Wednesday, March 30, 2016
Pasión y Poder Martes 3/29/16 #113
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It sure is poetic justice that Erick's health is at risk for real. Hopefully, this will be the start of the much deserved anvil he needs to get.
So Regina went from being disgusted at Erick for the rape to shedding a tear for him when she finds out about his health? What?!
I liked how Agustín brought up how if Erick had been locked up for The Ratt's extermination then so much suffering could have been avoided. He's right about that.
As Mauricio noted, it is FINALLY the start of Erick's anvil that his health is at risk. As others have said, I don't think he should die because death is too easy for him. Nina still backs him but when the truth comes out about the kidnapping, I hope she has a revelation. And her statement to Erick about throwing him out if he raped Connie seems to be a foreshadowing of his fate.
Yes Agustin was the voice of reason and yeah Art didn't want to hear it, but his bribe is hurting the family.
As I watched Nina's expressions w/Regina/Erick, it seems to me that she is doubting Erick but defending him aloud to others because she can't face the reality that she has supported/defended a son that is even more depraved than she thought. She is trying to convince herself that he really hasn't done the things he's being accused of, even though she knows in her heart he did. Denial.
I understand Arturo's desire to save Dani, but unfortunately she is of age to make her own choices. You can't help an addict unless they want to help themselves. Sadly, I know this from a very personal ongoing experience. The addict will not seek help until they hit rock bottom, then they must do it for themselves. No one else. Addiction is a sickness that requires lifelong treatment and I fear that most of Dani's triggers are probably in the Montenegro household. Arturo stomping to the beach and dragging her like a child, chasing her all over and demanding her into it will only make it worse. Arturo needs to learn a bit of self control himself. The better choice would be to be firm and cut off her financial support and have her leave the house. Offer to be there for her if and when she is ready for help to get clean.
Now that Eladio knows about Dani's drug use will he be the one to put the pressure on her to go to rehab or lose her job? If that happened that might truly send her over the edge. Her job and it appears David are the most important things to her. I think Eladio could be the hero on this one. Plus he needs another + on his bracket, to counter participating in the cover up of Mateo. ;-)
Regina's compassion for Erick, but none for Dani who is also in peril is mind boggling. Now is the time for Regina to step up, tell her parents what she knows about Daniela's drug use/hotel room fiasco and urge Dani to get help. Petra might be able to urge her as well. She has seen Dani's bloody nose.
I was glad that Miguel got some punches in on Errick, but he's still a creepy sister in law stalker. Consuelo and Miguel are so unappealing to me.
Marintia/Caridad...blah blah. Do they ever talk about anything else besides Franco and Eladio?
Gaby/Julia...blah blah blah. Do they ever talk about anything else besides Franco and Eladio?
I think the four of them should start a quilting circle.
Delilah: Miguel could be in prison for awhile. Aguie was right about if Erick had been convicted of whacking the Ratt, none of this would be happening!
Karen: Arturo & Purple Lips still in denial over Erick's crimes.
Daniela is likely going to end up dead before too long!
Mauricio: Eladio will get more ammunition to use against Arturo!
What is needed here is for a specialist to identify that Erick's current medical issue is due to something left from the coma. Except for any shenanigans Nina might pull with her pet judge that should help get Miguel off the hook because there is no reason to think he would have known the risks when he hit him. Franco is ultimately the one responsible for anything that will ensue from this but -- as usual -- that won't be known for a while.
Daniela's problems are of her own making. If this story were taking place in the 1960s the knowledge of drugs was far less, but we all now know a lot more about the effects of drugs and alcohol. And current drugs are more intense and therefore more dangerous. Nina's point that drug use will first impact her career should have been enough to make her do what it takes, but she is just as stubborn as everyone else in her family.
Not everyone who comes from a dysfunctional family becomes as messed up as Daniela is. She is a narcissist like her mother but chooses to get attention in worse ways. David was emotionally abused and rejected by Eladio but he has become a mostly responsible adult who cares about people other than himself. Daniela? Not even close. David is right in what he tells her about not becoming dependent on other people but it is going to take more than a shrink to straighten her out. She has to want to, as you said, and I'm guessing that she doesn't. Like all narcissists, it's always somebody else's fault.
DNA would be the only reason for Regina to feel any pity for Daniela, since she was the main target of Daniela's venom.
More in a bit so this post doesn't get too long.
Consuelo (from most people): Prostitute mother/raised in a brothel before being in the orphanage Revealed That she left the house after coming home the night of the murder and was MIA during the rest of the party. Status quo; Raped by Erick Revealed before a judge and Augustin, now known to the family
Arturo (from his family): That he had a great love before Nina plus his secret meetings with Julia (First now known but not the second... yet) Details of the second not known yet; bribing of witness to not identify Erick the night that Orkin came to call Known to Erick and Augustin, suspected by Eladio; that Humberto told him that Franco was Eladio's bastard. see below; that Franco tried to sell out GLA to him (possibly known by Augustin, but no one else) Status quo; that he will give worthless shares to Humberto (known only to Augustin) Status quo
Humberto: That he told Arturo about Franco. Now known to Eladio and Franco
– New (from everyone): That he is blackmailing Franco for 20% of his current assets for keeping silent about the sale of the factory.
Eladio (from Julia): All his affairs and crooked deals (she now knows about the first but not the second) Some secrets still pending; his entire past (possibly included in foregoing)
Erick (from Consuelo): His affair with the Rat Revealed; (from everyone): his hiring of thugs to beat up Franco Status quo: (from everyone) what really happened the night that Orkin came to call Status quo (known only to Pedro, but the nurse could ID him): That he is behind the kidnapping scheme Status quo; That Nina bribed the judge to rule in his favor in the custody case currently under suspicion by Miguel, Consuelo, Arturo, Regina, and Augustin That he raped Consuelo Revealed before judge and Augustin during custody hearing
New: Bribing doctors to say he was more seriously injured by Miguel than he was.
Gabriela :(from Julia): That she knew six months before the wedding that Franco is Eladio's son Status quo
Franco: That he was cheating on Gaby with Marintia and now the baby is born Currently known only by Caridad and Eladio ; (from Julia): That he knew six months before the wedding that he is Eladio's son; (from everyone) his hiring of thugs to cut the brakes of Erick's car (same thug as the one who beat him); tried selling GLA out to Arturo (but got caught); bribing Angeles for inside info on GM (possibly known to Eladio) the latest confirmed by Augustin to Arturo; the rest status quo
Clara (unknown to everyone, including her): Origin Status quo
Daniela (from everyone except Nina and Erick):: That she is boinking Assmore Currently suspected by Augustin and Arturo; David seems to have forgotten; (from everyone): That she knows about Marintia and Franco and the baby Status quo
Nina: Details of her past beyond her brief acting career. Status quo (known only to Fanny): that she has been meeting with Eladio Status quo that she bought off the judge to rule in Erick's favor in the custody battle currently under suspicion by Miguel, Consuelo, Arturo, Regina, and Augustin; Status quo
Marintia (known only to Caridad, Eladio, Franco, and Daniela): Pregnancy and birth of son; Paternity of child Now known to Angeles and Marcos, otherwise status quo
Angeles (originally known only to Franco): That she is selling out GM to Franco Now known to Arturo and Augustin
Revised on 3/29/16 following episode 113.
Quilting Circle? Nice. Maybe there's a spot for them here at Caray.
Thanks for this richly detailed expansive recap. As always, stellar... very well done.
You reported that Erick's Dr. said:
"...You've suffered a cerebral []..."
Filling in the blank for you:
"...You've suffered a cerebral conmoción..."
which means cerebral concussion.
Actually it's probably more severe than that since he see's evidence of actual damage on the MRI. It's more likely that he has either a cerebral contusion or cerebral laceration, without getting into the fine points of brain injury classification.
As for Miguel:
"...there is no reason to think he would have known the risks when he hit him."
I don't know the law in Mexico, but here in Texas, that would make little if any difference. The fact that actual harm was done by the crime is the important factor.
As for Erick purposely not resisting... well, that is actually more damning for poor Miguel.
Carlos
"Like all narcissists, it's always someone else's fault." Yeah, Amazing the way that mindset works...or rather doesn't work. What a twisted reality. The rallying cry is "It's not me; it's you."
What a flaming mess . This dark, bleek show is definitely harshing my mellow. GAH... Make it stop. I need some happy. Jorge and the WTF family are starting to look very good to me.
Ruedas is in on Erick's scheme to destroy Miguel. He deserves a Karmageddon for that because this goes way beyond professional confidentiality.
Kirbo, the Secrets List or anything similar needs to be started at the outset of a series and updated as needed. It helps with the Karmageddon discussions. With current writing being what it is it would be easy to forget some of this stuff.
"Status quo (known only to Fanny): that she has been meeting with Eladio..."
I'd say pretty much all of Mexico knows about this since photos of them together appeared in that tabloid.
Carlos
"...Erick's scheme to destroy Miguel..."
If you think about it, Miguel's doing a pretty good job of that on his own.
Carlos
You always write well, UA, and thoroughly...but my favorite line this recap was very succint. And powerful.
Consuelo didn't need another headache but she got one.
It's certainly raining and pouring on our wistful Consuelo.
Not sure how the writers are going to fabricate a happy ending for her, but it does sound like Erick will have to exit this mortal coil for her to have any chance at all. In fact, we may need a mass exodus off the planet--so many of these folks are so twisted up.
For now, thanks as always for a clear, complete, gracefully written recap. Busy day today with out of town guests, hospital visits and teaching...but hope to watch the episode eventually!
This is the one time in watching the actor playing Erick as he talked to the doctored, that I seemed to feel it is a very concerted effort on the actors art to play Erick very much as a young child/bully. The glee in knowing he could set up his brother, the lack of any realization of right or wrong, almost a childish demeanor in getting his point across. Erick is very much an emotionally and intellectually stunted child in a grown man's body. I"m surprised at this point we haven't seen him hold his breath until he turned blue.
There is sadness and realization that is starting to come in Nina's demeanor and expressions that she can't just point at Arturo anymore, though verbally she does, in how messed up her children are. Kudos to the actress for starting to show the cracks in her makeup and attempts at keeping it always together.
I think Erick is a goner, and should be, to be honest, but I don't think they would off Daniela...that would be a bit much to have two children die. I do think she will fall deeper into trouble before she gets her act together.
What I do find interesting is that they are very much showing David and Gina still very much connected to their "others" and the relationships seem to be getting stronger, even with Dani's drug use, then weaker. The only thing I could maybe see was David telling Dani she needs to NOT latch unto someone for support, so if she gets herself together, she'll go off on her own and free him. How Gina handles her tween buddy is beyond me.
Would they let Erick die from his ongoing injuries because there would have to be some really creative writing to get Miguel off the hook. Not that TN's haven't pulled bogus saves out of their hat before. Legally, Miguel screwed up no matter how evil Erick was/is and evidence could be put out that he was well aware of Erick's health state to begin with. This will be interesting how they play this.
The whole Franco/Gaby/Mumsy/Mistress thing makes my head hurt.
Daisynjay
Daisynjay
If I gain nothing more from this show in my next life I'll know never to date the brother or sister of an ex. I mean, in this one I was never tempted, having healthy boundaries, a large field of prospects and a low "just naw" threshold but just in case.
My mother liked to repeat Maxims..."Patience is a virtue"..."Pretty is as pretty does"..and "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face" ...which apply to these sorry folks.
Err is most assuredly a baby chimp in a gorilla's body.
I noticed that David and Jorge are both standing by their novias. Dani is clnging to Dave like a barnacle. Let's see how that goes. Jorge has fallen smack in the middle of these crazy rich people. Good luck with that.
Your conversation translations, especially for such a momentous episode, were marvelous and greatly appreciated.
While Arturo cannot hope to rectify a lifetime of paying insufficient attention to his children in the span of one day, he did atone for some slights certainly.
Trying to help Dani with as much compassion as he could muster was heartening. Putting the fear of God into Erick was far too long in coming. Realizing his eldest was hurting and ignored and needed him gave some, small comfort.
A family in crisis, crumbling before our eyes.
“If he did anything like that to Consuelo I swear I'd fight if I had to throw him out of the house and never see him again". These words uttered by Nina's pale lips seemed totally believable. I do agree though that Nina has appeared to be a bit more human and dare I say it, actually vulnerable?
daisy, I totally agree with your perceptive comments on Erick especially "Erick is very much an emotionally and intellectually stunted child in a grown man's body. I"m surprised at this point we haven't seen him hold his breath until he turned blue".
Karen, as you pointed out Augustin is certainly "the voice of reason". What a shame his sage advice is being discarded. I am very glad he is in the wings waiting for Gaby once her life unravels.
"Dani is clnging to Dave like a barnacle". Yes, Susanlynn, she certainly is. And David has no one to blame but himself.
Urban, you continue to amaze and delight. Thank you.
Diana
Nina's anvil will be 2 of her children dying* or permanently incapacitated with the third possibly leaving town*/** and no contact with her grandchild. Or death***.
Daniela's anvil will be death by OD or permanently locked up in a care facility due to an overdose****.
Erick's anvil will be death or coma due to the brain injuries. Erick's death or disability is the only way Consuelo will get her child back again since the custodial parent will no longer be able to care for him.
I think Miguel will remain behind bars until the end of the show because that's the only way he will stop coming around Consuelo after everyone has told him to stop coming around Consuelo. But after he is release, he and Consuelo will leave Mexico forever.
In addition, I think Franco and/or Marintia will die or be jailed and Gaby will end up adopting Mateo.
Arturo's inconvenient children will be out of the way for him to pursue Julia** but I don't think she will end up with him in the end.
*If David & Regina are endgame, Daniela will have to be taken out of the picture by death or permanently locked up in a care facility.
**David mentioning working/going overseas in a recent episode. I wonder if David & Regina will leave town together for a fresh start? Regina is STILL withholding Dani's hotel overdose from Arturo & Nina; I can see both of them turning their backs on Regina if Dani dies of an overdose and they learn Regina knew of Dani's drug problem the entire time and never told them. Then Regina would leave town...with or without David.
***Nina mentioned the only way she'd leave the house is by death. But now the house is hers. Will she die so somehow Arturo can get his family house back?
****If Dani dies of an overdose, I predict Assmore gives her some purposely bad drugs. That could lead to Assmore's anvil, being locked up in a Mexican prison.
To have a true love, you need to use and mean more than one verb. Besides I want\need you, you have to say and mean I like\love\respect you. Most of these characters are stopping at "want\need."
Example: One particular POTUS, who should remain unnamed for now, keeps blaming his predecessor for the economic disasters & horrible foreign policy in the Asian Pacific & Latin America.
I do NOT see her getting redeemed anytime soon because the Clock on her life is ticking very fast: TICK, TOCK....
Anon207: I'm hoping that Regina & David reconcile, but what's going to happen with Jorge the Social Climber ?
I 100% agree with you that Daniela's days are numbered!
Love is not always enough. Regina is silly and folds too easily. Any little thing, she just gives up. What if David & Regina had been married when she caught Arturo kissing Julia? Would she have filed for divorce from David? From her previous actions I believe she would. David needs a woman that will fight for their love & work on staying together and that woman is not Regina.
David "thinks" Daniela is that woman but she's not either. She's a drug head and a liar and she needs to get herself together for herself, not David or her parents. Should Dani survive, I'd like to see her leave town & make a fresh start for herself. She's never going to get herself together as long as she's around her family.
Regina should not take David back because he's been with her sister and she will always have in the back of her mind that David prefers Daniela. She's never going to be able to get rid of that feeling. This isn't Dani's fault or Nina's fault; this is something between David & Regina. Plus, getting back with David tells David that she is fine with being sloppy seconds and a clean up woman for Dani.
Regina should move to Queretaro (?) and concentrate on her career and David should move to San Diego and concentrate on his career. If they should meet 10 years down the road and resume their romance, fine. But now? No.
Dani - I have a soft spot for her. She has a problem, she doesn't want to admit it because right now she is functioning. She's insecure, she has daddy issues...blah, blah, blah!
Everyday, I'm wondering how this TN is going to end! Normally you can see something coming, but I have no idea!
On one of the comments here - OMG!! Really?? But I will go no further.
It would be one thing if Arturo finally browbeat Regina into breaking up with David but neither Arturo, Nina, Julia or Eladio told or forced Regina to break up with David.
But none of that happened. Regina told Nina she did it out of loyalty to her but Nina didn't ask her to do that and wanted to know WHY Regina would do that.
I think Regina is too young and silly to be seriously tied down to anyone and it's best she just focus on herself and her career for the next ten years. Date Jorge or don't, but she needs to let the David ship sail far far away. No one to blame but herself.
I remember on Yo No Creo, Max was facing serious jail time depending on the extent of Daniel's injuries and I suspect the same law is in effect here with Miguel.
As for Dani, I will sit next to you Kendra, I have developed a soft spot for her as well. I am holding out hope that she is going to come out better from all of this and be the surprise character who prevails, but I am totally prepared for her demise.
I was glad to see David recognizing Daniela's attempt at emotional blackmail as such. He's actually try to set some boundaries for her. It's always interesting to listen for querer vs. amar, and amor vs. cariño. Linguistically, he's treading very carefully. It won't help, of course. His past actions speak much louder than his (weaselly) words.
Well drat. How can the Die Erick Die table cheer when a turn for the worse means disaster for Consuelo and Miguel?
Nina is having a harder and harder time believing in her boy. As Karen says, her words about what would be intolerable have to be seen as foreshadowing.
I did notice that David told Dani as he was reassuring her, "We are a team (equipo)." I was thankful for that word.....it implied help like a football "team" navigating her crisis, but not permanence like a relationship. She needs to earn permanence if that relationship continues.
The writers have busily painted themselves into a corner with their character shenanigans, the result being that there is not one pairing that is palatable, not even one. Ok, Clara, but six months for that?
Great comments today. I haven't had too much time to comment lately but I read the recaps everyday, yesterday's had me cracking up, thank you Cydnerella!
NovelaMaven, you are so right, our DIE ERICK DIE chants just got shut down last night. I never wanted the chimp to die because like many, I prefer villains to suffer in prison and get back what they dished out times a million.
I don't think Erick will die, this health crisis will just serve to keep Miguel in jail and drive up the drama. My prediction is that Arturo and Nina are foreshadowing that they will disown Erick and that's where his anvil will come from. Eladio will put him in jail for the rat's murder.
I agree with Anon207 that Daniela has to go if David and Regina are endgame. I'm predicting she will die from an overdose or by accident, not sure but her death will allow Arturo to disown Erick and for David and Regina to get back together. I don't really care for that pairing either, I'm just basing my predictions on typical TN storylines. I do hope Daniela dies though, she's useless. She's a liar, a drug addict, blames everyone for her problems and I could care less about her.
I've been missing Julia these past episodes, she hasn't had many scenes lately. I wish Gaby would learn the truth already so she can be put out of her misery! I'm sick of her and Julia always talking about the same thing over and over.
I'm feeling sorry for Arturo, the problems just don't stop for the Montenegro family. Eladio hasn't had much screen time in these couple of episodes either, I want to see him do more scheming. Looking forward to tonight!
Daniela looked at Nina with fear and at Arturo with hatred. That line was strong and powerful.
She (Gaby) was fooled once more. This line jumped out at me as well. How many times will Franco get away with deceiving Gaby? She's a good person, and doesn't deserve a guy like Franco. Feeling sorry for Dani? How about some sorry for Gaby, she never hurt anyone.
They (Dani y David) hugged but she clearly looked less than happy.-- Several have given an opinion as to Dani--Regina's y David's fate. I'm not going there. What tricks do the writers have up their sleeves? It's any ones guess.
Urban---This caught my eye as well---Of course it's my (Franco's) police insider who
once gave me all the details on the death of Monserrat. What were those "details?"
I'm sure that those details will come out but will we have to wait until the shows final hour?
So Erick had/has a pre existing condition from when he was previously hospitalized.
Wouldn't the good doctor (I know that Dr. Carlos would have) told Erick and the family about this possible danger?---Miguel didn't know about it but I'll bet that he won't be released right away.
Yesterday people were saying that they were glad that they didn't have to see or put up with X--Y--Z--again, (a few of the cast members were mentioned) or at least for that episode anyway. Last night was a mess of characters but I at least was glad that I didn't have to witness Arturo pursuing Julia again. I'm really getting tired of Arturo pressuring Julia with a full court press. Good Grief! Give Julia a chance to catch her breath at least.
Miguel's fate tonight? I can't wait as I am not so anti Miguel as half of the patio seems to be.
must see tv
the gringo
“I'm sorry, Arturo, but if Erick were in prison for Monserrat's death –”
And yet at the time he stood by and remained silent as Arturo suborned the perjury that allowed Erick to go free.
Carlos
Oh I hope Erick doesn't die because I want him to rot in a cell! I do worry that Miguel will be in jail for a long time. At least his blows to Erick's face didn't cause the problem though may possibly worsen it.
Gaby deserves all that she gets. She seems to do nothing but mope at home. Does she even work at the foundation anymore? Does she ask Franco about the shoe factory? Why didn't she step up to be a co-CEO or VP with him if she didn't think she could run it by herself?
It is interesting how much more sympathy Regina has for Erick than Dani... but I think sisters are harder on each other than their brothers. If Erick dies I don't think Dani will. But if Dani dies then I think Erick may go to jail. I don't see the writers killing off both of them. Poor Nina would be left with her least fav, Regina.
I wish Eladio wasn't stooping to Franco's level and bringing Art's kids into the fight by posting the article. Will Erick and Eladio ever find out that Franco sabotaged the car causing Erick's head injuries? If Erick finally dies from complications can Franco be charged with murder? hmmm.
Holding out hope Franco and Mari die, while naked together, so Gaby finally knows the truth. Also hope Gaby lays into Caridad at some point for acting like a snake and lying and covering for Franco and Mari.
Kudos to David. I haven't like him much lately, but he was spot-on making Dani leave and stressing she shouldn't depend on anyone for her happiness. I see these two moving into the friend zone. Still don't want to see David back with Regina though.
Caridad irks me so much. Worse mother-in-law ever. It's nuts that she and Eladio think Gaby is better off with lying Franco.
At least Miguel has an entire cell to himself.
If Art still has the stomach to pursue Julia after all this turmoil with his kids, I'll be shocked.
the gringo
I fear princess Regina playing with David again, because she can, will spoil it for Dani in the end.
"Miguel's fate tonight?"
I'm very interested in your opinion of what his fate should be. If you recall, during Corazón Indomable you and I had differing opinions about what the fate for Miguel (who shot and killed Eusebio as he was attempting to rape Miguel's wife Lucía) should be. I thought that Miguel should get off and you thought that he should go to prison for murder. This is different in that Erick has already raped Coni and Miguel beat him in retaliation. Should Miguel go to prison (for murder if Erick croaks) or get off? I'm wondering if you will be consistent even though you are more sympathetic toward this Miguel than you were the other. Actually in this instance I think that Miguel deserves to go to prison.
Carlos
I totally agree with your last comment about Dani. You express very well the point I was trying to make yesterday about Arturo's impulsive knee jerk reaction in dragging her back to DF and coercing her into drug testing. While I know she needs help, it was not an emergency situation, and I think that a more measured thoughtful approach would have been much preferred.
Carlos
I said it a long time ago, but I don't think that the writers would be so cruel as to kill off more than one of the Montenegro children. I think they are now playing with us about which one will bite the dust by giving Erick this sudden issue with the concussion. The doctor said that this normally corrects itself, and this situation gave Erick an opportunity to have Miguel arrested. It also could be payback for all his own evil.
We also are aware that Assmore will likely do something nasty to Daniela. She may die or end up with some sort of permanent damage from tainted cocaine or something worse. She could end up in a video like this if she doesn't end up dead. Since she has been so high on herself and being a model and her ongoing thing trying to prove that she is a better woman than Regina it would be fitting for her Karmageddon to be alive but to lose her beauty.
"If Erick finally dies from complications can Franco be charged with murder?"
I especially like this question. I'm guessing that both Franco and Miguel can be legitimately charged with Erick's murder. A trial with both as defendants would be very fascinating.
Carlos
Arturo's got it coming from all sides. See, his tsunami is coming in the form of his messed up family. And his is still using julia as his reason for being in turmoil. Blaming david for his screwed up daughters problems and accusing him of being like his father? Really? When is he going to take responsiblilty for his train wreck of a family? I don't feel sorry for him at all. He's a very selfish man.
And augustin was right, If he hadn"t interfeared with due process of law that spoiled rat brat would be in prison instead of miguel, whom I like alot better than spoiled erick.
That doctor should loose his licences. Erick doesn't want anything bad to happen, what does he think is going to happen after the web he is spinning is complete? He going to he the one caught in it.
Dani Dani Dani.........there are no words. Well there are but why bother.
If julia want people to stop thinkin her and artty are together she ought to put an ad in the paper on the front page. "Arturo and I are "NOT" gether". Call TMZ, they do for everything else.
I don't think shes going to want to have anything to do with him when she finds out hes been lying and manipulating things too.
And the mess continues.
I'm sure you noticed that the addiction doctor that was at Casa Montenegro as an advisor for the family perfectly echoed your idea, it is impossible to coerce an adult into treatment unless they are willing. I actually thought Arturo's heart was in the right place, but guys like him never ask or take professional advice.
Also, if Arturo had any kindness in his soul at all, he would't have taken that victory lap, toxicology report in hand, around David's apartment........disgusting.
Gringo, agree with your comment of 4:21.
For David and Franco it's about Eladio's favor and -- for Franco -- the money;
For Miguel and Erick it's about Consuelo's favors and -- for Erick -- the money.
It could be argued that the ongoing conflict between Miguel and Erick is worse than that of the G-L boys because of Nina as Wicked Stepmother. Thus far Franco hasn't tried to kill David and for a while he actually had a shot at edging him out of Eladio's favor by working at his side when David wanted to be independent. Erick worked at Arturo's side but learned nothing from him while Franco learned all the wrong stuff from his parental unit.
Arturo cut Erick too much slack at the office out of his own sense of personal inadequacy or guilt while Eladio was always cracking the whip because it suits his ego. Both approaches are wrong. The lack of boundaries -- being their sons' bosses as well as fathers -- compounds the problem.
Olise
Since she has said she doesn't want to have children for a long time maybe she will get back together with David five or more years from now when she's ready. Certainly five years away from most of her family would help that. However, I certainly wouldn't recommend she take him back after he got re-involved with Daniela.
Carlos, since Mexican trials aren't conducted the same way as ours I don't think that is likely. However, due to the relatively unusual nature of this series I can see both Erick and Daniela alive at the end. He will be in prison where not even Nina will visit him while she will be in a madhouse as a result of her drug use, with or without losing her looks.
That talk he gave was all too familiar. I can't count the number of times I've been that same position in trying to help families with this problem over the years. You might be surprised with how often the anger that a family feels over its predicament is initially turned on the Dr. trying to advise them.
♡Nina,
I'm sorry, I don't understand, why do you think that Erick's Dr. should lose his license?
Carlos
Seem like something about some oath or something, ever heard of that Dr. Carlos?
from the tallest tree. Rapists? Shoot'em dead. Those methods would undoubtedly cut down on crime but would also lead to an uncivilized society and possible anarchy, plus the possibility of innocent people getting killed when all the facts aren't known. At the very "least" Miguel could have used his rifle as a club, beat the living stuffing out of Eusebio and then dragged him off to the sheriff where he would have gotten a lengthy jail sentence. You however felt that in this case, murder was fine because Eusebio was attempting rape and wasn't a nice man.
Everyone now knows our past disagreement so now what about this Miguel?
The good gringo's view is this---I don't know what Mexican law says about assault either aggravated or un-aggravated. However either way I would guess that's it's a crime. (I am not a lawyer) Miguel was certainly angry about Consuelo's rape but having said that, Miguel's action was an assault and he should spend some, limited jail time (not 10/12/15 years) for it. You asked what if Erick dies because of it?
Erick doesn't look to be any where near death, but you asked what if? That would get
complicated as Erick had a pre-existing condition that Miguel was not aware of. If it could be proven that Miguel did know about it, that would be another story and the lawyers would have to fight that one out in court. As however it stands right now, the attack was an assault with witnesses present I think and that does mean some jail time. First offence, probably a light sentence but that would be up to the judge. I would feel sorry for both Consuelo and Miguel though. Carlos you asked and that is my opinion.
the gringo
The Hippocratic Oath is an oath historically taken by physicians. It is one of the most widely known of Greek medical texts. In its original form, it requires a new physician to swear, by a number of healing gods, to uphold specific ethical standards. Of historic and traditional value, the oath is considered a rite of passage for practitioners of medicine in many countries, although nowadays various modernized versions are often used.
the gringo
"...as you remember, Eusebio "unarmed" was trying to run away and Miguel shot and killed the unarmed attacker."
I grant you that it's been awhile, so to help refresh your memory I submit this. Eusebio doesn't appear to me to be running away. We can still disagree on what is appropriate punishment (if any) but the facts are not quite as you describe them.
Whether or not Erick has a preexisting condition that Miguel is unaware of, at least here in Texas and likely in Mexico as well, if Erick dies as a result of a crime that Miguel has committed, Miguel would be guilty of murder or at the least manslaughter.
Carlos
After Art's health scare and running around trying to deal with his errant offspring, I would be amazed if he has the energy or desire to continue to stalk Julia. If he does...wow, Art...incredible ability to focus on the goal! To me , Art looks sick and tired of it all...you know the guy is thinking FML. It's easier stalking people and not taking no for an answer when you are in your twenties without an empire to run , a wife to divorce, and kids who are in one hot mess after another. When you are burning and yearning in your twenties, you don't have many distractions. At this point, I think Art might just want some peace and quiet. Dealing with his kids' problems has probably dampened his libido. Julia Whoandwhy? Relax, Art, get a tee time..have a beer...watch some B-ball.
"Relax, Art, get a tee time..have a beer...watch some B-ball.
I'm cracking up. Excellent advice.
Carlos
I'll watch the link but I have to run to the store before it gets too late. I will read all of the late comments later.
Question---Do you think that Sandy in TN would want to come to Frida's with us if she knew that you have joined the vigilantes? HaHa don't answer that--just kidding.
must see tv
the gringo
OT...To all the Caray Outlander fans... the leads are going to be on the TV Guide cover next week, and the leading man will be on James Cordon's Show tomorrow night at 12.30. Just saying.
I'm ready for Outlander. Got my Cutty Sark. Got my Drambuie. Got my ice. Are you ready?
Carlos
Seriously, he could probably use a good shrink by the end of this story. One who can ask the hard questions and help so he will be fit for a relationship. Whether that is Julia or someone else is another issue.
I am usually not a fan of time jumps in the last five minutes so I hope this can be resolved well enough.
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