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Wait, whut? Evren is breaking it off? What exactly did Bahar not trust him about? And we have just a few weeks left! Is there another season?

I think we’ve established that there is no HIPAA in Turkey. Let’s read Evren’s lab results on TV!

At least Rengin figured out where the hair on Timur’s coat came from. She came so close I thought she was sniffing Efsan’s perfume, but no, she was checking out her hair. And when Timur threw at Rengin that he cheated on his wife with her all these years, and now she’s surprised to think he’s cheating … well. that must’ve sounded like an admission to her even though we know he didn’t cheat. For whatever reason, it was good to hear her stand up for Bahar in the hearing.

I wonder if it will work out with Bahar’s mom and the head guy whose name I can’t remember. That would be sweet. It was funny to watch Nevra’s heavy-handed matchmaking.

 

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Wow. They are chopping massive amounts out of this dizi. I don't know where to begin. And Rengin did sniff Efsun's perfume. She told Efsun it was very strong and she should consider using a more delicate scent. So I guess Rengin smelled it on Timur's coat.

We are in Turkish episode 28 out of 48, where the second season finished.
There is a third season currently airing in Turkey. They are 4 episodes in. There are rumors that the series will end in a few more episodes. The ratings must be going down.

 

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It does feel like there’s a lot of missing scenes. Last night, I had the feeling it might end last night so I guess we are getting close. I wonder if the Korean original had a clear ending or if it kept starting and stopping. I hope we get a little closure when this season ends. My feelings about Timur go up and down. I want him to stop being a total jerk. I guess I would be ok with a partially jerky Timur! I like this show so much. I will miss it, even if it’s just for a pause.

Babachita
 

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Babachita, the Korean original, Dr. Cha, was only 16, 1-hour episodes. It's currently on Netflix. K-dramas are usually way shorter than our novelas and dizis.

So the Turks have taken this a lot further than the original. I haven't watched the Korean, but I might look at it once we're finished with the Turkish version.

 

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ITA, Maggie, about Evren's feeling Bahar betrayed him and breaking it off. I'm confused. The earlier cliffhanger (Friday?) showed Evren's finding out Bahar had (under pressure) told the medical panel about Evren's hand condition. And now he's decided he feels betrayed? The hits keep on coming. Bahar can't seem to get a break. I think he's suffering from massive depression over losing what gave his life meaning after such a difficult youth...surgery.

I felt like throwing my remote at the screen over Timur's behavior. He threatened Evren with releasing an image of Cem stealing the diamond bracelet. And he tried to prevent Bahar from assisting in Evren's surgery.

It seems they're working toward Evren and Cem having a better relationship. But I'm getting sick of the kid. Of course Timur went off like a maniac forbidding Umay to see him ever again (like that ever worked with a teenager). But Cem has no moral compass and keeps accusing the only person (Evren) who wants to do anything for him. That speeding up recklessly on the motorcycle in spite of Umay's fear was awful. And, on the motorcycle, we saw Evren ride off on it, so I guess it survived Cem's taking it.

I loved Rengin's speaking up for Bahar at the custody hearing. Timur had the nerve to blame Bahar for Umay's behavior. The sneaking out was on his watch!
 

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There was a lot cut that would better explain and/or mitigate circumstances. I don't have time to get to it all right now.

Evren realizes Bahar had to tell the truth to the board and told her he didn't fault her. He was told that Nurse Ferdi had something to say about the incident in the OR.

At the breakup scene, Evren told Bahar that he let her down. He knows she doesn’t want to be with someone she can’t trust so he’s breaking up with her. Seems he’s lying about his meds. He called his doc for more pills. Bahar thinks she’s regulating Evren’s meds but he could be overdosing. He didn’t come clean and he’s feeling guilty. Timur followed his suspicions and knows that Evren asked for another script. He confronted Evren about it. Eventually the truth will come out.

At first, Bahar was very angry with Umay in the ER, too, but we didn't see that, IIRC. She doesn't want Umay to see Cem either, she agreed with Timur on that. The police came to the ER. I think that’s another cut.

Umay was doing stupid stuff even when she lived with Bahar. Hard to deal with an angry teen.

A lot of these mother matters remind me of the dizi Karsu that some of us watched. I see parallels. Both Karsu and Bahar are presented as devoted mothers but I think they’ve also made a lot of mistakes. They tend to be helicopter moms and weak on the discipline. Don’t know, I guess some of that is to make up for the crappy fathers. But kids have to learn and grow, too.

I can understand Karsu more because her kids are young. I can understand why the kids are upset by being away from her. But gosh, Uraz is 25-26, an MD, and is about to get married to his pregnant gf! He’s not a child but Bahar still treats him like that. Umay is 16, not 6. Why is this temp custody thing such a trauma? Umay has been able to contact her mother by phone whenever. I think this is more of a trauma for Bahar. Umay, the angry drama teen, picks that up and runs with it.

Timur is a jerk but he’s realized some hard truths and is trying to do better in some respects. He can also be very funny but I think they edit it out or don’t give an accurate translation for some of that. Maybe I cut him some slack because I like the actor a lot.

 

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How many episodes did they chop up to smoosh into this one? What a mess! I was confused a lot of the time.

It just fries my bacon that shows are cut for showing in the US. I feel like we’re getting leftovers. And it always seems that they cut most heavily in the last episodes, the ones we’ve been waiting for. It’s like they didn’t pace their cuts evenly and suddenly they’re having to cut deeply. To fit into their schedule! And the big push to finish is to….. just start another telenovela.



 

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I agree, Maggie. It was one surprise after another last night! I like the story so much, but the editing frenzy is really annoying! To top it all off, I honestly can’t remember if Bahar and Evren were together or not at the end of last night’s episode!!! I do hope they get together in the end, which must be any day now! I dislike Efsun very much. She needs a big anvil. But, i like her daughter, so maybe not an awful one.

I’ll probably checkout the Korean original on Netflix later.

Your partner in frustration,
Babachita
 

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I'll watch this episode later today, but looks like I won't be enjoying it. The cut choppy scenes are ruining it for me. I've decided I need to spend more time with my husband and go to bed earlier! I made the right choice, lol.
 

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Also confused. Somehow Bahar was accused by Rengin of being the one coming on to Timur and Elsum (have I got her name right - the consuegra?) walks out with a smug smile. I did laugh out loud at Timur's smug face after his song, followed by, IIRC, some revealing asides to himself that were broadcast into the room.

It seemed Evren was cured by the surgery by the (female, yay!) neurosurgeon. And, yes, our longsuffering male and female protagonists seem to be together.

Also confused about how much time is passing. The evil consuegra is out of her cast but her daughter doesn't seem to be showing a baby bump yet, and with twins.

I won't be on Caray for a couple of days. My house is being reroofed. And, of course they have to take off the satellite dish. DirecTV says they will put it back up, but I don't know how long it will take them to do it.
 

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I actually did see a bit of a baby bump on Seren when she was in her blue scrubs. I think the cuts made this difficult to follow. I think Seren recognized her mother's voice over the sound system so I imagine the mix up will be revealed.

I meant to comment on yesterday's post that Umay and parla seem to have made up and Parla is looking out for her sister when she does stupid stuff. Also looks like the bad guys are still looking for Cem. Evren decorated and furnished his. New place quickly. Did you notice the difference in how the 2 brothers reacted in foster care. Evren afraid to make a wrong step and the rebel Cem.
 

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What they seem to be doing is taking about 5 hours’ worth of Turkish content and condensing it to fit into 2, 1- hour time slots (really 43 min for each ep). The show makes little sense now. We missed some deep conversations between characters.

The Efe - Cemre storyline seems to serve a purpose of bringing Seren and Uraz back together and keeping Bahar and Evren apart. And we get another liver transplant with a reluctant donor, too.

Rengin is freaking out over the possibility that Timur is cheating. First she suspected Efsun, then Bahar. Maybe both of them.

They cut Bahar singing at the NYE party. Efsun thought Timur was sending a message to her through his song. lol. Rengin heard Timur say Bahar's name during his hot mic disaster and went nuts on her. I don't know if anyone really heard Efsun's voice. Now Bahar is taking the fall.

Kat, if you are referring to the scene when was Umay stuck on Evren's boat, Parla stopped 2 random guys to make a commotion so Umay could sneak off. They cut Parla asking the guys for help.

Nevra is playing matchmaker for Gulcicek and Reha. They might have cut some of that out.

To deflect attention from Evren's issues, Timur decided to start a social media campaign highlighting Bahar's achievments. This was without her knowledge and she's gone viral.

The reporter who interviewed Bahar (with Timur) is Ebru Akel. She has a show that shares the stories of women who realized their dreams, despite the obstacles in the way.

Timur wanted Evren's test results revealed on camera because he knew they were clean. Doruk texted him.

This editing is a crime. This is one more reason why I prefer to watch the original Turkish episodes.

We are in últimas semanas but I haven't seen a replacement advertised.

 

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Wow! Dondi, thank you so much for giving us that extensive information. It takes so much of your time, but we are really really fortunate to have someone who can fill in the real Turkish story for us!

I’d like to have heard Bahar sing! I’m pleased the sisters are helping each other.

I’m very unhappy with Telemundo for this!!!
I will look for the Turkish version with English or Spanish subtitles after this winds up. I sometimes just watch in Turkish to hear the real voices, especially if I know the story, but I only know a few words.

I wonder what will be the replacement!

Thank you again!

Babachita
 

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Yep, thanks a million, dondi, for filling in some of Telemundo's blanks. It is pretty confusing. I can't even remember who Cemre is, but I know I saw another dizi that had a character with that name.

As far as I know, the replacement for Bahar will be Dinastías Casilla, the latest narconovela iteration of El Señor de los Cielos. It looks like the premiere will be October 7, a Tuesday. So...I guess they're going with the Bahar finale being on Monday the 6th.
 

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Dondi, thanks so much. You really helped enlighten us. So maybe I need to switch to Turkish on Duolingo rather than French. I finished all the Spanish course a couple of months ago. Where do you find the original Turkish episodes?

The liver transplant guy, it seemed to be a famous singer and the little we saw of him he looked like Mert from Karsu. I wonder if the actor is a semi professional singer besides being an actor.

Well a narco show in the 10 p.m. slot and me being shut off from Univision (YouTube TV dropped them) means I may actually go to bed at a reasonable time this winter.
 

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novelera, Cemre is the fiancée of the famous singer who needed the liver transplant. She came to the hospital by ambulance, totally out of control because Efe left her 2 weeks before their wedding. Turns out he left her because he became sick with Hepatitis B. Hence the liver transplant.

Dinastías Casillas is going to air at 9p (eastern time). Top Chef will end on the 6th and La Isla will take its place on the 7th from 7-9p . I suppose Bahar will continue at 10p until it's end.

 

I believe Dinastías Casillas is replacing Velvet, the hour before Bahar.
 

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This was a complete mess. I wish they’d just put a typed outline of the plot up on the screen instead so we could figure out what’s going on. Thank you so much Dondi for filling in scenes. Lots of scenes!

I remember way back when I watched Llena de Amor and by the final episodes they were cutting 4 episodes to fit into one. At that time, someone would put the full uncut episodes up on the web and before we could all get to it, Univision would take it down. By the end, some characters’ storylines were never resolved and some characters just disappeared. I thought that was the worst case of cutting I’d seen but this one is just about as bad. It’s not fun to watch – all the drama has been removed and just some fast-paced action (without context) is left. It’s like watching a slide show.

I wonder why there’s no blow-back. If they did this to an American network show people would be going nuts on the web and it would make the publications. We have a massive Spanish-speaking population, so why aren’t we hearing any outrage?

 

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Wow, that was a train wreck! Is it even worth commenting on. I have high hopes Dondi will come to our rescue. It really was a slideshow of information.

I'll start with the wedding, which they jumped to rather quickly so I'm sure scenes were cut. The judge gets food poisoning, they think, but I didn't notice anyone else getting sick and did they pull the h'ors doevres to prevent anyone else succumbing. Duruk is going to be the stand in, but then some emergency situation recalled all the
attendees to the hospital to deal with the mass casualties. Then everyone is still in their wedding finery after being with the emergency and the wedding is finally celebrated on the hospital patio, with the judge in a wheelchair apparently recovered.

I have questions about why Bahar needs to protect her name and wants the videos of Timur and Efsun. Even if it had been Bahar and Timur that were the 2 talking at the NYE party, how would that hurt her career?

It was nice to have Cem's issues with the gang explained at last.

Bahar and Evren finally have a night together, then of course it gets interrupted by Umay returning.

Rengin was diabolical trying to set Timur up. Did he actually use the money and she replaced it? I feel things were cut in that storyline.
 

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This went at the usual breakneck speed. I think the wedding-emergency-wedding sequence might have been very entertaining uncut. I chuckled at some of it, but felt that lots of scenes were cut. Best part was Efsun’s countenance. She didn't get everything her way after all.

Things looked hopeful for Evren and Bahar, but, alas, not to be…yet.

Don’t cross Regin. She certainly has a vengeful nature! I wonder what the real story is with the funds.

I wonder where this will leave us at the end that we are fast approaching?

Maggie, I really agree with you about the cutting!!! Most viewers, not privy as we are to inside information about the original production, wouldn’t know about the cuts. They probably just consider it to have been badly written.

Babachita