Caray, Caray!

Adriana- I loved the recap and your wry observations.

I was glad Rick went right over to smooth things over with Oriana in person. He should have told her the evening before about asking Lucina and Raquel about the gun, but he only had one thing on his mind that night...

The Padre is falling for Oriana! Yipes! This certainly complicated things. You are right that Rick has excellent intuition. He seemed to pick up on it. I guess he and Mariano have been friends long enough.

As for Raquel...I haven't seen enough of the episodes to judge. But she certainly seems to be compensating for something!
 

7. She's mad at losing Ric to Oriana and sleeping with every man she can get to to validate her sexiness. This means Berto is gay since she didn't latch on to him?

Mariano will get over Oriana.
 

Tks Adriana Noel
Guess I fell asleep, missed Padre Plaid's feelings for 2nes.

I think Oriana was wearing the rings so we could have that dramatic scene of her removing them.

Did I hear correctly, that Paloma told Madhilde that the perro even rated higher than she did? Is the poison apple due?

TG they didn't have the candles & rose petals, hate that, I always wonder who is going to clean that mess up? It would spoil things for me. Seems the moving partition is the thing for obscuring love making. They used it with Raq & Seb also.

Run Cesar run. Hope Raq carries a big supply of preservativos. Probably all 6 for Raq, but I go mainly for 2,5 & 6.
 

Variopinta- I don't think Paloma said something that mean to Matilde (that the dog was more important). But she did make it clear that her nieta and bis-nieta come first, above all else. Is this any different than Matilde's attitude about her own kids? She would be just as protective of her direct kin-- even more so. Paloma clearly loves Matilde's kids, and I really don't think she would ever kick them out or leave them unprotected. I think if she could just get rid of Matilde, and maybe Ruben too, she'd happily keep the two kids with her.
 

Adriana Noel:

Thank you so much for this delightful, insightful recap!

Raqui is really working her way through the males in this family! Who is next Rueben???? Now that would be something.

I thought Lucina was smart but she keeps calling 2Nes by her real name. I hope she never does it around MadHild.

So Peiro did get good info out of Berto, especially being good with guns.

I like Lucina and Reuben the two are a hoot!

I vote number 4 for Raqui. I want to know more about her backstory.

Thanks again Adriana Noel.
 

Adriana thanks so much for the recap. I too loved your observations (the ring, people keep saying Oriana, etc). Regarding Raquel, ITA w/Vivi she seems to be compensating for something. Nevertheless, I'm concerned for a character, male or female, that seems to have such a lack of discretion for her/his sleeping partners.

I just love Paloma! I really enjoyed how she encouraged Fabiola to take a stand against her mother ruining her life. And again agree w/Vivi that if she could get rid of the parents and keep Cesar and Fabs, she would be set.
 

Thanks Adriana Noel! Great recap, and we even get a survey thrown in for free. I'll choose #6.

I'm pretty sure I saw Lucina give Raquel the stinkeye when Raqui smooched up Ruben.

I thought Paloma was a little harsh with Mathilde when she said she'd throw the whole family out. Then again, even hitting Mathilde over the head with a verbal frying pan doesn't seem to get the message through. So I Paloma really wouldn't toss the kids out. She likes kids.
 

Ahem...So I THINK Paloma wouldn't toss the kids out.
 

I agree with Variopinta, because Tia Paloma said that too, Tito is more important, than Maddie.

Paloma said: ...que ella, Lina y hasta el perro estan por encima de ti...

I searched back....
 

Thanks for going back to the scene Alejo. Damn, that's cold. But Matilde sort of deserves it. I'd choose the dog over her too. :) But I still think Paloma wouldn't abandon Matilde's kids.
 

Great stuff, Adriana.

Of course, we can expect Madhilde to escalate her offensive against Oriana and her family. None of this is going to get any better when her husband shows up.

It's been a while since we've had a priest in love. I like it, even if it makes things messier for Oriana and everyone else.
 

I think Raquel's problem is that she wants us to play a drinking game and *salud* every time she gets it on. And she wants us all tipsy.
 

Variopinta, Lucina should really consider opening a drug store in her hotel boutique - because if not, at the rate Raquel is going, it's either that or a drug store.

Karen, villains usually have a huge libido, but Raquel is going over board. She's horny all the time and it's only been 16 episodes. I don't think this is so much about Ricardo as it is about some unknown issues that she has. Maybe we'll find out something more about her past soon enough.

Carolina, I'm all for the drinking game you suggested - and I bet it will be followed by another favorite of ours: the Who's the Daddy Roulette. And since every male in the cast seems to be invited to participate(and I do mean every male), all we can do is kick back and wait. Bottoms up!
 

Correction:
Variopinta, my message to you made no sense, I meant to say that
Lucina should really consider opening a drug store in her hotel boutique - because if not, at the rate Raquel is going, it's either that or a DAYCARE CENTER
 

Thanks for the great recap Adriana!

One thing that stuck out that I think was mentioned more than once yesterday was the need for Oriana to get a car. Maybe I'm reading too much into it....

-Nik
 

Nik- I wouldn't be surprised if the car thing becomes significant. At the very least, it will mean that Orinez will have the freedom to go where she wants, and meet with whomever she wants, without prying eyes.
 

Adriana- You are so right. If Raquel ends up pregnant, the whole male cast could be daddy candidates. Would that be a tn first?
 

Thank you for the great recap Adriana!

Poor Padre Mariano. A friend of mine studied to become a priest but fell in love during the year he was allowed to be out of the seminary before the last year when he would be ordained. All those years went to waste but he is still happily in love. Poor Mariano's love won't return his feelings, so his story is more tragic.

I don't know why Raquel is going through the male cast so quickly but César is the best of Raquel's conquest for me. Nice and good looking, her only poor choice was Sebastián. I don't think she's actually attracted to Rubén.

I don't know if Univision cut the sex scene but I thought it was tame. Maybe just a little long but it consisted mostly on kissing.

I saw Lo Que la Vida Me Robó yesterday. I had no idea La Tempestad was already over but they showed the usual countdown before the start of a new prime time novela during the day. I liked Rulli so I guess I will be watching although I'm still hoping that they won't include a scene from Amor Real that ruined that novela and Colunga for me. It would be even worse in today's context.

Jarocha


 

Jarocha- I've only seen bits of Amor Real, and I even wonder how that aspect of the relationship between the hero and heroine will be handled in a modern day retelling, and I'm not talking about the fact that her family basically sells her to him to save themselves financially. They'd have to drop it, right? How would the audience ever be able to accept it and like the galan?
 

Didn't see the priest's confession coming at all. Wowzer! Is she another Maricruz where all the men who meet her instantly fall in love with her?

Thanks Adriana, and I love your quiz at the end. I'm with Sylvia, I pick 6. Can we call Raquel Slutquel now?

The dilemma of Oriana getting a car is the fingerprint issue brought up earlier. But since she did actually drive a car, I don't know how she will be able to avoid getting a driver's license now. Maybe Ricardo can pull a few strings.
 

Cathyx- Thanks for telling us about the driving issue with the license. That's in the episodes I still haven't watched.

Heck, even being my real self, six years back when I was getting my license in MD, they red flagged me and I had to prove I wasn't a woman in NY who had the same name, same bday, and many unpaid parking tickets. I had to write to the NY DMV and have them send a letter to further clarify who the other woman was (she's three inches taller than me and we have different SS#s, otherwise, we are very similar in description), and only then would MD let me get a license. I can see how Oriana's false identity would pose a problem.

 

Also, Cesar wasn't writing something, it looked like he was drawing a picture. Maybe he became an accountant but would prefer to be an artist but was talked out of it. Anyway, I could see him drawing a nude Slutquel.
 

Slutquel, hee hee.

I once hired a temp who was a priest who had fallen in love and was taking a break to "figure it all out". He was a heck of a nice guy and the best clerk ever. He eventually married his true love. Whenever I see the priest-in-love plot I think about Charles and hope that everything worked out for him.
 

Vivi: Today there are still some marriages out of convenience so I wouldn't think something like that would be too out of the question. As I remember it, Adela Noriega's character accepted to marry because she was told damning lies about her first love and she decided to sacrifice herself for her family out of deception. That part is still believable in this era. Although the character's choice will, of course, be judged more harshly in today's context. It would be seen quite childish as she has grown in a time where women have the choice to work and it is usual for them to have several boyfriends until they find "the one".

My biggest problem in Amor Real was the reaction of Manuel (Colunga's character) and how he could be so cruel to her. It goes beyond Jerónimo's behavior in CME. There's actual marital rape and violence there. And she falls in love with him anyway! Even though her first love comes back and he is the most honorable man ever. His behavior was excused by the era, today he could be sent to jail.

Jarocha
 

Sylvia:

That's such a nice story. I wonder why there's not a telenovela trope of the priest falling in love. There's such a source of angst there and they are more interesting than the usual preaching ones. I've only seen a novela where the main galán was a priest, it was called Tentaciones, it was good but it had a sad ending :(.

Jarocha
 

Jarocha- Yep. I knew it was the rape you were speaking about. And the marrying to save her family fortune will be judged differently for exactly the reasons you mention. I know I will need a lot of context to understand why a (formerly) wealthy modern young woman, who has been well educated, decides to marry for money, instead of working to help herself and her family. Already that protagonist has a lot to prove to me.

And a hero who rapes the heroine, I don't care how frustrated and angry he is and that she's his wife, doesn't seem redeemable. How can they make this work in 2013?
 

I watched the first episode of Lo que la vida me robo, too, I was curious to see how they try to adapt it.
Without giving away any spoilers, from what I saw so far I think they can pull off the marrying for money part but the abusive galan is a different story. It depends how much the writers decided to stick with the original - considering the fact they completely changed the era of the story, I sure hope they change the galan's behavior a bit, too.

Jarocho, there have been a few tns where a priest falls in love, but most of the times I've seen it as a secondary story.
Cachito de Cielo was an exception, but from what I read about it's bad critiques, apparently the Mexican audience wasn't ready to see a priest fall in love - even if he wasn't actually a priest (of course, the fail might have had something to do with the lack of chemistry between the leads).
 

My favorite TN is Amor Real.
On the wedding day Manuel (FC) caught Matilde with the one she thought she loved, nuzzling, he was pissed. He forced her, I'm not calling it rape, because she later said what a kind & gentle lover he was, sigh, suspiros. Kind of like Scarlet & Rhett.
As time went on, she thought her feelings were just carnal but then realized she loved him. A real bodice ripper. And the honorable 1st love,Adolfo, had thwarted rape intentions after Matilde fell in love with Manuel.
How do they explain the war, Mex gaining their independence, what do they replace that with? Maybe drug wars???

I do have a problem with turning this into present day, head scratching. Guess it would be even harder for Alborada.

I highly recommend AR if you like historical novelas. FC is smoking hot!!!!!
 

I had a friend whose hija was nun & fell in love with a priest. Last I heard they were still happily married.

Pls don't let Raq get her claws into Padre Plaid!!!.
 

I haven't seen Amor Real in a while, but I remember that Manuel was a very complex and troubled character. He had issues but was trying to work them out. On the positive side, he liked to bathe a lot.
 

Variopinta, I didn't even think about Raquel and Padre Plaid!
OMG, I think I'm already shipping them :))
 

2 of the best love scenes ever are in AR & both take place in el baño. One with Matilde & another with Antonia (Chantal Andere) who really wants to jump FC's bones. And does.

Don't forget, Manuel, being the macho man, thought he was being played for a fool,which he was. That's is the crux of the matter. But true love triumphed, Amor Real

Another cute scene, Manuel & Matilde are having a picnic in a field of flowers. Manuel wants to make love but Matilde is afraid someone will see them. Manuel says who, the mariposas?

The only fault I found with it was Matilde's (Adela Noriega) Victoria Ruffo proportion crying. Otherwise, perfecto.
Telenovelaworld has a VERY thorough recap in Spanish. I first saw it on DVD & they cut out so much, but I knew it was worth watching. They repeated it, daytime, & I think I missed only one episode.

 

Adriana: I forgot about Cachito de Cielo was a flop because people didn't like the priest story, mainly because the lead was not a priest but a guy who came back to life in the body of a priest. Some executives claimed that but I think the problem was that people simply didn't like the novela and that Pedro Fernandez/Maité Perroni pairing was weird.

Variopinta:

I guess it's a matter of perspective. But, I saw Manuel forcing Alfonsina while she cries and begs him not to continue then they cut to her crying on the bed while he dresses. She never says "yes" and even if she later claims he was tender and she liked it that didn't wash away the aversion I felt while watching.

The novela was very well done, with great actors and the overall story is quite good. It was very popular everywhere and I understand why it has so many fans. I just couldn't deal with hating the male lead. Complex or not.

About the war: AR was set during the Reforma war, fourty years after the independence war. I guess they could use the drug war in LQLVMR but I don't see how Rulli's character could fit in that part of the story.

Jarocha
 

Variopinta, I watched Amor Real some many years ago, but I do remember the love scene in the field, during their picnic - I remember I had the same reaction Matilde did - making love outside, in broad daylight? No puede ser... how audacious! I was a teenager, I must add.
I remember loving Manuel, Matilde not so much, but that's because of the ugly crying (good point that you make) and my all around dislike for Adela Noriega - I don't understand why she was considered so great - she was too skinny, her face was too pale and no matter the tn role she had, she always played the virginal heroine (Fuego en la sangre comes to mind, all those long dresses she always wore drove me insane - nothing appealing about them).

Going back to Mentir, I didn't find the love scene between the protas all that hot - more nudity than I usually see on Televisa, but I wasn't emotionally invested in their union.
Actually, if there is one think I can reproach this tn is that for me, at least, it lacks the sizzle factor. It has to do with the characters' chemistry, but it's not only that.
Ricardo and Oriana are ok together, I think they make a believable couple, but I'm not on the edge of my seat, counting the minutes to see them together again, like I was, for example, with Camila and Daniel in AB.
Maybe this is because so far they've been rather quiet in their relationship, no major drama, no big fight or break up - the conflict was there, but they managed to talk about things, communicate their feelings... kind of boring, if I think about it.
Oh, how I miss Amor Bravio (sigh...)



 

Sorry, I meant to say that I forgot about Cachito de Cielo but that I don't believe it was a flop for the priest story. Because the main character was not a priest, but a man who had been given the opportunity to come back to life in the body of a priest.

Jarocha
 

Jarocha, I never really understood why Cachito flopped, but you might be right that it wasn't the priest story, since the guy was not actually a padre.
I don't know what the producer was thinking pairing Maite Peroni with Pedro Fernandez - maybe that's where they went wrong, after all.

If Padre Plaid shows some worldly emotions, maybe once his Oriana crush is over, he gets a lady of his own...
All he has to do is get rid of that white priestly collar (or what's it called), with the rest of his clothes he'd fit in anywhere.
I'm kind of looking forward to possibly seeing him give up on his padre duties... oh, so many nicknames come to mind.
 

The only fault I found with it was Matilde's (Adela Noriega) Victoria Ruffo proportion crying. --> I think Zarattini's heroines are all the same. I saw Amor Real, Sortilegio, La fuerza del destino, and now Mentir para vivir, they are having bath in tears. Unfortunately it seems to not change, but the quality is quality. :) But the heroes are smart and strong guys, our authoress is overwhelmingly male-centered. :)
 

I think Oriana and Ricardo probably jumped into bed without the usual build up that is done in telenovelas. The characters may feel in love and all but it does feel too soon for that night to be about "true love", especially with Oriana recently ending what she thought was a loving marriage for at least six or seven years (according to Lina's age).

Jarocha
 

Adriana, I don't feel the sizzle of this couple either, but I mostly put the blame on Mayrín Villanueva. I don't dislike her, I think she's a good actress, but this is the wrong role for her. She's too mommish to be the hot number that men fall for on first sight. I could see the actress who played Elisa's mother, Ludwika Paleta or someone equally stunning looking instead. This actress is pretty, but not a headturner.
 

Jarocha, I think their first time has less to do with the kind of "true love" we're used to in tns, and more to do with the way actual, real people meet and have a relationship.
Tns protagonistas never date, go to dinner or to the movies, it's always about the drama, the forbidden passions, the secret identities and revengey stuff - after so many tns you kind of expect a certain pattern, so when we get something different, even if it is more realistic, we still find it hard to follow because we're not used to it.
Ah, viewers... we're never quite happy with what we have...
 

Cathy, I think Mayrin is very beautiful, but she seems older than Zepeda and maybe that doesn't help, either. Maybe an older looking galan, like Jorge Salinas would have worked...Or even a different heroine...

Getting the chemistry between the protas right is not that easy, I've been watching Quiero Amarte, the first 2 episodes - I was not impressed with the chemistry between the leads...
Same with Mentir.
But the worst right now has to be Santa Diabla, watching Gabi Espino and Aaron Diaz together is the best sleeping pill in the world, they are the least appealing part of an otherwise pretty intense tn.
 

what a refreshing TN!!Thanks for the recap Adraina. Watched 15 episodes on "Demand" and I love it.Rachel has jealousy issues and she's definitely a loose woman. That will make her a # 6. why are they using Oriana's name when her fake name is Ines. Luci and Rachel claim to know Ines/Oriana casually, so why are they in her fake house borrowing cash from her fake granny? Dear TN gods DO NOT disappoint us AGAIN.Pretty sure Maldida is going to catch on soon. Alina is so precious.

hanna
 

I also think that Rick and Ori's first time was a bit more true to life of people falling in love, not quite there yet, but really attracted to each other and still getting to know each other. I don't remember anyone throwing out "te amos" while they were doing their mating dance.

As for true electric chemistry between a tn couple, I don't think it happens super often. I think there are times when from a heterosexual female point of view, all I'm focused on is the male lead. If he's someone I'm really into, I really don't care that much about the female lead or her chemistry with him. DZ isn't one of the tn galans who make my heart race, so I have to be more objective when rating him. I think both he and MV did well in their love scene. I didn't want to watch the scene over and again, like in AB, but I also didn't want to laugh or cringe like in LFDD, or yawn like in PEAM.
 

Thanks Adriana for this nifty recap. Very well done and very entertaining.

I think all in all, not a propitious first coupling. Spilled wine, broken glass, and worst of all, no candles or rose petals.

On the other hand Raquel makes up for lack of quality with quantity. Her previous characters that I enjoyed were a bit more discerning in their mating selections but I'm appreciating her enthusiasm.

Carlos
 

I also agree that it was true to life. It's just that, sometimes, what is true to life isn't as attractive on screen as it is in real life. It would have been different if the leads had that scorching chemistry, of course but then, any kind of scenario would have probably worked in that case. Eh, at least they weren't making love in a barn full of doves.

AlejoP. You aren't the only one to have noticed a pattern with Zarattini's heroines. Although I think Oriana is a step forward.

By the way, this is the second time Zarattini uses the name Oriana for her leading lady. The first time she used it was in La Jaula de Oro, with Edith González. She must really like that name.

Jarocha
 

Vivi, I agree with you that if I like the galan, no matter who his lady love is, I still find it riveting to watch. I do find it a little hard to get into CdlF's new tn partner, but that is a story for another time.

Jarocha, you have great memory, I actually remember La jaula de Oro... boy, that Oriana was a really lame prota, Edith Gonzales' weakest heroine, in my opinion.
Making love in a barn full of doves - LOL - if they had the scorching chemistry we all found in one of our favorite tns, they could have done it in the stables with horses snoring besides them, for all I care...

Carlos,
Propitious = favorable - I learn something every day - thanks!
As always, you crack me up with your zingers, Raquel will never bore us, she just needs to keep coming up with more sexy antics.

Hanna, welcome, I hope you stick around. This tn is proving to be a keeper, we all enjoy it very much so far.
 

Tks Jarocha, glad you are here to keep history straight. And I mix up my TN's. El grito 1810. I think the TN's mess up history also. I remember Manuel supporting fighters & joining them, but I didn't remember it being La Reforma.

Mexico has a truly interesting history. Cortez arrived in Mex in 1519, but Ponce de Leon arrived in FL in 1513. Just love this stuff.
 

While I was amused or horrified (doves) by the love scenes of the main couple in LFDD, I was riveted by the love scenes by one of the LFDD secondary couples, Antolin and Carolina, and that had a lot to do with my love for Marcelo Cordoba. :)
 

Oh Vivi, Marcelo is my # 3 novio, FC, CdlF, Marcelo. Wish he would get a leading role. Interesting role in Sortilegio, switch hitter.
 

Variopinta, I remembered Marcelo Cordoba by name, but I couldn't put a face to the name, so I had to look him up on line.
Yowza, he is HAWT! I wouldn't mind seeing him share my screen with one of our pretty ladies one of these days.
So, as far as I'm concerned, your motion is granted!
 

Just finished watching this ep, and can we discuss the gangster that is Paloma?!! I literally quaked when Paloma told Matilde Tito el perrito was more important than her.

I'm glad Abuela Paloma a put Matilde in her place b/c even though Matilde is right that 2nes is a fake, she has been living of Paloma's charity for nearly twenty years. I doubled-checked when the last big economic crisis in Mex happened and it was in 1994 when the gov't devalued the peso. Rubén hasn't recovered in 20 years?! Both he and Matilde could've gone to university, immigrated to the US, retrained in another skill or even reopen another business once the economic crisis passed, but, they haven't. I don't count Cesar or Fabiola as flojos because Fabiola is a student and Cesar works hard in the family business , but Matilde and Cesar shouldn't be dependent on Paloma's charity as two, grown able-bodied people.

2nes asked for a job at the Aresti Breton business ASAP because she didn't want to be idle. She was at Raq's and Luci's two days before she was saying she needed to find a job to support herself and Lina.
Yes, Matilde is Paloma's house manager, but Paloma a could've hired someone to do that job and not have them ill-treat the servants as Tilda has done at less expense. Paloma is paying for Cesar and Fab's schooling, Ruben's golf and food at the country club where he plays, cars, etc. A hired house manager would cost less.