Caray, Caray!

Yay! Many thanks to NovelaMaven and Jean!
 

De nada, Sara. I'll take your thanks and run with them, even though this was really Jean's idea. :-)

P.S. Look ma, no headings!
 

I have not finished watching the episode yet, but I have to wonder about Jorge. Did it ever occur to him that ar some point he was going to have to "graduate" from med school? Did he think he could just lie forever? He's cute, but pretty dim.

Right now Mariana is my favorite baddie. She makes my blood boil more than Raquel.
 

Ok, good I can't always figure out where this one is going and reversals happen quickly. More like skirmishes not battles

Mariana - ugh, kids

Leticia - get that light out my eyes

Jorge - this might help http://www.toysrus.com/buy/classics/operation-4545-2267249

Christobal - conflict of interest

Victoria - not even the possibility he is family gives you pause.

Adriano - even the Maury Show can get a DNA test faster

Karina - kinda hope you are Adriano's daughter, oops

Rafa - Fire the HR manager

Raquel - but you can give a business lecture

 

I'm not sure that Jorge has the brains to figure out that sooner or later he must graduate or like last night be called upon to exercise his medical skills. I have to say one thing about the actor — he obviously comes from the Sebastian Rulli school of acting. You know the one, trembling lips, always on the verge of tears.

Jorge and Snoopy - what a pair. Neither one can keep their mouths shut and have now effectively put Blancoria and others in danger. Jorge runs to Raqevil and blabs that Blanca is alive Snoopy blabs to Rafa and like with Jorge tells him to say nothing. Put the two of them together and you might get an IQ of 100.

Adriano did tell Blanca that they could have the tests done in New York. He feels certain the Raqevil didn't lie and felt a closeness to Blanca from the beginning.

I'm more convinced then ever that Letty is Valentina. Melanie doesn't treat her like she was her child, she force feeds her the meds. Last night when Raqevil was talking to Letty it is as if she is an equal, not the child of a servant. When you consider that Socorro who has money (or seems to have) and Raqeveil won't deal with her because she was a servant it makes no sense that she would be wasting time on a servant's child no matter what she might know.
 

I think Letty is Valentina too but the hanging chad for me is soon to be fish food One Eye. If he was around way back when, why didn't he tell Adriano?

DecieG, love the combined IQ of Curious Jorge and Snoopy. They are blabber mouths

Sara, with you on Mariana and she could skin Raquel alive and not get her dress dirty.
 

Well I love spreading out on our own page!
That Raquel is such a snob; even if it meant saving the naviera, she wouldn't take investment money from Soccoro, a former servant.

Yah I agree that Tuerto is soon going to be sleeping with the fishes, unless he can offer to do the double-agent angle. Funnily enough, I want his character to find redemption.

Wardrobe: guess they decided that the clothing must be all bright Easter-egg colors (last night, even Christobal's suit was bright blue). Haven't they ever heard of cotton or linen in neutral colors? At least the cheapie clothes on the "barrio" characters aren't eye-hurtin'.

J in Oregon
 

Just finished watching and I'm getting a weird vibe from Adriano. Like he purposely wants to keep Blanca from Memo. Admittedly I have real life trust issues so I may be projecting.
 

tofie

We know that One Eye has been Raqevil's go to guy for some time. Somehow and I can't figure it out he put two and two together and came up with Bianca being Victoria unless Adriano told him. Her kidnap was a set up to get her to pretend Bianca was gone and to keep her as Victoria. Except for the fact that Adriano seemed so upset with the kidnapping of Bianca I could almost think he planned it.

Adriano is really the most interesting character for me. Last night he told Bianca that it was getting very difficult to get her father out of the country. I can't figure if he is lying or really did try.

I am also curious as to why Raqevil went to Mariana to find out who was paying off One Eye. How did Mariana know unless Adriano told her when he got her the name of a good attorney? I don't think Mariana and one Eye have ever crossed paths.

Sometimes I think they are cutting out whole scenes and conversations but then again Telemundo unlike Televisa doesn't always lay out all the cards on the table and leaves it to us to wonder how some things are diascovered.
 

Gee, our own page. We must make it worth NM & Melinama's while.

Tofie-I love your one-liners. They certainly capture the essence.

Decie--I'm sort of with you on the Letty=Val thing, not 100%. Until Adriano and Socorro see a picture of Letty, she will continue to be Melania's daughter. They do sort of look alike. OTOH, I also noted last night that Mel did not treat her as a mother would.

However, when you realize who Mel's been working for all these years, knowing and repeating lies, and since no one was allowed to visit Letty in the sanitarium for the last dozen years or so, her maternal feelings have probably faded a bit.

Victoria was unbelievable last night. She's telling Eduardo No-No, Don't Touch, while her eyes are saying Yes-Yes, I Want You! Poor guy.
 

Decie--Tuerto was the guy trying to kill Mariana in the car chase. After Adriano's folks hauled him off, didn't he and Mariana have a talk? He would have at least mentioned to her that Tuerto worked for Raquel.

Except that Mariana isn't as dim as Jorge seems to be, wouldn't she have remembered Tuerto hanging around the Altamira's mansion while she was married to Eddie and expecting Sofia?

It's that or color ME dim.

 

Adriano did say he couldn't get travel papers and Memo couldn't go right now but Blanca had to and he was going to stay. He is kinda creeping me out a little to and Socorro picked at him about being a playa, first Fernanda and now Mariana. I get he wants Raquel to get her come uppance but hooking up with Mariana will cause bad blood between he and Blanca plus he is all about giving orders.

Ok, so the enemy of my enemy is my friend but when pressure is on they all flip.

Victoria was pulling a Karina with Eduardo.

There was an elephant in the back seat of the car when Domingo and Blanca were talking about her crush and not a mention from either they could be related. And again when Ed professed his intentions she was all to eager to lip lock. Is she so starved for affection she would overlook the possible blood tie. That along with the DNA delay tells me they are not related.
 

J in Oregon - I like spreading out too.

I never got the impression that Mariana had spent a lot of time at the mansion. I always felt that Ed had left and met Mariana somewhere else. Ditto the pregnancy and abandonment. I felt like when he came home in episode one it was after a very long absence. Perhaps all of Sofies life.
 

All that to say she would not recognize Tuerto.
 

So everything is back on the table I think but not everyone knows I think

Tuerto - do you trust Raquel would not hurt your mom

Mariana - you are good, Chris & Ed believe it's about them

Soccoro - oops thought you smarter

Blanca - you look bummed but not so fast

Christobal - give it to Chris he'll eat anything

Rafa - yuck, even with Raquel still yuck

Snoopy - even with big uns still no

Adriano - if Let is Val what you gonna do with Fernanda


 

I knew Raquel was a lying, liar. She had the DNA results manipulated to say Blanca is Adriano's hijo, but she admits to Leonidas she isn't and she never wants Adriano to know who is his child. Blanca cosigns she isn't feeling the 'llamada de sangre' as she gives Adriano the blankface when he believes the fixed results and tells Blanca she's the fruit of his love with Valentina.

Loved Sofie's polka dot swimsuit. She was really well cast-- she looks exactly like Mariana and Eduardo. And she trusts her Dad implicitly, saying he isn't a liar and would never lie to her. Realizing it would break her heart to find out that he lied and said her mother died, he's now open to Mariana's offer/blackmail to keep the custody battle out of the courts if he goes back with her and she'll be satisfied with being Sofie's step mother.

Tuerto is an idiot-- he lives another day but is now a triple agent because Raquevil threatens his mother.

I don't believe any court would give Mariana custody, ever. She left the day Sofia was born and told Ed to tell sofie whatever and made no contact until now. But law in tns is what the writers say.
 

Agree, Sofia looks like her parents

Eduardo should call Mariana's bluff because they will play couple and he outta know she will leave again. I mean, just look at the shrew.

However they will play a couple but this won't go over well with the idiot brother
 

I'm sure we aren't meant to sympathize with Macario Lite but jeez he gets beaten by Adriano's crew, his mother gets threatened by Raqevil what a poor thug to do.

I must have missed it but when did Adriano ever tell Raqevil he would get a DNA test? How on earth did Raquel figure out which hospital/clinic he would go to and that it would be one where she has a crooked doctor on call. Really pushing the believability envelope with the whole thing.

Blanca is not the child so the ball bounces back to Ramon in my mind if for no other reason than he is less annoying than all the others. St. Slut Karina really gets on my nerves. Lecturing Blanca about how all the people in the barrio will think badly of her and never considering that they should think very badly of her own cheating behind.

Chris is a moron, I must agree with Raqevil on that one. He is so obviously thinking with his little head that he believed all that hogwash Mariana threw at him.

I'm beginning to wonder if this is the first novela that the writer, producer and director have worked on. It has become choppy giving the impression that scenes or parts have scenes have been cut or never even considered. I should have taken it as a warning of things to come when they changed the opening credits. Frankly it wouldn't have made much difference if they left them in as many novela's have semi-spoilers in the credits. It also makes no sense to me that the sets and scenery are so beautiful and the costuming is so cheap and tacky looking. When Karina showed up in those pink shorts and green top I almost had the feeling they had cut up the infamous dress.

LI is starting to look like a gigantic train wreck but one at this point I can't turn away from.

 

Yes, folks, we've been retrograded. Back to square One. Verse 25 (or whatever episode we're on), same as the First (or Second or Third).

OK, Eddie told Sofia her mother is dead and could never bring himself to tell her otherwise. He's still searching for Blanca but is falling in love with Victoria. (I stand corrected and agree that the Eddie-Mariana-Sofia courtship, marriage and childbirth took place somewhere else.) The only twist is that his head is now in Mariana's vise.

OK, Adriano is searching for the child he learned he had with Valentina. It turns out all those references to nino or nina are still in play. Candidates in the running: Ramon, Blanca, Karina and poor Cristobal or even Jorge.

OK, Snoopy tries out the oranges. They are no enhancement to her personality. She might as well eat them. Why hasn't she been wearing falsies since middle school if she wants big ones so much.

OK, do I see a replay of Vertigo in our future? Eduardo, after saying goodbye to Victoria is going to start seeing Blanca/Victoria everywhere. He's going to go crazy--oh wait, I'm getting ahead of myself, now Victoria is staying for Sofia's sake (yeah, right). Take that Adriano!

Who knows Blanca is alive:
Blanca, Adriano, Fernanda, Socorro, Tuerto, Memo, Snoopy, Jorge, Karina, Raquel and now Rafa. Might as well have broadcast it on Twitter. (Did I skip anyone, Eddie? Will have to rewatch, cause I think I remember him saying it.) Mariana doesn't care.

Tuerto as a mama's boy? He folded and melted very quickly. Begging for his mother's life was so uncharacteristic for a hitman. I'm not insensitive, but she looks like a very old lady, he should have called Raquel's bluff.

 

I think Tuerto went to the clinic and at first I could not figure out why. I wonder Raquel wanted the results to be positive and now that they are were they really negative and changed or just left as is. Memo needs to wake up

Anita, I knew she was alive via a tweet. you so funny
 

Decie G--You say it all with much more clout than I can.

I forgot Domingo. He knows Blanca is alive.

And who is the SUV driver who ferries Domingo and Blanca to and fro? What does HE know? Hmmm.

Agree about the settings, the seaside resorts, Raquel's palatial home, Adriano's digs, but the costumes leave a lot to be desired.

One minor thing that bothered me was Eddie's indignation at finding Adriano in Victoria's hotel room. He wanted to know what Adriano was doing in su habitacion--like it was only a bedroom. It was a suite and he himself had been in it with her-alone. Oh, well, men, what can one do about their logic when they get jealous.
 

Deci, Tuerto ain't even Macario-lite. I rolled my eyes so hard at Espinoza folding like his cheap suit when he begged Raqi not to kill his mother. Macario would've resisted so much better. Not for nothing was he the third-to-last to be offed in LP, and only b/c Chacon stabbed him by surprise. Tuerto is at the Lucas-level apprentice hit man. Mariana is Macario-level in her sicarrio skills.

Blanca's outfits as Vicky are getting better, but her staying for Sofie is a stretch.
 

Outfits slightly better but I keep expecting Victoria to tumble forward on those heels.

I agree Ed should check himself at the door

Rafa working at the office is really stretching it for me.
 

I haven't read any comments or seen the episode. I just want to go on record about how mad I am that the episode was NOT available when I wanted to watch it this morning.

Thanks for listening.
 

Tofie

I agree about Rafa. At the start he's working in the fonda and gave virtually no indication that he had any kind of business training. Suddenly they put him in a suit and he's sorting through reports and discussing business. SMH

Obviously Socorro, Tuerco and Adriano go way back to the old days. Socorro would know who Letty/Val is and that's why I'm guessing Leo wouldn't let her see her. Tuerco may or may not know who she since he may have known Adriano only from the docks and not have seen Val. It's a stretch but the whole story is. I can't tell if Domingo is part of the old crowd or if Adriano brought him in from his life in the states as he did with Fernanda. It did strike me odd that Tuero called him Domingo the other day and I don't remember him being at the beat down. SMH again.

Fernanda is barking up the wrong tree if she thinks Adriano is in love with her and will be hers when this is all over. Socorro warned her.
 

Let it out Sara, just let it out
 

It's Tuerto, not Tuerco. It means one-eye in Spanish.

Tuerto found out where the DNA blood tests were being done after he'd been released by Raquel to be a double agent in Adriano's team. He asked Socorro about it. She seemed suspicious he was so interested in the DNA, but did tell him.

So then we suspected Raquel was going to bribe someone (think she asked for something in return to past donations to the hospital) to change the DNA results. The big fakeout was that I at least thought she'd change the results to Blanca NOT being the hija. Instead she changed them to her BEING the hija when she's not.
 

Anon

Don't know how I could have missed the scene with Puerto talking to Socorro.

It sure is unusual for some to change the results to positive. Really worse than going the other way because when the truth comes out everybody suffers. Ravel is a supreme biotech. I wonder if she'd keep it up if she knew how lip locking close Eduardo and Blancoria are.
 

Of course, what this means for Blancoria and Eddie is that they can be tortured with the knowledge that they have an Amor Prohibido and then we can still end up with a wedding--unless they run off to live in some country where it's ok for first cousins to marry--before they find out they're not.

I wonder if Adriano is going to make Blanca change her name to his and Val's.

I think I do believe the paperwork hang-up for getting Memo out of the country is for real. They did all this in a couple of days and seems to me Memo wouldn't have had a current passport--or even a recent photo without someone going back to the barrio to look for one. I don't think there are any officials out there willing to take a bribe to cut the paperwork down to 48 hours.

It's all moot anyway if Victoria gets her wish to stick around. It'll give Addie time to get the paperwork straightened out. My guess is they never go to NYC and Memo doesn't wake up until ultimas semanas.
 

Anita: they set up the Tuerto-mama's-boy thing earlier, when Adriano was batting him around to get the truth out of him. Tuerto: "I swear it by everything I love..etc etc, and by Mi Santa Madre". So him folding up under Raquevil's little mama video clip does not seem so out of character.

Tofie: Yah I agree, Rafa has worked his whole life squeezing orange juice and now he's creating attractive multi-color graphs?

Raquevil vowed that Adriano would never find out who his child is. But does she know? I thought she told Memo to put the baby up for adoption, end of story. I'm in the Letty-is-Valentina camp, too bad Socorro couldn't figure out a way to get up to Letty's room.

J in Oregon


 

FINALLY I got to see Tuesday's episode!

I even noticed Ravel struggling in her heels, but I'll give her a pass because it was in a warehouse and the flooring was surely uneven.

I really don't have much to add IRT Tuesday, but in my mind Mariana still continues to be the more evil villain. Ravel's villainy of the past is unraveling and she's on damage control. Mariana is just winding things up. I assume she will not go unchecked like Ravel....because Leonidas is a weakling!!!! (Seriously, Cristobal is definitely his nieto.)

Oh! I loved the dress Catalina was wearing when talking to Ramon about pictures.
 

Just a couple of quick observations before I'm off on an all-day museum trip.

Tuerto got his information on the DNA from Domingo. He was in the hotel room (whaa??) while Domingo was packing.

He figured out which hospital lickety split. When he walked in, I thought he was going to bribe the receptionist, then the doctor showed up and I thought he was going to bribe the doctor. He didn't need to. He said, I'm here on behalf of the governor. Now we know the gov can still pull strings.

So we got a big reveal last night and last night Comcast chose to pixilate my viewing pleasure, go dark and unsynchronize the sound track so it sounded like Leonidas voice was coming from Raquel. Most disconcerting. I will be back to find out what REALLY happened.
 

I loved Catalina's dress too and she is really pretty. Ramon, I know you are too good a guy but she is hot unlike greasy Karina.

Valentia - god, finally we know

Fernanda - sorry hun

Tuerto - ah the wonders of smartphone technology

Raquel - made you weak in the knees did he

Mariana - whatcha gonna do now wonderwoman

Blanca - now doesn't that feel better? Say it again, Ed is my cousin. NOT

Victoria - great counsel, tell Sofia the truth and while you're at it......

Snoopy - why bite the hand that can buy you a D cup

Ed - thanks for not buckling under Mariana's illogical argument

Adriano - a lot of people will be hurt because you won't just take your ball and go home

 

Well those of us on the Letty/Val train are vindicated so now what's next. My question has always been why did they lock her away in the first place. Fake an accident to get her away from Adriano, take her baby which he knew nothing about so the accident occurred some time before the birth. Did she flip out, were the hoity toity Altamira's ashamed of an unwed daughter? Twenty years locked away and medicated Val must be ready for revenge. The story possibilities are endless now.

Snoopy is a world class idiot. Find out your sister is the daughter of a very rich man so what do you do act the snot instead of kissing up to her and hitting her up for bigger boobs.

Why did Mariana have to make an announcement about Blanca? She has no dog in that fight. I do think that the picture at the Blanca shrine is going to tip one of the Altamira's or Mariana off to who Victoria really is. There have been a lot of near misses.

Tofie -I really don't see any need for Adriano to pick up his ball and go. He is the aggrieved party, separated from his OTL, denied even the knowledge of his child, apparently brutally humiliated by Raqevil. The only people who will be hurt have it coming - Leo and Raqevil. The three boys will be hurt to learn what kind of family they come from but that will pass. There will be short term pain for Blanca and her family through no fault of Adriano's but that too will pass and when Blanca and Eduardo waltz off into the sunset things will be good for them all.

I wonder if Fernanda will turn on Adriano when he learns Val is alive and will that relationshio pick up as they look for their missing - son. In her chat with weak Leo Raqevil talked about a nino so I guess Ramon is back in play.

 

DeciC, I wrote that knowing he is like a bull in a china shop and many more will be hurt on his quest to bring justice to Raquel and it may do everyone well if he just leaves for now. I also had Val in mind, being the most aggrieved party as you state. Her child was taken and she has been locked away and drugged for 20 years by her sister with her father complicit. Adriano is acting like a poor guy that has done good with a chip on his shoulder. He is not as clever as he thinks. Is he a bad guy no but others will suffer
 

tofie

I can't help like Adriano and he were to leave even for a short period of time the whole novela would drag since they don't seemed to be paying attention to the real threat - Mafiosa Mariana.

Adriano was poor and left and made something of himself. It apparently took him a long time. In some ways I think he may be a more grown up version of Rafa who is a go getter even if he is willing to take short cuts like woo the boss viper.

Val is really the aggrieved party and remembering how she was mumbling to Blancoria about a tragic story I wonder if they told her, her baby was dead. Wouldn't put it passed them.
 

Adriano is a good guy so maybe I have been watching too many TN's when a good guy hits back really innocent bystanders somehow take the punch.
It also bothers me when he barks orders and believes he always knows what is best for everyone so long as it gets him what he wants.

Fernanda very well may turn on him after her heart crushed.

I don't give a flip what happens to our resident idiot Chris and pray his intended runs off, hope Rafa catches something from Raquel or the reverse and Mariana gets run over by a tour bus (twice).
 

"Snoopy is a world class idiot."
OMG yes! She's another one that just needs to be slapped.

Since the Valentina is Letty truth is out I now want to know the background. The hows and the whys. Clearly there *was* a Leticia at some point because Socorro asked to see Leticia (I assume to confirm that it was Letty or to prove that it was Vale.) I would like to know where she is, too.

Oh and I'm hoping Vale gets a makeover, too.

Also on the wishlist- a real man for Catalina.

 

Well, Catalina and Ramon are spending a lot of time together and ChrisCross is flinging himself at Mariana soooo. Ramon is due something good.

Hope we find out tonight why they thought locking Val up and doping her for 20 years and telling everyone she died was necessary. Are they that frightened of Adriano?
 

Sara

I'm wondering if the accident victim was Letty although why her mother would keep working for the Altamira's is beyond me, unless she thought it was a real accident. I too am lusting for the backstory.

The one thing that gets me about Adriano is that he hasn't thought to check into Mariana's background. He had them check out Ricky but not her and I wonder why he seems to trust her and I do mean SEEMs.

It has crossed my mind that Eduardo might be Adriano's son then i wonder why Raqevil would keep the child of her hated sister when the sister wasn't around for her torment. One thing is for sure Raqevil and Leo are the scum of the earth.
 

Leo is impotent scum of the earth. And is bringing Valentina into the house to be doped up, which exactly the same thing being done in the institution, going to be better? Does it really assuage his guilt so much? Does he seriously think he's made things right? I don't want to hear any BS about Valentina being the favorite hija. That is not how you treat favorite hijas.
 

Doesn't the padre know all about this too? I thought Leo went to see him and a little guilty after all this time
 

What struck me funny was the conversation among Leo, Raquel, Chris and Ed about how Blanca deserved all the status and wealth that came with the Altamira name when if she were Adriano's daughter she would not need it. They assume everyone wants to be them.

Ok, the only things so far I know for certain. Val is alive and in the house. Raquel tried to kill Memo with her bare hands. Jorge & Karina were in bed together. Mariana stuck a guy in the neck. Sofia is Mariana's daughter (need a DNA test Ed might not be pops). Tita has a restaurant. That's it.
 

Oh wow tofie. That would be interesting if Sofia wasn't Ed's. Love your lost of the only things we know for sure.
 

This show has the excitement of "ultimas semanas" and it's just getting started! By the way what do you bet at some point Sofia and Hugo (Blanca's little brother) become friends and maybe...become a point of information exchange?

OKay, no spoiler, just guessing, but how how about if the writers convince us that Adriano is not Blanca's daddy. Then, in the last episode, Adriano dies saving Blanca, and then afterwards she finds out that he was really her dad after all. Oh the angst! That's what I'd do if I was one of the writers.

J in Oregon
 

JnO I'm with you and think it possible Blanca is Adriano's daughter or Ed his son

Raquel - cat fight

Val - nothing a trip to the salon wouldn't fix

Karina - so you did lay a trap with sweets for the poor Jorge thus cashing in is justified

Chris - really listen to your mother and get over yourself or if you can't beat em run em down

Catalina - governors daughter. The Governer, ah

Jorge - what not a doctor

Tuerto - willing to pay for your sins

Mariana - missed your calling you are great with kids

Ramon - are you some glutton for punishment and still hang with the greasy slut
 

What I couldn't swallow was that once Blanca was declared Adriano's daughter, the Altamiras automatically assumed they could harness her to save the company by tapping into her deep well of wealth. What wealth?

Adriano was right, they need to go through him.

This story is getting sooo complex. Now Blancoria is getting outted on both sides. What will she do.
 

I loved Sofia's spunk.
 

Sofia knew she should not go with Mariana and watched her abuse the nanny but what now? Mariana will tell her her father made her go away and lied to her. Oh boy

Mariana makes my skin crawl when she struts in
 

Okay I usually watch this show with Spanish subtitles, which have not been available this week. So I've missed alot. But it seems like Simona heard Eduardo calling her sister "Victoria", Mariana told Sofia that she is her Mama, and Chris blabbed to Mommy Dearest that Jorge is not in Medical School.

I get that Adriano is offering to invest his money in the naviera...but why? And why are the Altamiras pursuing Blanca if they can get her family's money from Adriano?

Also, Tuerto tapes a tell-all on his phone as backup in case anything happens to him, then gives it to his old friend "Letty" for safekeeping. C'mon. How long can she keep that a secret?

Wardrobe note: put a piece of mint green fabric on the ground. Encourage the dog to barf on fabric. Then run over fabric with 4-wheel drive vehicle. Sell fabric to a costume designer for Telemundo. It's easy.

J in Oregon


 

JnO, you reverse engineered the manufacturing process for the fabric flawlessly.

I don't get the dressers for Victoria. She is one of the leads and she dresses with a thrift shop, garagesale, hand-me-down, consignment shop mash up like she was still in the barrio. Do they have something against Lisette Morelos? Even her makeup and hair look raggedy annie.
 

Good God Almighty and the award for the worse costume ever goes to that hideous bird wing green mess on Blancoria. As an actress I would have refused to wear it. It looks like some giant thing had spit up on her.

OK I have now come to seriously hate Karina, right up with Raqevil. Let's see the slut sleeps with two men at the same time, gets caught with her supposed novio's best friend (somehow skates condemnation from the barrio folk), lays guilt trips on Blanca and then betrays her confidence and gives Snoopy her address even after Blanca told her not to, that it was dangers and she tops it off by having little chats with Ramon while sucking face with Jorge in front of him. Cheap gutter skank!

Chris is now revealed as the moron whose rotten business sense got the Altamiras into this mess in the first place. So he is a failure in Raqevil's eyes and he then outs Jorge. Nice guy and I hope when his lusting after Mariana blows up in his face the governor's daughter ties a can to his behind.

Poor Tuerto gets caught by Raqevil yet again. One thing I will say for him he has brass ones trying to blackmail her.

I couldn't help but wonder if Val had been told Adriano was dead. She seems surprised to see him and I might add happy. I was also glad that when she heard him talking about his daughter he mentioned it in connection with his great love for her. I'm really rooting for these two to find their way back to each other and find their son - Eduardo since I am now jumping off the Ramon bandwagon.

Ramon is now coming across as a bit of a weakling. He sits chatting with the skank and then mentions that now that Blanca is rich she might pay for a new exhibit of his photos. Then the rest of the barrio folk start talking about what they can get from their newly rich Blanca.

I think that the Altamiras think that Blanca is now one of theirs and would rather deal with her than the hated Adriano. I also think they are probably guessing that she is just some dumb chick from the barrio and they can scam her money which they would never be able to do with Adriano.

As for Adriano I'm surprised that Eduardo or one of the boys hasn't jumped all over him for his supposed beating and abuse of Val when she was pregnant.
 

Good points all and Ramon went down in my esteem as well. First for still talking with greasy slut and second assuming he was entitled to Blanca's cash.

I keep wanting Ed to be Adrianos too but why unless Raquel wanted to hide Vals child in plain sight and Raquel would have had to be preggers at the same time as Val or appeared to be so.
 

I agree Tofie, and if Eduardo is the son of Adriano/Val, that would explain Raqeval's vehement statement that Adriano will never learn who his child is. If the child were anyone she didn't care about, she would be "meh" about whether Adriano found out or not.
J in Oregon
 

I'm thinking if Eduarda is Val and Adriano's child that Raqevil kept him so that she would always have a piece of Adriano for herself. She is perverse enough that the idea of palming off his child as hers was also revenge driven — if she couldn't have him then he couldn't have his son. It doesn't explain Leo's actions but then nothing does.
 

You know, that is no more perverse than committing your sister, keeping her drugged and taking her child away. She brings Val out occasionally to taunt her and remind her what she has lost before sedating her again.
 

Decie,
ITA about Raquevil's possible motivation for taking Eduardo as her own son. She is the spurned lover getting her revenge. But she does seem to adore Eduardo

By the way, Val seems amazingly "sane" for someone who has been institutionalized and drugged for 20 years. If she takes out Tuerto's smart phone and starts using it I'm just saying now: uh-uh, no way.
J in Oregon
 

I have thoroughly enjoyed the fashion commentary today :)
 

Just watched part one of five. Parts 2 and 5 arent up yet. Get it together Telemundo.

Anyhoo...my 2 cents:
The whole barrio making a wishlist now that Blanca is rich is just making me angry. Even Hugo is jumping on the bandwagon.

Jorge and Karina getting it on a nanosecond after Hugo leaves the room? And while he's still there?Ew. And did they not hear Raquel?

The scene with Raquevil and Rafa flirting in the car was great. Good chemistry. Yes! Let these two get together and raise hell. Get rid of Snoopy first.
 

There was a little book by Vals head when Ed grabbed her but didn't see if he grabbed the book, hummmm

Blanca - you got your priorities all cattywhompus.

Hugo - how you handling all this change no one else seems to care

Victoria - I had a shower curtain just like your dress in the 80's

Jorge - a cat couldn't leap higher when mamma caught you

Karina - I'm with Raquel on this one tramp

Chris - you really are a little punk and would love to smack that smirk off your face

Catalina - you can send all of the invites out but that wedding ain't gonna happen

Mariana - not even a dog could love

Val - so Jorge is slumming like you did, hummmmm?

Leo - scum

Raquel - only a sleaze ball like Rafa would do ya

Rafa - somebody please stab him in the neck

 

I don't get all the hating on Karina. I think the writers were straightforward about it. She was the girlfriend of Ramon, but they'd been together a long, long time and were more like friends than anything hot.

She resisted Jorge at first and was very concerned about Ramon. But anyone who's ever had that kind of red hot passion overtake them (and I have) could sympathize with her falling head over heels for the guy. Especially since he's sensitive and artistic and respects her.
 

If any consolation Jorge is as much to blame and I don't like him either. Jorge was living with Ramon and knew Ramon wanted to marry Karina. If they fall in love ok it happens sometimes but they were carrying on behind Ramon's back and expect him to forgive when he caught them in the act. If Karina thought of Ramon as a brother then have enough respect for him to break it off so she can pursue Jorge.
 

The writers didn't do a good job with their Karina-Ramon-Jorge plot. Karina's character is ambiguous: she seems to be written as a sympathetic, loyal person who's like a sister to Blanca, but the writers then confuse us by making her seem shallow and selfish in relation to the two men. I think she's the victim of inexperienced writing.
By the way, she looks about ten years older than Jorge.
J in Oregon
 

I'm finished with the episode and I just laughed and laughed every time I saw the seafoam-green, dog-barf dress.

I never really felt very angry with Karina. Maybe TNs have got me numb to cheating cheaters who cheat. Yeah, she should have broken up with Ramon ASAP, but meh. Whatevs. I do agree that she looks older than Jorge. There was one scene I noticed she had a wrinkly neck...which my wrinkly self does not mean as a criticism. I just made it hard to suspend disbelief. ;-)
 

Detest the skank Karina. She had control over the situation from the beginning but kept sleeping with Ramon and letting him think she would marry him while having a hat pants attraction to Jorge. I also agree that she looks way too old for him. Adding to her sins in my mind was her being willing to strip off and get it on with Jorge when there was a little boy almost in the same room. While I hate Raqevil she pegged Karina correctly.

I read somewhere that this might be s short novela about 100 chapters and at the rate it is going i'm inclined to think it will be.

I honestly thought that Victoria would be exposed when Raqevil went to the house, Surely there should have been some picture of her in the house. The lack of picture of key characters in their family homes seems odd to me.

Looks like Adriano's in for a nasty shock as well. And who tried to kill Valentina cause I sure don't believe that fire was an accident.
 

Guess I'm just a sucker for the aggrieved party and have not one bit of sympathy for Jorge or Karina. For me what they did is inexcusable.
 

I think the fire was deliberate, an attempt on Vals life and doubt it an accident or attempted suicide. Did anyone see the little book that was laying by her head when Ed picked her up?

Ed, you need to step it up and be proactive because people are beating you to the punch.
 

Yes!! I saw the book and wondered about it.

This definitely seems to be action packed. I like that Telemundo seems to keep their novelas short...and entertaining every episode. I never feel like I'm being fed a bunch of filler.
 

Did anyone see what happened to the cell phone that Tuerto gave her? She had it in her hand, trying to hide it when Raquel was grilling her.

Speaking of grilling, maybe it was Raquel that set the fire--she has no feelings at all for Val.

But that doesn't make sense. With all her power to make evil things happen, why didn't she just have Valentina offed a long, long time ago. Well, ok, we wouldn't have a mystery story to watch.

The way they have been dressing Victoria is a real mystery. I took a closer look at that doggy-barf dress and the material was made of accordion pleats, not a slimming feature unless you are seriously overweight. Even Melania dresses better than Victoria. And those oversized, flat purses which have nothing in them but a cell phone is laughable.

Truly, I don't believe much of anything in this tn any longer.
 

Anita I'm having great fun with it because it moves so fast. I too wondered about the phone but she may have it in her pocket. Raqevil would never off Val since has a pathological need to torment the poor woman.

One thing that did make me sick was watch the fawning fool Leo tell Val he was sorry about everything and how proud he was of her ability to deal strongly with all that had happened. Had I had interactive TV I would have reached through the screen and given him the bitch slap for the ages. Raqevil may be a bad parent but he wins the prize for the worst one ever.

My biggest gripe with skanky Karina is her complete lack of loyalty. She strung Ramon along while jumping Jorge, she defended Blanca but when the girl told her not to say anything about where she was because it was dangerous she immediately told Snoopy the town crier.

What Blanca now needs to do is sit down with her snotty sister and tell her she is doing something to punish the woman who is responsible for Memo's accident and to say nothing because it is dangerous for all of them. Of course she won't because Miss i want Bigger Boobs would immediately blab to Rafa who would funnel it back to what he thinks is his ticket to big bucks.
 

I don't get the Karina hate, especially if it's not accompanied by equal Jorge hate. I like her because she was the only one who didn't believe the Blanca prostitute lie. I think, as someone else said, they're a product of bad writing. The writers are saying they are in love but put them in skanky, immoral scenarios-that's bad writing. I shook my head at them getting it on in Hugo's room. It made no sense, especially after Karina said some things money can't buy. Karina told Simona because Simona told her that Blanca was alive-simple reciprocity.
I also don't hate Karina b/c she wasn't after Jorge for his money and she told him to break up with her because his relationship with his mother is more important. She's not a trepadora like Raquel said.

I want to slap Leonidas, too, after that speech he gave to Valentina. Daddy, what? May he end up in Shady Pines.
I think Val was recording Raq on the cell phone.
This TN is odd-the scenarios are somewhat believable but leave you scratching your head.
 

J Desde NYC, what leaves me scratching my head is tha Val--institutionalized since before the breakup of Bell Telephone--can suddenly figure out how to navigate around on the smartphone something I still have trouble with and I haven't been locked up and drugged for 20 years). It's a small detail but sometimes those are the ones that end up driving you nutty. Kinda like the whole wardrobe thing.
:o)
J in Oregon.
 

J in Oregon in a life or death situation, you can figure out anything ;).

I'm more mad at the fact the priest knows Val was held against her will for 20 yrs and he could keep that secret under the seal of confession.

Karina cheating on Ramon seemed out-of-character, too.

Three cheers for the actress playing Sofia, though. When Mariana told her she was her mother, you literally saw the character lose her innocence. I could see Sofia 20 years down the line in therapy recalling that moment. Sofia already didn't like Mariana and finding out she's her Mom did nothing to make her like her.
 

I'm ready for Monday night and hope to get thrown a few curves again this week. Will Mariana feel sorry for Chris and give him some and if so will the wedding be off? Will Ed finally have enough of Chris and smack that smirk off? Who started the fire and why? Will memo wake up? (Thought I saw his eyes open). Will Victoria get a damn manicure? What was in that little book and did Ed pick it up? Where is the phone? Will Val somehow try to contact Adriano? How butthurt will Fernanda be since she knows Adriano will never love her? I also got some weird kinda like him too from Socorro am I crazy? Will Rafa finally know Raquel in the biblical sense? Yuck. Will Sofia be cool with daddy though she knows? Will Ed or Jorge shave? Will Leo be struck by lighting and die? Will anyone ever get to see NY? I'm exhausted already and not a quarter the way through.
 

I'm a huge Sofie fan and I was very glad she and Hugo got a look at each other if only for a brief moment. I hope they become friends. Someone else mentioned they would like that, but I can't remember who.
 

Answers to Tofie's questions:

Will Mariana feel sorry for Chris and give him some and if so will the wedding be off? The wedding will be off, whether Cris gets some right away or not. I'm hoping Rafa brings Catalina to Mariana's apt. and finds him in flagrante, whether it's delicto or not.

Will Ed finally have enough of Chris and smack that smirk off? I can't put it past him, but Ed is such a nice guy, he probably doesn't hit his little brother any more.

Who started the fire and why? I still think it was Raquel. Maybe it's one more way to make Val suffer by leaving her with burn scars. Who else benefits?

Will memo wake up? (Thought I saw his eyes open). Yes, the eyes opened, but with that contraption in his mouth he won't be able to talk until Raquel gets to try again to murder him, or it's ultimas semanas.

Will Victoria get a damn manicure? Good one. Her moons should be showing by now. Hasn't it been several weeks since she first showed up with that color? You'd think she'd choose one color for Blanca and one for Victoria (I typed Blanka at first. I think it fits, Blank-a.)

What was in that little book and did Ed pick it up? I can't believe I missed it. Could be a Tom Clancy book or Neruda love poems.

Where is the phone? Melted in the fire.

Will Val somehow try to contact Adriano? Not without a phone. If she trusts Eduardo, maybe she'll ask him to send him a recado.

How butthurt will Fernanda be since she knows Adriano will never love her? This self-sufficient gal will move on, or take vengeance on him a la Lorena Babbitt.

I also got some weird kinda like him too from Socorro am I crazy? Nope, I saw it, too.

Will Rafa finally know Raquel in the biblical sense? Yuck. Yes, or die trying.

Will Sofia be cool with daddy though she knows? I wish she'd pulled the silent treatment on everybody, including Victoria. The poor child has been traumatized. She probably needs some immediate counseling, but not by Victoria--who has certain vested interests.

Will Ed or Jorge shave? No, Telemundo studios ran out of cash for miscellaneous. The boys know the 5 o'clock shadow is extremely popular now and think it is attractive to women.

Will Leo be struck by lighting and die? It won't be by lightning. It'll be an SUV. I hope he won't die until he finds out who his grandchild is and what a jerko he's been.

Will anyone ever get to see NY? Not in the budget; but they might spend the night in Miami.

I have my own question--
Do guys really enjoy kissing a beautiful woman who has on more shiny lipstick than a red Corvette?
 

Sara: that was me who hoped Hugo and Sofia were destined to team up. I can see them conspiring against the bad-guy grown-ups.
Tofie: Thanks for all the head-scratching questions! I missed most of Friday night's epi so that did help fill in the blanks a bit.
Anita: I'm not a guy but I assume that kissing lips covered in gooey lipstick would be a big turnoff. I guess the makeup goes along with the polyester wardrobe in lurid colors.
J in Oregon
 

After rewatching Friday's episode, I've concluded that the book is not important. It was probably something she was reading. Eduardo only scooped up Valentina.

The fire, although Leo smelled smoke inside the house, had to have been somewhere else. Val's room in the house was off a main hallway with a balcony looking out of a big window with plants and only one door--to the hallway.

When we see the fire, it was up some outside steps and there was a regular front door for Eduardo to kick in, action-man style. So, are we to believe it *was* Val's bedroom or had she wandered off somewhere trying to escape again.

From Raquel's reaction, she probably didn't start the fire--I retract my earlier conjecture. Instead, I think it was Valentina herself, accidentaly or on purpose.

Raquel *could* have called in some of her henchmen to do it. She certainly would have the money to do a restoration job after the fire. OTOH, the Altamiras are almost out of money.

A note about Karina's conversation with Jorge after being caught. She comes out with this ridiculous statement that they come from different worlds and they should break up--that Jorge was only "playing" at being poor and could go home any time.

Some of what she says is true. He was living off his mother's funds (if anyone remembers, he met some guy on the street as he was getting on him motorcycle many episodes ago and gave him the rent money, not only for that month but for a couple of months ahead).

This is where it didn't make sense to me. She and Jorge were attracted to each other long before she found out where he or his money came from. She's in love with *him* and his "different world" shouldn't matter.

I've been watching Victoria's lipstick. Sometimes in the same scene it's really thick and sometimes it looks normal then it goes back to being thick. Continuity editors--please note.


Can't wait until tonight.
 

Anita I also noticed that Val was not where her room was. It occurs to me that Raqevil may have moved her to another part of the house and arranged for the"accidental" fire. That way the main house would suffer no damage. The last time we saw Val there was a nasty conversation and taunting going on with Raqevil. I don't think Val would set a fire or try to kill herself.

Jorge may have had a trust fund or money from his grandfather but then I seem to remember Raqevil going on about him not getting a dime more of the family's money.

I also noticed the lipstick on, lipstick off in scenes with Blancoria and Eduardo. It isn't as bad as some I've seen on Televisa where the poor actor has greasy lipstick smeared on his face one minute and it's gone the next. That in addition to being a continuity problem is a problem with the make up department. One thing I can say at least Telemundo isn't gussying up all its women with that glaring bright fuchsia that Televisa is using.

Hate the Jorge and Karina paring if for no other reason than they don't look good together. She is ten years older than he is and it shows just as does the eight year span between Blanca and Eduardo. One thing for Telemundo they don't mind pairing older actress with their men as opposed to Televisa which has twenty something actresses playing against men in their forty and fifties.

Also looking forward to tonight.
 

Amen to that, Decie Girl. For those of us who watched Que Bonito Amor on Uni, Jorge Salinas was waaaay too old for Danna Garcia. (I watched anyway--they looked better apart than together--no serious chemistry between them to light up the screen. Maybe they knew they were in a Mejia production.)

I'm catching episodes of Fuego en la Sangre and reading the hilarious recaps and comments. All six of the principals were much too old for the parts they were portraying, though maybe closer in age to each other. (Of course JS and Elizabeth Alvarez genuinely fell in love during the filming and later married.)

But still, the viewers had to keep wrapping their heads around the age-thing and try to ignore it even though it was staring them in the face every night.

In LI, we have 3 brothers who ALL have very boyish, young looks and at least two of the women (and I'm looking at you, Lisette and Mimi) who do look older than their galans. It's even worse when they dress the main protagonist in clothes that make her look even older and frumpier. (Who did the casting, anyway?)

I like Catalinam, though...too bad she's stuck with Cristobal (maybe not for long).
 

Catalina is my only hope.

Blanca/Victoria - pasty

Karina - greasy

Simona - nasty

Raquel - a man

Mariana - teenage boy
 

tofie--You are a master of the big picture in a small number of words. I envy you. I used to fill three blue books to everyone elses' one. My profs used to tell me I was too wordy. Age has not corrected the indictment.
 

I am so jealous of all of you who have Telemundo.

Drat having to wait until tomorrow.

 

Does anyone know when the last episode of La Impostora is?
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