Thursday, August 18, 2016
TELEMUNDO Y MÁS (#2): Silvana sin Lana, Sin Senos Sí Hay Paraíso, Señora Acero 3, & La Sombra de Helena: Week of August 15, 2016
TELEMUNDO WEEKEND EDITION (continuación)
Here's Page 2 for the week. The current novelas are the following (all times are Eastern Daylight Time):
• 12-2PM—Sombra de Helena
• 8PM—Silvana Sin Lana
• 9PM—Sin Senos Sí Hay Paraíso
• 10PM—Señora Acero 3: La Coyote
Everyone is welcome to join in the conversation. Since discussions of all the Telemundo novelas share the same page, please remember to put the name of the telenovela you're referring to at the top of your post, so readers can easily find the conversations they're looking for.
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Silvana
¡Qué horror! My TV had no captions/subtitles tonight on Silvana sin Lana. I have no idea why. All the other channels had subtitles/captions, even Univision. Without the Spanish subtitles/captions, I'm sunk! Thank goodness I wasn't supposed to do a recap tonight.
Did anyone else experience something similar tonight?
¡Qué horror! My TV had no captions/subtitles tonight on Silvana sin Lana. I have no idea why. All the other channels had subtitles/captions, even Univision. Without the Spanish subtitles/captions, I'm sunk! Thank goodness I wasn't supposed to do a recap tonight.
Did anyone else experience something similar tonight?
SILVANA
I'm still catching up on Weds night's episode. Loved that Chivis was waxing her mustache when Mañuel arrived haha!
I'm still catching up on Weds night's episode. Loved that Chivis was waxing her mustache when Mañuel arrived haha!
SILVANA – Jueves – Parte 1 de 2
We again see Trini faint at the sight of her son-in-law. Antonio José tries to wake her up. Juanito happens by and is concerned. He tells AJ that the poor woman lives just over there. When she calls his name in front of Juanito, AJ denies knowing her and runs off [something he has a real talent for].
At the Tarantino movie Lucha leans her head on Andrés’ shoulder. Back a few rows some students in the same class recognize them.
María José and Vicente are walking arm and arm by the water. She tells him that Andrés is the only boyfriend she’s ever had. He teases her some. [I can sort of see where Vicente gets that teasing personality from – his father.] She tells him she knows she ought to be sadder about breaking off the engagement, but she’s OK. He tells her he’s never been in love; his longest relationship was less than a month! She says she was sure she was in love until… looking at him. He says he had never been in love until… Long, soulful kiss.
Manuel wants to find out Chivis’ feelings for him and what she’d do if AJ came back.
Vicente gets scared by the intensity of emotion when they kissed. He tells her it’s becoming dangerous. He goes on to tell her that she wants marriage and kids and he wants a good time. He awkwardly says they’re wasting each other’s time. She gets offended and insists on going home.
Juanito brings Trini inside, interrupting Manuel’s expressing how he feels about Chivis. Trini says she saw AJ, shocking Silvana and Manuel. When Chivis insists this can’t be true, Trini says, with horror that she’s come to la tercera edad (a senior) and that she must be becoming senile. She begs Chivis not to put her in a home!
In one of those telenovela coincidences we all have seen a hundred times Vicente and Majo drive up to the duplex at the same time as Andrés and Lucha. Majo loses it and in a stunning display of hypocrisy accuses Andrés and Lucha of deceiving HER! She goes on to call Lucha naca, ordinaria, gata buscona. Hair pulling ensues. Chivis and Manuel hear the yelling and run outside to help pull them apart.
Majo tells Andrés he’s traded caviar for pork, and Chivis, angry, orders her inside. Lucha yells at Chivis that since her family arrived they’ve brought her family nothing but trouble. Inside, MJ behaves like a brat, pouting. She says that maybe her mother, who does nothing but judge her, should throw her out and keep the two perfect daughters.
Lucha tells her side of the story to Manuel. Both girls have accused the other one of attacking first. Lucha starts up her broken record about all the things her father has done for the fresitas. He doesn’t take this from her, but kisses her on the forehead anyway.
Stella is coaching Poncho, giving him his lines so as to make Manuel jealous. Dominique compares this to Angelina Jolie making Brad Pitt jealous with Machete!
We again see Trini faint at the sight of her son-in-law. Antonio José tries to wake her up. Juanito happens by and is concerned. He tells AJ that the poor woman lives just over there. When she calls his name in front of Juanito, AJ denies knowing her and runs off [something he has a real talent for].
At the Tarantino movie Lucha leans her head on Andrés’ shoulder. Back a few rows some students in the same class recognize them.
María José and Vicente are walking arm and arm by the water. She tells him that Andrés is the only boyfriend she’s ever had. He teases her some. [I can sort of see where Vicente gets that teasing personality from – his father.] She tells him she knows she ought to be sadder about breaking off the engagement, but she’s OK. He tells her he’s never been in love; his longest relationship was less than a month! She says she was sure she was in love until… looking at him. He says he had never been in love until… Long, soulful kiss.
Manuel wants to find out Chivis’ feelings for him and what she’d do if AJ came back.
Vicente gets scared by the intensity of emotion when they kissed. He tells her it’s becoming dangerous. He goes on to tell her that she wants marriage and kids and he wants a good time. He awkwardly says they’re wasting each other’s time. She gets offended and insists on going home.
Juanito brings Trini inside, interrupting Manuel’s expressing how he feels about Chivis. Trini says she saw AJ, shocking Silvana and Manuel. When Chivis insists this can’t be true, Trini says, with horror that she’s come to la tercera edad (a senior) and that she must be becoming senile. She begs Chivis not to put her in a home!
In one of those telenovela coincidences we all have seen a hundred times Vicente and Majo drive up to the duplex at the same time as Andrés and Lucha. Majo loses it and in a stunning display of hypocrisy accuses Andrés and Lucha of deceiving HER! She goes on to call Lucha naca, ordinaria, gata buscona. Hair pulling ensues. Chivis and Manuel hear the yelling and run outside to help pull them apart.
Majo tells Andrés he’s traded caviar for pork, and Chivis, angry, orders her inside. Lucha yells at Chivis that since her family arrived they’ve brought her family nothing but trouble. Inside, MJ behaves like a brat, pouting. She says that maybe her mother, who does nothing but judge her, should throw her out and keep the two perfect daughters.
Lucha tells her side of the story to Manuel. Both girls have accused the other one of attacking first. Lucha starts up her broken record about all the things her father has done for the fresitas. He doesn’t take this from her, but kisses her on the forehead anyway.
Stella is coaching Poncho, giving him his lines so as to make Manuel jealous. Dominique compares this to Angelina Jolie making Brad Pitt jealous with Machete!
SILVANA – Jueves – Parte 2 de 2
Trini tells the girls at breakfast that she saw AJ. When Chivis begins to say this can’t be possible, Trini snarks that she must be hallucinating because she saw MJ kissing the naco next door and was also told she was hallucinating. MJ jumps at the hallucination theory.
Lucha gets ragged on in class, with hints that maybe dating the professor is the reason for her good grades.
Poncho tries to broach the subject of his feelings for Stella with Manuel. He stumbles through it, Manuel gets bored and doesn’t take him seriously.
Chivis has come to the office to work. [I notice he still uses usted and she uses tu.] He wants to know if he appeals to her or not. [Gustar is kind of hard to translate. It usually means like as in liking to travel or liking spinach. But when referring to attraction between two people, the word “like” in English is much less than is implied in Spanish.]
Manuel tells Silvana that his self-esteem won’t be damaged if he isn’t her cup of tea. After all, he was considered the prettiest baby in the parish! Chivis laughs and says me encantas and then hastily adds, as a person. She then goes on to say she loves it when he comes out on the balcony, when he gives her flowers, the way he raises an eyebrow. He couldn’t have asked for more! He says she knocked him out. He tells her he’d like to think that someday her husband would appear and she’d tell him the train already left!
Angie comes to the bakery. Juanito mentions that he found Trini passed out on the street with a gentleman. Angie eagerly questions him and then shows him a photo of her father on her phone. He doesn’t definitely say it was him. Jorge comes in and she tells him she wants to tell him something, preferably at his house. Margarita overhears but, fortunately, doesn’t mess up this opportunity for Angie to confide in Jorge.
Trini brings Lupita to meet with the priest. He takes Lupita into the confessional. She says she doesn’t have anything really to confess but her father is un estafante; her mother is married but dances with the neighbor; her sister is engaged but kisses the neighbor; the sisters both get into hair pulling fights; her grandmother has a man as a slave doing her laundry and is an alcoholic.
When Andrés [quite reasonably in my opinion] thinks they probably shouldn’t eat lunch together on the same bench, Ms Prickly [Lucha] gets angry and leaves.
Angie tells Jorge her father is a fugitive from justice.
Antonio José calls Rafael, the skeevy lawyer. He tells him that he’s back and he came for what is his. [Why do I think he doesn’t necessarily mean his family?]
Trini tells the girls at breakfast that she saw AJ. When Chivis begins to say this can’t be possible, Trini snarks that she must be hallucinating because she saw MJ kissing the naco next door and was also told she was hallucinating. MJ jumps at the hallucination theory.
Lucha gets ragged on in class, with hints that maybe dating the professor is the reason for her good grades.
Poncho tries to broach the subject of his feelings for Stella with Manuel. He stumbles through it, Manuel gets bored and doesn’t take him seriously.
Chivis has come to the office to work. [I notice he still uses usted and she uses tu.] He wants to know if he appeals to her or not. [Gustar is kind of hard to translate. It usually means like as in liking to travel or liking spinach. But when referring to attraction between two people, the word “like” in English is much less than is implied in Spanish.]
Manuel tells Silvana that his self-esteem won’t be damaged if he isn’t her cup of tea. After all, he was considered the prettiest baby in the parish! Chivis laughs and says me encantas and then hastily adds, as a person. She then goes on to say she loves it when he comes out on the balcony, when he gives her flowers, the way he raises an eyebrow. He couldn’t have asked for more! He says she knocked him out. He tells her he’d like to think that someday her husband would appear and she’d tell him the train already left!
Angie comes to the bakery. Juanito mentions that he found Trini passed out on the street with a gentleman. Angie eagerly questions him and then shows him a photo of her father on her phone. He doesn’t definitely say it was him. Jorge comes in and she tells him she wants to tell him something, preferably at his house. Margarita overhears but, fortunately, doesn’t mess up this opportunity for Angie to confide in Jorge.
Trini brings Lupita to meet with the priest. He takes Lupita into the confessional. She says she doesn’t have anything really to confess but her father is un estafante; her mother is married but dances with the neighbor; her sister is engaged but kisses the neighbor; the sisters both get into hair pulling fights; her grandmother has a man as a slave doing her laundry and is an alcoholic.
When Andrés [quite reasonably in my opinion] thinks they probably shouldn’t eat lunch together on the same bench, Ms Prickly [Lucha] gets angry and leaves.
Angie tells Jorge her father is a fugitive from justice.
Antonio José calls Rafael, the skeevy lawyer. He tells him that he’s back and he came for what is his. [Why do I think he doesn’t necessarily mean his family?]
Silvana
Muchísimas gracias, novelera, for this excellent and much-needed recap. I watched the episode last night, but there were no subtitles, and I was often at a loss. Needless to say, I found your recap quite enlightening! The subtitles are still off this morning. Sigh. I sent a brief message to Telemundo last night in both English and Spanish, but whether it will do any good remains to be seen.
I'm really pressed for time right now, since I have to leave the house in five minutes. So I just want to say that I think Lucha and Andrés should NOT be dating as long as she is a student in his class. Indeed, there's a case to be made for their not dating until after she has graduated. At any rate, although the other students may have made comments somewhat out of malice, they're right to complain that her grades may be benefitting from the relationship, even if that's not the case. (At some universities, he could even wind up in big trouble for dating a student.)
Thus spake Juanathustra. :-)
Muchísimas gracias, novelera, for this excellent and much-needed recap. I watched the episode last night, but there were no subtitles, and I was often at a loss. Needless to say, I found your recap quite enlightening! The subtitles are still off this morning. Sigh. I sent a brief message to Telemundo last night in both English and Spanish, but whether it will do any good remains to be seen.
I'm really pressed for time right now, since I have to leave the house in five minutes. So I just want to say that I think Lucha and Andrés should NOT be dating as long as she is a student in his class. Indeed, there's a case to be made for their not dating until after she has graduated. At any rate, although the other students may have made comments somewhat out of malice, they're right to complain that her grades may be benefitting from the relationship, even if that's not the case. (At some universities, he could even wind up in big trouble for dating a student.)
Thus spake Juanathustra. :-)
Hello,
I noticed that the way Vicente is pursuing majo is similar to how Manuel is chasing chivis, both of them won't take no for an answer, I think Vicente is sort of a mini-Manuel in that he's funny, hard working too like Manuel and he doesn't give up on what he wants. I also like both Manuel and chivis's parenting skills but I particularly like how close Manuel is to his kids and how he basically sees them as younger friends, that's why they are able to tell him everything and I think chivis should use that approach with major and maybe things will change with her
Olise
I noticed that the way Vicente is pursuing majo is similar to how Manuel is chasing chivis, both of them won't take no for an answer, I think Vicente is sort of a mini-Manuel in that he's funny, hard working too like Manuel and he doesn't give up on what he wants. I also like both Manuel and chivis's parenting skills but I particularly like how close Manuel is to his kids and how he basically sees them as younger friends, that's why they are able to tell him everything and I think chivis should use that approach with major and maybe things will change with her
Olise
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: Friday, August 19, 2016 at 10:54:00 AM EDT
: Friday, August 19, 2016 at 10:54:00 AM EDT
Silvana. Excellent recap as usual, novelera! And as usual great asides--I especially liked "something he has a real talent for." Good observation on Manuel's still using Ud. with Chivis; I'll add it to my list of examples about the differences between Ud. and tú--along with the previous tn example about the kidnap victim who gets the upper hand over his captor and starts addressing him with "tú." And I appreciate both your and Juanita's remarks about the other students' resentment that Andrés and Lucha are dating. It is highly unethical, and they should wait until the semester ends at least--and until Lucha graduates if there's a chance that she could have him as a professor again. I went to grad school with a woman who has had a long happy marriage to one of our (then) junior professors--but they didn't date till she had finished her masters and was working on her teaching credential, in a completely different school of the university. Vicente is obviously genuinely falling in love with MJ but is scared of commitment--and enough of a gentleman not to want to lead her on, which bodes well for their relationship; maybe he has also inherited some of Manuel's decency along with the teasing personality. Anyone who has ever seen a rom-com movie or play knows that means that by the last scene he will be engaged if not marrried. I thought the "catfight" between Lucha and Majo was really stupid. And who's the naca? Certainly not just Lucha. :) So sleazy lawyer Rafael was in on AJ's scam? Why am I not surprised?
SILVANA
I just don't see Chivis and AJ as a couple. He is far older and less attractive than she is~ guess she was a trophy wife or whatever they call it these days? Hopefully she'll be able to get a lot of money out of him before dumping him in prison!
The flirtatious relationship between Chivis and Mañuel is very well portrayed ... They remind me a lot of the Cybil Shepherd and Bruce Willis characters in 'Moonlightng.' Real chemistry there.
I just don't see Chivis and AJ as a couple. He is far older and less attractive than she is~ guess she was a trophy wife or whatever they call it these days? Hopefully she'll be able to get a lot of money out of him before dumping him in prison!
The flirtatious relationship between Chivis and Mañuel is very well portrayed ... They remind me a lot of the Cybil Shepherd and Bruce Willis characters in 'Moonlightng.' Real chemistry there.
Silvana. I realize that the confession scene was just supposed to be entertaining--which it was--but I was a little surprised that the padre didn't tell Lupita that she was supposed to be confessing her own sins, not everyone else's.
Silvana
SpanProf, I too found the confession scene rather amusing and a bit bizarre. However, I think Lupita told the padre at the start that she didn't have any sins, especially once she found out that having a novio wasn't a sin. :-)
SpanProf, I too found the confession scene rather amusing and a bit bizarre. However, I think Lupita told the padre at the start that she didn't have any sins, especially once she found out that having a novio wasn't a sin. :-)
SILVANA
I really dislike the nursery-ish music they play whenever she has a scene. She's not one year old 🙄
I really dislike the nursery-ish music they play whenever she has a scene. She's not one year old 🙄
Silvana
I'll be out of town from Sunday until next Wednesday. So I won't be able to watch Silvana nor put up a recap on Monday. Going to a Shakespeare Festival in Santa Cruz. We'll see Hamlet, Midsummer Night's Dream and Orlando (an adaptation of Virginia Woolf's novel).
I'm about 15 minutes into my recording of tonight's episode and, Jude Gray, I'm in complete agreement about wondering how the casting director ever chose the actor playing Antonio José as Silvana's husband.
I was willing to overlook his looking so much older (and fatter) but he's a pretty awful guy. I can't imagine the character of Silvana, as portrayed by Maritza Rodríguez, ever being in love with nor being fooled for years by such a disgusting guy. Maybe this is leftover animus against the guy for the serial murderer he portrayed in Bajo el Mismo Cielo but he's just a toad. I can't see why they couldn't have given the role to a slim, handsome, debonair guy that we could imagine her having been in love with.
I'll be out of town from Sunday until next Wednesday. So I won't be able to watch Silvana nor put up a recap on Monday. Going to a Shakespeare Festival in Santa Cruz. We'll see Hamlet, Midsummer Night's Dream and Orlando (an adaptation of Virginia Woolf's novel).
I'm about 15 minutes into my recording of tonight's episode and, Jude Gray, I'm in complete agreement about wondering how the casting director ever chose the actor playing Antonio José as Silvana's husband.
I was willing to overlook his looking so much older (and fatter) but he's a pretty awful guy. I can't imagine the character of Silvana, as portrayed by Maritza Rodríguez, ever being in love with nor being fooled for years by such a disgusting guy. Maybe this is leftover animus against the guy for the serial murderer he portrayed in Bajo el Mismo Cielo but he's just a toad. I can't see why they couldn't have given the role to a slim, handsome, debonair guy that we could imagine her having been in love with.
SILVANA
Yes, exactly, novelera!
I think the youngest daughter's first communion is going to be important... It has been mentioned repeatedly from the first scenes in th first episode onward! Trini needs some work on her fainting! Not believable at all. I've seen people faint and they don't get struck mute, go rigid and topple over like a felled redwood! Thought it was funny when she couldn't see Antonio Jose when he was calling out to her... Don't wear sunglasses at night, dearie! Good grief.
Yes, exactly, novelera!
I think the youngest daughter's first communion is going to be important... It has been mentioned repeatedly from the first scenes in th first episode onward! Trini needs some work on her fainting! Not believable at all. I've seen people faint and they don't get struck mute, go rigid and topple over like a felled redwood! Thought it was funny when she couldn't see Antonio Jose when he was calling out to her... Don't wear sunglasses at night, dearie! Good grief.
That Manuel/lucha father daughter scene was cute
Olise
Olise
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: Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 8:16:00 AM EDT
Silvana Sin Lana – Friday, August 19 – Capítulo 24 – Part 1/2
Antonio Jose wants to talk to Rafael in person. He was in Mexico but he came back to the US to take back what is his. Rafael doesn’t want to get involved in whatever he’s planning. Antonio José convinces him that he knows what he’s doing. By the way, has Rafael heard from Chivis?
The Padre tells Chivis that she should take Lupita to a psychologist before her first communion because little Lupe made up a bunch of stories about the family. Chivis gets him to tell her what Lupita said. She’s a little shocked and promises to talk to her daughter about it. Before he leaves, the Padre mentions that if Chivis is still married AND likes the neighbor, maybe don’t show it in front of Lupita...
Angie asks Majo what she thinks would happen if their dad came back, and how their mom would react. Majo thinks everyone would be perfect and Chivis would forgive him. Angie doesn’t think so; she sees Chivis much happier now than before. The girls also forgive each other for fighting sometimes. Trini comes in the room looking for the first-aid kit for Don Benito. She actually seems concerned about him. After she leaves, the girls agree that grandma is in love.
Antonio José’s plan involves turning himself into the police in a few weeks, and Rafael helping him get out of jail. Rafael doesn’t agree at first until Antonio José threatens to reveal some other things they’ve done in the past.
Trini takes Don Benito’s temperature. Don Benito says he’s taking care of himself; Trini responds he had better follow her instructions because she doesn’t want to end up a widow. She realizes what she just said, pretends to almost faint, and plays it off as her always saying odd things.
Stella arrives home, happy that the jealousy plan worked. Manuel is having dinner at the house with her that night. She gets even more excited thinking that Manuel might propose. Poncho is obviously not as happy.
Silvana talks to Lupita and tries to convince her that the family is the same as before, and the changes that have happened are not necessarily sins. Lupita wants to change churches since the Padre is so chismoso (gossipy).
Manuel breaks up with Stella, explaining that he’s stopped feeling the same way about her that she feels about him. Stella wants the truth – is it because of Chivis? He admits that it may have played a part. She gets even more upset and throws him out.
Andres brings a present to Lucha to apologize for how he acted at the university. He admires her personality and not caring about what others think. She says it’s never too late to change, and agrees to help him. The present is a Bossa Nova CD that he thought she would like. She does, of course. She kisses him on the cheek and invites him to stay for dinner. He declines though, saying he still has grading to do. They both claim they’re going to bed early anyway due to insomnia. When Lucha asks what keeps him awake at night, he responds with the whole Majo thing – but it’s actually ok since even though he lost a girlfriend, he gained a friend and friends are for life. He kisses her on the forehead before he leaves.
Antonio Jose wants to talk to Rafael in person. He was in Mexico but he came back to the US to take back what is his. Rafael doesn’t want to get involved in whatever he’s planning. Antonio José convinces him that he knows what he’s doing. By the way, has Rafael heard from Chivis?
The Padre tells Chivis that she should take Lupita to a psychologist before her first communion because little Lupe made up a bunch of stories about the family. Chivis gets him to tell her what Lupita said. She’s a little shocked and promises to talk to her daughter about it. Before he leaves, the Padre mentions that if Chivis is still married AND likes the neighbor, maybe don’t show it in front of Lupita...
Angie asks Majo what she thinks would happen if their dad came back, and how their mom would react. Majo thinks everyone would be perfect and Chivis would forgive him. Angie doesn’t think so; she sees Chivis much happier now than before. The girls also forgive each other for fighting sometimes. Trini comes in the room looking for the first-aid kit for Don Benito. She actually seems concerned about him. After she leaves, the girls agree that grandma is in love.
Antonio José’s plan involves turning himself into the police in a few weeks, and Rafael helping him get out of jail. Rafael doesn’t agree at first until Antonio José threatens to reveal some other things they’ve done in the past.
Trini takes Don Benito’s temperature. Don Benito says he’s taking care of himself; Trini responds he had better follow her instructions because she doesn’t want to end up a widow. She realizes what she just said, pretends to almost faint, and plays it off as her always saying odd things.
Stella arrives home, happy that the jealousy plan worked. Manuel is having dinner at the house with her that night. She gets even more excited thinking that Manuel might propose. Poncho is obviously not as happy.
Silvana talks to Lupita and tries to convince her that the family is the same as before, and the changes that have happened are not necessarily sins. Lupita wants to change churches since the Padre is so chismoso (gossipy).
Manuel breaks up with Stella, explaining that he’s stopped feeling the same way about her that she feels about him. Stella wants the truth – is it because of Chivis? He admits that it may have played a part. She gets even more upset and throws him out.
Andres brings a present to Lucha to apologize for how he acted at the university. He admires her personality and not caring about what others think. She says it’s never too late to change, and agrees to help him. The present is a Bossa Nova CD that he thought she would like. She does, of course. She kisses him on the cheek and invites him to stay for dinner. He declines though, saying he still has grading to do. They both claim they’re going to bed early anyway due to insomnia. When Lucha asks what keeps him awake at night, he responds with the whole Majo thing – but it’s actually ok since even though he lost a girlfriend, he gained a friend and friends are for life. He kisses her on the forehead before he leaves.
Silvana Sin Lana – Friday, August 19 – Capítulo 24 – Part 2/2
Vicente comes over to talk to Majo. Chivis again warns him about not hurting her daughter. Majo doesn’t really want to talk to him because of what he said the night before. She even claims that maybe she wants to get back together with Andres. Vicente laughs it off and says Andres told him that he could go after Majo if he wanted to. She doesn’t believe that Andres would say that, and she makes it clear that she and Vicente will never be novios. But she might still go dancing with him just to have fun. They both kind of agree to hang out but not be exclusive. (These two are so immature, I’m not really sure what their plan is.) Vicente goes to leave and Majo asks where he’s going. He invites her to the salsodromo, but she says no. He kisses her on the forehead before he leaves.
Manuel arrives home to Lucha still lying on the couch. He saw Andres leaving and they have a nice father-daughter talk. Lucha thinks Andres is not getting the hint that she really likes him. She’s also afraid of getting hurt. Manuel assures her that love is worth it.
Poncho and Dom arrive home and discover that Stella and Manuel broke up. Poncho has a hard time hiding his excitement. Stella thinks that Manuel only likes Chivis because she can’t do anything and it makes him feel important to help her. Stella still wants Manuel back. She declares the start of World War III with Chivis.
Manuel waits on the balcony impatiently. He throws a few pebbles, but Chivis doesn’t wake up.
The next morning, Chivis takes the trash outside and sees that roba novios (boyfriend stealer) has been painted on her van. Angie and Lupita come outside to walk to school, and they immediately think it was Margarita. Angie stomps off to confront her, with Jorge following. Margarita has no idea what they’re talking about. Manuel mentions to Chivis that it might not have been Margarita...
At the fishmarket, Manuel yells at Stella for painting the van. She denies it, saying she doesn’t remember what she did the night before.
At the bakery, Trini tells Don Benito that Margarita painted the van. Juan asks her if Angie cleared up everything about the man in the photo. Now that he’s thought about it, it was the man who was with Trini when she fainted. Trini runs off, probably to tell everyone I told you so about Antonio José.
Poncho asks Manuel if he broke up with Stella because of Chivis or because of what he told him (that he likes Stella). Manuel doesn’t answer, and asks him if Stella painted Chivis’ van. Poncho says no, but won’t exactly look him in the eyes. Domingo comes in wanting to go to lunch, and Manuel notices that his fingers have blue paint on them.
Vicente comes over to talk to Majo. Chivis again warns him about not hurting her daughter. Majo doesn’t really want to talk to him because of what he said the night before. She even claims that maybe she wants to get back together with Andres. Vicente laughs it off and says Andres told him that he could go after Majo if he wanted to. She doesn’t believe that Andres would say that, and she makes it clear that she and Vicente will never be novios. But she might still go dancing with him just to have fun. They both kind of agree to hang out but not be exclusive. (These two are so immature, I’m not really sure what their plan is.) Vicente goes to leave and Majo asks where he’s going. He invites her to the salsodromo, but she says no. He kisses her on the forehead before he leaves.
Manuel arrives home to Lucha still lying on the couch. He saw Andres leaving and they have a nice father-daughter talk. Lucha thinks Andres is not getting the hint that she really likes him. She’s also afraid of getting hurt. Manuel assures her that love is worth it.
Poncho and Dom arrive home and discover that Stella and Manuel broke up. Poncho has a hard time hiding his excitement. Stella thinks that Manuel only likes Chivis because she can’t do anything and it makes him feel important to help her. Stella still wants Manuel back. She declares the start of World War III with Chivis.
Manuel waits on the balcony impatiently. He throws a few pebbles, but Chivis doesn’t wake up.
The next morning, Chivis takes the trash outside and sees that roba novios (boyfriend stealer) has been painted on her van. Angie and Lupita come outside to walk to school, and they immediately think it was Margarita. Angie stomps off to confront her, with Jorge following. Margarita has no idea what they’re talking about. Manuel mentions to Chivis that it might not have been Margarita...
At the fishmarket, Manuel yells at Stella for painting the van. She denies it, saying she doesn’t remember what she did the night before.
At the bakery, Trini tells Don Benito that Margarita painted the van. Juan asks her if Angie cleared up everything about the man in the photo. Now that he’s thought about it, it was the man who was with Trini when she fainted. Trini runs off, probably to tell everyone I told you so about Antonio José.
Poncho asks Manuel if he broke up with Stella because of Chivis or because of what he told him (that he likes Stella). Manuel doesn’t answer, and asks him if Stella painted Chivis’ van. Poncho says no, but won’t exactly look him in the eyes. Domingo comes in wanting to go to lunch, and Manuel notices that his fingers have blue paint on them.
Silvana
J, muchísimas gracias for an absolutely marvellous recap! You've covered everything clearly and gracefully. I'm delighted that you've agreed to do recaps for Silvana.
I'm particularly happy to have last night's recap because I've (temporarily, I hope) lost all captions on Telemundo. Captions work on every other channel, but for the last few days they've been missing from Telemundo--the station for which I need them most. :-( I watched last night's episode and was relieved to see that I understood a lot, but I also missed quite a bit, and so your recap was not only a pleasure to read but also extremely helpful.
I found it amusing that after Chivis tells Lupita that she can tell her everything, Lupita tells Chivis that the padre is muy chismoso. It's clear both from this episode and from talks between Pedrito and her that Lupita understands a lot more than her family realizes.
I was amused to hear Manuel use the same expression that Lupita and Pedrito used to express the feeling of being in love: mariposas en la panza. I thought it was a phrase used only by children. Hmmm....
BTW, after watching the scenes involving Antonio José, I agree with Jude Gray and novelera about this being the wrong actor to portray Chivis' husband. Like novelera, I may be somewhat prejudiced because I associate him with the psychopath he played in Bajo el mismo cielo, but still, it's hard to see how/why Chivis ever could have married him. My guess is that Trini encouraged her strongly to do so, for all the wrong reasons.
J, muchísimas gracias for an absolutely marvellous recap! You've covered everything clearly and gracefully. I'm delighted that you've agreed to do recaps for Silvana.
I'm particularly happy to have last night's recap because I've (temporarily, I hope) lost all captions on Telemundo. Captions work on every other channel, but for the last few days they've been missing from Telemundo--the station for which I need them most. :-( I watched last night's episode and was relieved to see that I understood a lot, but I also missed quite a bit, and so your recap was not only a pleasure to read but also extremely helpful.
I found it amusing that after Chivis tells Lupita that she can tell her everything, Lupita tells Chivis that the padre is muy chismoso. It's clear both from this episode and from talks between Pedrito and her that Lupita understands a lot more than her family realizes.
I was amused to hear Manuel use the same expression that Lupita and Pedrito used to express the feeling of being in love: mariposas en la panza. I thought it was a phrase used only by children. Hmmm....
BTW, after watching the scenes involving Antonio José, I agree with Jude Gray and novelera about this being the wrong actor to portray Chivis' husband. Like novelera, I may be somewhat prejudiced because I associate him with the psychopath he played in Bajo el mismo cielo, but still, it's hard to see how/why Chivis ever could have married him. My guess is that Trini encouraged her strongly to do so, for all the wrong reasons.
Silvana. Excellent recap, J, and I'm so glad you are doing some of them You obviously have a talent! Right on about MJ's and Vicente's immaturity! Juanita: I suppose it's possible that Antonio Jose might have been much more attractive 25 years earlier, but who knows? I still maintain he was chosen for his slight resemblance to Bernie Madoff.:) And AJ is turning himself to the police in the hopes that Rafael will get him out of jail. What could possibly go wrong? :) It was certainly counterproductive for Dominique and Poncho to paint Chivis' van, but maybe that was the point.
Silvana
SpanProf, thanks for adding that AJ is planning to turn himself in to the police with the hope/expectation that Rafael will get him out of jail. I love your "What could possibly go wrong?" At any rate, that was one of the many details that went right by me, with no subtitles to call attention to what I was missing.
I love your suggestion that perhaps painting Chivis' van was meant to be counterproductive. Certainly that would make sense for Poncho. Dominique's loyalties seem somewhat divided.
SpanProf, thanks for adding that AJ is planning to turn himself in to the police with the hope/expectation that Rafael will get him out of jail. I love your "What could possibly go wrong?" At any rate, that was one of the many details that went right by me, with no subtitles to call attention to what I was missing.
I love your suggestion that perhaps painting Chivis' van was meant to be counterproductive. Certainly that would make sense for Poncho. Dominique's loyalties seem somewhat divided.
General- captioning,
Juanita, did you email
Captioning@telemundo.com
(which appears as the last caption in every episode)
Juanita, did you email
Captioning@telemundo.com
(which appears as the last caption in every episode)
Permalink posted by : Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 2:27:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 2:27:00 PM EDT
General - captioning
deb, somehow I never noticed that address! Duh. However, after searching for quite a while on the Telemundo website, I found a link that said (in Spanish) that we can report caption problems either by email or by phone. I emailed a brief note in both Spanish and English to affiliate.operations@nbcuni.com. I received no response, so the next day I called the phone number they gave: 1-866-787-6228. I spoke for quite a while with a pleasant person there, but I didn't get anywhere. She simply assured me that they had sent out the captions, so if I didn't receive them, it must be a Comcast problem.
I told her that I was able to get captions on every other channel, just not on Telemundo, but she nonetheless gave me a Comcast number to call. I had a non-conversation with Comcast's infuriating phone robot until I said the magic word "Agent." I then spoke to a real human being who was pleasant but ultimately not able to help me. She finally connected me to a more advanced specialist. He too spent quite a bit of time with me, but finally he too was unable to help. He said he was elevating the problem up yet another level, and that someone from that level would call me. This morning, I got a call, but the guy was just trying to be sure he understood the problem. It's a good thing he asked, since somehow he thought that I was only getting captions on one channel! He then said he was sending the problem on to the next level, and that "they" would would let me know when they had solved the problem. And that's where things stand now. If they continue to elevate the problem, I guess I'll eventually speak with God. Who may or may not be able to help.
Anyway, thanks very much for providing the email address. If God can't help, I'll give it a try. :-)
deb, somehow I never noticed that address! Duh. However, after searching for quite a while on the Telemundo website, I found a link that said (in Spanish) that we can report caption problems either by email or by phone. I emailed a brief note in both Spanish and English to affiliate.operations@nbcuni.com. I received no response, so the next day I called the phone number they gave: 1-866-787-6228. I spoke for quite a while with a pleasant person there, but I didn't get anywhere. She simply assured me that they had sent out the captions, so if I didn't receive them, it must be a Comcast problem.
I told her that I was able to get captions on every other channel, just not on Telemundo, but she nonetheless gave me a Comcast number to call. I had a non-conversation with Comcast's infuriating phone robot until I said the magic word "Agent." I then spoke to a real human being who was pleasant but ultimately not able to help me. She finally connected me to a more advanced specialist. He too spent quite a bit of time with me, but finally he too was unable to help. He said he was elevating the problem up yet another level, and that someone from that level would call me. This morning, I got a call, but the guy was just trying to be sure he understood the problem. It's a good thing he asked, since somehow he thought that I was only getting captions on one channel! He then said he was sending the problem on to the next level, and that "they" would would let me know when they had solved the problem. And that's where things stand now. If they continue to elevate the problem, I guess I'll eventually speak with God. Who may or may not be able to help.
Anyway, thanks very much for providing the email address. If God can't help, I'll give it a try. :-)
General- captioning,
Juanita- that email address is a direct link to Angie Nieves (Closed Captioning Supervisor) who is a miracle worker as well as a sweetheart, (although you might not get a reply until a business day).
Juanita- that email address is a direct link to Angie Nieves (Closed Captioning Supervisor) who is a miracle worker as well as a sweetheart, (although you might not get a reply until a business day).
Permalink posted by : Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 4:13:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 4:13:00 PM EDT
General - captioning
Thanks VERY much, deb! It occurs to me that the reason I didn't see that address is that it appears as the last caption every day. But if the captions fail to appear, then probably that address doesn't appear, either.
Anyway, I'm delighted to have the info you've provided. If I don't get the problem fixed in a timely fashion, I'll definitely contact Angie Nieves.
Thanks VERY much, deb! It occurs to me that the reason I didn't see that address is that it appears as the last caption every day. But if the captions fail to appear, then probably that address doesn't appear, either.
Anyway, I'm delighted to have the info you've provided. If I don't get the problem fixed in a timely fashion, I'll definitely contact Angie Nieves.
TELEMUNDO CAPTIONING:
This problem has come up many times before in the Washington, DC area and it is so frustrating! Captioning often disappears, sometimes for weeks, after big storms, and I then miss out on understanding big reveal episodes. I watch Telemundo via old fashioned antenna TVs, have researched the digital and analogue captioning technology, and it appears that captioning is an extra overlay feature that station techies don't pay much attention too. Captioning eats up bandwidth, and if they are having transmission problems, they concentrate on restoring the basic video and audio. A few years ago, a storm knocked out their antenna signal for SEVERAL DAYS. I called their station office in Arlington, VA several times and one techie was shocked to learn that they were off the air for several days. They concentrated on their cable and dish audience, and ignored their antenna audience! It took several more calls to get them to turn captioning back on. On another occasion, a techie told me that their antenna suffered expensive damage and they had to special order parts.
This past week, there was a terrible storm in DC, but the commercials aired on time, with an apology screen replacing most of Sins Senos scenes. When Sin Senos returned, there was no captioning. This time, it seems like Telemundo's source has turned off all captioning, not just regionally, but nationally.
--Mary
This problem has come up many times before in the Washington, DC area and it is so frustrating! Captioning often disappears, sometimes for weeks, after big storms, and I then miss out on understanding big reveal episodes. I watch Telemundo via old fashioned antenna TVs, have researched the digital and analogue captioning technology, and it appears that captioning is an extra overlay feature that station techies don't pay much attention too. Captioning eats up bandwidth, and if they are having transmission problems, they concentrate on restoring the basic video and audio. A few years ago, a storm knocked out their antenna signal for SEVERAL DAYS. I called their station office in Arlington, VA several times and one techie was shocked to learn that they were off the air for several days. They concentrated on their cable and dish audience, and ignored their antenna audience! It took several more calls to get them to turn captioning back on. On another occasion, a techie told me that their antenna suffered expensive damage and they had to special order parts.
This past week, there was a terrible storm in DC, but the commercials aired on time, with an apology screen replacing most of Sins Senos scenes. When Sin Senos returned, there was no captioning. This time, it seems like Telemundo's source has turned off all captioning, not just regionally, but nationally.
--Mary
Permalink posted by : Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 7:27:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 7:27:00 PM EDT
General - captioning
Mary, I found what you said quite interesting. I've got cable, and my experience for the last five or so years has been quite good. I'm sorry to hear that it's quite different for people without cable. (To be honest, I didn't even know that Telemundo is available via antenna.) Anyway, it might be a good idea if you contacted the person deb mentioned in a message here earlier today. It sounds as if she might be able to help.
I should add that Telemundo's captioning problem seems to be regional, not national. When I spoke with one of the tech people yesterday, he told me he was able to see the captions on Telemundo. But he was located on the West Coast.
Mary, I found what you said quite interesting. I've got cable, and my experience for the last five or so years has been quite good. I'm sorry to hear that it's quite different for people without cable. (To be honest, I didn't even know that Telemundo is available via antenna.) Anyway, it might be a good idea if you contacted the person deb mentioned in a message here earlier today. It sounds as if she might be able to help.
I should add that Telemundo's captioning problem seems to be regional, not national. When I spoke with one of the tech people yesterday, he told me he was able to see the captions on Telemundo. But he was located on the West Coast.
General
Juanita- here are the Telemundo stations that broadcast over the air,
http://www.telemundo.com/estaciones
Juanita- here are the Telemundo stations that broadcast over the air,
http://www.telemundo.com/estaciones
Permalink posted by : Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 8:23:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 8:23:00 PM EDT
TELEMUNDO...
the tv schedule changed the new weekday line up to,
Más Sabe el Diablo / Imperio / Tormenta de Pasiones
the tv schedule changed the new weekday line up to,
Más Sabe el Diablo / Imperio / Tormenta de Pasiones
Permalink posted by : Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 8:40:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 8:40:00 PM EDT
General - Captioning
Juanita, are you near Washington, DC? -- Comcast is my area cable provider.
--Mary
Juanita, are you near Washington, DC? -- Comcast is my area cable provider.
--Mary
Permalink posted by : Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 8:51:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 8:51:00 PM EDT
telemundo
Thanks, deb, for the info about Telemundo over the air and about changes in the daytime lineup. Using the link you provided, I found out that in the Washington DC area, Telemundo is available over the air on channel 25 HD. I tried that out on a TV not connected to cable, but the TV was apparently not able to receive HD. I imagine that's why a nearby friend without cable who tried to get Telemundo was unable to do so.
I guess I'll list all three daytime novelas on the Telemundo y Más page but not include them in the page title.
Again, many thanks!
Thanks, deb, for the info about Telemundo over the air and about changes in the daytime lineup. Using the link you provided, I found out that in the Washington DC area, Telemundo is available over the air on channel 25 HD. I tried that out on a TV not connected to cable, but the TV was apparently not able to receive HD. I imagine that's why a nearby friend without cable who tried to get Telemundo was unable to do so.
I guess I'll list all three daytime novelas on the Telemundo y Más page but not include them in the page title.
Again, many thanks!
Juanita, if the TV doesn't have a digital tuner you'll need to use a digital-to-analog box with the HD antenna since all broadcasts are digital now.
General
Thanks, J. I don't really need to get Telemundo over the air, since I have cable. I was just trying to see whether I could get Telemundo over the air on a TV not connected to cable. The TV is digital but it's not HD-capable.
Thanks, J. I don't really need to get Telemundo over the air, since I have cable. I was just trying to see whether I could get Telemundo over the air on a TV not connected to cable. The TV is digital but it's not HD-capable.
Juanita, I think your old digital TV should be able to pick up over the air shows. They will all be standard definition - 480i, including the high resolution shows. You might need a new or stronger antenna. But if our local Telemundo station doesn't switch on captioning, you still won't see the captions. Maybe my internet browsers and flash players are simply out of date, but it looks like Telemundo's recap feature of missed episodes no longer offers English captioning. I could only turn on Spanish captioning which wasn't very helpful.
It's been a few years since I've called the local Telemundo in Arlington, but I recall being finally successful by calling during business hours and selecting its tech department from its bilingual voice mail system. I spoke in English to a very nice live tech guy and begged him to consider Telemundo's contingent of English-only fans like me. He was very sweet.
--Mary
It's been a few years since I've called the local Telemundo in Arlington, but I recall being finally successful by calling during business hours and selecting its tech department from its bilingual voice mail system. I spoke in English to a very nice live tech guy and begged him to consider Telemundo's contingent of English-only fans like me. He was very sweet.
--Mary
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 10:39:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 10:39:00 AM EDT
General - captioning
Thanks, Mary, for the added information. You're right, it's quite possible that my very old antenna is simply not up to the task. It gets lots of stations with no problem, but it's ancient and no longer able to rotate. Because I have cable on the other TVs, I don't worry about the TV without cable. I was just surprised by your statement that you could get Telemundo over the air, and so I gave it a try. With a better antenna, perhaps it would have worked, although that still wouldn't have solved the captions problem.
My Internet browsers and flash player are all up to date. However, I too have noticed that Telemundo's recap feature doesn't show English subtitles, even though CC-3 is still listed. Since I use Spanish subtitles, this hasn't been an issue for me, but I'm surprised that Telemundo isn't more concerned to expand their audience to include English speakers who don't necessarily know Spanish or who simply feel more comfortable with English.
Thanks, Mary, for the added information. You're right, it's quite possible that my very old antenna is simply not up to the task. It gets lots of stations with no problem, but it's ancient and no longer able to rotate. Because I have cable on the other TVs, I don't worry about the TV without cable. I was just surprised by your statement that you could get Telemundo over the air, and so I gave it a try. With a better antenna, perhaps it would have worked, although that still wouldn't have solved the captions problem.
My Internet browsers and flash player are all up to date. However, I too have noticed that Telemundo's recap feature doesn't show English subtitles, even though CC-3 is still listed. Since I use Spanish subtitles, this hasn't been an issue for me, but I'm surprised that Telemundo isn't more concerned to expand their audience to include English speakers who don't necessarily know Spanish or who simply feel more comfortable with English.
Juanita, Telemundo was briefly having more technical difficulties this evening airing a movie. Telemundo took its time switching from analogue to digital, but its fussy digital signal is so much sharper when my antennas are set correctly. Somewhere I read that English subtitles are very useful to Spanish broadcasting because second generation Spanish family members often don't speak Spanish and can watch Spanish programs with their parents by reading the English subtitles. NBC was supposed to air an English version of the original Sin Senos series, but the sponsoring program director left NBC. BTW, I'm in Greenbelt.
--Mary
--Mary
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 7:24:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 7:24:00 PM EDT
General
Mary / Juanita- I think cable companies are obligated to rebroadcast local staions so you guys might be getting your show from the same place.
I would reccommend that you email this address Monday if you are having any problems.
Captioning@telemundo.com
Mary- this might be a little help, Telemundo has a youtube site where they post some of their shows with English subtitles, but... only the first segment of the day.
https://www.youtube.com/user/telemundoenglish
(last line, created playlists for Sin Senos, click on the title and not the video for all shows)
or
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?annotation_id=annotation_3436898587&feature=iv&list=PLuS3qy90fem80eUEPTiTTCn_nDuQkFrNx&src_vid=ipPSXvsxQhE
Mary / Juanita- I think cable companies are obligated to rebroadcast local staions so you guys might be getting your show from the same place.
I would reccommend that you email this address Monday if you are having any problems.
Captioning@telemundo.com
Mary- this might be a little help, Telemundo has a youtube site where they post some of their shows with English subtitles, but... only the first segment of the day.
https://www.youtube.com/user/telemundoenglish
(last line, created playlists for Sin Senos, click on the title and not the video for all shows)
or
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?annotation_id=annotation_3436898587&feature=iv&list=PLuS3qy90fem80eUEPTiTTCn_nDuQkFrNx&src_vid=ipPSXvsxQhE
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 8:30:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 8:30:00 PM EDT
Mary, we're almost neighbors! I'd love to be able to contact you privately. If you wouldn't mind, you could write to me at cq9 AT yahoo DOT com (replacing AT with @ and DOT with a period and no spaces) and give me an email address at which I could reach you. I don't suggest your posting a useful email address or phone number here (or any other public place on the web). The address I've provided is one I don't care about, which is the only reason I'm willing to post it.
General - Captioning and Silvana
I am delighted to report that this morning the captions have reappeared on Telemundo! Since that's the case, I'm willing to substitute for novelera and recap Silvana tonight.
I am delighted to report that this morning the captions have reappeared on Telemundo! Since that's the case, I'm willing to substitute for novelera and recap Silvana tonight.
General
Juanita and Deb, thanks for your suggestions and kindness!
Deb, my old computer can't play youtube, but if I upgrade, I'll check out your link.
Juanita, I was told that my nasty ex-Trump-like boss has hacked my Facebook and possibly my email accounts, so I haven't opened those accounts in several months. I keep putting off reporting him to Facebook and Google, etc. because of all the illegal discrimination and abuse he already got away with. In my cursed telenovela-like life, the villains always win, so I procrastinate in confronting them and checking out their damage. I appreciate your invitation and will follow up on that when I straighten up my scary Trump wannabe stalker problem.
I am a big Carmen Villalobos and Roberto Mateos fan, but only follow telenovelas whose story lines really captivate me. Since I don't know Spanish, it takes a lot of concentration and time to follow plot lines. For some reason, I found Amarte Asi, Marina, El Clon (loved the belly dancing!), Sin Senos I & II, and Mi Corazon utterly addicting. I followed others with many of the same cast members, but their stories were rather blah or too crazy for devoted close attention.
--Mary
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Juanita and Deb, thanks for your suggestions and kindness!
Deb, my old computer can't play youtube, but if I upgrade, I'll check out your link.
Juanita, I was told that my nasty ex-Trump-like boss has hacked my Facebook and possibly my email accounts, so I haven't opened those accounts in several months. I keep putting off reporting him to Facebook and Google, etc. because of all the illegal discrimination and abuse he already got away with. In my cursed telenovela-like life, the villains always win, so I procrastinate in confronting them and checking out their damage. I appreciate your invitation and will follow up on that when I straighten up my scary Trump wannabe stalker problem.
I am a big Carmen Villalobos and Roberto Mateos fan, but only follow telenovelas whose story lines really captivate me. Since I don't know Spanish, it takes a lot of concentration and time to follow plot lines. For some reason, I found Amarte Asi, Marina, El Clon (loved the belly dancing!), Sin Senos I & II, and Mi Corazon utterly addicting. I followed others with many of the same cast members, but their stories were rather blah or too crazy for devoted close attention.
--Mary
Permalink posted by : Monday, August 22, 2016 at 6:47:00 PM EDT
: Monday, August 22, 2016 at 6:47:00 PM EDT
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