Wednesday, December 03, 2008
Tontas Tuesday Dec. 2, '08 "I'm Gonna Make It If I Try" (MTM)
Have to write this quickly. My son's paper is taking longer than usual, so while he's taking a 5 am nap and break, I'll try to get this written and posted. All night long the theme song from Mary Tyler Moore was going through my head. The overhead shot of Cande, with a new hairdo and clothes, twirling in the middle of a courtyard was reminiscent of Mary Tyler Moore tossing her winter cap in the air, vowing to leave the old heartbreak behind and make a new life for herself. She didn't have the addition of an unintended pregnancy however!
Back to the wedding now, and how it all came apart:
There's a brief rehash where we see a love-besotted Cande and Pato gazing at the Acapulco beach and vowing to come back every year on their anniversary to celebrate. Then the fateful moment when Cande opens the door and finds her groom and her older sister locked in a passionate kiss. Alas, it doesn't look one-sided! Cande tears out of there while a frantic Pato follows, begging her forgiveness. In front of the stunned guests, she strips off the dress, veil and shoes (because Pato bought them all) and sets off down the beach, leaving us relieved that at least her lingerie was a gift of her girlfriends. Mother scurries after her shrieking You've shamed us all. Don't mess up your wedding because of that kiss. Nuthin' doin'. Cande continues her stomp down the beach,looking oddly dignified, hails a taxi (even though it's obvious she doesn't have any money on her) and the die is cast.
There's a dismal wrapup back at the hotel, giving us a further glimpse into the dynamics of her family. Alicia is clearly the black sheep...I KNOW what you're doing in Tiajuana, sneers her mother, but big sis' is unrepentant. Today I believe in God...in divine justice she replies. So we're getting hints that she considers Cande responsible for the death of HER dreams. And we see a memory moment of her finding Cande putting on her ballet slippers, Alicia grabbing them, falling down the stairs, breaking her leg in such a way that her dreams of being a professional ballerina are dashed forever.
Now the camera pans to a bereft Pato, clutching the wedding dress to his chest, with his mom fluttering at his side, begging him to talk to his father. She turns, sees Santiago (Jaime Camil) and re-flutters in his direction, apologizing for the shambles of a wedding and wondering what should she do. Santiago gently tells her to be with her son, that's all. Her son needs her at this moment.
Alas, what Patricio gets instead, is his bitter dad who grabs the dress, tosses it in the water and tells Pato he should never have even considered marrying the daughter of a lowly employee. Why did you marry mom? asks Pato. Were you in love? Are you happy? Is that why you drown yourself in alcohol?
She's a good woman from a wealthy family. But like I told you before, no woman is worth a man's life!
Okay, the lines are clearly drawn. If Pops is scheduled for a spiritual transformation, it's going to take a looooooong time.
A similar cynical conversation is taking place between Cande and her mom. (script writers seem to love these mirror scenes). We learn that Dad had a pretty light leg, up till age 50 when he finally settled down, but Mom ignored his pecadillos in order to keep the family together. That's the main thing, Keep . Family. Together. Cande's not buying it. All men may be alike, but not all women, mom! I'm not cut out to be a rug and trampled on, thank you very much!
And now it gets even worse. Alicia, under the pretext of apologizing, drops the bomb on Cande that actually she and Patricio spent the night together. That tears it. Cande busts her a good one in the face, throws the car keys at her (Patricio bought the car as well) and storms off. The camera pans the broken bride and groom figurines and the smashed wedding cake and it's the setup for another pair of mirroring scenes, Patricio hugging the now-very-wet wedding dress and brooding while Cande gazes out to sea elsewhere, reading Tio's letter and for the first time we hear the phrase "fuera dolor" (away with pain!) which will become a refrain in this novela.
Fortunately, Tio included some cash along with this advice so Cande can get out of town. While her parents commiserate back at the hotel (Dad's convinced she'll forgive and return) Cande checks in at a chapel and I must say I liked this scene. She raises her eyes to the cross and asks Jesus to NOT give her a sign if she should leave the past behind and head to Guadalajara. Sure enough, Jesus zips his lip, so she's says Your call. That's it. I'm going.
The Acapulco section of the story is wrapped up with a brief scene between Alicia and her parents where Pop reams her out for ruining Cande's life. I love you too Dad, she sneers, and off she goes. Lovely family. Still unrepentant, she takes her leave of Pato, justifying her actions by saying she fell in love with him first (Alicia was 17, Cande only 15) but he never paid attention to her. She'd do it again if she had the chance. And since he'll be working in San Diego and she's in Tiajuana, well hey, call me. Here's my number. Alicia does not get discouraged by rejection, evidently. She just lies in wait for the next opportunity.
I keep getting whiffs of Querida Enemiga in this one. Alicia's obsession reminds me of Sara, and now we have the introduction of rain as a big theme...but this time it symbolizes tears and griefs. Patricio does some howling in the rain and Cande pulls a major scene on the bus ride, demanding the driver stop the bus so she can throw away her cellphone (Patricio keeps trying to call her), then sinks to her knees in the pouring rain screeching and crying. Reluctantly comes back to the bus when the driver starts honking (and don't you hope he checked her for weapons when she got back on!) and off they go again, this time with Cande typing in her laptop her plans to leave the past behind and forge a new life tomorrow. And tomorrow she won't be stupid!
At this point, there are only two people remotely happy. Alicia, who had her one night with Pato and is "feliz, feliz, feliz" and the groom's alcoholic dad who's delighted that the marriage with the less-than-suitable bride has been destroyed.
Alright, we have the hotel, the haircut (symbolic of leaving the past behind), the Mary Tyler Moore courtyard twirl, arrival in the restaurant where Uncle works, a nod to the title (I thought you'd be on your honeymoon, "in el cielo"...."No, las tontas no van al cielo", yup yup yup...we're heavy into the theme now.) However the most painful part of this scene is when the restaurant mariachi musicians show up and the lead sings off-key. I do NOT understand why this keeps happening in these shows. We have another unfortunate off-key rendition later.
The surreal plot to pretend Cande is dead starts off here. I can't believe anyone remotely sane would do this to her parents, who have already lost one daughter. Even when I remind myself that Cande is only 18, it's unbelievable. But here's how it plays out. First Uncle tells the distraught mother when she calls that he hasn't seen Cande, she's probably in the States. But she realizes Patricio will never stop looking for her if she's in the States (so duh, clearly he loves her. Get a clue girl!) so Cande must convince everyone that she's dead.
Uncle thinks this idea is descabellado (crazy) and so do we, but she has it all thought out and he carries it through, including the macabre touch of bringing her "ashes" to her family and Patricio, which happen to be the remains of someone's little pet. Aaaarrrrggh. When the assembled have trouble believing someone so young could die of a heart attack, Tio drives the knife a little deeper, saying she died of a broken heart....and you killed her Patricio. She killed herself, he retorts, by not forgiving me, by abandoning me, by destroying everything. So there!
Patricio insists on scattering the ashes himself. We see lots of Ferro-rated ugly crying, (in the rain of course) while he scatters the ashes on the Acapulco coastline and manages to smear some of them on his face.
We have some more set-up scenes where Patricio tells his parents (at one of their gruesome family dinners together) that he's leaving the business, setting up his "negocio" exporting Mexican artisanry throughout the world. The other one involving Patricio has us expecting suicide. After he scatters her ashes, he goes sky-diving, twirling in the air like Cande twirled in the courtyard, swirling, swirling, swirling (When is he going to open up the chute!!???) and then whew, he does, landing back on earth with a thud, remembering the previous skydiving venture when he asked Cande to marry him and she enthusiastically agreed, wrapping her arms and legs around him like a pretzel. Sad sad sad.
They try and insert a little humor in all this drama. We have the two restaurant waiters asking Cande about Tio's whereabouts (is he off visiting a GIRLfriend?) and she kicks one of them in the shins and stomps on his foot (old soccer skills evidently).
Now we come to the Santiago part of the story. He's going through his own painful journey (which will eventually lead him to our sadder-but-wiser?-girl) Cute scenes of him caring for the baby, trolling through stores buying stuffed animals, changing a dirty diaper with a gas mask (a scene taken from an American comedy movie about the first Detroit recession). But Mom's too busy with her career to mind the baby. Can't hubby's secretary do it? She's not a nanny, he protests. Well, neither is mine, and off she goes. Santiago's got two surgeries scheduled, not a good idea for the baby to see him doing silicone implants, so he calls his mom, claiming that the infant's first words were I want to see my Abuelita now! (I'm sure she came right over, who wouldn't?)
Now we switch to Cande's trip to the hospital. Yes, she managed to get pregnant during her first tryst with Patricio before the wedding. But he'll never know about the baby (channeling Cuidado here) even though Uncle reminds her that he's been cut off from his own child and how much that hurts. If he's wise about relationships, he's discombulated when it comes to labor. He starts to leave for the hospital without Cande, remembers, drags her along, hovers nervously while she shrieks and pushes (again, no Lamaze in telenovelas) and ta dah! an unusually beautiful baby boy arrives, whom she'll name Salvador because he has saved her and given her life meaning
We spent a long time on the nasty aftemath of the botched wedding, a brief time on Cande's pregnancy and now we race through the next three or four years. Both Santiago and Cande's children appear to be about 5 years old. He's with his daughter waiting for mom to come home (evidently she's always working late) when he finds a note saying she's left for New York. I'm sorry. Don't hate me., she adds thoughtfully, you know you're better with her than I am. And that's that. (He DOES try and reach her by phone but only gets the answering machine.)
So....two attractive people, Cande and Santiago. Terribly disillusioned with the opposite sex, determined never to give their hearts up again. Will they find true love together? You betcha....but it's sure to take a looooong time and have lots and ups and downs to come. Are you ready for the ride?
Now we see Patricio zipping along in his sports car, at long last giving Alicia a call and asking her what she's doing for the weekend. They end up in Vegas, in bed, somewhat sloshed and she asks him if he ever thought about Cande while they were making love. He did. So did she. Because Cande achieved something she, Alicia,always wanted...becoming Señora de Molina. No sooner said than done. The next day , Alicia wearing sunglasses and a sleazy leapord-print dress (just in case we don't get that she's a skank) and Patricio are married by a corpulent Elvis impersonator.
So we start with a wedding and we end with one. Same groom, same family, different girl. That pretty well clears the path for our Cande and Santiago and in the previews the narrator intones that that each is about to meet his soul-mate (lit. sole of his shoe "horma de su zapato").
But don't hold your breath. You know it will take months and months to work this out!
Back to the wedding now, and how it all came apart:
There's a brief rehash where we see a love-besotted Cande and Pato gazing at the Acapulco beach and vowing to come back every year on their anniversary to celebrate. Then the fateful moment when Cande opens the door and finds her groom and her older sister locked in a passionate kiss. Alas, it doesn't look one-sided! Cande tears out of there while a frantic Pato follows, begging her forgiveness. In front of the stunned guests, she strips off the dress, veil and shoes (because Pato bought them all) and sets off down the beach, leaving us relieved that at least her lingerie was a gift of her girlfriends. Mother scurries after her shrieking You've shamed us all. Don't mess up your wedding because of that kiss. Nuthin' doin'. Cande continues her stomp down the beach,looking oddly dignified, hails a taxi (even though it's obvious she doesn't have any money on her) and the die is cast.
There's a dismal wrapup back at the hotel, giving us a further glimpse into the dynamics of her family. Alicia is clearly the black sheep...I KNOW what you're doing in Tiajuana, sneers her mother, but big sis' is unrepentant. Today I believe in God...in divine justice she replies. So we're getting hints that she considers Cande responsible for the death of HER dreams. And we see a memory moment of her finding Cande putting on her ballet slippers, Alicia grabbing them, falling down the stairs, breaking her leg in such a way that her dreams of being a professional ballerina are dashed forever.
Now the camera pans to a bereft Pato, clutching the wedding dress to his chest, with his mom fluttering at his side, begging him to talk to his father. She turns, sees Santiago (Jaime Camil) and re-flutters in his direction, apologizing for the shambles of a wedding and wondering what should she do. Santiago gently tells her to be with her son, that's all. Her son needs her at this moment.
Alas, what Patricio gets instead, is his bitter dad who grabs the dress, tosses it in the water and tells Pato he should never have even considered marrying the daughter of a lowly employee. Why did you marry mom? asks Pato. Were you in love? Are you happy? Is that why you drown yourself in alcohol?
She's a good woman from a wealthy family. But like I told you before, no woman is worth a man's life!
Okay, the lines are clearly drawn. If Pops is scheduled for a spiritual transformation, it's going to take a looooooong time.
A similar cynical conversation is taking place between Cande and her mom. (script writers seem to love these mirror scenes). We learn that Dad had a pretty light leg, up till age 50 when he finally settled down, but Mom ignored his pecadillos in order to keep the family together. That's the main thing, Keep . Family. Together. Cande's not buying it. All men may be alike, but not all women, mom! I'm not cut out to be a rug and trampled on, thank you very much!
And now it gets even worse. Alicia, under the pretext of apologizing, drops the bomb on Cande that actually she and Patricio spent the night together. That tears it. Cande busts her a good one in the face, throws the car keys at her (Patricio bought the car as well) and storms off. The camera pans the broken bride and groom figurines and the smashed wedding cake and it's the setup for another pair of mirroring scenes, Patricio hugging the now-very-wet wedding dress and brooding while Cande gazes out to sea elsewhere, reading Tio's letter and for the first time we hear the phrase "fuera dolor" (away with pain!) which will become a refrain in this novela.
Fortunately, Tio included some cash along with this advice so Cande can get out of town. While her parents commiserate back at the hotel (Dad's convinced she'll forgive and return) Cande checks in at a chapel and I must say I liked this scene. She raises her eyes to the cross and asks Jesus to NOT give her a sign if she should leave the past behind and head to Guadalajara. Sure enough, Jesus zips his lip, so she's says Your call. That's it. I'm going.
The Acapulco section of the story is wrapped up with a brief scene between Alicia and her parents where Pop reams her out for ruining Cande's life. I love you too Dad, she sneers, and off she goes. Lovely family. Still unrepentant, she takes her leave of Pato, justifying her actions by saying she fell in love with him first (Alicia was 17, Cande only 15) but he never paid attention to her. She'd do it again if she had the chance. And since he'll be working in San Diego and she's in Tiajuana, well hey, call me. Here's my number. Alicia does not get discouraged by rejection, evidently. She just lies in wait for the next opportunity.
I keep getting whiffs of Querida Enemiga in this one. Alicia's obsession reminds me of Sara, and now we have the introduction of rain as a big theme...but this time it symbolizes tears and griefs. Patricio does some howling in the rain and Cande pulls a major scene on the bus ride, demanding the driver stop the bus so she can throw away her cellphone (Patricio keeps trying to call her), then sinks to her knees in the pouring rain screeching and crying. Reluctantly comes back to the bus when the driver starts honking (and don't you hope he checked her for weapons when she got back on!) and off they go again, this time with Cande typing in her laptop her plans to leave the past behind and forge a new life tomorrow. And tomorrow she won't be stupid!
At this point, there are only two people remotely happy. Alicia, who had her one night with Pato and is "feliz, feliz, feliz" and the groom's alcoholic dad who's delighted that the marriage with the less-than-suitable bride has been destroyed.
Alright, we have the hotel, the haircut (symbolic of leaving the past behind), the Mary Tyler Moore courtyard twirl, arrival in the restaurant where Uncle works, a nod to the title (I thought you'd be on your honeymoon, "in el cielo"...."No, las tontas no van al cielo", yup yup yup...we're heavy into the theme now.) However the most painful part of this scene is when the restaurant mariachi musicians show up and the lead sings off-key. I do NOT understand why this keeps happening in these shows. We have another unfortunate off-key rendition later.
The surreal plot to pretend Cande is dead starts off here. I can't believe anyone remotely sane would do this to her parents, who have already lost one daughter. Even when I remind myself that Cande is only 18, it's unbelievable. But here's how it plays out. First Uncle tells the distraught mother when she calls that he hasn't seen Cande, she's probably in the States. But she realizes Patricio will never stop looking for her if she's in the States (so duh, clearly he loves her. Get a clue girl!) so Cande must convince everyone that she's dead.
Uncle thinks this idea is descabellado (crazy) and so do we, but she has it all thought out and he carries it through, including the macabre touch of bringing her "ashes" to her family and Patricio, which happen to be the remains of someone's little pet. Aaaarrrrggh. When the assembled have trouble believing someone so young could die of a heart attack, Tio drives the knife a little deeper, saying she died of a broken heart....and you killed her Patricio. She killed herself, he retorts, by not forgiving me, by abandoning me, by destroying everything. So there!
Patricio insists on scattering the ashes himself. We see lots of Ferro-rated ugly crying, (in the rain of course) while he scatters the ashes on the Acapulco coastline and manages to smear some of them on his face.
We have some more set-up scenes where Patricio tells his parents (at one of their gruesome family dinners together) that he's leaving the business, setting up his "negocio" exporting Mexican artisanry throughout the world. The other one involving Patricio has us expecting suicide. After he scatters her ashes, he goes sky-diving, twirling in the air like Cande twirled in the courtyard, swirling, swirling, swirling (When is he going to open up the chute!!???) and then whew, he does, landing back on earth with a thud, remembering the previous skydiving venture when he asked Cande to marry him and she enthusiastically agreed, wrapping her arms and legs around him like a pretzel. Sad sad sad.
They try and insert a little humor in all this drama. We have the two restaurant waiters asking Cande about Tio's whereabouts (is he off visiting a GIRLfriend?) and she kicks one of them in the shins and stomps on his foot (old soccer skills evidently).
Now we come to the Santiago part of the story. He's going through his own painful journey (which will eventually lead him to our sadder-but-wiser?-girl) Cute scenes of him caring for the baby, trolling through stores buying stuffed animals, changing a dirty diaper with a gas mask (a scene taken from an American comedy movie about the first Detroit recession). But Mom's too busy with her career to mind the baby. Can't hubby's secretary do it? She's not a nanny, he protests. Well, neither is mine, and off she goes. Santiago's got two surgeries scheduled, not a good idea for the baby to see him doing silicone implants, so he calls his mom, claiming that the infant's first words were I want to see my Abuelita now! (I'm sure she came right over, who wouldn't?)
Now we switch to Cande's trip to the hospital. Yes, she managed to get pregnant during her first tryst with Patricio before the wedding. But he'll never know about the baby (channeling Cuidado here) even though Uncle reminds her that he's been cut off from his own child and how much that hurts. If he's wise about relationships, he's discombulated when it comes to labor. He starts to leave for the hospital without Cande, remembers, drags her along, hovers nervously while she shrieks and pushes (again, no Lamaze in telenovelas) and ta dah! an unusually beautiful baby boy arrives, whom she'll name Salvador because he has saved her and given her life meaning
We spent a long time on the nasty aftemath of the botched wedding, a brief time on Cande's pregnancy and now we race through the next three or four years. Both Santiago and Cande's children appear to be about 5 years old. He's with his daughter waiting for mom to come home (evidently she's always working late) when he finds a note saying she's left for New York. I'm sorry. Don't hate me., she adds thoughtfully, you know you're better with her than I am. And that's that. (He DOES try and reach her by phone but only gets the answering machine.)
So....two attractive people, Cande and Santiago. Terribly disillusioned with the opposite sex, determined never to give their hearts up again. Will they find true love together? You betcha....but it's sure to take a looooong time and have lots and ups and downs to come. Are you ready for the ride?
Now we see Patricio zipping along in his sports car, at long last giving Alicia a call and asking her what she's doing for the weekend. They end up in Vegas, in bed, somewhat sloshed and she asks him if he ever thought about Cande while they were making love. He did. So did she. Because Cande achieved something she, Alicia,always wanted...becoming Señora de Molina. No sooner said than done. The next day , Alicia wearing sunglasses and a sleazy leapord-print dress (just in case we don't get that she's a skank) and Patricio are married by a corpulent Elvis impersonator.
So we start with a wedding and we end with one. Same groom, same family, different girl. That pretty well clears the path for our Cande and Santiago and in the previews the narrator intones that that each is about to meet his soul-mate (lit. sole of his shoe "horma de su zapato").
But don't hold your breath. You know it will take months and months to work this out!
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PS. Interested in hearing what you all think about the music in this one. LOTS of songs with lyrics, rather than just orchestral themes. I found it interesting but also a little distracting. And the Mariachi off-key was totally painful.
Great recap, Judy.
OMG, I noticed that off-key singing immediately too! Ouch. So far, I don't think the music is as compelling in this show as in others. Fea had great themes for each character, which I can still hum.
However, I think this story is quite compelling so far.
This is the first time I've been watching two shows in a while, and it's going to take up a lot of time!
OMG, I noticed that off-key singing immediately too! Ouch. So far, I don't think the music is as compelling in this show as in others. Fea had great themes for each character, which I can still hum.
However, I think this story is quite compelling so far.
This is the first time I've been watching two shows in a while, and it's going to take up a lot of time!
Loved your MTM reference--one of my all time favorite shows. I think this show will be more like that than a usual novela, which may explain why it was not so popular in Mexico.
P.S. Two waiters--one was Tomas Mora.
As for Uncle's baby, I was baffled by that--isn't he the gay uncle? Was he married to a woman and then left?
As for Uncle's baby, I was baffled by that--isn't he the gay uncle? Was he married to a woman and then left?
Yeah, is Televisa too cheap to hire a mariachi who can sing in tune? In my local restaurants the mariachis are way better than this!
Melinama, do you like this show so far? As I recall, you haven't liked any of the shows in a while, so I hope you have found one you can get caught up in.
Hi, yes, I do like it (though I've only seen these two episodes on YouTube which is not great), it doesn't seem too heavy, I love the adorable plastic surgeon who isn't too busy to do diapers (only in Mexidoon), and there will hopefully be no murder. I liked Fuego for a while but it's been mired in pointless extensions for so long it's just about unendurable.
Yes, Nina, he's the gay uncle. But many gay men marry and father children (all it takes is a good fantasy life, after all) and especially in a society where homosexuality is condemned, a marriage is sometimes the safest way to protect oneself. (Darned hard on the unsuspecting spouse though)
One of my staunch Baptist friend's gay brothers fathered three sons before coming out of the closet. It happens.
One of my staunch Baptist friend's gay brothers fathered three sons before coming out of the closet. It happens.
Yes, quite obvious that Rosy Ocampo is at the helm of this novela,just as she did with LFMB.She's passes thru the history of the characters faster than Sherman thru Altanta..Wow, such a whirlwood in two days....
As noted in the wonderful recap,a pretense of the death of a child to the parents is so cruel,even in novelaland...
As noted in the wonderful recap,a pretense of the death of a child to the parents is so cruel,even in novelaland...
Ah yes, diaper-changing. Actually I've known some busy docs who change diapers but my husband, the professor, changed nary a one....three kids no less.
Yes! Export Red...that's a real sticking point for me. Cande must have seen the raw grief of her parents at losing Veronica. Must have felt it herself.
And now, having a child and realizing her own deep love for her son, how could she continue this cruel charade?
Oh well....turn off brain. Go with flow. Telenovela rules.
And now, having a child and realizing her own deep love for her son, how could she continue this cruel charade?
Oh well....turn off brain. Go with flow. Telenovela rules.
Thanks, Judy. I know about gay men who marry and then leave--but I missed where it was explained in this show. When did that happen?
Yes, faking a death is a cruel trick we will just have to swallow. It's better than amnesia.
Yes, faking a death is a cruel trick we will just have to swallow. It's better than amnesia.
It wasn't explained (Rosy is running the early shows at a rip-roaring pace and if you miss a minute you're lost!)
We know he's gay. And then he tells Cande she's wrong to keep a son from his father. After all, she knows how hurt Tio is at having his own child kept from him.
So we infer the rest. Maybe more background will be given later, maybe not. But Tio's entire family has rejected him, except for Cande (who's good to Tio but pretty darned hard on everybody else!)
We know he's gay. And then he tells Cande she's wrong to keep a son from his father. After all, she knows how hurt Tio is at having his own child kept from him.
So we infer the rest. Maybe more background will be given later, maybe not. But Tio's entire family has rejected him, except for Cande (who's good to Tio but pretty darned hard on everybody else!)
Okay. I inferred all that, but it seemed so telegraphed I wondered if I missed something. The writers are giving the audience a lot of credit for absorbing subtle plot points.
JudyB, you were destined to recap this episode! Your MTM reference was so clever - you are so adroit at perfectly capturing symbolism and similarities. Who can turn the world on with her smile? Who can suddenly make a nothing day...Oops, I digress...
Honestly, I haven't liked any of the music. I'm surprised considering the beautiful theme songs DA, Pasion and Fuego had. Granted, Sarah Brightman and Vincente Fernandez are tough acts to follow. However, even Guapos and Angel had fairly good scores.
The fake suicide seemed cruel, I agree. Also, I thought the Alicia/Patricio marriage seemed strange (marrying the "dead" sister's boyfriend/husband a la Pasion). Gee, my wife (who I loved more than anyone) killed herself because I slept with her sister so I'll forget all that and go ahead and marry her. :)
Diana in MA
Honestly, I haven't liked any of the music. I'm surprised considering the beautiful theme songs DA, Pasion and Fuego had. Granted, Sarah Brightman and Vincente Fernandez are tough acts to follow. However, even Guapos and Angel had fairly good scores.
The fake suicide seemed cruel, I agree. Also, I thought the Alicia/Patricio marriage seemed strange (marrying the "dead" sister's boyfriend/husband a la Pasion). Gee, my wife (who I loved more than anyone) killed herself because I slept with her sister so I'll forget all that and go ahead and marry her. :)
Diana in MA
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: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 9:12:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 9:12:00 AM EST
Thanks for the great recap, JudyB. I agree with all that pretending to be dead is really cruel to Cande's parents. They aren't role models, but they don't deserve that pain. According to the synopsis Cande will be helping others to change their lives. Let's hope she doesn't teach others the same selfish disregard of others in order to "improve" themselves! But I guess I have to lighten up a little and go with the flow, because so far I'm really liking this. It is probably all the flawed characters and conflicting feelings about them that make these telenovelas so absorbing.
As for the music, I like some of it, some not so much. But I like having the chance to check out songs I haven't heard before.
As for the music, I like some of it, some not so much. But I like having the chance to check out songs I haven't heard before.
You're right, Diana, that Vegas coupling and tawdry wedding were as bad as the original romp in the hay. So far both Patricio and Cande are pretty unsavory. Gonna have to be a whole lotta growing up and redemption for these two to shine and for us to root for any kind of lasting happiness for them (with whoever). Santiago is still looking golden though. Who can resist a smokin' hot loving father?
Yes, Rhonda...on the music.... while I wasn't wild about it, at least the names of the songs and the performers were listed (briefly so you didn't dare look down for a minute OR go to the bathroom).
I know teenagers run away and often leave their parents in doubt as to whether they are alive or dead...but this is from abusive households (nor annoyingly dysfunctional)...and Cande took it a step further by furnishing fake proof or her death. Plus the accusation of Tio to Patricio seemed over the top. But hey, we're in for a dramatic ride...why quibble?
I know teenagers run away and often leave their parents in doubt as to whether they are alive or dead...but this is from abusive households (nor annoyingly dysfunctional)...and Cande took it a step further by furnishing fake proof or her death. Plus the accusation of Tio to Patricio seemed over the top. But hey, we're in for a dramatic ride...why quibble?
I remember that scene Nina, although frankly I thought it was full of a lot of New Age bromides (sorry New Agers)...Still, you're right, she got Luciana on the straight and narrow. Score a few Redemption Points for Cande.
Why is it that so many of the mariachi singers are slightly off-key sharp instead of flat? It's something I've noticed time and time again on these shows. Is it on purpose? Where is Pablo Montero when we need him?
Awesome recap JudyB! I agree with whoever said you are adept at recognizing all the symbolism. Nice job!
I have a real problem with a "heroine" who fakes her own death and puts her family through such hell. But as you say, it's best to put the blinders on and enjoy the ride. Candi is a huge over-the-top drama queen as played by Bracamontes. I was totally cracking up at the scene where she got off the bus to have her little meltdown.
However so far I am really enjoying these episodes. I loved the Vegas wedding and "corpulent" Elvis, nice touch there. In general I have no complaints with the music and I think the theme song is pretty catchy. I liked it when Bunny Alicia tricked Pato into bed to the tune of Mana's "Mariposa Traicionera".
Again, excellent recap JudyB. I'm so glad you could fit it into your busy schedule!
Awesome recap JudyB! I agree with whoever said you are adept at recognizing all the symbolism. Nice job!
I have a real problem with a "heroine" who fakes her own death and puts her family through such hell. But as you say, it's best to put the blinders on and enjoy the ride. Candi is a huge over-the-top drama queen as played by Bracamontes. I was totally cracking up at the scene where she got off the bus to have her little meltdown.
However so far I am really enjoying these episodes. I loved the Vegas wedding and "corpulent" Elvis, nice touch there. In general I have no complaints with the music and I think the theme song is pretty catchy. I liked it when Bunny Alicia tricked Pato into bed to the tune of Mana's "Mariposa Traicionera".
Again, excellent recap JudyB. I'm so glad you could fit it into your busy schedule!
Judy, Thanks so much for the excellent recap. You had quite a joy ride with this episode. Just think, two weddings and a baby and a 5 year span in two episodes instead of waiting to the end to get altars and delivery room scenes. Wheww!! More has happened in these two nights than the nine months or so of Fuego. I like this action but I am sure it will slow now to give us time to catch up. I like you MaryTM analogy too.
I like some of the music that is recent hits on the latino stations I listen to, but I am so relieved that everyone noticed the off key mariachi song. I knew Melinama would catch it but I thought something might be wrong with my hearing for a minute. That was just wrong to make us suffer through that. Actually my experience is that you can get a fine voice singing to you by the wandering mariachis in almost any town in Mexico for only a few dollars and they are on key. It wouldn't have been hard to find them. I don't get it either.
I hated the first episode with the QE style betrayals starting right out of the gate but this episode was absurd yet very funny and engaging. The Elvis preacher was just the right amount of sleaze for Pato and SisterUgly. Now I hope I get to sit back and enjoy more screen time with Jamie whom I don't know since I didn't start watching telenovelas until LFMB until near its end.
I like some of the music that is recent hits on the latino stations I listen to, but I am so relieved that everyone noticed the off key mariachi song. I knew Melinama would catch it but I thought something might be wrong with my hearing for a minute. That was just wrong to make us suffer through that. Actually my experience is that you can get a fine voice singing to you by the wandering mariachis in almost any town in Mexico for only a few dollars and they are on key. It wouldn't have been hard to find them. I don't get it either.
I hated the first episode with the QE style betrayals starting right out of the gate but this episode was absurd yet very funny and engaging. The Elvis preacher was just the right amount of sleaze for Pato and SisterUgly. Now I hope I get to sit back and enjoy more screen time with Jamie whom I don't know since I didn't start watching telenovelas until LFMB until near its end.
You are an excellent recapper! Though I don't watch this show, I must say that I love your style and how you start with a clincher, then leave the readers wanting to know more! Keep up the good work!
So far, Patricio seems a little immature (of course, so is Candi with her plan, but never mind that). I first saw the actor who plays Patricio in Alborada, and he was similar, didn't get the girl, a little whiny, not exactly one you'd root for. I didn't watch Amar Sin Limites, so I don't know if his character was similar in that, or not.
Compared to him, Santiago seems like a prince.
I sort of liked the songs, since I recognized several of them, but I do hope they have some sort of romantic theme at some point
Compared to him, Santiago seems like a prince.
I sort of liked the songs, since I recognized several of them, but I do hope they have some sort of romantic theme at some point
Well it looks like we have another phone abuser on our hands with Cande. Cell phones must be cheaper in Mexico than they are here. Two episodes and already Two weddings and a funeral {well sort of}as well as two births. Now if only some of this pacing could spill over into Fuego en la Sangre. Carlos
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 12:09:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 12:09:00 PM EST
Thanks Judy, there were a couple of things you cleared up for me. I like the theme song, very catchy. I didn't realize she was only 18. Did they say that on the show? Maybe I was grabbing a snack. There is absolutely no man on earth who can make me melt just with a single tear like Jaime Camil and I'm no pushover.
For all of you who are upset with the fake death, maybe through her experience, she knows that her parents, especially that mother of hers, would constantly be hounding her about the marriage and would never let her lead her life. The mother seemed more concerned about what position this would place the family in. Drastic, yes, but sometimes you have to remove yourself from people who might not have your best interests at heart. I'm sure one day she will reconcile with them. And Jaime, if you're reading this, mama missed you like crazy. Welcome back.
For all of you who are upset with the fake death, maybe through her experience, she knows that her parents, especially that mother of hers, would constantly be hounding her about the marriage and would never let her lead her life. The mother seemed more concerned about what position this would place the family in. Drastic, yes, but sometimes you have to remove yourself from people who might not have your best interests at heart. I'm sure one day she will reconcile with them. And Jaime, if you're reading this, mama missed you like crazy. Welcome back.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 12:11:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 12:11:00 PM EST
Whew...son just finished paper, printed it; we turned the house upside down looking for a stapler, and punto...he's off to the university.
Thanks for stopping by Nickster and Cheryl And Nickster, with your schedule I don't know how you even recap Fuego one night a week. Of course you're not watching these other silly shows! But I appreciate the visit. I haven't watched much more than the promos on Fuego for some time, but you guys keep assuring me I haven't missed much. Bad karma for someone?...nah, just a bad show.
Sylvia, you're cracking me up...I think YOU were the one who said I was good at symbolism. But thanks, anyway.
And thanks for bringing up Mana's Mariposa Traicionera (I have it on a Now That's Music CD) but left that note out of the recap.
And yes, Carlos, this trashing of phones is getting old. But is Cande, Candi? our first female abuser? Before this, I thought Sergio Sendel held the World Title.
Didn't really watch much of Amor Sin Limites (a REALLY creepy plot) but Valentino Lanus always seems to play these nebbishy types and he doesn't do much for me. But clearly Big Sis' finds him irresistable.
Anonymous...your defense of the death fraud is interesting. I agree one sometimes has to remove oneself from interfering parents...and indeed Candi's mother has been portrayed as overly concerned about the "what will they say" bit....but still...it seems extreme, narcissistic and just plain wrong.
But I'm glad you're arguing the other point of view...no fun if we all agree on every element of the plot.
Can't remember if Candi's age was mentioned in the show or in the synopsis of the show on the internet. Of course Bracamontes looks a lot older (and is) and bad big sister, only 21 if Candi is 18, looks waaaaaay older...and bad, bad, bad. She could play a sexy 40-year-old very well.
Thanks for stopping by Nickster and Cheryl And Nickster, with your schedule I don't know how you even recap Fuego one night a week. Of course you're not watching these other silly shows! But I appreciate the visit. I haven't watched much more than the promos on Fuego for some time, but you guys keep assuring me I haven't missed much. Bad karma for someone?...nah, just a bad show.
Sylvia, you're cracking me up...I think YOU were the one who said I was good at symbolism. But thanks, anyway.
And thanks for bringing up Mana's Mariposa Traicionera (I have it on a Now That's Music CD) but left that note out of the recap.
And yes, Carlos, this trashing of phones is getting old. But is Cande, Candi? our first female abuser? Before this, I thought Sergio Sendel held the World Title.
Didn't really watch much of Amor Sin Limites (a REALLY creepy plot) but Valentino Lanus always seems to play these nebbishy types and he doesn't do much for me. But clearly Big Sis' finds him irresistable.
Anonymous...your defense of the death fraud is interesting. I agree one sometimes has to remove oneself from interfering parents...and indeed Candi's mother has been portrayed as overly concerned about the "what will they say" bit....but still...it seems extreme, narcissistic and just plain wrong.
But I'm glad you're arguing the other point of view...no fun if we all agree on every element of the plot.
Can't remember if Candi's age was mentioned in the show or in the synopsis of the show on the internet. Of course Bracamontes looks a lot older (and is) and bad big sister, only 21 if Candi is 18, looks waaaaaay older...and bad, bad, bad. She could play a sexy 40-year-old very well.
Loved the recap, thanks for the MTM reference. I guess I was slow last night, I didn't pick up on it, but once you mentioned it I was so there! Good job!!
Oh, and Hombre de Misterio...I thought of you when the mariachi band started and sounded soooo bad. I figured you were writhing if you were watching (and not in a fun way).
Hi Kim P. We're always excited when new names (to us) pop up on the blog line. I hesitated at first about the Mary Tyler Moore reference because I wasn't sure if others had watched the show like I did (I'm the oldest recapper). Glad it struck a chord.
Whoops, Sylvia...I see in rereading that Diana did mention symbolism...but you brought it up before when I was blathering on about the meaning of "hands" in Querida Enemiga. Oh well, thanks to you both for the kind words...and gracias to everyone else as well. I told someone recently that this blog line was so supportive it was like therapy!
(Thanks for keeping me sane and off the streets).
(Thanks for keeping me sane and off the streets).
JudyB, excellent recap. What. A. Whirlwind!
I thought the same thing when Candi got in the taxi--how is she going to pay for that? Maybe the driver thought the spectacle was payment enough. Although, she was at a beach resort, so if she had just taken off the garter and stockings she could probably have passed off the lingerie as swimwear.
I can't imagine being cruel enough to make my parents think I was dead, but Candi is 18 and a drama queen. After they blew off her concerns about her unfaithful husband, she probably just decided they didn't care about her at all so it didn't matter.
I thought the same thing when Candi got in the taxi--how is she going to pay for that? Maybe the driver thought the spectacle was payment enough. Although, she was at a beach resort, so if she had just taken off the garter and stockings she could probably have passed off the lingerie as swimwear.
I can't imagine being cruel enough to make my parents think I was dead, but Candi is 18 and a drama queen. After they blew off her concerns about her unfaithful husband, she probably just decided they didn't care about her at all so it didn't matter.
Marcia in LFMB was a telephone abuser. I don't remember if she was ever mean to a cell phone, but she was very unkind to regular phones.
Howdy =)
Stellar beginning JudyB! I must confess, I had no idea who MTM was until someone spelled it out, then went Duh! I too like the symbolism. I was right there with you when she hailed a cab without carrying her purse, and wondered how the heck she got into her hotel room without the key (maybe she told the housekeeping people she locked herself out and they believed her 'cause why else would she be running around in her underwear).
On Candi's age, we get a reference to the fact that she just finished high school, and that they've been dating for three years (and her sister mentioned she and Pato had been dating since she was 15), so 18 is implied. They obviously all looked older than that, but the synopsis said we would be forwarded to seven years after that for the rest of the TN, so it's not quite as much of a stretch to have Candi be 25 and Alicia and Pato to be 27 or 28 (ok, maybe a little bit of a stretch, but not as extreme).
Interesting bit, Candi actually called herself "estúpida" (stupid) instead of "tonta" (dumb, foolish). Even though she says it and in the synopsis we hear it's the title of her column, they choose not to put it in the title. Growing up, saying estúpida (or estúpido for the masculine) was tantamount to swearing, like calling someone the "F" word (though not quite as extreme), so I'm guessing they changed it in the title to make it less extreme.
Thanks Paula for telling us where "America" are based out of. I've always wondered.
We actually learned another word on Monday I forgot to point out: "tapatía" (or tapatío for the masculine). This refers to people or things from the state of Jalisco, such as the "Jarabe Tapatío" (which people insist on calling the Mexican hat dance! Sorry, that one bugs me and I'm not even from Jalisco). Candi is a tapatía and both her galanes are chilangos (from the DF). Oh, and Pato referred to the Chivas as "piojosas" (lice ridden), which I thought was odd since animals wouldn't have piojos (lice), they would have ticks (garrapatas) or fleas (pulgas). If he'd been referring to the players, he would have said piojosos 'cause that's the masculine, but I'm digressing from my point. He also poked some gentle fun at her being a provinciana (not from the DF). Much as he claimed to love her and married her against his parent's wishes, it's clear in a small, passive aggressive way, he probably thought he was a little better than her.
From tonight's previews, we see that Santiago goes to Mengo's restaurant, so we'll see if he remembers Candi and the truth about what truly happened to her is revealed, or if they both conveniently forget about one another (although how he could forget a woman who ran out of her own wedding in her underwear is beyond me, oh wait, it's probably not her face he was looking at!).
Stellar beginning JudyB! I must confess, I had no idea who MTM was until someone spelled it out, then went Duh! I too like the symbolism. I was right there with you when she hailed a cab without carrying her purse, and wondered how the heck she got into her hotel room without the key (maybe she told the housekeeping people she locked herself out and they believed her 'cause why else would she be running around in her underwear).
On Candi's age, we get a reference to the fact that she just finished high school, and that they've been dating for three years (and her sister mentioned she and Pato had been dating since she was 15), so 18 is implied. They obviously all looked older than that, but the synopsis said we would be forwarded to seven years after that for the rest of the TN, so it's not quite as much of a stretch to have Candi be 25 and Alicia and Pato to be 27 or 28 (ok, maybe a little bit of a stretch, but not as extreme).
Interesting bit, Candi actually called herself "estúpida" (stupid) instead of "tonta" (dumb, foolish). Even though she says it and in the synopsis we hear it's the title of her column, they choose not to put it in the title. Growing up, saying estúpida (or estúpido for the masculine) was tantamount to swearing, like calling someone the "F" word (though not quite as extreme), so I'm guessing they changed it in the title to make it less extreme.
Thanks Paula for telling us where "America" are based out of. I've always wondered.
We actually learned another word on Monday I forgot to point out: "tapatía" (or tapatío for the masculine). This refers to people or things from the state of Jalisco, such as the "Jarabe Tapatío" (which people insist on calling the Mexican hat dance! Sorry, that one bugs me and I'm not even from Jalisco). Candi is a tapatía and both her galanes are chilangos (from the DF). Oh, and Pato referred to the Chivas as "piojosas" (lice ridden), which I thought was odd since animals wouldn't have piojos (lice), they would have ticks (garrapatas) or fleas (pulgas). If he'd been referring to the players, he would have said piojosos 'cause that's the masculine, but I'm digressing from my point. He also poked some gentle fun at her being a provinciana (not from the DF). Much as he claimed to love her and married her against his parent's wishes, it's clear in a small, passive aggressive way, he probably thought he was a little better than her.
From tonight's previews, we see that Santiago goes to Mengo's restaurant, so we'll see if he remembers Candi and the truth about what truly happened to her is revealed, or if they both conveniently forget about one another (although how he could forget a woman who ran out of her own wedding in her underwear is beyond me, oh wait, it's probably not her face he was looking at!).
Well, I don't like any of the actors, the storyline is weird, but I love the recappers , so i guess I'll try to hang in for a while. About Mariachis...at Epcot, the Mariachi band was excellent. I dragged hub back for every show .[I also dragged him to 2 or 3 shows by Nelson due to my still warm crush on Ricky]. I think the mariachis thought I was stalking them. Great reference to MTM...loved her...Cande...not so much.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 1:19:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 1:19:00 PM EST
Hi Julie...fasten your seat belt, you're on tap tonight! Yes, the parent cruelty sticks in my craw...I mean how bad can they be?
And Margarita, thanks for all the extra cultural and vocabulary info. We have a restaurant here called Tapatio, so that word jumped out at me, but then I let it go. (My mind is getting more like a breezeway every day).
Yes, he teased her about being "provincial" and I think he enjoyed his lofty sophistication as compared to her innocent background. But he's way out of his league with our experienced Big Sistah.
I think I remember something about "estupido" being really harsh. Guess one can say it about oneself (our inner Nazi) but should soften it to "tonto" for other people.
And Margarita, thanks for all the extra cultural and vocabulary info. We have a restaurant here called Tapatio, so that word jumped out at me, but then I let it go. (My mind is getting more like a breezeway every day).
Yes, he teased her about being "provincial" and I think he enjoyed his lofty sophistication as compared to her innocent background. But he's way out of his league with our experienced Big Sistah.
I think I remember something about "estupido" being really harsh. Guess one can say it about oneself (our inner Nazi) but should soften it to "tonto" for other people.
Oh yes, Susanlynn...we're counting on you hanging out with us. Your comments are like mini-recaps in themselves. Always funny.
Stalking Mariachis?...they should be so lucky!
Stalking Mariachis?...they should be so lucky!
Oh, I forgot to add about off-key mariachis. Yes, most professional mariachis sing well, but once in a while you will get one that's a little sharp (though I've never heard any that were flat). The same applies to instruments. A few months ago I was listening to a CD that my dad gave me of huapango music (mostly from my native Tamaulipas, but now they have them everywhere) and hubby, who played a little violin once upon a time cringed and said "Dah! they're all sharp!" Having said that, I think the mariachis in this one are off-key on purpose, as some sort of indication of Mengo's business style perhaps.
Incidentally, in honor of Mengo's restaurant, I'm keeping my moniker ;)
Incidentally, in honor of Mengo's restaurant, I'm keeping my moniker ;)
Si si...Margarita Chilaquiles has a certain ring to it. And having tried a chilaquiles recipe with eggs and cheese, I'm definitely a fan.
Judy, never be afraid cite old TV shows. Even obscure or long-forgotten ones. MTM is far from obscure. Julie's Emma Peel reference that left me in stitches was, but that makes it all the more fun to decipher.
Fake death. It's one thing for a foolish, bitter 18yo to do that. But her mature, wise, responsible, compassionate uncle does it to his own brother? Creen que naci' ayer? Do they think I was born yesterday?
Ages. Once the show catches up to the present, the kids are about seven. So if Candy got pregnant at 18, mother at almost 19, she'd be 26 now, and evil sister 28. A little more plausible. Not much.
Plot speed: I think we saw more progress during a Tontas commercial break than in 9 months of Fuego! I think they were in a hurry to summarize the pre-story.
Songs. One of the songs is "Sera" sung by Ricardo Montaner. I believe he sang that in the bar of the first kiss, on LFMB. I really like the Kany Garcia music: Esta soledad, Hoy ya me voy, and Que nos paso'. So rare to find a latina singer who doesn't do bubble gum, so I bought the CD.
Pat and Ali. I think he's so desparate, that he's not marrying Alicia; he's marrying the ghost of Candy, just like in Pasion. And he's going to end up with a wife who is just as sweet and charming. The fact that he thought of Candy in bed - Pat, I hope your buxom lass likes to make out in the dark.
Don't you hate when you think of a good line a day late? Another Fea shout-out. When Candy met Santiago at her wedding, I imagined him saying, "Didn't I meet you once at a cocktail party?"
We're all fishing around for a name spelling, Cande, Candi and Candy. I checked esmas. They call her Candy.
Judy, good job. I love your wordcrafting.
Fake death. It's one thing for a foolish, bitter 18yo to do that. But her mature, wise, responsible, compassionate uncle does it to his own brother? Creen que naci' ayer? Do they think I was born yesterday?
Ages. Once the show catches up to the present, the kids are about seven. So if Candy got pregnant at 18, mother at almost 19, she'd be 26 now, and evil sister 28. A little more plausible. Not much.
Plot speed: I think we saw more progress during a Tontas commercial break than in 9 months of Fuego! I think they were in a hurry to summarize the pre-story.
Songs. One of the songs is "Sera" sung by Ricardo Montaner. I believe he sang that in the bar of the first kiss, on LFMB. I really like the Kany Garcia music: Esta soledad, Hoy ya me voy, and Que nos paso'. So rare to find a latina singer who doesn't do bubble gum, so I bought the CD.
Pat and Ali. I think he's so desparate, that he's not marrying Alicia; he's marrying the ghost of Candy, just like in Pasion. And he's going to end up with a wife who is just as sweet and charming. The fact that he thought of Candy in bed - Pat, I hope your buxom lass likes to make out in the dark.
Don't you hate when you think of a good line a day late? Another Fea shout-out. When Candy met Santiago at her wedding, I imagined him saying, "Didn't I meet you once at a cocktail party?"
We're all fishing around for a name spelling, Cande, Candi and Candy. I checked esmas. They call her Candy.
Judy, good job. I love your wordcrafting.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 1:33:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 1:33:00 PM EST
Hey Margarita, I REALLY like your culture lessons!
Re "tonto", I swear when I first learned what that meant, I got royally p.o.'ed after growing up thinking what a great guy the Lone Ranger's faithful Indian companion was. Seriously, Jay Silverheels was one of the great role models for guys my age back in the day.
JudyB, you remain well on your game! Great recap.
Re "tonto", I swear when I first learned what that meant, I got royally p.o.'ed after growing up thinking what a great guy the Lone Ranger's faithful Indian companion was. Seriously, Jay Silverheels was one of the great role models for guys my age back in the day.
JudyB, you remain well on your game! Great recap.
I forgot to say how much I enjoyed the MTM reference! I used to love that show even though Mary was a complete priss-butt. What a world-class ensemble cast it had and MTM was simply marvelous.
Ay yi yi..."priss-butt"!!!! I'm gonna tell Cindybin on you. My favorite show was after Mary moved to the new apartment (so sad, the old house apt. was much better) but she was dating some gorgeous guy and her crusty old editor said, "Mary, he's prettier than you are!". Right then I vowed to fully appreciate my average looking dates.
Mike, you're right...I remember being bothered by that nickname also, once I learned Spanish. Maybe it means something else in some Indian language. Here's hoping!
And thanks Paula...especially for those thoughts about the uncle and about Pato's motivations.
Maybe the Uncle went along with it because 1) his brother had harshly rejected him for his "gayness" and 2) Candy is the only one in the family who loves him and he doesn't want to lose her affection by foiling her plan
As for Pato's motivation...maybe he's just a hound. I mean Big Sister (I'm blocking out her name for some reason) is NOTHING like Candi (trying to use all the spellings here).
And especially gracias for the "word crafting". Not sure that's what I do, but I never turn down a compliment.
Mike, you're right...I remember being bothered by that nickname also, once I learned Spanish. Maybe it means something else in some Indian language. Here's hoping!
And thanks Paula...especially for those thoughts about the uncle and about Pato's motivations.
Maybe the Uncle went along with it because 1) his brother had harshly rejected him for his "gayness" and 2) Candy is the only one in the family who loves him and he doesn't want to lose her affection by foiling her plan
As for Pato's motivation...maybe he's just a hound. I mean Big Sister (I'm blocking out her name for some reason) is NOTHING like Candi (trying to use all the spellings here).
And especially gracias for the "word crafting". Not sure that's what I do, but I never turn down a compliment.
PS Mike...did you and Emilia watch Fea Mas Bella? Is she a Jaime Camil fan? So far he's the only one garnering attention. Our guys don't seem particularly enthusiastic about any of the womenfolk. It's early days yet though.
I heard this show was originally titled "Estupidas no van . . ." etc., but they had to change it 'cause probably too harsh. They even had something with the different title on the Esmas site at one point.
Hmmmm..you'd think native speakers would be a little more savvy from the get-go. Oh well. Tontas works for me. And I guess we would ALL be better off if we'd learn not to use those harsh labels.
Judy, we missed LFMB, but I've seen beaucoup references to it. JQ was the first TN we got into, and that was probably a month or so along before we got hooked.
We don't get to explicit about the players we find attractive, though she knows that, at my age, I find the Marujas more attractive than the Rossys. And I won't likely get over the amount of makeup these women smear on to their eyes!
BTW, La Señora Emilia is presently non-mission capable following time in the hangar yesterday for a tendon repair on her left tootsie. If you all want to send her your best wishes, I'm sure she'd be happy to receive!
We don't get to explicit about the players we find attractive, though she knows that, at my age, I find the Marujas more attractive than the Rossys. And I won't likely get over the amount of makeup these women smear on to their eyes!
BTW, La Señora Emilia is presently non-mission capable following time in the hangar yesterday for a tendon repair on her left tootsie. If you all want to send her your best wishes, I'm sure she'd be happy to receive!
Mike, regarding Tonto, don't feel to bad. He called the star "Quien no sabe" - he who doesn't know anything (there's a story behind that, but too long to recount here).
The show originally was titled Las estupidas no van a cielo. But some group raised a stink because the word was too harsh, so they changed the title. By that time some of the episodes were already in the can; thus the ambiguity.
Margarita, thank you for the vocabulary. So...
Pat, Santiago, Jaime Camil, and Club America are chilangos since they're all from DF.
Candy, Jacque, and Chivas are tapatías since Guadalajara is in Jalisco. The story takes place in DF and Guad., with stars born in the two cities, so it makes perfect sense to bring in the Chivas/America rivalry.
My non-DF friends tell me that chilangos act superior to everyone else, thus Pato's 'provincial' comment. But my DF friends tell me that nortenos act superior to everyone else. Go figure.
Margarita, now you've got me wondered. I was going to use the moniker Paula Portera (goalie) as a soccer reference. But maybe I like the restaurant reference better.
Paula en Nogada?
Mole Poley?
The show originally was titled Las estupidas no van a cielo. But some group raised a stink because the word was too harsh, so they changed the title. By that time some of the episodes were already in the can; thus the ambiguity.
Margarita, thank you for the vocabulary. So...
Pat, Santiago, Jaime Camil, and Club America are chilangos since they're all from DF.
Candy, Jacque, and Chivas are tapatías since Guadalajara is in Jalisco. The story takes place in DF and Guad., with stars born in the two cities, so it makes perfect sense to bring in the Chivas/America rivalry.
My non-DF friends tell me that chilangos act superior to everyone else, thus Pato's 'provincial' comment. But my DF friends tell me that nortenos act superior to everyone else. Go figure.
Margarita, now you've got me wondered. I was going to use the moniker Paula Portera (goalie) as a soccer reference. But maybe I like the restaurant reference better.
Paula en Nogada?
Mole Poley?
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 2:20:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 2:20:00 PM EST
Really intertaining Recap and thank you. I would like to thank Univision too for airing a show - no make that episode - that didn't leave me groaning at the screen. Maybe I can stick this one out because I MISS YOU GUYS.
Now my 2 and 3 cents: very dramatic improbable getting off the bus to melt down but I liked it. Maybe with my next melt down I too will demand the rest of the world give me a moment.
As for the dead thing with her parents, I agree with taking time away from a toxic environment and we don't yet know if Candi is planning to shut out her parents forever. The death lie also seems to be an act to punish her sister and husband.
About the Mariachi, are the music sound tracks added to the scenes during editing? It would explain why the subtle tone differences if the musical instruments and the voice performance on-set taping are off. Sound is probably boosted by the editor. Just like live concerts sometimes get overwhelmed by what's coming from the speakers and we somehow know that's more than the performers are making on-stage.I remember my teenagers complaining in the old days that so-and-so didn't sound anything like their tapes. But now that's all corrected.
Now my 2 and 3 cents: very dramatic improbable getting off the bus to melt down but I liked it. Maybe with my next melt down I too will demand the rest of the world give me a moment.
As for the dead thing with her parents, I agree with taking time away from a toxic environment and we don't yet know if Candi is planning to shut out her parents forever. The death lie also seems to be an act to punish her sister and husband.
About the Mariachi, are the music sound tracks added to the scenes during editing? It would explain why the subtle tone differences if the musical instruments and the voice performance on-set taping are off. Sound is probably boosted by the editor. Just like live concerts sometimes get overwhelmed by what's coming from the speakers and we somehow know that's more than the performers are making on-stage.I remember my teenagers complaining in the old days that so-and-so didn't sound anything like their tapes. But now that's all corrected.
I remember asking my Cuban spanish teacher the difference between estupido/a and tonto/a and she very quickly told me never to call someone estupido unless I wanted trouble!
Even though I understand Tontas better than most, I missed the little digs that apparently Pato made to Candi about not being from the DF. Thanks to those who explained it!
It sounded like Candi's mother was calling her Candidad, so I was guessing an i for the ending, unlike Cande (Candeleria) on Cuidado.
Paula, I had heard that Kemosabi was sometimes understood to be a take-off on the spanish "Quien lo sabe" (much nicer than no sabe!), or in different native american dialects to mean "Trusted Scout" or "White Shirt". I had heard that Tonto meant "wild one" in Potawatomi (I had to Google it to remember which tribe). I've always been interested in that kind of thing since my father's grandmother was Cherokee. Back when the Lone Ranger was filmed there was no such thing as PC, so they probably just came up with things over drinks and put them in the script!
Even though I understand Tontas better than most, I missed the little digs that apparently Pato made to Candi about not being from the DF. Thanks to those who explained it!
It sounded like Candi's mother was calling her Candidad, so I was guessing an i for the ending, unlike Cande (Candeleria) on Cuidado.
Paula, I had heard that Kemosabi was sometimes understood to be a take-off on the spanish "Quien lo sabe" (much nicer than no sabe!), or in different native american dialects to mean "Trusted Scout" or "White Shirt". I had heard that Tonto meant "wild one" in Potawatomi (I had to Google it to remember which tribe). I've always been interested in that kind of thing since my father's grandmother was Cherokee. Back when the Lone Ranger was filmed there was no such thing as PC, so they probably just came up with things over drinks and put them in the script!
Holy crap I was a bit busy this morning and now 53 comments!
Great recap Judy on a whirlwind episode. I'm looking forward to things settling down a bit, letting us get to know the characters a bit better, but I hope it never approaches the complete stall that Fuego suffered almost immediately. That's still the only show I ever gave up on after starting to watch.
I wasn't ever a big Jackie B. fan, after seeing her in Heridas with her contractually obligated crying (which inspired the UCS), but here so far I like her much better. She did get ugly while smashing her cell phone in the rain, but otherwise she's doing a nice job. I caught a bit of the trademark Valentino Lanus nose scrunch in the previews for tonight's show. So far so good and great recap, looking forward to tonight's!
Great recap Judy on a whirlwind episode. I'm looking forward to things settling down a bit, letting us get to know the characters a bit better, but I hope it never approaches the complete stall that Fuego suffered almost immediately. That's still the only show I ever gave up on after starting to watch.
I wasn't ever a big Jackie B. fan, after seeing her in Heridas with her contractually obligated crying (which inspired the UCS), but here so far I like her much better. She did get ugly while smashing her cell phone in the rain, but otherwise she's doing a nice job. I caught a bit of the trademark Valentino Lanus nose scrunch in the previews for tonight's show. So far so good and great recap, looking forward to tonight's!
Emilia, Emilia...your husband's talking about you like you're an airplane!!! However I know he loves planes so that's alright.
So sorry your tendon needed repairing. You didn't get it caught in that riding mower Mike adores, did you?
Anyway, it sounds painful, so I hope he's waiting on you hand and foot (no pun intended) and that you work this to your benefit for a good long time.
And Bonney Churros...yes, it's been ages. Have all the other telenovelas bored you to tears? I find after an initial resisitance, I get gradually hooked. (well, except for Fuego which is beyond annoying. Still read the recaps though.) Anyway, welcome back. Hope you'll hang with us for a while.
Paula, your comments on Chilangos always feeling superior reminded me of my experience living in France. The French consider themselves superior to all nationalities and living species, but the Parisians consider themselves way superior to the rest of France even. And French Algerians coming back to the home country were roundly snubbed.
By the time I landed in France I could pass for a European at least, but I remember in Switzerland, they'd sniff and say "I could tell you were an American from 10 miles away". NOT a compliment.(in their view)
So sorry your tendon needed repairing. You didn't get it caught in that riding mower Mike adores, did you?
Anyway, it sounds painful, so I hope he's waiting on you hand and foot (no pun intended) and that you work this to your benefit for a good long time.
And Bonney Churros...yes, it's been ages. Have all the other telenovelas bored you to tears? I find after an initial resisitance, I get gradually hooked. (well, except for Fuego which is beyond annoying. Still read the recaps though.) Anyway, welcome back. Hope you'll hang with us for a while.
Paula, your comments on Chilangos always feeling superior reminded me of my experience living in France. The French consider themselves superior to all nationalities and living species, but the Parisians consider themselves way superior to the rest of France even. And French Algerians coming back to the home country were roundly snubbed.
By the time I landed in France I could pass for a European at least, but I remember in Switzerland, they'd sniff and say "I could tell you were an American from 10 miles away". NOT a compliment.(in their view)
Well hey, Ferro, Holy Crap indeed...but remember, half of those 55 comments are mine.
Glad you're liking Miss Jacki better in this one. Of course it's early days yet. Enjoyed your reminder of the Valentino Lanus "scrunch". Yes, indeed.
Rhonda...thanks for that alternative translation for Tonto. I'm feeling much better now. (On the other hand, you might be right about the couple of drinks and the hell with it approach).
Glad you're liking Miss Jacki better in this one. Of course it's early days yet. Enjoyed your reminder of the Valentino Lanus "scrunch". Yes, indeed.
Rhonda...thanks for that alternative translation for Tonto. I'm feeling much better now. (On the other hand, you might be right about the couple of drinks and the hell with it approach).
Oh and Julie...sorry you're not going to be with us as a recapper. But I don't want to give up Fuego either. Could we just do this show 6 days a week!?
Julie, I can't believe you're going back to Fuego. I just can't take that one anymore. I hope you will be watching Tontas and commenting anyway. I will share more recipes eventually.
Ahh. I had a Fuego moment when I read that Patricio was going to export Mexican artistry throughout the woeld.'' Will he call his negocio...say it with me Fuego fans...''Crap from around the World?'' I thought I called dibs on that name if I ever own a store of any kind. I think Molly invented it. And didn't the nasty sister pass Cande's bus as they both fled town in the pouring rain ???? I loved the scene of Cande telling the busdriver to stop the bus so that she could get out , throw away her cellphone, and kneel on the sloshy highway weeping and keening. Yeah..right. My daughter used to take the bus to and from Manhattan often . Let me just tell you that if that driver had been a NYC busdriver , Cande's troubles would be over now because she would be flat as a pancake lying in that downpour. The end. Also, the short waiter was the comic relief on Mundo de Fieras . He was the big blonde's novio. I miss Ernesto. I even miss Alonslo. Did anyone watch them all on Cristina??? I was surprised Lorena wasn't there...just Ern, Slo, Sara, and Rossy. I couldn't tell what they were saying, but Ern 'Jorge ???] looked mighty fine and Slo looked ...slow. ...he's quite a chatterbox...Ern was more the strong , silent type.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 3:08:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 3:08:00 PM EST
Hey Susanlynn, there was some discussion on the Cristina show back on the last recap of QE I believe. Check it out, it's interesting.
Who was it mentioned Jaime Camil in 7 dias? He was fantastic in that movie, stole the show really. I never watched LFMB so I'm really looking forward to seeing him in action here.
Emilia!! I hope you're feeling better and up and chasing Mike with the frying pan soon! How good are you at hopping on one let?
Who was it mentioned Jaime Camil in 7 dias? He was fantastic in that movie, stole the show really. I never watched LFMB so I'm really looking forward to seeing him in action here.
Emilia!! I hope you're feeling better and up and chasing Mike with the frying pan soon! How good are you at hopping on one let?
Recipes? ?? Did you say recipes NinaK?. I been missin recipes?
By the way, even though I was a drop out of Fuego I still binge on those cinnamon rolls shaped like shells; so good with hot chocolate.
By the way, even though I was a drop out of Fuego I still binge on those cinnamon rolls shaped like shells; so good with hot chocolate.
I went back to Fuego because I started it and by golly I'm going to end it!
I wasn't excited about Tontas because it didn't sound like the kind of thing I usually like. So far, though, it's been pretty good.
I wasn't excited about Tontas because it didn't sound like the kind of thing I usually like. So far, though, it's been pretty good.
Thank you for the recap, and I agree that this show is very promising. Patricio and Alicia are awful, aren't they? How can Patricio even look at Alicia, much less marry her, after (he thinks) driving Candi to heart attack and death? I can't believe he really loved Candi.
I agree Cap'n Sylvia, I loved Jaime in 7 Dias. I loved it so much I had to buy it. He really did steal the show and did a great job.
I'd forgotten about the nose-scrunch thing Ferro, now I guess we're even for reminding each other of unlovely things ;o) I can't believe I stood by Amar till the bitter end, what with the amnesia and all. Ugh!
Looking forward to tonight's show and recap, hoping there's a bit more Jaime!
Kim P.
I'd forgotten about the nose-scrunch thing Ferro, now I guess we're even for reminding each other of unlovely things ;o) I can't believe I stood by Amar till the bitter end, what with the amnesia and all. Ugh!
Looking forward to tonight's show and recap, hoping there's a bit more Jaime!
Kim P.
Oh, and thanks for the kind welcome Judy B. I was actually here for La Fea and a few others (Amar, Duelo, Destilando and Pasion with Fernando), but once Pasion was over I didn't like any of the others so I've been off for a while. But I knew I'd be back when they finally got around to showing Jaime's new one. It's good to be back, I've missed all the recaps and comments!!!
Kim P.
Kim P.
''Fuera Dolor''~~ my new mantra.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 5:27:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 5:27:00 PM EST
Welcome back, Compañera Kim.
Sylvia, I mentioned 7 Dias in my Chivas/America post, 12/1 recap. You're right, his 'presence' jumped out of the screen. Everyone else disappeared. If you haven't seen it, I called my Netflix review "Where fire and water collide." A tiger (figuratively) must teach a mouse to live like a tiger, so they can both reach their dreams.
Sylvia, I mentioned 7 Dias in my Chivas/America post, 12/1 recap. You're right, his 'presence' jumped out of the screen. Everyone else disappeared. If you haven't seen it, I called my Netflix review "Where fire and water collide." A tiger (figuratively) must teach a mouse to live like a tiger, so they can both reach their dreams.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 5:33:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 5:33:00 PM EST
Paula, thank you for reminding me of 7 Dias. You're the one who reviewed "Where fire and water collide"? I ended up renting it from Netflix based on the reviews. So thank you!
Also thank you (and others) for the Chivas/America info. It makes this show much more interesting and brought back memories of when I used to work in a kitchen with both factions. Those guys disagreed on everything, from soccer to how to cook chilaquiles.
Also thank you (and others) for the Chivas/America info. It makes this show much more interesting and brought back memories of when I used to work in a kitchen with both factions. Those guys disagreed on everything, from soccer to how to cook chilaquiles.
"Fuera Dolor!" it is, Susanlynn..and remember you have to hit your forhead (gently) while you say it. At least that's how I remember Tio doing it.
Thanks for reminding me of Alicia's name,Carmen, I swear I blocked it out completely...she's such a schwein. The only explanation to me for Patricio marrying her was he was still drunk. But he wasn't drunk when he called her, so that won't work either.
Lordy, you all are getting me all worked up about Seven Días. My To Do list is getting longer by the minute. Don't know if local Blockbuster will have it. I've never gone the Netflix route.
Thanks for reminding me of Alicia's name,Carmen, I swear I blocked it out completely...she's such a schwein. The only explanation to me for Patricio marrying her was he was still drunk. But he wasn't drunk when he called her, so that won't work either.
Lordy, you all are getting me all worked up about Seven Días. My To Do list is getting longer by the minute. Don't know if local Blockbuster will have it. I've never gone the Netflix route.
Thanks Paula! Glad to be back, and glad to see you've been converted into a big Jaime fan. I remember when you first joined LFMB you weren't too impressed, but I knew you'd come around :o) Maybe we can even get Susanlynn converted lol.
Kim P.
Kim P.
Correction, Kim. I've always believed his work is sensational. What a change, seeing a telenovela actor who can act! Como puede ser? And dance and sing and move and communicate non-verbally and melt the TV with one look. Professionally he's incredible. On the personal side.. we don't talk about the personal side on this blog. But even that side seems to be improving.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 6:43:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 6:43:00 PM EST
Hmmmmm...if Susanlynn hasn't fallen for him by now, I don't think it's gonna happen. I can remember thinking he was creepy with that slicked-back heavily oiled hair....and about five minutes later I was a complete goner. I still remember the scene where a suspicious and cynical Lety (she'd seen the cruel letter) went with him to a restaurant...and outside the restaurant he kissed her passionately, wrapped those beautiful hands around her head...until she suddenly pulled away. Whew...excuse me while I go get some ice water. Back later, folks.
I have pretty definite taste in men. On my to-do list : Fernando Colunga, Eduardo Yanez, Marcelo Cordoba . I also am attracted to the guy who played Ernesto and the guy who plays Santos on Dona Barbara and Mario C. from El Cuerpo on Telemundo. Leaving the world of telenovelas, my list includes Dean Cain [Superman], Adrian Paul [Highlander the tv series], Joe Lando [Dr. Quinn's boytoy], Sean Connery [Bond], and Timothy Dalton [Bond]. The common denominator of all these guys ...can you find it ??? Jaimie Camil...sorry...nada.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 7:07:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 7:07:00 PM EST
Judy B, last night (Tuesday) I was switching back and forth between Tontas and CNN -Lou Dobbs, tonight I will focus on Tontas...This show kinda, sorta remind me of JQ, and it does have the ingrediants to get me hooked, it just is not making much sense for now....I will stay focused tonight
Wow, 75 comments and I haven't seen the episode yet. I think I owe Ferro a comment too. I did see the opener and started reading part of his but didn't get all the way through. Anyway, I'll be caught up by the weekend I hope!!!!
I don't think I'll see it before I do tonight's though....already love the MTM reference!!!!
I don't think I'll see it before I do tonight's though....already love the MTM reference!!!!
Fuego, if you look here again, good luck. I found tonight's episode very disjointed...and things were edited out that were on youtube and helped it make sense. Bizarro. Glad I don't have to recap it.
Anonymous #1...things moved very fast both Monday and Tuesday, so I'm not surprised if you got lost switching back and forth to Lou Dobbs. Hopefully things will smooth out and make more sense later.
Anonymous #1...things moved very fast both Monday and Tuesday, so I'm not surprised if you got lost switching back and forth to Lou Dobbs. Hopefully things will smooth out and make more sense later.
Glad folks like the Mexico references. I know I can get a little verbose sometimes, so I'm glad I haven't put anyone to sleep yet ;)
Emilia, hope your tendon heals soon. It's no fun being gimpy, especially when trying to navigate through the insane crowds during the season at ANY store (even for just groceries).
Emilia, hope your tendon heals soon. It's no fun being gimpy, especially when trying to navigate through the insane crowds during the season at ANY store (even for just groceries).
Susanlynn, woo hoo!!! Nothing wrong with that list at all!!! I love Adrian Paul too, as well as many of the others you have. Good taste. I guess I can forgive you for not including Jaime :o)
Judy -If you're still reading this at this late hour, thanks for the recap.
I'm glad the show has spared us weeks and weeks of the post marital despair of Pato & Cande.
Which brings up a point - since Cande's not really muerta, guess P's marriage to evil Alicia is invalid.
The fake death is toooo much, especially with Tio as accomplice.
Cande is very vengeful, isn't she?
I had a deja vu when Cande got her hair cut, having done the same thing in my 20's, for similar reasons. That scene rang true for me.
There's a musical "leitmotif" that is straight out of LFMB - the foreboding, tinkly piano thing. It was always in some sad scene with Fer and Lety, so I reaaallly don't like it.
(BTW Judy - 100% contigo on the Fer & Lety restaurant scene - was that something or what?? Gotta hose down now. ;) )
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I'm glad the show has spared us weeks and weeks of the post marital despair of Pato & Cande.
Which brings up a point - since Cande's not really muerta, guess P's marriage to evil Alicia is invalid.
The fake death is toooo much, especially with Tio as accomplice.
Cande is very vengeful, isn't she?
I had a deja vu when Cande got her hair cut, having done the same thing in my 20's, for similar reasons. That scene rang true for me.
There's a musical "leitmotif" that is straight out of LFMB - the foreboding, tinkly piano thing. It was always in some sad scene with Fer and Lety, so I reaaallly don't like it.
(BTW Judy - 100% contigo on the Fer & Lety restaurant scene - was that something or what?? Gotta hose down now. ;) )
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 1:04:00 AM EST
: Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 1:04:00 AM EST
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