Saturday, April 04, 2009
MEPS 4/3/09: Guess Who’s Coming To Dinner, Fernanda!
Capítulo 34
We start back at the hospital ER in Toluca. Ciro says something cryptic about battles and missions. Just when Eduardo is about to get something out of him about Lili’s whereabouts that might actually make sense Ciro begins to flat line. Yep. The old dude’s vitals start tanking and St. Peter starts impatiently tapping his toe in the waitin’ room, but Eddie stays to beg the guy to wake back up long enough to tell him where Lili is. (Query 1: Why is it crazy people always answer in riddled code? Query 2: Why is it that telenovela heroes always demand sane answers from crazy people when they know crazy people always answer in riddled code? Dude, if the old guy isn’t talking now he sure won’t be able to from The Great Beyond. Split and let the pros do their thing already!) Ed heads for the door and sees the real “doctor de demencia” [madness, luncacy], Dr. Obregon, arguing with Nurse Sofia outside the door and blocking his escape.
We start back at the hospital ER in Toluca. Ciro says something cryptic about battles and missions. Just when Eduardo is about to get something out of him about Lili’s whereabouts that might actually make sense Ciro begins to flat line. Yep. The old dude’s vitals start tanking and St. Peter starts impatiently tapping his toe in the waitin’ room, but Eddie stays to beg the guy to wake back up long enough to tell him where Lili is. (Query 1: Why is it crazy people always answer in riddled code? Query 2: Why is it that telenovela heroes always demand sane answers from crazy people when they know crazy people always answer in riddled code? Dude, if the old guy isn’t talking now he sure won’t be able to from The Great Beyond. Split and let the pros do their thing already!) Ed heads for the door and sees the real “doctor de demencia” [madness, luncacy], Dr. Obregon, arguing with Nurse Sofia outside the door and blocking his escape.
Suddenly the alarm goes off from Ciro’s monitor notifying the entire ER staff that Ciro’s about to permanently check out. The nurse in OR scrubs and gown starts screaming “Emergencia! Emergencia!” (Okay. Admit it. You were really expecting to hear “Código Azul” now weren’t you? Hard to admit that ER has finally gone to that medical show post-mortem in the sky, isn’t it?) The Edster realizes it’s now or never and he’d better ditch the doctor disguise and skedaddle, aka, SCRAM!
Obregon and the two nurses race into the room just as Eddie manages to sneak around to the other side of a nearby screen-divider and hide. Our Dr. Demento totally ignores the croaking Ciro. He’d rather play detective than doctor and crabs about where the impostor went and then threatens to report the nurses, who are more interested at this point in saving the patient than saving their professional backsides, for being so carelessly irresponsible. Nurse Sofia barks back that they’re supposed to be paying attention to the dying patient (duh!) and that if he’s really the guy’s doctor like he says, then (essentially) to get his size ten head out of his size 8 rectum and start doctoring. (Query: Is it just in TV-land that nurses actually get to gritch back at doctors?) Dr. D’Oh! takes a reality check and starts working on Ciro. Eddie finally makes his move and exits unseen through the door while the others attend to Ciro. Once he’s outside he prays that the old man can hang on. A second later Ed smoothly hands Ciro’s file to a couple of nurses and glides down the hall, headed for home.
On the other side of the city, Vlad tells Prissy he thinks she’s making a mistake. She tells him he’ll see she was right; that their relationship is a dead-end. He says fine. Go ahead then and leave but he’ll be waiting there for her when she comes back to him. (Viewerville pauses for another group sigh. Vlad’s no saint, but at least he’s not from The Dark Side, either. He may not be TMBLMOE, but you got to admit that there is definitely something sexy about that kind of sincerity.) Just as Pris is about to walk out the door he mentions he found something of hers that fell near the couch when she was there before. Vlad does the honorable thing and hands her over the envelope with Any Balls’ test results. He adds pathetically, “I found it after we’d finished making love.” (Tell me he didn’t just say that! Viewerville has just nominated him to Team Alpha-Male and suddenly he’s wearing a kick-me sign on his chest.) Without a single word of thanks she coolly takes back the envelope. “Good-bye, Vladimir.” “—See you soon, my love.” (This is way too painful.) She looks back at him with an icy blue-eyed frown and leaves. Poor Vlad was looking for love. Pris was simply searching for a stud bull. Vlad’s been had and he knows it.
Back in Villa Madero’s slums, Martina races out of the house on her way to work at the bar. She runs into Carlos, the still-wet-behind-the-ears dreamy young doctor who diagnosed her daddy with cataracts. They exchange greetings. He says he just happens to be in the neighborhood checking on her father. She starts to race off. Carlos stops her and says he knows she doesn’t really work at the little hospital. Martina is embarrassed to admit that she doesn’t and that no, her father doesn’t know. Carlos wonders why she hasn’t told her papi and all she can say is that it’s because her father wouldn’t understand, much less him and then rushes off to work.
Pris returns to the fertility clinic for her results from the pregnancy test she took that morning. Mission Impossible is now Mission Accomplished as Prissy learns she’s got her bun in the oven. She tears up the test results and throws them away. (The question all of Viewerville is asking is: did Any Balls manage to pull the trigger in bed the last time with her a couple of weeks ago or not, so she can fudge the timeline.)
Aurora and Fernanda are chatting in the dining room at the hacienda while Rory helps Nanda with the floral arrangements for the dinner. Nanda asks about her family. Rory tells Fernanda that she can’t lie to her. The truth is she doesn’t have any family and Santiago made up the rest, but if everyone knew, she says, they’d think the worst of her. Fer says not to worry because she knows her brother and that it had to be his idea. Rory asks and finds out that Fernanda’s mother died fifteen years earlier. She wonders how the Elizalde’s get along with Bab’s family. Fer thinks a bit, and then says that it is strange but they don’t really know anyone from Babs’ family.
Speaking of which, Lucio is chauffeuring Bitch-Barbie home. She’s anxious for Eduardo to make his appearance and is thinking to herself that he should already have arrived by now. Lucio interrupts her thoughts to ask her if Eduardo is really coming back. “It’s none of your concern!” He explains he still wants her to give him Soledad’s house and that would put a wrench in the works, obviously. BOW refuses to be pressured and snarls back that they’ll see about it when the time comes.
At Las Animas a while later, Denia interrupts Ed to tell him she’s brought her stuff and would like to have the room nearest the house. She’s a regular Chatty-Cathy, but she’s really doing her part to be pleasant. Fr/Eduardo is off in his own world. He says sure, whatever, but barely acknowledges her.
Lili has now made it back to the main square of Villa Madero. A street vendor offers her a popsicle which she innocently takes. She starts to leave but doesn’t realize she hasn’t paid him for it. The guy chases her for the money but Lili is oblivious to the commotion she’s causing. Jairo, the manager at the Mud Wrasslers’ Cantina, is getting his shoes shined in the little plaza and has been watching her for a few minutes. He pays for the popsicle and then takes her with him back to the cantina.
At the cantina, meanwhile, Martina tells Venus about what happened outside her house earlier that morning with Carlos. She is disappointed that he probably won’t want to have anything more to do with her if he finds out where she really works. (This is Mexican fantasy-land. Viewerville makes the appropriate beanie-adjustment to “Reality Override” and continues watching.) Carlos, apparently smart enough to be a doc but not smart enough to be a detective and follow her, sits in his office mentally constipated and wondering where the heck she does work. (Go figure.)
Back at Las Animas, Eduardo is locked in his study, looking at the giant chess piece and remembering the gibberish that Ciro told him about “the mission being the letter”. He goes looking for his mother’s letter and begins reading it just as Denia starts knocking at the study door. She tells him somebody is on the phone for him but since she’s not to go around asking questions she didn’t find out who it was, just knows that it sounded like a woman.
At the Elizalde hacienda, Fernanda asks Tomasa to let her know as soon as she gets any phone calls because she’s still expecting to hear from Eduardo Juarez. Tomasa leaves and Fer starts thinking to herself that even though she cannot understand what it might have been that caused Eduardo to act the way he did, she still holds a little hope that because of the affection the two shared when they were children, the two of them can reconcile somehow.
The call to Fr/Eddie is from Errorika. He asks if she’s told Fer that he’s coming with her tonight. Err says no, she’s keeping it a surprise. She’s all excited that Don Gonzo is really serious about the appeasement dinner and Cadmilo having to apologize in front of everyone. No way, she says, he wouldn’t show since his father is forcing him to be there. Fr/Ed says he thinks Cad should have to do a lot more to get her to forgive him than just attending a dinner and saying a simple “Forgive me” that his father has coerced from him. She agrees but says this is only the first step towards teaching him his lesson.
Err then asks Fr/Eddie if they could behave like lovers while they’re at the Elizaldes. He wonders if she means like holding hands or something. She says well maybe they could work in a little kiss, but if that’s too daring then he doesn’t have to bother. It’s really just enough having him there with her at the dinner. He thinks to himself that a few PDA’s might just be a great way to demonstrate to Fer his apathy towards her, so he tells Err it’ll be fine. She asks then if it’s ok if she kisses him. He says fine, but that she’s not to force things. She says she can’t wait to see the looks on their faces when she shows up with him. He adds, sort of apathetically, yeah, him too.
Barb and Lucio finally make it back to the hacienda. Lucio asks BOW again about the house he wanted. She tells him that if Eduardo doesn’t show that night, the house will be his. “Pray to the Devil and let him know so he can grant you your wish.” She enters the house and finds Aurora in her office looking at the picture of her and Gonzo.
At the same time, Jairo arrives at Mud Wrassler’s Cantina with Lili. He orders Venus to feed her, and then tells Margarita to get her looking decent for the customers and to find out her name. Martina sits down with Lili and is muy impactada to find out that it’s Lili Elizalde. Martina goes immediately over to Jairo and asks what he plans to do if her family shows up there. He laughs and says he’ll take advantage of her as long as he can.
Back at the Elizalde’s, Rory apologizes for walking into Babs’office, but Babs sweetly says it’s no problem. After all she is her step-son’s fiancée. Aurora still has that deer-in-the-headlights look on her face.
At Las Animas, Eddie is in a rotten mood and he locks himself up in his office after grousing at Denia about not disturbing him, not for visitors, not for phone calls, and not for coffee or cookies either! (Dealing with Fr/Ed is not going to be easy for a social animal like Denia.) When he’s finally sure he’s alone, he takes out his mother’s letter and begins reading it:
“My days are numbered, however I wait calmly for death. It can’t be so painful, especially after having had to live apart from my adored son. I don’t know whether you will get this letter at some time, my son. It will be left to Divine Justice to determine. With faith you will and if it should happen, then you will need courage and nerve to comprehend the seriousness of what I now write. Son, a heavy threat weighs over you; a secret you are unaware of. In order to protect your life I will carry it to the tomb. It is not our sin that filled our lives with desolation…Because of it you had to live apart from your most beloved treasures, your childhood with me, your friends, galloping on your horse, Amanacer. That very same sin denied you the right to yearn for love. Ah! Impossible, possible…hmm…just as long as it might be a good one. --Possibly your enemy believes you know this secret. It will be your eternal damnation or your strength.
I am leaving this letter with my little dove (Lili), the final innocent victim of those who pursue us. Nobody has …..????? (Totally unintelligible between the sniffles and the crying and the missing captions)… such disgrace…. Liliana is the first step towards your own freedom. Afterward you get far away, as far as you might be able to from this destructive force that terrorizes you and me. It’s only right that you should know that the wound of our separation and the disgraceful act that was committed against Liliana were provoked for the same reason and by the same person. Because only you can stop her, only you would have your motive for doing it.
The secret cannot be written down because it would be too dangerous. Liliana knows it but is not aware of knowing it. Son, you must discover it and at the right time you will know what to do about it. Be courageous, my son. I will always be at your side.”
Eduardo finishes the letter and then races out of the house and over to Jacinto’s.
Back in her office, Babs starts to question Aurora about her family and her background. She asks her whether she plans to stay or to leave and tries to force her into a corner over details. Rory won’t give her a straight answer and leaves the room abruptly. Babs is certain at that point that she’s hiding something from her.
Rory races out to find Santiago and tells him she can’t possibly sit through that dinner with the family because she’s afraid at any moment with so many lies they’ve been telling everybody that one of the them will be sure to figure out they’ve been pulling the wool over their eyes. Santiago says he won’t force her to do anything she doesn’t want to do. Anyway, it’s Cad’s concern, not hers. He suggests that they take a drive through Mexico City instead.
Dominga, still sauced, is literally crying in her beer and worries about losing the money she gets from the man who left Aurora with her with all these years once he finds out she’s left for good.
Somewhere in Mexico City, Artemio Bravo opens a drawer and pulls out an old photo of a young woman, and then answers a phone call.
Errorika calls Fer to chat and tells her that she is falling in love. Fer asks her to go slowly with this new enfatuation because it seems a bit soon to be getting involved with somebody else. Err swears that what happened with Cadmilo has made her see the light. It opened her eyes and made her realize she needed to dump the jerk; and then she met a decent, extremely attentive man “with a halo of mystery that makes him irresistible.” Fernanda says she just hopes the guy isn’t two-faced.
Eddie gets to Jacinto’s but he isn’t there. He lets Margarita read Soledad’s letter instead.
Back at the hacienda, Fer tells Err that she’s ticked because Eduardo hasn’t arrived yet and what’s more, he hasn’t even taken the bother to call her even though he’s in Mexico City.
Ed is discussing the situation at the asylum and with his mother. He is surprised to find out that Margarita and Jacinto didn’t know about Soledad’s visits to Lili at the hospital. Everyone was forbidden to visit her, says Margo. They know he’s got to speak with Lili to unravel the mystery and find out what the secret is. Margo says she’s worried about him being in such danger. He explains that the problem now is that Lili fled the asylum in the confusion of the explosion, and that her family doesn’t know because the hospital staff is still hoping to find her. Margo wonders if Lili is headed back for the hacienda. Eddie says he’ll know by tonight if she’s there because he’s eating dinner there. Margo wonders if he isn’t at least a little afraid, considering what his mother wrote. He says he can’t deny that he is, but he has to confront the malicious person that destroyed his and his mother’s lives as well as Lili’s and, who knows how many others, even if it costs him his life.
Margarita then wants to know what she’s supposed to tell Fernanda about Ed being back in town. She’s anxious to speak to him. He tells her to say she hasn’t heard from him. Margo says Fer shouldn’t be blamed for this. She’s had no part in it. He says everyone is to blame: those who acted and those who allowed them to. Margo asks him if it is possible that he’s trying to hate Fernanda when in truth he’s never stopped loving her. Ed huffs and puffs his answer.
It’s almost time for the guests to arrive. Damian and Nanda are smooching in their bedroom while she finishes getting ready. He wants to have a quickie (to make sure the marriage gets consummated per the Barbot’s orders). Nanda promises him that tonight their honeymoon will begin, but since the guests have just arrived he’ll have to wait for that quickie.
Back at the cantina again, Martina finishes putting make up on Lili. (OMG! It’s Shirley Temple Goes Hollywood Hooker!) Martina’s conscience is causing her grief. She’s not sure she can go through with this.
Back in the land of the loony, Dr. Demento is forced to take an urgent call about Ciro from the hospital in Toluca.
Errika has just arrived at the Elizalde’s for the dinner party with her huge designer sunglasses appropriately and strategically prominent. (Everybody knows about her face, so why the heck hide it with glasses? Pardon me for saying, but isn’t that what battered women do to avoid stares from nosy strangers? --Hell, I’d rub it in by making sure everyone at the table saw the results of what Cad did. And anyway I’ve never understood how in the world anyone sees inside a building with sunglasses on.) Fernanda and Dam ask where her date went. She tells them he left his cell in the car and had to go back for it. Two seconds later Fr/eduardo appears and takes his place beside Err. “Let me introduce you. This is Franco, my boyfriend.” Errorika flashes a brilliant smile as BFF Fernanda fights back a major-size cringe.
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So... the secret (in the letters) is really a RIDDLE, huh... true to telenovela form.
For those having caption problems. Last night I began having them again. Long lapses without any captions, then all of a sudden part of a sentence would pop up. I tried switching from Digital to Analog captions with no luck. Then, I noticed that other stations were missing captions where I would normally see captions even when Univision was having problems in the past couple of weeks ago. Then, I noticed that my tv in another room that has a direct cable connection without a box was NOT having caption problems (Or at least as many of them). So, I rebooted my cable box, by unplugging it, and voila - there were the captions. I left it unplugged overnight - the cable company suggests leaving unplugged for at least one minute. So, it appears that this could be a solution at times to captions disappearing.
For those that thought Ciro was gone from this world, we find that he was merely undergoing a "telenovela crisis".
Isn't it interesting that Fernanda just now discovers that neither she nor her family know anything about Bab's family?? Hmmm.. Telenovela plot convenience.
How convenient it would be to end the telenovela earlier if Ed just xeroxed the letter and gave a copy personally (or thru Jacinto or Margarita - can't trust the mail) to each Elizalde. But, that would violate telenovela commandment no. 38 - "Never do anything to cut the telenovela short."
Gardenia is going to be a little pest, don't you think? Trying to overhear Eduardo/Franco's phone conversations, etc.
I think it will be good for Lili to become a wrestler. It'll toughen her up and get her "combat ready" for future encounters with the bad guys. I'm glad she has found the wrestler as her protector.
Could it be that Lili will soon leave her "dumb" Lili behind and become a person with "normal" senses, but a basketful of revenge??
Did you notice how Artemio Bravo answered the phone in the middle of the show and then we saw nothing further about it?? That is called "the telenovela continuity problem". Telenovelas, it seems, aren't necessarily concerned with the logical sequence of events. It could be a call from Aurora's "jailer" that Aurora has escaped.
BTW, a possible answer to Errika wearing sunglasses to the dinner is that seeing her eye will result in an emotional response from Fernanda, if not Gonzo and all of the family - maybe even Camilo.
For those having caption problems. Last night I began having them again. Long lapses without any captions, then all of a sudden part of a sentence would pop up. I tried switching from Digital to Analog captions with no luck. Then, I noticed that other stations were missing captions where I would normally see captions even when Univision was having problems in the past couple of weeks ago. Then, I noticed that my tv in another room that has a direct cable connection without a box was NOT having caption problems (Or at least as many of them). So, I rebooted my cable box, by unplugging it, and voila - there were the captions. I left it unplugged overnight - the cable company suggests leaving unplugged for at least one minute. So, it appears that this could be a solution at times to captions disappearing.
For those that thought Ciro was gone from this world, we find that he was merely undergoing a "telenovela crisis".
Isn't it interesting that Fernanda just now discovers that neither she nor her family know anything about Bab's family?? Hmmm.. Telenovela plot convenience.
How convenient it would be to end the telenovela earlier if Ed just xeroxed the letter and gave a copy personally (or thru Jacinto or Margarita - can't trust the mail) to each Elizalde. But, that would violate telenovela commandment no. 38 - "Never do anything to cut the telenovela short."
Gardenia is going to be a little pest, don't you think? Trying to overhear Eduardo/Franco's phone conversations, etc.
I think it will be good for Lili to become a wrestler. It'll toughen her up and get her "combat ready" for future encounters with the bad guys. I'm glad she has found the wrestler as her protector.
Could it be that Lili will soon leave her "dumb" Lili behind and become a person with "normal" senses, but a basketful of revenge??
Did you notice how Artemio Bravo answered the phone in the middle of the show and then we saw nothing further about it?? That is called "the telenovela continuity problem". Telenovelas, it seems, aren't necessarily concerned with the logical sequence of events. It could be a call from Aurora's "jailer" that Aurora has escaped.
BTW, a possible answer to Errika wearing sunglasses to the dinner is that seeing her eye will result in an emotional response from Fernanda, if not Gonzo and all of the family - maybe even Camilo.
Great recap, Jardinera. I'm glad you printed the entire letter. Of course it doesn't tell the actual secret, but how many women are there who could be Ed's enemy. He has to at least figure out the Barbara connection right away. The killing of Montserrat would take longer, but various people know parts of the puzzle, so theoretically, he could know the answer in a few days. However, according to telenovela law (as ably listed in Silverfox's comment), we'll probably have to wait months for him to put it all together.
Regarding Toluca, I've been following Jaime Camil's "Aventura por Mexico," a motorcycle tour all over Mexico. This is a clip from Nevado de Toluca, a volcanic peak and two crater lakes outside the city of Toluca (-7C = +19F).
GOOD RECAP JARDINERA.
ONE QUESTION IS PUZZLING ME. HOW IS IT THAT EDUARDO'S LAST NAME IS JUAREZ AND SOLEDAD'S IS CRUZ...???
I MAY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING IN THE PAST CAPITULOS..
ANN - BROOKLYN
ONE QUESTION IS PUZZLING ME. HOW IS IT THAT EDUARDO'S LAST NAME IS JUAREZ AND SOLEDAD'S IS CRUZ...???
I MAY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING IN THE PAST CAPITULOS..
ANN - BROOKLYN
Permalink posted by 
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 5:19:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 5:19:00 PM EDT
The chess piece is a king with the cross on its head cut off. (must have broken) The queen piece has a roundish crown. I have a couple of chess sets and used to play when I was younger. I'm out of practice now. Here is a visual reference for non players:
http://www.thechesspiece.com/indian/chess_set_nouvelleW600.jpg
It's good that Martina still shows some respect for Liliana once she found out that it was her. Btw she looks good.
Gardenia better stop being nosy with Franco. I liked the way he nodded his head to get rid of her...I really like Gardenia but she is too impulsive. She has got to stay calm. Tranquilo por favor Gardenia.
I think the pic that Artemio Bravo was looking at was Babs when she was much younger.
Ibarramedia
http://www.thechesspiece.com/indian/chess_set_nouvelleW600.jpg
It's good that Martina still shows some respect for Liliana once she found out that it was her. Btw she looks good.
Gardenia better stop being nosy with Franco. I liked the way he nodded his head to get rid of her...I really like Gardenia but she is too impulsive. She has got to stay calm. Tranquilo por favor Gardenia.
I think the pic that Artemio Bravo was looking at was Babs when she was much younger.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 5:22:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 5:22:00 PM EDT
Loved your opening quip about St.Peter tapping his toe in the waiting room. What a picture.
And you know, I was wondering the same thing during the hospital scenes. From what I know of doctor/nurse relationships, a nurse would NEVER lip off like that to a doctor. Never never never. But, of course, all rules of real life suspended in tnland.
Quite impressed that you put in the whole letter. Too bad it didn't really tell Eduardo very much, but at least that explains why it appeared so early in the episode.
I'm so hooked on this story, I actually felt queasy when Damian moved in to seduce Fernanda. And that icky mustache, who knows where it's been!? Sure hope he doesn't get lucky later on that night (unless it's with the demonic Barbara). Keep Fernanda pure and waiting for our hero!!!!
Thanks Jardinera...always a pleasure to read your take on things.
And you know, I was wondering the same thing during the hospital scenes. From what I know of doctor/nurse relationships, a nurse would NEVER lip off like that to a doctor. Never never never. But, of course, all rules of real life suspended in tnland.
Quite impressed that you put in the whole letter. Too bad it didn't really tell Eduardo very much, but at least that explains why it appeared so early in the episode.
I'm so hooked on this story, I actually felt queasy when Damian moved in to seduce Fernanda. And that icky mustache, who knows where it's been!? Sure hope he doesn't get lucky later on that night (unless it's with the demonic Barbara). Keep Fernanda pure and waiting for our hero!!!!
Thanks Jardinera...always a pleasure to read your take on things.
Great funny recap, Jardinera. I feel like Martina's admiring doctor... "mentally constipated." What kind of a Secret is this which tells us... nothing. Don't Eddie, Jacinto and Marge and already know that Barb killed Montserrat and had Liiana placed in the asylum. The letter doesn't say a word about Cigarman or what Soledad's connection to him is. Just that Ed needs to go far far away forever from all this evil to protect himself...which is what she told Ed on her deathbed. Do I remember all this correctly? GinCA
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 6:52:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 6:52:00 PM EDT
Jardinera: Thanks for printing the letter. I was still on YouTube for this chapter, and like you, had a problem with the sobs and tears.
Gardenia, that pretty, silly creature, got on my last nerve. She ought to mind her own business, and you'd think she would since she was trained at the Elizalde hacienda.
Today I have real TV, movies, the news, etc. But, the captions aren't coordinated, and I don't care. I feel like I've been rescued from a desert island.
Silverfox: I love tn comandment 38-it's perfect.
Gardenia, that pretty, silly creature, got on my last nerve. She ought to mind her own business, and you'd think she would since she was trained at the Elizalde hacienda.
Today I have real TV, movies, the news, etc. But, the captions aren't coordinated, and I don't care. I feel like I've been rescued from a desert island.
Silverfox: I love tn comandment 38-it's perfect.
Regarding doctor/nurse relationships (I'm a nurse): It depends on the doctor, the nurse and the hospital. I'm somehow doubting that in Mexico it'd be very likely. I suspect nurses there would still tend to be seen as the "doctor's handmaiden" (ick) rather than competent professionals in their own right.
Loved the recap Jardinera. So the letter still didn't reveal much except that Eddie is facing a great evil. So I wonder how long will it be before he finds Lil to discover the secret? Monday is sure to be full of fireworks at the dinner. Can't wait to see how Babs reacts to Eddie/Franco's appearance and he and Nanda stealing glances LOL. I'm also glad that Circo didn't die and Lil has found another allie in the wrestler. LOL at her bizarre Shirley Temple goes Hollywood hooker makeover. I too think Gardenia is going to be a handful for Eddie too.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 7:45:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 7:45:00 PM EDT
Wonderful recap, Jardinera! Thank goodness you detailed the letter from Soledad. It was a meandering letter, with no real information or help for her adored son. (telenovela style) It seemed a bit too peculiar and cryptic for a campesino to write...
jb
jb
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 8:55:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 8:55:00 PM EDT
Yeah, Denia is a perky pest. Luv her curly 'do though! Ed's indifference is way weird and sure to peak her feline curiousity. You just know she's going to screw up Eduardo's perfect planning somehow. He's been darned rude to her considering she's Jacinto's SIL and a childhood friend that wrote him that card to keep him from being homesick. Ed may be the galan, but he's got a sh!tload of faults. He's turning into a class A jerk because, per telenovela rules, he suffers from a "failure to commun'cate."
Pasofino: I'll take slow captions over none at all. Desert Island scenario is muy correcto!
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Ibarramedia: Thanks for the chess piece photo. ¡Perfecto!
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Everybody JudyB/Silverfox/Hombre/jb/PirateBabe: per the letter, I am still not sure I got it all. It was really weird and I am waiting to see if Jarocha has anything to add or to correct. It was hit and miss. The sentence structure was almost non-existent at times, let alone the mysteriously disappearing and reappearing captions, or some of the stranger idioms! ¡Ay! Highwire translation without a safety net!
Pasofino: I'll take slow captions over none at all. Desert Island scenario is muy correcto!
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Ibarramedia: Thanks for the chess piece photo. ¡Perfecto!
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Everybody JudyB/Silverfox/Hombre/jb/PirateBabe: per the letter, I am still not sure I got it all. It was really weird and I am waiting to see if Jarocha has anything to add or to correct. It was hit and miss. The sentence structure was almost non-existent at times, let alone the mysteriously disappearing and reappearing captions, or some of the stranger idioms! ¡Ay! Highwire translation without a safety net!
Ann in Brooklyn: Welcome! If I'm not mistaken, and perhaps Jarocha can clarify, the children have the father's last name come first, followed by the mother's maiden name. Eduardo's daddy's name was apparently Juárez and Soledad's maiden name was Cruz.
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Joyce: Welcome! Glad to have your input (professionally speaking). I await Carlos, our resident blogging physician, to weigh in on this as well. I spent a whole summer assisting in an operating room and never once heard sass from a nurse. Sorry to say, I could not say the same for the docs in there..... The charge nurse, on the other hand, was a BOW in her own right when it came to the staff. Safe to say I do not hold fond memories of the woman and hope her spawn drive her mad. Lets. just. leave. it. at. that.
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Joyce: Welcome! Glad to have your input (professionally speaking). I await Carlos, our resident blogging physician, to weigh in on this as well. I spent a whole summer assisting in an operating room and never once heard sass from a nurse. Sorry to say, I could not say the same for the docs in there..... The charge nurse, on the other hand, was a BOW in her own right when it came to the staff. Safe to say I do not hold fond memories of the woman and hope her spawn drive her mad. Lets. just. leave. it. at. that.
Jardinera,thanks for a wonderfully funny recap. Right on target as ever. Joyce,I remember fondly the days of the Drs. handmaidens, they were very competent an would have immediately recgnizd the lovely Dr. Ed as a fraud, and the slimy Dr. O would not have needd to berrinchify. Ann, I don't hear all that well but you needn't shout. Carlos
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 9:32:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 9:32:00 PM EDT
I agree that a real nurse wouldn't talk to the doctor that way. But a real doctor wouldn't be playing Sherlock Holmes while the patient is flatlining.
Ann, thank you for joining us. I hope we hear more from you. What Carlos meant is that on boards like this, people use all capital letters to represent shouting. If you can't shift case, it's better to type in all lower case rather than all-caps. Again, thank you for chiming in.
Compañero Carlos, espero que no te molesto.
Ann, thank you for joining us. I hope we hear more from you. What Carlos meant is that on boards like this, people use all capital letters to represent shouting. If you can't shift case, it's better to type in all lower case rather than all-caps. Again, thank you for chiming in.
Compañero Carlos, espero que no te molesto.
Hi Anonymous:
You asked "Don't Eddie, Jacinto and Marge and already know that Barb killed Montserrat and had Liiana placed in the asylum?"
The answer is no, they don't.
That is part of the secret to be revealed by Liliana when they find her - also that the name of the guy behind the deal is Artemio Brevo.
There was, in addition, the reason that Artemia Brevo is so angry at these folks. It was implied earlier that Soledad may have known that secret - which Lili did not have - Lili only overheard his name, not his motivation, as I reczall.
If that is true, that part of the "secret" died with Soledad and they will have to learn Artemio's motive later, I guess.
You asked "Don't Eddie, Jacinto and Marge and already know that Barb killed Montserrat and had Liiana placed in the asylum?"
The answer is no, they don't.
That is part of the secret to be revealed by Liliana when they find her - also that the name of the guy behind the deal is Artemio Brevo.
There was, in addition, the reason that Artemia Brevo is so angry at these folks. It was implied earlier that Soledad may have known that secret - which Lili did not have - Lili only overheard his name, not his motivation, as I reczall.
If that is true, that part of the "secret" died with Soledad and they will have to learn Artemio's motive later, I guess.
CARLOS:
SORRY TO "SHOUT" BUT MY FINGERS ARE NOT SO NIMBLE SO IT'S EASIER TO TYPE IN CAPS.
ANN - BKLYN
SORRY TO "SHOUT" BUT MY FINGERS ARE NOT SO NIMBLE SO IT'S EASIER TO TYPE IN CAPS.
ANN - BKLYN
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 9:55:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 9:55:00 PM EDT
carlos
sorry didn't get the end of your message. will use lower case.
ann - bklyn
sorry didn't get the end of your message. will use lower case.
ann - bklyn
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 9:59:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 9:59:00 PM EDT
paula
sorry confused your comment with carlo's message. will use lower case. thanks for the info.
ann - bklyn
sorry confused your comment with carlo's message. will use lower case. thanks for the info.
ann - bklyn
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 10:02:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 10:02:00 PM EDT
Jardinera, a fine recap as usual, thanks so much. I loved the scene with Lil and the makeup and jewels,there are just some things a girl doesn't forget. If I recall she was practicing to be a rock star before they shipped her off to the funny farm. Maybe she will be the new opening act at the Mud Bar.
rsk
rsk
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 10:04:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 10:04:00 PM EDT
beautiful, ann. thank you for making the switch. paula h.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 10:23:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 10:23:00 PM EDT
Wow Jardinera! That was an amazing recap! Every part of it was perfect and the translation of the letter was so great.
The only thing was the part that you missed, but it's okay, here is what she said: "Nobody has ever suffered as much injustice and infamy like you and her, free her son, (then the recap picks up the next) Liliana is the first step towards your own freedom..."
As for the last name issue, you are also right Jardinera. People in México have two last names, the first one is the first last name of their father and the second one is the first last name of their mother, for women, this is their maiden name and when they get married they adopt the first last name of their husband and lose their second last name.
I don't know if it sounded like I was speaking in riddle myself, so to try and be more clear here is an example: Lucero's parents are Luz María León de Hogaza and Jose Antonio Hogaza López (RIP).
So Lucero's full name was: Lucero Hogaza León.
But then, she got married to Juan Manuel Mijares Morán (better known as singer Manuel Mijares, the interpreter of the theme songs of Querida Enemiga and El Privilegio de Amar).
So her name now is: Lucero Hogaza de Mijares.
I'm pretty intrigued about Soledad's connection to Artemio Bravo, I feel like there is more to what we have already been told, and while Gardenia annoys me, I felt like Eduardo should have treated her better, just for the fact that they used to be childhood friends.
Jarocha
The only thing was the part that you missed, but it's okay, here is what she said: "Nobody has ever suffered as much injustice and infamy like you and her, free her son, (then the recap picks up the next) Liliana is the first step towards your own freedom..."
As for the last name issue, you are also right Jardinera. People in México have two last names, the first one is the first last name of their father and the second one is the first last name of their mother, for women, this is their maiden name and when they get married they adopt the first last name of their husband and lose their second last name.
I don't know if it sounded like I was speaking in riddle myself, so to try and be more clear here is an example: Lucero's parents are Luz María León de Hogaza and Jose Antonio Hogaza López (RIP).
So Lucero's full name was: Lucero Hogaza León.
But then, she got married to Juan Manuel Mijares Morán (better known as singer Manuel Mijares, the interpreter of the theme songs of Querida Enemiga and El Privilegio de Amar).
So her name now is: Lucero Hogaza de Mijares.
I'm pretty intrigued about Soledad's connection to Artemio Bravo, I feel like there is more to what we have already been told, and while Gardenia annoys me, I felt like Eduardo should have treated her better, just for the fact that they used to be childhood friends.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 10:34:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 10:34:00 PM EDT
Hi all:
I might add to my post to Anonymous above.
I'm not entirely sure what the Elizalde kids were told about their mother's death.
Barabara convinced Gonzo that Lili killed her mother when Lili was high. And then got her committed without involving the law. ie I believe that the mother's cause of death was possibly listed as "natural" or "accidental" - but I don't know for sure.
It would seem to follow that the Elizalde kids have been told whatever the "made-up story" was - natural or accident. I'm not sure that Fernanda and the others were told anything other than that their sister was simply a drug addicted mental case. If they were told that their sister killed their mother, then I missed that part.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I might add to my post to Anonymous above.
I'm not entirely sure what the Elizalde kids were told about their mother's death.
Barabara convinced Gonzo that Lili killed her mother when Lili was high. And then got her committed without involving the law. ie I believe that the mother's cause of death was possibly listed as "natural" or "accidental" - but I don't know for sure.
It would seem to follow that the Elizalde kids have been told whatever the "made-up story" was - natural or accident. I'm not sure that Fernanda and the others were told anything other than that their sister was simply a drug addicted mental case. If they were told that their sister killed their mother, then I missed that part.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Excellent recap Jardinera. Same thing with us, the CCs disappeared in the middle of the letter. CCs strange tonight, sometimes a little behind, sometimes quite a bit ahead, sit there and wait for the scenes to catch up and then get behind again. Silverfox, is there a list of TN commandants somewhere? Number 38, very true.
Looks like Ciro is still hanging on. Perhaps nurses don't talk back to doctors like that, but when the doctor is standing around like a stooge, very appropriate to get his attention to get him to help out with a dying patient. Since Ciro is still alive, I'll have to give the good doctor a little more credit. Looks like he is good enough to actually keep someone alive!
Sorry, don't count me as someone feeling any sorrow for Vlad. No way can I feel any sympathy for him. Number one, associated with Damian, number two, just trying to hook up with Pris in the first place. Number three, hey, he just never plays a good character, can't be good here either. :-) But, very surprised he gave back the envelope.
Liked the look on the nurse's face when Pris tore up the results and tossed them in the trash.
And Denia hanging around trying to eavesdrop, fantastic. She will definitely cause some problems.
Looking at the preview at the end, Martina was leading Lili down the street and running away.
Oh, and we still have not reached the dinner! Maybe Monday? I hope Santiago told Nanda they weren't going to be there.
JeffMN
Looks like Ciro is still hanging on. Perhaps nurses don't talk back to doctors like that, but when the doctor is standing around like a stooge, very appropriate to get his attention to get him to help out with a dying patient. Since Ciro is still alive, I'll have to give the good doctor a little more credit. Looks like he is good enough to actually keep someone alive!
Sorry, don't count me as someone feeling any sorrow for Vlad. No way can I feel any sympathy for him. Number one, associated with Damian, number two, just trying to hook up with Pris in the first place. Number three, hey, he just never plays a good character, can't be good here either. :-) But, very surprised he gave back the envelope.
Liked the look on the nurse's face when Pris tore up the results and tossed them in the trash.
And Denia hanging around trying to eavesdrop, fantastic. She will definitely cause some problems.
Looking at the preview at the end, Martina was leading Lili down the street and running away.
Oh, and we still have not reached the dinner! Maybe Monday? I hope Santiago told Nanda they weren't going to be there.
JeffMN
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 11:18:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 11:18:00 PM EDT
JeffMN: Fabian Robles used to play good guys all the time when he began appearing in telenovelas, I can't remember who was his first villain character, but suddendly he started appearing only as a bad guy, too bad because he used to be so sweet whe he played the good part.
And he was in a Telenovela years ago called "Primer Amor" where his character and Arlet Terán's (Priscila) ended up together and inlove, so I was loving seeing them together again, but their characteres here are so shady, him especially and Pris definitely doesn't love him, so I can't root for them again (as much as I want to).
Jarocha
And he was in a Telenovela years ago called "Primer Amor" where his character and Arlet Terán's (Priscila) ended up together and inlove, so I was loving seeing them together again, but their characteres here are so shady, him especially and Pris definitely doesn't love him, so I can't root for them again (as much as I want to).
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 11:52:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 11:52:00 PM EDT
Jarocha: Thanks for putting your seal of approval on that letter and for the assist! I was pretty sure that part I missed went something like that, and I just didn't want to chance it because I was so sleepy and so frustrated after reviewing it fifty times and still not hearing it very clearly at all. It's great to have a bilingual commenter on here!
GinCa: I was feeling mentally constipated myself this AM while trying to tidy up the recap. Took a while for the caffeine from my "Robusto" café to kick in.
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rsk: Yeah, a true Cindi Lauper wannabe. You might be right about that singing opportunity at the Mud Bar.
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Jeff: I fully expect and truly hope for fireworks worthy of a 4th of July extravaganza on Monday. --Haven't seen the actor playing Vlad in anything else, unless he was the nasty boyfriend of the blonde villana in El Manantial. I like the dopey sincerity of the character he manages to bring out in the guy. Hubby liked the way Prissy trampled right over his Joe Cool attempts and dragged him by his tongue straight into bed the other night. (Me, too!)
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Carlos: glad you're still smiling, because I strive to be an equal-opportunity slammer of otherwise time-honored professions: doctors, lawyers, indigenous rulers of native populations and yes, even salesmen,......
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rsk: Yeah, a true Cindi Lauper wannabe. You might be right about that singing opportunity at the Mud Bar.
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Jeff: I fully expect and truly hope for fireworks worthy of a 4th of July extravaganza on Monday. --Haven't seen the actor playing Vlad in anything else, unless he was the nasty boyfriend of the blonde villana in El Manantial. I like the dopey sincerity of the character he manages to bring out in the guy. Hubby liked the way Prissy trampled right over his Joe Cool attempts and dragged him by his tongue straight into bed the other night. (Me, too!)
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Carlos: glad you're still smiling, because I strive to be an equal-opportunity slammer of otherwise time-honored professions: doctors, lawyers, indigenous rulers of native populations and yes, even salesmen,......
In GUAPOS, Fabian Robles (Vlad) played the crazy husband of Florencia, the actress who is now playing Aurora.
There has been so much of a buildup to this dinner, that it is really going to have to be full of fireworks to not seem anti-climactic.
NJ sue
There has been so much of a buildup to this dinner, that it is really going to have to be full of fireworks to not seem anti-climactic.
NJ sue
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 12:26:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 12:26:00 AM EDT
Thank you, Jardinera, and to all the recappers. I don't comment very often, but I read you daily. Your dedication has increased my telenovela enjoyment by leaps and bounds!
My recollection was that Monserrat's death was declared a homicide by the first detective on the scene, without a shred of CSI, but not totally outside the realm of telenovela reality. And I believe the only person to blame was Lili, in her cocaine-induced stupor (the cocaine courtesy of Babs). Hence the life in exile for her (Babs probably took "credit" for keeping her out of the slammer).
I agree with Silverfox--there has been a remarkable lack of curiosity among the Elizalde children not only about Babs' family, but also the death of their mother.
I think Lili is gonna rock at mud wrestling!
Jane
My recollection was that Monserrat's death was declared a homicide by the first detective on the scene, without a shred of CSI, but not totally outside the realm of telenovela reality. And I believe the only person to blame was Lili, in her cocaine-induced stupor (the cocaine courtesy of Babs). Hence the life in exile for her (Babs probably took "credit" for keeping her out of the slammer).
I agree with Silverfox--there has been a remarkable lack of curiosity among the Elizalde children not only about Babs' family, but also the death of their mother.
I think Lili is gonna rock at mud wrestling!
Jane
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 2:17:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 2:17:00 AM EDT
Ann in Brooklyn...I've always enjoyed your "all-caps" writing style. For me it's like LARGE PRINT...very easy to read. I think Carlos was just teasing you, not complaining.
I don't think Lil was actually in a cocaine stupor when she was accused. Barb just planted the drugs in her room. She didn't take them. She was just overwrought at her mother's death, and realizing that Barb did it. She was screaming, and no one listened to her. Then they brought in a young doctor (I think it was our same Dr. Obregon), who was already on Bab's payroll, and he examined Montserrat, pronounced it murder, and he and Barb engineered Lil's commital.
I think the children at the time were not told that Lil had anything to do with it, just that Montserrat died of an asthma attack and Lil was commited for being crazy and on drugs. But just recently, I seem to remember Gonzalo telling Fernanda the details of what "really happened" in a car ride, shortly after Fer came back from her overseas school.
I think the children at the time were not told that Lil had anything to do with it, just that Montserrat died of an asthma attack and Lil was commited for being crazy and on drugs. But just recently, I seem to remember Gonzalo telling Fernanda the details of what "really happened" in a car ride, shortly after Fer came back from her overseas school.
Or more precisely, I think the children were told at the time that Montserrat died of an asthma attack brought on by finding out that Liliana was using drugs (since Montserrat was super conservative and proper).
Hombre: yes, I believe you've got it correctly. Gonzo did phrase it that way a couple of weeks ago to Fer, and I do remember the details that way, myself. Thanks for clarifying them for us. So many things have happened over such a few number of weeks already that stuff just gets jumbled up.
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Jane: with fifteen years of pent up anxiety and frustration I'd think Lili would be a fierce little fighter of a female.
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NJSue: ITA and I am extremely interested in seeing how Nanda manages to avoid sleeping with Dam again now that he's home.
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NJSue: ITA and I am extremely interested in seeing how Nanda manages to avoid sleeping with Dam again now that he's home.
Thanks so much for the great (as usual) recap, Jardinera. Especially for the translation of the no-real-information letter. I thought that I had missed something while watching, but no, there was nothing there to miss.
Everyone's comments have pretty much covered whatever I might have said myself. I do want to say that I find Denia's character a hoot- she is such a pest, gossip, live wire, loose cannon, and above all hottie. Love her curly hair and curves!
Looking forward to dinner!
Everyone's comments have pretty much covered whatever I might have said myself. I do want to say that I find Denia's character a hoot- she is such a pest, gossip, live wire, loose cannon, and above all hottie. Love her curly hair and curves!
Looking forward to dinner!
Thanks Jardinera for a great recap as usual! I'm so glad you posted the whole letter, I was not "getting it" because of Soledad's crying.
Poor Lili, I'm so glad she's out of the looney bin, but how the heck is she going to mud-wrestle when she's not really aware of what's going on. I feel really bad for her. Hopefully Martina will take her to Dr. Young n' Hawt and he'll be able to help her.
Poor Lili, I'm so glad she's out of the looney bin, but how the heck is she going to mud-wrestle when she's not really aware of what's going on. I feel really bad for her. Hopefully Martina will take her to Dr. Young n' Hawt and he'll be able to help her.
I thought the advances showed Martina sneaking Lil out of the Mud Hut.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 11:49:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 11:49:00 AM EDT
Lucha Lili? You bet! She's spent 15 years wrestling assylum goons - oops, orderlies - who double-teamed her. Taking on one skinny chick should be a cinch.
And how will Fernanda avoid Damian's intentions tonight? Well, remember that she wasn't in the mood on her wedding night because she had just learned that her nana died and her husband covered it. I suspect that tonight's dinner will include other 'discussions' that are not conducive to marital bliss. Parhaps more conducive to getting beaned with a soup tureen.
And how will Fernanda avoid Damian's intentions tonight? Well, remember that she wasn't in the mood on her wedding night because she had just learned that her nana died and her husband covered it. I suspect that tonight's dinner will include other 'discussions' that are not conducive to marital bliss. Parhaps more conducive to getting beaned with a soup tureen.
There are really 2 secretos here. The one that Soledad knew about concerning Artemio Bravo's revenge, which isn't revealed to us. According to the letter, Lil knows it but doesn't know she knows it.
And the truth about how Monserrat really died that only Liliana knows at this time & of course Babs & Artemio.
I do remember a different kind of paper in that box that Soledad gave to Liliana, I think someone else mentioned that also. So I wonder what's on that & who is going to find it?
I sure wish Vladimir would wash his hair, don't care much for the greasy look.
I got nothing out of the letter so appreciate the translation.
And the truth about how Monserrat really died that only Liliana knows at this time & of course Babs & Artemio.
I do remember a different kind of paper in that box that Soledad gave to Liliana, I think someone else mentioned that also. So I wonder what's on that & who is going to find it?
I sure wish Vladimir would wash his hair, don't care much for the greasy look.
I got nothing out of the letter so appreciate the translation.
Variopinta, I do remember another piece of paper in that box - but I also remember Ciro looking at it dismissively. I got the impression that it was a decoy. (It doesn't make sense to hide a completely-empty box - something that annoyed me about the mystery box in FELS that was hidden in the Pablito's room.)
I do find all-lowercase much easier on the eyes than all-caps. Judy, if the words are too small on your screen, try doing a Ctrl-Plus sign. You can do it a few times to make things bigger and bigger. (Ctrl-hyphen to make them small again.)
I assume that something will happen at the dinner that will be so disruptive that either Damian, or Fernanda will have to leave the house, phew, consummation avoided again.
Or, if as we see in the avances is true and Martina sneaks Lili out of the bar, maybe she takes Lili to the house. Again, Fer will be too preoccupied for her new husband.
I do find all-lowercase much easier on the eyes than all-caps. Judy, if the words are too small on your screen, try doing a Ctrl-Plus sign. You can do it a few times to make things bigger and bigger. (Ctrl-hyphen to make them small again.)
I assume that something will happen at the dinner that will be so disruptive that either Damian, or Fernanda will have to leave the house, phew, consummation avoided again.
Or, if as we see in the avances is true and Martina sneaks Lili out of the bar, maybe she takes Lili to the house. Again, Fer will be too preoccupied for her new husband.
...and in defense of the nurses, Dr. O isn't their doctor - they just met him and he's acting like a total bozo. I bet they're much more respectful to their hospital's own doctors!
I've always thought of the greased comb-back as an advertisement of verility. It announces to everyone, "Look! My hairline has not receded. I'm still a young buck, ready to charge."
Of course, not coming from that culture, I think it looks silly, or worse. And I think a naturally bald head looks very sexy. My husband still has a full head of hair, but I won't kick him out of bed for eating crackers.
Of course, not coming from that culture, I think it looks silly, or worse. And I think a naturally bald head looks very sexy. My husband still has a full head of hair, but I won't kick him out of bed for eating crackers.
In the very first chapter of the novela, Artemio tells Barbara that Soledad is the only person alive who knows of his existence, but he doesn't explain how she knows this, or what his connection to Soledad is. I think Lil later overhears Barbara talking to Artemio on the phone and hears his name, so maybe that is what she knows but wouldn't understand the significance of, even if she were more lucid.
We also don't know how Barbara got connected with Artemio in the first place but somehow he knows that she killed her mother. Barbara commented that her mother deserved to be killed and I suspect that might have something to do with Aurora's birth.
So just like Fr/eduardo we have a lot to find out and that's why I'm so into this novela.
Jardinera, just like many others I would have been lost without your translation of the letter. Between the sniffling, sobbing and dabbing at her nose, I didn't understand anything Soledad was saying. Great recap.
J.J.
We also don't know how Barbara got connected with Artemio in the first place but somehow he knows that she killed her mother. Barbara commented that her mother deserved to be killed and I suspect that might have something to do with Aurora's birth.
So just like Fr/eduardo we have a lot to find out and that's why I'm so into this novela.
Jardinera, just like many others I would have been lost without your translation of the letter. Between the sniffling, sobbing and dabbing at her nose, I didn't understand anything Soledad was saying. Great recap.
J.J.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 2:29:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 2:29:00 PM EDT
I don't think that gonzolo was able to tell Fernda the truth because he die not know. He and his wife had been upset with seeing her smoking and gonzo knew how upset she was, so when barb pinned the drugs on her, it caused her mother to react medically and the father, who already knew about the cigarettes, assumed she was doing the drugs as wello and he assummed that this caused the death of his wife??? Thoughts on this?
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 2:42:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 2:42:00 PM EDT
Hombre de Misterio's recollection of Montserrat's death/Lil's committal is also how I remember it. He was told that Montsy was murdered by Lil in a coke-induced psychosis or something, and being a gullible dolt he believed it.
I fell asleep watching and after I read the recap I had to go watch on youtube to see Lili all made up. A little Whatever Happened to Baby Jane. The other girls aren't wearing massive blue eyeshadow but they put in on Lili?
The close up on Pris going out the door with the ponytail made me think of Jeannie's naughty black haired cousin in the blue out fit (Barbara Eden in a black wig)who was always after Major Tony.
I agree about the dinner; so much build up could be a big let down.
The close up on Pris going out the door with the ponytail made me think of Jeannie's naughty black haired cousin in the blue out fit (Barbara Eden in a black wig)who was always after Major Tony.
I agree about the dinner; so much build up could be a big let down.
The multiple attempts by Eduardo to read the derned letter did make me think of FELS and the cofre. They sure know how to delay gratification in TNs!
Could someone let me know if I'm nuts or not. This is regarding the captions. It seems to me that the correctly functioning captions are ALL CAPS on the screen. This is the way they appear on Telemundo and without accent marks. When the captions started working again on MEPS, I remembered them being that way, ALL CAPS and working perfectly.
Then on Friday (I think) they went back to being upper and lower case letters and delayed. They seemed a lot like they were when we all wrote complaints to Univision.
Soledad's letter was particularly annoying because, as Melissa said, her sobbing recitation made it difficult to understand, and the captions were not much help - delayed and missing words. I'm not surprised Jardiniera had to listen 50 times! Thanks so much for your sacrifice!
The question is: did anyone else notice the peculiar thing that all caps captions are the good ones, and the upper and lower case ones are practically worthless?
Could someone let me know if I'm nuts or not. This is regarding the captions. It seems to me that the correctly functioning captions are ALL CAPS on the screen. This is the way they appear on Telemundo and without accent marks. When the captions started working again on MEPS, I remembered them being that way, ALL CAPS and working perfectly.
Then on Friday (I think) they went back to being upper and lower case letters and delayed. They seemed a lot like they were when we all wrote complaints to Univision.
Soledad's letter was particularly annoying because, as Melissa said, her sobbing recitation made it difficult to understand, and the captions were not much help - delayed and missing words. I'm not surprised Jardiniera had to listen 50 times! Thanks so much for your sacrifice!
The question is: did anyone else notice the peculiar thing that all caps captions are the good ones, and the upper and lower case ones are practically worthless?
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 5:23:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 5:23:00 PM EDT
Jardinera – thank you for the recap. I thought I didn’t understand what was in the letter, but your translation tells me I was pretty darned close.
One thing we need to remember about Liliana, and I wonder if the writers will ---
She has been locked up for 15 years. While her body has matured into an adult, her emotional maturity may well be stuck at teen-ager level due to her drugged state. We may be dealing with an immature person on many levels. Any psych majors in the group who have an opinion on this?
Am I the only person who thinks Lili looked ghastly after Martina’s make-up job to her face?
Gardenia makes me nervous. She is going to cause Ed problems. I can just tell. I don’t trust her. She will read, see, or overhear something she is not supposed to read, see, or overhear and blab it all over the state.
Wasn’t the ‘other’ piece of paper the one where Lili wrote down Artemio Bravo’s phone number from the Caller ID, or something like that?
One thing we need to remember about Liliana, and I wonder if the writers will ---
She has been locked up for 15 years. While her body has matured into an adult, her emotional maturity may well be stuck at teen-ager level due to her drugged state. We may be dealing with an immature person on many levels. Any psych majors in the group who have an opinion on this?
Am I the only person who thinks Lili looked ghastly after Martina’s make-up job to her face?
Gardenia makes me nervous. She is going to cause Ed problems. I can just tell. I don’t trust her. She will read, see, or overhear something she is not supposed to read, see, or overhear and blab it all over the state.
Wasn’t the ‘other’ piece of paper the one where Lili wrote down Artemio Bravo’s phone number from the Caller ID, or something like that?
Thanks Jardinera for a terrific recap that is attracting lots of terrific comments. Here's my take on a couple:
1)Re: "People in México have two last names, the first one is the first last name of their father and the second one is the first last name of their mother, for women, this is their maiden name and when they get married they adopt the first last name of their husband and lose their second last name."
I still don't understand the last name sequence even after the detailed explanation and example. My confusion is that in the USA a person has a first name, a middle name and a last name. I'm sure I could understand it better if it were in terms that I could relate to. I even tried to diagram it to see if it amounted to "the fathers last name becomes the childs middle name. The mother's maiden name becomes the childs last name.
That model didn't seem to explain the difference in Fr/Ed and Soledads names.
2)I see that the guys find Denia's hair sexy. I think it makes her look wild (like her actions) and that she'd look better with half that length.
3) Fortunately today doctor-nurse relationships are built on a professional mutual respect. Although the physician is still considered the captain of the ship, As I rule I think the only time they exploit (aka dramatize) their positions are in the telenovelas and soap operas.
1)Re: "People in México have two last names, the first one is the first last name of their father and the second one is the first last name of their mother, for women, this is their maiden name and when they get married they adopt the first last name of their husband and lose their second last name."
I still don't understand the last name sequence even after the detailed explanation and example. My confusion is that in the USA a person has a first name, a middle name and a last name. I'm sure I could understand it better if it were in terms that I could relate to. I even tried to diagram it to see if it amounted to "the fathers last name becomes the childs middle name. The mother's maiden name becomes the childs last name.
That model didn't seem to explain the difference in Fr/Ed and Soledads names.
2)I see that the guys find Denia's hair sexy. I think it makes her look wild (like her actions) and that she'd look better with half that length.
3) Fortunately today doctor-nurse relationships are built on a professional mutual respect. Although the physician is still considered the captain of the ship, As I rule I think the only time they exploit (aka dramatize) their positions are in the telenovelas and soap operas.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 5:58:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 5:58:00 PM EDT
Gardenia is the one who wrote down the number from the caller ID/redial. I don't see how that would have found its way into the box that was in Lili's room.
But I don't know whatever happened to that piece of paper, either, nor why the Hyena never noticed it was missing from her appointment book (or was it her address book, well, something with lots of tabbed pages where you'd think it would be easy to see that something is missing).
Whatever that first, non-hidden paper was that Lili and Ciro found in the box, he seemed to think it was unimportant. (And it was bigger than Gardenia's scrap of paper.)
If I wanted to hide super-secret papers under the false bottom in a box, I'd put something mildly-secret in the box (like a fake family recipe) so that a casual snooper would think they had already found the payload and not look any further. I think that was the purpose of that first piece of paper.
But I don't know whatever happened to that piece of paper, either, nor why the Hyena never noticed it was missing from her appointment book (or was it her address book, well, something with lots of tabbed pages where you'd think it would be easy to see that something is missing).
Whatever that first, non-hidden paper was that Lili and Ciro found in the box, he seemed to think it was unimportant. (And it was bigger than Gardenia's scrap of paper.)
If I wanted to hide super-secret papers under the false bottom in a box, I'd put something mildly-secret in the box (like a fake family recipe) so that a casual snooper would think they had already found the payload and not look any further. I think that was the purpose of that first piece of paper.
J.J.: I think there's some connection between Aurora and Barb. Barb could be her mother or her sister. But, it's hard to imagine Barb as someone's mother since she's the type who would give birth and then eat her young.
Also, what are the odds of your wayward stepson finding a girl on the side of the road, bringing her home and finding out she's related to your step-mother? Slim to nil, I'd say except in Novelaland.
Also, what are the odds of your wayward stepson finding a girl on the side of the road, bringing her home and finding out she's related to your step-mother? Slim to nil, I'd say except in Novelaland.
Thanks for the recap Jardinera. I really appreciate your efforts and especially listening to the letter so many times. I just couldn't understand her b/c of all the coughing.
Thanks to all of you who remembered what was going on regarding who knows what and the secret. So while Fr/Ed knew Barb killed MomRat, he didn't know Lil was in the sanitarium for it.
Thanks to all of you who remembered what was going on regarding who knows what and the secret. So while Fr/Ed knew Barb killed MomRat, he didn't know Lil was in the sanitarium for it.
Wow, Gardenia is wound up tight, needy and immature! She lost me when she tried to eavesdrop on Ed/Fr. He hasn't been very warm to her in giving her special attention. But, it would've been easier for Ed/Fr to let her leave town to find a job. Instead, he gave her a really great paying job, living in a really great home, working for a really great looking guy, and asking her to do very little--except mind her own business and keep his private...
jb
jb
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 8:45:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 8:45:00 PM EDT
Thanks, jardinara for a great recap.
Didn't Eduardo's father die before he was born? Could Artemio Bravo be Ed's real father??
Having taught psychology, I would think that since Lili has been shut up since she was a teenager, drugged, and living in a state of fear with no real contact with the outside world, and not receiving any psychotherapy, she would have missed out on normal young adult/adult development. I also think that it would take a long time for her to be able to function as an autonomous person. But, on the other hand, she had been a strong and rebellious personality, rather than a passive one, and that would work to her advantage. But this is a TN, and it could go any way.
NJ SUE --off to watch IN THERAPY on HBO.
Didn't Eduardo's father die before he was born? Could Artemio Bravo be Ed's real father??
Having taught psychology, I would think that since Lili has been shut up since she was a teenager, drugged, and living in a state of fear with no real contact with the outside world, and not receiving any psychotherapy, she would have missed out on normal young adult/adult development. I also think that it would take a long time for her to be able to function as an autonomous person. But, on the other hand, she had been a strong and rebellious personality, rather than a passive one, and that would work to her advantage. But this is a TN, and it could go any way.
NJ SUE --off to watch IN THERAPY on HBO.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 8:48:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 8:48:00 PM EDT
Thank Jarocha. Glad to know Vlad used to be good at one time. Saw him in Guapos and Muchachita and he was muy mal. Someone else mentioned a 3rd TN and where he was bad as well.
NJ sue and Jardinera, agreed, that dinner better rock. It has had a long enough build up. Have to assume Camilo will be muy impactado when he sees someone else with Errika. Somewhere down the line there will have to be a horse riding showdown between Camilo and Fr/Ed.
rsk, that would be great if Lili gets a change to headline at the Mud Hut.
I think Lili was getting into the makeup. It's probably been a long time since she was made up. Lili just wants to have fun. :-)
The way Soledad was crying and coughing it is amazing the letter was still intact and not all smeared and unreadable.
JeffMN
NJ sue and Jardinera, agreed, that dinner better rock. It has had a long enough build up. Have to assume Camilo will be muy impactado when he sees someone else with Errika. Somewhere down the line there will have to be a horse riding showdown between Camilo and Fr/Ed.
rsk, that would be great if Lili gets a change to headline at the Mud Hut.
I think Lili was getting into the makeup. It's probably been a long time since she was made up. Lili just wants to have fun. :-)
The way Soledad was crying and coughing it is amazing the letter was still intact and not all smeared and unreadable.
JeffMN
Permalink posted by : Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 9:31:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 9:31:00 PM EDT
Pasofino, the odds are not great of meeting your mom that way, but stranger things have happened. A mom worked in the same place as the daughter she gave up for adoption and twin girls separated at birth met each other as I recall in school.
As they say, facts are stranger than novelas
As they say, facts are stranger than novelas
For everyone having caption problems, the networks and cable providers are trying to change to digital broadcasts and it is affecting the captions. All the deaf newsletters have complaints at the moment.
If you have a DVR, (especially Motorola) you can try to change the digital caption mode from "Automatic" to "primary" and that may help. I am pretty certain from how my captions have been appearing that the networks are in the process of the change from analog to digital (in addition to the other issues Univision has had in the past three weeks). I discovered on one network this afternoon that the "automatic" digital captions did not appear, but the "primary" mode did. Each cable provider may name them differently for DVR boxes.
We are all going to weep and moan for a while with this, folks. It could be worse; deaf people rely on good captions to get anything out of television. They are really experiencing a return to 1979 when there were no captions whatever outside of a few test markets.
Jardinera, I scanned the recap and you are up to your usual extraordinary standard, replete with fabulous humor and all the details in place. Thanks for this awesome job!
Jeanne
If you have a DVR, (especially Motorola) you can try to change the digital caption mode from "Automatic" to "primary" and that may help. I am pretty certain from how my captions have been appearing that the networks are in the process of the change from analog to digital (in addition to the other issues Univision has had in the past three weeks). I discovered on one network this afternoon that the "automatic" digital captions did not appear, but the "primary" mode did. Each cable provider may name them differently for DVR boxes.
We are all going to weep and moan for a while with this, folks. It could be worse; deaf people rely on good captions to get anything out of television. They are really experiencing a return to 1979 when there were no captions whatever outside of a few test markets.
Jardinera, I scanned the recap and you are up to your usual extraordinary standard, replete with fabulous humor and all the details in place. Thanks for this awesome job!
Jeanne
Variopinta, a few years ago I heard of a woman in Philadelphia whose baby was abducted at I believe eight days old. Five years later she was at a neighborhood child's birthday party, and she had a hunch about one of the guests. She combed the little girl's hair for her, saved the hair, got a DNA test, and it was her daughter!
I'm confused, how did Fr/Ed find out BOW kind Monty? I didn't think anyone but his mom knew and kept it to herself to save him? Did I miss something? If he knows this, why doesn't he say something to Marg and Jacinto? And did they ever tell him about Damian doing BOW? I thought that was all still unknown to him?
Thanks
Thanks
NJ Sue 0848. I don't think artemio could be Eddie's father because artemio and Gonzalo are brothers. That would mean that Nanda and Eddie are first cousins.
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 6, 2009 at 12:11:00 AM EDT
: Monday, April 6, 2009 at 12:11:00 AM EDT
novelera - the CCs/fonts are different on every TV in our house. I figured it was the software (?) in each TV that receives them, even those that are the same brand.
Pasofino, I definitely think Barbara is Aurora's mother. But I think there is some connection with her birth and the fact that Barbara killed her own mother "because she deserved it". Maybe Barbara's mother gave the baby away.
Fr/Ed doesn't know Monserrat was murdered; Now that Soledad is dead, nobody does except the murderess herself and Artemio. He does know about the Babs-Damian thing because Jacinto told him. That's one reason he hates Damian so much since he knows he's not worthy of Fernanda.
J.J.
Fr/Ed doesn't know Monserrat was murdered; Now that Soledad is dead, nobody does except the murderess herself and Artemio. He does know about the Babs-Damian thing because Jacinto told him. That's one reason he hates Damian so much since he knows he's not worthy of Fernanda.
J.J.
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 6, 2009 at 8:23:00 AM EDT
: Monday, April 6, 2009 at 8:23:00 AM EDT
JJ/NJSue/Variopinta/Doris/Ann/jb/Schoolmarm/novelera/Karen/DoradoDave/Melissa, et al:
After all the build up to that letter, I was just as frustrated as the rest of you to see that it left us with more questions than answers --but then, at this point in a 9 month-long telenovela I have to say, "Tsk, tsk, tsk!" Y'all know that would've been too easy and would have broken one of Silverfox's telenovela rules.
>!8>/
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Pasofino: "it's hard to imagine Barb as someone's mother since she's the type who would give birth and then eat her young" --LOL! I agree and maybe that's the reason Aurora's steered clear of her up to now, if they are mother/daughter. Sixth sense or something?
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Molly: I'm thinking that Ed knows Lil's in the nuthouse for causing the death of her mother BOW actually caused, and at this point he doesn't know how to prove it yet. The second secret must have to do with Artemio Bravo but Lili had no idea obviously what it meant to have been listening to him on the other line that one time, and that would lead to Ed unraveling the rest, i.e., why he was sent away --to keep Soledad quiet about all sorts of things that might lead to all sorts of revelations over these past fifteen years about Artemio Bravo still being alive and wanting/planning his revenge on Gonzo and family.
After all the build up to that letter, I was just as frustrated as the rest of you to see that it left us with more questions than answers --but then, at this point in a 9 month-long telenovela I have to say, "Tsk, tsk, tsk!" Y'all know that would've been too easy and would have broken one of Silverfox's telenovela rules.
>!8>/
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Pasofino: "it's hard to imagine Barb as someone's mother since she's the type who would give birth and then eat her young" --LOL! I agree and maybe that's the reason Aurora's steered clear of her up to now, if they are mother/daughter. Sixth sense or something?
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Molly: I'm thinking that Ed knows Lil's in the nuthouse for causing the death of her mother BOW actually caused, and at this point he doesn't know how to prove it yet. The second secret must have to do with Artemio Bravo but Lili had no idea obviously what it meant to have been listening to him on the other line that one time, and that would lead to Ed unraveling the rest, i.e., why he was sent away --to keep Soledad quiet about all sorts of things that might lead to all sorts of revelations over these past fifteen years about Artemio Bravo still being alive and wanting/planning his revenge on Gonzo and family.
Molly: Oops! Now I'm just as confused after slogging through that mental exercise of a non-explanation!!
Very informative recap Jardinera. Thanks for recaping the letter. I had no idea what she was saying so it really helped. Lili looks like a doll in that makeup. Ack!
Pasofino, the Art and Gonzo connection is in one of the synopsis posted at the start of MEPS. From comments I have seen, some people do not want to know anything about what is in them, think of them as spoilers. Others like to read them. I read them, but had to look through all three to find the reference.
JeffMN
JeffMN
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 6, 2009 at 9:50:00 AM EDT
: Monday, April 6, 2009 at 9:50:00 AM EDT
I wouldn't take what's in that synopsis too seriously. I remember the synopsis for FELS said that Franco would date an older woman, or that Oscar would pay an older woman to date Franco, or something... nothing like that ever happened.
JJ - that's brilliant, I bet you're right about the reason Babs/Rebecca killed her own mother! I never thought of it, but of course it's possible that Babs once had a human side and didn't want Aurora to be given away (I'm still clinging to the idea of Aurora being her sister).
Or maybe her mother gave BOTH of them away to some unsavory character who paid Dominga to care for them until they were old enough to be "useful."
JJ - that's brilliant, I bet you're right about the reason Babs/Rebecca killed her own mother! I never thought of it, but of course it's possible that Babs once had a human side and didn't want Aurora to be given away (I'm still clinging to the idea of Aurora being her sister).
Or maybe her mother gave BOTH of them away to some unsavory character who paid Dominga to care for them until they were old enough to be "useful."
Hi all:
Regarding the issue of what Ed knows: I don't believe Ed has yet learned that Babs killed the mom. I think that is part of the secret he is to look for. I'm also not sure if he knows that Babs convinced Glonzo that Lili was responsible for her death. All he knows is from the letter and from Soledad's dying words is that Lili was the "last/latest" victim of some evil plot - but it was not clear exactly how she was a victim.
As for Artemio / Gonzo being brothers, I got that impression when we learned from the credits that the same actor was playing both parts - I don't think of that as a spoiler - the same actor playing two roles is usually an indication of the "twins separated at birth" scenario common to telenovela plots - although I guess it doesn't have to be so.
Regarding the issue of what Ed knows: I don't believe Ed has yet learned that Babs killed the mom. I think that is part of the secret he is to look for. I'm also not sure if he knows that Babs convinced Glonzo that Lili was responsible for her death. All he knows is from the letter and from Soledad's dying words is that Lili was the "last/latest" victim of some evil plot - but it was not clear exactly how she was a victim.
As for Artemio / Gonzo being brothers, I got that impression when we learned from the credits that the same actor was playing both parts - I don't think of that as a spoiler - the same actor playing two roles is usually an indication of the "twins separated at birth" scenario common to telenovela plots - although I guess it doesn't have to be so.
Regarding SAP audio track:
I made the comment earlier that I couldn't get Spanish on the SAP audio track for quite some time.
I had originally setup my Time-Warner cable box and options about 4 years ago when I got my first HD set. I thought I had turned SAP ON. I hadn't checked the settings since that time.
So, I decided to go back and found that the screens for selecting the SAP audio track were different than I remembered and were set to give English on the SAP track.
So, I changed to Spanish. So, good news - bad news. The good news is that I found Spanish audio on all Showtime channels. I found either English or "blank-empty" audio channels on HBO, Starz and TMC. I have not checked all the other channels (ie Bravo, etc), but a cursory run through about a dozen channels, including some free cable movie channels only gave English audio.
For whatever it's worth, on Time-Warner, I hit the "Settings" button. Then scroll to "Audio/SAP". Under analog - I turn "ON". Under digital, I am given choice of English or Spanish and select Spanish.
Hope this benefits someone.
Silverfox
I made the comment earlier that I couldn't get Spanish on the SAP audio track for quite some time.
I had originally setup my Time-Warner cable box and options about 4 years ago when I got my first HD set. I thought I had turned SAP ON. I hadn't checked the settings since that time.
So, I decided to go back and found that the screens for selecting the SAP audio track were different than I remembered and were set to give English on the SAP track.
So, I changed to Spanish. So, good news - bad news. The good news is that I found Spanish audio on all Showtime channels. I found either English or "blank-empty" audio channels on HBO, Starz and TMC. I have not checked all the other channels (ie Bravo, etc), but a cursory run through about a dozen channels, including some free cable movie channels only gave English audio.
For whatever it's worth, on Time-Warner, I hit the "Settings" button. Then scroll to "Audio/SAP". Under analog - I turn "ON". Under digital, I am given choice of English or Spanish and select Spanish.
Hope this benefits someone.
Silverfox
Julie Said:
"I remember the synopsis for FELS said that Franco would date an older woman, or that Oscar would pay an older woman to date Franco, or something... nothing like that ever happened."
Julie, That did not happen in Fuego En La Sangre but it happened in Pasion De gavilanes. I saw that in the dvd. Franco marries this crazy rich lady after several unsuccessful dates set up by Oscar.
He just gave in When Jimena dumped him. The old lady dies of heart failure from dancing on top of the table during the reception. He then inherits the hacienda and ebcomes rich and takes the other bro. in.
Ibarramedia
"I remember the synopsis for FELS said that Franco would date an older woman, or that Oscar would pay an older woman to date Franco, or something... nothing like that ever happened."
Julie, That did not happen in Fuego En La Sangre but it happened in Pasion De gavilanes. I saw that in the dvd. Franco marries this crazy rich lady after several unsuccessful dates set up by Oscar.
He just gave in When Jimena dumped him. The old lady dies of heart failure from dancing on top of the table during the reception. He then inherits the hacienda and ebcomes rich and takes the other bro. in.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 6, 2009 at 11:23:00 AM EDT
: Monday, April 6, 2009 at 11:23:00 AM EDT
Ibarramedia, that is hysterical! Or awful. I'm not sure. :) So, that's how that got into the FELS synopsis. I wondered. Thanks!
As I recall from one synopsis Artemio & Gonzalo are half brothers.
In the list of characters Aurora is listed as Aurora Elizalde Greco.
Wouldn't that mean that her father is an Elizalde (but which Elizalde) & her mother a Greco, which we have about figured out. But I'm sure they will throw us a curve with that one, since it's too easy.
In the list of characters Aurora is listed as Aurora Elizalde Greco.
Wouldn't that mean that her father is an Elizalde (but which Elizalde) & her mother a Greco, which we have about figured out. But I'm sure they will throw us a curve with that one, since it's too easy.
Well, Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, so you DEFINITELY take that with a grain of salt. But I thought it was reasonable to trust the synopses on Esmas.com. :-)
Thanks everyone! As confusing as it all is, I think I am once again clear on what we have actually seen and what is still spectulation.
It was to early and exciting to get any real information. I guess because this one does move along so quickly we were all hopeful something meaty would get told.
I am bothered that Fr/Ed knows about Damian and BOW and is still not showing any doubt about who Nanda is. You would think he would want to help her even if he doesn't reveal who he is. I guess I have cut Fr/Ed a break because I am really into Alborada right now, although Luis is kind of being an idiot to. Guess they have to before they get to the happy part.
It was to early and exciting to get any real information. I guess because this one does move along so quickly we were all hopeful something meaty would get told.
I am bothered that Fr/Ed knows about Damian and BOW and is still not showing any doubt about who Nanda is. You would think he would want to help her even if he doesn't reveal who he is. I guess I have cut Fr/Ed a break because I am really into Alborada right now, although Luis is kind of being an idiot to. Guess they have to before they get to the happy part.
Jardinera, thank you. Your observations are so true! so funny! What a riot.
I personally was wondering how is it that the 'real' doctor AND one nurse felt that taking the dying man's pulse was somehow prolonging his life! That was funnie. But wait...maybe viewers were not suppose to notice that. Okey. Send an order blank for the beanie.
I personally was wondering how is it that the 'real' doctor AND one nurse felt that taking the dying man's pulse was somehow prolonging his life! That was funnie. But wait...maybe viewers were not suppose to notice that. Okey. Send an order blank for the beanie.
Hi Variopinta: Hmmm... the list of characters given at telenovela world gives Aurora's full name as:
Aurora Mendoza Sánchez
The mother's maiden name being the same as the name that Barbara used to transfer all of the Milk money to her Cayman Islands bank account. Still doesn't say whether they are mom or sister, but they have the same maiden mother's name.
Where did you get the name you gave??
Aurora Mendoza Sánchez
The mother's maiden name being the same as the name that Barbara used to transfer all of the Milk money to her Cayman Islands bank account. Still doesn't say whether they are mom or sister, but they have the same maiden mother's name.
Where did you get the name you gave??
Jardinera, thanks for another super recap and for the detailed letter translation.
I'm glad to see that Lili's not totally freaked out by her new environment. She seems to enjoy rediscovering makeup, even if she is a little heavy-handed with that sparkly blue eyeshadow.
La Paloma
I'm glad to see that Lili's not totally freaked out by her new environment. She seems to enjoy rediscovering makeup, even if she is a little heavy-handed with that sparkly blue eyeshadow.
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 6, 2009 at 12:41:00 PM EDT
: Monday, April 6, 2009 at 12:41:00 PM EDT
My synopsis & cast of characters is wikipedia. I can't find the one from Televisa.
It occurred to me later that Babs real name is Rebeca Sanchez, so Silverfox's name for Aurora makes more sense.
It occurred to me later that Babs real name is Rebeca Sanchez, so Silverfox's name for Aurora makes more sense.
Wow, what a letter! What a translation Jardinera! That's really got me into the story now. With maybe teeny-tiny clues in chess pieces(?) and codes too? Yep! My cup of tea. I'm ready for dinner.
I just checked wikipedia, Aurora's name has been corrected to Aurora Mendoza Sánchez. I printed mine before the TN started.
I can completely understand Freduardo's attitude toward Nanda. He never stopped loving her. Fifteen years of rejection weighs heavily. You have to find some kind of coping mechanism. So first you go to sour grapes ('she's not that great anyway') and soon that turns into self-preservation-inspired bitterness. Bitterness hurts less than rejection. He'll come around.
OT - PaulH - Martin just died in Alborada, sooooo sad! I'm watching on the weekend in blocks. Love it! Thank you for telling me about it.
Paula: "Fifteen years of rejection weighs heavily."
I don't know if the years of rejection weighed too heavily. When Fr/Ed got here, he had a ring and was planning to marry Nanda. Now, when the facts seemingly matched and verified those 15 years, yep, for sure the rest of what you said. :-)
JeffMN
I don't know if the years of rejection weighed too heavily. When Fr/Ed got here, he had a ring and was planning to marry Nanda. Now, when the facts seemingly matched and verified those 15 years, yep, for sure the rest of what you said. :-)
JeffMN
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 6, 2009 at 1:48:00 PM EDT
: Monday, April 6, 2009 at 1:48:00 PM EDT
Yikes! That's a spoiler for me, Molly. I've only watched two DVD's of Alborada so far and Martin is fine. I am HEARTBROKEN. He's so cute. Dang. Well, that eliminates one rival.
On top of everything else it is cold, damp and we've even had a little snow here in glorious Ohio. Color me BLUE.
On top of everything else it is cold, damp and we've even had a little snow here in glorious Ohio. Color me BLUE.
Oh JudyB, I am SO SORRY! I didn't even think about that. Mia Culpa! Dang it. I will be more careful in the future. I shouldn't assume just because I am new to Novella's other aren't out there watching older shows as well. Ack! I feel awful. I won't say anymore I promise.
Jeff, you're right. That does shoot a big gaping hole in my theory. I wonder if beanie effects extend to blog comments as well?
Jardinera: Stellar recap. Your translating the entire letter was simply amazing. Thank you for making things clear all the way around.
Great comments over the weekend and today. Loved Judy's about Damian: "And that icky mustache, who knows where it's been!?" Hilarious :)
Molly: "The close up on Pris going out the door with the ponytail made me think of Jeannie's naughty black haired cousin in the blue out fit (Barbara Eden in a black wig)who was always after Major Tony." Perfect and spot on!
Diana in MA
Great comments over the weekend and today. Loved Judy's about Damian: "And that icky mustache, who knows where it's been!?" Hilarious :)
Molly: "The close up on Pris going out the door with the ponytail made me think of Jeannie's naughty black haired cousin in the blue out fit (Barbara Eden in a black wig)who was always after Major Tony." Perfect and spot on!
Diana in MA
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 6, 2009 at 2:16:00 PM EDT
: Monday, April 6, 2009 at 2:16:00 PM EDT
OT: I'm just recalling trivia from surfing to find out what those other options are when selecting CC. Found T1 and T2 are text only - dah moment.
But also read that TVs are being sold with capability for SEVERAL languages options, French, Italian, German, even serylic (sp?). But the American tv manufacturers limit the options to 2 or 3 for our selection.
But also read that TVs are being sold with capability for SEVERAL languages options, French, Italian, German, even serylic (sp?). But the American tv manufacturers limit the options to 2 or 3 for our selection.
Bonney, I too thought it was weird that the doctor and nurse were wasting time taking a pulse. The guy is connected to a monitor! They could have at least been getting out the paddles while they talked, or something a little more believable.
OT:
Guillermo Garcia Cantu (Fernando Escandon) has a blog.
http://guillermogarciacantu.blogspot.com/
Here is Juan's incidental song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUamHUtOVvA
Ibarramedia
Guillermo Garcia Cantu (Fernando Escandon) has a blog.
http://guillermogarciacantu.blogspot.com/
Here is Juan's incidental song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUamHUtOVvA
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 6, 2009 at 2:39:00 PM EDT
: Monday, April 6, 2009 at 2:39:00 PM EDT
Julia I thought the same thing! Duh, he's hooked up to a machine that monitors that stuff and you're taking his pulse! Oh sorry, beanie slippage. All better now. Thanks Ibarramedia for the link. I'd like to see our buddy Fernando in something else. He must have done a good job if we hated him so much!
Yes, Franco did have a thought bubble that he wants to demonstrate to Fern that she means nothing to him. But he won't get any revenge out of that unless she knows who he is. So maybe he will tease her with hints }-|
Good job Ibarramedia, Fernando Escandon has a blog. Fantastic. Glancing at the pics, he can put on different looks. Looks pretty distinguished with the grey hair. Makes me wonder if I have seen him in other shows and not realized it. Even has a picture of him dressed as a woman! Of course, has a gun in his hand point it at someone. That's our Feonando! :-)
Paula: I don't think there was much beanie slippage on your part. Rereading your comment, I think his coping mechanism for 15 years was that he believed she still loved him (and she does!), but then he got down to Mexico and oh.. oh.. Reality Check!! Bummer dude. Now he's on to all of your other coping mechanisms.
JeffMN
Paula: I don't think there was much beanie slippage on your part. Rereading your comment, I think his coping mechanism for 15 years was that he believed she still loved him (and she does!), but then he got down to Mexico and oh.. oh.. Reality Check!! Bummer dude. Now he's on to all of your other coping mechanisms.
JeffMN
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 6, 2009 at 3:02:00 PM EDT
: Monday, April 6, 2009 at 3:02:00 PM EDT
When you think about it, the whole concept of trying to show someone they mean nothing to you is pretty funny. Bravo, Eduardo. Who are you trying to convince?? ;-)
I'm enjoying the comedy motif of Gardenia an essential character. I prefer this over the old insertion of a funny dressed clownish figure. Gardenia with her wild locks is precocious and she has got to be a seventeen year old; not understanding "I'm busy". I didn't think Franco was mean, just expressing exasperation. And Gardenia did not seem hurt by his treatment.
Yes Julie, that's what I said about Erroika's plan to take EF as her dinner guest. We can only hope she remains firm in her 'giving up Cad'. Plus, EdFr is busy defining his own goals so he really is not emotionally ready to save her from herself.
Oh Gosh Molly...now I feel bad for making you feel bad (guys, do you understand how we women are now?)...so mea culpa mea maxima culpa....AND I'm over it now. Weather here still sucks but I've moved on, Molly. Thanks though for caring.
JudyB and Molly, now we're all ready to ah.hhh..,smile and comfort you both with a group hug; cause that is how women are...except I'm LOL right now.
Julie, There was one brief moment when Pris was needling Barbara about not having children or a maternal instinct, when Babs seemed to have a flicker of sadness or wistfulness on her face. Or maybe I imagined it. But if something traumatic happened to her, it could account for her becoming a diabolical and unfeeling person, just out for herself. Not that I'm looking for excuses for her, she's a villain I love to hate.
J.J.
J.J.
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 6, 2009 at 4:02:00 PM EDT
: Monday, April 6, 2009 at 4:02:00 PM EDT
Oh JudyB you can't feel bad, I'm the one who let the cat out of the bag. I hate spoilers, and I don't read the last page of books. My son always gives everything away. I had to read ahead of him in the Harry Potter books so he couldn't ruin for me. If I don't want to know how a movie ends, I go with him or before him!
Bonnie, I don't blame you for laughing it is funny, but I am truly very sorry. And its a good reminder to be careful what you say out here.
Bonnie, I don't blame you for laughing it is funny, but I am truly very sorry. And its a good reminder to be careful what you say out here.
I predict that Barb is evil thru-n-thru, like Feonando. I suspect that she killed her parents because they got in her way, and that Aurora is the daughter that either she sent adrift on the iceberg, or that she turned over to someone to settle an old debt. We have not seen anything redeemable in Barb, no hint of humanity, so the story with her family probably reflects that.
Ok. all you TN veterans...does there have to be a character in all TN's that is the comic relief i.e. Quintina or Gardenia? I don't mind comedy like Gardenia because she's kind of cute and perky but please no more Quintina.
Gardenia Is cute, spunky and sexy! Ay Dios mio. :) Those long curly locks and the tight fitting jeans.
Ooh la la.
Ibarramedia
Ooh la la.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 6, 2009 at 5:33:00 PM EDT
: Monday, April 6, 2009 at 5:33:00 PM EDT
Checked out Cantu's blog. With the silver hair and beard he is hot! Also the younger pic with the long hair. Makes me forget about Feo and want to see him in another role.
Hi there---I'm late to the party due to my own personal telenovela. Thanks , Jardinera for all the time it must have taken to figure out what the bawling, sniffling , snorting Soledad was conveying in that letter...which was...nada. I am still very confused about who knows what. I guess Soledad never learned that Barbie was working for Artemio, verdad ? So the only one who has any knowledge of Artemio's involvement with Babs is Lili who picked up the receiver and heard him talking to Baba....a nameless , faceless hombre....or did Lili hear Babs say his name on the phone ???? So , Freduardo must talk to Lili to get the Artemio piece of the puzzle. I guess Aurora is Bab's daughter , but I think Babs willingly gave her away because if the baby had been taken from her she probably would have been looking for a daughter substitute all these years and we all saw that she had no use for Lili or Nanda. Molly and Judyb~~So glad that you are both enjoying Alborada...It's my fav. I could watch it over and over. It's also my fav Fernando look....with long locks , beard, mustache, and period costumes. Next, you must watch Amor Real. I like Fernando's look in that one less, but it's a great story and there are mucho love scenes and beautiful costumes. Candy's uncle in Tontas plays a dastardly villain , and Chantal Andere is a nasty piece of work.
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 6, 2009 at 5:47:00 PM EDT
: Monday, April 6, 2009 at 5:47:00 PM EDT
Susanlynn, my only complaint so far with Alborada is they don't seem to bathe. Guess I was spoiled by FELS. I do love the long hair, some men can pull that off beautifully!
Connie, I have a girlfriend whose hair grows out of her head like that. Have no idea if Gardenia's is real. But my friend, back when we were young aspiring actresses in college, was told to lose the perm. Could have heard a pin drop in the room! LOL!
Molly~~~I hope this isn't a spoiler, but I remember one memorable bath that Luis took in hos bedroom....and there were a lot of chamberpot scenes...and a scene of Diego retching. Now, if you want bathing scenes, you've got to check out Amor Real...lots and lots of bathtub scenes in that one. The actors and actresses were squekyclean. Each novela seems to have its own unique ''theme'' ...bathing , peeing, baking, etc.
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 6, 2009 at 6:06:00 PM EDT
: Monday, April 6, 2009 at 6:06:00 PM EDT
About Gardenia's hair, my daughter has long, dark , naturally curly hair. When she was a little girl , people asked if I had curled it...yeah, right...I had time to curl a two-year-old's hair. Also, if I braided her hair, it got extra wild and curly like Gardenia's when it was combed out, so maybe the actress braids her hair when she goes to bed at night. ...that would make it fluff out wild in the country.
Permalink posted by : Monday, April 6, 2009 at 6:10:00 PM EDT
: Monday, April 6, 2009 at 6:10:00 PM EDT
I don't think her hair is quite so "big" in real life; I think there are extensions. But she's quite pretty without them, too.
That could well be the actresses natural hair. In other telenovelas, it's been straightened but that's a lot of work. My oldest daughter has hair like that, super-thick and curly, abundant. But when she wants to look professional (she was a financial analyst) she has it straightened. Doesn't last though.
Dang, Bonney Churros...I was really up for that group hug!
Dang, Bonney Churros...I was really up for that group hug!
Ahh Susanlynn, you have given me something to look forward to! And really them shelping the chamber pots all over, or Diego sitting there going, I could soooooo do without!
Luis taking a bath would be lovely! He wears waaaaaaaaay to many clothes.
Luis taking a bath would be lovely! He wears waaaaaaaaay to many clothes.
Molly~~~Here's another little incentive to keep watching : There are many scenes of a shirtless Luis toward the middle of this novela. Have mercy...spectacular.
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