Monday, September 15, 2025
TELEMUNDO Y MÁS (#1): Velvet, Bahar y más: Week of September 15, 2025
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Monday, #84, 1 of 3
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BSC Mode (thanks, Dondi!) is loaded and activated. Barbie immediately implements emergency protocol to calm down Cris, but it fails. Cris orders her to accompany her to something if she wants her to calm down, but aborts that idea and smashes up a few things.
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Raul fights with Lau about how Lau is driving him crazy. Lau thinks the whole fight is funny, and also did this project for money. He never thought this would actually work until he saw Raul’s fire for the project and OMG! I think Lau went in for a kiss! Gayness confirmed! And Ric walks in on them. I sure hope Lau doesn’t turn out to be a jerk.
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Cris is going to get Ana out of Al’s head by burning all his drawings of her, all of which she’s taken outside and put into a nice pile. And maybe everything else? She actually does threaten to burn, I think, the house, but Barbie agrees that targeting the paintings would be fine. So Cris lights the pile of stuff (outside) on fire and laughs.
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Enrique comes to the atelier and Ric stops them from going in by telling them that Raul and Lau are working well together. He’s doing a bad job of making it sound like a professional agreement so maybe no one tell Ric any secrets.
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Al gets home and is really not happy about all the paintings. The nurse whose name I can’t remember says they wanted to clean it up before he go there but he asks Tania who did this. She says she doesn’t know. Jacinto wants the nurse to do something but she’s like, jeez, the boss leaves us with all this? Tania asks Jacinto why “Fiorella” would do this?
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Pepita and Pedro. Pfft. She does point out that he didn’t put up much resistance to her kissing
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Little Cindy has a fever and it’s dangerous. The nurse tried calling Cris but there was no answer so Al says he’ll take the girl to the hospital himself.
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Ric talks to Rual about he and Lau making up. Raul says Lau is crazy but he’s happy about the direction of the collection. Ric asks if it was the collection or the make out session. Ric says he never thought Lau would “play for the other team”. Neither did Raul. But Ric asks if he likes Lau, etc.
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Ana meets Carlos in the lobby of the hotel in Miami. Marga comes down too and tells him he has time to take a quick shower before they go off to wherever. He goes, and this gives Marga time to ask if Ana really loves him. She says he’s very attentive to her, but I didn’t note a statement of love (unless I missed it).
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Enrique gives Val1 crap about her marriage and wanting kids. He knows that she wants more, and then tells her she should have a kid, but with him now that she’s off the pill. She gives him a well deserved slap and tells him the divorce must have made him crazy. She’s decided that she’ll be with Val2 because he loves her while Enrique is just using her. She also doesn’t want to be anyone’s second choice (like Val2 was to her?). She leaves and he mumbles something about her and being the only heir. So he’s after her money now, apparently. Suuuuuucks.
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Al orders Jacinto to get the car so he can take Cindy to the hospital. Jacinto doesn’t look happy about this development.
Monday, #84, 2 of 3
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Gloria has shown up at the Keys and talks to Jacinto. He and Tania tell her about not being able to contact Cris, she’s with Barbie, Al paints, he’s went to Miami Hospital with the child, and Cris went nuts about the paintings. Al2 is there too. Gloria realizes right away that the drawing is of Ana and is ticked that Alessandro didn’t tell her about this. She also points out that Ana and Carlos are also in Miami! As though there would normally be any chance of them running into each other at the hospital in normal life.
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Marga tells Ana about what she saw at Pima and being threatened if she told anyone at Velvet that she saw Marco there. She’s really not liking her new(-ish) boss. Then she gets a call and he dad is in the hospital! What a surprise that they’ll have to go to the hospital!
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Raul is at a bar and Lau comes in. With his fiancé! He sucks. Raul can do better.
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Marga’s idiot dad did something stupid with knives. Her mom is there, and she’s glad to see the girls, because they both had to go and be there just at the time Al shows up. (Not sure if they told Carlos where they were going). Naturally they don’t see Al. Then Cris and Barbie come in to the hospital to meet up with Al, apologizing that they couldn’t be reached, and Barbie looks over and sees the other group! She points this out to Cris, because she’s still trying to be a friend to her for some reason. Cris finds a way to move him out of there but Barbie stays behind. Marga finally turns around and sees her, telling Ana and mom. They don’t know why she’d be there but not sure they’d care. Carlos comes in, so apparently they did tell him, and he nicely asks about Marga’s dad. Ana points out Barbie being there and Carlos goes over to “say hi”, but asks what she’s doing there. She’s supposed to be with Cris. Then Carlos berates her about letting this happen and she is ticked about being blamed for this. She should have been told but also wants to be left out of this. Not sure what she’s thinking. But Carlos wants to get Ana out of there and take her to the event. He manages to get her and Marga out just in time, right before Cris and Al and child come back to the room.
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Lau’s fiancé blathers on in the background while Raul ask Lau what’s up. He thought it would just be the two of them. Lau says he’s a footballer and uses some sport metaphor to explain the whole girlfriend thing, but Raul doesn’t get the metaphors. Pretty sure he gets the gist though.
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Back at the Keys, the “Jones” family gets back and sees Gloria there. Gloria gets mad at Marina, the nurse, for letting him leave and then orders her to get Al’s pills. Barbie confronts Gloria and says she should have known Glo would be behind all this.
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Fashion show! This is where Ana and Carlos are. Little break to look at clothes. Meh. Then the host comes out. Turns out these were Ana’s collection and she’s getting a Latina Woman of the Year Award. Good for her! She says she’s asked how the American dream came true for her and it’s because she remembered where she came from. She thanks her mother, Carmen, mentions immigrant women who fight for their dreams, young designers, etc. But she wouldn’t be there without the support of one very special person and Carlos thinks it’s him. But she says this award is for you (special person) *wherever you are*, and Carlos’s grin fades. Sorry, dude. Not you.
Monday, #84, 3 of 3
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Barbie and Gloria. Glroia tells Barbie to stop underestimating her friend. Gloria was just supporting her. Barbie points out the insanity of hiding a person and keeping up this farce for THREE YEARS. Gloria says she’s impressed with Cris’s ability to fight, which, ok.
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Al and Cris talk in the bedroom and Al doesn’t like Glroia r the fact that she’s on top of them all the time. Al would have fired Jacinto a long time ago if not for Tania needing the job. Then his pills are brought in and Cris tells him to take one. Cindy needs him to be ok. He takes the pill, but when Cris goes in for a hug, we see him take the pill out of his mouth.
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Barbie is still talking to Gloria as though Glo were reasonable. Barbie says this whole thing could collapse at any time. But when Gloria asks if Barbie is going to tell and blow up this family, Barbie says no. But she still asks what happens when Al remembers everything. No answer from Gloria.
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The next morning, Barbie and Cris talk. Barbie needs to get back to her divorce in NY but says she’ll be back soon. Cris says not to, she has her life to get back to, her freedom, (her not bothering Cris’s fantasyland anymore). Barbie is done with men for now, and wants to know that Cris is ok. Cris assures her there won’t be another attack like the one the day before. Barbie is out.
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Esteban has come to see Blanca while she recuperates from surgery. He’s back to get back the people he loves and be an honest man. He leaves her some flowers. And I just realized that I can’t remember who Marga saw at Pima. Was it Marco? Or Marco and Esteban? Esteban and Pepita? Ugh. Sorry.
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Al looks at one of his torn up drawings and asks himself, “quien soy”? Cris walks in and Al notes that Barbie isn’t with her. Al says she would have liked to talk to her. He had a dream of her, just snapshots, but he’d like to know more. Then he asks why Cris destroyed his painting. She lies about the stress of the “drunk driver” (the cover story), having to take care of Al, feed him, taking care of the kid, and her anger at the situation just boiled over. She’s a good liar. She offers to buy him new canvas.
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Raul drawing in the atelier when Lau comes up behind him with a coffee. Raul asks what game he’s playing. Lau says none, be just thought Raul would want a coffee but if he wants something more, hint hint. But Raul isn’t having this. Or him. Raul wants something serious and real. Lau says fine but you have to start with something not serious. But Raul wants someone who accepts him for who he is, accepts himself, and asks Lau if he’s gay. Lau says yes, but he doesn’t understand the football world. People have come out and it hasn’t gone well. So Raul asks about Mia (the fiancé). Lau says she’s a friend of his, his beard, and knows all about him. They were going to tell Raul the night before but he had already left. Then Lau goes in for a kiss again and maybe gets a response? They don’t show this. Baby steps.
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Divorce-o-rama! Barbie tells Enrique that she wants 30% (I think- or was it 50) of everything. “Por los buenas o las malas”, which was nice because I usually hear this phrase when someone is about to get raped. Barbie wants part of Enrique’s Velvet shares, part of some fleet in China, part of everything. That or she tells everyone about his lover. Take-no-prisoners Barbie.
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Carlos and Gloria talk about Al, and Gloria tells him the pills make him sleep most of the time so stop worrying. Carlos does not stop worrying about the whole kidnapping / fake name thing. Gloria is sure that everything is fine now so chill. Carlos wants one final answer. “Is Al getting his memory back?”
K
Bahar scored some major victories today!
But a couple of things troubled me. One was Evren not taking in his half brother. The one who was weeping that Evren hadn’t helped him when he was younger. He’s not a little kid and doesn’t need day care or picking up from school. It wouldn’t be too much of a responsibility for Evren, but no, he sends him back into the foster care system, or maybe orphanage. Rough.
The other was Sureya getting fired while the staff looked on. Yeah, the administrator had wanted to meet in her office, and he should have insisted. That’s not the sort of thing you do with an audience. Very unprofessional. I did like the dance everyone did after Bahar was reinstated.
How did everyone know to wear white to Rengin’s party? Maybe it was in the invitation? That’s the first time I’ve see chandeliers outside!
Many thanks, K, for another delightful recap.
I especially enjoyed the hospital scene. I don't know what the title of this
episode is, but I'd vote for "Hail, hail, the gang's all here!"
You asked about who Marga saw at Pima Fashion. I think it was Gloria and
Marco (two of the people I hate most). IIRC, Pilar threatened to fire Marga
if she told anyone at Velvet about this.
I spent a certain amount of time wondering about Lao/Lau, "is he or isn't
he?" Even when he said "I'm a soccer player, of course I have a novia," I
wasn't sure how to take that. But yes, finally I realized that his novia is
his ghost.
As for your saying "I sure hope Lau doesn’t turn out to be a jerk," I'd be
astonished if that happened. As you've pointed out, Telemundo is taking
"baby steps" in dealing with homosexuality, and I doubt they'd ruin their
efforts by resorting to negative stereotypes.
I loved the scene where Ana thanks that "special person, wherever you are."
Almost on cue, a disappointed Carlos shows some of his BSC facial
expressions when no one is looking.
Barbie is getting what seems to be an increasingly important role, and (I
hope) one on the side of the good guys.
Spitting out pills one is reluctant to take is quite common. However,
I thought Alberto did a rather convincing job of seeming to swallow
the pill Cris insisted he take. I was somewhat surprised and much relieved
to see him remove it from his mouth.
Again, many thanks.
Another entertaining recap, K! Thanks so much.
They teased us good with the “Hail, hail, the gang’s all here!” hospital scene. lol, Juanita.
I hope Barbie is just assessing the right time and place to drop the Albert bomba and does it soon so this can end. Anyway, this info has put her in danger now.
Is Ana stupid enough to directly confront Marco about Pima Fashion on her own?
Ok, Lau is on the DL. Afraid to come out of the “armario”. It’s sucky, but there is a lot at stake for him. Telemundo has shown same sex kisses and relationships before, nothing very graphic though. I wonder why they chose not to do so now.
Is Enrique so desperate that he would arrange an “accident” for Valentin?
Dondi- I think yes. Enrique is desperate, for both money and control of Valeria. He’s losing the first to divorce and the second to Valeria finally waking up to who he really is. Barbie was probably right about him not caring about anyone but himself and how dare Val not give him what he wants! Gerardo did a really bad job raising both his kids.
K
Another great recap, loaded with giggles for me. Thanks so much, K!
Why are kids' fevers in TNs always borderline life threatening? I thought Alberto just held out his hand for the keys rather than having Jacinto bring it around. And how did Alberto know how to get to the hospital? He has no phone and can't avail himself of my fave: google maps.
Carlos surprised Ana in the lobby, someone at the front desk called her down, and she thought it was a package or flowers.
Enjoyed "Barbie trying to be a friend for some reason". Barbie is on a full redemption tour. Also loved "her not bothering Cris's fantasyland". I think she said something about her new beau being too needy or some kind of a handful, so she's off men for now.
I enjoy it when Carlos suffers, so I really liked his falling face realizing that Ana was directing her gratitude to Alberto's ghost. The actor does really good crazy eyes.
I thought Alberto's reaction to Cris burning up a couple of paintings was muted to say the lease. She also did for one of the crane paintings IIRC.
K, Juanita got it right about Marco and Gloria meeting with Pilar.
Margarita's dad should be nowhere near a restaurant. Didn't he nearly bankrupt it when mom went to NY initially now he's chopping off his fingers with knives prepping food...but of course he was needed to get all the gang at the hospital at the same time.
I thought Chris was going to take Barbie downtown to where Al's paintings are on display. The lady in red really wouldn't have been on that tiny bonfire. She left a bunch of paintings in his studio and didn't bother to burn the Ana sketch. She is getting sloppy in her rage.
I agree, Enrique has ideas about Val's hypothetical inheritance if something happens to Val2.
I wonder if Raul and Lau prefer not to be filmed kissing and that is why they aren't showing it to us. I would guess a macho type man, even if he is an actor, might have reservations about it.
Loved the gathering at the only hospital in all Miami! Things are picking up speed. I don’t know who scares me most: Gloria, Alessandro, Enrique, Carlos, or Cris!
I’m enjoying Barbie in her new persona! I hope she stays this way. She knows much of what’s going on and can help the good guys.
Babachita
Maggie I also agree that Evren let us down when he didn't take responsibility for his half brother. Of course a boat isn't the best place for a teen, Evren has a schedule that is all over the place and if bad guys are after little bro, how can he be protected? I'm guessing he got himself involved in some gang activity and can't get out of it safely.
Yeah, everyone dressed in white was cute, and on top of that all the interns once again are at a party and not covering hospital shifts.
And the elephant in the room, Seren was influenced by her mother (who showed up at Rengin's party with her ex, that is just weird) and has the termination. Heartbreaking. I thought mom as agreed to help support them. Nannies could have been hired for the babies. I'm really confused why mom looks down on Bahar and Timur. A successful doctor and a Dr. To be I would think trumps a school principal and clothing store owner. Yes their relationship is a mess, but still...
I’m with you, Maggie. Both of those scenes were troubling. I wonder why Evren is rejecting his brother. Lots to find out about the past of these characters.
I was so mad at Sureyya that I was very happy when she was taken down. But, now that I think of it, that was an unnecessary public humiliation. It seems out of character for Bahar to be cruel, even though Sureyya would gladly do it to Bahar.
Maybe our favorite characters are going to show us their less-than-perfect sides!
Love that she might get house back! The white clothes made me wonder if this party was a wedding reception.
Babachita
I forgot to say that Barbie asked for 50% of whatever naval type company that Enrique is head of. If he baulks, she'll go after everything, including the Velvet shares and some overseas properties. Loving the new Barbie.
I really enjoyed this episode. As usual, lots happened. Never a dull moment with this show! I enjoyed the writing – the scene cutting back and forth between the lawyer visits was very well done, and I liked the scenes with Timor and Uras. Also Soreya’s parting speech to Bahar – that was a nice apology. A big plus of this show is that there are no 100% evil characters.
I don’t get the custody issue. Didn’t Umay just say she wanted to live in the big house so she could have her own bedroom? That’s not the same as saying she wanted to live with her father and not her mother. Besides, now the house (and the debt) is Bahar’s again, so I’m assuming Rengin will move out, yes?
Bahar didn’t do a great job bandaging Evren – a couple of pieces of tape and lots of bandage still flapping free. And then he sat up using his stomach muscles – how can somebody who’s just been shot point-blank in the stomach do a maneuver which is basically a sit-up? And speaking of Evren – he does seem to be doing a little something for his stepbrother but doesn’t want to see him. And there is the brother not roughhousing with the other boys but just sitting alone on his bed. I hope Evren takes some sort of action, not just leaving him some vitamins and cash.
Efsan looked like she had some bruise on one side of her mouth that lipstick didn’t completely cover. I wonder what happened to the actress.
As the episode begins, Carlos and Gloria are still talking about Alberto.
Gloria gives the impression that Alberto is really out of it, and there's
nothing to worry about. Carlos wants to know one thing: is Alberto's memory
returning? Gloria assures him that Alberto has no idea who he is. And he
didn't recognize Barbara when she was there. Gloria asks what would Carlos
do if Alberto's memory does return? Carlos tells her we'll deal with
that if it happens. Carlos also tells Gloria that he and Ana are getting
married. She claims to be very happy for him.
Ana has a rather unpleasant discussion with Marco. She wants to know what
Velvet's plans are with regard to Pima Fashion. She says she has a right to
know. Marco says that the best thing for Velvet is to acquire Pima Fashion.
Ana objects, pointing out that many people would lost their jobs. Marco
doesn't see this as a problem.
Esteban asks Emilio why he's so interested in Blanca. Emilio explains, and
then pleads with Esteban not to hurt her. Esteban gets angry, tells Emilio
to stop meddling in my life or Blanca's. He points out that he, Esteban, is
a Márquez, while Emilio is just an employee.
Enrique signs the divorce papers and gives the signed document back to
Barbie along with his wedding ring. "You got what you wanted," he tells
Barbie. He continues: "I was never happy with you. I forgot what desire was.
I needed to remember what it's like to be alive. So go ahead. One day, your
current guy will look at you just as I did." Barbie replies, "I always knew
you could hurt me, but I didn't know you'd enjoy it. You're a monster." He
and Barbie exchange "I hate you's."
Barbie see Valentin. She sighs and says "They don't make men like you any
more." She tells him that she just finalized her divorce from Enrique. She
asks him, "Want to know why I divorced Enrique? There's your answer," she
says, pointing to a picture of Valeria on the wall.
Marga comes to see Pilar. Marga talks with great joy about all the luxuries
Pilar offers her. "Offered," corrects Pilar. "You're fired." She tells
Marga that principles won't build a career. "You're talented and brilliant.
I'm going to ruin your chances of getting another job." A security man is
waiting outside Pilar's office to escort Marga out of the building.
Apparently Raúl has written a glowing letter of recommendation to a
prestigious fashion institute in London. He also submitted a catalogue
of Ric's designs. Raúl holds an envelope that contains Ric's acceptance.
Ana talks to Enzo about Marco's plans to close the Oaxaca factory. Enzo
tells her she can go to Oaxaca to say goodbye to the seamstresses. There's
nothing more I can do. Your clothes will be sold all over the world. Ana
says "no, not at the cost of so many people losing their jobs." She points
out that Benjamin Márquez always fought for his employees. Moreover, "we had
a deal. You promised to keep all the workers." Geting nowhere, Ana tells
Enzo she's quitting. Gloria has joined the discussion, and she tells Ana,
"If you leave, you'll face legal consequences." (I'm not a lawyer, and I
don't play one on TV, but since Ana claims they had a deal, and if the deal
was in writing, I would think Enzo would be the one facing legal
consequences.)
Enrique once again is with Valeria. He tells her that he gave Barbie
everything she wanted in the divorce, since she threatened to tell the world
about the relationship you and I have. As is almost always the case, the
discussion gives way to passion. As they're busy kissing and disrobing,
Valentin sees them. He's clearly devastated.
Now that Ana has left, Gloria and Enzo can speak more openly. He tells her
that he doesn't think losing Ana is a good idea. Gloria claims that Ana is
nothing special, we can find 20 like her. She's a conniving opportunist.
Enzo changes the subject. He tells Gloria that he's planning to retire from
the business. "I want to have more pleasure, and I'd like to have my
pleasure with you." Out comes the ring. Will you marry me? Of course.
Pedro says that he and Pepita are dating. Pepita looks at Marga with a big
grin and says "One person's trash is another's treasure." Turning to Pedro,
she says "Let's go, novio." At that moment, Chi (I think) comes over and
kisses Marga. Pedro looks very unhappy.
The scene shifts to Raúl and Lau/Lao (why do the English captions spell his
name differently from the Spanish captions?). Lau and Raúl are more open
about themselves and their relationship. But where can they go? Lau says
he'd gladly bring him to his place, but it's all glass, and thus it attracts
the paparazzi. Raúl says he has curtains on all the windows. Lau points out
that people could still see him enter and leave. Raúl catches sight of Ric
and says "I think I have the perfect place."
Enrique and Val have had their fun. Now Val says this isn't good for either
of us. Enrique claims that Valentin is an idiot, a mama's boy. You married
him for his money. Val doesn't deny the money part, but says it wasn't just
that. She felt he protected her. She tells Enrique that they should talk
again tomorrow, after Enrique has had a cold shower. Valentin hears all of
this.
Sofia sees Esteban. She asks why he left his job in India. He tells her that
people there who do work for Pima are like slaves. He claims he tried to
stop that, but she accused him of stealing and wanted to have him in jail.
A man comes to the Florida Keys house looking for "Gabriel Jones." He saw
"Gabriel's" paintings on display and was eager to buy more. He feels Gabriel
has great talent. Cris tries to downplay Gabriel's painting, but the man
(whose name I don't know) said that New York art collectors will love his
work. Cris puts an end to the conversation. The man tries to give "Gabriel"
his card, but Cris takes it instead. She says something vague about being in
touch, and the man leaves. Alberto wants the card. She refuses to give it to
him, claiming that the man was clearly a swindler (estafador). I
think she tears up the card, but I'm not sure. After Alberto has left the
room, Cris berates Mariana (the nurse) and asks her why Gabriel is awake. He
should have been asleep for hours. Cris then says that they have to double
the dosage of his pills. He needs to be calm and groggy. If need be, grind
the pills up and put them in his food. "I need him to need me as he used
to." Fortunately, Tania has heard the entire conversation between Cris and
the nurse.
Sofia comes to see how Blanca is doing. She also wants to talk about her
father. "He says he's different. He wants to stay in New York and do things
right. I felt closer to him than ever before. I feel I need to help him."
Blanca tells her "You can count on me."
Raúl and Lau have apparently been given use of Ric's apartment. They come
out of the bedroom, with Lau dressed only in his boxer shorts. Suddenly the
apartment door opens and Sofia enters. She's stunned by what she sees. Raúl
rushes over to close the door to the apartment before she can leave. He
explains to her "This is a secret. No one else can find out. Ric lent us his
apartment."
The scene shifts to Sofia and Ric talking about what happened. "My gaydar
must not be working," she says. "It never crossed my mind that Lau was gay."
She also mentions that Raúl seems somewhat different. Ric says, "Like a teenager in
love. Ric worries that Lau may hurt Raúl. "They're so different. Lau is
adventurous and confident, while Raúl wants a home and to have a family. He
even talked to me about having kids.
Valentin and Barbie are talking. He tells her he knows that Enrique and
Valeria are lovers. He saw them kissing in Velvet. Barbie says she didn't
want to be the one to tell him.Val2 tells Barbie he wants to buy her shares
in the companies Enrique is involved with. He's willing to pay two or
three times the normal price. "Do it for revenge on your ex," he says. I'm
going to destroy Enrique Otegui."
Esteban comes to see Blanca. She tells him that Sofia is worried about his
situation. Esteban admits he doesn't have much money. "I wouldn't want Sofia
to see me with homeless people." Blanca asks him how this happened.
Gambling, he replies. Also, I tried to stop Pilar's abuse of workers in
India. She didn't like that, and she accused me of robbing her. Blanca
tells him, "Your daughter needs to see you and to have a place to see you."
You don't have to go back to that hotel. I have an extra room here. You're
welcome to stay here. He's reluctant, but she urges him to do it for Sofia.
He thanks her.
Valentin comes to see Enrique. He suggests that the two of them go hunting.
Someone has spotted a black-tailed deer. Let's find it. Enrique is
skeptical, but he finally agrees.
Cris and the man who bought all of "Gabriel's" paintings are at an outdoor
cafe. He is eager to know more about her husband. She claims her husband has
all kinds of physical and mental problems. He only paints because his
psychiatrist said he needed something to channel his energies. The man asks
whether Cris knows why he paints so many origami cranes. Do they have
special significance? Cris gets annoyed. She tells him she's not here to
talk about her husband's painting. "I want you to return every one of them.
Name your price (her favorite statement). I don't want anyone to have these
paintings. I want them back." He tells her that won't be possible. Right now
they're on exhibit in a gallery in New York. Cris goes into BSC mode.
She grabs him by the shirt and screams "I don't want anyone to have them!!"
He replies, "Seems like it's you who needs the psychiatrist, not your
husband." He leaves.
Marco fires Ana. He lists several reasons for doing so, but perhaps the one
he feels most strongly about is his hatred of her rebellious nature. Ana
says fine, she'll take her designs and go elsewhere. He tells her she take
whatever she wants, but the names "Ana Velázquez" and "Carmen Garza" belong
to Velvet and will do so for eight more years. And on that piece of news,
the episode ends.
I thought Ana already fulfilled 3 of the 8 year commitment. Benjamin wanted to keep the Oaxaca factory open, Benjamin bankrupted the business. There is something to be said for having good business sense and perhaps cutting your losses. On the other hand sales have turned around and things are improving so this isn't necessarily a needed sale
Sofia comes back to NYC and now Rick is heading to London! Well that is bad timing
Hopefully Tania got the art dealers card from him to give to Al since she walked him out of the house. His line to Chris was golden. We all know she needs a psychiatrist.
Any hope that Carlos and Gloria will pay for their crimes? I sure hope so but there's only a week or so left.
Val 2 taking revenge with a gun on Enrique or will Enrique kill Val2? No witnesses if they are out hunting. Accidental shooting. I'm rooting for Val2 and maybe he and Barbie will get together in the end. Enrique wanting nothing to do with his daughter was especially cruel.
Yeah, the custody issue is suspect. Even if Timur gets custody she is 16. Old enough to still spend time with Mom. Joint custody makes more sense, and what's to stupid Umay from saying she just said it in the first place because she wants to move back to her old home. I think Parla moved into her room so she wouldn't really be going home again. But Bahar is back.
I was so happy seren kept the babies. That was the highlight of the episode.
There's a new intern.in town and she's quite pretty. Will the single guy interns hit on her, especially Dofurk ( or whatever the curly haired guys name is that has a crush on Bahar. ). I'll be glad when he moves on, that storyline is getting old.
I don't understand why Dr Reha list his job as chief of staff. Now Evren and Timur have another thing to flex their competitive muscles over.
I agree, Maggie, all the characters have redeeming qualities. This is a good watch.
Great recap Juanita. “Name your price (her favorite statement)”. Good one.
ITA: “(I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on TV, but since Ana claims they had a deal, and if the deal was in writing, I would think Enzo would be the one facing legal consequences.)
IIRC, Benjamin was in massive debt to a gangster. Can’t remember the exact circumstances. Did he have a gambling problem or make a business deal with them? Was that the reason for the bankruptcy?
Enrique should have put an NDA into the settlement with the penalty Barbie had to return some assets. Didn’t he realize she would tell Valentin? As for the daughter, I wonder if Barbie really cares about her or was only trying to use her as a pawn. She doesn’t strike me as a devoted mother.
Best line of the episode from art dealer, Philip Bardot: "Seems like it's you who needs the psychiatrist, not your husband."
“Someone has spotted a black-tailed deer”. Yes, Kat, I’m wondering “who” that deer will be.
Thank goodness Tania is on Albert’s side.
Anon at 4:16 is me, dondi. ps. don't get me wrong, Enrique is despicable, but I kind of agreed when he said Barbie was "belleza sin alma". She behaved like that for most of the series. I guess it takes one to know one... he's sin alma tambien.
Disgusting how all the rich snobs are trying to convince Ana she's not working class anymore and shouldn't care about the ordinary workers.
Thanks very much, Kat in SC and dondi, for your great comments.
Kat, you may be right that 3 of the 8 years have already passed. Still, not
being able to use either name for 5 more years is really unfortunate. I hope
Ana will find some way to get around or cancel that provision in the
contract. Also, I'm assuming that both Carlos and Gloria will get what they
deserve before the telenovela ends. Death? Imprisonment? Fatal illness? I am
also assuming that Ric and Sofia will wind up together, be it in NY or
London. As for Enrique and Val2 going hunting together, I was surprised when Val2 proposed this, and stunned when Enrique agreed. My assumption is that each one plans to kill the other. I too am rooting for Val2.
Dondi, thanks for providing the art dealer's name. And I suspect we all
agree that his line about Cris needing the psychiatrist, not "Gabriel," has
got to be the best line in the episode. As for Benjamin's massive debt, I
don't remember exactly how it came about, but I don't think it was from
gambling. And yes, I think gangsters were somehow involved, but I'm
not sure of the details. Whatever the cause, I do think the massive debt is
what led to Benjamin's committing suicide.
Thanks, Juanita. That was a terrific recap! Lots to mull over as this one inches into ultimas semanas. I was wondering about "Marco says the best thing would be for Velvet to acquire Pima Fashion". For some reason I thought it would be the other way round.
I'm back to wondering about Esteban. Earlier on it was pretty obvious he was there to scam his family and, as a side move, romance Blanca. So who's telling the truth? Pilar is more than capable of lying that her brother stole from the company. But I don't want Esteban and Blanca to get closer. So far her face is pretty stony. Good.
Barbie planted the seed in Valentín's mind about something between Enrique and Valeria. Since we're so close to the end, they quickly went to his overhearing some sexual behavior between his wife and his supposed confidante Enrique. Glad to see Valentín moving on from spineless overprotected mama's boy. But I don't want a shooting in the woods for either guy. Enrique needs to suffer some more. That twist surprised me. I thought Valentin's revenge would be financial, not shooting him in the woods.
Gloria and Enzo ganging up on Ana. The actor is good, but it's really wearing on me how sickly sweet she is at all times. She doesn't seem to have the capacity, or the writers don't, to express fury. Gloria and Marco have threatened her with ruining her reputation in high fashion and she just stares at them.
Twice! Ye Gods! Brain dead Pedro is now being passive in the face of a scheming b&%ch pretending he's in a relationship with her in front of Marga.
I guess Cris is fine with a man who sleeps 14 hours a day and is going to be addicted to whatever she's dosing him with. This is love?
No one ever locks the door in those Queens apartments. Sofi walked in on Lau and Raúl and she could have walked in on something more than Lau in his boxers.
Kat - Dorfurk! That had me in stitches. He’s Doruk but I think I’ll call him Dorfurk now.
Also thank you for Marisol’s name for Hilos. Too lazy to switch screens to put it in that thread.
Maggie
Thanks very much, novelera, for your insightful and delightful comments.
Like you, I'm not sure what to think about Esteban. Though he has shown his
abundant talent for sweet-talking his way out of awkward situations, I
can't shake the feeling that he may truly have changed. Less because of
Blanca than because of Sofia. I've been on the fence about Pilar as well,
but the gut feeling that now tells me to trust Esteban gives me the
opposite message about Pilar.
I tend to agree with you about not wanting Val2 to kill Enrique. Enrique
should suffer more, perhaps, as you suggest, by being wiped out financially
(AND seeing Val1 happy with Val2?). You raise a very interesting point about
Ana's apparent inability to express rage. We see her time and time again
succeeding without showing rage. Are the writers trying to say that that's
a better way? Or have they simply not thought about it at all? I don't feel
qualified to judge, since my own temperament is so different from Ana's.
And don't get me started about "Brain dead Pedro"! I have the feeling he and
Marga will be together at the novela's end, but even though Marga at times
seems too much the simpleton, she has at times shown signs of mental and
emotional strength. I continue to wish that she had someone more worthy of
her than Brain dead Pedro.
Re Ric's unlocked apartment door, I assumed that it was locked and that he'd
given Sofia a key. New York does not seem to me a place where people leave
their doors unlocked. (However, I confess that I enjoyed seeing Lau in just
his shorts.)
*Sofia is telling Pilar that she knows she tried to throw dad under the bus in India, but Pilar tells her he was making deals under the table. He stole money, then went to Monaco living high on my money til he gambled it all away ( totally believable, who should we side with?). In fact that is the question Pilar poses to her dear niece. Who do you believe?
*Mateo is surprised that Marco can keep.ana from using her name. She tells him yes, I signed a contract extending my contract when I got you reemployed (I forgot that tidbit, so yes it's another 8 years. She should keep working there and design duds and they decide to fire her). Clara is in on this convo, she's going to talk to Marco, but Mateo says he won't listen to you. Clara thinks otherwise. Ana tells her not to, she doesn't want her to lose her job. Mateo is staying at Velvet to defend Al's dreams for Velvet., until Marco fires him too.
*Raul wants to retire Marga. Pepita is the temp boss and she says no way. Raul says I need her to help me with the men's line now Rick is leaving, and Chi (he's with Marga ) you're hired too as a model. Chi is so happy, he has ideas about the pictures for the new collection. Raul is thrilled he now has a model with brains. Pepita looks like she's sucking on sour lemons. Pepita walks out, Raul asks her to bring 3 coffees!
*Val1 and Val2 talk. He rambles about how she is his goddess, he will protect her etc.she asks are you ok, you are acting kinda strangely. He's fine, he loves her and soon they will be parents, aduos
*Raul is helping Lao draw an pants design. Fiance (don't recall her name) comes in I guess she is an influencer of sorts because she starts filming the 2 of them. They have some exciting news, they have decided to have a baby. Raul and Rick's jaws drop to the floor.
*Barbie is no dummy. She had some final details about the divorce to work out with Enrique but he's not in the office. She heard he and Valentine went hunting? Val says yes. Barbie fills her in on Val2 seeing them kids and he's out for revenge. But I thought it was financially he wanted to hurt him. But now I learn they are out in the woods with guns! Call Val2, Val. Snap out of it...
*Nurse gives Al his pills, he says I'll take them, then sits in front of his easel. Chris comes in with a cool smoothie for him. Tania enters and tells Chris that her daughter is calling for her, then she warns Al they put them in the drink because they know you aren't taking them. He thanks her for the heads up.
*2 city boys stalking the deer in beige jackets. Where is their hunter orange they should be wearing, and the deer blind to wait for their prey, not to mention talking as they roam through the forest. Val2 is rambling "You know what I like about this, it's not brute force, it's an exercise in patience, you have to wait for your prey, feeling confident and safe to spring the trap." (Thank goodness for English CC's here). Enrique kneels down with his rifle trained on probably nothing. Val holds his gun up pointed at Enrique. Enrique keeps his gun trained downhill and cautions Val2 to shut up or he'll scare the deer. Val says who says I'm here for the deer as he trains his gun at Enrique. Enrique stands up, put the gun down, don't do anything crazy. Val demands to know how long have you been sleeping with my wife.
*Esteban and Pilar meet at the shows favorite restaurant. Looks like Pilar was telling the truth. He just wants another job. P:I'll never help you again. E:then I'll ruin your relationship with Sofia. I know you love her (based on the few months they got to know each other 3 years ago?) you are childless, no romantic relationships. In fact, your more alone than me. I've already started the ball rolling in turning her against you. P: I hated Benjamin, but he had a family and kept Velvet going, you on the other hand are a worthless (piece of sh*t). E:you are going to lose, get ready. She comes back with, we shall see.
Ana tells Raul and Rick about being fired. She objected to them merging with Pima fashions in pursuit of the Almighty dollar and Marco let her go. Raul is shocked. What will I do without you?
Val2: you're afraid of the Mama's boy. E: calm down don't do anything crazy.. Val: get down on your knees, toss the rifle. E: claims he was drunk last night. Val: I'm not going to kill you. But then he shoots the gun close to him. He tells E I've never killed anyone and I'm not about to start now. I'll ruin you financially though. I bought Barbies shared in your shipping company. Ooh, now E is mad. He tackles the gun away from Val and the two start wailing on each other in a very unprofessional fight with a lot of missed blows. E manages to flip him away from him and Val falls down the ravine about ten feet. But he isn't moving and has a head wound. Not looking good. But E has a legitimate self defense excuse now with that shit taken at him so I guess this won't be his downfall.
Sofia joins Val in her office. Val is doing something work related (and not frantically calling Val2). Sofia tells her about dad being back in NY. She tells her about the two stories and not knowing who to believe. Val tells her they are both egotists, first protect yourself.
Raul and Lao talk in the atelier. The gist of it is Raul can't be with someone like Lao and he dumps him. Lao walks away dejectedly.
Marco tells Gloria and Val(still glued to her phone perhaps working or trying to contact Val2 or Enrique,) that he fired Ana. Gloria is so happy. Great idea, out with the old. We either revamp or die. Do you agree Val. She hasn't been paying attention. When she is told again she disagrees with the firing, but they don't care what she thinks. Mateo comes in to speak with Val. He whispers that Valentin is in the ICU.
Enrique is at the hospital, Val, Mateo and Gloria go there. Elena, looking much prettier in a flattering hairdo, but still in a color clothes that does nothing for her, is there also. She can't believe he fell down a cliff, he was a guide in those mountains. Pilar now shows up.and takes Elena to sit down. Val whispers to Enrique was it really an accident. He swears it was.
Barbie is at her favorite watering hole. She calls a number from a slip of paper. I guess it's Chris as the scene cuts to the keys with Chris putting something (the pills?) in the safe and her phone rings. It's a weird phone that works without cell service I guess. Barbie tells her about the hunting trip and that she thinks Enrique tried to kill Val2. Barbie explains more and begs Chris to come for her brother's sake. Chris says Enrique would never do something like that. Ah, Al is listening to half the conversation. After Chris hangs up he asks her about the phone. Nuts a satellite phone for emergency. There is a problem at the company. Al.asks who is Enrique. He is a guy that stole from the company. She sure thinks fast on her feet.
Enrique assures Val some more that it was an accident, he got distracted and fell. Val tells him that he knew about us. Did he tell you anything? Enrique lies, no. He was acting weird though. More lies from him... A nurse comes out, the patient is still alive. We are taking him to the operating room. Moist are happy (Enrique not so much).
Chris has her 3 employees and she's giving them orders. Marina make sure my husband gets his medicine. Tania, you do all your duties and take care of Cindy and you are not to go anywhere near my husband or else... jacinto is in charge of security, don't let anyone in.
Esteban moves in with Blanca. Emilio is finding someone to help her out. Esteban thinks the two are really close. He's my best friend, we are practically family. Esteban hunts he may think of you as more than a friend.
Marco tells Mateo, Raul, Emilio plus Gloria that Ana quit. He presents the new creative director, Jules Santeliz. Gloria welcomes her .
Chris is packing. She gets a wad if cash from the wall safe and puts it in her suitcase. She goes into another room(bathroom?) and al.comes into the bedroom and snoops in the open suitcase. He takes the money and a piece of paper from a file she had put in it.
Pepita shows Jules the atelier. Well she's a bitch. When Marco tells Jules she is in charge of hiring and firing she fired Blanca who is on sick leave and places Pepita in charge. Raul says what about Blanca. Oh she can stay here as a seamstress. Marco grins. Jules winks at someone, not sure who. Marco seems to like her a lot.
Chris comes back into the bedroom and sees Al. He thought she had resolved the problems. She says she's going to help Barbara in LA. Al thinks he and Cindy should go with her, see their old stomping ground. Chris tells him she promised Barb she'd be 100%there for her, also the Dr says no traveling yet for you. She shuts the suitcase and leaves. Al takes the paper hed put in his pocket. Something with Ortegie letterhead.
Al tells Tania something weird is going on. How did I have my accident? She doesn't know. He says I overheard Fiorela on the phone, she's going to NY. I'm going too. (Does he have a real ID? Otherwise he'll have to drive). I have a clue, this Ortegie business. Tania, your the only one I trust. I need your help.
Chris wants the truth from Enrique. He sins his yarn. She laughs, I believe you, but I'm not so sure anyone else will if your relationship with Valeria is known. She tells him buck up, finished this drink, go shower and we'll go to the hospital together.
Marina and Al eat dinner together. He's actually abstaining as his stomach is acting up. Jacinto is heading into town for food for tomorrow that Al requested. Tania argues with him as she's convinced he's going drinking. Marina tells her to lighten up and let the man be. Al is pleased. I guess that's the help he wanted.
Chris greets Gloria at the hospital, G is surprised to see her. Chris comforts Val next. How is he. She doesn't know, he's been in surgery 6 hours. Nurse comes out. Injuries were too extensive, he didn't survive. Uh oh....
Marina is passed out. I guess some of those pills made it into the macaroni Al fixed for dinner that he skipped eating. Tania is surprised she is asleep so early. Al figures this was his only hope of getting out of town. Tell Cindy I went with her mom on a trip if she asks.
Ana tells the sisters she's moved up the wedding. Time to move on with her life. Carlos I guess offered her a new fashion house to start under a new name. Margaret says you are marrying him but you don't love him. Clara thinks it would be torture for her. He's a good man, hell care for Albertito, blah blah. But do you live him Clara now asks. I like him. I need to do this for us and for my dreams. Clara has her back.
Tania gives Al her cell phone still in its box and Celeste Jones card. She is to pretend to be drugged at the table too. Al thanks her.
That was the last comment. A bit later tonight as we went out to eat 45 minutes away with friends for his 60th b'day....we rarely go out and this makes twice this month, last week for our 41st anniversary, and now this nice dinner. Beats cooking at home! 6:00 a.m.will come too soon for me!
So much happening! I forget – did Bahar buy the engagement ring? And if so, did it get replaced by the heirloom ring Efsan brought? I also forget – Uras was apologizing to Evren, but I couldn’t remember what for. I was surprised he told Timur, without animosity, that he was going to vote for Evren. Best to just cast your secret ballot I’m thinking.
I liked Bahar’s grabbing Evren and kissing him. And later Timur seeing them holding hands as they entered the hospital.
What does Evren need meds for? The way he grabbed his arm and then quick took a pill made me think maybe heart pains.
So Evren’s brother had enough street experience to defend himself against bullies, but also enough street experience to snag a diamond bracelet. Not good! And then he gets urpy on Evren’s boat though it’s docked and hardly moving.
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