Monday, February 15, 2016
TELEMUNDO Y MÁS (#1): ¿Quién es Quién?, Eva la Trailera, La Querida del Centauro & Fatmagúl : Week of February 15, 2016
Here is PAGE #1 (Monday edition) of your Telemundo page, now issued twice a week: Mondays at 3PM and Thursdays at 8PM).
This week's lineup continues with:
8PM—¿Quién es Quién?
9PM—Eva La Trailera
10PM—La Querida del Centauro
and ¿Qué culpa tiene Fatmagúl? which normally broadcasts at 12 noon is pre-empted by the Pope's visit until Thursday.
1AM (after midnight, the next day)—Eva La Trailera often repeats at this time, but check your local schedule, as there are frequent substitutions.
1AM (after midnight, the next day)—Eva La Trailera often repeats at this time, but check your local schedule, as there are frequent substitutions.
The times listed above are all Eastern Standard Time.
Please join the discussion; and remember to identify which show you're recapping or commenting on at the beginning, since all our shows are mixed together on the same page.
Please join the discussion; and remember to identify which show you're recapping or commenting on at the beginning, since all our shows are mixed together on the same page.
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EVA LA TRAILERA – LUNES – Parte 1 de 3
We pick up where we left off on Friday with Chivo raging in his car about seeing Pablo Contreras. Eva invites Pablo in, saying they need to take this step in their relationship.
There’s a very sweet scene with Bobby asking “Don Pancho” for advice to the lovelorn. Pablo tells him he messed up with Adriana. He tells him he’s a blue blood, but needs to learn how to deal with a red-blooded woman. He says that women want to be treated like queens, like they are the most important thing in a man’s life. After Bobby leaves, resolved to take Pancho’s advice with Adriana, Pancho and Soraya are completely delighted with the progress in winning over their son.
The tía and Fabiola come home and Fabiola is hostile toward Pablo. [I’m unclear about this tía. At first I thought she was a nanny, but then they began to call her Tía. No one has ever said whose tía she is that I can recall.]
Sofía begins to atar cabos (put two and two together) while mourning her mother. She asks herself why Marlene’s brother was at the hospital.
Marlene gives Andy the money to pay off Chivo. She says she doesn’t want the guy around because he’s an ex-con. Andy reminds her he’s one as well, but Marlene says the other guy is a plain old criminal while Andy is a Palacios [!!]
Eva takes Pablo out on the patio of her house. She tells him she and the children will probably be leaving this house. They kiss and Marlene seethes as she peeks out the window. She mutters that she hates to see Eva so happy and together.
Chivo tells Andy that Pablo is a cop and the one who put him behind bars. He wants to shoot him down in the driveway, but Andy restrains him.
Eva has come to see Marlene to thank her for how she handled Andy. She tells Marlene that she doesn’t want Andy for her daughter. Marlene drops her mask for a minute or two and asks “What’s so bad about my brother?” Eva: Más bien que tiene de bueno. [Amen, Eva!] Eva tells her the guy has been around the block a few times and should not be courting una niñita. And he doesn’t even have a job.
Marlene changes the subject. “How do you feel being with a younger man?” [A left-handed compliment if ever I heard one!] Eva gushes. He’s a special guy; I’ve never known a man so special. Marlene says she’s never heard her refer to Armando that way. Eva tells her they’re more than seeing each other; they’re in love.
Martín again sticks his nose in with his son, saying things are moving too fast with he and Eva. And again he asks if he’s told her the truth about the investigation of Mon-Sol.
We pick up where we left off on Friday with Chivo raging in his car about seeing Pablo Contreras. Eva invites Pablo in, saying they need to take this step in their relationship.
There’s a very sweet scene with Bobby asking “Don Pancho” for advice to the lovelorn. Pablo tells him he messed up with Adriana. He tells him he’s a blue blood, but needs to learn how to deal with a red-blooded woman. He says that women want to be treated like queens, like they are the most important thing in a man’s life. After Bobby leaves, resolved to take Pancho’s advice with Adriana, Pancho and Soraya are completely delighted with the progress in winning over their son.
The tía and Fabiola come home and Fabiola is hostile toward Pablo. [I’m unclear about this tía. At first I thought she was a nanny, but then they began to call her Tía. No one has ever said whose tía she is that I can recall.]
Sofía begins to atar cabos (put two and two together) while mourning her mother. She asks herself why Marlene’s brother was at the hospital.
Marlene gives Andy the money to pay off Chivo. She says she doesn’t want the guy around because he’s an ex-con. Andy reminds her he’s one as well, but Marlene says the other guy is a plain old criminal while Andy is a Palacios [!!]
Eva takes Pablo out on the patio of her house. She tells him she and the children will probably be leaving this house. They kiss and Marlene seethes as she peeks out the window. She mutters that she hates to see Eva so happy and together.
Chivo tells Andy that Pablo is a cop and the one who put him behind bars. He wants to shoot him down in the driveway, but Andy restrains him.
Eva has come to see Marlene to thank her for how she handled Andy. She tells Marlene that she doesn’t want Andy for her daughter. Marlene drops her mask for a minute or two and asks “What’s so bad about my brother?” Eva: Más bien que tiene de bueno. [Amen, Eva!] Eva tells her the guy has been around the block a few times and should not be courting una niñita. And he doesn’t even have a job.
Marlene changes the subject. “How do you feel being with a younger man?” [A left-handed compliment if ever I heard one!] Eva gushes. He’s a special guy; I’ve never known a man so special. Marlene says she’s never heard her refer to Armando that way. Eva tells her they’re more than seeing each other; they’re in love.
Martín again sticks his nose in with his son, saying things are moving too fast with he and Eva. And again he asks if he’s told her the truth about the investigation of Mon-Sol.
EVA LA TRAILERA – LUNES – Parte 2 de 3
Chivo tells Andy the whole story about when Pablo shot his brother. [So, Chivo thought Pablo should have let himself be shot in the face instead.] He tells Andy that, although he was in prison, another brother and a buddy went to kill Pablo in revenge. But they only succeeded in killing Pablo’s wife as they came out of the hospital with a new baby.
Adriana is sitting poolside and tells her mother she’s looking at colleges. Eva: “Let me know when you decide, and I’ll put down a deposit.” Adriana is shocked her mother isn’t grilling her. Eva is very cool. “It’s your decision. I’ll respect it, and I want you to respect mine.” Adriana tells her mother that she’s gotten rid of the family they had. [Oh, please! Did she expect her mother to be such a doormat that she’d forgive Armando’s affair with her own niece!] Eva tells her that perhaps when she’s far away, she (Eva) won’t look so much like a bad mother.
The amazingly annoying Betty tells her sounding board Marisol that Armando Montes didn’t come to work because of a death in the family. She’s disgusted because she lost her big chance to make a scene at Mon-Sol.
Sofía continues thinking (amazing). She remembers an encounter with Marlacula at her nastiest. And she remembers what her mother said about Marlene. Evencio has come home and tells Sofía that Marlene considers herself de una alcurnia tal que trata de otros como caca de perros. (Of such a noble lineage that she treats others like dog shit.)
Eva and Soraya are talking on the sofa. Bobby shows up. His manners are getting better. He offers his sympathy to Eva for Carmen’s death and greets Soraya as Doña Soraya and with a big smile. He tells them he’s here to follow the advice of Don Pancho.
Adriana is insufferable to Bobby. He brings her an autographed baseball cap of a soccer star, and she snarls that she hates football. Bobby tells her the truth, that Andy has changed her. She skips school and comes home half drunk. The brat tells him that she went to bed with Andy. “¡Despiértate, Bobby. A la mujer de su vida estranó otro! (He started by telling her she was the woman of his life and she turns the words back on him telling him someone else got there first. Classy!)
Andy, half in the bag, has come to tell Marlene that Pablo is a cop.
Armando is having lunch with Javier, the former Mon-Sol accountant. Javier has apparently listened to his venal wife’s advice. He tells Armando he wants his job back and a raise. He hints: “If your wife found out about the two sets of books, one for cheating on taxes and hiding the illegal gains, she could use it against you.” Armando: “Are you threatening me?” Javier kind of wilts under his gaze. But this guy’s life expectancy may have gone down drastically if Armando tells Marlene about this conversation.
Chivo tells Andy the whole story about when Pablo shot his brother. [So, Chivo thought Pablo should have let himself be shot in the face instead.] He tells Andy that, although he was in prison, another brother and a buddy went to kill Pablo in revenge. But they only succeeded in killing Pablo’s wife as they came out of the hospital with a new baby.
Adriana is sitting poolside and tells her mother she’s looking at colleges. Eva: “Let me know when you decide, and I’ll put down a deposit.” Adriana is shocked her mother isn’t grilling her. Eva is very cool. “It’s your decision. I’ll respect it, and I want you to respect mine.” Adriana tells her mother that she’s gotten rid of the family they had. [Oh, please! Did she expect her mother to be such a doormat that she’d forgive Armando’s affair with her own niece!] Eva tells her that perhaps when she’s far away, she (Eva) won’t look so much like a bad mother.
The amazingly annoying Betty tells her sounding board Marisol that Armando Montes didn’t come to work because of a death in the family. She’s disgusted because she lost her big chance to make a scene at Mon-Sol.
Sofía continues thinking (amazing). She remembers an encounter with Marlacula at her nastiest. And she remembers what her mother said about Marlene. Evencio has come home and tells Sofía that Marlene considers herself de una alcurnia tal que trata de otros como caca de perros. (Of such a noble lineage that she treats others like dog shit.)
Eva and Soraya are talking on the sofa. Bobby shows up. His manners are getting better. He offers his sympathy to Eva for Carmen’s death and greets Soraya as Doña Soraya and with a big smile. He tells them he’s here to follow the advice of Don Pancho.
Adriana is insufferable to Bobby. He brings her an autographed baseball cap of a soccer star, and she snarls that she hates football. Bobby tells her the truth, that Andy has changed her. She skips school and comes home half drunk. The brat tells him that she went to bed with Andy. “¡Despiértate, Bobby. A la mujer de su vida estranó otro! (He started by telling her she was the woman of his life and she turns the words back on him telling him someone else got there first. Classy!)
Andy, half in the bag, has come to tell Marlene that Pablo is a cop.
Armando is having lunch with Javier, the former Mon-Sol accountant. Javier has apparently listened to his venal wife’s advice. He tells Armando he wants his job back and a raise. He hints: “If your wife found out about the two sets of books, one for cheating on taxes and hiding the illegal gains, she could use it against you.” Armando: “Are you threatening me?” Javier kind of wilts under his gaze. But this guy’s life expectancy may have gone down drastically if Armando tells Marlene about this conversation.
EVA LA TRAILERA – LUNES – Parte 3 de 3
At the equine therapy place Pablo manages to win over Fabiola by telling her he’s not trying to take the place of her father, just to be friends.
Marlene meets with an incredibly venal looking private detective. He tells her about Pablo and his father’s having a detective agency that investigates fraud for insurance companies.
Armando tells the person knocking that they should come in. And calls them mí amor. But it’s not Marlene, but Sofía.
Andy is lounging on the bed in his hotel room when Adriana shows up with a very small suitcase and asks why he didn’t come to get her. [ I get the impression Andy is losing patience with the biggest brat in California.] She tells him she’s come to live with him. Andy: “Are you crazy! Do you want your father to kill me or your mother to file a lawsuit!” But he doesn’t throw her out, and they have sex and presumably some more marijuana, because he tells her to eat something to counteract the effects.
Cinthia, under orders from her husband, has invited the Mogollones to dinner. When the evening arrives she thinks they’ll come in bizarre clothes, but they look very elegant when they arrive. Bobby gives Soraya a warm hug and a big smile to Pancho, surprising Cinthia.
Eva and Pablo are in a kitchen. I’m not sure whose kitchen this is: his or hers. Pablo is cooking and Eva tells him she’s gotten an estuche de monerías in him (a box of tricks). She’s surprised he can cook and admits she can’t. She says she can drive anything, change tires, but cook, not so much.
Sofía wants Armando to tell her what arrangements he and Marlene made with her mother. He says any deal he might have made with Carmen is dead; she can’t threaten him any more because his marriage is over. Sofía says she doesn’t believe the way her mother died, that it was very odd. She mentions the accident when Carmen was leaving the house, what happened in the hospital and that her mother hated Marlene. Armando, impatient: ¡Ya deja de buscarle la quinta pata al gato! (One of my favorite expressions: looking for the 5th leg on the cat or looking for problems where there aren’t any to be found.)
Sofía, jealous, asks if he’s expecting a woman. He bluntly tells her he is and asks her to leave brusquely. [I think he’s making a big mistake getting her as an enemy.] After she leaves he muses: “Who’d want to kill this useless woman?”
At the equine therapy place Pablo manages to win over Fabiola by telling her he’s not trying to take the place of her father, just to be friends.
Marlene meets with an incredibly venal looking private detective. He tells her about Pablo and his father’s having a detective agency that investigates fraud for insurance companies.
Armando tells the person knocking that they should come in. And calls them mí amor. But it’s not Marlene, but Sofía.
Andy is lounging on the bed in his hotel room when Adriana shows up with a very small suitcase and asks why he didn’t come to get her. [ I get the impression Andy is losing patience with the biggest brat in California.] She tells him she’s come to live with him. Andy: “Are you crazy! Do you want your father to kill me or your mother to file a lawsuit!” But he doesn’t throw her out, and they have sex and presumably some more marijuana, because he tells her to eat something to counteract the effects.
Cinthia, under orders from her husband, has invited the Mogollones to dinner. When the evening arrives she thinks they’ll come in bizarre clothes, but they look very elegant when they arrive. Bobby gives Soraya a warm hug and a big smile to Pancho, surprising Cinthia.
Eva and Pablo are in a kitchen. I’m not sure whose kitchen this is: his or hers. Pablo is cooking and Eva tells him she’s gotten an estuche de monerías in him (a box of tricks). She’s surprised he can cook and admits she can’t. She says she can drive anything, change tires, but cook, not so much.
Sofía wants Armando to tell her what arrangements he and Marlene made with her mother. He says any deal he might have made with Carmen is dead; she can’t threaten him any more because his marriage is over. Sofía says she doesn’t believe the way her mother died, that it was very odd. She mentions the accident when Carmen was leaving the house, what happened in the hospital and that her mother hated Marlene. Armando, impatient: ¡Ya deja de buscarle la quinta pata al gato! (One of my favorite expressions: looking for the 5th leg on the cat or looking for problems where there aren’t any to be found.)
Sofía, jealous, asks if he’s expecting a woman. He bluntly tells her he is and asks her to leave brusquely. [I think he’s making a big mistake getting her as an enemy.] After she leaves he muses: “Who’d want to kill this useless woman?”
Eva
Many thanks, novelera, for a wonderfully detailed and helpful recap. Needless to say, I'm delighted with the inclusion of so much useful Spanish. I was especially interested in buscarle la quinta pata al gato; I was more familiar with buscarle tres patas al gato, which means pretty much the same thing.
You've even added to my knowledge of English idioms. I was unfamiliar with "in the bag" meaning drunk. I knew it only to mean "it's a sure thing."
I chuckled over "Sofía continues thinking (amazing)," but it does indeed seem as if she's the only person so far who is putting the pieces together about her mother's death. And I agree, Armando is making a big mistake making her into an enemy and assuming that her brain is filled with nothing but sawdust.
I found the scene where Pablo wins over Fabiola very touching. It says a lot about him.
As soon as Javier started talking to Armando about what he wants, I saw a big bullseye painted on him. Armando almost surely will tell Maracula about the conversation. Bye bye, Javier.
Many thanks, novelera, for a wonderfully detailed and helpful recap. Needless to say, I'm delighted with the inclusion of so much useful Spanish. I was especially interested in buscarle la quinta pata al gato; I was more familiar with buscarle tres patas al gato, which means pretty much the same thing.
You've even added to my knowledge of English idioms. I was unfamiliar with "in the bag" meaning drunk. I knew it only to mean "it's a sure thing."
I chuckled over "Sofía continues thinking (amazing)," but it does indeed seem as if she's the only person so far who is putting the pieces together about her mother's death. And I agree, Armando is making a big mistake making her into an enemy and assuming that her brain is filled with nothing but sawdust.
I found the scene where Pablo wins over Fabiola very touching. It says a lot about him.
As soon as Javier started talking to Armando about what he wants, I saw a big bullseye painted on him. Armando almost surely will tell Maracula about the conversation. Bye bye, Javier.
Eva
I'll try to do a recap of tonight's episode. My guess is that it will be posted late tomorrow morning.
I'll try to do a recap of tonight's episode. My guess is that it will be posted late tomorrow morning.
Eva. Yet another excellent recap, novelera. I too was very touched by the conversation between Pancho and Bobby. My husband was watching and said he wished he had had a father like that--as do I, as would anyone. What a wise, kind, decent man! And Bobby offered Adriana his most prized possession--the cap signed by the great soccer star and she rejected it in a nasty way. Though I'm suspecting they'll get back together at the end of the tn, the best thing that could happen to Bobby is to meet a nice young woman and forget all about Adriana! I kind of thought that when El Chivo was talking about his "brothers," he may have been talking about brothers in crime, at least some of them. He also holds Pablo responsible for the time he spent in jail. It's probably a good thing that Sofía is connecting Marlene and Andy to her mother's death and that Betty, for all her faults, also finds Carmen's death suspicious. I also liked Evencio's comparison of Marlene to a jaguar! And of course it was inevitable that someone else --Marlene!--would find out that Pablo is a private detective specializing in fraud before he could tell Eva (thanks to a few clichéd tn interruptions).
Eva
SpanProf, you're right! Marlene will drip poison in Eva's ear about Pablo being an investigator and their happy early-stage romance will probably turn sour.
SpanProf, you're right! Marlene will drip poison in Eva's ear about Pablo being an investigator and their happy early-stage romance will probably turn sour.
Eva,
thanks so much novelera !!!
I was beginning to wonder why Martin was always hobbling around, then we got to see he was shot in the leg when Pablo's wife was killed.
hmm, I think Betty is checking out Eva's world because as a prosecuting attorney she's looking for someway to get her out of the picture.
thanks so much novelera !!!
I was beginning to wonder why Martin was always hobbling around, then we got to see he was shot in the leg when Pablo's wife was killed.
hmm, I think Betty is checking out Eva's world because as a prosecuting attorney she's looking for someway to get her out of the picture.
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EVA
Wow, everybody's getting involved in the drama; the circles are tightening. El Chivo's out for venganza. If he thinks he's the one with an axe to grind, what does that make Pablo? I mean he had to watch his wife die right in front of him. Betty and Sofía are both are sleuthing around the backstories. And Marlene was dealt a pretty good hand with which to stir up more trouble. I absolutely detest that cliché about not telling the truth in time. I don't think there's been a novela that hasn't cranked that one up. Starting with my very first, Alborada. The hero misses his chance to come clean and then it's too late and the couple that was meant to be spends the next 10 months stubbornly apart, all the while surrounded by a bevy of meddlers who don't wish them well. Aaaarrrrgh! (NOT A SPOILER, I'm just kvetching about the obnoxious predictability of telenovela writers). Maybe they'll surprise us, as they have recently in shows like Bajo.
¡Muchas gracias novelera! Another great read. You give us so much detail and flavor. You completely won me over with Adriana, "the biggest brat in California" Love the dichos you translate for us. Love how heartwarming is the relationship of Pancho and Bobby. Love how the nacos showed up to dinner looking and acting classy. Bobby's pa must be pretty desperate. His ma is a piece of social-climbing work. The "blue-bloods" vs the "red-blooded". I love those Mogollons.
Wow, everybody's getting involved in the drama; the circles are tightening. El Chivo's out for venganza. If he thinks he's the one with an axe to grind, what does that make Pablo? I mean he had to watch his wife die right in front of him. Betty and Sofía are both are sleuthing around the backstories. And Marlene was dealt a pretty good hand with which to stir up more trouble. I absolutely detest that cliché about not telling the truth in time. I don't think there's been a novela that hasn't cranked that one up. Starting with my very first, Alborada. The hero misses his chance to come clean and then it's too late and the couple that was meant to be spends the next 10 months stubbornly apart, all the while surrounded by a bevy of meddlers who don't wish them well. Aaaarrrrgh! (NOT A SPOILER, I'm just kvetching about the obnoxious predictability of telenovela writers). Maybe they'll surprise us, as they have recently in shows like Bajo.
¡Muchas gracias novelera! Another great read. You give us so much detail and flavor. You completely won me over with Adriana, "the biggest brat in California" Love the dichos you translate for us. Love how heartwarming is the relationship of Pancho and Bobby. Love how the nacos showed up to dinner looking and acting classy. Bobby's pa must be pretty desperate. His ma is a piece of social-climbing work. The "blue-bloods" vs the "red-blooded". I love those Mogollons.
EVA LA TRAILERA - MARTES - Parte 1 de 3
The opening scene sets up the major theme of this episode. Pablo tells Eva they still have something to discuss, but he wants to do it later, at a calmer time. Right now, he says, he simply wants her to trust him. She replies: "How could I not trust you if I know perfectly who you are?" Oops.
The scene shifts to a sobbing Sofia. She feels very regretful and alone after her mother's death. She tells Evencio, "My aunt hates me, and with good reason. I feel afraid, and I don't know of what." Evencio tries unsuccessfully to calm her.
There's a great scene at Bobby's parents' house. His insufferable mother has invited Soyaya and Pancho, the "nacos," to dinner. She expects to embarrass them and make them feel inferior and uncomfortable by serving them escargots.
With everyone at the table, her husband asks why she couldn't serve something more "normal." She replies that anyone with even minimal culinary knowledge knows escargots de Bourgogne. "Of course you know them, yes?" she says to Pancho and Soraya. Of course, says Pancho. But he then goes on to say that what she has served aren't escargots from Burgundy but rather something called "helix lucorum." He explains that the French had problems with pesticides and so they wound up importing these similar snails from the Balkans and Turkey. "But I don't want to confuse matters" (tampoco se haga bolas), he adds, "it's easy to mix them up."
Later, Pancho and Robert (Bobby's father) talk and smoke cigars outside. Robert expresses amazement on how much Pancho knows about food and drink and even cigars. Pancho tells him that people often mistake him because he has a face that is lower-class and tame, meek. He confesses that as an adolescent he spent time in prison for murdering someone who wanted to rob me. "I'm meek when I have to be, but tough when people want to rob what is mine." [Ten cuidado, Robert]
A short time later, Soraya is describing to Bobby a beautiful statue, La Pieta, that she saw at St. Peter's Basilica. She says she was deeply moved by the statue, which conveyed perfectly the pain of a mother who was so close to her son and could do nothing for him. Bobby asks if that's the statue by Michelangelo. Soraya isn't sure. La Perra (aka Bobby's mother Cinthia) lights into her, asking how she could not remember that the artist was Michelangelo, the most important artist of the Renaissance. Bobby asks his mother to stop being so disagreeable. (Hurray, Bobby!)
Bobby's father invites Pancho to join him for golf the next day. After Pancho and Soraya leave, Bobby's father takes him aside and asks him to help convince Pancho to invest in Bobby's father's business. "But the business is in bankruptcy," objects Bobby. "Yes" admits his father, "but they don't know this, and an injection of capital from these vulgar people (choriceros) will help us get our lives back on track. Do this to save your family."
The opening scene sets up the major theme of this episode. Pablo tells Eva they still have something to discuss, but he wants to do it later, at a calmer time. Right now, he says, he simply wants her to trust him. She replies: "How could I not trust you if I know perfectly who you are?" Oops.
The scene shifts to a sobbing Sofia. She feels very regretful and alone after her mother's death. She tells Evencio, "My aunt hates me, and with good reason. I feel afraid, and I don't know of what." Evencio tries unsuccessfully to calm her.
There's a great scene at Bobby's parents' house. His insufferable mother has invited Soyaya and Pancho, the "nacos," to dinner. She expects to embarrass them and make them feel inferior and uncomfortable by serving them escargots.
With everyone at the table, her husband asks why she couldn't serve something more "normal." She replies that anyone with even minimal culinary knowledge knows escargots de Bourgogne. "Of course you know them, yes?" she says to Pancho and Soraya. Of course, says Pancho. But he then goes on to say that what she has served aren't escargots from Burgundy but rather something called "helix lucorum." He explains that the French had problems with pesticides and so they wound up importing these similar snails from the Balkans and Turkey. "But I don't want to confuse matters" (tampoco se haga bolas), he adds, "it's easy to mix them up."
Later, Pancho and Robert (Bobby's father) talk and smoke cigars outside. Robert expresses amazement on how much Pancho knows about food and drink and even cigars. Pancho tells him that people often mistake him because he has a face that is lower-class and tame, meek. He confesses that as an adolescent he spent time in prison for murdering someone who wanted to rob me. "I'm meek when I have to be, but tough when people want to rob what is mine." [Ten cuidado, Robert]
A short time later, Soraya is describing to Bobby a beautiful statue, La Pieta, that she saw at St. Peter's Basilica. She says she was deeply moved by the statue, which conveyed perfectly the pain of a mother who was so close to her son and could do nothing for him. Bobby asks if that's the statue by Michelangelo. Soraya isn't sure. La Perra (aka Bobby's mother Cinthia) lights into her, asking how she could not remember that the artist was Michelangelo, the most important artist of the Renaissance. Bobby asks his mother to stop being so disagreeable. (Hurray, Bobby!)
Bobby's father invites Pancho to join him for golf the next day. After Pancho and Soraya leave, Bobby's father takes him aside and asks him to help convince Pancho to invest in Bobby's father's business. "But the business is in bankruptcy," objects Bobby. "Yes" admits his father, "but they don't know this, and an injection of capital from these vulgar people (choriceros) will help us get our lives back on track. Do this to save your family."
EVA LA TRAILERA - MARTES - Parte 2 de 3
After Marlene sees that Eva is still up late at night, she comes to see her. Eva is in her pajamas. Maleficent Marlene (MM) apologizes for the late hour but says she has learned something that can't wait until morning. She's sorry to be the one to tell her this, she says, but Pablo isn't what he seems. He used to be with the police and now he's a private detective. Of course, Eva doesn't believe her, but MM goes on to say that he's a manipulator, and that he has made her fall in love with him to aid his investigation of Mon-Sol.
The very next scene has Martin urging Pablo to tell Eva the truth ASAP. If she finds out without your telling her, how will she ever believe that your love for her is genuine, he asks. (Yup! Martin's watching this novela.)
There's another scene with Martin in a cafe/bar where he is playing a game (dominos?) with someone named Faustino (he looks like the guy from whom Marlene sought information about Pablo, but I'm not sure). I failed to understand a lot of what was being said. I think Faustino accuses Martin of cheating. Martin tells him he should learn how to lose. At some point, Faustino brings up an investigation in the police department when Martin retired. Faustino asks Martin what he was afraid of, "were you afraid they'd find out how many times you didn't do things by the book to get your justice?" (¿de que se dieran cuenta de cuantas veces saltaste el manual por cause de tu justicia?!). Faustino also says that Martin shot a kid in the suburbs (or perhaps the slums--suburbios can be either). Martin angrily replies that he didn't shoot anyone. When Faustino says that the kid was left an invalid and was perhaps not even armed, Martin lunges at him and falls on the floor. He is taken to a hospital (almost surely to TOHILA, The Only Hospital in Los Angeles).
A devastated Eva tries to call Pablo but gets "this line is not in service." She then gets dressed and goes to Pablo's house, but everyone is at the hospital. She then returns home to find Fabiola very upset. Eva calms her and says she will sleep with her. Eva has nightmares. She dreams of coming upon Armando and Sofia, and she dreams of Carmen asking her to forgive her for all the harm she has caused, asking her to forgive Sofia, and warning her that "she" is not Eva's friend, Eva should flee from "her." Marlene is not named, but the reference is pretty clear, even to Eva, I think.
Marlene comes to see Armando at his apartment, bringing champagne to celebrate her victory over Eva, who will be spending the worst night of her life.
When Pancho and Soraya return home from the Monteverdes, they see Arnulfo on the ground half out the door. They take him to the hospital. Soraya tells him he has a choice: stay at the hospital without morphine (which she is cancelling), or come back with them. But to come back with them, he'd have to confess. He says he wants to come back with them, but he won't confess now, only later. I'm not sure what he says after that, something about seeing the face "a la calaca." ???
Sofia remembers seeing El Chivo with Andy at the hospital and that El Chivo was the nurse. She suspects that they killed her mother. She tells Evencio that her mother was killed, but he tries to talk her out of it. "Don't talk nonsense" (no digas disparates), he replies. She's adamant. She then goes to see Eva, but Eva isn't there, and Berta tells Sofia that she's not welcome and she should leave.
After Marlene sees that Eva is still up late at night, she comes to see her. Eva is in her pajamas. Maleficent Marlene (MM) apologizes for the late hour but says she has learned something that can't wait until morning. She's sorry to be the one to tell her this, she says, but Pablo isn't what he seems. He used to be with the police and now he's a private detective. Of course, Eva doesn't believe her, but MM goes on to say that he's a manipulator, and that he has made her fall in love with him to aid his investigation of Mon-Sol.
The very next scene has Martin urging Pablo to tell Eva the truth ASAP. If she finds out without your telling her, how will she ever believe that your love for her is genuine, he asks. (Yup! Martin's watching this novela.)
There's another scene with Martin in a cafe/bar where he is playing a game (dominos?) with someone named Faustino (he looks like the guy from whom Marlene sought information about Pablo, but I'm not sure). I failed to understand a lot of what was being said. I think Faustino accuses Martin of cheating. Martin tells him he should learn how to lose. At some point, Faustino brings up an investigation in the police department when Martin retired. Faustino asks Martin what he was afraid of, "were you afraid they'd find out how many times you didn't do things by the book to get your justice?" (¿de que se dieran cuenta de cuantas veces saltaste el manual por cause de tu justicia?!). Faustino also says that Martin shot a kid in the suburbs (or perhaps the slums--suburbios can be either). Martin angrily replies that he didn't shoot anyone. When Faustino says that the kid was left an invalid and was perhaps not even armed, Martin lunges at him and falls on the floor. He is taken to a hospital (almost surely to TOHILA, The Only Hospital in Los Angeles).
A devastated Eva tries to call Pablo but gets "this line is not in service." She then gets dressed and goes to Pablo's house, but everyone is at the hospital. She then returns home to find Fabiola very upset. Eva calms her and says she will sleep with her. Eva has nightmares. She dreams of coming upon Armando and Sofia, and she dreams of Carmen asking her to forgive her for all the harm she has caused, asking her to forgive Sofia, and warning her that "she" is not Eva's friend, Eva should flee from "her." Marlene is not named, but the reference is pretty clear, even to Eva, I think.
Marlene comes to see Armando at his apartment, bringing champagne to celebrate her victory over Eva, who will be spending the worst night of her life.
When Pancho and Soraya return home from the Monteverdes, they see Arnulfo on the ground half out the door. They take him to the hospital. Soraya tells him he has a choice: stay at the hospital without morphine (which she is cancelling), or come back with them. But to come back with them, he'd have to confess. He says he wants to come back with them, but he won't confess now, only later. I'm not sure what he says after that, something about seeing the face "a la calaca." ???
Sofia remembers seeing El Chivo with Andy at the hospital and that El Chivo was the nurse. She suspects that they killed her mother. She tells Evencio that her mother was killed, but he tries to talk her out of it. "Don't talk nonsense" (no digas disparates), he replies. She's adamant. She then goes to see Eva, but Eva isn't there, and Berta tells Sofia that she's not welcome and she should leave.
EVA LA TRAILERA - MARTES - Parte 3 de 3
Armando thinks about Sofia's telling him that Carmen's death was not from natural causes. He asks Marlene whether she hated Carmen. Marlene admits that she did, just as he did. He then tells her about Sofia's coming to see him and telling him that she does not believe her mother died of natural causes. Perhaps intentionally, Marlene reacts jealously to the fact that Sofia came to see him. "I don't share," she tells him. The issue about Carmen's death is dropped, at least for now.
When Soraya returns home after seeing Arnulfo, she comes upon Adriana and Sofia fighting. Soraya and the chauffeur separate them, but then Soraya with her ESP senses something very evil threatening Sofia. She makes the sign of the cross and urges Sofia to be very careful. "The black cloud is darker than ever and is hovering (cerniendo) over you."
Eva comes to Pablo's house again. She overhears Martin say something on the phone about an investigation, and she says to him "So it's true, you and Pablo are private investigators." Pablo comes into the room, and Eva tells him how much he has hurt her. He tries to explain that he intended to tell her but the time was never right. She's not buying that. He had time to take her to bed, but not to tell her the truth. She slaps him and says she doesn't want to see him ever again. [A rather abbreviated account of a much longer scene.]
Marlene calls Betty, whose full name is apparently Elizabeth Cardenas. She leaves a message on her answering machine, letting her know she has something very interesting to tell her about Pablo Contreras, and asks Elizabeth to call her back. [How did Marlene find out about Betty? I don't remember.]
Marlene then meets with Armando at his apartment. They kiss, and as they do so, the door opens and Sofia enters. Somewhat shocked, she asks "Your new woman is this traitor?" End of episode. [For those keeping track, add two to the Slap Count. Adriana slapped Sofia, and Eva slapped Pablo.]
Armando thinks about Sofia's telling him that Carmen's death was not from natural causes. He asks Marlene whether she hated Carmen. Marlene admits that she did, just as he did. He then tells her about Sofia's coming to see him and telling him that she does not believe her mother died of natural causes. Perhaps intentionally, Marlene reacts jealously to the fact that Sofia came to see him. "I don't share," she tells him. The issue about Carmen's death is dropped, at least for now.
When Soraya returns home after seeing Arnulfo, she comes upon Adriana and Sofia fighting. Soraya and the chauffeur separate them, but then Soraya with her ESP senses something very evil threatening Sofia. She makes the sign of the cross and urges Sofia to be very careful. "The black cloud is darker than ever and is hovering (cerniendo) over you."
Eva comes to Pablo's house again. She overhears Martin say something on the phone about an investigation, and she says to him "So it's true, you and Pablo are private investigators." Pablo comes into the room, and Eva tells him how much he has hurt her. He tries to explain that he intended to tell her but the time was never right. She's not buying that. He had time to take her to bed, but not to tell her the truth. She slaps him and says she doesn't want to see him ever again. [A rather abbreviated account of a much longer scene.]
Marlene calls Betty, whose full name is apparently Elizabeth Cardenas. She leaves a message on her answering machine, letting her know she has something very interesting to tell her about Pablo Contreras, and asks Elizabeth to call her back. [How did Marlene find out about Betty? I don't remember.]
Marlene then meets with Armando at his apartment. They kiss, and as they do so, the door opens and Sofia enters. Somewhat shocked, she asks "Your new woman is this traitor?" End of episode. [For those keeping track, add two to the Slap Count. Adriana slapped Sofia, and Eva slapped Pablo.]
Eva. Great recap, Juanita! I also loved the way Pancho gets the upperhand of Bobby's adoptive mother about escargots. Evidently Pancho is a former master chef, and in his case, choricero may be literal if the start of his fortune was some kind of sausage factory or new type of sausage. And while Bobby's "mother" may know that Michelangelo sculpted La pieta, Soraya understands its essence. Soraya and Pancho are wealthy, intelligent, curious and well-traveled. It will be interesting to see if Pancho actually invests in Robert's failing business. (though how someone could lose money on LA real estate beats me). That was Faustino in the bar with Martín. He is yet another resentido, and mean to boot. Armando is starting to suspect Marlene of murder--I suspect that feeling will grow. I loved Eva's skeptical look when Marlene was first telling her about Pablo's profession. And I thought the fistfight between Adriana and Sofía was a bit overdone! Perhaps to attract a male audience?
Eva,
wow, such a nice recap Juanita!
Armando questioning Marlene about Carmen's death, gives us a "he's not so bad, is he?" moment.
and Marlene is pretty quick at jumping on Armando about Sofia, "you didn't sleep with her, did you?"
I can almost see that cloud over Sofia, she is doing a fine job connecting the dots, but no one wants anything to do with her.
oh a, I think Eva took Fabiola to school hoping to see Pablo, but Diego says he left for the office, "office?" Eva asks, and so that's where she confronts Martin and Pablo.
where is Armando staying, or rather, how is it Sofia can just walk right in?
and I think what Arnulfo was babbling about is that he won't confess until the last moment when he is face to face with death, and I'm getting curious as to what all he has to confess, and wondering if maybe he thinks that once he does they'll kill him, but I'm starting to catch on to Soraya's form of justice, thinking that him confessing will cleanse his soul.
wow, such a nice recap Juanita!
Armando questioning Marlene about Carmen's death, gives us a "he's not so bad, is he?" moment.
and Marlene is pretty quick at jumping on Armando about Sofia, "you didn't sleep with her, did you?"
I can almost see that cloud over Sofia, she is doing a fine job connecting the dots, but no one wants anything to do with her.
oh a, I think Eva took Fabiola to school hoping to see Pablo, but Diego says he left for the office, "office?" Eva asks, and so that's where she confronts Martin and Pablo.
where is Armando staying, or rather, how is it Sofia can just walk right in?
and I think what Arnulfo was babbling about is that he won't confess until the last moment when he is face to face with death, and I'm getting curious as to what all he has to confess, and wondering if maybe he thinks that once he does they'll kill him, but I'm starting to catch on to Soraya's form of justice, thinking that him confessing will cleanse his soul.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 1:28:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 1:28:00 PM EST
Eva
but then again with Arnulfo, does Soraya want the taped confession for proof as to how she lost Bobby, perhaps for him to see?
but then again with Arnulfo, does Soraya want the taped confession for proof as to how she lost Bobby, perhaps for him to see?
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 1:34:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 1:34:00 PM EST
Eva
Muchas gracias, SpanProf, for your kind words and interesting comments. I hadn't thought about the possible literal meaning of choricero, but you're right, it could do double duty here. I'm really curious to see how Bobby will handle Robert's request. Torn between two fathers and two sets of values.
Muchas gracias, SpanProf, for your kind words and interesting comments. I hadn't thought about the possible literal meaning of choricero, but you're right, it could do double duty here. I'm really curious to see how Bobby will handle Robert's request. Torn between two fathers and two sets of values.
Eva
Wow, deb, what fascinating comments! Thanks for your explanation of what Arnulfo may be saying to Soraya. Interesting idea about Soraya's belief about confessing, and also your suggestion that perhaps she wants the taped confession for proof of how she lost Bobby. I think you may well be right.
I was/am under the impression that Pablo's "office" was in his house, and that's where Eva went looking for him and found him.
And yes, I almost commented in the recap about the ease with which Sofia was able to enter Armando's apartment. One of the standard telenovela clichés is overhearing someone because of a partly open door. In this novela, the writers seem to have done away with partly opened doors and just have people come in through unlocked doors.
Wow, deb, what fascinating comments! Thanks for your explanation of what Arnulfo may be saying to Soraya. Interesting idea about Soraya's belief about confessing, and also your suggestion that perhaps she wants the taped confession for proof of how she lost Bobby. I think you may well be right.
I was/am under the impression that Pablo's "office" was in his house, and that's where Eva went looking for him and found him.
And yes, I almost commented in the recap about the ease with which Sofia was able to enter Armando's apartment. One of the standard telenovela clichés is overhearing someone because of a partly open door. In this novela, the writers seem to have done away with partly opened doors and just have people come in through unlocked doors.
Terrific recap, Juanita. You got it all and with style! I found it significant that Marlene didn’t tell Armando about Pablo being a private investigator; just that she’d scored a big hurt on Eva. His blood is bound to run cold when he finds that one out. I’m not sure Marlene even knows about all the illegal activities. Until the big split and impending divorce, Marlene was only working Eva and was pretending to Armando that she was incondicional with Eva.
I have loved the Mexican attitude toward death since forever. When I was in Mexico a couple of years ago I bought a terrific catrina. It's a female skeleton dressed up in a fancy dress with a huge decorative hat. Mine is ceramic, but they come different ways. For about 5 years a while back I went to San Francisco's Day of the Dead parade in the Mission District, a Latino neighborhood that is now being gentrified something fierce. I painted on my skeleton face or wore a mask and a fancy black dress and black hat with a sinister veil.
So:
La pelona, la calaca, la huesuda y patas de cabra are some of the names with which Mexicans ironically refer to death. A calaca is a skeleton and so is una huesuda (bony one). I haven’t heard of patas de cabra before.
I have loved the Mexican attitude toward death since forever. When I was in Mexico a couple of years ago I bought a terrific catrina. It's a female skeleton dressed up in a fancy dress with a huge decorative hat. Mine is ceramic, but they come different ways. For about 5 years a while back I went to San Francisco's Day of the Dead parade in the Mission District, a Latino neighborhood that is now being gentrified something fierce. I painted on my skeleton face or wore a mask and a fancy black dress and black hat with a sinister veil.
So:
La pelona, la calaca, la huesuda y patas de cabra are some of the names with which Mexicans ironically refer to death. A calaca is a skeleton and so is una huesuda (bony one). I haven’t heard of patas de cabra before.
Eva
Forgot to say Eva in my comment above! Also, I am very disappointed with Eva for not giving Pablo even a second to explain and for believing Marlene's crap about he'd seduced her and even arranged to save her life when the box almost fell on her in order to get information for his investigation.
Forgot to say Eva in my comment above! Also, I am very disappointed with Eva for not giving Pablo even a second to explain and for believing Marlene's crap about he'd seduced her and even arranged to save her life when the box almost fell on her in order to get information for his investigation.
EVA
Gracia Juanita. That was fab. Just got caught up and will go and read it again. Cracking up over Maleficent Marlene & TOHILA. I think they must have modeled her on the original Maleficent. Now, how on earth could Soraya threaten Arnulfo with canceling his morphine. He's in a hospital. The doctors write the orders there. Are we to understand that he promises to capitulate only at the very last moment? "la calaca" is the grim reaper. I think it is onomatopoetic. You see lots of them on el Día de los Muertes. Still at work, will get back later if there's a chance. Just wanted to voice my appreciation. It was beautifully written.
Gracia Juanita. That was fab. Just got caught up and will go and read it again. Cracking up over Maleficent Marlene & TOHILA. I think they must have modeled her on the original Maleficent. Now, how on earth could Soraya threaten Arnulfo with canceling his morphine. He's in a hospital. The doctors write the orders there. Are we to understand that he promises to capitulate only at the very last moment? "la calaca" is the grim reaper. I think it is onomatopoetic. You see lots of them on el Día de los Muertes. Still at work, will get back later if there's a chance. Just wanted to voice my appreciation. It was beautifully written.
Eva
Too much coffee today, novelera? I'd like to add that I've always found it significant (or creepy) that death is feminine. La Santa Muerte cult is a very interesting phenomenon. Feminine as well and seen with a scythe and a globe. Here is what Wikipedia has to say:
In the Mexican and U.S. press, the Santa Muerte cult is often associated with violence, criminality, and the illegal drug trade. She is a popular deity in prisons, both among inmates and staff; and shrines dedicated to her can be found in many cells. The majority of believers are poor people who are not necessarily criminals, but the public belief in her by several drug traffickers and small numbers of other petty criminals has indirectly associated her with crime, especially low-level organized crime.
Too much coffee today, novelera? I'd like to add that I've always found it significant (or creepy) that death is feminine. La Santa Muerte cult is a very interesting phenomenon. Feminine as well and seen with a scythe and a globe. Here is what Wikipedia has to say:
In the Mexican and U.S. press, the Santa Muerte cult is often associated with violence, criminality, and the illegal drug trade. She is a popular deity in prisons, both among inmates and staff; and shrines dedicated to her can be found in many cells. The majority of believers are poor people who are not necessarily criminals, but the public belief in her by several drug traffickers and small numbers of other petty criminals has indirectly associated her with crime, especially low-level organized crime.
Eva
Many thanks, novelera and , for your kind words and very interesting remarks, especially about la calaca and other terms associated with death.
novelera, I was interested in your mention of San Francisco's Mission District undergoing "fierce" gentrification. I confess that I'd love to be among the gentrifiers, since my son and his family live in California. But alas, my husband and I are not gentry enough; we are priced out of just about all San Francisco neighborhoods. So we continue to shovel snow and maintain that we love having four seasons here on the East Coast. :-)
Many thanks, novelera and , for your kind words and very interesting remarks, especially about la calaca and other terms associated with death.
novelera, I was interested in your mention of San Francisco's Mission District undergoing "fierce" gentrification. I confess that I'd love to be among the gentrifiers, since my son and his family live in California. But alas, my husband and I are not gentry enough; we are priced out of just about all San Francisco neighborhoods. So we continue to shovel snow and maintain that we love having four seasons here on the East Coast. :-)
FATMAGUL:
I'm having withdrawal symptoms...gosh dern you, Pope! (Lord, don't strike me down for that...)
I'm having withdrawal symptoms...gosh dern you, Pope! (Lord, don't strike me down for that...)
Eva
Novelera, I forgot to mention that I too found it interesting that Marlene didn't tell Armando about Pablo's being an investigator. Is she hoping that the fraud Pablo uncovers will send Armando off to prison but somehow leave her with all the goodies? Or is it simply that having secrets from Armando feels like power?
And I too was disappointed and a bit surprised that Eva didn't give Pablo any time to try to explain himself. Each time he tried, she just cut him off. I realize that she feels immensely hurt and betrayed, but with both Soraya and Carmen (in the dream) warning her about Marlene, you'd think she would be more suspicious about MM's motives for telling her about Pablo's deception. But then again, we're only at the beginning of the novela.
Novelera, I forgot to mention that I too found it interesting that Marlene didn't tell Armando about Pablo's being an investigator. Is she hoping that the fraud Pablo uncovers will send Armando off to prison but somehow leave her with all the goodies? Or is it simply that having secrets from Armando feels like power?
And I too was disappointed and a bit surprised that Eva didn't give Pablo any time to try to explain himself. Each time he tried, she just cut him off. I realize that she feels immensely hurt and betrayed, but with both Soraya and Carmen (in the dream) warning her about Marlene, you'd think she would be more suspicious about MM's motives for telling her about Pablo's deception. But then again, we're only at the beginning of the novela.
Fatma
VIvi...You are not alone. I actually revisited a couple of older episodes just to stay in touch with the show. I have not liked the way MEstafa has evolved in this show but by going back a few epis....I'm reminded the he and Fatma met in primary school....right? So that means, he's about the same age as she....and at 19 and 20....he would not be at his most mature and rational stage...and very vulnerable to the influences of others....especially his parents. Not saying I'm on his side now...but now I can see his point of view and how he made these bone headed decisions that he now regrets...because never stopped wanting Fatma.
And Muka.....I'm reminded that she is jealous and bitter of her life and how things turned out when she was unwed and pregnant. Misery loves company so she was glad when this unfortunate event happened to Fatma. She now had reason to look down on her, and put her down....and make her feel bad so she could feel good about herself. OH yeah....I hate Muka :>)
Nett
VIvi...You are not alone. I actually revisited a couple of older episodes just to stay in touch with the show. I have not liked the way MEstafa has evolved in this show but by going back a few epis....I'm reminded the he and Fatma met in primary school....right? So that means, he's about the same age as she....and at 19 and 20....he would not be at his most mature and rational stage...and very vulnerable to the influences of others....especially his parents. Not saying I'm on his side now...but now I can see his point of view and how he made these bone headed decisions that he now regrets...because never stopped wanting Fatma.
And Muka.....I'm reminded that she is jealous and bitter of her life and how things turned out when she was unwed and pregnant. Misery loves company so she was glad when this unfortunate event happened to Fatma. She now had reason to look down on her, and put her down....and make her feel bad so she could feel good about herself. OH yeah....I hate Muka :>)
Nett
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 8:24:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 8:24:00 PM EST
FATMAGUL:
Nett, although they grew up together, I think Mustafa is a few years older than Fatma, so around the same age as the rapists. My biggest problem with Mustafa ( before he became a murderer and a stalker) is that he's always been self centered. From the moment he heard about the rape, it was about how it affected HIM, not about Fatma.
Nett, although they grew up together, I think Mustafa is a few years older than Fatma, so around the same age as the rapists. My biggest problem with Mustafa ( before he became a murderer and a stalker) is that he's always been self centered. From the moment he heard about the rape, it was about how it affected HIM, not about Fatma.
Fatma
Vivi....MEstafa looked so young and petite (in a flashback to the playground)...I thought he was suppose to be the same age as Fatma but thx for the clarification. Yes....I remember him breaking down and crying on the boat and then his family didn't make things any easier on him. ...and that slimy snake Munir spun his web of lies very well.
In my earlier post, I expressed my disappointment that he had known Fatma all their childhood and knew her character and yet he believed the lies. It's one thing to be fed a pack a lies that you shouldn't believe....and it's another thing to have to stand up to a life changing event with virtually no support because his parents told him to forget about her.
I do agree he acted selfishly whether encouraged to or not. He has been weak in this way.
Nett
Vivi....MEstafa looked so young and petite (in a flashback to the playground)...I thought he was suppose to be the same age as Fatma but thx for the clarification. Yes....I remember him breaking down and crying on the boat and then his family didn't make things any easier on him. ...and that slimy snake Munir spun his web of lies very well.
In my earlier post, I expressed my disappointment that he had known Fatma all their childhood and knew her character and yet he believed the lies. It's one thing to be fed a pack a lies that you shouldn't believe....and it's another thing to have to stand up to a life changing event with virtually no support because his parents told him to forget about her.
I do agree he acted selfishly whether encouraged to or not. He has been weak in this way.
Nett
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 8:42:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 8:42:00 PM EST
FATMAGUL:
I don't think it's by many years. Just a couple. He was definitely taller than her in the playground flashback. Yeah, how do you know Fatma for even a few weeks, much less a lifetime, and not know it would be impossible for her to betray trust in that way? He's an idiot.
I don't think it's by many years. Just a couple. He was definitely taller than her in the playground flashback. Yeah, how do you know Fatma for even a few weeks, much less a lifetime, and not know it would be impossible for her to betray trust in that way? He's an idiot.
Eva la trailera... epi 17, wednesday,
part 1
Pablo follows Eva out of the office, pleads his case, 5 minutes she gives him, he talks about Mon-Sol stealing from themselves and collecting the insurance, and he is sure she had nothing to do with it, and... but Eva is totally lost in how vulnerable she was in her life to not have seen who he really is, she replies with where can I file a fraud claim against what you have done to me.
Betty ponders Marlene's phone message, either she wants Pablo or hates Eva, Marisol bets on the later, Betty will get back with her but first wants to know who Marlene Palacios is.
Pancho is getting tired of Arnulfo, thinks he's lying, wants to tie him to a tree and let the buzzards pick on him, poor Buzzards would probably die says Soraya, who wants the confession for proof to Bobby, that they didn't just give him away, that she didn't choose the life she was forced into, Pancho thinks they won't need it.
was Marlene just celebrating the good times, well Sofia is here now, and puts together that it was her that led Eva to their love nest, causing the breakup with Armando, what? and goes on to point the finger at her for Carmen's death, what? because she saw Andy and a bad looking orderly leaving Carmen's room, what? Armando is spinning,
and Sofia threatens an autopsy, she leaves desperately looking for help, calling Eva, but Eva's not in the mood to talk to her, driving the wrong way on a one way street.
and Armando zeros in on Marlene, did you kill her, Marlene is quick to deflect but Armando isn't buying it, (could he be a good guy) alright, alright, I had her killed, Marlene confesses (why doesn't Soraya have a camera on this lady) Armando is disgusted, Marlene turns on him and calls him a coward, you are not man enough for me anymore, he wonders what will happen when she gets what she wants, will she get rid of him, I know Sofia very well, but who are you Marlene?
Andy wants Adriana to swim, she's busy working on their future, a school in NYC, Andy says she'll love it there.
Armando insists he's not a murderer, as Marlene suggests getting rid of Sofia, Armando has about had it until Marlene brings up Pablo which brings Armando back in, he is a private investigator, que? as Armando makes that leap, he seduced Eva to get information from her, poor Eva, Marlene blows a gasket.
Bobby stops by to collect Pancho for his golf lesson, gets a warm hug from both Soraya and Pancho (who have figured out that Robert wants to steal their money and will try to use Bobby as bait)
Pablo is doing some deep thinking as well, how did Eva find out? hmm, and all roads lead to Marlene, when he took her to the movies in an out of the way place and Adriana and Andy were there, when he went to the office to meet her when no one would be around, Armando, Adriana, and Eva were all there, and...
who are you Marlene, as Pablo gets with JJ to do some research, JJ runs down an old news article, Marlene and husband and Andy had a real estate business where they were laundering money, her husband took all the blame before killing himself, exonerating Marlene.
part 1
Pablo follows Eva out of the office, pleads his case, 5 minutes she gives him, he talks about Mon-Sol stealing from themselves and collecting the insurance, and he is sure she had nothing to do with it, and... but Eva is totally lost in how vulnerable she was in her life to not have seen who he really is, she replies with where can I file a fraud claim against what you have done to me.
Betty ponders Marlene's phone message, either she wants Pablo or hates Eva, Marisol bets on the later, Betty will get back with her but first wants to know who Marlene Palacios is.
Pancho is getting tired of Arnulfo, thinks he's lying, wants to tie him to a tree and let the buzzards pick on him, poor Buzzards would probably die says Soraya, who wants the confession for proof to Bobby, that they didn't just give him away, that she didn't choose the life she was forced into, Pancho thinks they won't need it.
was Marlene just celebrating the good times, well Sofia is here now, and puts together that it was her that led Eva to their love nest, causing the breakup with Armando, what? and goes on to point the finger at her for Carmen's death, what? because she saw Andy and a bad looking orderly leaving Carmen's room, what? Armando is spinning,
and Sofia threatens an autopsy, she leaves desperately looking for help, calling Eva, but Eva's not in the mood to talk to her, driving the wrong way on a one way street.
and Armando zeros in on Marlene, did you kill her, Marlene is quick to deflect but Armando isn't buying it, (could he be a good guy) alright, alright, I had her killed, Marlene confesses (why doesn't Soraya have a camera on this lady) Armando is disgusted, Marlene turns on him and calls him a coward, you are not man enough for me anymore, he wonders what will happen when she gets what she wants, will she get rid of him, I know Sofia very well, but who are you Marlene?
Andy wants Adriana to swim, she's busy working on their future, a school in NYC, Andy says she'll love it there.
Armando insists he's not a murderer, as Marlene suggests getting rid of Sofia, Armando has about had it until Marlene brings up Pablo which brings Armando back in, he is a private investigator, que? as Armando makes that leap, he seduced Eva to get information from her, poor Eva, Marlene blows a gasket.
Bobby stops by to collect Pancho for his golf lesson, gets a warm hug from both Soraya and Pancho (who have figured out that Robert wants to steal their money and will try to use Bobby as bait)
Pablo is doing some deep thinking as well, how did Eva find out? hmm, and all roads lead to Marlene, when he took her to the movies in an out of the way place and Adriana and Andy were there, when he went to the office to meet her when no one would be around, Armando, Adriana, and Eva were all there, and...
who are you Marlene, as Pablo gets with JJ to do some research, JJ runs down an old news article, Marlene and husband and Andy had a real estate business where they were laundering money, her husband took all the blame before killing himself, exonerating Marlene.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 3:39:00 AM EST
: Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 3:39:00 AM EST
Eva la trailera... epi 17, wednesday,
part 2
Adriana dumps her NY plans on the sad Eva, who is ok with it, but Adriana mentions an apartment, no, no, you'll live in a dorm, and Eva will go there with her to get her settled in, Eva's no dummy.
and as Marlene and Armando are still at it, Eva calls wanting Armando to come by, and he comes running, which wasn't helping Marlene's day at all.
so Armando the rooster slides back into the coop, he does the customary politeness with Fabiola, and he and Eva go to her bedroom to talk privately, of course he knows she called him because she wants him back after what Pablo did to her, that talking over Adriana's plans was just an excuse, and forces a kiss on her, it was a struggle but Eva gets free adding that never, never, will they ever get back together, and they really go at it as heard all over the house, (and I was surprised to hear that Eva knows about Armando and the accountant fudging the books and has proof, (I guess Marlene won't have to do away with him and his wife), Eva must have gone ahead with the audit) and she vows to take Armando for everything, and here we have Armando changing into Marlene right before our eyes as he vows to kill her, but by this time the family is banging on the door, coming to Eva's aid, even Adriana, did he hurt you?
Marlene arrives home and gives Andy and Chivo the Sofia job.
Armando's next, runs to Marlene, in her little house, hell yes he's in, anything to get back at that perra Eva, and he's ready for some nooky too, but Marlene sends the puppy on his way.
Pablo has dropped in on Soraya, have you come to tell me that Marlene betrayed Eva, how did you know asks Pablo, not important, just tell me what you learned, Soraya says, ooo and she zooms over to see Eva.
next, Betty pops in on Marlene, how did you get my address, it's who I am, says Betty.
the all alone Sofia pops in to the police station, she wants her mothers body exhumed, oh we don't do that here, you have to go... with the death certificate... and a completed form... and... and... wow, so Sofia drags herself home only to find Andy on her doorstep, (where is Evencio) ut oh, as he comes at her, telling her to run, clicking away on her wobbly heels out into the street, is that Chivo in that car coming at her....
part 2
Adriana dumps her NY plans on the sad Eva, who is ok with it, but Adriana mentions an apartment, no, no, you'll live in a dorm, and Eva will go there with her to get her settled in, Eva's no dummy.
and as Marlene and Armando are still at it, Eva calls wanting Armando to come by, and he comes running, which wasn't helping Marlene's day at all.
so Armando the rooster slides back into the coop, he does the customary politeness with Fabiola, and he and Eva go to her bedroom to talk privately, of course he knows she called him because she wants him back after what Pablo did to her, that talking over Adriana's plans was just an excuse, and forces a kiss on her, it was a struggle but Eva gets free adding that never, never, will they ever get back together, and they really go at it as heard all over the house, (and I was surprised to hear that Eva knows about Armando and the accountant fudging the books and has proof, (I guess Marlene won't have to do away with him and his wife), Eva must have gone ahead with the audit) and she vows to take Armando for everything, and here we have Armando changing into Marlene right before our eyes as he vows to kill her, but by this time the family is banging on the door, coming to Eva's aid, even Adriana, did he hurt you?
Marlene arrives home and gives Andy and Chivo the Sofia job.
Armando's next, runs to Marlene, in her little house, hell yes he's in, anything to get back at that perra Eva, and he's ready for some nooky too, but Marlene sends the puppy on his way.
Pablo has dropped in on Soraya, have you come to tell me that Marlene betrayed Eva, how did you know asks Pablo, not important, just tell me what you learned, Soraya says, ooo and she zooms over to see Eva.
next, Betty pops in on Marlene, how did you get my address, it's who I am, says Betty.
the all alone Sofia pops in to the police station, she wants her mothers body exhumed, oh we don't do that here, you have to go... with the death certificate... and a completed form... and... and... wow, so Sofia drags herself home only to find Andy on her doorstep, (where is Evencio) ut oh, as he comes at her, telling her to run, clicking away on her wobbly heels out into the street, is that Chivo in that car coming at her....
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 3:45:00 AM EST
: Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 3:45:00 AM EST
EVA
Wow, thanks deb. Your characterizations are so quick and astute, just a few well-chosen words, and boom, you recreated the scene, "...but Eva's not in the mood to talk to her, driving the wrong way on a one way street."; "...but Marlene sends the puppy on his way"
...could Armando be a good guy? that's the thing. He seems to go whichever way the wind blows, just so long as he can hitch himself up with a good looking gal. He'd probably plead innocence out of ignorance. What? Who me? It was all her idea!
I love how Adriana can't make up her mind between film or industrial design. She has never shown even an inkling of interest in a creative discipline. Normally you don't just waltz in to those highly competitive departments without a portfolio. Even for undergrad. Or was she just blowing smoke at Eva? Eva sure poured water on her plans. An apartment? in NYC? this isn't the '70s.
Poor Sofia, great casting and acting; she's gone from despicable to heroic. I predict she'll survive Chivo's attack.
Wow, thanks deb. Your characterizations are so quick and astute, just a few well-chosen words, and boom, you recreated the scene, "...but Eva's not in the mood to talk to her, driving the wrong way on a one way street."; "...but Marlene sends the puppy on his way"
...could Armando be a good guy? that's the thing. He seems to go whichever way the wind blows, just so long as he can hitch himself up with a good looking gal. He'd probably plead innocence out of ignorance. What? Who me? It was all her idea!
I love how Adriana can't make up her mind between film or industrial design. She has never shown even an inkling of interest in a creative discipline. Normally you don't just waltz in to those highly competitive departments without a portfolio. Even for undergrad. Or was she just blowing smoke at Eva? Eva sure poured water on her plans. An apartment? in NYC? this isn't the '70s.
Poor Sofia, great casting and acting; she's gone from despicable to heroic. I predict she'll survive Chivo's attack.
Eva
Wow, deb, what a marvellous recap! In just a few skillfully chosen words, you say it all, including some things I had missed when I watched last night. Actually, after reading LXV's insightful comment, I was tempted to say simply "What she said." I agree with almost everything she said, especially your ability to recreate the scene. Your style is so graceful and so seemingly effortless. I especially liked the breathless paragraph with all the what?s, ending in "Armando is spinning." And also "how did you know asks Pablo, not important, just tell me what you learned, Soraya says, ooo and she zooms over to see Eva."
I can't decide whether Chivo will succeed in killing Sofia. It looked to me as if she saw him in sufficient time to get out of the street. But perhaps that's just wishful thinking. If she does die, Evencio is the only one (other than the perps and Armando) who knows that she's convinced her mother was murdered. I think even Evencio doesn't know she saw Andy and El Chivo at the hospital, though I think she did indicate to Evencio that she suspects Marlene. Actually, the more I think about it, the more interesting the novela becomes if Sofia does die and the other characters have to puzzle out who killed her and why. Eva knows that Sofia tried to call her (guilt guilt guilt). Pablo knows that Marlene is not to be trusted and is probably a crook. Soraya knows that she sensed a very dark cloud hovering over Sofia not long before she died. The person behind the desk at the police station knows that a young woman came to the station to get an order to exhume her mother's body--if that same person behind the desk sees Sofia's corpse....
Wow, deb, what a marvellous recap! In just a few skillfully chosen words, you say it all, including some things I had missed when I watched last night. Actually, after reading LXV's insightful comment, I was tempted to say simply "What she said." I agree with almost everything she said, especially your ability to recreate the scene. Your style is so graceful and so seemingly effortless. I especially liked the breathless paragraph with all the what?s, ending in "Armando is spinning." And also "how did you know asks Pablo, not important, just tell me what you learned, Soraya says, ooo and she zooms over to see Eva."
I can't decide whether Chivo will succeed in killing Sofia. It looked to me as if she saw him in sufficient time to get out of the street. But perhaps that's just wishful thinking. If she does die, Evencio is the only one (other than the perps and Armando) who knows that she's convinced her mother was murdered. I think even Evencio doesn't know she saw Andy and El Chivo at the hospital, though I think she did indicate to Evencio that she suspects Marlene. Actually, the more I think about it, the more interesting the novela becomes if Sofia does die and the other characters have to puzzle out who killed her and why. Eva knows that Sofia tried to call her (guilt guilt guilt). Pablo knows that Marlene is not to be trusted and is probably a crook. Soraya knows that she sensed a very dark cloud hovering over Sofia not long before she died. The person behind the desk at the police station knows that a young woman came to the station to get an order to exhume her mother's body--if that same person behind the desk sees Sofia's corpse....
Eva
Will Eva be shown tonight? I think it will, but in today's Washington Post, there's a big ad for a Clinton/Sanders Town Hall telecast on MSNBC and Telemundo tonight at 9 PM Eastern Time. OTOH, I vaguely recall hearing about this on Telemundo and their saying that it would be at midnight Eastern Time, 11 PM Central Time. It's happening in Las Vegas, so the three hour discrepancy might mean that the newspaper ad is wrong, and that the 9 PM is Pacific Time. But having something like this airing at midnight Eastern Time also seems wrong. Does anyone have more info about this?
Will Eva be shown tonight? I think it will, but in today's Washington Post, there's a big ad for a Clinton/Sanders Town Hall telecast on MSNBC and Telemundo tonight at 9 PM Eastern Time. OTOH, I vaguely recall hearing about this on Telemundo and their saying that it would be at midnight Eastern Time, 11 PM Central Time. It's happening in Las Vegas, so the three hour discrepancy might mean that the newspaper ad is wrong, and that the 9 PM is Pacific Time. But having something like this airing at midnight Eastern Time also seems wrong. Does anyone have more info about this?
EVA—JuanitaYou said what I feared, but didn't want to admit—that Sofia will not survive Chivo's attack. I'm in denial. I feel sorry for her, but everything you listed points clearly to her untimely demise (plot-wise).
Eva. Loved your recap deb--very stream of consciousness, with your usual astute observations. I loved how Pancho had already figured out Robert's schemes, as well as Robert's attempts to involve Bobby. A very smart guy, easily able to get the better of a jerk like Robert. Once again, Soraya is so sweet--this time with Pablo, as well as with Eva--and very smart. She has already figured out Marlene and can separate fact from supposition: "Let's divide this in parts"'. A logical mind worthy of Aristotle or St. Thomas. That's a rare gift. During the golf lesson there are more wise words from Pancho. He thinks that Bobby should go with his passion when it comes to a profession. I see Bobby on the USC soccer team (or a lesser school academically if Robert is right about his mediocre school performance) and then with a professional career in soccer. Sofía's best chance for survival is that El Chivo doesn't seem like the world's most talented assassin. Andy is giving off some danger signals to Adriana--he wants "complete liberty" when they are living in that apartment in New York.
Eva
thanks guys!
this was a tough one to recap because there was so much info being thrown out a midst the emotion and intrigue, Marlene who should have been totally defeated managed to turn things around once again, and Armando, wow, so passionate, and almost a good guy, I can see why Eva fell for him, and Sofia, so all alone in her suffering.
thanks guys!
this was a tough one to recap because there was so much info being thrown out a midst the emotion and intrigue, Marlene who should have been totally defeated managed to turn things around once again, and Armando, wow, so passionate, and almost a good guy, I can see why Eva fell for him, and Sofia, so all alone in her suffering.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 12:39:00 PM EST
: Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 12:39:00 PM EST
TELEMUNDO...
it looks like "La Casa de al Lado" will be replacing "Los Herederos del Monte" in the morning slot, on March 1.
this is Gabriel Porras at his head tilting best, with Maritza Rodríguez and Catherine Siachoque in the same novela, and Miguel Varoni in the thick of things.
it looks like "La Casa de al Lado" will be replacing "Los Herederos del Monte" in the morning slot, on March 1.
this is Gabriel Porras at his head tilting best, with Maritza Rodríguez and Catherine Siachoque in the same novela, and Miguel Varoni in the thick of things.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 12:40:00 PM EST
: Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 12:40:00 PM EST
Eva. And btw, if the corpses start to pile up, all dead the same way, and all related to each other somehow, shouldn't the police start to get suspicious?
Eva
SpanProf, there's "should" and there's "will" :-) . My guess is that the only police officer who's likely to get suspicious is ex-officer Pablo Contreras.
SpanProf, there's "should" and there's "will" :-) . My guess is that the only police officer who's likely to get suspicious is ex-officer Pablo Contreras.
Eva. Juanita: :) Yep, Telenovelaland has its own logic--not necessarily the same as the real world's. :) Along with its own medical rules, its own hospital (with very lax security) and its own easily upset main characters (at least in the early episodes). :)
Eva
Ah, yes, SpanProf, its own police station: TOPSILA. I wonder whether we'll see Cristóbal there before the novela is over. :-)
Ah, yes, SpanProf, its own police station: TOPSILA. I wonder whether we'll see Cristóbal there before the novela is over. :-)
Eva
Sorry, guys, no time to even read Deb's recap today. More awful transition to new accounting software at work.
And tonight I have a birthday dinner, so won't be able to do a recap.
Sorry, guys, no time to even read Deb's recap today. More awful transition to new accounting software at work.
And tonight I have a birthday dinner, so won't be able to do a recap.
EVA @novelera Feliz cumpleaños, if it's yours. And have a great time this evening (despite the work-related stress).! We'll soldier on without your always wonderful contributions.
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