Wednesday, March 03, 2010

Corazon Salvaje, Tuesday, March 2: Ep. 8--Juan and Aimee make out…oh, you thought there might be something else?

Leonarda gives Renato the news that Regina and Aimee are coming back. He is thrilled to hear it; Rosenda, less so. Renato asks Mami if she and Papi are going to live together again. Mami is fine with him living in town, but Renato wants him to come back to the finca so that all the family can be together.

Juan is still channeling Tarzan when he's interrupted by Gabriel, wanting to know where he plans to eat his dinner. Juan grumbles at him that "nobody understands but me." How very adolescent of him.

Aimee, still tarted up in what looks on my screen like hot pink and lime green, swishes her way down the corridor, throwing her hips out far enough to the side to fill the entire corridor herself. And this, my friends, is not a narrow corridor. Regina now emerges from her room, also wearing the same dress as earlier (what gives? I thought ladies were supposed to change for dinner?) and hauling her massive camera (not a euphemism). She carries it over one shoulder like a baby and heads off in the opposite direction from Aimee.

Juan is still going on about how no one understands. If Gabe plays his cards right, one day Juan will tell him the whole story. Juan asks if he understands the meaning of the word "venganza" (revenge, vengeance) and then fires a rifle at a vase. This wakes up Rodrigo in the next room. Juan laughs. I roll my eyes.

Rodrigo starts looking for the girls and finds their room empty.

The captain comes running in after hearing the shot, but Juan says it was just an accident. Juan asks the captain to sit down and asks Gabe to stay and hear the conversation. Juan says he'd never planned for La Promesa to go back to Mexico. He reminds the captain, again, that no one is to know who he is.

Rodrigo opens his stateroom door and finds Federico waiting for him. Where have I seen this actor before? Federico is as much of a snob as Rodrigo. They both say they heard the shot. Federico fops that maybe it was some nautical thing. He asks if he can meet Rod's daughters. Rod is upset about them leaving the room without permission and says as much to Fed. They go off, apparently in search of the girls.

Regina is having a little trouble wrangling the camera. Gypsy girl comes over to help her. Her name is Jimena and she freaks out when she sees the captain. Regina hides her under the cloth covering her camera. She tries to look casual, just hanging out with her camera, but she fails miserably.

Gabriel tells Juan that Juan can count on him. Juan knows that. And he knows that when Gabe finds out his story, he'll understand. Juan sends Gabe off to eat and says he'll take a walk.

Regina tells the captain she's just checking things out to see if maybe she can take some pictures on deck. The captain would like for her to take his picture sometime and she says she'll give him some warning. Once the captain is gone, she extricates Jimena and asks what she's doing there.

Rodrigo yells at Aimee for leaving the room without permission. For once, she doesn't blame it on Regina. She just says she only stepped out for a little while, to get some air and that Regina is probably out taking pictures. Rodrigo is upset that he's arranged for them to dine with Federico and if Regina doesn't get back in time, he'll look bad. Aimee tells him to go on ahead to dinner and she'll catch up to him. Rodrigo grabs his gloves and cane and leaves. Aimee flashes back to her fond memories of bumping into Juan and arguing with him. In the faded out flashback, that dress looks much better with that hair. Aimee is getting hot and bothered just thinking about how savage Juan might be. Bow, chicka bow bow.

Regina is thrilled to hear that Jimena is with a circus. Jimena says they're really just a band of gypsies, not a whole circus, but they're traveling 3rd class back to Mexico to see what's what. Jimena does a little of everything, but her specialty is reading palms. She pulls of Regina's glove to get a look…"Here I see love, a happy and painful love…you're going to awake the passions of two men…two lovers from different worlds…and a woman will try to block your path." Regina wonders who, but Jimena takes off now. In slow-mo, she turns around and is confronted by a shirtless Juan. He might as well be a stand-in for her daddy, asking her what she's doing out there alone, at this time of night. Regina's hasty escape is hampered by the giant camera and, we assume, an incipient fit of the vapors at being around a shirtless man. Pobre de Juan…should be carrying around smelling salts if you're going to go exposing your naked torso to innocent young ladies. She knocks her handbag off the railing and Juan dives in after it.

Of course, being the hero, he retrieves the lady's reticule and climbs back aboard, dripping wet. Juan asks her to please be more careful in the future. She's astounded that he dived in like that…"The sea could have swallowed you!" Juan reassures her that it wouldn't have happened, as the sea is his best friend.

At dinner, the ho's have a table to themselves and they're having a great time. Federico and Rodrigo are waiting for the ladies. Rodrigo makes some feeble excuse about how they must be taking their time getting ready. To paraphrase the immortal Lorelei Gilmore, "They're 18, they have skin like a baby's ass, what's there to primp?!"

Juan asks Regina if she had intended to accompany her sister to dinner and she remembers that she needs to go. She starts to leave without her camera, but Juan reminds her of that too, then stands on deck wet and shivering. Once she leaves, he sits down and looks at the moon on the ocean.

The captain welcomes everyone to the boat and says he hopes they have a safe journey to Veracruz. Everyone raises their glasses in a toast and then applauds. The musicians start playing.

Aimee makes her way up on deck and finds hot, wet, shirtless Juan. She comes up behind him and says something suggestive that I don't catch. It sounds like they're surrounded by helicopters. I'm sure what they're saying isn't very important anyway. The smooching commences…actually it looks like they're trying to eat each other's faces off.

Of course, she pulls away and tries to slap him, but Juan's not having any of that. Aimee calls him a savage again. Juan says something about being a "pobre diablo" (poor devil). She wonders what he's doing in first class, then. He claims he travels first class because the company demands it, but he really doesn't have any money. Aimee says something about something…damn helicopters…and it's a long trip, so they'll leave it to chance. Juan observes that she and her sister are very different. Aimee says her sister takes life too seriously and says she calls her Santa Regina. She admits that they're alike in some things, like being stubborn. Juan tells her the story of diving into the sea for Regina's bag and Aimee looks CELOSA (jealous!) and asks why he would do that for someone he doesn't know. His reply is "That's just the way I am."

Regina has pulled off a quick change and walks into the dining room looking like 1880's Barbie. You know, I'm pretty sure a pageant queen of today could get away with that dress. Rodrigo is upset about her being late for dinner (Aimee still isn't there). He says he won't be able to relax until they're married. He asks where Aimee is….

On deck with Juan, supposing that she'd better get going before Big Daddy gets upset. Juan grabs her fan and fans himself with it, saying he didn't think she cared about rules. Juan suggests they go somewhere more private. She thinks he's being forward and says a kiss is one thing, but that doesn't mean she's up for more…she doesn't even know his name, after all. She seems to really get off on hearing that he's "Juan del Diablo," but he can't convince her to leave with him. Aimee says they can't waste the moonlight. She's sure that even for a savage, he knows how to please a lady. Ah, but that's a gentleman's job, and he's not a gentleman. She pouts about men never appreciating things, but he's appreciative of her being a fine-lookin' woman, and of her being kind of bad. He's into bad girls. Well, she's into bad boys, so that's cool. She tells him her name is Aimee, but that's all she'll tell him. He doesn't need any more. They eat each other's faces some more.

Dinner continues. Magda realizes that Rodrigo is sitting two tables away. She remembers their one afternoon of lust and covers her face with her fan. She tells the girls to get up from the table and leaves the dining room, still holding her fan awkwardly between her face and Rodrigo's. Federico is happy to sit around waiting for Aimee. Rodrigo is glad that Fed at least got to meet Reggie.

Juan and Aimee keep having a good time. Her lipstick is good and gone. Juan offers that if she doesn't want to call him "Juan del Diablo" she can just call him "Juan de Juan" as he only belongs to himself. They agree they each belong to each other, just a little bit. "A ratos" (sometimes) says Juan, who finds this very funny. But Aimee doesn't like him laughing. She finds his statement that "bad things go well for me" disconcerting. She doesn't know why she likes him, but she's not going to let him near her anymore. They argue again about who bumped into who earlier. She tells him to shut up and kiss her. They each demand that the other say "me gustas" (you are pleasing to me; you're getting me all hot and bothered; in Spanish, you don't "like" things, things are pleasing to you) repeatedly and suck face some more. Geez, people, get a room already! You're going to scandalize the whores!

Magda stands around on deck. She realizes she'll have to confront someone or something to get her daughter back, but she's up for it. She'll do anything for her daughter.

Said daughter is having a private moment with one of Renato's shirts. One of the other maids busts her doing it. The other maid takes his shirt and stomps it into the floor so Rosenda will have to wash and iron it all over again. The two get into fight and start rolling around on the floor.

Arcadio is still beating the peasants, but Juan's older adopted brother (I think) brought a sword with him to work today. Renato comes riding up and reminds Arcadio that he'd already been warned. "How dare you disobey me." "You should ask Señora Leonarda that!" Oh, that sounds like an uncomfortable conversation.

Leonarda busts up the chick fight. Leo lumps Rosenda in with her mother, who left, and her father, who lies around doing nothing all day. The other maid claims that Rosenda messed up Renato's shirt because she doesn't want to do laundry anymore. Rosenda says that's not true and the other girl just hates her. They start shoving each other again. Leo tells the other maid to get back to work and then tells Rosenda to get out of her house and take her father with her. Rosenda says "I heard you, but I don't think you're serious, since my father knows a secret about you and it's worth a lot of money." Dum, dum, dum.

Rodrigo has had it with waiting for Aimee and says they're going out right now to find her. Federico's eyes bug out as a stumbling, disheveled Aimee trips down the stairs. Aimee's got a story ready, but she can't even tell it before Rodrigo is chewing her out and Federico is whining that he hasn't been introduced. She swoons and says she doesn't feel well. Rodrigo gets her into a chair. Finally, she is able to tell them that she felt so dizzy on the way over that she thought she was going to fall! She went back to the stateroom to rest for a while before she could try getting to dinner again. She asks for water. I can't tell if Regina is worried about her or wondering when she's going to get the real story.

Rosenda tells Leonarda that she can be a faithful ally to her, if Leo just gives her a chance. Rosenda thought bubbles that once she gets the secret out of her dad, she'll have Leo in her hands.

Federico reassures Aimee that once she gets used to being on the ship, she'll feel better. She tells Fed that Rodrigo was very fond of his parents and it's a pity they died young. Rodrigo says he's sure by the end of the journey they'll be really close and he can make arrangements for Federico to be like a part of the family. Fed wonders if that's ok with the girls. Regina's just been sitting there since Aimee came in looking slightly alarmed. Aimee says she and Reg are just thrilled to have him along…and maybe Regina is even more thrilled, hem, hem…being such a shy little thing. Aimee opines that they ought to just call each other "tu" and use Fed's first name, already. Rodrigo gives his permission, what with them all being young people, and asks Regina if it's ok with her. "Sure, dad, whatever you say." They toast again…except for Regina, who just looks like she's searching for an exit.

Renato tells Mommy that he doesn't like the way Arcadio runs things. He's cruel to the workers and it can't continue. Leonarda reminds him that they owe a lot to Arcadio and Renato explodes that they owe even more to the workers who are out there sweating every day. Leo laughs and calls him a dreamer, but he says he just wants to be a fair man. Leo realizes she's got a little bleeding-heart liberal on her hands and tries to hurriedly indoctrinate him, "The Montes de Oca blood runs in your veins, granting you the right to live like a king on this land, this land that is honored by you so much as setting foot on it!" Renato says he loves the land, not because he's the master, but because the earth is his mother. Woo hoo! Renato's a hippie! Renato doesn't want to fight with Leonarda, but he says he will if he has to.

Federico, Rodrigo, and the ladies are saying their farewells in the corridor. Aimee tells Fed that Regina was really fond of his conversation. This is hilarious because Regina isn't even looking at him. He agrees to see them all in the morning, kisses Aimee's hand, and then kisses Regina's as she avoids looking him in the eye. Rodrigo tells the girls that now that they've met Fed, they've noticed he's a perfect gentleman. Both girls smile, like they're thinking of a very imperfect gentleman. Yeah, given the apparent man shortage on that boat, I'd pick Juan over the Thpaniard any day. The accent alone drives me nuts.

Juan continues his solo therapy session in the mirror. "This is what they've turned you into!" We get a quick review of Juan's past. He remembers his adopted brother and declares that he'll always be his brother. He thought bubbles something about Leonarda.

Regina is writing at the desk in the girls' room when Aimee saunters in humming in that annoying way that people do when they want you to ask them why they're humming, but you don't want to give them the satisfaction of asking…or maybe it's just me. Aimee throws herself on the bed and Regina limits herself to saying "I forbid you from insinuating that I have any feelings for Federico." Really, is that all? Aimee tells her not to get mad, she's just trying to do something good for Regina. She thinks Regina needs a man, needs to be in love. Regina wonders why she thinks so. "So you're in love with someone, then?" Regina plays with her pendant, hello, Aimee, dead giveaway! She thought bubbles that she's totally in love with Renato, like, totally.

Leonarda finally offers to have a serious talk with Arcadio. Rosenda gets summoned so that Leonarda can prove what a kind, generous woman she is. She reminds Renato that Celestino has been sick for years and Leo has kept him on and seen to it that he's taken care of. And now she's extending that generosity to Rosenda by, uh, giving her a promotion? The ladies kiss on the cheek and Rosenda says she's promised to be Leo's most faithful servant. She extends the offer to Renato, to do whatever he wants. Leo frowns at her.

Both Rodrigo and Federico like the idea of joining the two families. Gag.

Aimee spends about a second and a half looking in a book (I won't even dignify it by calling it reading) before she shuts it and asks Regina why she's being so quiet. Uh, maybe because unlike you, not everyone feels like they have to be running their mouth constantly. Regina just gives her a look without answering. Aimee keeps asking her if she's in love, or what. Regina says it doesn't matter--what does is that she's not interested in Federico. Aimee keeps "reading" Madame Bovary. Regina says that's the prime example of an ambitious woman who would do anything for money and then ends up losing it because of her lack of morals. Aimee tells Regina that the hottie they met earlier doesn’t have a cent to his name. Regina is good at math. Aimee brags that they were together for a good long while. She gives herself a good feeling up, just to illustrate what a good time they had. Aimee says all she wants when she's around him is to be with him, etc. Regina is scandalized. Aimee reminds Regina that fire doesn't scare her off and that man claimed to be the very devil, Juan del Diablo. Aimee says she wants him and she's not going to give up.

Juan is back in his room reminiscing about Aimee. He thinks Aimee is just like him and that he'll make her his whatever the cost.

The next morning, Juan comes busting into the girls' room calling for Aimee, but he only finds Regina, who although she's mostly dressed, feels the need to grab something to cover up with. Juan grins.

Tomorrow: possibly more bodice-ripping on the high seas…er, minus the actual ripping of bodices.

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So, I had an auditon Saturday afternoon and as I'm waiting to be called and looking over the portion of the script I needed to perform, the thought entered my head "What would Yanez do?" Well, that cracked me up, because of course he'd just scream the whole paragraph at top volume. So then I moved on to thinking about how some of the novela actresses might do it and just dismissed the Yanez thought as silliness on my part.

Finally, I get in there and lo and behold, for half a hour the director had me going over it repeatedly, wanting more and more anger every time. I guess he wanted Yanez after all...who'd'a thunk it!

Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I didn't get a callback, which meant I was not having to scramble to get tonight's recap done :) It's all fodder for the tell-all.
 

Kat i am ROFL from the bow chika bow bow reference and the ho's have a table by themselves totally priceless.
 

Kat, I was LOL the entire time I read this! Hilarious. "suck face" was too funny along with nearly everything else. And you not being picked is their loss. You're such a fantastic recapper, I can only imagine how great your performances must be. :)
 

Thanks for the fun recap Kat! Speaking of sucking face, you really have to wonder what kind of lipstick they put on these actresses. None of the men ever seem to end up with lipstick on their collars or their faces.

I thought the scene with the revolver was a little weird. Juan sitting there shirtless and then Gabe comes up behind him, puts his hand on Juan's upper arm and leaves it there. Do guys do that?? Really? I kept thinking WTH?
 

Thanks for the recap Kat. That was very entertaining. That clipper must be sailing a bit slow that it did not leave Juan behind when he dove for the bag. There must also be a door down below because he emerged up the stairs a bit later.

Rosenda bluffed her way to a promotion with a fake blackmail. Just play your cards right and you won't get busted. I just loled at the catfight earlier.



Ibarramedia
 

Thanks, Kat. You were in fine form. Sorry the audition did not work out...their loss. Maybe next time use more Juan...get the old diablo in you. Ah yes, now we see Foppy Fed juxtaposed against The Noble Savage Juan. Fed reminds me of someone...Natalie Wood ?...Andre Rieu ???? This guy is looking for a rich wife. Isn't Aimee a little matchmaker trying to push Fed off on Regina because she herself doesn't want him ? Sisters sometimes do this. Renato seems like he may be giving mama some trouble now that he is all grown up. I'm still confused about Leo and the hulking bulk. Did they actually have congress ? If so, may I just say..blech.
 

Oh Kat, you've made my day! It's a mix of snow & rain in balmy CT this a.m. but you're a ray of sunshine! Had me laughing the whole way through...kudos!

OK, beanie on tight but can someone tell me when La Promesa became the Titanic? This is one big a$$ ship they're on, based on the size of the rooms.

Juan, please put a shirt on. I simply cannot get the Tarzan of the Seas image out of my head. (Mad Bess/Susanlynn: you scored with that tag! Toooooooo funny!) And WTH with the gun in the room? Jumping overboard for a pocketbook? Eating Aimee's face? Playing coy with the stringy hair in the face? Wearing the shark tooth necklace from the boardwalk souvenir shop?

Aimee's hips should be registered as a WMD.

How long before Rod wants to "lay some pipe" with the ho's?

Regina was fondling her camera. Hmmm...a little kinky, in my book.

But all in all, CS is a great way to end my day. Lots of laughs, intended or otherwise. And the best part is catching up with the Caray gang!

Maggarita
:-)

p.s. my verification word is "maten"....maybe we'll see a little of that tonight!
 

Juan is grossing me out. PUT ON A SHIRT. COMB THAT BIRDS NEST. And the dive into the ocean? Priceless. Just too funny.

At this point Sophia makes the acting of Aimee and Regina look really good. Oh noes, did I really say that?

However Renato is the saving grace, the only one I can take seriously at this point. Oh noes again! .. maybe we're just not supposed to take ANYONE seriously in this comedy.

Great recap .. thx!

Lola
 

Whoops, the other way around. The acting of Aimee/Regina makes the acting of Sophia look really good.

Lola
 

I've tried watching this a bit, despite liking EY, and drooling for Aracely, I don't think that it's working for me. Juan del Diablo (Ha!) jumping over the side of a moving ship (that must be half again as big as the Titanic, judging by the size of the rooms and passageways), retrieving a purse, and somehow swimming backand climbing on board. This is requiring a more powerful beanie than I have. I'll check back in when the plot has developed a bit
 

I am taking this novela as pure comedy. I can't count the number of times I laughed out loud during last night's episode. It seems that Televisa has switched things up. In the past, they started with their lighter comedy novelas and then worked their way up to the more serious stuff. Now we're going to start off with the serious drama (ENDA and then Mi Pecado), go a little lighter with some comedy (HQEDNS), and then end the evening with pure farce (CS). Now that I understand this, I can sit back and enjoy the silly fun.

Only two of the actors in this seem to believe they are in an actual dramatic/serious novela. Renato and Rosenda were the only two performances that seemed toned down and subtle. They need to step it up. Rosenda needs to stop giving Renato those subtle looks and sly double entendre come-ons, and start using Aimee's style of biting her lip, rolling her eyes and gasping every time the man she likes comes into the room. And Renato needs to go to the EY School of Dramatic Acting (but you don’t Kat) and ride into the fields on his horse, ripping off his shirt, and yelling about justice for his field workers.
 

Thanks, Kat, for another marvellous recap. I've given up on Corazón Salvaje (I'm staying with El Clon and the end of ENDA), but I wouldn't miss your recaps. They're much more enjoyable IMHO than the TN itself.
 

Great recap Kat! I didn't get to watch my recording last night and went to watch it on Youtube this morning and had trouble finding it. How frustrating! I could find videos on the old one but not this one. It sounds like I missed half-naked swimming. Ack!

Today is FC's birthday for those who want to know. (I only know because it is mine too!) Happy Birthday FC!
 

Happy Birthday Connie! Renato seem like a good noble guy. I wonder if Federico Martin Del Campo will be a bad guy Renato and Juan team up against. Rosenda is crafty enough to use balckmail on Leonarda, otherwise she and her miserable father would have been thrown out of the house. Noel has not been seen lately. The poor guy must be lonely, not even stopping by the Finca to visit. The industrial revolution has began and some hight tech stuff for that time are starting to emerge. Regina sure loves her Daguerotype camera. It is a bit too cumbersome though, to log that thing around.


Ibarramedia
 

Kat,thanks for the superb recap. And thanks to Aribeth and Ibarramedia for clarifying the timeline for me. So, Slutty and Prissy's gowns are ok for the 1880s, as far as the overall look, even if a few details are off.
There were bright colors back then, because chemical dyes had come into being. (OK, probably not fuschia and lime green together on a redhead.)

Loved the line about Prissy having the vapors and Juan carrying smelling salts for the girls exposed to his bare and brawny torso.

The ship does indeed seem larger inside than outside, with its Titanic-style dining salon. The moon seemed larger than normal, too. So, larger than life Juan should fit right in.
La Paloma
 

I think that moonlight and clouds and the full moon effect are a Mejia trademark and staple.

The little clipper does seem a bit bigger on the inside than on the outside. It does have a mini ballroom a la Titanic, but that was common for those clipper ships. 1875-80's saw the advent of steamships. Slow prodding steam ships similar to what was used in the Russo-Japanese war and Spanish-American war though they were at the turn of the century.

They were beyond Galleons and Man o wars but not quite into Ocean liner hotels like Titanic and Cunard ships.



Ibarramedia
 

¡Feliz cumpleaños, Connie! :)
 

Thanks for another hilarious recap, Kat. I especially liked your observation about people coming into the room humming, just waiting for you to ask why they're humming, which you have no intention of doing.

I think Federico said to himself that he had lost all his family's money, but he still had the good name. That's why he is cozying up to Rodrigo and his daughters.

Yes, Juan diving overboard and retrieving the purse was priceless.

Magda is so worried about being recognized by Rodrigo. But 1)she looks totally different now in her rich lady clothes, so Rodrigo probably wouldn't recognize her from 20 years ago, 2) she could repay him whatever she stole, 3) she could still use the fact that they had their afternoon delight to prevent him from saying anything, and 4) he doesn't have any proof anyway. I wonder how her meeting with Rosenda will go (probably not too badly - Rosenda hates her Dad, and the two of them can try to get Celestino to reveal the secret).
 

Kat: What a great title! A fun and highly entertaining recap, very well written (as always).

Your Gilmore Girls quote was fabulous. I hadn't heard it but a very typical Lorelei comment. Excellent!

I'm sorry you didn't get called back but you are so talented, I'm sure a wonderful part is on your horizon.

EY is my BLMOE and I'm enjoying the excursion tremendously. It's fun and the perfect escape from the murder and mayhem on ENDA. I do feel (and have said before) that I think EY is talented and would like to see him in something that showcases his abilities as well as his physique. Of course, not that I'm complaining about the physique :)

Diana
 

Kat i forgot to thank you earlier and sorry that you didn't get the role.Your Gilmore Girls quote from one of my all time favorite TV shows another priceless gem from you.

Vivi i think after Jarocha gave us the heads up on what to expect from this version i don't see why Univison can't put it on at the 7:00pm hour after ENDA ends on Sunday like you said it's a full fledged comedy anyway. For those he aren't getting it i'm being sarcastic.

Juanita ITA i'm sticking to the recaps and comments, i'm watching Perro Amor on Telemundo right now and it seems pretty good.


La Paloma be very careful Mejia just might turn the voyage into a Titanic or Posiedon adventure voyage i mean after all it is a Mejia production right.
 

Thanks so much for your recap. CS is the first novela I'm watching from the start, as I came in on Alborada and FELS late in the game. So glad I found this group. Must chime in about my telenovio EY. He can be quite versatile. Check out his work in the Punisher and guest stints on CSI Miami and Sleeper Cell.
 

A fantastic recap made completely epic by the inclusion of a Gilmore Girls quote! Definitely their loss at the audition, they'd be lucky to have you. ;)

This was one of "those" episodes where the recap was more enjoyable than the show. I didn't find it all that entertaining to watch Aimee and Juan try to swallow each other's tonsils for half an hour.
 

Great recap Kat. I love the spirit you add to your recaps. I'm having so much more fun reading your take on the episodes now than watching the episodes when Televisa aired them here.

By the way, I'm guessing this story is supposed to be in the early 1870's, between 1870 and 1872 because Rodrigo was reading a paper about Benito Juárez doing something in the presidency last episode and Juárez died in july 1872. Of course this puts Juan's age between 19-21, but remember all the beanies you are using for this novela.

Jarocha
 

I'm finally starting to get pulled into this one, so far I hadn't found it so interesting, but it's on at a good time for me and I need my espanol practice.

Funny recap, some great lines! Loved that Renato is a hippie! And, yes if you don't take it seriously, it is fun to watch.

So, there really were ships like that during that time period? I, too, had been thinking it looks too much like the Titanic, too modern and big.

I actually like Juan's long hair and tarzan look - I'm a sucker for that still being a hippie at heart myself.

Fed maybe reminds me of the young Gerard Depardieu slightly.
 

I am curious as to what "secret" Rosenda's father actually has on Leo. Does he know Maria is still alive and being held prisoner? That Maria's baby never died and Leo had him tossed away? That Leo's been doin' the nasty with Arcadio? All of these or is there something else?

When you actually think about it Leo's got a lot to hide. There are several people who know different secrets. Any number of people could blackmail her. Leo's actually actually gotten off easy, all things considered.
 

Brilliant Kat! Muchas gracias. I'm trying to imagine you channeling Yañez. Hah!

I'm with Vivi about this being pure comedy. It even looks like a comic book with the garish colors and broad strokes. I can almost visualize the dialog & sound effects in cartoon bubbles. It's about as simple-minded. But one thing, Kat. Thank you for your discussion of "me gustas". It's still one of those constructions I have to stop and make sure I'm translating correctly, and your clarification helped. ---AgnesNJ
 

This TN is so bad it's good. I am laughing throughout this one..The costumes, the dialog, the wigs, etc. The only reason I am watching this is...EY.(Tarzan in a bad wig!) If only he ate healthier when he worked out with his personal trainer, his body would be really cut!
I am so confused. Thank goodness for all of the recappers
 

Ivy and few other it is a clipper ship. Look at the sails. Just like the one in the Cutty Sark bottle.

Here is a similar ship:


http://library.thinkquest.org/17297/clipper.JPG

http://www.thepirateking.com/images/ships_clipper_dutch.jpg

This one below is a Mexican Clipper ship.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/oksana_popova/2588271380/


Here are more *Modern* ocean going ships. Let's start the evolution with the Titanic.

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/Images/titanic-movie-ship.jpg

The Queen Mary 2

http://www.sreweb.com/weekend_emails/march24/queenmary2.jpg

The Oasis of the seas.

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/uploads/image/OASISOF%20THE%20SEAS.jpg

Hope this helps.



Ibarramedia
 

I just saw on TV that Christian de La Fuente lost his house and an apartment in Chile. His family is ok thank god, but he looks so tired and sad, poor guy(remember that these actors don't make the same type of money that actors do in US). I hope the best for him and his family and all the people of Chile.

Jarocha
 

Jarocha, I commented on him being ok a few days ago. But it seems to have been ignored. Glad to know that he and his family are ok.



Ibarramedia
 

Jarocha i'm so glad to hear that Christian's family is safe, i was trying to remember when i read about him being from Chile and i think it was when he was on dancing with the stars. Houses and apartments can always be replaced but here's hoping that there is some relief efforts sent over there to help out also.He'll be in my prayers tonight too.
 

Loved the recap 5ft. I was ready to jump ship from this novela. Just too many beanies to adjust. However, I think I will hang on and see this one out just for pure comic entertainment. It seems there was quite of bit of Titanic influence on the La Promesa ship with the huge rooms and the dining area. Aimee even wore a red dress ala Kate Winslet with a similar hairstyle. I suppose the plot will really take off once all the principals are on dry land after their high seas adventure.
 

Jarocha:
"Of course this puts Juan's age between 19-21"

But he was already a big kid (9-10 years old) when the twins were born.

"Christian de La Fuente lost his house and an apartment in Chile"

Dios mío, poor man...
 

I've seen this episode months ago but I still can't put two and two together about 1. how Juan found that small purse in the ocean - by night, and 2. how he was able to climb back to the ship which was sailing full speed to Mexico.
I know, I know, suspension of disbelief. :-)
 

I thought Rosenda's dad was the one who tossed baby Juan away under Leo's orders.
 

Kat,
Hilarious. I love your recaps. Your style , humor, and biting wit make for delicious reading.

A couple of questions:

Why doesn't Juan put on a shirt? Does he have a skin condition of some sort?

Is he frickin' nuts shooting his pistol below deck in the middle of the ocean?

Carlos
 

Ibarramedia: He was working in México when the earthquake happened, his wife and daughter are here with him but the rest of his family was in Chile. He has managed to communicate with them using twitter because the phone lines are not working. He said that he is awaiting for a plane to go to Chile and the CS production is sending some help with him.


Aribeth: The story started on 1850 and Maria del Rosario's grave said she died in 1851, therefore we are clear that Juan was born in 1851. Benito Juárez died in 1872, that's why I said at the most Juan must be 21. If he was 8 when the twins were born and they were... say 18 now, then they would be in 1877 and that's already the begining of the Porfiriato (Porfirio Díaz's time on the presidency chair) with Juárez being already dead for 5 years. During this time (1876-1880) Diaz had troops on Veracruz to stop any revolution attempt (which did happen on june 1879).

Not only did Rodrigo read a paper about Benito Juárez doing stuff in the presidency but I doubt any rich man of the time would have gone to settle with his daughters in Veracruz during a time were there was so much tension and fear of a new war. It makes more sense that he went during Juárez's presidency, when the country was much more stable and Juárez had invested alot in Veracruz. Mexico would only be stable again until mid 1880's once Díaz had managed to control it completely.

Of course, there's not much sense needed for this novela.

Jarocha
 

Hola me buckos
I was wondering about the ship & had settled on a galleon. I'm sure they are taking commerce from Cadiz to Veracruz. From what I found, the voyage should take about 6 wks, baring storms, pirates etc.

In the the 1600's it took 2 to 4 mths, around 1840 with steamships, it took 3 wks.

¡arrgh!

¡shiver me timbers! the only thing this novela is good for is to get us to ck history, which I'm sure Mejia did not.

Why is Juan always ripping his clothes off? More Renato, ¡por favor!
 

Glad to hear the CS crew is being supportive of Cristian DLF. So glad his immediate family was with him in Mexico (see, CS served a purpose) and that the rest of his family seems to be safe.
 

Variopinta perhaps Mejia will thorw in a three hour tour ala Gilligan's island for good measure now wouldn't that add more to the comedy he has made of this novela anyway.
 

Can I ask you ladies a dumb question? Maybe i'm not the brightest lightbulb out here but what is the fixation with Pirates? Did it begin with Pasion? Or is it influenced by Pirates of the Carribean?

Does Juan become a pirate or a privateer here in Corazon Salvaje? I have not seen any indication of such. There would also be no need because he is now wealthy and is only preoccupied with revenge against the Montes De Oca Family. When I browsed through the Alborada recaps, there were no references about pirates in that period.

Sorry if I spoiled your fun.

Ibarramedia
 

Jarocha~~Thanks for the historical background..very interesting. Thanks also to everyone else who gave us some insight into the history of ships and such. Carlos [aka Bloody Jimmy Flynt] --The answers to your questions are 1] maybe and 2] si . Diana and Ivy~~We are on the same page about EY. Connie~~Happy Birthday Fernanda C`~Happy Birthday, Guaypo.
 

Whoops ! Pardonne moi ! That's FernandO C. , not Fernanda....Sorry..It's been a loooong day. [word I.D.: ''fad mance''...Do you think that's an attraction to the latest trends??]
 

Great explanation with the timeline Jarocha. Let me add my idea then I will combine our info either later or tomorrow.

1850 - Juan de Dios and Maria del Rosario get married.

1851 - Juan de Dios is born and Maria del Rosario supossedly dies.

1862 - Juan de Dios is 12 years old and has now had an experience at fishing. Renato is 7 years old. Aimee and Regina are 3 years old
Juan discovers his father.

1867 - Renato is now 12 years old. Aimee and Regina are both 8 years old. Juan de Dios Sr. dies.

1875 - Juan de Dios was 27 , Renato is 22. Aimee and Regina are both 18 years old. Sailing in a CLIPPER SHIP.


Ibarramedia
 

Hi Everyone! Some of you may remember me, some maybe not. I used to be a regular CarayCaray fan and former recapper last year. I had to drop out for awhile to study for the CLA examination which I passed! Now that life is back to normal, I'm enjoying novelas again! Well - trying to enjoy, that is. I'm still missing FC since the end of MEPS.

I was really looking forward to seeing CS because I've heard that the original was one of the best novelas of all time (with Eduardo Palomo and Edith Gonzalez). So far I don't know if I'll be able to stick with it though - EY is torture to watch! He was bad enough in FELS, but the big, stupid-ness almost fit the character he played. Now it's just PAINFUL!!! I'm not looking forward to the screaming and yelling - why doesn't someone tell him that not every novela needs that? Don't even get me started on the big giant-toothed grins! UGH.

But, on the bright side, I do love a good period novela with all the costumes, history, etc. So - I will give it CS some more time.

But, as always, the recappers are AWESOME and make the capitulos even better the next day!
 

Melissa, I came back and I'm glad I did! I've been dealing with aging parents and kind of dropped out for a while, But in the meantime, all these really great people joined up. If I start to mention names, I'll probably forget someone so I'll just leave it to you to discover them Plus all the old-timers/regulars. So, forget about how crappy the show is and hang in there with us.
 

Lady Xoc - What was your username before? I'm sorry, maybe I'm just having a mental block?

I so miss the camaraderie and all the LOL's provided by CarayCaray! I'm just so happy my life is back to it's regular hectic pace enough to enjoy it again.

Thanks for the welcome back!
 

PS to Melissa: I used to log in as AgnesNJ, but I have a new identity. i sometimes forget to sign as Agnes. But Lady Xoc is the main character on Lintel 25 at Yaxchilan. and her story is pretty fabulous, so I took the name before anybody else got it.
 

Oh Agnes of course I remember you! Gosh, I'm so out of the loop what is Lintel 25 at Yaxchilan - sounds interesting?
 

Duh! Just looked it up on Wikipedia - you're one of the most prominent Mayan princesses! Love it!
 

I love the Pirates of Carribean and Johhny Depp as Captain Jack Sparrow is a scream, everytime i watch the movies series i pick up something i missed the other times i watched it.The one thing that also makes me laugh is how Depp said he based his character on Keith Richards which makes me wonder does Keith Richards really act like that in real life.

As for pirates i love the old pirate movies with Errol Flynn and the cheesy Sinbad movies yeah they were bad but it's also like you guys are saying about CS.
 

I have a question and maybe Jarocha can answer it. If Salvador Mejia is so powerful in Televisa, Why the heck can't he get more sophisticated special effects? The ship with the very obvious fake ocean drove me nuts tonight. Can't he use his power and influence to get better stuff? Carla Estrada probably had a bigger operating budget.


Ibarramedia
 

Kat: I'm late reading this, but it was so damned funny! Thanks, amiga! You have the touch!
 

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