Caray, Caray!

I'll be looking forward to watching the new TN's!
 

Silvana

If I remember correctly, I wimped out of recapping the opening episode of Eva because I didn't think I'd understand it well enough to make sense of it. Well, my Spanish is still very shaky, but since Tuesday is my usual recap day, I think I'm willing to give tomorrow's opening episode of Silvana sin lana a try.
 

Silvana

Yay! Looking forward to it.
I've only ever watched two telenovelas: Reina de Corazones and Avenida Brasil. Both excellent...I've been so spoiled!
 

Silvana. Thanks, Juanita!
 

I also remembered watching the original "Sin Senos Si Hay Paraiso" with Carmen Villalobos!
 

Senos

Steve, I think the earlier version you're referring to is "Sin Senos No Hay Paraíso."
 

Thank you Juanita for clearing it up :)

I see that some of the original cast is in this new TN!
 

Senos

Yes, Steve, I think it's supposed to be a sequel of sorts, though I'm not really sure. Since I don't plan to watch it, I haven't paid a lot of attention to info about it. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with it, just that the few coming attractions I saw on Telemundo didn't appeal to me.
 

Silvana

Juanita, thanks so much for your offer to recap tonight's first episode. I have scheduled my DVR to record all three first episodes tonight to get a lot at what they'll be like.
 

Senos

I did not watch the earlier Senos. Hmmmm. I'm tempted to put up a recap of the first episode, really just bare bones probably. But I don't know if knowledge of the first one is required to figure out what's going one. I'll give it a shot.
 

Silvana
"Get a look at what they'll be like!"
 

So glad that Senos has a sequel with some of the original cast. I don't know any Spanish and couldn't read the captions fast enough. Some of the last scenes were restaged with some changes, and the fast forward continuation scenes left out too much. The original series ended abruptly and didn't show the impact of Cata's death on her mother and ex-boyfriend. This continuation shows that, but left other loose ends and jumped forward too quickly. Cata's death was so depressing that I did several searches on the author and learned from a commenter who knew the town and townspeople that the REAL "Cata" was still alive, living with another narco, and had gotten revenge on Yesica and Marcial by getting them arrested. I wish NBC followed its earlier plan to air an English version.

--Mary in Maryland
 

Silvana

I'll post a recap sometime tomorrow morning.
 

SIN SENOS SÍ HAY PARAÍSO – Parte 1 de 2

I think the beginning of this probably means a lot more to those who saw the earlier novela, but here goes.

It begins on the patio of an apartment in a skyscraper. A singer is singing to a woman on behalf of a short, ugly guy. They are being watched from the street below in a car and through binoculars by Catalina from the earlier show. She’s with her friend Pelambre. She says that Yésica (the woman up there) betrayed her. She says that Yésica told her that Marcial was out of the country. Catalina says that Yésica wants to get HER husband and her money. She says she’s going to kill her. Pelambre offers to set it up.

An assassin is paid. Meanwhile Yésica tells Marcial (short, ugly one) that she’s pregnant and he’s overjoyed.

Catalina calls Yésica and pretends all is well between them. She arranges to meet her at a coffee shop in order to catch up. Later Catalina describes Yésica’s red hair and clothing to Pelambre who relays this to the assassin. We see him shoot the woman sitting at an outside table. Then we see that Catalina has arranged suicide by assassin. We see her blood run down into the sewer and then grow and grow in volume. Quite surreal.

The scene moves to Hilda, Catalina’s mother. She’s married to Albeiro. She’s worried about Catalina. [I sort of have an inkling that Catalina was involved with Albeiro first, but he fell for her mother.] Hilda is very pregnant.

We see one of Marcial’s henchmen, Gato [Pote from La Reina del Sur!] tearing out a marriage registration from a thick book. It turns out that Catalina was married to Marcial, and this record needs to disappear.

Hilda and Albeiro are hoping for a boy.

Yésica wants Marcial to tear up the marriage registration, but he doesn’t do it. She knows Catalina is dead, but fears her family will want some money from their son-in-law!

Yésica meets with a guy from the DEA and plans to give up her husband, Marcial Barrera on a silver platter. What she wants in return is 80% of his fortune. We see him grabbed up by a SWAT team.

While Hilda is at the grave of her son [guess he died in the first one], she finds out from Albeiro that Catalina is dead. She becomes hysterical with grief and goes into labor. Albeiro doesn’t want anything to do with a daughter. The baby is given the same name as the defunct Catalina. Later he does accept the child.
 

SIN SENOS SÍ HAY PARAÍSO – Parte 2 de 2

Albeiro tries to take his family to the US for a better life, pretending to go on vacation. But he’s denied a visa because he doesn’t have a bank account that would show he’s coming back.

Yésica comes to see Hilda. Cat is in her arms. Y is not pleased at how pretty the child is.

Hilda paints a yellow line in front of her house. She says Cat should not cross this because bad things happen in the street. We see her repainting the line year after year as the child grows.

We see that Yésica’s child, Daniela, is a spoiled brat.

Catalina is frustrated her mother won’t let her go out alone and she’s embarrassed that her mother has asked for feminine products by domicilio (delivery to the house). The delivery boy, Nacho, falls for Cat at first sight. He also delivers to the house where Daniela lives and puts her nose out of joint telling her that Cat is the most beautiful girl he’s ever seen. Nacho sends Cat a love letter. Nacho’s sweet mother is played by the woman who played the evil butch prisoner Makoki in La Reina del Sur!.

Yésica goes to see the mayor. She’ll give him all the money he needs to become President of Colombia if he uses his power to make her bigger than Pablo Escobar.

Albeiro comes to pick up Cat at school. Gato [alias Pote] sees her walking with her father. He pays some woman a thick stack of bills to get her for him.
 

my take on martres

Silvana sin lana

I like Carlos Ponce (Manuel Gallardo), and he sings the theme song, but the story over all seemed predictable, as to paring up the two families, Lucia getting María José's boyfriend.

hold the press, Sandra Velasco the creator, worked on "¿Quién es quién?", "Dueños del Paraíso", "Dama y Obrero", "Rosa Diamante", etc.


Sin senos si hay paraiso

the original was an amazing show, a blockbuster, opening the door for the narcos, but ruined by Telemundo who first out of the blue dropped english captions killing off their new found audience, and then by extending it with silly stories.

what I liked here most is the production, traveling along with Catalina's blood back to her mother, so cool, the accents, and Catherine Siachoque, she has kind of a sparkle about her.

but Carolina Gaitán, (the new Catalina) she specializes in train wrecks, first in "Flor Salvaje" then in "Cielia", I don't know if I can take another.


Senora acero 3

wow, a "Bajo el mismo cielo" reunion, Luis Ernesto Franco (Rodrigo), Alejandro Speitzer (Luis), and Oka Giner (Susy),

the story flowed along pretty good, but of course, Luis Ernesto Franco (Daniel in this one) always the tough guy gentleman, looks good on a horse, is mesmerizing, has met his match, or did that happen before
.

 

Silvana

Hello, gang!
It's been a while since I stopped by , but Silvana sin Lana sounds fun. I love Carlos Ponce and Maritza Rodriguez is a good comedic actress (after what I've seen in Marido en Alquiler).
My vacation is just around the corner, so I might miss on the first couple of weeks, but hopefully starting August I'll be able to catch up and be here with all of you. I miss watching a Telemundo series!
Looking forward to the first recap!!!
 

Senos:

YUCK! Hilda having pregnant with Cat's boyfriend! Guessing I wasn't surprised about that one.

Yesica: Still the Devil Incarnate from the original. She really wants to destroy Catalina's remaining family members!
 

I managed to pick up a little Wi-Fi this morning at my neighbors' house and just wanted to say I'm thrilled at the enthusiasm for all the new shows. I won't be watching, but will check in when I can. Looks like we'll have a lively blog over the next few months. Welcome to all the new folks. And remember, over here (on Telemundo), the local custom dictates that we DON'T post anything that even vaguely resembles a preview, spoiler or even those sneaky avances they like to toss in after the closing credits. Of course speculation and hunches are de rigueur, but by general agreement, Telemundo folks like to be surprised.
 

SILVANA SIN LANA - MARTES - Parte 1 de 3

It's morning. We see Silvana "Chivis" Rivapalacios de Villaseñor (played by Maritza Rodriguez), an attractive, wealthy woman, on the balcony and then in the bedroom of her enormous, very luxurious house. She reads her horoscope in the newspaper and laughs as she reads, "You'll have a terrible day. Better not get up." Life is good, and she's not worried [Viewerville recognizes this as a sure sign of impending disaster]. This attractive, wealthy woman has three daughters: Maria José [often MJ in this recap], Angie, and Lupita. She is trying to get them ready for school. Angie tells her mother about "final notices" that the school has sent about overdue tuition payments (colegiaturas). Silvana tells her not to worry, her father will take care of it. Lupita asks her to remind her father about a meeting for her First Communion. Silvana assures her, too, not to worry. Angie and Lupita are then driven to school by the chauffeur. The oldest, Maria José, says she doesn't want to study accounting. "Then why are you studying hotel administration," asks Silvana. "To travel," says MJ. She adds that she and Andrés will marry soon, and then she won't have to work.

The scene shifts to the office of Antonio José Villaseñor, Silvana's husband. Silvana calls to ask him about the tuition notices and to remind him about Lupita's First Communion. He assures her he'll take care of everything. She senses that he sounds distant, unfriendly. He tells her that he's about to go to a meeting. After he hangs up, he looks at two framed photos of his family, perhaps trying to decide which to take with him. His secretary calls to say that there are detectives here to see him. He puts the photos into his briefcase and flees from his office [we can tell he's fleeing because he puts on sunglasses]. He climbs up a staircase leading to the roof, where a helicopter is waiting for him. Two men wearing FBI jackets enter his office. They hear the helicopter and race after him, but the helicopter leaves with him aboard just as the FBI agents come out onto the roof.

Silvana meets some friends at her golf club. She tells them that her husband has promised to take her to the Greek isles for their anniversary. The two FBI men approach. "We're looking for your husband. Do you know where he is?" She doesn't. She calls her husband, and his secretary informs her that he has left in a helicopter. She enters the house and tells her mother, Trinidad, who lives with her, that something terrible has happened. Her mother, busy with her phone, doesn't want to be interrupted: she's in the most exciting part of "Candy." Silvana grabs the phone and tells her mother that the police are looking for Antonio José. Her mother assures her that all is well and tells her to stop being so dramatic. The maid enters and says that a man has come with a legal order to confiscate her property (el orden de embargo). We see men taking everything out of the house and loading it onto a large truck. Silvana's mother advises her to call her lawyer. He informs her that her husband had been having serious money problems for quite some time. "Why didn't you tell me?" she asks. "I thought you knew," he replies. Everything has been sold--the house in Acapulco, the stocks in her name, everything. "Well," she says, "at least we have our house." Oops. That too has been sold, and they have to move out in a week. Her mother faints.
 

SILVANA SIN LANA - MARTES - 2 de 3

Silvana says she doesn't know what kind of mess Antonio José is in, but she's not going to sit around waiting until he appears. "Tomorrow, I'm going to look for a house to rent." We then see her going around with the real estate agent. She finds a house she likes, but then learns the rent is $6000. The real estate agent explains that the high rent is a function of the location. "If you want something less expensive," the agent tells her, "you'll have to change neighborhoods--and neighbors."

The scene shifts to a large, busy fish market in a very different neighborhood. When the boss enters, everyone applauds him. The boss is Manuel Gallardo (played by Carlos Ponte). He thanks everyone, especially his son Vincente and his colleague Poncho, and congratulates everyone on having a very successful month. "As long as we work hard and have success, no developer is going to tear down our business in order to build a 50-story building with a view of the bay." There's a woman, Stella, who wants Manuel to introduce her as his novia to his four children, three sons and a daughter. We learn that Manuel has been a widower for eight years. He tells Stella he thinks it's too soon, his children would be upset. They've apparently had this same conversation many times. She tells him she's not going to hang around forever. She leaves, shaking her backside provocatively as she goes.

As Manuel drives Vincente home in his truck, Vincente urges him to have a life, get married again. Manuel says he's not going to do anything until Pepito, the youngest child, turns 18. Vincente thinks he's crazy. Manuel drops Vincente off at their house just as Silvana drives by, checking an address or perhaps the GPS on her phone. She backs up just as Manuel has started to drive forward and the two vehicles collide. All the fish that Manuel had been transporting are tossed into the street. The two argue about who is to blame. Manuel takes photos to document what has happened. Silvana is upset that he's doing this. He then says he's going to call the police to sort things out. The police arrive. She claims that he hit her car from behind and thus he's at fault. The police ask why she was backing up. Was she stopped? No, says Silvana, I was looking for an address. The police wisely conclude that she's at fault.

At the dinner table, we see Manuel and his four children: sons Vincente, Jorge, and Pedrito, and daughter Lucha. A phone call from Stella interrupts the dinner. With coaching from Poncho, she apologizes for what she said earlier and, leaving her script, she tells Manuel that she has bought a little gift for Pedrito. [Liar, liar, pants on fire.]

Later that night, Pedrito comes to Manuel's room and says he can't sleep because his siblings are snoring loudly. Manuel points out that each night there's another excuse. Pedrito jumps into Manuel's bed, kisses the photo of his dead mother, and tells Manuel that he doesn't want him to have a novia.

Silvana arrives home and announces that she has found a house to rent. No, it's not exactly near here, but it's centrally located and there's a bus stop close by. Oops. Lupita asks whether it has a pool. Oops. Silvana says it has a lovely balcony, and what she likes best is it has a statue of Our Lady of Guadaloupe in the garden. They go to see the house. After a l-o-n-g drive, they arrive. Why are there two different colors? asks Lupita. Because they are two attached houses, and one is ours. Maria José calls her mother crazy. Silvana replies that she's not crazy, that this is what they can afford.
 

SILVANA SIN LANA - MARTES - 3 of 3

As Silvana and her family arrive to move in, Manuel's four children are leaving their house--the other half of the two-colored duplex. Seeing these attractive girls, Jorge offers to help carry things. He lifts a suitcase that is so heavy he has to put it down. What's in this? he asks. My sister's shoes, replies Angie.

Lupita, MJ, and Trinidad complain about the house. Jorge enters, carrying suitcases. He introduces himself. Trinidad makes snide remarks about the fact that he and his siblings were named after pop singers. He offers to help with anything they need. When Maria José's call to Andrés, aka Baby Boo, is cut off, Jorge advises her that the phone reception is better outside the house. She goes out, calls him back, and tells one lie after another to keep from letting him know what's happening. She tells him she'll take a taxi and meet him at the university. He's going off to class and isn't looking at where he's going, and he crashes into Lucha. She assures him that she's not hurt. He sees her notes and asks whether she's studying medicine. Yes, she replies. "I'm Andrés, your teaching assistant/assistant professor" [I'm not sure how to translate tu profesor asistente; neither seems probable for the novio of Maria José.]

Meanwhile, Vincente walks past the duplex and sees a sad but attractive young woman sitting outside. It's Maria José, who tells him she's not crying, she suffers from allergies. When he welcomes her to the neighborhood, she says their house in Coral Gables is being renovated, and so they'll be here for just a month or two.

Jorge has carried in the suitcases, says goodbye, and leaves. As soon as he is out the door, Trinidad warns that they should be careful, he could be a thief. Angie objects to her grandmother's prejudices, but Trinidad tells her to stop being so innocent. After more complaints, Silvana tells her that they're having a difficult time, and the only way to get through it is to be together, united, a true family. [The first sign that there's hope for Silvana.]

Silvana's lawyer calls her and informs her that she has no insurance. She has to go meet once again with Manuel. At the meeting, she writes him a check and tells him she never wants to see him again.

Silvana is upset. She hasn't heard from Antonio José and is afraid he has abandoned them. Her mother assures her that he'll return and they'll get back all their possessions. Silvana isn't buying that [nor is Viewerville].

Manuel and his sons are sitting together. The boys are talking about the good-looking women who have moved in next door. "There's even one your age," Vincente.informs Manuel.

Lupita overhears her mother talking with her abuela about being abandoned. She asks whether her father has abandoned them. Silvana assures her that he hasn't, and that he has gone away for a while to make more money. He called and sent kisses. After the relieved Lupita goes upstairs, Angie asks her mother why she lies to Lupita. Silvna tells her it's just to protect her, so she won't suffer.

Angie and Andrés are walking together at the university. Suddenly Maria José appears, calling him Baby Boo, kissing him, and asking how her favorite doctor is. Angie says "I know you. You're my new neighbor." No, no, says MJ, you're confusing me with someone else. "No," replies Angie, "you and your family have moved into the other half of the duplex. There's no way I could be confusing you with someone else."

Silvana gets a phone call from Manuel informing her that her check has bounced. They exchange insults, Silvana goes out onto the balcony, and Manuel realizes that he can hear her even without the phone. He steps out onto his balcony. They stare at each other. "¿Usted?" "¿Tú?"
 

Silvana

Oops, I just noticed that I wrote Carlos Ponte rather than Carlos Ponce.

 

Silvana. Excellent and very complete recap, Juanita. I especially liked "viewerville recognizes this as a sign of impending disaster"--yep, horoscopes as foreshadowing have been popular since time immemorial--or at least since humans started noticing the stars. "We can tell he's fleeing because he puts on sunglasses''--after all, it is Florida. "Liar, liar, pants on fire,"and "oops." This show seems silly and formulaic but I'm willing to give it a shot. I've seen parts of 1 or 2 novelas with similar themes over the years. Everything depends on how well it's done. I think I noticed them getting some cheap laughs from a gay couple, but I trust the gay character will turn out to be positively portrayed, At first I had a hard time placing the setting, but evidently the big house turns out to be in Coral Gables and the lower-middle class neighborhood in a nearby town. The silly but cute map they showed from time to time with all the water looked like Florida. I thought the scene of Antonio José fleeing was pretty funny--possibly portraying him as a Bernie Madoff type? Once again it's apparent that telenovela writers aren't familiar with the US educational system. The high-school aged son says that he has philosophy homework. US high school students don't take philosophy, though those in many Spanish-speaking countries do. It kind of reminds me of an incident in a Spanish Literature class I took many years ago. The professor was a Spaniard, a brilliant guy, but he had no idea of where his students were coming from. One day he said, "As you will have learned in your secondary school philosophy class." I was the brave one who raised my hand and told him that US students don't take philosophy in high school and very few in college. He was genuinely quite shocked and wondered how we could be educated people. Also in the US people don't study medicine as undergrads, as I assume Angie is, and med schools are usually separate from the rest of a university campus. Andrés looks like a TA judging by his age--but I bet they mean for him to be an assistant professor. The final exchange between Silvana and Manuel is a perfect illustration for a beginning Spanish class of the difference between Ud. and tú. Silvana definitely still feels socially superior to Manuel, and it's a good sign that he's polite to women--even those who have stiffed him out of the damages for his truck and ruined fish.
 

Silvana

Many thanks, SpanProf, for your extremely interesting remarks about the recap and the novela. I hadn't thought about the implications of Manuel's saying Usted while Silvana used tú, but of course you're absolutely right. Thanks for pointing this out. And yes, you're also right about the usual separation of med schools from the rest of the university, and the fact that in the US, students don't study medicine as undergraduates. I wasn't sure about the translation of profesor asistente for several reasons. I wouldn't have thought that a teaching assistant would refer to himself as profesor; Andrés looks more the age of a TA than an assistant professor; I had a hard time imagining Maria José being attracted to an academic. Admittedly, med school faculty make a lot more money than professors in most other fields, but still.... I'd have expected her to choose someone preparing for a career as a lawyer, a businessman, or perhaps a doctor. For that reason, TA makes some sense, but not assistant professor.

Anyway, I'm glad you're thinking of staying with this novela. I like Carlos Ponce, but the novela seemed to me rather predictable. Then again, I'm often unenthusiastic about a novela at the start, but it grows on me. I'm hoping that will happen with this one.
 

SILVANA:

I didn't watch last night, but might take a look one evening when I'm in the mood for a comedy. Thank you, Juanita. Great first episode recap!

SpanProf- I did study philosophy in high school. But I went to a boarding school. Perhaps the fancy school Silvana's kids attend teach it? It is funny that the Telemundo shows are written, produced, and filmed in the US, yet they seem to get so many of these things wrong. There should be a number of people on staff who know better from first-hand experience. I think they must fudge some of this stuff on purpose so that the tns can be better accepted when they are shown in other markets throughout LatAm and the world.
 

Senos

Thanks muchly, novelera, for the recap of Senos. I especially enjoyed your phrase "suicide by assassin." I loved Pote in La Reina del Sur, but I'm not sure he's enough to make me choose to watch Senos. Your recap interested me more than the Telemundo trailers did, but still.... I haven't made up my mind what I want to do. I have enjoyed Carlos Ponce in other novelas, but Silvana already seems to me rather predictable. Then again, if it's done well, it might be fun.
 

Silvana

Thanks, Vivi, for your very interesting comments, especially the one about Telemundo's fudging some things on purpose to make the novelas more acceptable to the non-US market. I'd never thought of that, but it makes a good deal of sense.

As for philosophy in secondary school, yes, some private secondary schools do include it in the curriculum. However, IIRC, it's not one of Silvana's kids who is studying philosophy but rather Manuel's son Jorge. Of course, since you haven't yet seen the episode, there's no way you could have known that.

I do hope you'll watch Silvana. It's most fun when there are several people contributing to the comments, and yours are always great.
 

Silvana. Vivi: I think you're probably right about novela writers deliberately misrepresenting the US educational system to make it more like those of Spanish-speaking countries and their novelas more marketable there as a result. That would explain as well why they never mention community colleges--even though a cc would have bee the perfect place for some of the characters in Bajo el mismo cielo and Eva la trailera.
 

Martres

I watched all three last night. Waaay too much sitting. Surprisingly the one that intrigued me was Señora Acero – La Coyote. There was a vivid recreation of a group of people crossing the Rio Grande being escorted by our heroine, Vicenta. It was nice to see Luis Ernesto Franco [Rodrigo in Bajo] again. I don’t like the beard. Something about it reminds me of when they put a false one on a character.

Luis Ernesto's English sort of came and went in La Coyote. At first he sounded perfect. But later on the accent was noticeable. They surely made the other border patrol guy villainous. I wonder how true that portrayal is. He actually seemed about to shoot a pregnant woman he'd captured until our hero stopped him.

Deb, I’m surprised you thought Flor Salvaje was a train wreck. It’s one of my favorites ever. I like the actress playing Catalina, but I’m not sure I’ll make it past the first week [Senos].

La Coyote was very violent and likely realistic about people crossing the border ending up exploited by narcos. Of course, I found confusing the relationships between the people because I didn’t watch the first two. This was similar to Senos as it also is a continuation.

Silvana sin Lana didn’t do a thing for me. I was surprised they again made the fine actor Adriana Barraza [Trinidad] a fairly unpleasant character. She was much worse, of course, in Los Dueños del Paraíso. I’m not a fan of comedic novelas, nor am I a fan of novelas featuring teenaged romances. I thought Maritza Rodriguez was very good, and I’m sure it will be interesting seeing her building a new life. But I’m probably not in on this one.

I set the DVR for a week for all three. I hate to give up watching any novelas at all. I want that daily infusion of Spanish to keep my comprehension ticking along. And nearly every week I learn a new phrase, mostly idioms, that I love adding to my vocabulary.
 

Cielos

I watched the last half of the final Monday hoping they'd kill off Aurelio. But no, instead it ended with Continuará. Yikes! They ARE going (eventually) with El Señor de los Depends.
 

Novelera: On Cielos: They might kill off Monica next season!
 

Silvana

Juanita, I'm SO sorry! I forgot to thank you for the fine recap, with your usual dose of snark. Your recap was better than the show!
 

Sin Senos

thanks so much novelera for the recap!

it's amazing how much you gleaned from the original series, but if it helps,

if you are not planning on watching the original there is some info on the plot and why Cata (a most annoying character) wanted to die at the wiki page,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_Senos_no_Hay_Paraíso

Albeirto was Cata's boyfriend and she felt betrayed when he went with her mom, not to mention she was a prepago and married to a drug lord.

she became a prepago to pay for a boob job and sold herself as a virgin, Gato wants the young Cata because she is a virgin.

Yésica was the one who set the school girls up as prepagos, and betrayed her with Marcial to get his money.

Bayron, Cata's dead brother, was a character we all fell in love with, despite the fact he was a moto sicario.


novelera- no, no, Flor Salvaje was an amazing novela, but the character Carolina Gaitán portrayed was the train wreck, and her addicted abused character in Ceilia I found almost impossible to watch.


 

Silvana

Juanita, this was an excellent read, just what we need to get us started on this telenovela. As opposed to you, I'm often enjoying tns at the start but I get bored very quickly - maybe this will be a winner for both of us.

SpanProf, you make a good point about the way the protas address one another. She thinks of herself as very high class, so she immediately uses "tu", while he sees himself as a regular guy and her fresa look made him want to use the so formal "usted".
In my opinion "usted" should be used in all circumstances until a better acquaintance is established. Sure, for the anglo world this doesn't matter, but here in France people really care about their "usted", or "vous". Maybe that's why I was so shocked the other day when during a rather formal training at work the trainer immediately started calling us "tu" - I felt it like a lack of respect, since we were all professionals and we were all calling her "usted".
Back to the tn, I think Manuel should make it a point later on that he hasn't received too much respect from his new neighbor.

Vivi, I hope you stick around this one, it's been a while since we could chat about the same stories.

I agree that we've seen this story before and it could get annoying rather fast, but if the comedy is good, maybe it will be worthy enough. Telemundo's comedy is much better than Televisa's, I thought Marido en Alquiler was very funny at the beginning, so we'll just have to wait and see, I guess.
 

Silvana

thanks so much for the recap Juanita!

it's always nice at the beginning to get oriented in a new story and you did a terrific job.

 

TELEMUNDO...

"Chema", wow, they were showing promos for this one last night.

 

SILVANA:
Thanks Juanita for the great recap.

This one is cute, but does seem like it might be predictable.

Juanita: “Then again, I'm often unenthusiastic about a novela at the start, but it grows on me.” I’m the same way. Think I’ll watch the estenos week and then see how I feel.

Nanette

 

Silvana and Señora Acero

Many thanks, Novelera, for your remarks about the Silvana recap. And thanks, too, for your thoughts about ALL THREE of the new novelas. I'm not surprised that you found Señora Acero the most interesting. I felt that way about the coming attractions Telemundo posted from time to time. I kept wanting to rule out Señora Acero because I hadn't seen the first two seasons, and especially because I wasn't eager to commit to a 10 pm novela. After reading what you had to say, I went to the Telemundo site and watched the first episode. I agree--it was quite gripping, though also rather confusing. And I loved seeing Luis Ernesto Franco again. I may continue to try to watch it, at least for a bit longer and try to figure out who's who. But I'd never try to recap it. I do hope to grow fonder of Silvana and continue the Tuesday recaps. There seem to be a number of other folks also planning to give that novela a try. Perhaps there may even be some other recappers among them. Ojalá.
 

Silvana

Many thanks, deb, Adriana Noel, and Nanette, for your kind words about the recap. I'm really hoping we all decide to stay with this novela, since half the fun is having other people to talk to/with about it.
 

Silvana
TKS Juanita I think I'll like this one, not so sure about
Senos &
Senora Acero Is definitely out.

I'll wait for El Chema for more violence.

I did catch Pote in Senos
 

Silvana. I'm glad that whole plot line of Silvana's oldest daughter (María José?) pretending to still live in the big house in Coral Gables is coming to an end so fast. It was already getting annoying! She's still extremely snobbish, so I would imagine that one of the new plot lines will be her turning into a regular person. We learn more about how very respectable Manuel is--he has gotten his children into a charter school and is president of its parents' organization. Interesting that one of the main objections Manuel's older children have to Stella? is that she's vulgar, over-made-up, and wears too-tight clothes. Wealthy people aren't the world's only snobs! Fortunately, one of the workers at the seafood distributor has a major crush on her, so she will be left with an alternative when Manuel chooses Silvana. That's one of the reasons I like this kind of sweet-natured novela!Nobody ends up too sad. Angie, Silvana's daughter, is both sweet and sharp, and she and Jorge are so cute together that of course the writers have to have a blocking character--Jorge's girl friend Margarita, though Angie is certainly a match for her, especially when she says that she's used to dealing with mean-girl bullies and can no doubt handle such people at the charter school. Despite his cavorting and wild-oats sowing, Manuel's oldest son is very wise, and we learn even more what a jerk Silvana's husband Antonio José is. He seems to be sitting comfortably in a bar, presumably in a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US, and not caring all that much about his family--not even any suggestions about how Silvana can handle some of the financial difficulties he has left her with. But in general the characters are very sympathetic--including the neighborhood baker, Margarita's grandfather, who is a bit of a stereotype, but a very simpático one.
 

Silvana

I liked the novela a bit better after last night's show. Thanks, SpanProf, for your almost recap! I can't keep the girls' names straight, but Angie is adorable. I can't bear Stella's voice. Didn't one of her male friends tell her she'd be best served at the dinner with Manuel's family by keeping her mouth shut? And Jorge's girlfriend is cut from the same bolt of cloth.

I'll put up a small recap tonight. I only watched Silvana last night as it was all I had time for. I may stay on board with this one as it's the only one our Telemundo crew seems to be following.
 

General

Something I meant to say before is that I have sort of a sad feeling about all three of the Telemundo offerings. La Esclava Blanca was FABULOUS. I didn't offer to do recaps because I was already doing one and sometimes two a week for Eva. And I also feel that Eva was superior to any of the three new ones. Sigh. I guess I'm out of touch with what Spanish speaking audiences like but now two out of the three evening offerings have narco elements. The casual brutality and sadism are hard to take. La Coyote was interesting and I will probably catch up on the weekend, but the brutality of the big fish narco about his enslaved mojados dying from fumes of making meth was beyond awful.
 

Silvana
Many thanks, SpanProf, for your perceptive mini-recap. I too am happy to see that Maria José's lies are quickly unravelling. That seems to be a common feature of several Telemundo novelas I've seen: they don't drag out lies and complications for weeks on end. And yes, it does seem as if Maria José and Vincente will eventually be an item, but I'm not wholly happy about this. I find it a bit hard to believe that someone who is so snobbish and such an inveterate liar will See the Light and reform. She almost surely will, but that's one of the things I don't like about this novela. I'd like it to be a bit edgier. I feel in danger of a diabetic coma, even though I don't have diabetes! So far, the only truly bad person is Antonio José. He truly is a turd, but I'm not sure that's enough to balance out all the sweetness we see elsewhere. (OTOH, I confess that I like the good-hearted neighborhood baker, who seems destined for the empty-headed Candy-addict abuela. I'm glad the writers are not overlooking those of us of a certain age. :-) )
 

Silvana

SpanProf, there's one more point I meant to make, this one in response to your statement about Manuel's children's view of Stella. I agree with them! They're right: she is vulgar, over-made-up, and wears too-tight clothing. She's ordinaria, naca. Trash. She seems incapable of walking without shaking her behind. Oh, Marlene Palacios and Roberto Monteverde, where are you when I need your colorful vocabulary.

It was clear from episode one that Stella is not right for Manuel. His children recognized this without even seeing the novela.
 

SILVANA

Likng it so far. Manuel s so adorable!
Thank you so much for the recaps... My Spanish is nowhere near good enough to catch everything, so I really appreciate your work on posting these.
 

Silvana
Hola, Variopinta! Good to see you back. I'm glad you may be watching Silvana. With a good group commenting, it could be lots of fun.

P.S. It took me FIVE captchas to get to post this!
 

Silvana

Hi, Jude Gray. Glad you're liking Silvana. I might note that my Spanish isn't nearly good enough to catch everything. Even watching with Spanish captions, I miss a lot. But some months ago, I got up the courage to give recapping a try (after years of thinking I'd never do it). It's not easy, but it's very rewarding in terms of helping my Spanish and feeling as if I'm doing something useful for others.
 

SILVANA

So far, so good, the story is nice and easy to follow.
I wonder what job will Silvana have.
So far my favorite siblings are the middle daughter- middle son - can't keep up with names yet.

Oh, what is a charter school?

Adriana Noel
 

General

Novelera, I agree with you that both Eva la Trailera and la Esclava Blanca were far superior to what we've seen so far of the new novelas. I watched both Silvana and Señora Acero last night. I had high hopes for Señora Acero, especially since one of the main characters is played by the marvellous actor who played Rodrigo in Bajo el Mismo Cielo. But I found the plot even more confusing last night than in the first episode. Also, the 10 pm hour really isn't good for me. So I think I'm going to stay with Silvana. I'm encouraged by the number of people who have said they're watching it, so we may have some good discussions (and perhaps even an additional recapper or two?). Speaking of recaps, many thanks por adelantado for doing one tonight.
 

Silvana. A charter school is a public school to which students must apply. Generally speaking, the tenure rules and some of the other regulations of school districts don't necessarily apply to them. (That varies from state to state and district, I believe). Some of them have particular emphases or themes--the arts, science and math, etc., though that sort of school would be more accurately named a magnet school. Some of them are run by companies or educational organizations from outside the district and are run at a profit for those groups, and for that reason they are a bit controversial. Even though parents see the education their children receive in such schools as superior, that is not always the case, and in many cases the charter school test scores are no higher than regular public schools. Another controversy is that charter schools can pick and choose the best students, leaving behind students in most need of help. I have a sister in law who used to teach in the Wisconsin equivalent of a charter school. She said that parents would line up for hours to try to enroll their children in those schools.
 

Silvana

Isn't Antonio José the same guy who portrayed the ghastly guy who was murdering his maids in Bajo el Mismo Cielo?
 

Silvana. On a positive note, charter schools are sometimes seen as educational laboratories in which innovative educational techniques can be tried out. Also, it's not unusual for students and teachers to have more esprit de corps in these schools than in ordinary public schools. The great educational historian Diane Ravitch has written about them. She started out in favor of them, but then reluctantly turned against them based on the abuses I pointed out above.
 

Silvana. Juanita: And in Silvana we don't even have a character like Pablo pointing out that a scene is so sweetsy-poo that it's putting him in a diabetic coma, something he said when JJ and Marisol were very cutely speculating about their baby. :)
 

Silvana

Wow, novelera, your eagle eye has nailed it. Yes, Roberto Escobar played both Antonio José Villaseñor in Silvana and [hiss here] Allan Landoni, the ghastly guy in Bajo. Interestingly, I didn't have any listing for him in the cast of Bajo. Once I knew who played Antonio José, I was able to put the actor's name in IMDB, and it had a listing of all his novelas.
 

Silvana

"Telemundo Now" on my Roku now has loaded episode 2. (I don't have a local Telemundo station, so I have to use this streaming app).

Will anyone do the recap for episode 2?

I saw the first episode at the Telemundo web site and totally enjoyed it. Too bad the English captions were not available on my laptop.


 

Silvana

Gobluefan from OH, I don't think anyone has done a full recap of episode 2, but there has been a good deal of discussion, stemming from SpanProf's mini-recap earlier today. And novelera has offered to do a recap of tonight's episode (episode 3).
 

General

Since there are apparently a number of new people joining the discussion, I just want to let everyone know that the Telemundo y Más page (what you're reading now) comes out twice a week, on Mondays at 3 pm and on Thursdays at 8 pm. So if you return to the page after 8 pm this evening, you'll find a new page without all the above discussion. If for some reason you want to find the previous page, just go to
http://caraycaray.blogspot.com/search/label/telemundo. That will take you to the most recent page, but if you scroll down, you'll see the earlier Telemundo y Más pages. If you click on the link telling you the number of comments, you'll be able to read that page.
 

Gracias Juanita!
 

SENOS

Can someone explain to me who the two women with Jota are? I know some spanish, but I'm not picking up on everything. Also, I saw a comment above that looked like there were possibly english captions? Are there? And if so, how would I get those? I tried the different captions options, and nothing seemed to be working.
 

Sin Senos the first part is on Netflix
 

Sin Senos the first part is on Netflix