Thursday, August 12, 2010
El Clon Thursday August 12: Summary for Discussion
Right now there are two kinds of people in this novela: Those who, knowing Lucas or Diego, have seen Daniel; and those who have not. And the first group shouldn’t even bother trying to make themselves understood by the second group.
And so it is with Leonardo and Rosa and their futile attempts to make Lucas and Marisa understand what they have just experienced:
Diego was here, insists Leo:
Era Diego... bueno, puede no haber sido Diego, Diego -- pero era Diego.
It was Diego... well, it may be that it wasn't Diego, Diego – but it was Diego.
You mean he resembled Diego? suggests Marisa helpfully. No, no, says Leo, it’s as if you boys were triplets, not twins only the third one was born twenty years later. Lucas finally loses patience. This crazy idea has gone too far. And he is upset by the absurd idea that this younger brother has the same mother as he and Diego. Leo throws up his hands:
No puedo encontrar una explicación lógica con el parecido que tiene este muchacho contigo.
I can’t find a logical explanation for why this boy is so like you.
Daniel and Karla are still in bed together and he’s trying to explain what just happened at Casa Ferrer. The strangest thing, he says, is they called me Diego…
We are at Alejandro’s fight. His number one fan, Gloria, looking very Frida Kahlo, and his friends Pablo and Diana are happily cheering him on. We see their expressions change to sadness as it becomes evident that Alej is getting pounded.
Tío Alí has arrived at Mohamed and Latifa’s apartment. He is relieved to hear that Jade is out of danger and now back home being cared for by Zoraida. But he is concerned when Latifa tells him that, because of Rania’s indiscretion, Jadiya wants nothing to do with her mother. Latifa asks Alí to intervene but he demurs, “aunque me parta el corazón.” (although it breaks my heart.). He is not inclined to do anything that might be considered sinful because something very ominous has happened; and it is surely a sign from Allah:
He visto a un hombre que ha sido hecho en un laboratorio.
I have seen a man who was created in a laboratory.
Diana, Pablo and Alej are sharing a gloomy postmortem at Gloria’s. Look, says Alej, anyone can lose a fight. (Una pelea la pierde cualquiera.) You don’t have the luxury of losing a fight, points out Pablo. Because of Natalia’s problems, you’re in danger of throwing away your chances.
Gloria comes up to Alej and adds her voice to the chorus: Natalia and her drug problem are dragging you down. It’s time to get out of this relationship.
At another table at Gloria’s there is a small commotion. The Skank is feeling unwell – dizzy and nauseated. (Now she knows how the rest of us feel when she’s in a scene.) Hilda blames Gloria’s cooking. It’s a good thing Ramón is there to tell them: Es un embarazo. (It’s a pregnancy). Hilda, Karla and Gloria are momentarily stunned. Then Karla displays her amazing white dentition, full upper and lower. She and Hilda do a happy dance. Ramón joins in until Gloria gives him a warning swat on the shoulder.
Said is at home while the Naz rubs his feet. He tells her that he doesn’t regret his past decisions because he now has Jadiya; without her, his life would have no meaning. Rania lurks shadow-like in the background. She offers to order tea for Said and the Naz but they ignore her. She runs upstairs and complains to Amina. Amina doesn’t even need to look in The Little Witch’s Guide to Manipulating Others because she knows the contents by heart. She screams: ¡Rania se siente mal! (Rania feels sick!). And on cue, Rania poses herself on the floor, the picture of a suffering mother-to-be. Said rushes to her and offers to call a doctor, but it isn’t necessary. Rania begins to feel better immediately. (Her amazing recovery is not lost on the Naz.) No importa. Rania gets what she wants: Said’s promise to take care of her.
And elsewhere in Said’s house, Zoraida tells Jadiya that she can arrange for her to see her mother, even if she herself must risk getting punished with 80 azotes to do so. Don’t do it, says Jadiya. I don’t want her near here and that’s that.
Zoraida reports back to Jade, still confined to bed, that Jadiya refuses to see her. It’s Rania's fault for telling her, says Jade. But in the end, it’s all Lucas’s fault! Well I've buried Lucas. Don't tell me anything else about him, not even if I ask.
At Casa Ferrer, however, it's quite clear that Lucas can't stop thinking about Jade. For her part, Mama Rosa is stuck on Channel Diego. Meanwhile Enrique is with Leo and Marisa telling them all about reincarnation. Mama Rosa urges him to join them, but Lucas isn’t all that interested. (Remember, he’s still in the second group).
Dora and Cristina are being let out of their jail cells. They are both still fuming. (Okay, I guess we have to add a third group to explain Dora: People who know Daniel but not Lucas or Diego.) They set off for Leonardo’s house to clarify matters once and for all.
Lucia comes home to find her maid Rosario all comfy on the living room sofa, chatting on the phone about someone who is pregnant. Who's pregnant? asks Lucia. A girl I know through my niece, answers Rosario. I never liked her. (Score one point for Rosario). Rosario leaves and Lucia phones Roberto. His cell is turned off. She makes a second call to inquire about tracking people through their cell phone usage.
Malicia and Escobar are thrilled with how the new apartment looks now that it is furnished. He asks if she brought the papers for transferring ownership. Gosh, no, she prepared them but they are sitting in her office! Darn it all! Escobarde starts talking about how important the papers are, but she deftly distracts him. He has to leave for the clinic. When he is gone, she wipes off his kiss with obvious disgust, picks up the phone and calls Pablo. He answers and then says: You sound depressed. (Anyone else see this as the moment when Malicia takes full possession of the apartment and furnishings, locking out the little mouse from her nest and her life?)
Natalia and Paula are at the club, I think, and they are stoned out of their minds. Nati, looking like death not even warmed over, asks Paula to call Alej and tell him she’s in bad shape. Then she collapses on a bench. Paula makes the call. She catches Alej in the middle of his workout but he drops everything to run to her despite his trainer's disapproval.
At Empresas Ferrer, Leo and Amalia are all business, finishing up her book project. Suddenly he puts the professional mask aside and asks her if they can stop quarreling. We’re not fighting, she says. We’re done. I’m not willing to be second to Cristina in your life. Leo starts to tell her that Cris hasn’t been a part of his life for a long while. And then with perfect timing – Hurricane Cristina comes blowing in.
Cristina is there with the proof that Leo betrayed her. Amalia wisely takes this opportunity to make her escape. Enter Dora.
Leo: ¡Yo nunca en mi vida he visto a esta mujer! (I’ve never seen this woman in my life.)
Dora: I got pregnant by artificial insemination. Even I don’t know who the father is.
These answers don’t satisfy Cris. She wants Dora to meet Lucas. That will make everything clear.
Alej has rushed to Nati’s side. He sees how bad she looks and wants to take her to the hospital. No, she says. They'd arrest me.
Cut to Enrique and his psychiatrist: He is talking about loss. Worse than material losses were the personal ones:
Los amigos se cansan, las familias se cansan, los amores se cansan.
Friends get tired/ fed up, families get tired, lovers get tired.
And Alej does look weary as he revives Natalia under the shower and then tucks her into bed.
Rosa, Lucas and Marisa continue their conversation at Casa Ferrer. Lucas (group 2) says if he turns out to have another brother, he would welcome him. Marisa (group 2) says the worst part of all this is that Leo is starting to believe in reincarnation. Rosa (group 1) is getting a little testy at their refusal to acknowledge a miracle.
Vicki decides to visit her friend Cris at her apartment. Vengo en son de paz (I come in peace. Literally, I come in sound of peace) she calls out as she walks in. Instead of Cris, she comes face to face with Daniel. Lucas??? she asks. He tells her Cristina brought him here from Morocco. Then it dawns on Vicki:
Entonces -- ¡eres Daniel, el hijo de Dora!
Then – you’re Daniel, Dora’s son!
And Vicki, bless her heart, impactada though she may be, does not faint.
The Naz and Said are chatting at his place. They are planning a party for Jadiya. She has a new look: a more grown-up hair style, an attractive, traditional dress. When she is out of earshot, the Naz remarks that Jadiya is suffering without her mother. Time will erase Jade from her memory, says Said.
We have just a brief image of Jade’s face, a tear-stained mask of tragedy.
Luisa is at home. She seems to have misplaced Albi again.
Albieri is, in fact, in Padre Andres’s church. He is ready to tell the truth. He didn’t destroy his creature (criatura). Andres is horrified. Everyone will be afraid of a human clone, predicts Andres. Everyone will be watching him for signs of his being less than human. Albieri dismisses those concerns. Every great scientific advance has been met with fear and skepticism, he says, but in time people come to understand that it is a good thing. So it will be with human cloning. No, says Andres. Remember what happened to Dr. Frankenstein: His creature rebelled against the master; he pursued him and he killed him. It’s too late to reverse what I’ve done, says Albieri. The clone I created – is Daniel!
And Vicki, back in Cris’s apartment with Daniel, says she now understands the reason for the way her friend has been acting.
The final scene tonight takes place in Leo’s office at Empresas Ferrer where he, Dora, and Cristina have a conversation that begins to get at the truth. Leo realizes that Daniel is actually Cristina and Albieri’s godson. And then, finally, Lucas joins them. Dora stares at him in disbelief. ¡Ahora niégalo! (Now try and deny it!) says Cris triumphantly (if wrongheadedly).
Credits roll.
And so it is with Leonardo and Rosa and their futile attempts to make Lucas and Marisa understand what they have just experienced:
Diego was here, insists Leo:
Era Diego... bueno, puede no haber sido Diego, Diego -- pero era Diego.
It was Diego... well, it may be that it wasn't Diego, Diego – but it was Diego.
You mean he resembled Diego? suggests Marisa helpfully. No, no, says Leo, it’s as if you boys were triplets, not twins only the third one was born twenty years later. Lucas finally loses patience. This crazy idea has gone too far. And he is upset by the absurd idea that this younger brother has the same mother as he and Diego. Leo throws up his hands:
No puedo encontrar una explicación lógica con el parecido que tiene este muchacho contigo.
I can’t find a logical explanation for why this boy is so like you.
Daniel and Karla are still in bed together and he’s trying to explain what just happened at Casa Ferrer. The strangest thing, he says, is they called me Diego…
We are at Alejandro’s fight. His number one fan, Gloria, looking very Frida Kahlo, and his friends Pablo and Diana are happily cheering him on. We see their expressions change to sadness as it becomes evident that Alej is getting pounded.
Tío Alí has arrived at Mohamed and Latifa’s apartment. He is relieved to hear that Jade is out of danger and now back home being cared for by Zoraida. But he is concerned when Latifa tells him that, because of Rania’s indiscretion, Jadiya wants nothing to do with her mother. Latifa asks Alí to intervene but he demurs, “aunque me parta el corazón.” (although it breaks my heart.). He is not inclined to do anything that might be considered sinful because something very ominous has happened; and it is surely a sign from Allah:
He visto a un hombre que ha sido hecho en un laboratorio.
I have seen a man who was created in a laboratory.
Diana, Pablo and Alej are sharing a gloomy postmortem at Gloria’s. Look, says Alej, anyone can lose a fight. (Una pelea la pierde cualquiera.) You don’t have the luxury of losing a fight, points out Pablo. Because of Natalia’s problems, you’re in danger of throwing away your chances.
Gloria comes up to Alej and adds her voice to the chorus: Natalia and her drug problem are dragging you down. It’s time to get out of this relationship.
At another table at Gloria’s there is a small commotion. The Skank is feeling unwell – dizzy and nauseated. (Now she knows how the rest of us feel when she’s in a scene.) Hilda blames Gloria’s cooking. It’s a good thing Ramón is there to tell them: Es un embarazo. (It’s a pregnancy). Hilda, Karla and Gloria are momentarily stunned. Then Karla displays her amazing white dentition, full upper and lower. She and Hilda do a happy dance. Ramón joins in until Gloria gives him a warning swat on the shoulder.
Said is at home while the Naz rubs his feet. He tells her that he doesn’t regret his past decisions because he now has Jadiya; without her, his life would have no meaning. Rania lurks shadow-like in the background. She offers to order tea for Said and the Naz but they ignore her. She runs upstairs and complains to Amina. Amina doesn’t even need to look in The Little Witch’s Guide to Manipulating Others because she knows the contents by heart. She screams: ¡Rania se siente mal! (Rania feels sick!). And on cue, Rania poses herself on the floor, the picture of a suffering mother-to-be. Said rushes to her and offers to call a doctor, but it isn’t necessary. Rania begins to feel better immediately. (Her amazing recovery is not lost on the Naz.) No importa. Rania gets what she wants: Said’s promise to take care of her.
And elsewhere in Said’s house, Zoraida tells Jadiya that she can arrange for her to see her mother, even if she herself must risk getting punished with 80 azotes to do so. Don’t do it, says Jadiya. I don’t want her near here and that’s that.
Zoraida reports back to Jade, still confined to bed, that Jadiya refuses to see her. It’s Rania's fault for telling her, says Jade. But in the end, it’s all Lucas’s fault! Well I've buried Lucas. Don't tell me anything else about him, not even if I ask.
At Casa Ferrer, however, it's quite clear that Lucas can't stop thinking about Jade. For her part, Mama Rosa is stuck on Channel Diego. Meanwhile Enrique is with Leo and Marisa telling them all about reincarnation. Mama Rosa urges him to join them, but Lucas isn’t all that interested. (Remember, he’s still in the second group).
Dora and Cristina are being let out of their jail cells. They are both still fuming. (Okay, I guess we have to add a third group to explain Dora: People who know Daniel but not Lucas or Diego.) They set off for Leonardo’s house to clarify matters once and for all.
Lucia comes home to find her maid Rosario all comfy on the living room sofa, chatting on the phone about someone who is pregnant. Who's pregnant? asks Lucia. A girl I know through my niece, answers Rosario. I never liked her. (Score one point for Rosario). Rosario leaves and Lucia phones Roberto. His cell is turned off. She makes a second call to inquire about tracking people through their cell phone usage.
Malicia and Escobar are thrilled with how the new apartment looks now that it is furnished. He asks if she brought the papers for transferring ownership. Gosh, no, she prepared them but they are sitting in her office! Darn it all! Escobarde starts talking about how important the papers are, but she deftly distracts him. He has to leave for the clinic. When he is gone, she wipes off his kiss with obvious disgust, picks up the phone and calls Pablo. He answers and then says: You sound depressed. (Anyone else see this as the moment when Malicia takes full possession of the apartment and furnishings, locking out the little mouse from her nest and her life?)
Natalia and Paula are at the club, I think, and they are stoned out of their minds. Nati, looking like death not even warmed over, asks Paula to call Alej and tell him she’s in bad shape. Then she collapses on a bench. Paula makes the call. She catches Alej in the middle of his workout but he drops everything to run to her despite his trainer's disapproval.
At Empresas Ferrer, Leo and Amalia are all business, finishing up her book project. Suddenly he puts the professional mask aside and asks her if they can stop quarreling. We’re not fighting, she says. We’re done. I’m not willing to be second to Cristina in your life. Leo starts to tell her that Cris hasn’t been a part of his life for a long while. And then with perfect timing – Hurricane Cristina comes blowing in.
Cristina is there with the proof that Leo betrayed her. Amalia wisely takes this opportunity to make her escape. Enter Dora.
Leo: ¡Yo nunca en mi vida he visto a esta mujer! (I’ve never seen this woman in my life.)
Dora: I got pregnant by artificial insemination. Even I don’t know who the father is.
These answers don’t satisfy Cris. She wants Dora to meet Lucas. That will make everything clear.
Alej has rushed to Nati’s side. He sees how bad she looks and wants to take her to the hospital. No, she says. They'd arrest me.
Cut to Enrique and his psychiatrist: He is talking about loss. Worse than material losses were the personal ones:
Los amigos se cansan, las familias se cansan, los amores se cansan.
Friends get tired/ fed up, families get tired, lovers get tired.
And Alej does look weary as he revives Natalia under the shower and then tucks her into bed.
Rosa, Lucas and Marisa continue their conversation at Casa Ferrer. Lucas (group 2) says if he turns out to have another brother, he would welcome him. Marisa (group 2) says the worst part of all this is that Leo is starting to believe in reincarnation. Rosa (group 1) is getting a little testy at their refusal to acknowledge a miracle.
Vicki decides to visit her friend Cris at her apartment. Vengo en son de paz (I come in peace. Literally, I come in sound of peace) she calls out as she walks in. Instead of Cris, she comes face to face with Daniel. Lucas??? she asks. He tells her Cristina brought him here from Morocco. Then it dawns on Vicki:
Entonces -- ¡eres Daniel, el hijo de Dora!
Then – you’re Daniel, Dora’s son!
And Vicki, bless her heart, impactada though she may be, does not faint.
The Naz and Said are chatting at his place. They are planning a party for Jadiya. She has a new look: a more grown-up hair style, an attractive, traditional dress. When she is out of earshot, the Naz remarks that Jadiya is suffering without her mother. Time will erase Jade from her memory, says Said.
We have just a brief image of Jade’s face, a tear-stained mask of tragedy.
Luisa is at home. She seems to have misplaced Albi again.
Albieri is, in fact, in Padre Andres’s church. He is ready to tell the truth. He didn’t destroy his creature (criatura). Andres is horrified. Everyone will be afraid of a human clone, predicts Andres. Everyone will be watching him for signs of his being less than human. Albieri dismisses those concerns. Every great scientific advance has been met with fear and skepticism, he says, but in time people come to understand that it is a good thing. So it will be with human cloning. No, says Andres. Remember what happened to Dr. Frankenstein: His creature rebelled against the master; he pursued him and he killed him. It’s too late to reverse what I’ve done, says Albieri. The clone I created – is Daniel!
And Vicki, back in Cris’s apartment with Daniel, says she now understands the reason for the way her friend has been acting.
The final scene tonight takes place in Leo’s office at Empresas Ferrer where he, Dora, and Cristina have a conversation that begins to get at the truth. Leo realizes that Daniel is actually Cristina and Albieri’s godson. And then, finally, Lucas joins them. Dora stares at him in disbelief. ¡Ahora niégalo! (Now try and deny it!) says Cris triumphantly (if wrongheadedly).
Credits roll.
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Thanks NovelaMaven, for the fun and useful summary tonight and Tuesday night, and likewise novelera for a funny and well-written guest summary on Wednesday. And thanks to all the commenters for some shrewd and interesting comments on the previous two episodes! I have intermittent internet access and no Telemundo for a few more episodes, so I can't comment regularly, but I'm following along.
Hurricane Cristina has been all over the place. At first it seemed like a false warning when she approached Leo very coolly. But after that first encounter she has been hitting hard, hard enough to be taken away by the Florida Keystone Cops. And she apparently didn't talk to Dora for however long they were locked up.
Is it just me, or is it weird that Nazira was giving Said a foot massage, for several reasons? And was Said the only one who didn't expect Rania's "think of the baby" trick?
By the way NovelaMaven, I thought Nati's reason for not going to the hospital was that she didn't want to be arrested ("me arrestan"), not that she needed to rest. I think she was admitting she did something wrong.
Hurricane Cristina has been all over the place. At first it seemed like a false warning when she approached Leo very coolly. But after that first encounter she has been hitting hard, hard enough to be taken away by the Florida Keystone Cops. And she apparently didn't talk to Dora for however long they were locked up.
Is it just me, or is it weird that Nazira was giving Said a foot massage, for several reasons? And was Said the only one who didn't expect Rania's "think of the baby" trick?
By the way NovelaMaven, I thought Nati's reason for not going to the hospital was that she didn't want to be arrested ("me arrestan"), not that she needed to rest. I think she was admitting she did something wrong.
Thanks Novela Maven for another great recap! I am eager to see the actual episode.
I sure hope that sKank1, Karla, isn't preggers due to the success of Consuelo's scheme. The sKanks are the comic relief in this novela.and I can't believe they could pull something like that off.
I like your division of the cast into groups. Group 2 will get smaller and smaller.
It's helpful that the same actor is playing Lucas and Daniel. I'm not sure that if someone who looked like me when I was 20 turned up, anyone would notice especially.
I sure hope that sKank1, Karla, isn't preggers due to the success of Consuelo's scheme. The sKanks are the comic relief in this novela.and I can't believe they could pull something like that off.
I like your division of the cast into groups. Group 2 will get smaller and smaller.
It's helpful that the same actor is playing Lucas and Daniel. I'm not sure that if someone who looked like me when I was 20 turned up, anyone would notice especially.
Thanks, NovelaMaven. Such a well-written (dare I say it?) recap. Especially liked your snark about how we share Karla's symptoms every time she appears.
I'm right there with you about Malicia. When she picked up the phone, I thought she was going to call a locksmith - not Pablo. She can't stall many more episodes about the papeles. Now she's got the deed and the furniture. Ratoncito sure appears to me to be history for her.
It's sad to see Alej throwing everything away for Natalia. He doesn't seem to be anywhere near giving up on her.
Loved "The Little Witch's Guide". Amina is probably not important enough to merit an anvil, unless her continued spinsterhood can be considered to be one. But I'd sure like some karma for her.
The writers have gone to great lengths to make Jade so unlikeable now that I'm almost ready to >>>FF>> every time they show that hospital bed. And we're not getting enough of Zein to suit me!
Yes, Luke, Nati did tell Alej that she didn't want to go to the hospital because they'd arrest her. She knows what's caused her symptoms and the toxicology report would surely reveal it.
I'm so with you, Jean, about the likelihood of anyone recognizing me in a 20 year old clone of me!
I'm right there with you about Malicia. When she picked up the phone, I thought she was going to call a locksmith - not Pablo. She can't stall many more episodes about the papeles. Now she's got the deed and the furniture. Ratoncito sure appears to me to be history for her.
It's sad to see Alej throwing everything away for Natalia. He doesn't seem to be anywhere near giving up on her.
Loved "The Little Witch's Guide". Amina is probably not important enough to merit an anvil, unless her continued spinsterhood can be considered to be one. But I'd sure like some karma for her.
The writers have gone to great lengths to make Jade so unlikeable now that I'm almost ready to >>>FF>> every time they show that hospital bed. And we're not getting enough of Zein to suit me!
Yes, Luke, Nati did tell Alej that she didn't want to go to the hospital because they'd arrest her. She knows what's caused her symptoms and the toxicology report would surely reveal it.
I'm so with you, Jean, about the likelihood of anyone recognizing me in a 20 year old clone of me!
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: Friday, August 13, 2010 at 12:58:00 PM EDT
: Friday, August 13, 2010 at 12:58:00 PM EDT
Great recap & comments make me hope to watch the tape today, but my husband and I volunteer Fridays to work in the office of our congressman, Raul Grijalva. At least I'll here some Spanish there!
I'm feeling bad about Jade's attitude. I've always, until now, really like her and sort of understood her. Now I worry. Am sure she and Lucas end up together, but it will happen only through Lucas's abilities to corral Jade recent nastiness.
Long time back, I suggested Alej and Nati's blond friend (Andrea?) would be a good couple. Nati has gotten on my last nerve.
Have a good weekend all. See you back here Tuesday morning. Lois
I'm feeling bad about Jade's attitude. I've always, until now, really like her and sort of understood her. Now I worry. Am sure she and Lucas end up together, but it will happen only through Lucas's abilities to corral Jade recent nastiness.
Long time back, I suggested Alej and Nati's blond friend (Andrea?) would be a good couple. Nati has gotten on my last nerve.
Have a good weekend all. See you back here Tuesday morning. Lois
Permalink posted by : Friday, August 13, 2010 at 1:31:00 PM EDT
: Friday, August 13, 2010 at 1:31:00 PM EDT
I know - why can't we get more of Zein?
Permalink posted by : Friday, August 13, 2010 at 1:31:00 PM EDT
: Friday, August 13, 2010 at 1:31:00 PM EDT
Luke and Novelera,
Thanks for the clarification. I corrected the text.
Luke, about the foot massage scene -- I agree that it's a tad weird but I didn't remark on it because this isn't the first time we've seen this. At least once before, there was a similar scene, that time in their family house in Fez.
Jean, good point. In real life, most of us change pretty significantly between age 20 and age 40. But if you live in a telenovela, all that happens after two decades is you get to wear slightly dorky reading glasses, change your hair style a bit...y listo! On the other hand, you can start out as the Aztec baby and within a few years morph into an unrecognizable whitebread escuincle. Go figure.
Thanks for the clarification. I corrected the text.
Luke, about the foot massage scene -- I agree that it's a tad weird but I didn't remark on it because this isn't the first time we've seen this. At least once before, there was a similar scene, that time in their family house in Fez.
Jean, good point. In real life, most of us change pretty significantly between age 20 and age 40. But if you live in a telenovela, all that happens after two decades is you get to wear slightly dorky reading glasses, change your hair style a bit...y listo! On the other hand, you can start out as the Aztec baby and within a few years morph into an unrecognizable whitebread escuincle. Go figure.
NovelaMaven excellent job on this recap.
The more people who are exposed to Daniel the more good this novela gets.
The priest reaction to Albieri telling him that Daniel is a clone priceless, he is indeed Dr.Frankenstein and his monster will probably turn on him once he learns the full truth.
I'm surprised Dora didn't faint when she came face to face with Lucas. Tonight is going to be real good.
I agree about feeling the same symptoms for Karla, the possibility that she is pregnant with Daniel baby is high isn't it? Is it possible at all to get pregnant from a man who has had a vasectomy?
My question why doesn't anyone think that Daniel could be the son of Diego instead what each and everyone who has seen him is thinking about him right now?
The more people who are exposed to Daniel the more good this novela gets.
The priest reaction to Albieri telling him that Daniel is a clone priceless, he is indeed Dr.Frankenstein and his monster will probably turn on him once he learns the full truth.
I'm surprised Dora didn't faint when she came face to face with Lucas. Tonight is going to be real good.
I agree about feeling the same symptoms for Karla, the possibility that she is pregnant with Daniel baby is high isn't it? Is it possible at all to get pregnant from a man who has had a vasectomy?
My question why doesn't anyone think that Daniel could be the son of Diego instead what each and everyone who has seen him is thinking about him right now?
Permalink posted by : Friday, August 13, 2010 at 2:24:00 PM EDT
: Friday, August 13, 2010 at 2:24:00 PM EDT
NovelaMaven, Along with everyone, thank you for another excellent recap. Hubby and I continue to enjoy your asides, e.g. Gloria looking very Frida Kahlo, groups who know Daniel versus those don’t and, especially, Luisa seems to have misplaced Albi again – too funny. Would you all agree that the actor playing Alejandro is now in his element with his acting skills? He has such an expressive face, way more than I anticipated when I first saw him, looking so uncomfortable in the Ferrer’s sala. Of course this proves “one should never judge a book by its cover.” Like his mother, Alejandro, is tough but with a heart of gold.
Elizabeth
Elizabeth
Permalink posted by : Friday, August 13, 2010 at 2:27:00 PM EDT
: Friday, August 13, 2010 at 2:27:00 PM EDT
Thanks, NovelaMaven, for yet another fabulous recap! Alas, by the time I got here, other people had already called attention to the two bits of snark I liked best--about Karla's nausea "(Now she knows how the rest of us feel when she’s in a scene.)" and the bit about Luisa again misplacing Albieri. I don't know how you keep coming up with such great lines, but I'm delighted you do!
Speaking of Albieri, am I the only one who found his speech to the priest somewhat convincing? I mean, it's true that many technological developments were rejected and even treated with horror when they first appeared--artificial insemination, heart transplants, test-tube babies, to name the three cited by Albieri. And now, for the most part, these technologies are accepted, and many people are grateful to have them. In contrast to these very real examples, the priest cites the fictional story of Dr. Frankenstein. I'm not a proponent of human cloning, but I'd give this round to Albieri.
Speaking of Albieri, am I the only one who found his speech to the priest somewhat convincing? I mean, it's true that many technological developments were rejected and even treated with horror when they first appeared--artificial insemination, heart transplants, test-tube babies, to name the three cited by Albieri. And now, for the most part, these technologies are accepted, and many people are grateful to have them. In contrast to these very real examples, the priest cites the fictional story of Dr. Frankenstein. I'm not a proponent of human cloning, but I'd give this round to Albieri.
Blusamarai, we don't know that Roberto had a vasectomy. We were speculating that it might be funny if Karla and Hilda claimed she was pregnant by him when he'd had that done. I'm pretty sure it's a miracle if a man impregnates someone after a vasectomy. Some men, perhaps after a second marriage, have surgery (not always successful) to hook the plumbing back up.
Permalink posted by : Friday, August 13, 2010 at 4:35:00 PM EDT
: Friday, August 13, 2010 at 4:35:00 PM EDT
Thanks Novelera for letting me know about Roberto, my question if he hasn't been cut down there. How the heck is it even remotely possible they can get any type of sample from what's left over on their bed sheets? Am i over thinking this part of that plot i should just suspend all intelligence on this matter? Because if this is really possible and can be done their are a lot of women like Karla who would be taking notes from this.
Permalink posted by : Friday, August 13, 2010 at 5:06:00 PM EDT
: Friday, August 13, 2010 at 5:06:00 PM EDT
Blusamurai: Good point about Diego being a good suspect for Daniel's father. I know Cris wouldn't think this because she only thinks of her Leoncito, but on the plausibility scale of bad explanations for "Cloniel", your explanation is better than hers.
And on what's going on with Karla and Roberto, I don't think we have enough information to figure it out, so I'm withholding judgement.
Juanita: I think Albieri was right that a lot of technological advances were feared that are now commonplace, but I think the sort of cloning he did is different. It raises moral issues not raised by transplantation and reproductive therapy. I think anything that can be convincingly portrayed as medical treatment can become acceptable to most Westerners. On the other hand, cloning is intentionally bringing someone into existence in an bad situation: perhaps with a greater chance of defects (which was Albieri's initial worry), and perhaps with no real family (in the social, if not biological sense, as in Daniel's case). Although there are people born into such situations the old-fashioned way, it seems worse to intentionally create someone who will have these problems. And it's at least weird and disrespectful to make someone in the image of someone else. (Salvador Dalí claimed his parents had a child before him named Salvador, who died, and that the Salvador we know was the reincarnation of his brother. That's wrong in a similar way.) In other words, what Albieri did was wrong because he wronged Daniel (if not for other reasons too). I think this makes Albieri-style cloning morally different from those other things that have become accepted. Maybe with restrictions it wouldn't have those bad effects, and there are other cloning technologies (like cloning organs) that don't raise the same moral problems, but I think Albieri's friends are right to object (although I don't share their reasons).
And on what's going on with Karla and Roberto, I don't think we have enough information to figure it out, so I'm withholding judgement.
Juanita: I think Albieri was right that a lot of technological advances were feared that are now commonplace, but I think the sort of cloning he did is different. It raises moral issues not raised by transplantation and reproductive therapy. I think anything that can be convincingly portrayed as medical treatment can become acceptable to most Westerners. On the other hand, cloning is intentionally bringing someone into existence in an bad situation: perhaps with a greater chance of defects (which was Albieri's initial worry), and perhaps with no real family (in the social, if not biological sense, as in Daniel's case). Although there are people born into such situations the old-fashioned way, it seems worse to intentionally create someone who will have these problems. And it's at least weird and disrespectful to make someone in the image of someone else. (Salvador Dalí claimed his parents had a child before him named Salvador, who died, and that the Salvador we know was the reincarnation of his brother. That's wrong in a similar way.) In other words, what Albieri did was wrong because he wronged Daniel (if not for other reasons too). I think this makes Albieri-style cloning morally different from those other things that have become accepted. Maybe with restrictions it wouldn't have those bad effects, and there are other cloning technologies (like cloning organs) that don't raise the same moral problems, but I think Albieri's friends are right to object (although I don't share their reasons).
Luke, thanks for your very interesting and thoughtful response. Basically, I agree with you, which is why I said that I'm not a proponent of cloning. Though I do remember when each of the technologies Albieri mentioned were first introduced, and people felt VERY uncomfortable about them as well and what they boded for the future. I simply felt that in the conversation with the priest, I felt more convinced by Albieri's arguments than by the priest's citing a fictional story.
Juanita: you're right that Frankenstein doesn't exactly establish a binding precedent for the case of Daniel, so Father Andrés's argument wasn't really so good. On the other hand, the Frankenstein/Prometheus story has become a cliché in science fiction, to the point that some people consider it a rule that the creations of mad or misguided scientists always rebel. So the show's writers might have thought Andrés's argument is good within the not-too-distant scifi world of El Clon. But that's probably not a very convincing defense. :)
How about some trivia? Zoraida calls Albieri an "evil genie." The English word "genie" comes from "genius", which meant a spirit, especially one influencing human affairs. (The good and bad spirits/angels said to follow one around were called one's good and evil genii (geniuses).) So Zoraida thinks he's an "evil genius" in the old sense, but really he's an "evil genius" in the current sense.
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How about some trivia? Zoraida calls Albieri an "evil genie." The English word "genie" comes from "genius", which meant a spirit, especially one influencing human affairs. (The good and bad spirits/angels said to follow one around were called one's good and evil genii (geniuses).) So Zoraida thinks he's an "evil genius" in the old sense, but really he's an "evil genius" in the current sense.
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