Caray, Caray!

Of all the novelas I've watched I'd say that Catalina has the longest rap sheet. There is no legal punishment adequate for her crimes. The worst the law can do to her is life without parole in solitary confinement. I've heard it said that this drives people mad within a few weeks. That would spur her creativity to find a way to commit suicide, including what we call suicide by cop (when she gets arrested).

However, the world needs to be safe from her ASAP, so I propose that Vega charter a small plane for the two of them to get away. They fly into a storm and crash-land on Ilha Queimada Grande where both of them get bitten. There's no antidote for that venom and it brings on a nasty death.

Francisco needs prison time.

Since the Larios fortune will likely evaporate at the end of the investigation Alejandro can start over if he survives. Maybe get a just-above-entry level job in an ad agency and work his way up like those of us not born to privilege.

I want Leonora to survive and find happiness and for JC to stay on the wagon and become a good lawyer.
 

UA - thanks for this and all of your posts.

Catalina - I would like her to go to jail and learn that her company imploded and those remaining people she tried to kill are living their best life. Once she has experienced the horrors of jail for some years (she'll be in a facility where she'll be monitored so suicide is not an option), she can be taken down by another prisoner.

Francisco - he'll go to jail. It won't be pleasant for him as he is so weak.

Vega - goes to jail and will be harassed by those he put in jail.

Luis re-marries his ex and lives happily with her and their son.

Leonora becomes a star reporter.

JC stays sober and excels as a lawyer.

Ambar becomes a women's/children's advocate. She'll use Francisco's ill gotten gain to start this foundation.
 

Good ones, Karen.

I just had a thought about Gelica's suicide. Could it be that Catalina bribed someone to put the netting in her cell so she would kill herself? She probably knew more than we knew she knew and Catalina's cruel rejection was timed to make her kill herself.

Really, if Briscoe and Logan of the original Law & Order were on this case it would have been solved ages ago. As JC and Luis have pointed out the witnesses have either been disappearing or dropping like flies.
 

UA, thanks for posting this.

There are only 3 people that I really think deserve a hellacious karmageddon and I'll start with the worst one--Catalina. It has been posed that Alvaro's father may have been brought in to seek vengeance and kill Catalina and that may very well be. If this is so, then I would like to see him torture Catalina and cut her tongue out. Prior to this, Catalina has found Leo and the baby. She tries to take the baby, so Leo takes the gun Ambar gave her, but can;t find the courage to kill Catalina. Alejandro arrives and frantically tries to get Catalina to leave, but she refuses; so he grabs the gun and threatens to shoot Cata. Alvaro's dad, who had been following Alejandro enters and grabs Cata. He drags her away and takes her to some deep dark place where he ties her up, beats her for a while and ultimately cuts out her tongue. Alejandro who has tracked Cata through her phone enters with gun in hand and sees the gruesome scene. Cata, still lucid, pleads for help, but Alejandro slowly points the gun at her and shoots her between the eyes. FIN for the serpent.

Francisco gets his "Go to Jail" card and becomes someone's sugarbaby.

I'll ditto Karen's ending for Vega--in prison getting his payback

As for the others-- (one year later)

Leo and JC have decided to take it very slow before making the ultimate commitment.

Leo and baby have a nice home which she can afford since she has become a very successful photographer. Enter JC, briefcase in hand, announcing that he has just won another case.

Luis is being named editor in chief aa his wife and Matias watch proudly.

Alejandro is in Sierra Leone, rebuilding Gothier which he has renamed Esperanza. He is cleaning up the mess his mother made, and helping the men, women and children who were slaving away when JC visited.

Ambar is living abroad, sitting by a pool and sipping wine as a handsome man (played by Marcelo Cordoba) introduces himself.

That's it--I think I got everyone that matters :-)

 

Oh and just to make it clear, Ale shoots Cata to put her out of her misery...not that he was following in his mother’s scaly footsteps.
 

Urban, thank you!

Our creative minds have been hard at work.

Urban, I like your idea that Alejandro will have the opportunity to start again. An imperfect person who has made many mistakes but who realizes the error of his ways and not unworthy of a second chance.

Karen, you stating that you would like Catalina …"to go to jail and learn that her company imploded and those remaining people she tried to kill are living their best life" was perfect. Others surviving and even thriving is the best revenge.

"Luis is being named editor in chief aa his wife and Matias watch proudly" has me nodding in vigorous agreement Rgv Chick. Now, as for "Ambar is living abroad, sitting by a pool and sipping wine as a handsome man (played by Marcelo Cordoba) introduces himself". Let me just say I wish I'd thought of that! A well deserved ending for the unsung and rather unappreciated hero.

If he survives, Vega should be among the prison population, many of whom he helped to convict with some likely railroaded individuals who are innocent.

I think Catalina's greater punishment would be to survive. Ending her own life would seem to be by far the easier way out. Her evil machinations will be no match for the sheer strength and brutality of some of the inmates. Not sure anything else needs to be said.

I'm still not convinced JC will survive. If so, I would like to see him and Leonora together.

Francisco? Honestly? I don't even care. His fate earns a shrug from me and the same glassy stare he has shown us lo these past weeks.

A lot can happen in the two episodes left. I reserve the right to change my mind :)

Diana
 

Thank you, Urban! Karmageddon is the best!,,,

Hmmm . . .

Jail and death are too good for Catalina. I would like to see Catalina kidnapped and forced to work the diamond mines for as long as she survives.

Leonora needs to find a partner (eventually)who will see Edgar as his own son. First, she needs to recover and gain her equilibrium emotionally and professionally. I do not want to see her with JC. She had that experience with her mother and doesn’t need to be in a situation with another addict which JC will always be eventhough he is “recovering” which is what he will always be unless he relapses into addiction.

JC needs to stay sober and work on being the best lawyer he can be, He needs to find a partner (eventually) who is strong enough to not become codependent.

Alejandro needs to come out of the closet and find a profession that he finds fulfilling.

Francisco should be behind bars for many years along with Vega.

Luis and his wife should stay together not because of their child but because of each other.

That is all for now.




 

Diana, "I reserve the right to change my mind" Don't we all!! LOL Truth be told, I would really like to see Catalina survive and receive the harshest of punishments and suffering; however, given her history of mesmerizing and placing others under her evil spell, I'm afraid she would charm her way out somehow and resume her sadistic vengeance against mankind.
 

Rgv Chick: I like your ending very much. I'll bet this novela's writers haven't come up with anything half as good!
 

"I would like to see Catalina kidnapped and forced to work the diamond mines for as long as she survives".

Now THAT would be fitting, wouldn't it?? Great Jarifa.

And your comments about Leonora and JC were all very true. They probably should not be together yet, I feel if they had met first, that would have been their ending.

Perhaps we will have to be content with JC, his wife and Matias being together. Please note I said "Perhaps". I would count on nothing until FIN flashes :)

Diana
 

Diana, “I would count on nothing until FIN flashes” So true. I am looking forward to the last 2 episodes. Should be fun.
 

It is hard to dream up a fitting punishment for Catalina, given her decades of transgressions. Like everyone else, I believe a bullet would be almost a sweet release for her, and even being eaten alive by hungry rats would not last long enough.

She needs something which she considers the absolute bottom, like being some ruthless person's maid or something which will be so distasteful to her as to almost drive her insane. Let her be treated like she has treated almost everyone for her whole life.

But like death, we do not want her to have the escape of being completely looney either. She needs to be sane enough to appreciate how miserable she is.

Maybe just tie her up and make her watch TNs forever. :-)
 

UA--Thanks for returning this forum to us as an outlet for how we REALLY feel about the fates of our villains.

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I abhor violence. I do not even care for confrontations. This tn (excluding all of the narco gang tns I did and didn't watch--looking at YOU, Dragon), has been the most violent--psychologically and physically. Amor Bravio came pretty close. That said, it has also been a terrific story of greed, obsession, betrayal, love and hate and a whole lot of other stuff. That's what kept me watching and not being able to turn away. As good as this has been and kudos to Giselle G., I wish it had been longer to better develop the characters and our feelings for or against them. I'm going to have to search for the full length version. I know Urban has been a champion of the original.

Writers of these stories like to take the easy way out of a complex finale by having insanity or shot to death be the end of the worst of the villains. They do not understand our collective psyche. We want the villains punished and we want them to know it, the rest of their lives.

Catalina - Whatever makes her suffer the longest.

Francisco, the Wimp - His sexual appetite for this long term caustic relationship with Catalina needs to be curbed. His treatment of Ambar is inexcusable. I don't care if he suddenly is willing to turn himself in and bring Catalina down with him. He needs prison time (and not in a white collar campus, but hard time) and get daily doses of saltpeter--or whatever is used nowadays.

Vega - Drummed out of the police force and paraded around as an object of what corruption is like in Mexico

Alejandro - Although he seems to be coming to terms with his mother's murderous life and her manipulation of him, he doesn't have clean hands. His treatment of Leonora and Jose Carlos, to start, and Miguel to a certain extent for not being honest with himself and his orientation caused a lot of harm. I'm heartened by his changes. Counseling, moving away and starting over might be an answer, but what will he start over AS? He has no real skills or experience that I could see, though properly educated. His family is lost to him, with the exception of Ambar. I think they should be able to maintain some contact--although her preferences were always for Jose Carlos. At least the two brothers seem to have resolved their issues and realize they have a deep love for each other.

Gelica QEPD - I only want to say I thought she was the most pitiful character of all the main characters. Half victim half enabler. In all the years she served Catalina, I'm sure she was aware the feelings she had for Cat were not reciprocated. It didn't matter to her as long as she could stay in close touch (physically) with her adored object. That led her to be a silent villain, especially where Jose Carlos was concerned. She could see what it had done to him, yet she remained quiet. Towards the end she colluded with Catalina against Leonora to protect Cat, then made the ultimate sacrifice to take the blame for Miguel's death. At least she lived in a nice home and had privileges she might not otherwise had. Too bad we didn't learn more about her backstory to know why she was willing to suffer the treatment she got from Catalina (never a nice word, constantly berating her, etc.).

Josue Armenta - He set the whole story off on the track of most of the evil we saw. Without him, Catalina would have been able to continue controlling her life and the lives of those around her and maintain her social position. Maybe Ambar would have been the one to start the story rolling, but she was the most vulnerable to her wickedness and could easily have been dispatched on another try.
 

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It was at this point in the story (Armenta's call), where Catalina began to lose control and her actions became more reckless and her deeds worse and thus the need for more eradications. The more people she killed, the less in control she was. And she did it all in cold blood.

There aren't any other villains that stand out needing punishment. Only those shady characters that always seem to have their palms out for a fistful of pesos to do Catalina's bidding.

We only have Alvaro's father and Nadia left to see what their roles are in wrapping up this story.

(Couldn't believe I exceeded the max # of characters and it wasn't even a recap! Sorry for being so long-winded. Just had to get it out of my system.)
 

Oh, Kirby--Catalina watching TNs forever a punishment? Well maybe her own. Many tns are pretty good; addictive and distract nicely from real life.
 

Anita, you need to find the original. So far, I can say I prefer it to this version even though this has been an outstanding production that I have greatly enjoyed in its own right. I guess my ultimate verdict will all depend on the ending.
 

Anita, maybe sentencing her to continuous episodes of La Rosa de Guadalupe would make her want to off herself.
 

Ah, Urban, I’ll go with that one. The Virgin always wins.