Saturday, September 26, 2015

Yo No Creo En Los Hombres Cap 54 Sept 25, 2015, or Judge, Jury and Executioner


Lo Pasado:

 MD is at the helpful rape victim center and is speaking to a counsellor when her rapist Dan calls. The slime calls her "mi amor" and when she doesn't respond in kind, telling him she is reporting him to the authorities, he blackmails her, saying no one will believe her as he sent a text from her phone to his with a sexy picture, so everyone will think their encounter was consensual. Claudio tells Isela that if Orly breaks the restraining order he's in big trouble.

 Lo nuevo:

Judge and Jury

 Max's tricks Baldamero into believing the loan shark ratted him out in the MD family mortgage sale scheme and therefore he's under arrest. Baldy quickly confesses that Daniel Santibañez is behind it all. Baldy realizes the trick and complains to Max who tells him to file a report against him. Max goes to casa Santíbañez to see Dan even as Dan's atrocious blackmail of MD continues.

If you report me, you will lose your house, Max, and poor Esperanza won't be able to stand it. So, tell Max to back off. MD concedes on getting Max to back off, and Dan lets Max hear MD say on speakerphone (altívoz) that she and Dan will negotiate the mortgage issue alone. Max leaves the Santíbañez defeated as Maleny says under her breathe he deserves that embarrassment and much more.



 At the Bustamante's Isela seems to remember the revenge plot she and Josefa had engineered as she plays twenty questions with Claudio at the dinner table. "Being a judge is like being God isn't it? You have the power to change someone's life for good or bad," she asks forthrightly. "I never thought of it that way before," Claudio admits, "but I don't agree with your view." "I can only judge actions and decree a sentence, guilty or innocent." "Besides, people choose their destiny by getting involved in a crime." Isela: "Have you never questioned if you've convicted someone wrongly?" "You don't even have any doubts?" Claudio: "No," on both counts. Isela looks more serious than ever as she responds. "Good for you," Isela opines sarcastically. "It's true what they say, though. If someone is a criminal, you don't determine their destiny, but if they're innocent and you convict them, you can even end their life. And that would weigh on the conscience." Claudio responds sarcastically, "What a beautiful topic for dinner conversation" and gets up from the table suddenly. Isela stops him and they look like they're about to make out.

 Executioner

 After comforting MD, Julian goes with Doris to casa Santíbañez to beat the stuffing out of Dan. Max shows up at MD's and asks why she decided to negotiate the house issue with Dan alone. Max senses that Dan forced her in some way and says as much but he backs off.

Claudio and Isela do the deed at his house while Alma is asleep.

Max returns home to see Leo and Max tells him about their parents.  Julian arrives at Casa Santíbañez, his blood boiling. Pimp Mama Ursula of course opposes Doris and Julian coming into her home but D & J are insistent. Dan is at the top of some stairs and Julian at the bottom of the stairs. Dan casually dares Julian to try and make it up the stairs to get at him, and Julian takes up the challenge. He runs full speed up the stairs to Dan, dropping his cane on the way and starts pummeling at Dan even as he says, "You raped her" repeatedly. Dan foolishly taunts Julian by saying, "You wish you were in my place, but accept it, in your state you'll never be able to be with a woman, much less one like Maria Dolores." They fight and shove until Dan accidentally shoves Julian down the stairs to the horror of all onlookers: Ursula, Maleny, and Doris.

 Aftermath

 MD is in bed wide awake beside a sleeping Clara. MD remembers the day of the rape: Dan accusing her of pretending to be decent for months even as she slept with Max quickly; She telling Dan she had loved him and wanted their first time together to be as a married couple and then him forcing himself on her. She cries quietly and bitterly at the memory.

 At casa Santíbañez, Dan is horrified at what he did to Julian-and it was an accident-even as Doris screams that they call an ambulance, which Pimp Mama Ursula delays as she tries to tell Dan what to say when the authorities show up. Dan says to himself and no one in particular, "How quickly I've gone from rapist to murderer" and Ursula quickly tries to squash the thought in Dan's head. "It was an accident and he did it to himself," she insists. Maleny accuses Ursula of machinating even as they aren't sure if Julian is dead or alive. She insists that she did the same for Maleny and will defend Dan as well especially since "he didn't do anything." Isidro, the evil faithful servant lets Ursula know Julian is still breathing and then she approves calling an ambulance. She cuts to the chase what they will do. She'll call Arango and let him deal with the legal blow back. All Dan and Mal are to say is "El llegó, te agredió, se cayó." He came here, he assaulted you, he fell. (Which is true. Dan does have a good self defense case here since he only insulted Julian and barely touched him.) Meanwhile, at the bottom of the stairs, Doris is with an unconscious Julian calling Jenny to let her and Julian's parents know Julian fell. Why didn't she call the ambulance?

 MD continues to quietly cry and mourn so convincingly, it breaks my heart.

 At the hospital are Doris, along with Jenny, Honoria and Fermin, who are waiting for news about Julian. They flag a nurse down who tells them Julian is conscious but in observation.

 As Ari and Doris walk in broad daylight together, they encounter Orly and he explains to them that he has to report to the police to testify in his case with Isela. Though he was the one injured, he tried to force himself on Isela, which is why she has a restraining order against him, which he deserves. Even as Doris and Ari shake their heads in disapproval against Isela, she had called him last night and Ari told him not to answer, Orly takes responsibility and says he won't be stuck on stupid anymore with Isela. "If she doesn't want me to go near her, I won't go near her."

 Isela comes down for breakfast at Casa Bustamante  looking as guilty as homemade sin as she sees Alma and Claudio and the table. Alma graciously asks the servant to put a place at the table for Isela. They start to gossip immediately about MD and the barrio crowd. Isela says her mother told her it seems MD and Julian had something going on but Isela says Julian loves MD but she has never reciprocated.

Max and Leo show up at MD's and Clara's for them to explain the jewelry robbery. They explain that the jewelry appeared in Clara's bag when they left it in Maleny's presence and  they broke up with them so Alma wouldn't file charges against Clara. Max comments bitterly that he once believed and commented to MD that their families had a lot in common since they shared the same good values, but he now realizes his family does not.

We get a mercifully short scene of Susana and Ivana fighting about the Santíbañez and how Ivana has to prove they haven't broken her.

Leo and Clara make up. Max comments how in love they seem and he hopes he and MD can get back to their relationship as well. MD cringes as Max touches her and they are mercifully interrupted by Espy and Doris who tells them there's news at the hospital about Julian.

Arango is at the breakfast table advising a stressed-looking Ursula drinking some tea. "As long as this young man isn't dead or anything else serious doesn't happen to him, there's no need to get the police involved,"  he notes calmly. He mentions Julian's sickness as contributing to his fall. "He is also sick in his bones. It's logical that this young man accidentally fall," Arango continues reassuringly. Urusula doesn't look so convinced and Maleny's words entering the room doesn't ease the tension. "You are forgetting one small detail, the obese lady (Doris) saw everything that happened yesterday." "And she saw the same thing we did," says Ursula.

As Max drives MD to the hospital, he asks MD why she is so cold and distant from him. "You don't want me to even touch you," he wonders. He also asks what Daniel did to her since he knows when he came by to pick up his things Dan was there too. "Nothing,"  MD says, looking trapped. "Do you think I'm seeing him again?" she asks. "No. I think he's following you."  She insists they go to the hospital to see about Julian and Max drops the subject.

At the hospital, all the people who hold Julian dear are gathered thinking he's fine. Jenny even had an orthopedic made for him and presents it to Hon and Ferm. Sadly, the doctor bursts their bubble. Although Julian tried to break his fall in the best way possible, since his disease was so advanced and he hadn't been using any support, he will never walk again and will be confined to a wheelchair. Caras de impactado all around.

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Comments:
Fabulous episodio! Totally rates front row seating. This past week has been a humdinger!
 

Indeed. I have to go out now but will be back later to comment.
 

With you guys. My head is spinning, making me exhausted just thinking about everything. Sad, Mad, Glad, Sad, Mad, Sad, Mad, Sad, Mad, Glad over and over.
 

Thanks for putting this up Jardinera. Adriana Louvier has the perfect "I was just raped" look. I hope she's not drawing from experience. And with that, it clearly makes everyone ask her what is wrong because it's written all over her face that something is.
 

Despite the woman at the rape center telling MD to not allow her abuser to intimidate her she answered Dan's call again. Why even take his call (the first one and the second) especially while trying to report him?
 

Did she actually report him?
 

I don't think she did and why Julian was so upset and went after Dan saying he cannot get away with doing this.

The second call from Dan was because Max had shown up inquiring about the mortgage papers that Dan had and Dan wanted MD to tell Max to drop it and leave. Dan put MD on speaker and she told Max it was not his business and that she and Dan would resolve the issue.
 

I'm banking on my girl Doris to tell Max what's up.
 

Cathyx, everyone should have a bff like Doris.
Lucky to say I had a childhood friend like that. Loyal, larger gal, who would even beat her brothers for making fun of shy skinny me. Max completes the picture. If not for the Santi's, MD and her family would be so happy!

I simply cant wait for recap!!
 

Yes Anonymous, we all need a Doris, Max, and Clara in our lives. I would almost say Julian, but he's probably more trouble than it's worth.
 

Problem is MD wants Max to butt out (she was really clear when Dan called her and put her on speaker). With Julian's help Max found out who had the papers but MD knew all along and kept it from him. Max is always a step behind. If MD trusted him and told him everything Max could get ahead of Dan or anyone else for that matter to protect her. Even if Doris (love her) tells Max about the rape MD will stop him from doing anything. It's almost like you cannot save someone that doesn't want to be saved or feels they shouldn't be saved. Everyone that loves her thinks Dan's a monster and won't believe a word he says so why does everything she does inadvertently end up protecting Dan's ass?
 

I can see Max working behind MD's back to deal with Dan, if necessary. It's knowing and doing what's in her best interest, even if she can't see it herself.
 

Completely agree he will but at what point does it become futile. Max spent the better part of a day running down the holder of the mortgages only to find out from MD in front of Dan, his mother and Maleny she knew already and to stop it. Makes Max look like some obsessed fool.
 

Tofie--You put your finger right on it. "It's almost like you cannot save someone that doesn't want to be saved or feels they shouldn't be saved." Also the part about poor Max always one step behind.

It could be that in this case, MD is still afraid for Clara with the Bustamante's threat hanging over her and her "promise" to stay away from Max that makes her want to keep Max out of it. But she should accede in the case, since he knows more about the law than she does, or what he doesn't know he can find out faster than she can--and not make any mistakes.
 

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Wow. Just watched the episode, and couldn't believe it had come to an end. They really pack a lot into each episode.
 

It seems to me that except for Josefa and the snakes Dan hires to do his bidding, the people in MD's universe are a hard working, loving,, cohesive group of people who are used as playthings by the Bustamante parents and other self involved people, like Ursula, Arango, Dan, Maleny, and even Ivana. Someday they'll get the courage as a group to rebel against this torture, but then, sadly, when they do, this spine tingling telenovela will be over.
 

Thank you everyone who worked hard on their respective recaps. This has not been an easy week.

I can see why this was the best show in Mexico for 2014. The care and detail that went into the rape and its consequences was masterful.

Great acting all around as well as writing. Its sad that rape has to be a part of this story but the aftermath matters just as much and the writers handled this with delicate care.

Not since El Manantial have I felt such disgust and angst at a scene like this. I felt MDs terror and her fear. Sick all throughout. The fact that a lot of peoplenfound out about thw rape just a couple of hrs after the fact makes this even worse.

I'm glad Daniel went bonkers on Ursula. That woman is evil incarnate. Theres a limit when you have actively destroyed your children's lives as well.

As far as Maleny and Ursula they may be the start of redemption story asnshe starts to unravel what exactly happened.

Poor Julian and Honoria. They will feel like hell for someone who always tried their best to not stand out.

As always Doris was a pleasure to watch. Her friendship with MD is a delight especially now that Isela has decided to stab the biggest knife in her back.

If what has come before dictates what will happen....the rape secret won't last long and I shutternto think at what will happen next.
 

This show has been exceptional. We're at a third of the way through, and TNs usually lose track by the halfway mark. Here's hoping that doesn't happen with this one.
 

I'm really hoping that Doris starts to tell everything because Maria Dolores is trying to protect people and at the same time she is sinking fast, why would she answer a call from that bastard? he just violated her In the worst way possible. what's wrong with her?
She was making these bad choices before the rape. Why doesn't she get angry at him
And stop sacrificing herself. Her family sure
Would want her to press charges against that bottom feeding parasite. Im angry with her for not cuttin his a$$ off when he made a
Fool of her with that fake wedding. Its like
Her brain cells have shut down. Why did the
Writers make her character so dadgum accommodating to this jerk, and that word is to good for him.
I don't mean to pick on her I mean, I'm not picking on her because she has been through a very horrible horrific thing. but why doesn't she fight for herself? and she was this way before the rape, now it's just worse.
what the hell is wrong with these writers and These directors? Ok thats it for now.
 

I haven't read recap or comments yet, will check back in tomorrow after WiFi is up.

But if Max and MD now MD have sex in a few dais, how will Daniel and Ivana be assured to baby is Daniel's.

No spoiler but I remember when MD first though she was pregnant after her honeymoon and Max sounds he'd loved ANY CHILD OF HERS.
 

I e-mailed the recap. It should be up soon enough.
 

I was floored that MD not only took the slimeball's call but said she was reporting the crime. She was probably in too much shock to think about reprisals. She might even get to thinking "Go ahead and kill me because that will free me from you" which actually could shut him down if only temporarily.

She is not only afraid of Alma filing charges against Clara, she is looking to spare her mother any more grief. She also wouldn't want Max getting hurt or in trouble for going after Danny-Boy.

She may also be looking to find her own strength.
 

Nina, "She was making these bad choices before the rape"
Same question I've been asking myself over and over and the behavior precedes the rape.

MD has gotten angry at Max from the beginning when she thinks he crossed the line, gone after Alma, Maleny, Ivana, Jacinto. She even gives a wide berth to people she knows has hurt her like Ivana and Max's parents or legitimately questions the honesty of a close childhood friend like Isela. Despite everything Dan has done to her she hasn't even blocked his number and will take his calls.

Max may get hurt too but Julian already has, however, I don't blame MD for what Julian did (That was idiotic and unnecessary and kinda pissed at Doris for showing him where Dan lived) and if Max gets hurt it is on him. MD doesn't want to be saved from Dan. I recall an earlier conversation before Max and MD began dating (if you can really call their relationship dating) when Max asked MD why does she listen to Dan's lies and she said because she wants to. Max is the fool here, he dismissed that true declaration and insisted on a relationship too soon with a woman emotionally attached to another man. I'm with Max, Doris, Clara, Esperanza and Julian in not being about to rationally understand the continued attachment to the scumbag.

Ursula is prophetic and correct. If Dan has impregnated MD he owns MD and Ivana and can do anything he wants with them. No, I take that back he already can do anything he wants with them.


 

Incredible recap J desde, particularly your detail of the Claudio and Isela conversation of the power Claudio welds. He does believe he's god.

"says he won't be stuck on stupid anymore" I can only hope Max wises up too, though he hasn't attempted to force MD he does show up unannounced and meddling in her business despite her repeated protest.

Doris made a comment to Maleny as she and Julian arrived at casa Santíbañez, that she doesn't know why but she feels sorry for Maleny. Was that said sarcastically or with a hint of truth?
 

Thank you JdesdeNYC. Terrific recap. I had forgotten the conversation between Claudio and Isela. He's fooling himself if the thinks that he's not actually playing God with his decisions. We all know that innocent people are in jail and on deathrow, and that rich people get away with much crime that a poor person never would.
How long will Isela live there at the house? Well, how many sleeping pills does Alma have left.
 

Ursula is prophetic and correct. If Dan has impregnated MD he owns MD and Ivana and can do anything he wants with them. No, I take that back he already can do anything he wants with them.

You surely can't mean this. He has no legal right over either of these women and for him to have impregnated MD would be the most vile crime he has committed so far. There is no worse hell for any woman than this kind of invasion by a rapist. I don't know if you watched Amor Bravio, but that was the ultimate in this crime.

And I'll say this again: If MD goes the same route and is willing to go full term on a pregnancy that results from this, that is a martyr complex I can't deal with. If that happens she will never be rid of this creep because he will torture her again and again until he kills her or dies.
 

If MD becomes pregnant by Dan, Ivana doesn't want to share the baby part-time. She wants full custody and will want MD to cede all rights. I am certain that that wouldn't happen.

I am hoping that MD gets rape counseling.
 

Great work, J. This was another disturbing episode and it looks like tomorrow's will pile more of it on.

Greatest Line: Isela comes down for breakfast at Casa Bustamante looking as guilty as homemade sin as. It definitely was that.

I can definitely see a pregnancy story coming up where MD will pray that the baby is Max's. Here is hoping that can be proven quickly, as happened in MCET.
 

Thanks, J desde NYC. Terrific recap.

MD is in shock. I think she took Dan's call because she's running on autopilot, she's not really thinking. [Plus, the writers want her to see his sick photo and text.] Up to now, MD could never fathom how disturbed he is despite all the foul he's done.

Poor Julian. This is the downside of living like he was physically whole. I truly think he was so angry that he forgot all about his infirmities when he went to confront Dan, even running up the stairs.

I actually had a smidgen of sympathy for Claudio being in a stale marriage, even though the fool made no move to freshen up things with Alma. But coming on to Isela in his home while Alma is asleep is beyond colmo. Not an iota of respect for Alma. Looking forward to him going down in a big way.
 

My novela learnings have taught me that a baby "belongs" to the man married to the pregnant woman at the time of the baby's birth, regardless of DNA testing, and carries that man's name. So the biological father has to fight hard for visitation. Could be right or wrong.???

I just want to know who is the father of the inevitable baby.
 

Cathyx, Ivana might want full custody, but didn't she already file for divorce? Besides, if she is willing to adopt now I'm sure she would rather not have Danny-Boy's DNA in her house. She wants to be rid of him just as much as MD does.

The Santibanez clan really believes they're above the law and that anyone else exists to serve them or be destroyed. That is really going to bite them in the arse when Karmageddon comes.


 

Victoria, that is the legal position of Presumptive Paternity. DNA testing can break this; this has been the case for about 20 years.

Danny-Boy is not married to Maria Dolores and their "ceremony" was false. While we have good reason to assume that Max has been diligent about using protection, there was no conversation about it. The writers have left the door open to a Baby Max.
 

UA, Ursula thinks that the baby will reel Ivana back in, and Ivana seems to waiver back and forth over what she wants and is planning. So who knows where this will go. We don't even know if MD is even pregnant yet.
 

J desde NY- Thank you for this wonderful recap.

Although I'm not happy that MD took Dan's calls, I am glad that she knows exactly what he has up his sleeve with the text and photo. Now, if only she would tell someone about it!

I have faith that neither Doris nor Julian will keep quiet about the rape, and Max was already asking why Julian would go after Dan like that. He's not stupid. He knows something else besides the stolen jewelry and house deed is weighing on MD.

I still do not believe that MD and Max had unprotected sex while being unmarried. Sorry folks. If she gets pregnant, it will be from this blasted rape.

There is still time for MD to use the evidence collected by the rape center to file charges against Dan. I've not given up on her fighting back.
 

True Vivi, Max always used protection with Maleny. I'm hoping for a fight also, but even with a fight, the courts will have to believe her with all the text evidence there is. Timing of the texts sent? He did those afterwards, and weren't they texts about her waiting for him to come over, which would imply they were sent before he showed up? Max would be smart enough to figure that out, even if MD isn't.
 

Doesn't she have a bruise on her forehead? Would that show in the photos?

We will have to wait a few episodes before we get anything about whether she is pregnant or not. Can anyone remember how long ago she and Max were at his place?
 

"The Santibanez clan really believes they're above the law and that anyone else exists to serve them or be destroyed" And exactly UA why I sarcastically made my comment about Ursula.

However, Ursula made another point that both women will be malleable if indeed he has fathered a child with MD.

I think Ivana will jump through hoops to get her hands on the child and Dan will be able to manipulate MD just as he always has with lies, threat and intimidation. I don't see him stopping, he has stolen, lied, committed fraud, beat and raped for less. For some reason MD, to this point, has thought she can appeal to some sense of fairness and humanity in Dan which implies she either believes he possesses some, he really does love her and wouldn't really hurt her or that she is capable of making a convincing enough argument.

 

Good point Cathyx and Max as an attorney would know but even if she did invite Dan over MD could still be raped by him. Dan will maintain it was consensual and MD will maintain it was not.
 

Ivana does not need to do this. She has more than enough money and influence to adopt any healthy baby. She could divorce the sleaze and Gerry would marry her in a heartbeat. After all, he also knocked her unconscious.

Everyone: Who thinks Ivana is smart enough to figure out Danny-Boy's motive when she finds out about the rape? Because she will know eventually.
 

I think Ivana's behavior is just as foolish and self destructive as MD's and will suspect it was intentional but it won't matter to her. If a pregnancy is a result of the rape and belated, it is a pregnancy non the less. Ivana knows exactly what he is capable of.
 

Thanks for the recap. I am able to follow only by reading it. I watch one episode to put names and faces together and that's it. Remember Ivana already believes MD is pregnant due to the false evidence Ursula showed her. MD will be pregnant(whether it's Max or Dan), that is novela 101 otherwise they wouldn't be making such a big deal about Ivana having the baby. If she is pregnant, she will go through with the pregnancy, novela 201. At the rape center, she should have been given the "morning after pill" to prevent any possible pregnancy. We don't know if they gave to her or not which I think is intentional from the writers. I suspect Ivana will go to any length to have that baby because she's a bit unhinged about loosing her own. I don't understand MD and her incapability(before the rape) to keep Dan at arm's length. She gets angry with everyone else and clearly she can stand up to others why not Dan?
Romy
 

I've said it before about MD but I will say it again: She could not until now conceive of this level of evil.

Ivana does not yet know about the rape. If she was previously willing to fire Jacinto over an attempted rape she should be even more appalled at this.

I agree that it's intentional that the writers didn't say anything about the morning after pill or a test to determine if MD is already pregnant and past the point where RU-486 would be effective.
 

I don't remember Jacinto raping MB just trying to do the deed.
Does anyone remember what really happened.????
 

I don't think MD took those calls because she's still weak on Dan. I think she took them to let him know she's not scared of him, and she woukd report him, which she said, until she realized he had her trapped with the photo. I totally get MD not telling Max. She is always going to him with her problems and she doesn't want to be dependent on him. Of course, she's also blaming herself for the rape and all the emotions that she's feeling. Since her dad's death, life has been one setback after another.

Ivana on the other hand, I've lost sympathy for because the rape was a business decision the Santíbañez made to placate and manipulate Ivana. Plus, Ivana has Gerry and should move on. She has the financial resources to get mental help and has chosen not to.
 

Ivana has finally said farewell to the baby she lost, so I think her desire to have Dan's baby is finished, especially since it will be another 9 months before she would actually have it anyway. So even if in 9 months Dan finds a way to get the baby and offer it to her, she would decline it.

In my opinion, if Ivana finds out about the rape, she would definitely be completely turned off by Dan, although she already is after he hit her, but she will not go along with any of this, and she may even collaborate with MD to put him in jail.

Victoria, Jacinto never raped MD, he assaulted her and many of the women in the shop.
 

Cathyx
Now it surely looks like Ivana is going after Max --
 

I agree Ivana thought Jacinto's behavior reprehensible and logically should support MD if she believes she was raped, but she still kept Jancinto because Dan asked her to.
 

Ivana is going after Max it looks like. So I don't see any softening toward MD anytime soon. I hope for MD's sake she is not pregnant from the rape but if she is she, certainly, does not have to carry it to term unless she wants to or chooses to do it, of course.
Romy
 

This show is a hot nasty mess. And its about to get worse. Looks like all the good guys are being run over and kicked. Maybe, hopefully
She"ll (MD) muster up some strength and fight for herself, please, I hope so. The hell
With the text, she should not let this man own her.
 

MD better tell Max about the rape because if it turns out she IS pregnant, she will need a hell of an explanation if they (Max and MD) used protection when they did the deed. He was with her when she got the results of her pregnancy test after she broke up with Daniel, which, of course, were negative. If they DIDN'T use protection and she's pregnant, he will very well wonder why Daniel will be saying (as I'm sure he will be) that she is having HIS child. I hope that if it turns out she is pregnant they will both want to know as soon as possible who the father is and a paternity test will prove that the baby is MAX's. But even before that, it would be so refreshing in a tn if an arrest and subsequent conviction for rape would occur (I know it won't, but I can dream)!
 

Dan sending the proactive text no more proves consent than that police officer intimating it was not rape but only a lovers spat because they had a sexual history. I hope MD told the woman at the rape center what Dan did and am sure she has seen & heard every manipulative trick by an abuser in the book and set MD straight. Dan's word is not law.

I'm with some of you and cannot understand Ivana wanting Max near. She told Gerry she admires Max and knows he is a good man but she cannot understand why he would want a woman like MD who also attracted and was in love with a man like Dan. I don't think Ivana has any romantic interest in Max so perhaps it is turf. Maybe she believes she can convince him MD and Dan are birds of a feather or when Max discovers the child MD is carrying is not his but Dan's will help her (Ivana) take the child away. Urgh, I just confused myself.

 

We've seen so many rapes lately, some very graphic, and I'm really discouraged by the terrible and PSAs the producers are doing. So rapists and narcos get free rides in Mexico.
 

The truly horrific possibility just occurred to me: If MD discovers she is pregnant and she and Max had used protection, there is the chance that Danny-Boy could take her to court to prevent her having an abortion. Knowing how difficult it is to get an abortion in Mexico I could see this happening.

This photos may prove nothing, but there is no one to prove that Danny-Boy sent them. Add the viper named Ho-sefa to the mix and the surface rep of the Santibanez family and we'll all be surprised if MD doesn't try to off herself.
 

We simply do not know if Max and MD used protection. I think the whole plot will center around who is the baby's daddy. And I don't think a DNA test is going to settle the matter since TN's seem either to ignore DNA or if there is a test it's faked. No I am sure mad Max, MD and Danny-Boy will fight until the final episodes about whose baby it is.
MD and her mother are tragic, almost pathetic characters in this TN.
Doris is the strong one. Max so far has let MD call the shots about what the terms of their 'relationship' are.

 

Its gonn get worse, much worse before anvils start happening. And Dan boy is sure gonna piss us off even more. No spoiler, just predicting based on tn tendancies. MD will never have an abortion even if she was raped, for she will want to protect her child since it is not baby's fault how it was conceived. Maybe she would take morning after pill, maybe...
 

Anon Sun 5:05 "it would be so refreshing in a tn if an arrest and subsequent conviction for rape would occur"

Couldn't agree more and largely what infuriates me when there is a rape in nearly every one of these shows. It shuts the woman up, punishes/shames or keeps her in the relationship and/or impregnates her or there is a pregnancy scare that may or may not cause a rift between the lead protagonist.

At least here there was the threat of reporting the crime and the difficulty in doing so. Why can't they take it further and convicting Dan of the rape be what takes him down? We see Dan unconcerned with MD's physical or emotional state post attack and his lament over being a rapist because he knows there are laws against it and that MD didn't want him and he had to use force. Let's see him try to convince a jury she wanted it.

 

There are no jury trials in Mexico. And in view of Danny-Boy being from a rich family and MD coming from a working-class one there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of an arrest much less a conviction.

Especially since this story isn't even half over yet.

We are virtually guaranteed another long list of lies, subterfuges, sabotage, and other crimes to be committed against her and hers before this is all over and MD and Max have the Wedding of the Year.
 

Maria Dolores was taking Dan's calls BEFORE the rape. The rape doesn't have anything to do with Maria Dolores answering Dan's calls.

If Esperanza knew about MD's rape, she'd probably urge her to report Dan. If Esperanza knew about the Bustamantes' accusing Clara of theft, she'd probably march over there and put them in their places but she'd probably advise Clara & MD to stay away from the Bustamante sons.

With the line of questioning by Isela, I think Claudio sentenced Josefa's daughter to jail for a crime she didn't commit and she died in jail for a crime she didn't commit and this is why Josefa wants revenge on Claudio. Josefa can't believe in the goodness of people when people who are supposed to be good are doing bad things.

Julian was very stupid for trying to fight Dan at the top of some stairs (even as I understand him wanting to fight Dan). Unfortunately he will pay for his foolishness with his mobility.

I think Ivana will want MD's baby whether Dan is in the picture or not. She'll convince herself that MD is trash & shouldn't be allowed to have a baby. I think she still wants to take everything away from MD ---it's just that she's now swapping out Dan for Max.


 

Its gonn get worse, much worse before anvils start happening. And Dan boy is sure gonna piss us off even more. No spoiler, just predicting based on tn tendancies. MD will never have an abortion even if she was raped, for she will want to protect her child since it is not baby's fault how it was conceived. Maybe she would take morning after pill, maybe...
 

(Maybe this could be better phrased?)
 

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What are you referring to Diva?
 

(Nothing that's still here. Something I deleted.)
 

Hi guys. I finally got to see Friday's episode today and catch up on the comments. I totally agree with anon 3:31 who says that there's no way MD took the MA pill, nor will she get an abortion. In fact, my fear is that she'll willingly give up the baby up to Ivana as long as she promises to keep it away from Dan and only afterwards somehow learn that it's Max's and want it back and Ivana will totally flip (actually, it will be her first really justifiable flip out towards MD). And my big, big fear is that between the "Dan" baby, the text, and Dan blackmailing MD, Max will give up believing in her and it'll be a three way fight for the baby.
 

I think Max's confidence is shaken in MD only because she doesn't tell him anything and then he finds out. Dan calling MD in front of Max and MD telling him he has no business getting in her business, is pretty humiliating. At what point does he just give up trying to help?
 

I think the rape has everything to do with the situation. If that had been me I would have not taken his calls and gone immediately to the police, to a lawyer, and to anyone willing to help. There could not be a greater humiliation than saying one is going to press charges only to have nothing happen. Danny-Boy got warned, which was bad enough. When I think of how the police treated MD and Julian when they reported Rudolfo's murder and how that creepy cop and "doctor" treated MD when she first went to report the rape I can only see Danny-Boy laughing at her.

Brave is one thing; foolhardy is another.
 

Remember México ,México México . Please believe that the norm is not like US norm. But they are progressing. So maybe we should remember the locale more in our analysis.
 

That's part of the problem with these TN's depicting superfluous rape, there is one response and that is not to report because of fear and/or shame and that continues to reinforce the status quo.
 

Superfluous? That's a rather dismissive comment on what is becoming a key plot point and one that is not inconsistent with the attitude of entitlement of the villains of this story.

Another fear is the label of "damaged goods." This is what needs to be shaken off. We need heroes who don't see women this way (Max wouldn't, nor would Leo) and women who can be examples to other women in the face of indifferent authority.
 

One more thing: Does anyone remember whether Rudolfo's murderers were caught?
 

Anon207: "If Esperanza knew about the Bustamantes' accusing Clara of theft, she'd probably march over there and put them in their places but she'd probably advise Clara & MD to stay away from the Bustamante sons."

Actually, Espie did already march over there and tell them off, even when she didn't know all the facts of the blackmail. She still knew the Bustamantes were behind the breakups. And as of this last episode she knows the whole truth about the jewelry theft, and she did NOT advise her daughters to stay away from the Bustamante boys. She knows they are great guys.
 

They are wonderful guys, their parents are just major Donkoffs.I was hopeing better from alma, but
Shes just as bad as the others
 

UA, I think they did get caught. Fermin was a witness and ID'd them.
 

There is no way that MD would give up the baby, no matter the circumstances. (in my opinion)
 

It would not surprise me if there is a big reveal to come that Danny-Boy masterminded Rudolfo's murder.
 

Thank you for the recap J! It was great.

Jarocha
 

Hellashell, Max giving up on MD is my greatest fear too. I wish so much she would confide more in him and let him protect her. Some women have noone, she is so fortunate and super worthy of him.

Cathyx, I agree that MD will not hand over her baby willingly. Unless it is taken or kidnapped and put in a terrible situation that she cannot control. But she will love that child regardless whose it is. Not Dan's, I hope against hope.

Forgive me, I forget who commented that from Isela's and Claudio's dinner topic pointed to the possibility that perhaps Claudia condemned her sister to prison and she was innocent.
 

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