Monday, May 27, 2013
Qué Bonito Amor #31 (Mex 46-47.1) Monday 5/27/13
Da el precio del dolor,
a tú pasado
aquel, que de tus labios,
la miel quiera
Que pague con diamantes su pecado
Que pague con diamantes su pecado
Vende caro tú amor,
Dale precio del dolor,
a tú pasado
Ya que la infamia de tú ruin destino
Marchito tú admirable primavera
Haz menos escabroso tú camino
Vende caro tú amor, aventurera
Ya que la infamia de tú ruin destino
Marchito tú admirable primavera
Que pague con diamantes su pecado
How would Caray commenters and lurkers feel if we, the QBA recapping team, scale back the recaps for the daily episodes from full, in-depth recaps to highlights only? We have some fairly convincing evidence of a low participation rate evidenced by the low number of posts over the last few weeks. Is it temporary, due to sweeps, etc. or is it permanent? Anyone want to weigh in with suggestions?
I haven't been commenting nor have I been watching closely. The music is great and I love the costumes, but this TN is kind of a jolt for me after Amor Bravio.
Believe me, I am really beginning to understand that AB was a "one in a million" (at least for this newbie), but it's so hard to find an interest level in this one and in the other one (Corazon...).
I look forward each Monday to see what fan you will have posted. I just love those fans!
Speaking for myself, highlights in the form of bullet points would be just fine.
I know this is very hard work and all with each of you with real life commitments.
I vote for giving you guys a break and saving your collective talents for a future TN.
Thank you SO much!
The past 45 capitulos have all been a prelude to what is only now going to be played out. And there are probably only 50-60 capitulos remaining.
So I'm for more detailed recapping, and not just highlights.
The idea of Wendy having a baby with Bruno is probably just as repulsive to her parents as it is to us. We know Santos won't like this, either.
Mancia needs a shrink and something else to do with her time. I am really wondering why she didn't attempt to push that poor son of hers into a seminary.
I am glad that Santos' parents now know the truth, but it seems like a whole lot of people are now in danger because of this.
Vivi, I am thinking of what you and the others on the Refugio team went through during the endless weeks of double episodes. This is almost the same with few commercial breaks so there is almost no time to breathe. I was praying they would finish Cap. 47 when I saw there was no "lo del pasado" carried over, but no luck there.
I wish that Justo hadn't handled Giuliano the way he did. He would have been better off saying much less.
I hope Daniela grows up and ditches Vampira as a friend. She looks like she has the potential to be a human being even if she has do a bit of a Pygmalion on Genaro.
What it looks like to me is that the guys around Oscar are all going to mature before his eyes and he will have to grow up to keep up with them.
How about Fernando's scene with with Isabel?
Thanks for your always marvelous recap. I too have been trying to watch and keep up and reading the recaps for this one when I can. I completely agree with what Vivi said about these recaps. I was on the Refugio team too and it does take a lot out of a recapper. Hilites would be great unless there is something really important. We are feeling that on AV right now as the storyline seems mired in slow motion.
I am with you Urban about Justo showing his hand to the OJ too soon. Now OJ can come up with some defensive moves that may be a real threat to JAntos.
I agree with what you said about he whole mariachi team growing and Oscar watching. I thought the other night when Paloma was talking about Rod not being her chambleon (sp) that Oscar would step up.
I feel sad for Susanito. Will he ever recover? Who would have thought that Irasema is really racked with guilt and will we ever see her brothers?
This is volunteer work, but it is hard work. I KNOW I could not do it and I appreciate the time, energy, and work from our recappers.
In view of the above, they would not have been mentioned if we were not going to meet them eventually. I'm going to guess that Susanito is the same age as the younger one.
Madelaine, good point about Oscar and Rodrigo. There is no way Oscar would allow any son of his to be awkward around girls! That boy will have to learn to dance and make music.
I've been 1) disappointed in the production--the best parts shouldn't be the music or the costumes; 2) a bit disappointed, but not surprised, by the decrease in the number of comments posted; but 3) very concerned by the reduction of the number of blogger "hits" on each episode. This is a "Caray blog central" tally of how many people, including commenters visit each particular episode--but may not comment--these would be our lurkers, or just plain curious visitors. But in those numbers, it also includes commenters.
Last week we found that most of the discussion was among the recapping team! So, in part, that is what prompted us to bring it to your attention.
It could be a problem of 4 telenovelas nightly and QBA the last to broadcast. Given that, people may need to make choices and it looks as though QBA is not one of the choices.
As UA said, the story line advances in very tiny increments, this week is very much like last week. Given that, it's not surprising that folks are moving away for a faster paced tn at an earlier time.
What we do not know is how many readers really need a detailed recap in English. Most of the commenters I came across are either recappers on other tns or are pretty comfortable in Spanish and enjoy a place to discuss and "be together" as a community with like interests--Spanish language, culture, food, good stories, locations, food, music, art, good acting, food and language.
I see we have ONE Anonymous who would like us to continue with detailed recaps, but we don't know why.
I still think Univision is crunching episodes to get it over with more quickly. It's one thing to give us double episodes, as in Regugio; another thing to banish the entire show to daytime, as in El Talisman, but Uni has nowhere to go right now--and they just started a repeat of UFCS at midnight (thank you Madelaine).
So, what to do, what to do.
Meanwhile, UA, thank you for a very *detailed* and entertaining recap. I was so disgusted with drama queen Mancia's llorona over losing her baby boy to a *woman of ill repute* even though viewerville is snickering behind her back on how true that was. Come on Susanito, Man Up, we've all gone through some pretty disastrous break-ups and disillusionment with someone we thought we were in love with. You'll survive. But we know, you are sensitive. Why don't you apply yourself to getting Irasema out of the *profession* and stop feeling sorry for yourself.
Aha, says I. UA caught it, too. Fernando's reaction to Isa saying she asked for a papi and JAntos volunteered. But, did you also catch Amalia's reaction when Isa said the same thing? That was more than just bemused. Me thinks she KNOWS Isa's origins. Had to laugh, though, that this is the most exciting part of the whole novela for me--Who Are Isabel's Parents?
I don't care as much about Wendy's pregnancy, the baby's father or her parenting skills as I do about KendraHo's baby being stuck with Espanto and Nelson (oh, sorry, wrong tn).
I've rambled enough, for now.
Anita La Dama del Queso and it's beginning to turn green and stink.
For some reason, we don't get to see much of Arnold or any backstory. For some reason, I'm thinking he and OJ are more to blame for the money laundering than Bruno. In any case, Arnold may be expendable.
Whatever happened to the one week that Padrino gave OJ to find Santos?
Is Bruno going to get a trip to Mexico to find Santos? We will have to sit back and wonder and chew our nails to find out if and when he finds Santos, will he tell OJ or Justo where Santos is.
TeeHee I got a big kick out of JAntos pulling himself up as tall as he could and tell off Ruben that he can investigate Jorge Alfredo Vargas all he and the FBI want and they'll never find a thing on him.
As to Isabel's parents, I'm going with Fernando as her father. Maybe Irasema is her birth mother and her brothers despise her because she abandoned their baby niece?
Giuliano is the most likely one to go to Mexico because he hasn't been charged with anything yet. Once the authorities are aware that Bruno perjured himself he won't be allowed to leave the country. He probably feels the Godfather closing in on him as I type this.
Props to Danna Garcia, Jorge Salinas, and Pablo Montero for making decent sangria out of the cheap wine they get in their scenes.
There are many broad brushstrokes that could have been toned down, but otherwise I am enjoying the story.
I will probably take a break after this series because it's my 4th consecutive one and it will be a while before we get another series with Jorge or Pablo.
I knew that Sue would react badly and thought he would go after Santos which he did. I still think he will also make an ass out of himself in front of Ira who really did try to let him down easily without spilling her story.
I feel sorry for her she obviously was a poor girl with little education and a promise to take care of her siblings. Girl's got to use what she can and apparently the bros are doing ok even if they despise their sister. Maybe they appear again but who knows. I still remember her telling JAntos that no one ha ever treated her as kindly as Sue did after he brought her the flowers. I wonder if one of her clients will beat her up and Sue come to her rescue.
So Wendy not only whines she is dumb enough to get pregnant. Justo and Gracia must be thrilled - one of the guys who set up their son who is as Justo said a coward. Methinks Bruno is not long for this world.
I'm wondering if all the odd reactions to Isa wanting a papi is just a red herring. I don't think Fernando is her father but that his reaction is his fear that JAntos will go back to LA and forget the child, thereby hurting both her and Maria.
In other words, I would accept highlights, with recappers using their discretion to fast forward or add more details as a scene warrants it.
Of course, with more than a hundred episodes to go that isn't likely.
As for language, I rely on the recaps to explain some dialog from time to time, but usually nothing major. I can always ask for clarification in the comments if something is bothering me.
My TV tells me that these latest episodes have been about 53-6 minutes, without commercials. So that is still about 25% longer than the usual episode length of 41-45 minutes. I am wondering what is going on with this TN. It seems like maybe a younger crowd would like it since so much of the behavior is so juvenile, but they’ve got it on at 10pm, which seems to me to be an older audience time slot. And the fact that Jorge Salinas is far too old for the part wouldn’t appeal to the younger set, when he looks like he could be their dad (and Maria’s).
The powers that be definitely knew that they had to high speed it through the first few weeks because the story moved so slowly. They are still removing a lot of scenes (as per UA’s recaps), so they may have to edit out some subplots entirely. It seems like they know they have a dud, but couldn’t completely dump it where they normally would (daytime or as noted). Maybe the clout of the producer is keeping it where it is. He seems to wield a lot of power at Televisa, from what you all say. It all makes me wonder how long they’ll continue with the mega episodes, if they’ll keep it at this time slot, how much they’ll cut, and when it will actually wrap up.
The reason for this move was to combat possible defection to Telemundo who had a debut at the same time. They also started a few minutes early every night for the first two or three weeks. El Senor de los Cielos, however, looks more like it draws a more male audience and more non-Mexicans, since QBA looks like a Valentine to Mexican culture. Remember that when Telemundo was showing La Reina del Sur Univision started doing the 2-hour thing with their different novelas, finally moving into the 10PM time slot permanently with novelas.
It also has Jorge and Pablo, which should guarantee a lot of female viewers.
I think it wraps in Mexico very shortly at about 160 episodes. If Univision keeps showing it at the current editing style, it will wrap in mid-September. Otherwise it would end shortly before Thanksgiving.
I don't think they've cut much in terms of total scenes and so far the only important stuff I've seen cut are that Amalia should own 20% of JNTR and that the waitresses there know about Mancia's possessiveness of Susanito.
I’m thinking that JAntos is promising too much to Isa. It’s one thing to fall in love with an adult, Maria, even though you know you have to leave her and may be going to prison for years. It’s quite another to lead on a little girl in that situation. Amalia wanted to protect Maria from being hurt when he left, but if I were her, I’d be a lot more concerned about Isa. Although I do love the scenes JAntos and Isa have together. I think they have better chemistry than JAntos and Maria. I did NOT like it when he lied in front of her playmate about having a tablet at home. Teaching a kid to be materialistic and to pretend they are something they are not is NOT cool. It’s also too early to be promising her he can buy her stuff “someday”. Kids live in the moment. It would be far better to talk about when you can actually do it, not when it may be months away.
OTOH, I think he is handling the frustration of his position really well. I know that I would be going crazy thinking that I could solve all of these problems in ten seconds if I only could write a check.
If JAntos goes to LA, even if he is imprisoned, he could send Maria plenty of money. But I agree, with you, UA, that if he communicates with his parents, he could just stay where he is until he is cleared of the charges against him. Not going to happen, though. :) He’s going to hear about the bun in the oven from Dumb & Whiny Wendy as soon as he checks his email. (BTW, I thought she was emailing him from her phone, not texting. He wouldn’t have a way to receive a text, would he?) I hope the ‘rents tell Wendy about Bruno’s confession. She needs to know that things are not as simple as she would like. They probably won’t, though, out of concern for her ‘delicate condition’ or some other lame excuse. I agree completely that Bruno may not be long for this world. And good riddance.
The trio of bad cousins might all decide to flee to Mexico to escape the godfather. And I wonder who they'll bump into down there?
I hope Danna Garcia is drinking plenty of fluids to keep hydrated with all that crying.
UA, thanks for another great recap! Love the screen caps!
What is seriously different about this series is that Giuliano isn't in cahoots with Vampira. We don't have the kind of interesting interactions between the villains we had in AB or LQNPA, which should make the villains weaker here. This runs against cliche and we still can get another villain down the road.
I agree that Bruno's days are numbered and that will be at least partly due to Justo's mistake.
Shuffle, shuffle. I appreciate the recaps, but I can't claim that I will be engaging consistently with commentary.
I find the costumes, "local color," and music (exposure to a genre I know very little of) delightful, but have some difficulty with the characters and plot. (STILL having trouble with our hero's age and our heroine's gullibility toward anyone's attempts to separate her from her love.)
Anyway, I do enjoy the long format recaps with added insights, and I do hope that when (if) special stuff happens it will merit more than a bullet point, but you won't here me complain (or offer to take over and do it full chapter and verse myself) if the initial recaps are trimmed down. As others have noted, vocabulary questions and "why did do-and-so do that?" questions can be dealt with in the commentaries. I do definitely hope that the recappers will continue to include lyrics.
Chris In FL
I can believe Maria's naivete because it looks like she's not had a lot of experience with men. She is probably supposed to be about 24 years old, although nobody's age is ever mentioned in these series.
Mancia is simply in denial. I wish we knew what happened to Susanito's father.
BTW, Jorge Salinas is only 10 years older than Danna Garcia off-camera and only 9 years older than Mark Tacher.
Oh, no... a whiny bronze baby... Just what this show needed. Do they sell a onesie with an ascot?
I thought Irasema actually looked older and even more tired in the flashback scene.
Now there is a subject for a weekend discussion.
BTW that fan and the others like it came from a dollar store! If you have those in your area you can probably find them.
That said, can someone tell me how/when Paloma and Rod broke up?
Anyway, I will support your decision to bullet point, or highlight, the recaps as long as we still have a recap! you all are great!!
I was guessing that maybe Bruno might commit suicide, when I saw him crying against the door. But when OJ finds out he told the truth to AltaG, perhaps he'll be killed?
I liked the earlier comment that maybe Isa is the hija of Isarema... and I too think we'll meet the brothers since they were mentioned.
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