Sunday, February 10, 2008
Pasion Friday Feb 8 - Memo to Santiago: Camila is not YOUR wife
Lis talks to Ric and then when she is out in the hallway, she loudly says that he’ll regret what he has done. But OOOPS – her blindness betrays her, she didn’t realize someone was standing there in the hall. It’s Pablo. She says she was just upset, please don’t say anything about what she just said. She was over there swearing to God, her dead mother and father and all that is holy, but really heh heh I didn’t mean it. Pablo says he will keep his mouth shut. I’m not sure if he will or not. Also, I can’t see this actor (though is doing a fine job) without thinking back to when he and his mute partner worked for Cristobal in Alborada and wore those ridiculous wigs where the hair curled up on the bottom. It makes me laugh every time.
Back in her room, Lis whines to Fran about Ric getting married. Again. She comes up with some idea how to get Ric for herself and how Ric really loves her. Again.
Ric and crew get ready to leave, Mario has decided to join them. He leaves Pablo in charge of the house and the rest of them all leave.
A figure limps across the plaza in the middle of the night – it’s
Ofelia has a headache or something, Ines is making an herbal treatment. So it’s late enough for Ric and crew to sneak out to LaFont’s house, it’s so late that Santiago is the only person out in the plaza, but Ofelia and Ines are still awake and fully dressed? I guess things are more convenient this way, when
Ric and crew storm LaFont’s house. Ric has a head wrap that looks like Steven Van Zandt from Bruce Springsteen’s band. They all cover their faces and Ric rings the bell, saying he has some urgent news for Alberto. The guy opens the door and they hold him down. Ric said no noise and no killing. The all split up and search the house. Ric takes FOREVER lighting a candle and looks around LaFont’s room. He finds some documents that look interesting, then he finds some coins. Mario also looks around what looks like an office. Ric also looks like the guys at the very beginning of the movie “Brotherhood of the Wolf”, when they have their coats up over their noses. Sorry for all the references, this is what goes through my mind when I watch TV. Brotherhood of the Wolf is a very interesting movie if you haven’t seen it. Anyway. Upstairs, Nana hears something and does a very Zombie-like walk to the door and into the hall. Mario sees her and grabs her, covering her mouth. Ric hears her yell anyway and rushes out there. He meets up with Mario, they throw Nana back into her room and close the door. Nana and Manuela stress, worry, and pray. Nana says they had faces like demons!
Outside, Ric asks what happened. Mario explains and says don’t worry, they won’t recognize us. Ric complains that he doesn’t want to hurt women, Mario says yeah I know you told me a thousand times. They bicker like old women then realize they are still standing outside and have taken off their disguises. Mario thinks Ric is being a wuss, does he think Jorge and Alberto worry like that? Ric says so what, we have to be like them?
Inside they look at what they found. Ric found some letters, Ric and Mario deduce that it is correspondence between LaFont and Foreman. So, Foreman is involved in the assaults on the caravans. They realize that LaFont has been selling the gold to Foreman. Ric produces coins he found at Alberto’s house, from
Jorge gives some cash to each of the two guys who helped with the last assault. They say it isn’t enough, surely Jorge and Alberto got more. Jorge basically says so what, I’m the boss whatever I want. The other guys don’t like it. Then Gonzalo pipes up from the back of the room, he is sloppy drunk. He complains that at least they got some money, he got nothing because he was off running an errand. Jorge tells Uriel, who looks like the fourth musketeer, that he is getting one of Jorge’s concessions and Gonzalo is getting the other one. Then the third guy complains what about me? Jorge says he gets whatever the others don’t want or don’t do a good job with. More complaining. Gonzalo wants cash to pay off his debt, Jorge says if he does well with the business they’ll work that out. More complaining. These losers will surely turn on each other and make it easier for Ric to find out what happened. Perhaps Gonzalo, being so disgruntled and also a drunk, will say something. Gonzalo then says something about Ric marrying Camila right under his nose, Jorge reproaches him. Gonzalo continues, the others chime in a bit, wanting to know why Jorge doesn’t do anything. Jorge says he’s waiting for LaFont to return, then he’ll decide what to do. Gonzalo slurs “so our opinion means nothing?” Someone tells him “shut up, you’re drunk, go home.” Gonzalo trips on something but finally makes his way out the door. After he leaves, Jorge tells the others that he is worried about Gonzalo, if he opens his fool drunk yap and says even one word about all this, they are all screwed (the word he used was ‘fried’). Ah so even more now I think Gonzalo will be the one to say something stupid.
Camila is getting dressed, worried about Ric since he didn’t come over last night. Jimena tells her to calm down, this is what it will be like being married to El Antillano. Camila worries some more.
GRita says she couldn’t believe it when
In the plaza, Ascanio reads the two pronouncements, one about
Walking down a path, Camila makes excuses for being with
Manuela and Nana are worried about what happened, Manuela is worried that somehow LaFont will yell at her for this, somehow blaming it on her. I don’t put it past him. A card arries for LaFont, Manuela says that she has to take it to Jorge, she leaves.
Jimena and Ascanio discuss the ED card, Ascanio knows about it too. They are worried about it resurfacing. They wonder if Vasco lied and still has the card.
Jorge reads the card that Manuela brought. It’s from Foreman, saying that he is going to come to
Ursula walks
Ric and Camila visit Justo, who says they need to tell Vasco they are married. Camila wants to have a wedding party together with him and Ines, Ric says fine. Justo wants to go see after his businesses, Camila tells him uh no, no, we have it taken care of. Justo says he’s much better, look how his hand doesn’t shake! He holds it out for them, he has only a small tremor.
Outside, Camila asks Ric if it was wrong not to tell him, Ric says he doesn’t know, it’s her decision. She thinks he’s mad, he says he’s thinking of something else. She says always something else but he hasn’t ever told her what that is. He says there hasn’t been time, she says find the time. Then she tells him how worried she was when he didn’t come to the house last night. They run into Marcelino, who is bringing the notice to Justo about losing his concessions. He tries to run on in, but they finally convince him to let Camila sign for it instead, since Justo doesn’t know yet. Ric asks if she wants to tell him later, she doesn’t know, she’s worried that he’ll take it hard. Ric says Justo is strong, does she want him (Ric) to tell him? He says it’s easier for people to hear bad news from strangers sometime, they are better able to control themselves. She agrees. Just then Ofelia and
Ric goes inside and does a great psych job on Justo, telling him how everyone didn’t want to tell him the bad news but Ric knows better, he knows how strong Justo is and that he would be able to handle it. He explains how Jorge did it because Camila and Ric got married. Justo guesses before Ric has to tell him that Jorge took away his concessions. Ric then tells Justo how Jorge and Alberto are the ones stealing gold from the caravans, and that is why Ric came here, to bust them on it. He wants Justo’s help. He doesn’t say how but he gets Justo to swear that he won’t say anything to anyone.
Outside Camila is pacing madly,
Walking home, Ric tells Camila that he shared the info on the caravans with Justo, because his life is more important than keeping a secret.
Jorge is interrogating Manuela, she swears nothing was stolen, there were five guys, she didn’t see any of them, but Nana said they had faces like demons. Jorge wants her to stay at his house until Alberto comes home, she of course is worried that Alberto will freak out, Jorge says he’ll explain, she leaves to get ready.
Camila and Ric, who seem to have just been taking one long walk all day long (how I would love to have time like that, to just walk around with my wife all day in the sun doing whatever, that sounds awesome), run into Ascanio in the plaza and tell him that Justo knows the news now. Ascanio says what then, should we close up? Ric says sure, but take all the merchandise and put it at Justo’s house, that’s his own property. They can sell it there from the yard. But won’t Jorge get mad? Ric rightly says that Jorge will find things to get mad about no matter what, so what’s the difference. Ascanio says he’s going to go get the porno twins and get right on it. Camila says she saw Ric with Ascanio talking the other day, what about? Dang woman you are going to turn into GRita if you insist on interrogating your man, knock it off. Ric says he was telling him that he was going to get married with Camila. She asks if he trusts him so much that he told him before anyone else? Ric just says, “let’s go home.” Maybe his lies are starting to unravel.
At Ofelia’s house, she is giving cures to various peasants. Ines comes to her and says she doesn’t really trust Ursula. Ofelia plays innocent and says that Ursula just did what God told her to do. Ines says the news is out on Ursula, she likes good looking men and
She gets there in a hurry.
Monday – LaFont tells Don Gaspar that he thinks Ricardo Lopez de Carvajal is realy Ricardo Salamanca, pirate.
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Now this thing with Ric and Santiago. Ric and Cami are a couple now, and there are times that Santi needs to just butt out cuz he made his bed and it's too bad he's got to sleep in it with GRita. On the other hand, recently at times I do feel that Santiago has been right to be a bit miffed. He's married to the older sister and does know the family much better and since he was knee-high to a salamander.
Ric, perhaps because of his priviledged station in life and the fact he is a natural leader, not to mention his understandable jealousy toward Cami's first fiance, seems to trample all over the poor guy. It's bad enough he nearly died and was left a cripple when trying so ineffectively to save Cami from Jorge's bullies and the shame of her being kidnapped in a royal right of rape, but then he jumped the gun and was talked into marrying GRita.
It's just that Ric has been grinding so much proverbial salt into Santiago's emotional wounds as he proceded to win Cami, become part of the family and then literally lord his way to command over it whenever there is a major problem to be solved. If Ric weren't so jealous he might have at least extended a hand of friendship and kept Santiago in the loop when things happened, or gotten his opinion on things. Instead he and Cami, because they are the wealthy and powerful people do as they wish and he's left to pound sand.
Jimena, Mario & Ric are my fav charaters so far and Sofia was added to my list this week when she confronted Jorge after Ric & Camilla's wedding.
“Pablo says he will keep his mouth shut. I’m not sure if he will or not.” Poor Pablo is going to be conflicted big time about this.
With his young buddies, Jorge looks like he’s doing a divide and conquer routine. Wonder if it’ll work or one of them will get p. o.’d and just try to kill ol’ Jorge? Maybe the sloppy drunk. He’ll be the one to get quickly discarded, too, if he messes with The Man, ‘cause he won’t be able to hold a sword, let alone steady and aim it right.
I had a sudden thought last night. Probably the first original one in a long while. Ascanio told Jorge he was educated by the religious guys somewhere, but it was clear he didn’t have a high position or anything. What if he’s Ric’s illegitimate brother or cousin or something? They would have sent him off to be raised right but not claimed him, and he might have some feelings for Ric that Ric doesn’t even know about. Just a thought, folks.
Jeanne
Jeanne
From lower Ala
I like that Ricardo does show some human frailty in his guarded jealousy of Santi. Not that I am suggesting another whiner in the family. We have more than a full measure of whines and tears. I can't really picture Ricardo ever getting that debilitated however. In spite of ruffling his brother-in-law's ego, Ric was right about approaching Justo with a manly role Justo could adopt rather than freaking out about the loss of the concessions of his mill and store. I think Ric will do much more to help him get these back than Santi could have. Santi is sexy and sensual but not the super bright type to think outside the donkey cart.
When you're legitimately angry with someone, you can deal with that person and maybe then get past your anger. But what are you supposed to do when you're mad at yourself for something which, in retrospect, was a big stupid life-ruining mistake? He can't get over it when he's got this nagging harpy on one side and his ex-girlfriend (now married to apparently the hottest man in all of New Spain) on the other side.
I can't tell whether GRita is angry with herself or not. It's more as though she's afraid that because she got Santi through trickery, God or Fate will take him away from her. But instead of confronting the guilt, she just gets more and more bitter.
At this point, with the bitterness being so harsh, you'd think it'd actually be EASIER to confess. But she'd rather be bitter and miserable with Santi than be embarrassed and alone.
I look forward to your hilarious recaps, Ferro, as always and it's good to see you in this lively forum.
"he was complaining that CAMILA didn't come to him. Of course she would go to her own husband first". Santiago is aggravating to watch grumbling like this --and remarking on it is half the fun for us here.
Playing the devils advocate here, I'm wondering if this isn't a foreshadowing of nastier things to come. Others more in tune with the mores of that society in that time and place than I am can fill me in on the historical and social nuances. Dunno, but maybe someone out there could tell us what place and what kind of seniority Santiago would have had in the overall male family structure compared to Ric who, though Cami's husband and certainly one she should confide in first, according to some social more back then together with Ric under some social structure was supposed to have come to Santiago next. We all know, of course, with El Antillano ain't no way, no how. It would explain Santi's "outbursts". As it is, as Sad Sack Santi gets even angrier and feels even more helples and that his "respect-ometer" is at an all time low, he is slowly seeing himself as just one big lifelong screw-up.
Anyone else see shades of Pedro and Timoteo here, except it's between brothers-in-law rather than brothers?
Cami finally got a taste of her own jealousy medicine, when Ric asked how she would feel if Ursula was always around. She could've toned down her affection for Santi, especially in front of Ric. (All those crys, hugs, running to find out what's going on w/Santi, etc.) Ric was right in pointing out that it works both ways and she should show a little consideration for his feelings with her being so obviously involved in her ex's life...
jb-Iron Jack Cash
jb-Iron Jack Cash
I do want to make the distinction though, as this has come up before, that we are talking about characters on a TV show, not real people. Real people have shades of gray, on TV they usually don't and that's how we view them. If these were real people we might think of all the other factors for anything they do, but since it's TV, there are no other factors, only what we've seen. So, people aren't criticized for showing emotion, only for going overboard. And I'm sorry if it offends you, but Ines really is a horribly ugly crier. :)
What will happen when Saintly finds out he is the son of Whore-hey? That whould be interesting.
Susanlynn, you are so right about how Fernando adds affectations to his characters. In this novela, I notice how he has that really nice smile....almost as nice as Eduardo's !!! But you also know that underneath, he can also change and kill at will if someone threatens him enough. Scary!
This place is all about fun, Mexico, Spanish, and mocking. What a wonderful excuse to leave any baggage at whatever the last site was you visited. It will be there later when you look for it, so enjoy your freedom while you are here!
On the issue of why Ricardo and not Santiago: Ricardo has pledged his life to making her happy. That includes dealing with whatever she wants him to do. Santiago still seems stuck in 'it would make ME happy to still feel I have some part of you, like your need for me'.
IMO Ricardo has been curteous to Santiago and even after the sqirmish in the park Ricardo did not appear to hold a grudge against Santiago. On the other hand Santiago is STILL asking people how they feel about Ricardo and rejecting all answers because what he really wants is someone else to join forces with him against Ricardo. I remember way back when he told Camilla that his mother also agree with him (Santi) that Ricardo is not a good choice for her. Of course it wasn't true but he wanted it to be the truth.
And that conversation between Ricardo and Camilla I thought Ricardo had been asking talking about Cami hugging Santiago and he (Ricardo) was saying that he doesn't want to feel jealous.
Maybe thats why Santiago is openly hostile to Ricardo...he wants a reason to punch him out.
Captain Bonney, I like your take on Santi trying to get someone to agree with him about Ric being bad news. He's getting frustrated because it's not getting any legs at all with others, and he's almost irrational about it when he doesn't receive that response.
Jeanne
I agree with most of you about Santiago. He is a cry baby. The issue about who would tell Justo, I thought it was the logical thing to do. When Marcelino came with the notification Camila and Ric were there not Santiago. They decided right there that it was better to tell Justo right away. Also, have any of you notice that Santiago always says “because I am his son in law.” What about Ric? What is he?
Ofelia id getting annoying with her “Santiago doesn’t need Whorehey’s money.” Doesn’t she thing that maybe if whorehey knows he would cut them some slack?
Anywho as some of you said this is telenovela world
The answer cracks me up, considering that a "regular guy" doesn't usually hang around with a bunch of heavily armed, shifty-looking men, a couple of unmarried women, a super-hot sidekick with a beard braid, a letter of recommendation from a cardinal, significant funds (not even counting the stuff that got stolen), and a built-in babe magnet.
So you can't blame Santi for doubting Ascanio's word, but what would happen even if he did find the dirt he's been digging around for, and broke up Camila's marriage? He wasn't willing to leave gRita before she got pregnant, so he REALLY can't justify dumping her now.
"... Ascanio says he’s going to go get the porno twins and get right on it. Camila says she saw Ric with Ascanio talking the other day, what about? Dang woman you are going to turn into GRita if you insist on interrogating your man, knock it off. Ric says he was telling him that he was going to get married with Camila. She asks if he trusts him so much that he told him before anyone else? Ric just says, “let’s go home.” "
And from Julie:"... The answer cracks me up, considering that a "regular guy" doesn't usually hang around with a bunch of heavily armed, shifty-looking men, a couple of unmarried women, a super-hot sidekick with a beard braid, a letter of recommendation from a cardinal, significant funds (not even counting the stuff that got stolen), and a built-in babe magnet."
Jeanne
The suggesiton to rename the show Obsesion, ITA!
Julie, you said, "his (Santiago's) ex-girlfriend (now married to apparently the hottest man in all of New Spain)..." Only New Spain? Julie, my dear, that approaches d*mning by faint praise!
Finally, regarding Ofelia trying to keep her son from becoming Jorge's acknowledged heir. I came across a VERY appropriate verse, Proverbs 16:19 "Better to be of a humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the plunder with the proud." That is PRECISELY what Ofelia is worried about.
I think Santi needs a major attitude adjustment before he takes the thrown, or whatever it is that Jorge has that he'll inherit. Otherwise, in many ways, it'll be like father, like son...
jb-Iron Jack Cash
Uh-oh...My Main Man Mario seems to want to divide the plunder with the humble and lowly spirited!
Thanks, Ferro! Always a Monday pleasure to rehash Friday night.
M from CT
;-)
Remember: life is tough so let's have fun with the alternate universe we know as Pasion!
And if Ursula manages to nail Santiago before they know they're brother and sister, there will be a lot of repenting to do!
Toddson
I adore your Friday re-caps; all the more so because you don't post them right away. The wait is so worth it.
Now a complicated question and I apologise in advance if this has been already explained. So, Ricardo has two cofres of loot, which were stolen from him. Were they obtained while in service to Foreman? In which case, Foreman would be after his butt. Or was his little jaunt to Africa an independent enterprise? Some of the loot, no doubt stolen from Spanish vessels, would make Ric a criminal in the eyes of the Spanish crown. What is his rationale, if he gets the treasure back from Mancera et al? To blow the whistle on Jorge and clear his good name? This would leave him penniless. I'm confused.
I think he wants to turn in Jorge and Alberto specifically for the caravan robbing, which would (along with Bermejo confessing to the killing) get him off the hook for the murder that he was accused of long ago. Perhaps he is expecting to be pardoned for his piracy as well, if he is even in trouble for that, I think he wasn't stealing from Spanish ships then, only enemies of Spain. It's all so confusing.
Anyway, just another post to say I love this show and don't find much to mock in it. The characters are complex and interesting. Their foibles are more like those of real people than those I've seen in other novelas.
Thanks for the recap, Chris.
And yes, Sabastian is doing an excellent job in this role -- and it's a meaty role. How will Santiago reconcile knowing that all he has suffered is because of his own father? And that his mother hid this from him? How will Jorge regard him?
Despite their rivalry over Camila, Ric and Santiago share two things in common already: They both despise Vasco for what he did with the ED letter, and they both would do anything to protect Camila from Jorge.
Why can't they all just get along?
Julie, I also agree with your assessment of Grita (she's angry b/c of her manipulation) and she's passed the point of being able to confession. But its going to be really ugly when that letter gets discovered. I can see "Saintly" being mad enough (after all the badgering she's put him through) to kick her to the curb even with his kid.
And can we count on Camilla's hair remaining in the more natural and more flattering style? Will Justo get busted again if he sets up a flea market in his yard?
There was one rather strange parallel in this episode. When Sofia sent her granddaughter away so she and Ofelia could talk, she still had the child's doll in her arms. She continued to hold it much the same way Lisabeta does with her doll. Is that significant, and if so, why?
La Paloma
Ret
There is one bit of dialogue I couldn't get. It occurs here:
Ric and crew get ready to leave, Mario has decided to join them. He leaves Pablo in charge of the house and the rest of them all leave.
Right before they hit LaFont's place. Mario explains how he has been over to LaFont's so he knows the place and ...something else I didn't get...then Ric says NO! I thought he was telling Mario he couldn't go, but the next minute, all of them are leaving except for Pablo, who is left behind.
Ferro, most excellent recap of a great episode. I love it when you don't hold back. Which you hardly ever do.
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