Tuesday, October 06, 2009
Gancho Tuesday Oct. 6, '09 Kisses And Hugs, Breakups and Makeups, And Lalo's Enrolled In Macho School
Well, we start off with a real cliffhanger. Will Beto shoot? And if so, whom? Monita and Mauricio react in typical fashion. She's pugnacious and dares him to shoot but tells him he'll have to kill her first before getting her novio. Mau's trying to gradually talk Beto down, "using his words" as we've all been taught to do. Connie...well, she's mostly in self-protective mode. As usual. Clearly Beto hasn't thought this out very well , and when he finally "kidnaps" Mauricio, he doesn't know what to do next. Strategic planning is not his forte. What the heck, let's drive around 'till he thinks of something. Connie and Moni vow to follow in Connie's car. Strange bedfellows indeed.
Ah ha...perfect segue! " Strange bedfellows "and next we have Ximena and Lalo. Are they jogging or is he simply trying to run away from her? Not sure. She draws him close and asks him what he feels. That she need some breast augmentation. Undeterred she grabs his hand and asks again...what do you feel? That you're in need of a manicure. He DOES notice her nice skin and asks about her depilatory...because his skin is soooo rough, like a crocodile. Ximena, our eternal optimist, is encouraged that at last they've found an interest to share.
Okay. Strange bedfellows no. 3. Oscar and Jerry. Up to no good planting a letter outside Sal's door . Supposedly it's from Gaby and she wants Sal to meet her in 20 minutes in the photocopying room. If the lights are out, don't turn them on, JUST TAKE ME! Whew...who can resist an invitation like that?
Strange bedfellows no. 4. Gaby and Paula meet first to discuss the new noviazgo. Gee whiz, they've both worked at Sermeño Group for years and nary a nibble from Mauricio. Now Monita waltzes in and he's hooked. Clearly though, our two gals are entranced with the romance. But it reminds them of their own solitude. Taking it as a call to action, Paula vows to go looking for Christian and Gaby will go after Salvador. Anybody worried?
The evil Oscar/Jerry plan works to perfection. Sal, loins aflame we presume, charges into the photocopying room and gets down to work with mystery woman...who alas is his crazy wife Lorenza. Gaby barges in (at Jerry's instigation) and finds them getting busy...the preliminaries anyway. Strange bedfellows no. 5.
Sal is horrified to find out whom he's with...but not horrified enough. After Lorenza explains how she came to be there, they go into another clinch. Dang. I know I should be rooting for the sanctity of marriage, but I'm a Gaby fan. And for now, anyway, she wants our oh-so-married Sal.
Gaby consoles herself with cookies. (Brownies were always my drug of choice.) The first, because she's an idiot, the second, because she's immature, the third, because she's gullible (creida), the fourth because she's a glutton (tragona) and the fifth cookie...just because she wants to! (Ah the memories, sweets are a great anaesthetic and don't we gals all know it). Paula's going to need a little anaesthetic herself since she stakes out Christian's address, only to find him with what looks like two little kids and a wife! Ay yi yi.
After we break for ads (and I was tempted to head to the fridge) we come back to find the Moni/Connie alliance breaking down. Moni's shrieks are annoying the bejesus out of Connie (have to agree) and they bicker so much they actually lose sight of our fleeing hombres.
The boys are bickering too. Persnickety little Mau , who has gotten the gun away, is complaining that he didn't give Beto permission to "tutear" him. Naturally Beto pays no attention. He's more focused on the problems posed by Mau's handsome face and shampoo-commercial hair. Unfair competition! Mauricio's taken his job, his woman and his gun. What's a poor bestia like Beto to do? Oh nooo...Mauricio, clearly dropped on his beautiful head at birth, finally agrees to give Monita up if Beto beats him in the ring. Gaaaahhh...can you believe that? Well, sure. After all, we've got months to go. Sit back and relax.
Whoops...hard to relax when we see what's going on back at the office. Lorenza is leaving, but not without a few more kisses from Sal and some heartbreaking hugs...plus plans for dinner before she has to go back to the clinic! And Sal and Gaby are at daggers drawn because each one thinks the other is behind the wretched photocopying room trap. Have our would-be lovers learned nothing? Guess not.
Back to our other feuding couples. The gals finally catch up to our two lunkheads. Monita and Mau want to continue with their breakfast plans and Beto is only too happy to join them but no, it's just two to tango. Get your own. Well, Beto wanted birria *anyway and he drags a reluctant Connie along with him, promising that it's really good and doesn't give you gas, honest!
Our last scenario before the next round of ads is wee Ximena begging Jerry and Oscar to give Lalo some macho lessons. Oscar tries to explain that one "nace viril" (is born a "guy) but Xime reasons that sometimes lost dogs are found, everyone deserves a second chance and well, give it a try fellas! (did anybody follow that line of reasoning?) It isn't "mission impossible", she adds. Enter Lalo, stage left, whining and fussing. No one's on board with this idea except Ximensa.
More ads and then we're back in the coffee room with our sadder but wiser gals Paula and Gaby. Paula's not a stress eater, more of an incompetent assassin. She's waving her plastic knife around with mayhem on her mind but Gaby counsels a different approach. Why dwell on losses? Look at what we've gained!...a deeper soul sister friendship by sharing our romantic setbacks. Okay...I've used that approach myself at times. But let's face it, they'd much rather have their galans back!
Mientras tanto, how's breakfast going with our loving couples? Beto's spilling the beans about the macho contract he and Mau agreed on. Connie's so heartened by this, she orders some birria herself. Monita is quizzing Mau about the agreement as well but naturally he's mum. Maintaining that it's "cosas de hombre" instead he chides her for not using the "tu" form with him. Well, she'll try to make the transition from "usted" but just remember, she loves him with all her heart. Sweet sappy grins and Mau's declaration that nothing and no one will separate them. Another heavy duty anvil alert.
We're back at the Workshop of Lost Causes. Jerry, Oscar and Lordy! even Ximena, are trying to show Lalo how to walk wide and claim manly territory. Failure. Well, how about sitting, with legs spread wide, slugging down a beer and belching? Uh oh, prim legs together, pinkie extended, teeny burp quickly covered up with dainty hand. Not going well.
From there we go to a collage of scenes of both Beto and Mauricio training. Us gals get a glimpse of Costeño and Cibernetico and you guys get an eyefull of Constanza's lacy blue bra...serving as both distraction and motivation for Beto. 'Nuff said.
Now we're at the ring, and it's in full promotional tilt. Lots of ponderous announcements, a pair of girls in depressing pink and black outfits jiggling around to the music. Don Cesar's hair is looking wilder than ever....like he's been electrocuted. And all the usual suspects are there, including Sal and Lorenza, Aldo and Katja, Teresa with Dany, Luisa with novio of two weeks Ivan, Gaby and Paula, Rolu and the current Ximena (he can only date girls with that name, thanks to the tattoo on his back!) Tano and Estrella, Christian and his alleged brood, and of course, the nefarious Oscar and Jerry. Our two feuding womenfolk, Valentina and Constanza, find themselves sitting right next to each other.
The announcers warn us that this fight between el Fantasma Vengador and the famous race car driver Mauricio Sermeño will be without "empate" (a tie) or "indulto" (reprieve). A fight to the finish, in other words. Beto bounds in (after a blessing from his mom) and then Mau arrives in a weird green and yellow outfit, complete with green cape. They dance around and wrestle a little bit and then Monita insists on giving Mau a mask, even though it's supposed to be "mascara" against "cabello". We understand the need for a mask as soon as they start fighting again. Clearly we've got some nice muscular stunt doubles going at it, and it's lots of fun to watch. But Lalo is having the most fun, raving to his "study group" about the gluteos and brazos and torsos on view. Indeed. Carry on, Lalo.
Well, the mayhem isn't confined to the ring. Paula spots Christian heading to the bathroom and decides it's time to rumble. She insists that Estrella accompany her. For some reason, she's changed her weapon from plastic knife to fizzy water. When Christian emerges from the stall, she forces his head down in the basin and rubs the water all over his head while Christian warns them about the consequences of assaulting a police officer. This doesn't deter Estrella who's rubbing his leg oh so carefully, just in case he has a gun hidden somewhere. Paula doesn't know who to be mad at first! but Christian finally manages to explain that the mystery woman is his sister and the kids are his niece and nephew.
Back to the ring. More impressive gymnastics from our doubles and then whoops, Beto is thrown from the ring. But he gets back up, grabs a chair, climbs back in the ring and brains Mauricio with it. Is this allowed in lucha libre? Well, maybe we'll find out tomorrow. Stay tuned. "Cause that's it for tonight.
Previews:
Gaby finds out Lorenza is the new secretary to vice-president Jeronimo. Oh no!
Beto tells Monita that Nieves knows where her mom is but doesn't want Moni to find out.
Estrella is face to face with a mystery woman. But wait, she knows her...she's seen photos...it's Valentina's mom!
*birria = a goat dish served with reddish broth. Typical dish of Tlaquepaque, an area of Guadalajara. Eatn in general in the central part of Mexico.
Vocabulary:
empate = tie
indulto = reprieve. Can also mean pardon.
"fuera seconds" = trainers, seconds out of the ring
creida = gullible
tragona =gluttonous
me tira la onda = coming on to me (Gaby complaining about Sal's behavior)
divide y vencera = divide and conquer, Jerry gloating about the success of their plan to break up Gaby and Sal.
testarudo = stubborn, hard-headed (Beto)
Dicho of the Day"
La cosa ya no tiene remedio = The fat is in the fire. (In other words, looks like Mau and Monita will have to break up again. Oh no!)
Ah ha...perfect segue! " Strange bedfellows "and next we have Ximena and Lalo. Are they jogging or is he simply trying to run away from her? Not sure. She draws him close and asks him what he feels. That she need some breast augmentation. Undeterred she grabs his hand and asks again...what do you feel? That you're in need of a manicure. He DOES notice her nice skin and asks about her depilatory...because his skin is soooo rough, like a crocodile. Ximena, our eternal optimist, is encouraged that at last they've found an interest to share.
Okay. Strange bedfellows no. 3. Oscar and Jerry. Up to no good planting a letter outside Sal's door . Supposedly it's from Gaby and she wants Sal to meet her in 20 minutes in the photocopying room. If the lights are out, don't turn them on, JUST TAKE ME! Whew...who can resist an invitation like that?
Strange bedfellows no. 4. Gaby and Paula meet first to discuss the new noviazgo. Gee whiz, they've both worked at Sermeño Group for years and nary a nibble from Mauricio. Now Monita waltzes in and he's hooked. Clearly though, our two gals are entranced with the romance. But it reminds them of their own solitude. Taking it as a call to action, Paula vows to go looking for Christian and Gaby will go after Salvador. Anybody worried?
The evil Oscar/Jerry plan works to perfection. Sal, loins aflame we presume, charges into the photocopying room and gets down to work with mystery woman...who alas is his crazy wife Lorenza. Gaby barges in (at Jerry's instigation) and finds them getting busy...the preliminaries anyway. Strange bedfellows no. 5.
Sal is horrified to find out whom he's with...but not horrified enough. After Lorenza explains how she came to be there, they go into another clinch. Dang. I know I should be rooting for the sanctity of marriage, but I'm a Gaby fan. And for now, anyway, she wants our oh-so-married Sal.
Gaby consoles herself with cookies. (Brownies were always my drug of choice.) The first, because she's an idiot, the second, because she's immature, the third, because she's gullible (creida), the fourth because she's a glutton (tragona) and the fifth cookie...just because she wants to! (Ah the memories, sweets are a great anaesthetic and don't we gals all know it). Paula's going to need a little anaesthetic herself since she stakes out Christian's address, only to find him with what looks like two little kids and a wife! Ay yi yi.
After we break for ads (and I was tempted to head to the fridge) we come back to find the Moni/Connie alliance breaking down. Moni's shrieks are annoying the bejesus out of Connie (have to agree) and they bicker so much they actually lose sight of our fleeing hombres.
The boys are bickering too. Persnickety little Mau , who has gotten the gun away, is complaining that he didn't give Beto permission to "tutear" him. Naturally Beto pays no attention. He's more focused on the problems posed by Mau's handsome face and shampoo-commercial hair. Unfair competition! Mauricio's taken his job, his woman and his gun. What's a poor bestia like Beto to do? Oh nooo...Mauricio, clearly dropped on his beautiful head at birth, finally agrees to give Monita up if Beto beats him in the ring. Gaaaahhh...can you believe that? Well, sure. After all, we've got months to go. Sit back and relax.
Whoops...hard to relax when we see what's going on back at the office. Lorenza is leaving, but not without a few more kisses from Sal and some heartbreaking hugs...plus plans for dinner before she has to go back to the clinic! And Sal and Gaby are at daggers drawn because each one thinks the other is behind the wretched photocopying room trap. Have our would-be lovers learned nothing? Guess not.
Back to our other feuding couples. The gals finally catch up to our two lunkheads. Monita and Mau want to continue with their breakfast plans and Beto is only too happy to join them but no, it's just two to tango. Get your own. Well, Beto wanted birria *anyway and he drags a reluctant Connie along with him, promising that it's really good and doesn't give you gas, honest!
Our last scenario before the next round of ads is wee Ximena begging Jerry and Oscar to give Lalo some macho lessons. Oscar tries to explain that one "nace viril" (is born a "guy) but Xime reasons that sometimes lost dogs are found, everyone deserves a second chance and well, give it a try fellas! (did anybody follow that line of reasoning?) It isn't "mission impossible", she adds. Enter Lalo, stage left, whining and fussing. No one's on board with this idea except Ximensa.
More ads and then we're back in the coffee room with our sadder but wiser gals Paula and Gaby. Paula's not a stress eater, more of an incompetent assassin. She's waving her plastic knife around with mayhem on her mind but Gaby counsels a different approach. Why dwell on losses? Look at what we've gained!...a deeper soul sister friendship by sharing our romantic setbacks. Okay...I've used that approach myself at times. But let's face it, they'd much rather have their galans back!
Mientras tanto, how's breakfast going with our loving couples? Beto's spilling the beans about the macho contract he and Mau agreed on. Connie's so heartened by this, she orders some birria herself. Monita is quizzing Mau about the agreement as well but naturally he's mum. Maintaining that it's "cosas de hombre" instead he chides her for not using the "tu" form with him. Well, she'll try to make the transition from "usted" but just remember, she loves him with all her heart. Sweet sappy grins and Mau's declaration that nothing and no one will separate them. Another heavy duty anvil alert.
We're back at the Workshop of Lost Causes. Jerry, Oscar and Lordy! even Ximena, are trying to show Lalo how to walk wide and claim manly territory. Failure. Well, how about sitting, with legs spread wide, slugging down a beer and belching? Uh oh, prim legs together, pinkie extended, teeny burp quickly covered up with dainty hand. Not going well.
From there we go to a collage of scenes of both Beto and Mauricio training. Us gals get a glimpse of Costeño and Cibernetico and you guys get an eyefull of Constanza's lacy blue bra...serving as both distraction and motivation for Beto. 'Nuff said.
Now we're at the ring, and it's in full promotional tilt. Lots of ponderous announcements, a pair of girls in depressing pink and black outfits jiggling around to the music. Don Cesar's hair is looking wilder than ever....like he's been electrocuted. And all the usual suspects are there, including Sal and Lorenza, Aldo and Katja, Teresa with Dany, Luisa with novio of two weeks Ivan, Gaby and Paula, Rolu and the current Ximena (he can only date girls with that name, thanks to the tattoo on his back!) Tano and Estrella, Christian and his alleged brood, and of course, the nefarious Oscar and Jerry. Our two feuding womenfolk, Valentina and Constanza, find themselves sitting right next to each other.
The announcers warn us that this fight between el Fantasma Vengador and the famous race car driver Mauricio Sermeño will be without "empate" (a tie) or "indulto" (reprieve). A fight to the finish, in other words. Beto bounds in (after a blessing from his mom) and then Mau arrives in a weird green and yellow outfit, complete with green cape. They dance around and wrestle a little bit and then Monita insists on giving Mau a mask, even though it's supposed to be "mascara" against "cabello". We understand the need for a mask as soon as they start fighting again. Clearly we've got some nice muscular stunt doubles going at it, and it's lots of fun to watch. But Lalo is having the most fun, raving to his "study group" about the gluteos and brazos and torsos on view. Indeed. Carry on, Lalo.
Well, the mayhem isn't confined to the ring. Paula spots Christian heading to the bathroom and decides it's time to rumble. She insists that Estrella accompany her. For some reason, she's changed her weapon from plastic knife to fizzy water. When Christian emerges from the stall, she forces his head down in the basin and rubs the water all over his head while Christian warns them about the consequences of assaulting a police officer. This doesn't deter Estrella who's rubbing his leg oh so carefully, just in case he has a gun hidden somewhere. Paula doesn't know who to be mad at first! but Christian finally manages to explain that the mystery woman is his sister and the kids are his niece and nephew.
Back to the ring. More impressive gymnastics from our doubles and then whoops, Beto is thrown from the ring. But he gets back up, grabs a chair, climbs back in the ring and brains Mauricio with it. Is this allowed in lucha libre? Well, maybe we'll find out tomorrow. Stay tuned. "Cause that's it for tonight.
Previews:
Gaby finds out Lorenza is the new secretary to vice-president Jeronimo. Oh no!
Beto tells Monita that Nieves knows where her mom is but doesn't want Moni to find out.
Estrella is face to face with a mystery woman. But wait, she knows her...she's seen photos...it's Valentina's mom!
*birria = a goat dish served with reddish broth. Typical dish of Tlaquepaque, an area of Guadalajara. Eatn in general in the central part of Mexico.
Vocabulary:
empate = tie
indulto = reprieve. Can also mean pardon.
"fuera seconds" = trainers, seconds out of the ring
creida = gullible
tragona =gluttonous
me tira la onda = coming on to me (Gaby complaining about Sal's behavior)
divide y vencera = divide and conquer, Jerry gloating about the success of their plan to break up Gaby and Sal.
testarudo = stubborn, hard-headed (Beto)
Dicho of the Day"
La cosa ya no tiene remedio = The fat is in the fire. (In other words, looks like Mau and Monita will have to break up again. Oh no!)
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I love the recapps I look forward to them everyday, thanks again for them. Keep up the good work, your work is very much appricated.
rebecca
rebecca
Wonderful recap Judy. Great job. Glad that the sun is shining in this show once more.I thought we were about to take a long stroll down a very dark street after last night.
When Ximena was talking about the dog, I thought maybe she was talking about the movie Bombón el Perro about a beautiful Dogo Argentino (very much an all white giant pitbull), very masculine but not interested in sex, who was cured of his reluctance to perform. A very cute movie.
When Rolu introduced his date, I suffered another attack of uncontrollable laughter. The macho lessons for Lalo were also mirth-inducing.
The chair to the back is pretty much a reliable staple in the gentle world of Lucha Libre.
Carlos
When Ximena was talking about the dog, I thought maybe she was talking about the movie Bombón el Perro about a beautiful Dogo Argentino (very much an all white giant pitbull), very masculine but not interested in sex, who was cured of his reluctance to perform. A very cute movie.
When Rolu introduced his date, I suffered another attack of uncontrollable laughter. The macho lessons for Lalo were also mirth-inducing.
The chair to the back is pretty much a reliable staple in the gentle world of Lucha Libre.
Carlos
Yesterday's discussion of the fashions worn by the women on this show came on the same day that my copy of People en español arrived. Our Constanza, Laisha Wilkins, lost out in a fashion challenge to Lilia Luciano. even losing she sure looked terrific.
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: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 at 10:56:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 at 10:56:00 PM EDT
Rebecca, you've become a regular here. I'm so glad that you are enjoying it with us.
Here's a link to show off Bombón. He's sort of Bonnie Belle's Eduardo Yañez.
Carlos
Here's a link to show off Bombón. He's sort of Bonnie Belle's Eduardo Yañez.
Carlos
Good evening Judy, or should I say Good Morning by the time you read this?
Whew, this episode was a bit more lighthearted and silly than Monday's. And hey, Mau and Moni are still more or less together through more than one episode. Is this a record?
Ximena continues to crack me up relentlessly. What a funny thing to write into the script that Rolu is dating another Ximena. Whoever thought that up is some sort of comedic wonder.
Judy, thank you for your amusing and very astute recap. You are so good at catching the little details that always elude me, such as Mau having to wear a mask so we won't recognize his double. Duh! I couldn't figure out why he would put on the weird color-mismatched mask.
Carlos, what a sweet movie. I'll definitely have to rent it. I love how the doggie's face is just full of a ton of personality. I can understand why Bonnie Belle is smitten.
Whew, this episode was a bit more lighthearted and silly than Monday's. And hey, Mau and Moni are still more or less together through more than one episode. Is this a record?
Ximena continues to crack me up relentlessly. What a funny thing to write into the script that Rolu is dating another Ximena. Whoever thought that up is some sort of comedic wonder.
Judy, thank you for your amusing and very astute recap. You are so good at catching the little details that always elude me, such as Mau having to wear a mask so we won't recognize his double. Duh! I couldn't figure out why he would put on the weird color-mismatched mask.
Carlos, what a sweet movie. I'll definitely have to rent it. I love how the doggie's face is just full of a ton of personality. I can understand why Bonnie Belle is smitten.
Having Beto's uncharacteristic foray into the dark side vanquished quickly? Priceless. A return to normalcy -albeit crazy shenanigans, great humor, unexpected but mercifully quickly solved dilemas and problems. Hooray!
Last night's romp was action packed and captured perfectly. Judy, whether it's cutting to the heart and truth of the matter: "Sal is horrified to find out whom he's with...but not horrified enough" or the clever "worshop of lost causes", your skillful recaps always make the episode shine brighter. The vocabulary and dicho were an excellent compliment to the episode.
Ahh, Ximena. So dedicated, so determined, so creida. Didn't Elaine on Seinfeld try to convert someone to her "team"? My recollection is that that didn't fare too well either :).
Don Cesar looks more like Don King in each episode.
Beto and Connie have great chemistry. I love their scenes together - when they were lounging on the car, both sets of arms crossed, it was obvious they are both professionals who enjoy working together.
Welcome rebecca!
Carlos, what a beautiful dog Bombon is! He reminds me of Tugs, a beloved and much missed 3 legged pitbull my brother rescued years ago. What kind and loving dogs they are.
Sylvia, glad to be back...
Diana in MA
Last night's romp was action packed and captured perfectly. Judy, whether it's cutting to the heart and truth of the matter: "Sal is horrified to find out whom he's with...but not horrified enough" or the clever "worshop of lost causes", your skillful recaps always make the episode shine brighter. The vocabulary and dicho were an excellent compliment to the episode.
Ahh, Ximena. So dedicated, so determined, so creida. Didn't Elaine on Seinfeld try to convert someone to her "team"? My recollection is that that didn't fare too well either :).
Don Cesar looks more like Don King in each episode.
Beto and Connie have great chemistry. I love their scenes together - when they were lounging on the car, both sets of arms crossed, it was obvious they are both professionals who enjoy working together.
Welcome rebecca!
Carlos, what a beautiful dog Bombon is! He reminds me of Tugs, a beloved and much missed 3 legged pitbull my brother rescued years ago. What kind and loving dogs they are.
Sylvia, glad to be back...
Diana in MA
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, October 7, 2009 at 7:51:00 AM EDT
: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 at 7:51:00 AM EDT
Good morning Rebecca and thanks. We recappers look forward to reading the comments everyday!...and also reading the recaps on the other lines. It's a wonderful addiction without too many side effects other than laughter and picking up some more Spanish.
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Carlos, of course! That must be it. A story of love and hope...in Ximena's case not too promising but still, it all makes sense now. Thanks for the link...and for making me laugh that Bonbon is Bonne Belle's Eduardo Yañez.
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Carlos, of course! That must be it. A story of love and hope...in Ximena's case not too promising but still, it all makes sense now. Thanks for the link...and for making me laugh that Bonbon is Bonne Belle's Eduardo Yañez.
Anonymous 10:56...yes, I saw that same criticism in my PeoplenEspañol. I didn't really think Constanza' red belt ruined the dress but the other girl did look cuter without it. Some of those fashion critiques seem mean-spirited. But on the other hand, some of the outfits these starlets choose to wear are mind-boggling. Clearly the fashionistas in Gancho are making pretty good choices.
hi Sylvia...I missed you yesterday. Did you post a comment on Carlos' line? I started to worry. I'm glad they did resort to doubles because I found all the leaping and tumbling and rolling around quite entertaining. Plus, being a "leg woman" I greatly admired the robust thighs of whoever was playing Maurice. Not that our Mau doesn't have nice legs...they're just not as stocky as the double's.
Diana, count me in with all the other recappers who are glad to have to back. We've missed your insights and observations and your warm support.
Did you get a chance to watch these shows when you were traveling? I always found motel stays depressing when I had to travel and usually ended up taking my meals in my room, watching TV. Hope you could get Univision wherever you were! And thank goodness you got back for that rip-roaring MEPS finale.
Did you get a chance to watch these shows when you were traveling? I always found motel stays depressing when I had to travel and usually ended up taking my meals in my room, watching TV. Hope you could get Univision wherever you were! And thank goodness you got back for that rip-roaring MEPS finale.
Good morning Judy and all. Yes, I finally did post a comment on Carlos's recap and I'll repeat it here:
"Ahoy all! Whew, I have been really busy since Sunday and have just now read Carlos's fantastic recap and watched the episode.
Carlos, I really can't add any more accolades, my friends have already gotten dibs on your best quotes. I wasn't even going to watch this episode but I simply HAD to after your recap. Grrrrrr!
By the way, I haven't seen the finale of MEPS nor have I had a chance to comment on it yet so I was NOT lured away from Gancho because of that. The simple explanation is that I was busy, elsewhere, and could not get my laptop to cooperate.
Yes, the story of Isabel and Nieves is sad and dark, but I find it interesting that they both deal with similar traumas in very different ways. Hence, they are perhaps unforgiving of the other because of this, which is quite true to life I think. It's funny how sometimes humans can be so compassionate but can also be so stiff and unforgiving. Also, why can we be so forgiving of strangers and at the same time so harsh to the ones we love?
I find the Luchador motif, the constant battle between good and evil embodied within ourselves, to be an appropriate motif for this telenovela.
I do hope it stays light but I suspect we are about to enter the trial phase of our archetypal journey.
Thanks again Carlos, a most excellent recap and I particularly like the title. How true!"
"Ahoy all! Whew, I have been really busy since Sunday and have just now read Carlos's fantastic recap and watched the episode.
Carlos, I really can't add any more accolades, my friends have already gotten dibs on your best quotes. I wasn't even going to watch this episode but I simply HAD to after your recap. Grrrrrr!
By the way, I haven't seen the finale of MEPS nor have I had a chance to comment on it yet so I was NOT lured away from Gancho because of that. The simple explanation is that I was busy, elsewhere, and could not get my laptop to cooperate.
Yes, the story of Isabel and Nieves is sad and dark, but I find it interesting that they both deal with similar traumas in very different ways. Hence, they are perhaps unforgiving of the other because of this, which is quite true to life I think. It's funny how sometimes humans can be so compassionate but can also be so stiff and unforgiving. Also, why can we be so forgiving of strangers and at the same time so harsh to the ones we love?
I find the Luchador motif, the constant battle between good and evil embodied within ourselves, to be an appropriate motif for this telenovela.
I do hope it stays light but I suspect we are about to enter the trial phase of our archetypal journey.
Thanks again Carlos, a most excellent recap and I particularly like the title. How true!"
Thanks for the recap Judy. Your vocab and dichos are fun too. Do you have a dictionary of phrases? Also I'm glad our couple managed to stay together for your episode ;).
Welcome Rebecca and welcome back Diana. I hope your travels were interesting.
I posted late on Monday and comments by many of you are prompting this question. Why did the writers put awful rape stories in this comedic novela? I would like to believe that you don't have to be a woman to understand that rape and comedy don't mix.
Welcome Rebecca and welcome back Diana. I hope your travels were interesting.
I posted late on Monday and comments by many of you are prompting this question. Why did the writers put awful rape stories in this comedic novela? I would like to believe that you don't have to be a woman to understand that rape and comedy don't mix.
Ah Sylvia...you pose a profound question. I have often wondered the same thing.
I suspect that we're harder on our loved ones because what they do MATTERS SO MUCH TO US. Easier to cut casual friends and acquaintances more slack, because their mistakes and poor decisions don't have the same capacity to wound us and shatter our worlds.
I came across an interesting phrase in a counseling book the other day "fearful tyrants trying to control their little kingdoms". It made me think of Nieves...but I know it could also have applied to me. Ay yi yi.
I suspect that we're harder on our loved ones because what they do MATTERS SO MUCH TO US. Easier to cut casual friends and acquaintances more slack, because their mistakes and poor decisions don't have the same capacity to wound us and shatter our worlds.
I came across an interesting phrase in a counseling book the other day "fearful tyrants trying to control their little kingdoms". It made me think of Nieves...but I know it could also have applied to me. Ay yi yi.
Sylvia, thanks for your nice words and I'm glad you are OK. I think that you would enjoy Bombón el Perro. It's a very sweet feel good movie. The human main character is very low key but has a very expressive face. However, Bombón is clearly the star.
For some reason, Rolu's tattoo continues to crack me up. I have a patient, a young man who is amiable but seems to be a half-step behind the rest of the world, who met a tattoo artist in Galveston. The tattooist offered a free tattoo and my patient accepted. The artist started an elaborate tattoo on the young man but about halfway through told him he would have to pay to get it finished. The last time I saw him,mhe still had a halfway done face of what may someday a beautiful señorita.
Carlos
For some reason, Rolu's tattoo continues to crack me up. I have a patient, a young man who is amiable but seems to be a half-step behind the rest of the world, who met a tattoo artist in Galveston. The tattooist offered a free tattoo and my patient accepted. The artist started an elaborate tattoo on the young man but about halfway through told him he would have to pay to get it finished. The last time I saw him,mhe still had a halfway done face of what may someday a beautiful señorita.
Carlos
Dear Karen,
Thanks for posing that question. No, rape and lighthearted comedy don't mix, but inevitably even the most rollicking telenovela will bring in dark themes. The drama is what keeps the pot boiling.
And, as Sylvia mentioned, the luchador motif...the fight against good and evil...is a constant in any story. Think back to our favorite fairy tales. The same themes continue in these adult tales we're watching. And the same themes continue in our lives.
Nieves has reacted to her experience by becoming fiercely protective of her "cub", regardless of how he came to be. Monita's mother, who perhaps did not have Nieves' tigerish strength, was too devastated to continue mothering Monita or handling her own life.
Extreme stress strengthens some people, leaves others damaged but still competent, others....completely shattered. Monita's mother seems to be the latter.
Thanks for posing that question. No, rape and lighthearted comedy don't mix, but inevitably even the most rollicking telenovela will bring in dark themes. The drama is what keeps the pot boiling.
And, as Sylvia mentioned, the luchador motif...the fight against good and evil...is a constant in any story. Think back to our favorite fairy tales. The same themes continue in these adult tales we're watching. And the same themes continue in our lives.
Nieves has reacted to her experience by becoming fiercely protective of her "cub", regardless of how he came to be. Monita's mother, who perhaps did not have Nieves' tigerish strength, was too devastated to continue mothering Monita or handling her own life.
Extreme stress strengthens some people, leaves others damaged but still competent, others....completely shattered. Monita's mother seems to be the latter.
Karen, about my "dicho" source. I have a book I love. It's The Street-Wise Spanish Survival Guide by Eleanor Hamer & Fernando Díez de Urdanivia.
There's a section on Expressions, including Proverbs and Sayings; another on Slang in Mexico, False Cognates; Grammar Hints; Living in Mexico and Latin American Construction Vocabulary.
My little old brain can only manage to retain a few things from this tome, but it's a great resource for me.
There's a section on Expressions, including Proverbs and Sayings; another on Slang in Mexico, False Cognates; Grammar Hints; Living in Mexico and Latin American Construction Vocabulary.
My little old brain can only manage to retain a few things from this tome, but it's a great resource for me.
Ah Carlos. Good morning. I love your patient stories. I hope one day you take the time to write a book. You are a master storyteller and have enough fodder for several books, I suspect. In the meantime, you always brighten our day with your tales.
ITA with Judy. Carlos your stories are always a hoot. Thanks for sharing.
Sorry to be AWOL but I decided at the last minute to go to a concert on Monday night. I spent the night at my friend's house but couldn't get a wireless connection, then was too busy at work to even read your recap. How annoying!
Sorry to be AWOL but I decided at the last minute to go to a concert on Monday night. I spent the night at my friend's house but couldn't get a wireless connection, then was too busy at work to even read your recap. How annoying!
Thanks for thoughts Judy. As Carlos mentioned in his post last night, TNs do often include rape and I would love to get a better cultural understanding as to why.
Though the writers can use the story to explain how Nieves and Moni's mother coped, I wish they could choose something else as a traumatic event.
Though the writers can use the story to explain how Nieves and Moni's mother coped, I wish they could choose something else as a traumatic event.
Karen, don't ever watch that "Casos de la Vida Real" that's on at noon. I tried watching it at lunchtime during the early days of pounding Spanish and the episodes were so gruesome and over-sexualized, I had to give up.
Also, in the book Distant Neighbors, by Alan Riding, he provides a rather discouraging chapter on the treatment of women in Mexico...and in Latin countries in general. The man is the total head of the household. This was brought out alarmingly in a story about children's malnutrition in Guatemala that was shown on the news last night. The father always eats first, and the mother and children get whatever leftover food there is. (Also true in many Muslim countries.) As the Guatemalan health care worker pointed out, the father who brought in his severly malnourished child, looked quite well-fed himself. Hardly skin and bones, but his little daughter certainly was.
Also, in Riding's book he mentioned that it was commonly accepted for the married man to have a mistress and to spend his free hours either with her or drinking and carousing with his buddies. The wife stayed home, raised the children, managed on what ever money was left, and did as she was told.
No wonder they write these fairy tale happy endings! If you can't find it in real life, you'll sure be looking for it in your entertainment.
Also, in the book Distant Neighbors, by Alan Riding, he provides a rather discouraging chapter on the treatment of women in Mexico...and in Latin countries in general. The man is the total head of the household. This was brought out alarmingly in a story about children's malnutrition in Guatemala that was shown on the news last night. The father always eats first, and the mother and children get whatever leftover food there is. (Also true in many Muslim countries.) As the Guatemalan health care worker pointed out, the father who brought in his severly malnourished child, looked quite well-fed himself. Hardly skin and bones, but his little daughter certainly was.
Also, in Riding's book he mentioned that it was commonly accepted for the married man to have a mistress and to spend his free hours either with her or drinking and carousing with his buddies. The wife stayed home, raised the children, managed on what ever money was left, and did as she was told.
No wonder they write these fairy tale happy endings! If you can't find it in real life, you'll sure be looking for it in your entertainment.
Thanks for your recap Judy. Beto's stunt was crazy but I couldn't believe that Mau had the nerve to gamble Moni. If I were her, I wouldn't be crazy about any of this guys.
Rolu and his date Ximena made me laugh so much, some things here are just gold. I was also laughing at Estrella feeling up Cristian and getting Paula mad at her during that time. Paula and her crazy himicidal instincts and Cris the too correct cop are perfect for each other.
Judy I still have to get that book. I know now that we have it here, but the price is a little higher than I expected. A friend of mine said I could try a book fair in a city about an hour from mine, I have to go there this week so I'll try to find it.
The husband eating first is not a situation that is very familiar to me, but it can still exist in small "rancherías". Not so much in bigger cities.
The men having affairs is still unfurtunately common, but I don't think it is as accepted as it was in 1985. In 1997, TV Azteca produced a telenovela called "Mirada de Mujer" in wich the main character was a woman in her fifties with three grown children whose husband had been cheating on her for a while with a younger woman. She finds out through one of her friends and realizes than most of them knew about it beforehand, so she takes the decision of kick him out of the house and divorce him, to the outrage of her mother, sister and daughters. She risks being look down by her socialite friends and changing the life she had built for almost thirty years. Then she ends up falling in love with a man in his thirties, wich earns her great criticism from everyone, including those that had approved of his husbands relationship, as it is not the same for a woman to be with a younger man than for a man to be with a younger woman. Her only allies are her two best friends and her only son.
This novela caused a big commotion. The number of divorces grew so much during those years (people were talking about 40%). And this was one of the many outlets that have been used to attack the popular "machismo" in México, although of cours we still have alot of things to work on.
Jarocha
Rolu and his date Ximena made me laugh so much, some things here are just gold. I was also laughing at Estrella feeling up Cristian and getting Paula mad at her during that time. Paula and her crazy himicidal instincts and Cris the too correct cop are perfect for each other.
Judy I still have to get that book. I know now that we have it here, but the price is a little higher than I expected. A friend of mine said I could try a book fair in a city about an hour from mine, I have to go there this week so I'll try to find it.
The husband eating first is not a situation that is very familiar to me, but it can still exist in small "rancherías". Not so much in bigger cities.
The men having affairs is still unfurtunately common, but I don't think it is as accepted as it was in 1985. In 1997, TV Azteca produced a telenovela called "Mirada de Mujer" in wich the main character was a woman in her fifties with three grown children whose husband had been cheating on her for a while with a younger woman. She finds out through one of her friends and realizes than most of them knew about it beforehand, so she takes the decision of kick him out of the house and divorce him, to the outrage of her mother, sister and daughters. She risks being look down by her socialite friends and changing the life she had built for almost thirty years. Then she ends up falling in love with a man in his thirties, wich earns her great criticism from everyone, including those that had approved of his husbands relationship, as it is not the same for a woman to be with a younger man than for a man to be with a younger woman. Her only allies are her two best friends and her only son.
This novela caused a big commotion. The number of divorces grew so much during those years (people were talking about 40%). And this was one of the many outlets that have been used to attack the popular "machismo" in México, although of cours we still have alot of things to work on.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, October 7, 2009 at 11:39:00 AM EDT
: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 at 11:39:00 AM EDT
Good morning Jarocha. Good to hear from you. The divorce rates sadden me...here, it's a bit over 50% I think, and the usual reason is infidelity.
I have a friend who started out in corporate law but has had so many friends come to her with divorce situations that it accounts for most of her work now. What's really sad is now people are getting divorced in their eighties. (Dad, thanks to Viagra, has a younger girlfriend and marries her the day the divorce is final).
Pharmaceuticals have greatly increased the number of divorces coming after the Golden Wedding Anniversary.
I'm sure "the machismo male eats first" is just true for the campesinos. The same in Muslim countries. I have a good friend who's from a well educated Muslim family and she has the most wonderful, attentive husband you could ever imagine. And he'd do anything for her and the children.
Well, in a better world, we'd all have blissful relationships, respectful, appreciative children and peace in our hearts. Just gotta keep on truckin'
So sorry you can't find the book in a library. I almost never buy books anymore. Fortunately the library system in my city is very good.
I have a friend who started out in corporate law but has had so many friends come to her with divorce situations that it accounts for most of her work now. What's really sad is now people are getting divorced in their eighties. (Dad, thanks to Viagra, has a younger girlfriend and marries her the day the divorce is final).
Pharmaceuticals have greatly increased the number of divorces coming after the Golden Wedding Anniversary.
I'm sure "the machismo male eats first" is just true for the campesinos. The same in Muslim countries. I have a good friend who's from a well educated Muslim family and she has the most wonderful, attentive husband you could ever imagine. And he'd do anything for her and the children.
Well, in a better world, we'd all have blissful relationships, respectful, appreciative children and peace in our hearts. Just gotta keep on truckin'
So sorry you can't find the book in a library. I almost never buy books anymore. Fortunately the library system in my city is very good.
Judy, thanks for the terrific recap. You captured the hijinks perfectly.
I was wondering what Moni was holding, and it turned out to be a mask for Mau. Good call on the stunt doubles.
I think Paula needs to watch a few more telenovelas. Most of us probably guessed that woman was Cristian's sister as soon as we saw her.
I'm disappointed with Salvador, but of course, if he just divorced his wife and went with Gabi, that storyline would be over.
I thought Ximena did a much better job of walking like a man than did Lalo.
I was wondering what Moni was holding, and it turned out to be a mask for Mau. Good call on the stunt doubles.
I think Paula needs to watch a few more telenovelas. Most of us probably guessed that woman was Cristian's sister as soon as we saw her.
I'm disappointed with Salvador, but of course, if he just divorced his wife and went with Gabi, that storyline would be over.
I thought Ximena did a much better job of walking like a man than did Lalo.
Hi Hombre. Yes, our Ximena certainly nailed the wide stance macho walk. And I suppose we'll just have to put up with Salvador's indecision as well as Mauricio and Monita's many breakups and makeups yet to come. And our Rolu will definitely end up with "Ximena"...we just don't know which one.
Awesome, Judy. Your recaps have great style.
I totally admire and understand Ximena's optimism and persistence regarding Lalo. Who wouldn't fall in love with her, regardless of former predilections? I don't know why she wants to make him more macho, though. Then what will they have in common?
The fight was great fun. I'm still hoping for the best but it almost seems like Mauricio has to lose in order to separate him and Monita YET AGAIN...though how he's going to explain that to her is a mystery. Was there any specification of what giving her up really meant? Forever? For a day?
I totally admire and understand Ximena's optimism and persistence regarding Lalo. Who wouldn't fall in love with her, regardless of former predilections? I don't know why she wants to make him more macho, though. Then what will they have in common?
The fight was great fun. I'm still hoping for the best but it almost seems like Mauricio has to lose in order to separate him and Monita YET AGAIN...though how he's going to explain that to her is a mystery. Was there any specification of what giving her up really meant? Forever? For a day?
Aha...what a great negotiator you'd be, Julia....noooo, there was no timetable for the renunciation...just an open-ended, If I love, I'll give her up. Even if he didn't lose, were Monita to find out he'd made such an agreement, without HER input, she'd probably be so furious, she'd break up with him anyway. Lots more feudin' and fussin' I'm afraid before this one wraps up.
Judy, I'm hard put to figure what possible input that Moni might have to make such an agreement OK with her, although I believe there have actually been such matches in the WWF or one of the professional wrestling organizations here with just such stakes involved with the willing if uneasy participation of the beautiful prize. Somehow how I can't see our Monita being quite so compliant. I recall a TN with just such a premise, Apuesta por un Amor(Gamble for Love). I think a horse race was to determine who got the girl. By the way, I believe this was the show that featured the guy who played Vlad in MEPS as a frightening, raving, murderous, lunatic.
Carlos
Carlos
Aaagggh...the premise is so insulting. The fact that the female should have no say in who she ends up with...that it is strictly a contest between males.
I understand this is how it works in some animal kingdoms, but even there, it seems the females find occasional ways to thwart the deal. (Am reading a book The Liar in Your Life... rather disquieting reading, by the way.)
I remember the show Apuesta del Amor. This was at the very start of my trying to learn Spanish from tapes days and I couldn't understand any telenovelas. So I only watched it once. Without the CarayCaray recaps of Heridas and Fea Mas Bella, and their recommendations for closed captions, I don't think I ever would have made much progress. Can totally see "Vlad" though as a crazy. His eyes are strrrrrange.
I understand this is how it works in some animal kingdoms, but even there, it seems the females find occasional ways to thwart the deal. (Am reading a book The Liar in Your Life... rather disquieting reading, by the way.)
I remember the show Apuesta del Amor. This was at the very start of my trying to learn Spanish from tapes days and I couldn't understand any telenovelas. So I only watched it once. Without the CarayCaray recaps of Heridas and Fea Mas Bella, and their recommendations for closed captions, I don't think I ever would have made much progress. Can totally see "Vlad" though as a crazy. His eyes are strrrrrange.
A few of my usual random streamings...
Thanks, Judy, for another muy excellente recap!
Jarocha, special thanks to you for opening a window to Mexico for us. Your comments are very much appreciated.
Re the male chauvinism, I wonder if that traces back to the Arabic occupation of Spain pre-Ferdinand and Isabella and was subsequently exported to the New World.
Sylvia, thanks for your remark from yesterday about people treating those outside the family better.
Does anyone else think Lalo looks like he could be Jeronimo's kid brother?
I would be happy to mail a dozen or so disposable razors to Televisa - those three day beards look slovenly. I dunno, maybe they're hot in some peoples' minds. Praise to Oily Oscar - at least he shaves.
For Carlos and other pit bull aficionados, the Daily Press reports our home town hero Michael Vick will soon have his own TV show.
Lastly, can we have a group hug for mi esposa who got to spend an hour with the periodontist yesterday morning?
Thanks, Judy, for another muy excellente recap!
Jarocha, special thanks to you for opening a window to Mexico for us. Your comments are very much appreciated.
Re the male chauvinism, I wonder if that traces back to the Arabic occupation of Spain pre-Ferdinand and Isabella and was subsequently exported to the New World.
Sylvia, thanks for your remark from yesterday about people treating those outside the family better.
Does anyone else think Lalo looks like he could be Jeronimo's kid brother?
I would be happy to mail a dozen or so disposable razors to Televisa - those three day beards look slovenly. I dunno, maybe they're hot in some peoples' minds. Praise to Oily Oscar - at least he shaves.
For Carlos and other pit bull aficionados, the Daily Press reports our home town hero Michael Vick will soon have his own TV show.
Lastly, can we have a group hug for mi esposa who got to spend an hour with the periodontist yesterday morning?
Mike, it's great to hear from you. I was a little worried about you guys yesterday. I'm inclined to agree with you about the stubble. I tried that look for a couple of days but instead of looking macho, I looked more like a street person who should be out pestering people for spare change.
Is Michael Vick going to be doing a dog whisperer type show or just stick to football? I wonder if he realizes what dog spelled backward is.
Emilia, my heart goes out to you. I hope Mike is properly coddling you. I dread going to the dentist even for a checkup and cleaning. The periodontist even sounds terrifying. I try not to think of what thy might do.
Carlos
Is Michael Vick going to be doing a dog whisperer type show or just stick to football? I wonder if he realizes what dog spelled backward is.
Emilia, my heart goes out to you. I hope Mike is properly coddling you. I dread going to the dentist even for a checkup and cleaning. The periodontist even sounds terrifying. I try not to think of what thy might do.
Carlos
Hi Carlos,
Mike is an excellent coddler - cup of tea in bed, ice bags, pain pills, etc... This one wasn't fun at all but with enough valium, it ain't too bad. I had a crown extension, where the Dr. cuts back the gum, then grinds away some of the bone in order to make the tooth longer and more able to accept a crown. (That will come later.) The gross-out factor is the worst part.
I didn't watch the show until today but thoroughly enjoyed it, especially your recap, Judy. Looking forward to tonight's.
Mike is an excellent coddler - cup of tea in bed, ice bags, pain pills, etc... This one wasn't fun at all but with enough valium, it ain't too bad. I had a crown extension, where the Dr. cuts back the gum, then grinds away some of the bone in order to make the tooth longer and more able to accept a crown. (That will come later.) The gross-out factor is the worst part.
I didn't watch the show until today but thoroughly enjoyed it, especially your recap, Judy. Looking forward to tonight's.
Okay, Mike...we're sending a group hug to Emilia...and Emilia...you have all my sympathy...but happy Mike is tending you in this tough time. Periodontal work is the worst! (so far)...who knows what Mother Nature has in store for us.
Judy I think divorce is terrible. Here people think that marriage is sacred and try to keep being married but I wished this included an effort to stay faithful.
Mike I've never thaught about that. We do have great influences from arabic culture.
Emilia the procedure sounds painful,I'll join the group hug and wish you a fast recovery.
Jarocha
Mike I've never thaught about that. We do have great influences from arabic culture.
Emilia the procedure sounds painful,I'll join the group hug and wish you a fast recovery.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, October 7, 2009 at 6:14:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 at 6:14:00 PM EDT
Ouch, Emilia. I've had that same procedure so I can commiserate. As I recall, it was miserable but healed pretty fast, so I hope you are out of the woods in no time. In the meantime take all the coddling you can get.
From what I hear, the other major reason for divorce is disagreements about money. It's a shame that something materialistic ends up dividing previously happy couples, but I've known a lot of people who blithely marry without ever discussing or considering major differences in their financial priorities or attitudes about money. And then the divorce leaves them with even less money to fight over.
Amen to that Julia and Jarocha. Divorce is ruinous emotionally, spiritually and financially. Not that I would recommend anyone staying in an abusive marriage but for those whose relationship has deteriorated because of selfish tugs of war over money and who gets to spend on what...it's well worth the time (and expense) to get counseling on how to improve the relationship.
And as for infidelity, if people gave as much attention and care to their spouses as their lovers, well...again, no problem. "El corazón no se manda" but your body, your time and your commitment is under your control. Keep the corazón home where it belongs, for everybody's good.
And here endeth the lesson.
And as for infidelity, if people gave as much attention and care to their spouses as their lovers, well...again, no problem. "El corazón no se manda" but your body, your time and your commitment is under your control. Keep the corazón home where it belongs, for everybody's good.
And here endeth the lesson.
You know I read this earlier but must have gotten distracted and forgot I din't comment. As always a great recap by Miss Jud...loved the "bedfellows"
and I'm in on the virtual hug...one of my crowns fell out a few weeks ago, post and all. I've avoided going to see about it...I fear it's going to be something along those lines, and a small fortune to boot. Blech.
Thanks for the detailed recap!!!
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and I'm in on the virtual hug...one of my crowns fell out a few weeks ago, post and all. I've avoided going to see about it...I fear it's going to be something along those lines, and a small fortune to boot. Blech.
Thanks for the detailed recap!!!
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