Sunday, May 04, 2008
OT: Comment thread for Premios TV y Novela
My thoughts:
- Pasion wuz robbed! I only watched a few episode of Destillando and although I would admit that it was good as the typical novela goes, Pasion was was on a whole other level. I can see Angelica Rivera over Susana Gonzalez but Yanez over Colunga? Sergio Sendel over Jose Elias Moreno (LaFont)?? And the guion for Destillando? Wasn't it just adapted from Cafe con Aroma de Mujer? How is that even remotely fair when Pasion was a fully tricked out original romance novel? Que the hell?
- At least my girl Jimena (Marisol del Olmo) got a best supporting actress and German Robles, the guy that played Cami's first husband, who was in the novela for all of about 5 minutes got awards.
- Lots of nods to Fuego en la Sangre. Yanez, Montero and Salinas did a really nice mariachi number. Montero is supposed to be the singer but Salinas has a gorgeous voice and Yanez did a good job too with his booming voice. Joaquin Cordero who plays the crazy old granpa got some kind of lifetime achievement award and pretended to be his Fuego caracter which was amusing. I wonder if this means that Fuego is going to sweep next year's awards.
- Allisson Lozz is a younger, less stacked version of Maribel Guardia.
Labels: entertainment-news, telenovelas
Still my shout-out to Destilando...you provided me with so much snarkiness.
I'm sure I'll dream of Rod and his sniffing problems & nice seeing crazy Aaron, yeah those eyes looked a crazed tonite.
I don't know who 'the jury' was, but they clearly voted for DA so much it seemed kind of rigged, to me. The announcements of the winners came a little too rapidly in some cases, and one time a winner was out of her seat and on the way to the stage before her name was called! It was a bit suspicious to me.
I'm so glad "Jimena" won, but Pasion got cheated out of many awards IMHO. Most of all Fernando!!
So glad Marisol won. She deserved it for her work as Jimena. That would have been robbery if she hadn't won.
I too noticed this awards show this year was some sort of a popularity contest for Destilando. That's just my opinion.
How sweet it was when Ana Martin blew a kiss to Fernando and called him her "principe Colunga".
I was watching the red carpet ahead of the show and had to do a triple take because I barely recognized Marisol with the dark hair, not in braids. She is really quite beautiful. And her gown, in my opinion, was the best of the night - elegant and classy.
Did you notice the guy, I think it was Fernando, standing up in the front row as Jorge, Pablo and Eduardo came out on stage to sing their mariachi song? I wonder what he was shouting up to them?
And then at the end, with the best actor award, I think the three guys were able to hear all the chanting for Fernando because Fernando was really smiling (and kinda looked like Ernie from Sesame Street) and then at the end of Eduardo's thank yous he pointed to Fernando and then up to the balcony before he thanked Ernesto Alonso (qepd) and left the stage.
Jody :)
And, I loved the song the three Reyes sang together. I thought Eduardo sang better than Pablo and looked like he was having a real good time of it - true mark of a great entertainer.
Alisson Lozz was kind of disappointing. She's real cute and can dance, but needs to learn to sing on key. Maybe it was nerves.
I'm also happy that Marisol won, but equally happy that Ana Martin won also.
I loved Destilando and I loved Pasion, too. They are just very different. Those awards are, I think, mostly popularity contest, and the most popular novela won. P
I did notice that when Andere's name was called, Castro was the first to jump up and applaud her.
So how do they vote on this thing? Were the people in the audience the only judges? Was there a free open bar first?
I recall hearing that Pasion did not do as well in Mexico, so I guess I just have to shake my head and say different people like different things.
Oh well. I loved Destilando, and in many ways it was more fun to recap. But Pasion was truly special, and I felt that it was better in almost every way.
By the way, what was the deal with Grampa from Fuego in his pajamas? (I had the captions turned off and I was flipping back and forth between the awards and my other shows...)
I too thought Marisol looked fab. The color of her dress was beautiful and complimented her now dark hair. There were a few best dressed ladies in the audience but I have to point out that Susanna Gonzales looked sexy but classy. She went a smart & safe choice with a black dress and ladies you can never go wrong with a black dress. Plus it made her red hair pop. I saw her in "Amigas Y Rivales" and personally she looks better with red or auburn hair.
Last but definately not least the guys looked great sporting the casual wear. I have to do a eeny meeny miny mo cuz they all looked great so clear cut fav here.
If Pasion didn't do that well in Mexico, then it makes sense it wouldn't do well in an awards show based in Mexico. If someone who lives (have lived) in Mexico who is familiar with this awards show can fill in the blanks on the voting procedure for it, it would be appreciated.
Oh - on rereading the original post I see he was supposed to be in character. So he was in PJ's and not really sick... Thanks, Margaret!
Who took the Best Supporting Actor role? Who were the nominees? I missed that segment entirely.
I thought it was a total crime that La Paisana lost to Gaviota's mother. I like Ana Martin, but I thought that she was a little over-the-top as Gavi's mom. Maybe she deserves an Veteran Actress Award (is that what they mean by "Primera"?), but not for that role!
Ugh, it was a night of robberies.
I could not believe that Ninel Conde number--she was wearing a belly dancing costume and her choreography was like Shakira's . . . if Shakira had decided to become a Scores dancer.
That said, I thought it was a great song and could be a crossover hit in the English-speaking market.
Allison Lozz looked a bit nervous and sounded nervous too, but it was cute how her castmates were cheering her on.
I couldn't get into Destilando, so I naturally would have voted for Pasion, even though I checked out for the middle weeks and returned for the end. But Pasion was not most popular in Mexico. Guapos has been most popular here, although Fuego may move into the top spot.
Gramps has been acting a loooong time, obviously, so it's good he won his award. And those weren't pajamas...his shirt is considered a dress shirt in Mexico and other central american countries, I think, but I can't remember the name of it. It would be like wearing a suit, but in the heat, the dress shirt would be cooler to wear.
Did you notice how Fernando C. stood up and applauded for Eduardo? What a good sport! Too bad Sergio Sendel won over Bouffy, I think Bouffy was the better evil actor, hands down!
The three galans were surprisingly good singers! That was good entertainment! And, yes, Alison looked nervous, but it was a good effort.
There really seemed to be no credit at all for what the actors on Pasion had to do on this show. The clips for Bouffy showed him in all kinds of action scenes, in period costume etc. The scenes with Sendel just showed him snorting and rolling his eyes in some office.
I watched when they announced how the scores are counted ( I already new the results). First, month in advance the TV audience decides who are contenders. And after that everything is in the hands of the 10 people jury during the award evening. There also where included a few more people from the audience but I think they were counted as 1 vote. So 11 votes decided who is a winner.
The head of the jury was producer of Fuego, some of the members were people who made LFMB and some I didn't recognize. When you have a head of the jury casting one of the contenders in his current TN - it's doesn't sound kosher!
Overall the feeling was that all voting results were set long before the "party started".
I posted some of my thoughts under Fuego thread first and I will copy them here as well.
Eve from Cleveland
I laughed during the three amigos number. EY should stick to his day job and Pablo wasn't at his best. I was surprised at Salinas. I've been a fan of his for years back to his Morelia days and didn't know he could sing. Then A remembered he was in the original cast of Solo Por Mujers and they did sing as well as dance. They seemed to having a ton of fun.
Our girl Allysson did seem nervous but it was sweet to see her cast mates singing along and cheering for her.
Lastly enough already with the endless flogging of Fuego. I wonder if it is having ratings problems in Mexico?
Every year it seems one novela walks off with all the awards. Next year it could be Guapos or something we haven't even seen yet.
I was devastated all week knowing the results since they originally were announced. This was a fixed voting. The head of the jury of 10 people was a producer of Fuego ( and we all know that he is casting EY )and almost all but 2 awards went to Destilando.
I'm really happy for Marisol who won the award. Also won the old guy - German Robles ( - who played Camilas's husband Tim. That's it! Even the award for original play (!) went to Desti even though everybody knows that it was remake of Café con Aroma de Mujer. Shame on them!
I'm just so mad!
EY plays all his roles absolutely identical - I'm still trying to distinguish his current character from Rodrigo. He is in no comparison to Fernando Colunga!
All villain should have gone to Pasion instead! Phone wrecking Aaron against "one eye"-"one leg"-"no head" Bouffy or evil ciega cuz Lis vs. whoever Chantal was - no comparison!
I'm OK with Ana Martin ( Gaviota's mom) vs. Paisana, especially when Ana Martin was getting her award the first phrase was - "Colunga, me principe!" - Colunga, my prince!
But Tomassi ( Aaron's dad) won against Rulli??? What did they think?
I have double feelings for Gaviota vs Camila - I would vote for both, so not too much of distress here.
And all general filming awards went to Desti - it's a shame! Camerawork showing agave fields and technology how to produce tequila was better then real action movie battle on ships or Ric's really exciting sword fighting or all love scenes????
And consequently the best movie award ...
Overall it was the greatest disappointment!
I wish we could sent our love and admiration to sra Carla Estrada and all her team and especially to Fernando Colunga!
Eve from Cleveland
Other than Marisol and German Robles, the acting awards went to the best overactors, which Destilando was full of.
I was laughing at how hot it must have been in that auditorium - everyone had shiny, sweaty foreheads. Even in Acapulco the a.c. ought to work.
The show itself wins "Worst Production" - the sound was laughably bad, the camera work boring (hardly any audience shots),
no scene design, the audience looked cramped and hot. What a joke!
BEST moment - Ana Martin calling Fernado her prince! ¡Cierto!
Please don't give me the stink eye for my opinions, F C fans. Just kidding.
G in CA
My husband was pretty much bored senseless with Pasions, he knows basic Mexican history (esp the Pancho Villa part), but he found the language tedious and it was pretty sad that he was asking me what certain words meant.
It's like ask the avg american what they would like better, Desperate Housewives or John Adams on HBO. I think you'll have your answer.
Most people could relate to the whole how you make Tequila thing..but most people can't relate to the pirates thing, maybe if you grew up in Vera Cruz, but anywhere else not so much.
Also the whole aristocrat thing where they just raped women and so on probably did happen, but Mexico has always had ways with taking care of people like that and I laughed when I would see Lafont riding around by himself..in reality he would have been so dead.
People like him did not travel without heavy guards
The same is happening now with Fuego that i read is very popular around in Mexico but a lot of people cast their doubts that it would have the same effect on other countries. Even we can tell that it's not a masterpiece!
If it was a popularity contest they could of given awards by results of the viewing audience, the numbers are easily available!
Why bother then with such a farse like we had yesterday?
Eve from Cleveland
Eduardo better not win again next year for a third time especially for FUEGO since his role is very similar to the one in D A.
G in CA
When it finally got to best production I no longer expected Carla to be acknowledged with the award that she earned. Pasion was treated like an art piece.
When it comes to selecting a show and saying it was more popular it runs the risk of number counting. If they don't ask everybody then the numbers are wrong. And of course they can't ask everybody.
I can't imagine any of the professionals in that audience leaving the theater believing they did a better job than the crew and cast of Pasion or the set designers even. It didn't get awards that I wanted them to get but Pasion didn't lose anything.
It was great performance on every level. The work itself should last as art like paintings in a museum, for study and enjoyment.
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Shakespeare is not popular until you study him in high school.
For best senior actor, why German and not the one who played Don Jorge? He was fabulous!
The loss for our fave Bouffy bothered me the most. He was THE MOST impressive villain I've seen in around 10 years of watching these things. He was always in character, always evil. And he never seemed to be smirking in a moustache-twirling over the top kind of way. Just totally acting the role the whole time.
And I forget the exact category, something about directing the scenes. And they showed the fabulous boarding scene by the pirates when Fer swings onto the boat. And Pasión lost the category!
Last year, Fea was La Reina de la Noche (!!) like DA this year. Fea won nearly every category. Even Jose Jose who was so catatonic, he makes our beloved Pablo look manic by comparison. Even the Fea theme song which makes me wish I was listening to a bagpipe concert instead. Fea swept nearly every category. Fea was wildly popular in MX and the US, so if TVyNov was a popularity contest, it would win on that count alone.
The best thing about Fea was Camil's Don Fernando. Some say the only good thing about it was Camil (I differ; I loved the whole show). He gave a legendary performance on a legendary show. Overacted, yes, but it was supposed to be. Since the show ruled the awards, he was a shoe-in for Best Actor, right? He WAS the show! He'd won the popular voting by a landslide. Yet he lost the award to Yanez.
How'd that happen? Well, it turns out that Camil is not contracted to Televisa. He's independent; he does not belong to the network like the others. And Televisa was not about to let a non-contract actor, especially in his first novela lead, win the prize of the night, Best Actor. No way, no how, regardless of the popular vote. So the judges made sure Yanez won.
So you see, the choices for those little statues are about as "fair and impartial" as the time Marcia Brady tried out for the cheerleading squad. It's all scripted by the writers, and as always, Big Brother Televisa gets what it wants. View it as a night to see your favorites out of costume, in pretty dresses, but certainly don't view it as an honest contest. Far from it.
So without contract - no awards? I wish I knew it a week ago, it would of save me the aggravation!
Well, in that case - I will stay with for non-contracted art piece as a Pasion and all the team who made it into it! And I agree completely with Bonney Churros that it's like artwork in the museum, perfectly made from any angle.
Eve from Cleveland
While that is all true, don't you know that sat well with his TeleNovela peers, that is why I figured he didn't win. I actually saw him in some earlier TeleNovelas and his performance was so bland, I didn't even remember him. So I am sure his quoting his resume didn't go over well with people who have been grinding these things out 3 a year for a couple of decades
I was ok with Angelica Rivera winning for Gaviota, but thought the Pasion villains gave a vastly superior performance.
Couldn't believe Sebastian Rulli lost to Destilando Dad.
Very happy for Marisol winning for Jimena and for German Robles--loved him as Timoteo.
Eduardo over Fernando--never in a million years or a million roles. He does play each role the same.
Milli/Allison singing was not the best, but cute performance.
The tres Reyes hermanos singing--that was kinda fun. When they finished and turned, leaving the stage, you could see they worked in a bakery--those were some nice buns on display.
Now I know not to take this show seriously, if I watch it another year.
La Paloma
Hope it's ok to post this here. Just a teeny suggestion....from a sad fan of Pasion.
I get it, so Pasion was like Masterpiece Theater... but with much, much hotter people. And pirates. And no English people, except for that one guy who wasn't even really British.
I'm just hoping Fuego doesn't turn out like Benny Hill!
La Paloma
Fernando C. likes motorcycles. Maybe they could do a quick biker version of Pasion. La Paisana would be natural for a motorcycle mama, as would Jimena.
Eve from Cleveland
Yeah, it was cute how her companyeritos were cheering her on.
Julie, you always crack me up. "I always feel better about something when it's explained with a Brady Bunch analogy." Of course Fuego will never be anything like Benny Hill. Benny Hill was far too serious to be similar!
Seriously, like in LFMB, Fernando and Omar were awesome, and I don't mean it in a romantic way..towards the end Marsha or whatever Fern's ex's name was would have been fun. Simon with out Niurka and Aldo only for the eyerolling and to stick him with the check. I kinda thought Juanita was funny & Lola needed to cut loose.
On Destilando, Gavi would have been fun, Sofie would have been fun to snark on, Aaron would have been awesome in a snide way, Rod's lil sis and her boyfriend. Rod would be fun when he was drunk and not setting cabins and crap on fire..to get the for God's Sake Man Pull yourself together, walk it off and buy us another round. Rod's wife I forgot her name, would have been a hoot to be around when she was sporting the baby belly clothes.
Pasions, Jimena, Mario, Vasco, maybe even slut Ursula, & for sure Tia Fortuna, she was just waiting to cut loose, the twins and several of the pirates.
See I only see these people in the context of amusing me.
Guapos..
Geez, really Damien would probably be the most fun to party with as long as you didn't carry any money, even Consti in a snotty kinda of way. The kids are too young for me to rate. Luci would be okay cause you could torture her with snide baby daddy comments.
One thing that made it difficult to judge the singers was the poor sound production.
By the way, I'm probably wrong, but I thought they were talking about the show being al aire libre, which means outside. Could it have been an ampitheatre? It's much harder to control sound in these, and that would explain all the sweating.
Thanks for the explanations on how this award show works. If any of the losing actors were upset by it, they didn't show it (at least on camera..lol).
I just have not been able to get into "Fuege". I've tried & tried & it is just not capturing my interest. Maybe I just need a break from the telenovias for a while (hahahaha).
Last year I was crushed when Jaime Camil didn’t win, but then I saw DA and saw what Yanez could do and I was blown away. I don’t think anybody can do an emotional melt-down scene like he does. And Sergio in DA was worth the price of admission – he was terrific.
I didn’t get the voting procedure either – it looked like the one they have on America’s Funniest Home Videos!
jb
One more thing, someone said that Yanez got the award for La verdad oculta cause Jaimi didn't have a contract with Televisa, guess what? Yanez doesn't have an exclusivity contract with Televisa either! So i don't know what's your point really hehe..
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