Friday, June 21, 2013
Weekend Discussion: What else do you watch? What do you get from it beyond entertainment?
Once upon a time we were speculating on some possible parallels between the British hit Downton Abbey and a past series. Since I am also a fan of the classic Masterpiece Theatre series and just ordered one as a gift for a friend, this seemed an appropriate topic.
Recently I opened a birthday gift received a few months ago from a that same friend and found parallels between our Que Bonito Amor and a British miniseries ironically slated for remake in the next two years: Poldark.
Ross Poldark and Santos have a lot in common in that they both come from childhoods of privilege and they find themselves suddenly with nothing and out of their element:
- Ross went into the American Revolution after killing someone in a duel; Santos fled to Mexico to avoid a false criminal charge; both end up dead broke.
- Ross is jilted by his fiancee and ends up with a miner's daughter; Santos is instantly charmed by a lady mariachi singer (2nd generation that we know of)
- Both have wealthy and dangerous rivals over something important: Ross has George Warleggan who wants to strip him of his estate and mining property, Santos has Ruben who will stop at nothing -- even murder -- to take Maria away from him and Giuliano who will destroy his and his family's reputation to protect his own arse
- Both men do menial work when there is no other option immediately available without complaint or even internal resentment
- Both men learn what is really important in life.
Whoever thought that there would be this much in common between a Mexican novela full of culturally-specific music and colorful festivals and a British miniseries filled with issues of class struggle, proper speech, and powdered wigs?
What else grabs your undivided attention?
UA, you are so clever to find the precise parallels between QBA & Poldark--I probably would never have--each being in a different niche in my mind and different centuries.
On English-speaking tv, I guiltily follow Mad Men, enjoy The Good Wife every episode and was really into Once Upon a Time the first season. Now there's just too much magic to suit me.
>>Mad Men, just because Jon Hamm is pure eye candy--even if he's rotten s.o.b. and doesn't smile much. But I also wanted to see if they "got" the time settings and fashions right. They do. It's pure entertainment.
>>The Good Wife, just because of Juliana Margolies, Archie Panjabi and Christine Baranski. Three Hip, Hip Hooray for the women. But having spend almost half my working career around attorneys, I enjoy them and the stories. It's pure entertainment.
>>Doc Martin, just because it's in sunny England! I've seen most of the episodes twice and sometimes three times, but there's always something new to notice. Besides, I love listening to some good British accents. I also follow all the Masterpiece Theatre and loved Ballykissangel, until the tragedy; also loved Monarch of the Glen, until Katrina left him for not a very good reason. All for pure entertainment.
>>An occasional PBS rebroadcast of a Met opera--if I haven't seen it in awhile. Mi chulo Juan Diego Florez in La Sonnambula, Barber of Seville or Le Comte Ory I could watch dozens of times. It's good music, and pure entertainment.
Beyond entertainment? Well, there's my garden and cooking (and no, I don't follow cooking shows, but I do have a weakness for new recipes which moulder in my clipping file).
Blue Lass
The Amazing Race I love for the stunning scenery all over the world and the odd bits of culture they highlight. Plus, most seasons there are people to cheer for and villains to hate. I also get inspired to put different places on my list of where I want to go!
Dancing is just beautiful and interesting to watch, to me. It inspires me to try dancing more. This never lasts very long, but it's good while it lasts.
Other than that, I love Parks and Recreation. Mostly for the comedy, but also sometimes it's just nice to see Leslie's relentless enthusiasm and to have some minor troubles that get resolved in a half hour instead of dragging out forever.
The original 1967 version of The Forsyte Saga is also a favorite of mine. That started the "crowns and gowns" production line for the BBC and I love the first dozen years of the series. I have the coffee table book about its first decade autographed by the author, Alistair Cooke himself.
My other all-time favorite series they ever did was I, Claudius, which defies attempts at remaking it. I love how David Chase decided to name Tony Soprano's mother for the iconic and deliciously evil Livia.
I admit to being quite the British mini-series addict. Have been since 1967, like UA, when the original Forsyte Saga was brought over and shown in the US on PBS (NET then). I swear I've seen everyone that found their way to the US whether it was PBS, A&E and Bravo back in the day when they did that, etc.( and have quite of few on DVD's and old VCR tapes) Still watch Masterpiece and Mystery on TV and get my mini-series fix catching those we don't geton TV thru my Kindle with Hulu or Amazon now.I can't even begin to list all my favorite performances and series. Yeah--addict.
I am also an unabashed Dr. Who fan and have seen all the episodes to the current season. Love GOOD sci-fi such as the second Battlestar Galactica and the Stargate series, so I guess that makes me a bit of a geek.
Watch Mad Men and when it's on, White Collar. Not much on the rest of network shows. Being a history major in college, any good documentary along those lines will grab my attention.
Think I may now be tempted to indulge in a marathon this weekend of something in my queues--I have Lillie, Middlemarch, Reckless, and some of the Sharpe episodes---you have inspired me to enjoy one (or maybe all) of those!!
Thanks. Now not so bummed it's going to rain all weekend.
Lately I've been watching in addition to AV, PEAM, and CI... Borgias, Breaking Bad, Mr. Selfridge, Inspector Lewis, Inspector Banks, and I'm almost embarrassed to admit,Grimm.
Carlos
I, Claudius was shown here around the time National Lampoon's Animal House was released. People of all ages were throwing toga parties!
Yes, Carlos, Grimm; Haven, Walking Dead, Sister Wives,The Killing, Falling Skies, Longmire, The Dead Files, The Voice, Bates Motel, Revenge, Game of Thrones, the Bachelor(ette), the new Dallas, Say Yes to the Dress, River Monsters, The Haunted Collector, Seinfeld whenever it appears and others that I don't remember right now. Thank goodness for On Demand and much shorter seasons for many of those on cable channels. Network TV could learn a thing or two about season length from the cable channels.
Besides, entertainment, I feel I learn a lot if nothing else about human nature from what I watch. I also feel pure entertainment is a worthy goal in itself.
Julia, I used to watch the Amazing Race until I couldn't deal with its constant delay after football on Sundays in the fall. Then it isn't on my On Demand.
Urban Anthropologist, I, too, loved I Claudius and have it here on videotape. I haven't watched it in about 15 years so it is probably time again. I hope the tapes are still intact.
Jarifa
Blue Lass
If we talk about British TV, I used to be obsessed with Downton Abbey, but last season has been so disappointing, I'm not sure I'm going back. Pride & Prejudice and North& South remain my two favorite British mini-series.
As for American TV, I watch almost EVERYTHING! Well, maybe there are some exceptions, but at one time or another I do believe I tried to watch every new series that came out... It helps me with my English and it's so entertaining!
A few favorites: Revenge, Scandal, White Collar (Matt Bomer is the bomb!), The Good Wife, Castle, Bones, The Walking Dead ...just of the top of my head.
Jarifa--I watched The Killing last year, absolutely engrossed in the innovative time line presentation (yeah, I know, mimicking 24), but the ending disappointed me--sort of a let down after all the build-up. I'm watching again this year and like it better, although it's beginning to look like a conventional CSI (and I'll watch David Caruso in CSI: Miami whenever I can find an episode if I need a DC fix).
Count me in as an I Claudius fan. I've been a devotee of Robert Graves since high school and have an almost complete collection of all his books in hardback on my shelves.
My listings would have gotten too long if I had started naming what else have you *Ever* watched, but I'll join in the fun--geesh we have all weekend to stimulate our brain cells.
I adored The West Wing and its parallel universe of leaders brilliant and true.
What else right now? Mad Men, Inspector Lewis ...
As for an 007 with Spanish accent, I see Lisardo (currently Yawn/Paul in AV) lisp and all.
Carlos
On English speaking tv, I'm watching Dr. Who, Orphan Black, and Luther (can't wait for the next season) on BBC America.
Anything Masterpiece-- Mystery and Classics (formerly Theater)-- on PBS.
On HBO On Demand, Game of Thrones (no character is safe!).
I have been a fan of Mad Men, but this is the only season I haven't watched so far. I plan to watch it On Demand this summer.
On network tv, I watch Once Upon a Time, but this last season didn't capture my attention as much as past seasons, and New Girl (the only comedy I'm watching).
I watched Poldark on Netflix last year, I think after someone here mentioned it. I use Netflix to rewatch some of my fave Masterpiece Theater classics.
Daisynjay- I was huge BSG fan too. So sad when that ended a few years ago. Check out Orphan Black on BBC. I think you'd like it.
Sharpe was another character who was lower-class raised through the ranks to become an officer and mingle with aristocrats.
Mad Men is the only network drama I watch. Everything else is TNs or a few reality shows.
Though very occasionally I'll watch a movie. I like the classics and foreign films (especially British films). Also I like science fiction.
Some favorite films are "Stalag 17," "The Best Years of Our Lives," "Laura," "Ben Hur," "The Big Country," "The Unforgiven" (w/ Burt Lancaster).
Anyone seen the BBC miniseries (2004) called "North & South"? (It has the guy who plays Thorin from "The Hobbit" in it.) I felt it has some parallels to LQNPA. A hero that seems like a douche and is hated by the heroine at the first.
I have heard of Poldark but never seen it! I am really curious about it now! Thank you for your analysis and comparison between Poldark and QBA, that is very interesting.
I also sometimes watch Dancing With the Stars, mostly just for Tristan, and I love Project Runway.
My all-time favorite show was Veronica Mars. Humor, mystery, satisfying smack-downs, romance, all in one. Veronica had a razor-sharp wit. Anyone who gets frustrated with the stupid misogyny we often see in telenovelas would probably really enjoy it.
At the moment besides the CI and sometimes QBA & AV I was watching Body of Proof & Oonce upon a time until they gone to break.
I also like Rizzoli and Isles and Leverage they are on break at the moment also I'm hoping for further episodes.
I watched a couple episodes of Spartacus and Game of thrones but both are too bloody and gruesome for my tastes although both have some very serious eye candy in them.
My ever favourite BBC miniseries is Pride and Prejudice with Colin Firth.
Never saw the DowntowyAbbey although I was told it is good.
Add me to the I, Claudius gang of followers. The theme music was perfect. Livia...yikes...what a woman.
I love:
Waking the Dead. Love the actor Trevor Eve. I'd love to take him home!
Midsomer Murders
Dr. Who (Tom Baker is my fave, but the Scottish dude in the more recent series was great as was Christopher Eccleston
The Vicar of Dibley (I can see it over and over and over again!)
Are You Being Served
Last of the Summer Wine. I STILL cry when I see the episode where Compo died. I thought it was one of the most touching scenes ever as the actor who played Compo in real life had died of lung cancer. I also love Peter Sallis in that series.
Larkspur To Candelford. The actor who played the father in this series is the actor who played Mr. Bates in Downton Abbey.
Keeping Up Appearances. What would I do without a dose of Hyacinth?
As Time Goes By...Judy Dench...what an actress!
I list all of these because I still see them over and over.
Currently watching Inspector Lewis (and was SO sad when the actor who played Inspector Morse died of esophageal cancer...John Thaw was it?)
I missed Mr. Selfridge, but loved, loved "Call the Midwife". What a good show that was. It just finished its second season.
I have a wacko work schedule and don't get to see too many of the current shows like Mad Men, but I will make time for my Brit shows.
I have a channel that does a lot of retro stuff and I LOVE Hawaii Five-oh. It was so good. I can't believe that McGarret drove this fancy Lincoln Continental as his work car!!
I'll have to check out Poldark. UA got me started on the Dark Shadows series. It's kind of hokey, but I'm liking it!
Fatima
PARA VOLVER A AMAR (one of the most enjoyable TN Televisa has probably ever produced and the one that makes the rest look like stinky garbage), PARODIANDO, GRIMM, THE FOLLOWING, REVOLUTION, ARROW, THE BIG BANG THEORY, ANGER MANAGEMENT, reruns (I never get tired of) of THE SIMPSONS, OLD CHRISTINE, FAMILIA P. LUCHE, etc.
I loved THE NEIGHBORS but somehow got cancelled.
Between losing track of some and forgetting others, this is what I would tie a red ribbon on my finger so I don't miss them.
Weird, uh?
Now, about Superman...
If you want to remake that one isn't it time we had a Hispanic one? The space capsule crashes in a California vineyard and is found by a migrant worker couple (Ana Martin and Fernando Robles) and the baby grows into Gabriel Soto or Sebastian Rulli?
I think we need to do the movie and TV games again.
Nothing against 70/30 here but Fernando looks waaaay too young to be paired with Ms Martin (who deserves someone her age or older).
I was kinda thinking the same when I saw that guy from CI (the dark skinned who works at the casino, you know, he could make a good mexican Superman).
I will pay more attention to the guy in CI because of your comment. But Sebastian Rulli and Gabriel Soto definitely have the bod now required.
It really doesn't matter, Aracely Arámbula has kids her own age in LA PATRONA, right?
Inclán (or Fernando Colunga, LOL) would look a lot better for Ms Martin, I tell you that...
Check it out but please, just because of the body, don't even think of saying the words Eduardo Yáñez!
Supermán can not be someone over 50!
And as you pointed out to those who want to see, I know Poldark is available for instant viewing if you have a Netflix account. It's worth the watch.
With all this inspiration, curled up and watched a few episodes of Middlemarch last night. Rufus Sewell is always a pleasure to "watch".
Daisynjay
What a great topic for a weekend. I too watch a lot of PBS:
Larkrise to Candleford
Onedin Line
Sharpe's Rifles
Masterpiece Mystery and Classic
Antique's Road Show
After You're Gone
I also watch off beat mysteries like Monk and Psych and Castle.
I try and make time for movies, I usually try to catch the silent films on TCM at midnight on Sunday/Mondays and also my two favorites Rebecca and Laura. I also love Mrs. Miniver and the Miniver Story, they always make me cry.
Jarifa
Madeline, another "Larkrise to Candelford", fan! I really enjoyed that series so much.
UA, I think you have a GREAT idea about a Hispanic Superman. I agree with Pablo, no Edward Yanez for Superman. I don't know what it is,but (and I know it's a dumb thing), his hair just bugs me. What I've seen of him on AV (and that isn't a whole heck of a lot),makes me think that they've given him the worst haircut ever.
Agree with UA that Sebastian Rulli would fit the bill just fine. Colunga just seems too "pretty" to me.
Fatima
And North and South is one of my favorite stories (both the book and the mini-series).
Is anyone watching "The Paradise"? It's an adaptation of Emile Zola's "Au Bonheur des Dames", second season should start some time this year. I see many of you like a good period drama, so you might enjoy this one, too.
OK, that settles it.
Announcement
Next weekend we will have a new round of the Televisa Remake Game Movie Edition. I will start it off as I have done before. Here is the previous Classic Movie edition for reference so we don't repeat film titles. Think about a favorite movie of yours for this subject.
I love the many British costume dramas, including Downton, Mr. Selfridge, several of the Masterpiece mystery stars, etc. Never watched Poldark but will some day.
I think I know every episode of Keeping up Apperances by heart. I am disappointed in Mad Men this year, but looking forward to see how the many threads come together as the series winds down.
My sons convinced me that I needed to watch The
Sopranos and The Wire. Making my way through both one disc at a time and want to mention this today in light of James Gandolfini's recent death. Both excellent. Luther features one of the Wire stars -- it's on my list.
My all time favorite serial was The Tudors. Two Netflix series that I recently watched and loved were House of Cards (with Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright) and Top of the Lake (with Elizabeth Moss from Mad Men)..
So much quality TV out there that I have to remind myself that fiction can be pretty great, too.
Thanks to all for great comments.
Haven, Walking Dead--and Game of Thrones because I really love sci-fi fantasy tinged with the historical and visa-versa; historical novelas, some British comedy like "Are You Being Served?" and as many Masterpiece Theatre mini-series period pieces and romances as I can find on Netflix. HBO's Boardwalk grabbed me from the very first as well as Downton Abbey (yep allllll caught up now!) I really enjoy independent and foreign films, particularly British, Spanish and Scandinavian because they proceed similarly in pacing to American film much of the time, surprisingly.
I think I know every Hyacinth episode by heart, too. Poor Richard, isn't he such a dear?
Jardinera, I really apologize for not having asked you long before this, but was your old homestead OK after the tornado in the Midwest? Is your daughter OK? Tornadoes really scare me. Like you, I like other foreign series. Some of the mystery ones from Sweden are pretty graphic in terms of the violence, but I love, love the German detective mysteries.
UA, like your topic for next weekend. Will review your list.
Isn't it interesting how so many of us watch so many Brit and other foreign shows. I tell ya, what a super nice group this is. I am still amazed that we can all be so civil and polite when most other sites go down the tubes in no time.
Thank you all for a truly great group of people.
Fatima
Anita, another Doc Martin follower! He just cracks me up, too bad that pauline isn't there anymore. She was hilarious. Do you know that they're making a season 6?
A lot of the shows that I watch have already been named (like the Good wife!) but one I haven't seen on here is survivor. I'm such a survivor junkie, just love to see all the intrigue.
jlk
Nice to see your comments and those of so many of the Amor Bravio buddies.
I've been watching a Colombian novela that just ended on UniMas and a Spanish one that may never end! Looking forward to getting back to one that has a Caray, Caray blog. I sure miss the gang.
Hope all is well with you.
TL
Keith Michel was the best Henry ever. Someone uploaded that series on Youtube; Here is the opening.
Yes, saw both and liked both, especially Elizabeth R. Just read Hilary Mantel's two fictional books on the period, Wolf Hall and Bringing up the Bodies. Really well done. (She's the guest on Leonard Lopate tomorrow, so I'll be tuning in.)
I don't know much about the period, explaining why visual splendor of the Tudors was enough for me. But have enjoyed reading and watching fictional accounts. I should take some time to really learn the history.
I’m surprised no one mentioned these British productions:
Red Dwarf (absolutely one of my favorites—although the later seasons got stranger and stranger)
Fawlty Towers, To the Manor Born and another favorite—Yes, Minister (and the follow-up Yes, Prime Minister
Jane Eyre (with Timothy Dalton is excellent)
Body and Soul (with Kristin Scott-Thomas, 1997)
Daisynj, if you haven’t seen Reckless before (with Robson Green, Francesca Annis and my all time favorite Michael Kitchen, 1997) you are in for a treat. I’m sure you will enjoy it. Even when there are some fisticuffs, it’s funny.
AdNoel--I also loved North & South, but there wasn’t enough South in it for me (I have to have a Jane Austen party just for me and do a marathon rewatching of all the tv productions just to get my English country living fix, but Pride & Prejudice with Colin Firth is the best).
Jlk—I watched Survivor the first season with absolutely rapt attention, but then it got to be too repetitive and formulaic, so I dropped it.
Did anyone else invest any time in these:
The Charmings (very clever Snow White & Prince-wake-up-in-20th-C., 1987)
Flying Blind (Tea Leonie, 1992)
Sports Night (Josh Charles, Peter Kraus and a stellar cast, 1998)
Now and Again (w/to die for cutie Eric Close who went on to bigger & better, 1999)
The Education of Max Bickford (w/Richard Dreyfuss, 2001)
Mister Sterling (with Josh Brolin, 2003)
Out of Practice (Henry Winkler as a doctor, 2005)
Six Degrees (Jay Hernandez & NYC were the main attractions, 2006; I see he's in Nashville now)
Outlaw (w/Jimmy Smits as an ex-Supreme Court Justice, 2010)
Off the Map (medical, sort of, set in Amazon jungle multi-national cast, 2011)
I have to admit to a certain fondness for the Muppet Show and Rocky & Bullwinkle.
In 2009, I “immigrated” to Spanish Telenovelas and lost interest in most English-speaking tv series.
Do you know the 1939 movie? How about the 1981 BBC series?
Colin Firth is my actor God, when he turned big in Hollywood I was so proud of him, the same with Robert Downey Jr.
I'd like to see North & South turned into a movie, but who would be good enough to play Mr. Thornton?
Jarifa
Another BBC series I enjoyed was House of Cards; also Mapp & Lucia.
Elvira--If you loved The Best Years of our Lives (as I did), check out 'Til the End of Time with Dorothy McGuire, Guy Madison and Robert Mitchum. They play Frederic Chopin's Polonaise Op. 53 alot and it became a song for the title of the movie.
Lastly, I liked the British version of State of Play much better than the American movie.
I stopped watching when the cute grandson got shot in some police undercover action. If only I had known it was all a ruse. Well, I have my telenovelas to keep me occupied now.
Also liked "The Rise and Fall of Reginald Perrin". Strange, but good.
Traveling Lady, could you give me the name of the forever running Spanish novela that you are watching? I'd love to see it.
TL, I'm doing fine. None of the current novelas have really captured my interest, but I tune in daily to the recaps for QBA. I have to see the weekly fan that UA will post and I think the recaps are just great as they are from most of the AB Crew of Fantastic Recappers! So good to "see" you!
Fatima
"Yes, master".
It was so touching in a more recent Dr. Who when the Doctor went back to see one of his fellow female travelers (boy, how can I even blank on her name?!). Anyway, the Doctor had given K-9 to her, but he had had technical malfunctions and was not doing well. The Doctor patched him up and I nearly cried when K-9 said "Yes, mistress". The gal was in love with the Doctor, but she had the wonderful K-9 for the rest of her life.
Ok....now I remember the female traveler...it was Sara. :)
Fatima
I don't remember who mentioned which of these, but i LOVE Orphan Black, North & South (watched it over and over again), Downton Abbey, Dr. Who (until David Tennant left), Being Human (UK version), Game of Thrones, and my all-time favorite series ever, the reimagined Battlestar Galactica! I, too, was so devastated when it ended. I also really liked Caprica, the prequel.
There's a fantastic BBC miniseries called Wives and Daughters, which I've also watched countless times, and was based on a book written by the same author that wrote North & South.
I've been obsessed for a couple years with the series MI-5... there are about 10 seasons now, fabulous intriguing stories, breakneck pace, brilliantly written. All the seasons are on Netflix.
For comedies... Veep and Family Tree on HBO are hilarious!!
And I've been following "The Voice" since it first started... it's the only talent competition that I can tolerate.
Fatima
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