnapped and murdered there is no coming back from that.

Just watch Gringo once Nikki blossoms into the mature and kind woman she really is deep down I'm sure she'll even grow on you. :)

Team Nikki/Guzmanito
 

I will comment more later but I wanted to thank NovelaMaven for the corrections which I have done to the recap.

Victoria in TX:

I know all the words to this song and I know who sings it. It is a great breakup song, and that's why I said it was an odd song to play as a first dance at a wedding. Could this be a clue for what will happen to this marriage, like the writers giving us a clue, Hmmmmm

Doris:

Thanks for the classical pieces. I knew Ode to Joy and the Amen hymn, but not the other. Thanx for that.
 

Aribeth I really enjoyed the photos thanks for sharing :)


 

I could not believe they went ahead with the acceptos and literally closed the deal! But then I thought, Nikki can just have the whole thing annulled if they don't consummate the marriage.

And then I watched the advances - what if Nikki finally gives in and sleeps with Guzman and then she gets pregnant by Guzman? I know I'm getting way ahead of myself, and I'm usually wrong, but Nikki did admit (out loud to Roy and herself) that she loves Guzman. The only time she looked happy on her wedding day was when she saw Guzman at the reception. And I can easily imagine them consoling each other over her horrible decision to marry Roy.

Barbara
 

Thanks Madelaine!

Gee that was a frustrating episode! Non consummation it is. Roy's folks just need the money and for some reason Niki feels the need to keep up appearances for a while.

And I had to mute and not watch Bea being terrorized - yet again! Hate that storyline!

So tired of Kenho. I hope Viki tells Aníbal about that message. I DO think Aníbal has leverage over FF if he finds out about who the lover is and that she is expecting.

Yeah, right - Aníbal is going to had over controlling interest of Metaimagen. He may have to make some tough personal choices, but I don't think he'll cave to the nasty little FF!
 

A few more thoughts---Thank you Madelaine for your great recap--the
split was an exceptional idea which leads me to comment---Don't you just love it when you are accused of a crime and you have just 48 hours to prove that you are not guilty--then off to jail you go. What kind of a justice system is that? Seems like a perfect way to get rid of people that you don't like. Falsely accuse
them and away they go, out of your life.

Madelaine your line about having an
exorcism after KendHo contaminates the church is the only bright spot after a night of darkness.

Just an observation---Did anyone see the HUGE contrast between the lavish party with tables of succulent food at the mansion which was followed by an advertisement which showed several
poor people trying to survive by what they can find in the garbage dump? It was terrible.

Victoria---I was wrong, they went through with it. I guess that we will just have to wait to see what happens next. The writers are playing us like pupets on the end of a string. I hope they get paid well, they deserve it.
the gringo
 

There's not much I can add to yesterday's and today's discussions. The recaps were fab, Mads and Aribeth (and thanks for the photos). So were the comments.

Except for--Me and my mouth, there's always an except where food is concerned....

This was supposed to be "the" wedding of the social season. They had enough food there to feed the cast and crew of a telenovela -- ooops, I guess that's right.

However, there weren't really too many people there for a huge wedding--where were all of Anyballs business acquaintances and Vikki's friends, surely she has more that Doris and Joselyn, and where are all of Nikki's school friends, outside her dipsy trio of bridesmaid's?????

Well we know FF doesn't have any friends, but still, don't he, Vicky and the Pavia's know anyone else--didn't they maybe play canasta, bridge, mahjong, tennis or have a book discussion group way back when FF & Vick actually were a couple?

Maybe 100 or so declined because they didn't want to make the trip to the hacienda?

Also, although Nikki was being counseled not to marry in haste and that maybe Roy wasn't going to be the ideal partner, she was being propelled to the altar by Anyballs and her daddy, both men who have loomed large in her life, especially her Tatito.

Thank you, Aribeth, for identifying the youngster sitting with Vicky. I was scratching my head trying to remember what role he had -- like one of Guillo's (irritating, hear, hear) friends. He looks exactly like Erika--he could have been cloned without the help of a Y chromosone swimmer being involved.

 

Madelaine - Great recap! Thank you very much. It was a handful and you did it great justice.

'Food porn' - LOL and ITA, it was gorgeous.

Last night, I was thinking that first song should have been modified to "Total Eclipse of the Brain."

NM - I noticed that "sipi" also. At least it was not "equis".

NM - Guillo does get annoying. Must take after his father, Leo. I FFWD--> thru all these scenes anyway because I just cannot take it.

 

Loved your recap Madeline.

Does anyone know who was that little girl sitting beside Kendho at church? Could it be her child?

Ann-NYC



 

Madeline...loved your recap and especially the comment about the "beyotch" in church and the need for an exorcism after she leaves. How appropriate to have Our Lady Of Sorrows so prominent at the wedding. The whole thing was a heartbreaking tragedy from beginning to end. But Nikki can get an annulment as per the church if the marriage isn't consummated, and am I the only one who thinks it won't be? Just sayin'

I'm just counting the hours until Monday night's epi in which Vikki will confront FF, and JA will be standing behind her laughing.

Oh, and Mads, don't you think a cast iron skillet is way too kind for the cockroach whose name you won't mention? Guillo is a darn good little actor and really has a convincing and wrenching cry for an actor of his age.
 

What would a gringo know? It had always been that after you gave the ring and said "I do," you were in like Flynn. Then I started watchings novella's and found out there is often two weddings, A Civil Wedding and A Church Wedding.
Now I learn that even after you go through both of those, it's still not over/finished or complete until
the wedding is consummated. What is that? Is that when they sign the wedding document/certificate?

I thought that the little boy did a good job of showing fear of a child as his mother was being taken from him and yes, Susana Gonzalez put in a stellar performance. Her acting is golden.
the gringo
 

Thanks Mad!
The jailing of Bea was frightening. If the cameras don't catch the creep who put the jewelry in her purse, she has no defense?!

marea primavera
 

Good Evening Y'all and thanks for all the great comments. I tried to dice this in two, it was easier that way, since there were only two stories to this epi. I have a heck of a time condensing this one. Always so much info!

Doris:

I think Ms Vikki assumed that message was from FF's amante cause she knows he has a lova, just not who. I don't blame her for thinking it had to do with him. Cause actually it does : ) I knew about the Ode to Joy as I've said, the bulimia theme they used in Corazon Salvaje 2009 whenever Regina was pining after Juan del Diablo. I have always associated that bit of music with that.

NovelaMaven:

I thought Nikki said Si P, as in Si Padre. lol. It made sense to me with the context like she wanted to shorten Padre, lol.

Cynderella:

I liked your comment and lol'd. About Anyballs. Don't count him out or all the damage he can still do. He has many cards up his sleeve I think and he has been around the block some. I think the Godfather's Corleone have nothin' on him, lol.

 

Victoria in Texas:

Thank you for all your lovely comments. As soon as they said I do, I just knew you would be upset for your Guzmancito! I really liked the way that they panned that camera from Guzmancito's face to Our Lady of Sorrows. It was so appropriate. You could just feel his pain. Nikki was not herself either, I have never seen such a depressed bride in all my life and Roy was not himself either. I hope they aren't damaged by what they have done just to please their families. Also I didn't mean to sound rude when I commented about the song title and artist you gave. I just wanted you to know that I also knew who the artist was. These poor commenters for this TN. I have given them plenty of earworms over the course of this TN : )
 

NovelaMaven:

You bring up a most interesting point. It would be great if Adri was really the Godfather's child. Now that would be a curve we aren't expecting Hmmmm.

Gringo: I see what you mean about Lili being so nice and gentle and different from Nikki, but what will happen if in fact she is a Balvanera and she finds out. Some food for thought. Just my opinion.

Aribeth:

Thanks so much for the pics. Ericka's son is adorable!

Vivi:

I agree with you about Salsa Dude telling Anyballs about Kendho and FF. I really hope that wasn't a dream sequence or a teaser. I hope he really tells Anyballs so Anyballs has one more thing to hang the FF with. Maybe Salsa Dude won't confess his prior association with the Kendho but here is another way he can put the kibosh to her mis planes!

 

Gringo - when a marriage is consummated, it means the bride and groom have sex. The Church does not consider a marriage to be valid until the couple have sex.
 

Madelaine- It's ok, I didn't take it as you being rude. I just didn't know if you knew the group name or forgot. Thanks for letting me know.

Gringo- "I was wrong, they went through with it." It's ok I'm just messing with you, but I am heartbroken that the wedding finished let's just hope Nikki dodges a bullet with consummating her marriage. The thought of Nikki and Roy... Eck!

Barbara- " what if Nikki finally gives in and sleeps with Guzman..."
I'd be willing to bet on it lol,

I know that sounds bad ya'll because she just got married and all but it's not all the way official ;) and to see and Nikki and Guzmancito FINALLY... Ahhh I'm so excited just thinking about it, the passion, the romance, the love... Ay yi yi I'm dying to see what happens if it happens.

Aribeth thank you for sharing the photos, Nikki and Nicolas look so cute in their pictures together, they even resemble, to me anyways.

Team Nikki/Guzmancito





 

P.s I hope ya'll like my picture, I found it lol. Aribeth got me started with it.

They look so cute!

Team Nikki/Guzmancito
 

Barbara:

You bring up a good point too. What will happen if Nikki and Guzmancito do the deed. There goes the chance of an annulment unless there is another ADN test, oh noes.

Audrey:

I too think Anyballs is cleverer than FF gives him credit for. He thinks he has this old man just cornered with no way out. FF seems to forget that Anyballs has many friends and methods of getting rid of the competition, look at the Odious one, and those two old novios of his girlz. Well FF never thought of that. He isn't the sharpest tool in the shed so to speak, lol.

Gringo:

I agree about the forty eight hours but if Betty gets a good lawyer the first thing this guy will want is the camera footage I think. He will want to see if his client is truly guilty, as you even brought up yourself the other day. So I am hoping this sets her free.

Anita:

I wondered about that too, about the guests. I know some of the Meta Imagen staff was there, that photog that works at the agency was there. Gilda wasn't though, not that I saw. They did have enough food on there to feed an army I must say. Those roasted potatoes and that pasta looked so good. The carrot cake made me laugh cause we keep seeing the same one on PEAM, lol. I hope the crew was able to eat well and that they donated the rest to a homeless shelter.

Doris:

The food porn name came from Elvira, I think she came up with that term during LQPNA. I give her the credit for that.

Ann in NYC:

I don't know who that little girl was. Maybe Aribeth knows.

Dona Gringuita:

The cast iron skillet idea came from Emilia the lovely lady that makes the TN beanies. They do pack quite a punch, not that I have ever used one to hit someone with, but with the weight of those cast iron skillets, I have one passed down from my Grandma, they are quite heavy and would do some major damage, just what the he who shall remain nameless deserves : )

Marea Primavera:

I so agree with you. I am hoping that camera footage exists and that Betty is released from that carcel ASAP.
 

In the US, and I think also in England, the states empower clergymen to perform the civil ceremony (as if they were a justice of the peace) as well as the religious one. That's why only one ceremony - religious or civil. In most other countries there is always a civil ceremony with a judge/state official whether or not there is a religious ceremony.

Gringo - in the civil ceremony, the bride and groom and witnesses signed the documents.
 

Now to some thoughts of my own. I had the hardest time recapping what happened to poor Betty. She so didn't deserve what happened to her. I can't believe he just got away with that and why didn't the Head of Security at the mall review that camera footage before sending her off to the Delegacion? They would have seen that henchie put that necklace in her purse. I am really hoping that she gets a good lawyer that will review that footage and set her free. I worry about Guillo. Seems this whole setup was not only to put Betty in the carcel but to give the nameless one access to Guillo. What is he going to do with that little boy now? I have to say this child did a great job acting his part. I bet he isn't anything like this off camera. I have to give kudos to him, cause Guillo was terrified of them hauling off his Moms.


 

It doesn't matter if Niki has sex with Guzmi. She has to have sex with Roy for her marriage to him to be valid in the eyes of the Church.
 

Oh, another point about the theft. Why would she buy this expensive Xbox and then steal a necklace? Doesn't make much sense. The mall security guy is very dense, jus' sayin'
 

Audrey- I second your most recent comment lol

Team Nikki/Guzmancito
 

Victoria in TX:

I too am hoping that Vikki and Guzmancito slip away and do the deed. I know she just got married, but she deserves something after going thru all that. Her love for him is very strong. I just hope Roy doesn't catch them. There would be hell to pay, cause he wouldn't be getting his Little Orchid like he wanted to. Hmmm....
 

Audrey:

You are right on both counts. She has to consummate her marriage, and sleeping with Guzmancito doesn't count. But if she gets pregnant they will frown on this I think, until there is a ADN test to prove who's bebe it is, and the way the Church looks at things, they may think she is a fallen woman. Oh, noes.
 

Madelaine- I don't know why but I lol'd when you said, "do the deed" those words make it seem so naughty, lol. Good point about Roy and if he were to catch them if they did, It didn't cross my mine how he would react if he were to and what he would do. If they do, hopefully the writers will give us some relief and not let Roy interrupt them lmbo. That sounds so bad since after all it is HIS wife and HIS wedding night. Oh well! Lol

Team Nikki/Guzmancito
 

Victoria in Texas:

I do like your new Avatar. I am trying to find a good one of my telenovio Eduardo, sigh!
 

Madelaine- I'm sure ya'll have explained this but I don't remember. Why do ya'll say ADN instead of DNA?

Team Nikki/Guzmancito
 

Madelaine- Eduardo Yanez is your telenovio?

Thanks I think I'm going to change my avatar to revolve around them as the story continues :)

Team Nikki/Guzmancito
 

Victoria in TX:

ADN is the Spanish way of spelling DNA that's why we use it. I think it is kind of cool : )

Yes, Eduardo Yanez is my telenovela novio : ) I discovered Caray Caray in late 2011. I watched Corazon Salvaje 2009 where he was the lead and I was hooked! I also saw Destilando Amor when it repeated in late night and also La Verdad Oculta in late night. I think he is fab. He has quite a range I must say. I started reading the recaps in late 2011 and then graduated to recapping in 2012. I speak a fair amount of Italian and am picking up the Spanish quite well. I don't use captions I just listen and take notes. Most of the time I get what is going on. I rely on body language a lot too. These actors are so great that way. Eduardo though, sigh. For as old as he is, he is one fine specimen of manliness, just my own humble opinion : )
 

LMBO Madelaine- I really enjoyed reading that last comment and congratulations on your graduating to being a recapper in 2012. I wouldn't have known you didn't speak Spanish fluently. I too am trying to learn without Englsih captions. Sometimes I use Spanish captions because I'm good ad reading Spanish. Also I can relate on the "relying on body language", I agree. As far as your Italian, I think that's pretty neat.
And my grandmother is in love with Eduardo Yanez. He has a nice smile. I like his hair more than anything :)
Thanks for letting me know about the ADN.

Team Nikki/GUzmancito
 

Of course if Roy had admitted he was in love with Liliana at the altar, that would have broken the spell right there. Niki would have snapped out of her trance, thrown a hissy fit, and marched out of the wedding outraged, LOL!
 

Audrey- "Of course if Roy had admitted he was in love with Liliana at the altar, that would have broken the spell right there. Niki would have snapped out of her trance." Oh WOW, good point, I never thought about that. Darn Roy for not admitting his love with Liliana.

Team Nikki/Guzmancito
 

Victoria, your avatar is lovely! :)
Mads, when I get home, I'll send you some Lalo-photos, maybe you can use one of them as your avatar.

I'm sorry, I don't know who the little girl was.
 

I have a rhetorical question:
It isn't right that Vic and Angel were pining after each other and kiss while they were both married, but it would be OK for Nikki and Guzmi to have sex on her wedding day, while they are both married? :P
 

Beatrice could have avoided her troubles if she hadn't caved to her annoyingly whiny child and said, "No, you don't need the game now. Let's save your money for something more important (like clothes or shoes)." Then she wouldn't have been dragged to the mall by that screeching boy. Sure, the dufus dad gave him the $$ for the game, but come on, who's the adult here? Spoiling a kid can lead to going to jail, so parents beware!
 

Aribeth - Your rhetorical question is more than rhetorical. IMO it's a moral question, too.

Audrey said...
'Of course if Roy had admitted he was in love with Liliana at the altar, that would have broken the spell right there.'
And there is the difference between Nikki and Roy. One could say Nikki is more honest than Roy, or that Roy is more of a coward than Nikki.
 

Aribeth:

I think your question is quite good. I understand about the morality, but they don't love each other and only went through this marriage because they felt they had no other option. It's more a marriage of convienance in other words. No love, just friends. I'm not saying that if Roy ever found out that Nikki did/or might sleep with Guzmancito during this marriage he wouldn't be jealous or if Nikki ever found out that Roy is in love with Lili she wouldn't be jealous, it just seems that this marriage is just such a farce. They both know it. It isn't like Angel cause he loved his wife Cris for years and not like Ms Vikki who loved FF and then found he cheated and that was it for her. Both of them spent many years with their spouses.

I know it isn't an excuse to cheat, they are married, but there is absolutely no love there. They should have stopped after the civil ceremony but really they shouldn't have married at all. I can't imagine what the future holds for Nikki and Roy.
 

I wouldn't have much problem with them if they did the deed since Nikki's marriage is a tragicomedy and Frankie's marriage has been dead for a long time, but Angel and Vicky were criticized heavily for the goodbye kiss just because they were both married. You know, double standard.
 

Aribeth:

I would love some pics of Lalo : )
 

I have a new avatar, squee. Thanks so much Aribeth!
 

Great choice, Mads! :)
 

Remember that there are TWO important things that Nikki still doesn't know:

1. That Roy has a crush on Liliana

2. That Roy married Nikki for her money because his parents are broke.

Both will be felt as betrayal when she learns the truth; but in the end, the second will be the more profound betrayal because it is what Nikki has always feared.
 

Victoria--Just an observation....for someone who is going to "leave" us when AV is over, you are certainly getting deeply involved in the Caray Community (psst, I love your avatar). It takes some of us years before we even attempt to choose an icon (me).
 

Madelaine:
We have to share EY as our telenovio. I have been watching telenovelas since the early 2000 after getting hooked on the original "Yo Soy Betty La Fea". A few years ago both "Guadalupe" and "Marielena", both filmed in Florida. Heavy sigh. I am really enjoying him acting his age in AV because he needed to stretch his range: He is a father of a teen aged daughter now, widower from a long term marriage, etc. I am glad he isn't chasing after 20 year old girls/women.
About the fallout from "the kiss". I think both JA and Vikki are keenly aware of the chemistry between them and at the time the kiss a chapter ended in their ongoing "attraction". I also think they are trying not to cross the moral line any further than "the kiss". They know it was deeply meaningful. Right now there is a lot of "other" turmoil right now: Lilliana and her true parentage, Nikki and her "for convenience only" marriage with the idiot Roy, Guzman's pining, the unnamed framing Bea and absconding with the screeching kid and lastly the wrekage left by Candelaria, Anyballs and even Paula. There are plenty of fireworks left.
I want nameless, FF and Kendho to vanish as soon as possible. K-ho being the most dispicable, ought to get the "acid" treatment like Isadora in AB. Couldn't happen to a more deserving B(fill in the blanks)ch.
SFChicaBonita
 

Again I am behind and catching up. As always, many thanks to the dedicated recappers who help me stay informed.

NOvelaMaven--I would add:

3. That Anibal knew what Roy was doing and pretty much approved it by "buying a groom" for Nikki.

That's going to hurt, too.
 

Good point, Sara. Yet another betrayal.
 

Aribeth- I understand your question, but there is a big difference with that. Cristina didn't want to lose her husband and was unaware of what was going on. Nikki and Roy couldn't love each other less if there lives were depended on it. Also Roy knew about Nikki and Guzmancito and still went through with it. He made his bed, now he can lie in it.

Team Nikki/Guzmancito
 

Madelaine- Ah I love your avatar and I must now say for the first time what I'm thinking about Eduardo. He's a hottie in that picture :)

BTw Aribeth thanks for the compliment about my avatar. They are just s adorable.

Anita- LOL, I know but I might as well make the best of the time I have with ya'll. I will make my first and last Caray, Caray experience memorable for me and ya'll :) Plus AV is getting more and more interesting so I have to put my two sense in lol

Team Nikki/Guzmancito
 

I agree there are huge differences between the two lead couples, but still...
"Arriaga and Victoria's kiss was pretty romantic, but I don't support it because he is still married and NOW he is cheating separation or not."

Aside from Cristina, the core of the situation is pretty much the same: Nikki and Guzmi are married, and we pretty much know they'll kiss in the next episode. Now marriage is sacred or not?

(In my opinion: marriage/relationships aren't sacred, except when the couple has young children, because kids need stability.)
 

Aribeth- Lol Love how you found my words and are now making me eat them, but I said that more for Cristina because again she was unaware of what was going on and had gone through a lot of jealousy with thinking they were having an affair and Arriaga swearing up and down that she was the only love for him which turned out to be a bunch of bologna, Just saying.So I hope that has explained that comment that I made a little while ago. Also Nikki confessed to Roy AT THE ALTAR that she does not love him and is in love with Guzmancito so with that said... Roy is AWARE, still married her and I can definitely accept it if her and Guzmancito were to have a night of passion :)

Team Nikki/Guzmancito
 

"which turned out to be a bunch of bologna"

LOL! :D
 

Victoria said:..."Also Nikki confessed to Roy AT THE ALTAR that she does not love him and is in love with Guzmancito so with that said... Roy is AWARE, still married her...."

Yes, but...there were his parents and Anibal sitting in the congregation. The deal was he *marries* Nikki or there's no moola for Doris and Milton. If that weren't the case, maybe, just maybe, he'd have had the guts to derail the train wreck, along with Nikki. Roy also still has to live up to Anibal's "threat" to make his granddaughter happy "or else." I don't think Roy had much of a choice. If only he and Nikki had had a good talk before hand.

Nikki, meanwhile, was dealing with her impression (fed by Kendra) that her love for Guzman was mis-directed. There wasn't much she could do to rid herself of the image of Guzman as an interesado, trepador y farsante, according to Kendra, except go through with the marriage to forget him. If only she had talked to Roy AND Guzman before taking this step.

I'm not too worried, though. The credits show Nik & Guz in all kinds of happy settings.


 

I'm still ticked off at major hottie Guzman because for all his proclamations of love for Nikki, the guy is still married to his first wife.

I can understand someone falling for another person while they are still married to someone else. However, they should do the right thing and divorce or legally separate before they take the next step with #2. JMO
 

Doris:

Guzmancito did call his wife in the States a couple of times and hasn't been able to get ahold of her. He has been separated from his wife Amber for some time now.

I know what you mean about being separated before taking the next step or steps. Maybe Roy and Nikki won't live together as husband and wife, but more like friends without the benefits.

 

Audrey---Thanks for the consumation
info. I guess that's it's a Catholic thing that I was not aware of.

Thanks Madelaine---I didn't know what ADN was either, I only knew the term DNA.

Victoria in Texas---When this is all over, you will be very happy---
I mean, Nikki will have her true love the the Guzmancito. The sweet
Little Orchid??? Well she will end up with the jerk-pompous ass-looser
Roy. YUCK!!!
the gringo
 

Anita- Point made. "The credits show Nik & Guz in all kinds of happy settings." I know I SUPER excited!!!

Doris- "I'm still ticked off at major hottie Guzman because for all his proclamations of love for Nikki, the guy is still married to his first wife." Good point, I agree.

Team Nikki/Guzmancito

 

I've been thinking too about True Love. It is really hard to find and when you do find it, as I did, you are the happiest person on Earth. I am such a romantic I know, but to get to True Love there are many pitfalls and hurdles sometimes you have to avoid/surmount before you get there. Our lead couples sure are doing that, just a thought.
 

Anon 5:49:

Guillo really isn't spoiled. Betty makes enough to get Guillo's clothes and shoes, this was just a little extra treat for him and yes the money came from the nameless one. I bet Guillo never plays with that game console after what happened to his Moms.
 

Madelaine- "Maybe Roy and Nikki won't live together as husband and wife, but more like friends without the benefits." OMG, I can't believe you just said that. Lol, too funny. But I'm not wanting benefits anything.

Gringo- "When this is all over, you will be very happy---
I mean, Nikki will have her true love the the Guzmancito." I will be very happy, but I know I'm sure I'll be stressing the rest of the novella, they better not make us wait until the complete end for Nikki and Guzmancito to get together. I really am sorry if Liliana gets stuck with Roy, but what he changes into a really good guy huh? He already has shown he really loves her.

Team Nikki/Guzmancito
 

Yikes! They actually did it. It wasn't unexpected, but it was certainly disappointing... especially with both admitting to the each other that they'd rather be somewhere else.

Thanks for this recap, Madelaine. Breaking it into two stories was a stroke of genius in your presentation. You managed to sustain the tension of both events perfectly. Very well done.

Maybe it was my opposition to the wedding, but for me the music (although I'm familiar with and thought I liked all the music used) was jarring to the point of being almost painful.

As far as an annulment is concerned, I'm not particularly worried, Aníbal has way of making things happen. If Ted Kennedy could do it, surly a Balvenera would have no problem.

Kendra may actually inadvertently help Estéfano and Jean Marie by giving Odette a chance to get used to the idea of a gay son before Monday's announcement dinner.

I wonder why Vikki isn't connecting a few dots. Her husband is expecting a baby... Kendra's pregnant... Hmmm...

I have no problem seeing Roy and Nikki splitting up and Guzmán getting together with Nikki, but I see a problem for Ratiana ever trusting Roy again... unless... could this be a job for Opalina and Destiny's Snails?

Don't forget Roxana's photo in Rolando's cell phone.

Oh, and add me to the not a Guillo fan group. I almost feel guilty after this episode but the kid gives me the creeps.

Carlos
 

SF Chica Bonita:

Ok, I'll share, lol. I agree with your comments about Kendho, especially. Death is too good for her and disfigurement would be perfect. As far as the nameless one, maybe he'll go to jail and get the same treatment he gave poor Betty. FF just needs to disappear, not that I am cutting him any slack, but maybe all his schemes will be revealed and he'll be totally humiliated with no way out, perfect punishment for him.
 

NovelaMaven:

So true about the secrets that Roy has kept from Nikki. Let's just hope he doesn't turn into the FF. That would be horrible.
 

I was a little disappointed by the food that we saw at the wedding buffet. I thought that the fish looked dry as did the pasta and that the veggies were unremarkable. The dessert table was attractive but not particularly spectacular. I was expecting a whole suckling pig, a roast goat, prime rib, and grilled lobsters at least, as well as tons of fresh fruit. I'll be expecting much more at JM's and Steve's wedding.

Carlos
 

Madeline:
I didn't mean that Guillo was spoiled in a materialistic sense. I mean that every time he whines about wanting to go somewhere or do something Bea gives in (maybe just to stop the whining, but that encourages it). Even once, as big as he is, when they were living with Cris and Lili and his mother told him it was time for bed, he asked to be CARRIED to the bedroom and she picked that big old baby up, nearly doubling over - his legs dangling almost to her shins! It was obvious he is too heavy for her and that, IMO, is spoiling a child and turning him into a (n even more) screechy, sniveling brat. No me gusta. LOL - believe it or not, I do like kids! :-)

Anon 5:49
(occasional visitor)
 

I don't like Guillo either. The little actor is cute, and the character had some nice/adorable moments, but usually he gets on my last nerve with his sniveling.
 

gringo - I hope your comment about how Nikki/Roy/Lilli/Guzman will end up was mere speculation. CarayCaray is a spoiler-free zone.
 

OT: Is Caray going to recap Corazón indomable? I don't have time to see it but I would like to read the recaps.
 

Doris:

What Gringo put is not a spoiler. I think he meant it as speculation. He usually puts his predictions this way, no worries : )
 

Carlos:

Lol'd about your Kennedy comment. And you are right a Balvanera could surely do it. I did like the way the food was presented, but I'm sure the food at Estefano and Jean Marie's wedding will be far superior, after all it's Jean Marie : )

Anon 5:49:

Apologies. I thought you meant in the material sense. I don't know, I like all kids. Even though he acts like a big ole baby, I can tolerate him. I think it's the way his nameless papa uses him against his Mama Betty that I give Guillo a break : )

BlueJean:

I don't know if anyone will recap Corazon Indomable. But I will find out. Keep checking the board here.
 

Madelaine, I'm sooo looking forward to a JM/Stevie wedding. I'm guessing that it might be a TN first and we did get a hint that it might actually happen when Estéfano was talking with his mom about the upcoming Monday meet-the-mom dinner. Odette said that right now the Nikki/Roy wedding might be the social event of the year but predicted that Steve's and his partner's wedding would be the talk of everyone in their social circle.

Estéfan agreed that it would be.

Carlos
 

Madelaine - Terrific recap. Glad you split the two stories cause Bea's dilemma is too hard to take. My favorite lines: "this stupid couple" and "They will have to perform an exorcism after she goes..."

Okay, Roy tells Nikki at the altar he doesn't love her. So what in the world is going through Nikki's mind about why Roy focused on marrying her since his return from Europe? I'm having a problem feeling sorry for these two. Nikki, even if Guzman were a trepador, so what. You love him, marry him anyway and let him "use" you, like in that Bill Withers' song. It's not like you worked for the money and handle it wisely yourself.

Dang, Bea should have pressed charges against leo the low when she had the chance cause now she has nothing to document why he shouldn't get custody of Guillo. It's scary that she hasn't been able to call anyone for help.
 

On the difference between Guzman and Nikki possibly getting it on and the Vickie-Angel kiss, the Roy-Nikki "marriage" is a sham and both spouses know it but Angel and Cris' marriage was real but with problems. IMHO, the first wouldn't be a traicion as all are clear on where they stand, but the latter was "traicion" with a capital "T" cause Angel wasn't straight with Cris. Making your spouse live a lie is a no-no.
 

Doris---No my comment wasn't a spoiler, I would never do that or even try to do that. I myself HATE
spoilers and so I would never even think about ruining things for someone else. What I said just seems so completely obvious to me,
at least at this point. With out a doubt, Nikki will end up with her true love-Guzman and Sweet Little Orchid? Well I just hope that what Victoria said comes true---maybe he will change. OH I HOPE SO.
the gringo
 

I don't watch Corazón indominable, but it's a huge hit in Mexico. I'm sure people will be interested in it in the US, too, so there will be recappers.
 

Thanks Mads as always very fine recap.
Very sad wedding indeed. I'm praying for -all will not end well. Meaning will be annulled.

Gringo, I need to say this, If indeed that Liliana is a Balvanera, while we see her as sweet and gentle, like a true Balvanera we have also seen her violent(like her mom-Adriana) and assertive. Just saying.
I also think if in the end, Roy comes back to her, I'm thinking, why should she forgive him when he has done the ultimate betrayal lovers can ever have. So, He doesn't deserve her. Whereas, with Nikki and Guznancito, there is no betrayal, just a compelling reason that Kendho have supplied.
I am puzzled by the shoplifting topic. I guess in Mexico one goes to jail when you shoplift. I have a friend's daughter here in Los Angeles that was ordered to pay the cost of the shoplifted item. So the mom paid for it. I think she was a first offender.
And lastly, I love the "Food porn".
And lastly, I love the "Food Porn"
 

Weren't our Aribeth's photos simply amazing? Aribeth, I just posted a very late comment on your post. Another stellar job.

Madelaine, 90 comments! I thought your recap was wonderful, thoughtful and very well detailed. Many wonderful lines but your best was reserved for Kendra: "Where is the lightening strike for this beyotch". We are all waiting! And, EY is my ideal man too. Just about perfect.

Aribeth: In answer to your question, I don't feel both issues are on the same level. Vic and JA fell in love, but they shared one kiss, a goodbye kiss. They never really acted on their passion. Was it wrong to fall in love? I don't think you can stop that from happening but you can decide how you deal with it. They were married to others long ago and both decided they would not leave their partners to be together mostly for family, their daughters in particular. Roy and Nikki had a chance not to get married but didn't take it (I'm still shaking my head in disbelief). They had no gun to their heads (pressures, but), they did not have to go through with it. I would be aghast if Nikki spends the night with Frankie. If he has any self respect, he will push her away. Their getting married was utter foolishness. I agree that they will get an annulment due to the fact they won't consummate it.

Diana
 

Good Morning Y'all and thank you so much for all the great comments.

Carlos:

It would be a TN first for an Estefano and Jean Marie wedding. I think it would be great if they did it. This wedding would be the event of the social season, so to speak : )

Neice:

I agree with both your comments. It bothers me that Nikki hasn't thought about Roy's motive for marrying her. If she has known about Lili I think she would have stopped that wedding. Now they both made their beds and have to lie in them. I'm am curiously looking forward to what is going to transpire with this messed up marriage. I liked your reference to Bill Withers : )

Diana:

I liked your whole comment. What I can't understand about the wedding was why Padre Generoso didn't ask if there was any objection to he marriage? I can understand what you mean about Ms Vikki and the Angel and Nikki and Roy. But Roy and Nikki don't love each other and it's such a sham marriage. We'll have to wait and see what transpires with these two. How can they carry on a marriage when there is no love there. It should be interesting to see how they handle it.
 

Vida2:

I too wonder what Lili is going to do if she finds out she is a Balvanera. Will she change, stay the same? I wonder how Anyballs will handle that also. What would he do if he finds out she is a Balvanera? Will he cover it up, will he help her, will he ever tell Ms Vikki and admit to Adri he had someone take her bebe? So many things could happen when this comes out!

Audrey and Victoria in TX:

I liked both your comments about what would have happened if Roy had told Nikki he is in love with Lili, and I too agree that that would have stopped that wedding. Now we'll have to see what will happen with Nikki and Roy.
 

Is there any particular reason why Roy saying he was also in love with someone else would have stopped the wedding? Since no alarms bells went off for Nikki when he said he didn't love her either (after the last many weeks of fawning and pawing all over her), then I can't see how the fact that he's in love with someone else would have changed Nikki's mind.

Since he and Nikki have never really spoken about Lili, and Roy has no prior context to easily bring up how he met the daughter of her mother's bodyguard, getting into that as they stood there at the altar whispering under their breathes would not have been the easiest thing.

But had Roy mentioned Lili by name, the reason Nikki would have walked away from the altar would not have been because she had come to her senses or because she felt Roy being in love with someone else was a betrayal, but because of her irrational hate and jealousy of Lili.

 

Good morning Diana. I always look forward to you starting the conversation up again on Mon morning with your thoughts and observations.

As sad and angry as I am over what is happening to Betty, it might be a good thing that Leo has popped up again so at least now Betty can get shed of him (as in divorced) once and for all.

Bless her heart, she can't seem to catch a break. She was abandoned by her mom for Aníbal when she was very young, She managed to hook up with and marry that lunatic, her father is an inveterate gambler, she is employed by her mom's ex-lover, she has fallen in love again with a criminal, she is in jail after being framed by ex for shoplifting, she is almost certainly pregnant by rape by Leo... the only real positives in her life are a loving but preoccupied brother and her son (whom many of us find insufferable).

Well, of course her mom Paula loves her but she is burdened with a lot of her own heavy luggage.

Yikes!

Carlos
 

Carlos- Sipi. Bea is definitely a tragic figure, even more so than Adri in many ways. Although, many would argue having your only child stolen from you is worse than anything else. But if that child were Guillo...I'm joking! ;-)


 

Nikki's psychologist should've been at the wedding and sitting on the first row. Maybe he could've talked her down. :D

Though I wouldn't see it as betrayal cause the Nikki-Roy “marriage” is an open sham, I don't really want to see Guzman bedding a woman that just refused his pleas not to marry. But Nikki is pretty messed up right now and needs Guzman's support more than ever, so I hope he stays close to her.

While I wouldn't want to babysit Guillo, I found the acting realistic at the police station. I thought he did the crying and hurt eyes well.

Madelaine - Love your new avatar.

 

Tragic Figures-- Bea vs Adri

Bea- Mother left her when she was in late teens/came back into her life when she was an adult.
Adri- Mother died when she was a little girl.
Bea- Gambling addict, but loving, father.
Adri- Manipulative, controlling father.
Bea- First love turned into crazy, stalking abuser.
Adri- First love impregnated her and then was sent away by her father.
Bea- Lived for years under the thumb of her abusive husband.
Adri- Lived for nearly two decades with the anguish of losing her child.
Bea- Has love of her son, father, brother, mother, and friends.
Adri- Has the love of her big sister, niece, and godfather.
Bea- Found new love, with a man with a dark past and present.
Adri- Has not had the love of a man since she was 15.

 

Vivi:

You are right about Nikki and Roy. Unless Roy had named Lili by name it wouldn't have stopped the wedding and I can see your point about whispering forever and a day at the altar. I'm surprised Padre Generoso didn't overhear what they said to each other. We all know how much Nikki doesn't like Lili, that's why I thought if Nikki had heard Lili's name she may have walked off.

Sara C:

You and NovelaMaven are spot on with your comments about what Nikki doesn't know. She will be in a world of hurt when she finds out how hoodwinked she has been.

Vivi and Carlos:

So agree with you both about poor Betty. This woman has so been through enough already. She is a tragic figure and I hope this time whatever the nameless one has planned, he goes down in flames. I want him gone already. He is horrible and I could go on and on. But I'll stop the rant now.

Neice:

I too wonder how Guzmancito could possible sleep with a married woman, but I think the love between these two is so powerful it will be damn the consequences. I don't think it is about the sex either. It's about the powerful love. I too think that Nikki's doc should have been there. He would have maybe seen something being wrong. Thanks about the avatar. I got it from Aribeth : )
 

Vivi:

I so love your contrasting lists. They are both so tragic but there is some hope for them. Maybe Adri will find another love or her first love will return. Maybe eventually she will know about Lucia. I want to see her laugh and be happy for a change.

Betty I am the most worried for. The nameless one is very dangerous and vengeful, I worry for Guillo and her both. But, she does have Santino and I know his past is very dark and who knows how this relationship is going to turn out. My best hope is that Salsa Dude atones for what he has done, Betty is finally stable with Guillo and maybe Salsa Dude and Betty will end up being happy. So many possibilities but there is that past of Santino's.
 

Things are definitely looking up for Adri since Lili came into her life. Even though she doesn't know who Lili is, being around her makes her smile and makes her happy. Finding out the truth eventually will only add to that happiness.

On the other hand, Bea's near future is looking pretty grim, with Leo on the loose, this jail situation, Salsero's past being exposed at some point, AND a possible pregnancy from Leo.
 

Vivi-Love your way of comparing and contrasting the lives of the two women. Both are tragic figures in the biggest Greek sense. I think Adri has the better chance of having a happy ending than Bea. Adri can recover her child andher baby-daddy, but I don't think it's in the snails for Bea.

One last thing about Anyoldballs and Lili. He already knows, or has very strong suspicions she is a Balvanera grandchild. What he doesn't know is that she is the child of a legitimate daughter and not an illegitimate daughter. Not that it matters much in this day and age unless Anyoldballs never recognizes either Cris or Lili legally before he passes to the other mundo. Vikki and Adri (if she doesn't know Lili is her child), could challenge the will.

The results of the ADN test are probably more anxiously waited for by everyone on the Patio than OAB himself. It will certainly raise some lively discussion among the guests.

I have a feeling Estefano and Jean Marie's coming out party is not going to end well. I hope Balzac (hehe) is there to console both of them. The one good thing in their favor is that Mama already knows JM and loves his desserts.

 

Mads & Vivi--We are on the same wavelength. I was writing and re-writing (when Captcha ate my posting). A pat on the back to all of us.
 

Anita:

Yes, Greek tragedy. That is exactly it with both women.

I agree about Anyballs too. Will he or won't he recognize Lili? And will he ever tell Adri, doubtful, will she find out somehow, hoping for that. Intersting point about Anyballs not surviving, but he is an old coot, very wily, and I think he'll be around. I know right now he has no idea who Lili is other than the daughter of Cris, and he's waiting for the ADN proof. Do you think Candelaria is gone for good? Do we think that she will keep this to herself? She knows he ordered the ADN test for proof, so I wonder if she will come back at some point and spill what she suspects about Lili being Lucia and how will Anyballs handle that. So much food for thought.

I too agree about Jean Marie and Estefano but you made a good point about Odio liking Jean Marie's desserts and café, lol.
 

Remember how Opalina gave Bea that scary hairy eyeball of a look? She never looked at Adri that way. Entonces ...
 

NovelaMaven:

You are so right about Opalina. Betty was so freaked out by her too, Opalina gave her the strangest look. Adri on the other hand, she gave lots of hope. I too wonder now that the seer has seen so to speak when we will find out how these things go.
 

As several have said, Nikki is no friend of Lili---I think that Nikki
will go balistic when she finds Little Orchid's picture on Roy's cell phone. Even though she is not in love with Roy---still, Lilli's picture will drive her wild and I think that picture will come up soon.


Carlos---What a tragic revelation on Bea. I know that she had had some hard knocks along the way but didn't think that her life was as tragic as you portrayed it. I hope that she gets a ray of sunshine soon.
the gringo
 

Wouldn't it be nice if some way some how Nikki and Lilli actually become friends?
the gringo
 

Wow, I miss so much good discussion while I'm busy getting sunburned.

Madelaine, thanks for a great recap of a frustrating episode.

I agree with all y'all, Nikki should be wondering really hard why Royero was so dead set on marrying her when he doesn't love her. I hope she gets an annulment right away.

If she's so worried about being married for her money, why doesn't she just broadcast far and wide that her family's money isn't hers, her family insists on a prenup/bienes separados, the money is all going to charity and she won't be inheriting, whatever? Then she'd find out who was still interested. And she's a total freeloader herself...

I barely noticed the food at the wedding. I was busy ogling the architecture. That hacienda is spectacular.

I mostly FF>> when Guillo is on the screen. That kid is insufferable. I think if Salsero agrees to be a dad to that brat, that is atonement enough for whatever he's done.

 

Diana- "If he has any self respect, he will push her away."
I don't think it would make him have any less self respect for being with Nikki. Everyone there knows the love Nikki and Guzmancito have for each other including Roy all except Nelson and Anibal but they don't matter to me anyways. I'm hoping if they do share a night of passion that it will set everything straight and they can talk out all the garbage that Kendra has been feeding Nikki. I wouldn't respect him any less. But that's me!

Gringo- "Wouldn't it be nice if some way some how Nikki and Lilli actually become friends?"
It would make for interesting change up.

Julia- "I barely noticed the food at the wedding. I was busy ogling the architecture. That hacienda is spectacular."
I'm right there with you, I was captivated by the architectue as well.

Vivi- I too enjoyed cyour comparison between Adriana and Beatriz. Thanks for sharing! How tragic for both of them.

Vida2- "If indeed that Liliana is a Balvanera, while we see her as sweet and gentle, like a true Balvanera we have also seen her violent(like her mom-Adriana) and assertive."
Very good point made!

Neicie- "Nikki's psychologist should've been at the wedding and sitting on the first row. Maybe he could've talked her down."
Wow I never thought about that... Nikki should have still been going to therapy, now it makes me mad how they pushed the whole therapy sessions out the picture because I'm sure it could have been helpful in assisting Nikki in making the right decision about marrying Roy.

SUPER excited for tonight's epsiode. Can't wait to see what's to come. Ahhhh!

Team Nikki/Guzmancito


 

Julia:

I so like your idea about Nikki announcing to all and sundry that that money isn't hers and about the prenups. The Pavias sure got their blood money out of this marriage. They probably think there is sooo much more to come. They are pitiful fools.

Victoria in TX:

Sometimes I wish Guzmancito would slap Nikki, not hard mind you, like Cher did to Nic Cage in Moonstruck and tell her to get over it. I also think of the song "That's Amore" everytime I see them together. True Love is looking Nikki right in the face, Guzmancito, and she just doesn't see it!
 

I will not be commenting for three or four days--I'm so sad.
the gringo
 

OK. I just put up a synopsis of Corazon Indomable. Anyone who has desired to recap, now is your chance! Carlos??? When will we see you recapping again? There's a monkey...
 

There has been much comment that the only way a marriage that has been blessed by the Church can be eligible for an annulment is if the marriage is not consummated. This is NOT true. There are various ground for annulment even if the marriage has been consummated and children result from that union. The key question to be decided by a church tribunal (usually within the diocese)is: was there a valid marriage to begin with. And this resolves around the issue of defects in the contracting parties. The most common one is a'defect of contract'. This goes to the state of one or both both of the parties. For example,there was no intent to enter into a lifelong contract, or there was an unwillingness on one of both to enter into the contract. The mere saying "I do " does not fully reveal the intent of the parties. I would say that both Roy and Nikki has a defect of contract on ground of lack of intent. Of course it will help if the marriage is not consummated but this is not necessary. Once the parties are questioned the tribunal can find that it was a 'putative marriage' and none existed, hence an annulment.
 

Anon 3:22- I mentioned earlier that since they both told each other before they said "I Do" that they didn't love each other, meaning there was a clear understanding on both their parts, that makes it hard to claim false intent on either side. Otherwise, that would have been a clear way for them to get an annulment. They could still try it, but really, no one was decieving anyone at that point about intent.
 

This is a little cynical, but I've heard that wealthy people manage to get annulments quite frequently, even if the marriage was consummated and there was no fraud or anything. I think it's possible if one is persuasive enough.

I assume Guzmi had only a civil marriage to Amber Luke. Speaking of whom, when is Amber Luke going to make an appearance? I am waiting for her and for both Adri's and Vicky's ex boyfriends.
 

Anon 3:22:

Also wouldn't there have to be witness for the contractual dispute? The Pavia's would have to step forward and Anyballs too. I know the tribunal questions them, but doesn't the Vatican have the last say so? I think they send all the info on don't they? And without witnesses to the transaction will they believe them? I am Catholic and always assumed that this was the way it was done that there had to be witnesses for everything. About the consummation, I don't know. If they aren't virgins going into the marriage isn't that a strike against them? Church law is so different from secular law.
 

Julia- Oh yeah, I am sure rich people can make anything happen, even an annulment, with no just cause, from the Catholic Church. Anibal would for sure call in some favors from some high places, and I don't mean Dios.

I am also ready for all the ex-es to arrive to shake things up! Although I could do without ever seeing Bea's ex again.
 

Julia:

Our comments crossed. I too think that there has been payola as far as annulments go with the wealthy ; )

Amber Luke and Guzmancito were married in Vegas. That's what the marriage certificate said, so I'm assuming it was just a civil marriage.

Vivi:

I too can't wait for the ex-es to show up too, all but the nameless one. I hope the nameless one winds up under a bus somewhere.
 

It was interesting when Renata and Jero (Cuando Me Enamoro) went through their annulment process because she initiated it based on fraudulent intent on his part. Even when they both tried to stop the process after they had reconciled, the bishop still wanted to have a series of discussions with them to decide if the marriage should be annulled anyway.

In the scene when they got married, the director/writers made a point of showing that moment before he said "I do" when Jero admitted to himself that he was marrying Renata because he really did love her, and not because of his hate-filled revenge plot. I think the writers choosing to have Nikki and Roy make their non-love confession to each other at the altar just before the "I dos" is a very similar device. It was meant to signal to the audience that they had both shut the door to the fraudulent intent option for annulment, and it's going to have to happen another way now (non-consummation).

 

gringo - thank you for clarifying your predictions. I've got so much invested in this telenovela (sipi, I drank the Kool-Aid!) that I am avoiding all spoilers. :-)

Carlos - good points about Bea being such a tragic figure. I hope she has a happy ending, but even in real life some people never get a break.

The nice thing about the Catholic church is that if one has enough money (and the Balvaneras do!), one can get anything they want. I remember as a kid, hearing about a (Catholic) couple at our church who got their 15-year marriage annulled in spite of having eight or ten kids.
 

Oops ... somehow sent that post along without meaning to quite yet.

So... re: annulment, if Nikki wants an annulment, she'll be able to get it.
 

Hey Y'all I wanted to thank every one again for all the great comments and discussion : )
 

Could Roy be so selfish as to demand sex from Nikki just because he feels like it? After all, he seemed to have plenty of it before and had absolutely no emotional connection to his partners. At his age (with hormones raging) and with his and Nikki's mental state right now, I hope they don't have 'drunken sex' with each fantasizing they are with their real loves - and consequences (like in 9 months) result from it. Just saying.

Soyyo
 

The marriage contract which the parties make is in front of God. The Church (priest)is just a witness. The Church maintains that there is a defect of contract if one or both of the parties, for example, do not intend to marry for life (e.g. Roy) or that there is some sort or lack of informed capacity (lack of 'capax'). The fact that both parties, for example, say they do not love each other or that one intends to divorce down the line, then this makes it an invalid marriage despite their mutual honesty. In effect both or one of the parties is saying that they do not intend to meet the conditions for a valid marriage which the Church claims God has set forth. (Witnesses have nothing to do with it.) Hence the formula, 'what God has joined, let no man put asunder.' I think most tribunals would rule this as a putative marriage and thus not a real one.