Friday, February 25, 2011
La Fea Más Bella #229-230 2/25/11 Falling Into the Pit.
Capitulo 229.
Read Chapel Hill Fiddler’s original recap, then come back here to discuss it.
1. Omar tells Lety Aldo left. Lety rebukes Omar for disobeying her. Her parents tell her to ease up. Meanwhile Aldo tells Tom he can’t leave without the contract. Once again Tom realizes he spilled the beans and his loose tongue will be discovered, this time when Aldo talks to Lety.
2. Aldo says Tom shouldn’t have told because he didn’t want Lety involved in the conflict (maybe he didn’t want her to get any hints of Fernando’s jealousy?). Then Aldo turns on the charm. “We’re good friends, right? So I don’t authorize you to say anything.” IOW, you should be more loyal to me than to your casi-sister.
3. Aldo shows up. RoboPop glares at Omar and says, “What are you trying to do, sabotage my daughter?” Omar follows Lety and Aldo to San Miguel Regla (SMR). MamaJ is about to nominate Aldo for sainthood, and Tom promotes him to Erasmo as well. Pop distrusts any man who gets close to Lety, and Mama is sure he will always respect Lety.
4. Carla flirts with Fern. I think she suggests skinny dipping. Fern calls Omar who says Aldo left and Lety’s at the office. Fern is sure he’s lying. Carla gets jealous of Fern’s phone and wants him to chuck it. Carla: The world won’t let you live. Fern: The world will, but not Lety, and she’s bigger than the world. Carla: I’ll show you that the world is bigger than Lety. Carla hears Fern tell Omar he’s profoundly in love with Lety.
5. The cuartel watches an RBD music video. Whyyy?
6. Fern and Carla are horsing around. They fall and she says she hurt her ankle, and she milks it for all it’s worth. Fern discovers that Lety went to SMR with Aldo. He throws a fit, and in a panic he wants to take the next flight south. Carla tells him, “Even if Lety was worth it, she went with someone else.. What can you do, beg?”
7. Aldo asserts that Lety came on the trip to bother Fern. She says with Aldo, she feels peaceful and happy. Don Laura won’t be back until morning. Aldo says they should celebrate that they met. Life put them alone together for a reason, and they should take advantage of it. He reminds her of his love. She reminds him that she’s not free to fall in love yet. Maybe one day.
Capitulo 230.
Read Amanda’s original recap, then come back here to discuss it.
1. Aldo asks RoboPop what to do since Don Lauro won’t meet them until morning. Pop says they should stay there, but behave. Pop likes Aldo and thinks they’re alike. (Tu servidor recapper thinks Aldo is like tofu: he takes on the flavor of whatever he’s with.)
2. Carla asks Fern about Lety. He tells how wonderful she is, and he admits that he treated her badly and made her suffer a lot. Carla says Lety must not love Aldo, or she’d spend the night at SMR. Fern applauds Carla’s brilliance, and he says he feels that Lety loves him. But then Omar reports that Aldo and Lety went into the same cabin together. Fern excuses himself to go grieve.
3. Karla calls her ex-husband to tell him she met a wonderful man, except for two “pero’s”: he’s in love with a beautiful woman, and he’s emotionally unstable. She intends to cure him for herself, like buying a fixer-upper.
4. Fernando has his soliloquy in Times Square. “What am I doing here, d@mn it? With so many people, and I feel so alone. If the billboards could speak, at least they could tell me something. The worst of all, Fernando, is that it’s all your fault. Aldo appeared, and you sent Lety directly into his arms. The fault is all yours. And for my fault, Lety is in a hotel with him.”
5. Omar watches through the curtains. Aldo gets Lety to dance close in front of the fire despite her protests, then they end up nose to nose. He almost kisses her but she pulls away. She admits that she wants to kiss him, but she can’t betray her emotions.
6. After Omar’s report, Fern says to himself, “Only God knows how much it will hurt me if you and Aldo end up loving each other like I love you.” He imagines her in a billboard and says, “Oh, Lety, I would like to dream about you/sleep with you for the rest of my life.” Carla shows up and he tells her, literally, “I don’t know how long/how far I’ll have Lety like this.” Carla answers, “As much as you permit it.”
7. Lety says she only wanted Fernando’s happiness and became one with him in every way, and when she discovered the betrayal, what she did turned to shame. See the original recap for full details.
8. Fern tells Carla that he attempted suicide to forget Lety. He says Lety changed his life. He tells about Marcia. Aldo tells Lety of the guilt he felt when his wife died with her amante, because Aldo didn’t satisfy her. He wished he had died in her place. He’s afraid that any time he loves something it will die.
Read Chapel Hill Fiddler’s original recap, then come back here to discuss it.
1. Omar tells Lety Aldo left. Lety rebukes Omar for disobeying her. Her parents tell her to ease up. Meanwhile Aldo tells Tom he can’t leave without the contract. Once again Tom realizes he spilled the beans and his loose tongue will be discovered, this time when Aldo talks to Lety.
2. Aldo says Tom shouldn’t have told because he didn’t want Lety involved in the conflict (maybe he didn’t want her to get any hints of Fernando’s jealousy?). Then Aldo turns on the charm. “We’re good friends, right? So I don’t authorize you to say anything.” IOW, you should be more loyal to me than to your casi-sister.3. Aldo shows up. RoboPop glares at Omar and says, “What are you trying to do, sabotage my daughter?” Omar follows Lety and Aldo to San Miguel Regla (SMR). MamaJ is about to nominate Aldo for sainthood, and Tom promotes him to Erasmo as well. Pop distrusts any man who gets close to Lety, and Mama is sure he will always respect Lety.
4. Carla flirts with Fern. I think she suggests skinny dipping. Fern calls Omar who says Aldo left and Lety’s at the office. Fern is sure he’s lying. Carla gets jealous of Fern’s phone and wants him to chuck it. Carla: The world won’t let you live. Fern: The world will, but not Lety, and she’s bigger than the world. Carla: I’ll show you that the world is bigger than Lety. Carla hears Fern tell Omar he’s profoundly in love with Lety.5. The cuartel watches an RBD music video. Whyyy?
6. Fern and Carla are horsing around. They fall and she says she hurt her ankle, and she milks it for all it’s worth. Fern discovers that Lety went to SMR with Aldo. He throws a fit, and in a panic he wants to take the next flight south. Carla tells him, “Even if Lety was worth it, she went with someone else.. What can you do, beg?”
7. Aldo asserts that Lety came on the trip to bother Fern. She says with Aldo, she feels peaceful and happy. Don Laura won’t be back until morning. Aldo says they should celebrate that they met. Life put them alone together for a reason, and they should take advantage of it. He reminds her of his love. She reminds him that she’s not free to fall in love yet. Maybe one day.
Capitulo 230.
Read Amanda’s original recap, then come back here to discuss it.
1. Aldo asks RoboPop what to do since Don Lauro won’t meet them until morning. Pop says they should stay there, but behave. Pop likes Aldo and thinks they’re alike. (Tu servidor recapper thinks Aldo is like tofu: he takes on the flavor of whatever he’s with.)
2. Carla asks Fern about Lety. He tells how wonderful she is, and he admits that he treated her badly and made her suffer a lot. Carla says Lety must not love Aldo, or she’d spend the night at SMR. Fern applauds Carla’s brilliance, and he says he feels that Lety loves him. But then Omar reports that Aldo and Lety went into the same cabin together. Fern excuses himself to go grieve.
3. Karla calls her ex-husband to tell him she met a wonderful man, except for two “pero’s”: he’s in love with a beautiful woman, and he’s emotionally unstable. She intends to cure him for herself, like buying a fixer-upper.
4. Fernando has his soliloquy in Times Square. “What am I doing here, d@mn it? With so many people, and I feel so alone. If the billboards could speak, at least they could tell me something. The worst of all, Fernando, is that it’s all your fault. Aldo appeared, and you sent Lety directly into his arms. The fault is all yours. And for my fault, Lety is in a hotel with him.”
5. Omar watches through the curtains. Aldo gets Lety to dance close in front of the fire despite her protests, then they end up nose to nose. He almost kisses her but she pulls away. She admits that she wants to kiss him, but she can’t betray her emotions.
6. After Omar’s report, Fern says to himself, “Only God knows how much it will hurt me if you and Aldo end up loving each other like I love you.” He imagines her in a billboard and says, “Oh, Lety, I would like to dream about you/sleep with you for the rest of my life.” Carla shows up and he tells her, literally, “I don’t know how long/how far I’ll have Lety like this.” Carla answers, “As much as you permit it.” 7. Lety says she only wanted Fernando’s happiness and became one with him in every way, and when she discovered the betrayal, what she did turned to shame. See the original recap for full details.
8. Fern tells Carla that he attempted suicide to forget Lety. He says Lety changed his life. He tells about Marcia. Aldo tells Lety of the guilt he felt when his wife died with her amante, because Aldo didn’t satisfy her. He wished he had died in her place. He’s afraid that any time he loves something it will die.
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EPELE!!! Marshmallows in front of the fire, the background song is Dueña de mi vida! No, no, no, no, no! Aldo can’t have that song! That’s Fern and Lety’s song! NO!
Great George-n-Gracie moment! Aldo waves his finger because he wants Tom to look him in the eye, but Tom thinks he means “come closer.” Aldo says, “In the eyes. Take off your glasses.” Tom does and stares blindly into space.
Hmm. Carla is working on Fernando in front of water (the Central Park lake). Aldo is trying to seduce Lety in front of fire. Does that mean anything? I don't know.
Great George-n-Gracie moment! Aldo waves his finger because he wants Tom to look him in the eye, but Tom thinks he means “come closer.” Aldo says, “In the eyes. Take off your glasses.” Tom does and stares blindly into space.
Hmm. Carla is working on Fernando in front of water (the Central Park lake). Aldo is trying to seduce Lety in front of fire. Does that mean anything? I don't know.
Fire is definitely not Aldo's element, so it's no wonder that his efforts with Lety fizzle. It's like his power gets weaker the farther he goes away from the ocean.
I don't know what it means for Carla to be working Fernando near a lake. But if Aldo is water and Fernando is land, then Carla would be either fire or air (I think). Either way, the lake wouldn't be the thing for either her or Fernando.
So, which element is Lety? Ha-ha, that would be telling.
I don't know what it means for Carla to be working Fernando near a lake. But if Aldo is water and Fernando is land, then Carla would be either fire or air (I think). Either way, the lake wouldn't be the thing for either her or Fernando.
So, which element is Lety? Ha-ha, that would be telling.
Thank you, Julie. I fixed the links, I think. I'm in a rush horita. If I left any mistakes, please correct me again.
Paula,
Love your Aldo is like tofu line. Very fitting.
I hadn't thought about Aldo losing power the farther he is from water. (Is St. Miguel very interior Mexico?) But yeah, fire = nada for Aldo.
Noooo to Duena de mi vida being played during the obnoxious seduction scene of Aldo's. OMG I could NOT believe they put that song in there at that time. Are they nuts?! That is Fernando + Lety love ballad. No one elses!
Carla the Faker. She pretended to hurt her ankle. It even looked like she pulled Fern down to "fall" on her. He didn't lose his balance.
The look of Fern's face when Omar told him A & L went into the same room together just tore my heart. Such pain he was able to express was great acting on Jaime's part.
Just how did Carla Crazy find Fern in all of Manhattan? She must have been stalking him to Times Square.
Burned Marshmallows? from a world famous chef.... Gack.
P.S. Paula I answered your email
Diann
Love your Aldo is like tofu line. Very fitting.
I hadn't thought about Aldo losing power the farther he is from water. (Is St. Miguel very interior Mexico?) But yeah, fire = nada for Aldo.
Noooo to Duena de mi vida being played during the obnoxious seduction scene of Aldo's. OMG I could NOT believe they put that song in there at that time. Are they nuts?! That is Fernando + Lety love ballad. No one elses!
Carla the Faker. She pretended to hurt her ankle. It even looked like she pulled Fern down to "fall" on her. He didn't lose his balance.
The look of Fern's face when Omar told him A & L went into the same room together just tore my heart. Such pain he was able to express was great acting on Jaime's part.
Just how did Carla Crazy find Fern in all of Manhattan? She must have been stalking him to Times Square.
Burned Marshmallows? from a world famous chef.... Gack.
P.S. Paula I answered your email
Diann
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: Friday, February 25, 2011 at 4:07:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 25, 2011 at 4:07:00 PM EST
It's all good now - thanks Paula!
Diann, I don't really know where SMR is. When I said "farther away from the ocean" I was thinking more elementally than geographically, because an indoor fireplace is so different than the ocean (or even a bonfire at the beach).
But I got curious and checked Google Maps. I found two San Miguel Reglas. One is about an hour away from the DF (well, the middle of the DF), near Cuernavaca and is about the same distance away from the ocean as is the DF. I think that's the one they went to.
The other one is in Hidalgo, about 2.5 hours away from the DF and is actually closer to the ocean than the DF is, but still well inland.
Diann, I don't really know where SMR is. When I said "farther away from the ocean" I was thinking more elementally than geographically, because an indoor fireplace is so different than the ocean (or even a bonfire at the beach).
But I got curious and checked Google Maps. I found two San Miguel Reglas. One is about an hour away from the DF (well, the middle of the DF), near Cuernavaca and is about the same distance away from the ocean as is the DF. I think that's the one they went to.
The other one is in Hidalgo, about 2.5 hours away from the DF and is actually closer to the ocean than the DF is, but still well inland.
Boy does Ald0 gave Tomas, Julieta, and Erasmo fooled. He had one thing on his mind with this trip and that was seduction. I saw that coming a mile away. Carla is giving Fernando every opportunity to respond to her and he's not. Kudos Fernando. The pain on his face and the tears streaking his face were almost hard to watch. Fernando knows he was Lety's first lover and for her to get it on with Aldo is a heartbreaking portrayal. I think Fernando thinks he has lost. I don't think he'll go after Carla but the pain that he's feeling may just be the catalyst to grow up and mature.
I really do like the tofu line. I quite agree that describes Aldo to a T. Somehow he's got to trip himself up for Lety to see who he really is. Aldo reminds me of Fernando. Don't get upset everyone but I have a reason for that. Fernando's love was very selfish; a I want what I want when I want it. Now that he thinks Lety and Aldo have gotten together, I think his love will turn more unselfish. In the beginning, Aldo's love for Lety was somewhat unselfish. Now, it's doing a complete reversal.
I really do like the tofu line. I quite agree that describes Aldo to a T. Somehow he's got to trip himself up for Lety to see who he really is. Aldo reminds me of Fernando. Don't get upset everyone but I have a reason for that. Fernando's love was very selfish; a I want what I want when I want it. Now that he thinks Lety and Aldo have gotten together, I think his love will turn more unselfish. In the beginning, Aldo's love for Lety was somewhat unselfish. Now, it's doing a complete reversal.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 25, 2011 at 4:55:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 25, 2011 at 4:55:00 PM EST
Barbara's prediction, Cap 219/220. "I'm sure Aldo thinks that if Fernando is gone, he can put the moves on Lety. I hope she is wise enough not to get sucked into his dribble."
I loved Julie's comment on the old recap. "To me it's very upsetting when someone takes my 'no' to mean 'ask me again in an hour.' "
Julie, you said one SMR is an hour from the center of DF. In my experience, an hour from the center of DF, is the edge of DF! Seriously though. We took a nonstop bus from DF to Cd Puebla. It took one hour to get out of DF, and one hour from there to Puebla.
I loved Julie's comment on the old recap. "To me it's very upsetting when someone takes my 'no' to mean 'ask me again in an hour.' "
Julie, you said one SMR is an hour from the center of DF. In my experience, an hour from the center of DF, is the edge of DF! Seriously though. We took a nonstop bus from DF to Cd Puebla. It took one hour to get out of DF, and one hour from there to Puebla.
I see four steps forward today.
1. Fern tells Carla he treated Lety badly and made her suffer a lot. I think it means that how he hurt her is becoming more prominent in his picture of her.
2. When Carla says Lety's not spending the night with Aldo so she must not love him, Fern says, "I feel that she still loves me." That's a change, isn't it?
3. In Times Square, Fern says, "Fern, you sent Lety directly into Aldo's arms. The fault is all yours." He's accepting blame for what he did and what's happening instead of blaming Omar, Aldo, etc.
4. When he tells Carla that Marcia was his novia... "well, she still is," Fern does his gesture for “loco.” He realizes he’s nuts to continue this relationship with Marcia. That's not Gettysburg (deciding battle of Civil War), but for Fernando that's a promising step.
The other thing is that during this NY phase, both Fern and Lety are taking a closer look at their relationship in retrospect.
Up until now, Fern has mostly been, "I love her like crazy, I want her back." But now he's telling Carla about the suicide attempt, that Lety changed his life, what his former life was like, and the thing with Marcia.
Likewise, Lety. Up until now, she's mostly been, "I loved him unconditionally and he used me." But now she's examining the nature of her one-way love for him, that giving to him made her happy, how the lines of separation were blurred, and the shame she felt afterwards. She's processing the relationship and its aftermath like she never has before.
1. Fern tells Carla he treated Lety badly and made her suffer a lot. I think it means that how he hurt her is becoming more prominent in his picture of her.
2. When Carla says Lety's not spending the night with Aldo so she must not love him, Fern says, "I feel that she still loves me." That's a change, isn't it?
3. In Times Square, Fern says, "Fern, you sent Lety directly into Aldo's arms. The fault is all yours." He's accepting blame for what he did and what's happening instead of blaming Omar, Aldo, etc.
4. When he tells Carla that Marcia was his novia... "well, she still is," Fern does his gesture for “loco.” He realizes he’s nuts to continue this relationship with Marcia. That's not Gettysburg (deciding battle of Civil War), but for Fernando that's a promising step.
The other thing is that during this NY phase, both Fern and Lety are taking a closer look at their relationship in retrospect.
Up until now, Fern has mostly been, "I love her like crazy, I want her back." But now he's telling Carla about the suicide attempt, that Lety changed his life, what his former life was like, and the thing with Marcia.
Likewise, Lety. Up until now, she's mostly been, "I loved him unconditionally and he used me." But now she's examining the nature of her one-way love for him, that giving to him made her happy, how the lines of separation were blurred, and the shame she felt afterwards. She's processing the relationship and its aftermath like she never has before.
Between traffic and urban sprawl, I can't really guess how accurate those time estimates were. I was just trying to figure out which place was more likely for them to have gone to, and how much closer/farther away they might be from the ocean. It did look like the closer one really was just outside the greater Mexico City area though.
Regarding my comment about "no": I wasn't kidding. One of the most effective ways to get me to want to push someone out of my life in a hurry is for that person to hound me about something when I've already given my answer. If they continue to force the issue, I feel I have no choice but to enforce my answer in a more decisive way.
Actually, that might be only the second quickest way to make me go cold on someone. They could probably do it faster by giving me a basket of apples and then getting offended if I don't eat them all in a timely manner. It's not awful to offer healthy food choices, but you are treading on dangerous ground if you get bossy about it.
Regarding my comment about "no": I wasn't kidding. One of the most effective ways to get me to want to push someone out of my life in a hurry is for that person to hound me about something when I've already given my answer. If they continue to force the issue, I feel I have no choice but to enforce my answer in a more decisive way.
Actually, that might be only the second quickest way to make me go cold on someone. They could probably do it faster by giving me a basket of apples and then getting offended if I don't eat them all in a timely manner. It's not awful to offer healthy food choices, but you are treading on dangerous ground if you get bossy about it.
I just loaded three great pictures. Thank you, Pata! Doesn't Fern's face just make you want to start crying all over again?
No sweat, Julie, I wasn't really correcting you, at least not in my alternate reality! It just struck me as so strange that half my two hour bus trip was spent exiting the city.
And Julie, on "no means no," I see myself in you. Even Burger King clerks get the brunt of it: "I'd like a Whopper and nothing else." Clerk: "Would like fries with that?" Me: "No. Nothing else." Clerk: "Would you like a drink?" Me: Excuse me. I said, 'nothing else.' " And salesmen... don't get me started!
No sweat, Julie, I wasn't really correcting you, at least not in my alternate reality! It just struck me as so strange that half my two hour bus trip was spent exiting the city.
And Julie, on "no means no," I see myself in you. Even Burger King clerks get the brunt of it: "I'd like a Whopper and nothing else." Clerk: "Would like fries with that?" Me: "No. Nothing else." Clerk: "Would you like a drink?" Me: Excuse me. I said, 'nothing else.' " And salesmen... don't get me started!
Ok - just finally finished reading/watching today's caps. I'm just going to put it out there - after the hurt Fern felt today I'm not so sure he'll resist temptation. I hope he does, but he and Carla looked awfully chummy near the end.
Carla seems to be written a bit more openly aggressive unlike Aldo. I'm curious about how she can help our boy Fern to grow - maybe his test will be to resist all of her temptation and then if he can do that he wins the heart of Lety? The psychobabble even fell away quickly with her, although it's interesting to me that she also referred to Fern as unstable. That's the 2nd or 3rd person to refer to him in that way - Guillermo was the first person I recall saying it.
I loved Omar's antics - he really was the comedy king today. Even if he is an idiot - he really does keep the tone of the show from getting too heavy. When he was in the carriage and fogged up the windows, then put his hand up to make a handprint - pure comedy! :)
Aldo is very wily...I like the fact that he's smarter than your average bear. It's a nice balance to the almost mentally challenged combined brain power of Fern and Omar. I think although most here will probably think it was manipulative (and yes I have to admit it probably was a little bit), I do think it was the best way to manage Erasmo by asking him what they should do...I like his cleverness a lot. To me he's no more manipulative than Fern has shown himself to be...
Do you think Fern's gesture for loco was in reference to him Paula? I got the impression he was referring to Marcia with that one. I also don't count that one as a step forward because admitting it is one thing, but actually taking actions to end the craziness is a real step forward.
Aldo and Lety - I think that Julie you're right he's overly pushy. BUT I also think that Lety is giving him mixed signals...not even intentionally, but she leans in for a kiss or tells him he makes her feel calm, relaxed and happy. She says she needs him...I go back to something I've said before - she's using him. She may not mean to do it, but she is using Aldo. If she were truly humane and serious about not wanting Aldo in her life she'd send him away completely. But Lety isn't so good at that is she?
I'd also like to point out that she's also told Fern to leave her alone, but we're ok with all of the manipulation he's pulling? All of the having Omar to stalk her? It just seems a bit like a double standard to me - yes he's not in her face trying to kiss her (only because he's out of the country), but she's told him to leave her alone a few times before and no one got all that angry when he kept pushing her...
I also agree that Aldo is a bit like tofu, but remember that tofu is good for you. I think he's good for her ultimately. He pushes her to grow to try new things. To be adventurous. Someone on the older board commented that he's trying to open up her world and I agree it's true. Aldo is that has pushed her to try new things - diving, bike riding, etc. All things she probably never would have tried before him...
Carla seems to be written a bit more openly aggressive unlike Aldo. I'm curious about how she can help our boy Fern to grow - maybe his test will be to resist all of her temptation and then if he can do that he wins the heart of Lety? The psychobabble even fell away quickly with her, although it's interesting to me that she also referred to Fern as unstable. That's the 2nd or 3rd person to refer to him in that way - Guillermo was the first person I recall saying it.
I loved Omar's antics - he really was the comedy king today. Even if he is an idiot - he really does keep the tone of the show from getting too heavy. When he was in the carriage and fogged up the windows, then put his hand up to make a handprint - pure comedy! :)
Aldo is very wily...I like the fact that he's smarter than your average bear. It's a nice balance to the almost mentally challenged combined brain power of Fern and Omar. I think although most here will probably think it was manipulative (and yes I have to admit it probably was a little bit), I do think it was the best way to manage Erasmo by asking him what they should do...I like his cleverness a lot. To me he's no more manipulative than Fern has shown himself to be...
Do you think Fern's gesture for loco was in reference to him Paula? I got the impression he was referring to Marcia with that one. I also don't count that one as a step forward because admitting it is one thing, but actually taking actions to end the craziness is a real step forward.
Aldo and Lety - I think that Julie you're right he's overly pushy. BUT I also think that Lety is giving him mixed signals...not even intentionally, but she leans in for a kiss or tells him he makes her feel calm, relaxed and happy. She says she needs him...I go back to something I've said before - she's using him. She may not mean to do it, but she is using Aldo. If she were truly humane and serious about not wanting Aldo in her life she'd send him away completely. But Lety isn't so good at that is she?
I'd also like to point out that she's also told Fern to leave her alone, but we're ok with all of the manipulation he's pulling? All of the having Omar to stalk her? It just seems a bit like a double standard to me - yes he's not in her face trying to kiss her (only because he's out of the country), but she's told him to leave her alone a few times before and no one got all that angry when he kept pushing her...
I also agree that Aldo is a bit like tofu, but remember that tofu is good for you. I think he's good for her ultimately. He pushes her to grow to try new things. To be adventurous. Someone on the older board commented that he's trying to open up her world and I agree it's true. Aldo is that has pushed her to try new things - diving, bike riding, etc. All things she probably never would have tried before him...
GP, I checked the loco part again because it's at the start of Monday's cap. Yeah, Fern's talking about himself. He says, laughing, "I continue, yes." Then he points at himself, makes his loco gesture, points at himself again, then raises his hands as if to say, "What's up with that?"
Is it a step forward? Well, like I said, it's not Gettysburg. BUT up until now, as far as we can tell, the thought hasn't even occurred to him. So ANYTHING, even thinking he's stupid to stay with her, is an improvement. I'm not saying he's arrived. I'm saying he's moving in the right direction.
Is it a step forward? Well, like I said, it's not Gettysburg. BUT up until now, as far as we can tell, the thought hasn't even occurred to him. So ANYTHING, even thinking he's stupid to stay with her, is an improvement. I'm not saying he's arrived. I'm saying he's moving in the right direction.
Let me demonstrate to you how manipulative Aldo was in these episodes. He knew Omar was following him as evidenced by the message he sent via the waiter. I believe Aldo knew that Omar was reporting to Fernando everything that was taking place. So even if he didn't score with Lety, he could give the appearance of having scored, which meant Omar would report that to Fernando. Aldo is not a stupid man and he knew how much that would hurt Fernando. So now we have the case of Aldo trying to play tit-for-tat. He doesn't care how much he hurts Fernando, another human being, as long as he gets what he wants - Lety. Isn't that going against all the psychobabble he's been spouting from the beginning?
Permalink posted by : Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 4:02:00 AM EST
: Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 4:02:00 AM EST
I agree with you Paula - Fern seems to be moving in the right direction. I just hope he can actually start to take corrective actions instead of just thinking these things. I guess admitting it is the first step. Guess I misinterpreted his loco gesture.
Barbara - I missed the message Aldo had the waiter - it wasn't audible for me. I assumed he told the guy to help him put together some surprise (something I saw in the previews for next week's eps)...I think the guy just happened to run into Omar because he wasn't smart enough to hide himself... I could be wrong though.
If Aldo was giving the waiter instructions on what to say to Omar, then honestly I probably would have done the same thing. Plus I now give credit for being smarter than I thought. I think it's incredibly stupid of Omar to be following Lety and Aldo. The little stunts like that drive me nuts and since Fern has proven himself as an enemy to Aldo - I don't think Aldo has any real reason to protect Fern's feelings. They are competing for the same woman. Fern wouldn't have any compunction about doing the same in fact Fern was quite nasty to Aldo before he even realized he loved Lety... Yes it might not be so closely aligned with all of his pyscho babble, but all is fair in love and war right? I think when he crosses the line is when he starts lying to Lety and her family.
I probably shouldn't admit this, but when Erasmo told Aldo to protect Lety I had the visual image of the wolf protecting the hen house. LOL - I'm not sure Erasmo meant that kind of protection. :)
Barbara - I missed the message Aldo had the waiter - it wasn't audible for me. I assumed he told the guy to help him put together some surprise (something I saw in the previews for next week's eps)...I think the guy just happened to run into Omar because he wasn't smart enough to hide himself... I could be wrong though.
If Aldo was giving the waiter instructions on what to say to Omar, then honestly I probably would have done the same thing. Plus I now give credit for being smarter than I thought. I think it's incredibly stupid of Omar to be following Lety and Aldo. The little stunts like that drive me nuts and since Fern has proven himself as an enemy to Aldo - I don't think Aldo has any real reason to protect Fern's feelings. They are competing for the same woman. Fern wouldn't have any compunction about doing the same in fact Fern was quite nasty to Aldo before he even realized he loved Lety... Yes it might not be so closely aligned with all of his pyscho babble, but all is fair in love and war right? I think when he crosses the line is when he starts lying to Lety and her family.
I probably shouldn't admit this, but when Erasmo told Aldo to protect Lety I had the visual image of the wolf protecting the hen house. LOL - I'm not sure Erasmo meant that kind of protection. :)
Yes, GP, like a wolf or fox guarding the henhouse!
Barbara, are you saying that when Aldo pulled the waiter aside and whispered to him, he was tipping him off to Omar? I don't think so, but maybe you saw something? If Aldo did, that would certainly add dirty-rotten-shnook points to his account.
Now to the burr under everyone's saddle. Why doesn't Fern break up with Marcia? For the sake of communication, I'll label Lety's first day back "Monday."
Before Monday, Fern thought Lety was gone forever. Monday he quit Conceptos for the sake of Lety's peace, and he thought he'd only see her at occasional board meetings. Monday night at Santuario he declared his love and she said she never wanted to see him again.
Tuesday when the judge gave them 3 months, he came back to work. Maybe he could have split with Marcia Tuesday night, but can't we give our boy at least one day to sort out his head? Besides, Marcia wouldn't even let him have civil small talk that night, and he was so aggravated, he could not have presented the break-up calmly and compassionately.
Wednesday he found out he was leaving for NY the next morning. He couldn't dump Marcia the night before her trip, when the fate of Conceptos rests on their trips. Besides, he wouldn't have to see her for the next 20 days anyway.
Thursday, today, they're an ocean apart. Crush Marcia's world, put to death the thing she's devoted her whole life to, with a phone call? When she's alone in a foreign city? No, you don't treat a person like that. Fern MUST NOT break up with her over the phone.
And it’s only now that he’s beginning to see that it’s stupid to stay with Marcia. Even if he follows that thought and determines to split with her, he can’t take action until he returns.
I agree, he should not have gone back to her. He was desperate, he was suicidal, he was frantically looking for something, anything, to help him survive his agony. He made a stupid move in that desperate state. But I assert, since then he hasn't had any opportunity to fix it.
Barbara, are you saying that when Aldo pulled the waiter aside and whispered to him, he was tipping him off to Omar? I don't think so, but maybe you saw something? If Aldo did, that would certainly add dirty-rotten-shnook points to his account.
Now to the burr under everyone's saddle. Why doesn't Fern break up with Marcia? For the sake of communication, I'll label Lety's first day back "Monday."
Before Monday, Fern thought Lety was gone forever. Monday he quit Conceptos for the sake of Lety's peace, and he thought he'd only see her at occasional board meetings. Monday night at Santuario he declared his love and she said she never wanted to see him again.
Tuesday when the judge gave them 3 months, he came back to work. Maybe he could have split with Marcia Tuesday night, but can't we give our boy at least one day to sort out his head? Besides, Marcia wouldn't even let him have civil small talk that night, and he was so aggravated, he could not have presented the break-up calmly and compassionately.
Wednesday he found out he was leaving for NY the next morning. He couldn't dump Marcia the night before her trip, when the fate of Conceptos rests on their trips. Besides, he wouldn't have to see her for the next 20 days anyway.
Thursday, today, they're an ocean apart. Crush Marcia's world, put to death the thing she's devoted her whole life to, with a phone call? When she's alone in a foreign city? No, you don't treat a person like that. Fern MUST NOT break up with her over the phone.
And it’s only now that he’s beginning to see that it’s stupid to stay with Marcia. Even if he follows that thought and determines to split with her, he can’t take action until he returns.
I agree, he should not have gone back to her. He was desperate, he was suicidal, he was frantically looking for something, anything, to help him survive his agony. He made a stupid move in that desperate state. But I assert, since then he hasn't had any opportunity to fix it.
Paula - I happen to agree with you that Fern hasn't had the chance to break up with Marcia. My problem with him is that he keeps trying to initiate a relationship with Lety while he is STILL in a relationship with Marcia. I think he puts Lety into the uncomfortable position of being the OTHER woman again. It's not truly the type of love that Lety needs and deserves in her life. In some ways it's still a very selfish love don't you think? It's such a horrible thing for him to do to her & Marcia for that matter. That's my biggest problem with him - in that he doesn't really seem to get it at all...
Let me explain my reasoning for what I think I saw. When the waiter came up to Omar, he called him by name. How would he know who he was unless Aldo or Lety told him. I'm positive Lety didn't know Omar was following them, so, ergo, that leaves Aldo. And didn't Omar asked the waiter if Aldo and Lety were staying separate cabins? I think, with my limited Spanish, he told Omar that they were in one cabin. Now that cabin may have 2 bedrooms, but what's Omar and Fernando going to think other than Aldo and Lety are getting it on.
If someone can give me a better explanation, I'd love to hear it. But based on what I saw, Aldo pulled one sleazy move. I agree that he doesn't care about Fernando's feelings, but he should have some consideration for Lety. Unfortunately, seduction was on Aldo's mind the whole trip and you can't convince me otherwise.
If someone can give me a better explanation, I'd love to hear it. But based on what I saw, Aldo pulled one sleazy move. I agree that he doesn't care about Fernando's feelings, but he should have some consideration for Lety. Unfortunately, seduction was on Aldo's mind the whole trip and you can't convince me otherwise.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 12:48:00 PM EST
: Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 12:48:00 PM EST
Just re-watched yesterday's episode. I don't think Aldo knew that Omar was following them I think he has a surprise in store for Lety. On the other hand how either one of them didn't notice the only car on the road and Omar in the phone booth is beyond me.
I laughed until i cried over Omar's antics and the fall in the bushes with his girlish scream not to mention him first saying that Lety was his novia and then switching it to his sister.
To my mind Fern has now turned into Marcia, calling Omar every few minutes to check up on Lety. And in turn Omar has become Fern with the eye rolling and bracing himself to answer the phone. Absolutely priceless.
As someone said that lonely walk in Times Square with that sadness you could feel was first rate acting. Jamie is one of only a couple of novela actors who can convey extreme emotion silently without looking like he is trying to pass a kidney stone. By contrast I happen to have latched on to Mar de Amor in the afternoon and the other day Mario Cimarro had a similar scene and instead of it being heartbreaking to watch it was almost comically painful instead.
If anyone still thinks Aldo is some saint in disguise his actions showed how manipulative he is. He had one thing and only one thing on his mind with that trip. He was so pushy in that hotel room it was almost scary and Lety reverted momentarily to her whiney self before switching into her lead on Aldo mode. I wish she would make up her mind.
I had a couple of questions about odd stuff . Omar's car seem to have the top up and then down a couple of times for no apparent reason and did I miss something with Lety walking into the hotel in a pants suit and then suddenly appear dressed in that purple thing. She didn't have a suitcase and when did she go shopping? Or did my local station take a scissors to the scene.
The first time around we had an insulting nickname for Carla and I'll be curious to see if it resurfaces. OK so she faked the sprained ankle, in those circumstances with that guy who wouldn't. She must have some nice relationship with her ex if she can call him and chat about the hot new guy she met. I wouldn't have called mine if he was the last man on earth.
I couldn't help wondering what those people in the hotel lobby were thinking with Fern going all loco . I'd have ben considering making a fast break for my room if someone was acting that looney and then he apologized to the guy. Very funny stuff.
I laughed until i cried over Omar's antics and the fall in the bushes with his girlish scream not to mention him first saying that Lety was his novia and then switching it to his sister.
To my mind Fern has now turned into Marcia, calling Omar every few minutes to check up on Lety. And in turn Omar has become Fern with the eye rolling and bracing himself to answer the phone. Absolutely priceless.
As someone said that lonely walk in Times Square with that sadness you could feel was first rate acting. Jamie is one of only a couple of novela actors who can convey extreme emotion silently without looking like he is trying to pass a kidney stone. By contrast I happen to have latched on to Mar de Amor in the afternoon and the other day Mario Cimarro had a similar scene and instead of it being heartbreaking to watch it was almost comically painful instead.
If anyone still thinks Aldo is some saint in disguise his actions showed how manipulative he is. He had one thing and only one thing on his mind with that trip. He was so pushy in that hotel room it was almost scary and Lety reverted momentarily to her whiney self before switching into her lead on Aldo mode. I wish she would make up her mind.
I had a couple of questions about odd stuff . Omar's car seem to have the top up and then down a couple of times for no apparent reason and did I miss something with Lety walking into the hotel in a pants suit and then suddenly appear dressed in that purple thing. She didn't have a suitcase and when did she go shopping? Or did my local station take a scissors to the scene.
The first time around we had an insulting nickname for Carla and I'll be curious to see if it resurfaces. OK so she faked the sprained ankle, in those circumstances with that guy who wouldn't. She must have some nice relationship with her ex if she can call him and chat about the hot new guy she met. I wouldn't have called mine if he was the last man on earth.
I couldn't help wondering what those people in the hotel lobby were thinking with Fern going all loco . I'd have ben considering making a fast break for my room if someone was acting that looney and then he apologized to the guy. Very funny stuff.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 1:08:00 PM EST
: Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 1:08:00 PM EST
Thank you Paula for clarifying that we are only on day 4 of an horrendously long week for the viewers. To Fern it is only Thursday, and he finally saw Lety for the first time since she left, was that previous Monday. You're right, no time to break up with Marcia, heck he hasn't even been around her very much at all in the last 3 days. The one night at dinner she drove him out with her talk of Lety and he stayed out wandering the whole night. (Stopping by Lety's house in the process). The night before he left for NY, he was at the airport at 5am (he previously told Marcia he had to be there at 7am) which means he either didn't sleep or he got out of the apt way before Marcia woke. He avoided her in her office (the time he was talking on the cell and Marcia/Ali walked in). He ran out as fast as he could. No time to break up decently, plus he still has to figure out how to break up in a way that Marcia will know its for good, and she can't win him back.
I think Fern is starting to "grow up" re: his conversation with Carla. He admitted he did something horrible and he hurt Lety very much. Before, he was only concerned about how much he was hurting. He also recognized (in Times Square) that everything is his fault. He put himself into this situation. His struggle now is to try and come up with a solution that is unlike anything he has tried before. Its like he's turning to put Lety first and mend the hurt he caused.
As far as Aldo seducing Lety, I think he was doing what any ho*ny man would do in a hotel. Definitely trying every techinque imaginable. (Fire, wine, dinner, music, teaching you to dance so I can hold you close, pulling her to the floor with a smoldering gaze) I am so glad none of it worked. To me, Lety does not feel like she felt with Fern. So she stops everything.
The purple dress thing: I just chalked it up to the store in the hotel lobby. We saw one in Cuernavaca and Alcapulco. So I think we are to just assume she got it there. (Plus they needed toothbrushes, no?)
Omar has been brilliant. The interspersion of comedy lightens the mood and subconsciously gives us a positive outcome to this whole situation.
GP, I don't think Fern is trying to initiate a relationship with Lety, he is trying to resurrect a relationship with Lety.
Deciegirl, I believe Fern & Carla were in a bar. They showed us an outdoor shot that zoomed up to the top of retail building (I was trying to figure out if it was Columbus Cirle). Then went to the inside shot with Fern & Carla. Also, the first time Fern was loud and people started to stare, Carla made the motion to them that he'd been drinking, so don't mind him. When he said sorry to the bar patron as he was leaving, I didn't take as comedy. I took it as growth from Fern. He was just dealt a major blow, he was leaving, but he was still aware of how he disturbed another person. And he apologized. The old Fern would never have noticed the other person.
Diann
I think Fern is starting to "grow up" re: his conversation with Carla. He admitted he did something horrible and he hurt Lety very much. Before, he was only concerned about how much he was hurting. He also recognized (in Times Square) that everything is his fault. He put himself into this situation. His struggle now is to try and come up with a solution that is unlike anything he has tried before. Its like he's turning to put Lety first and mend the hurt he caused.
As far as Aldo seducing Lety, I think he was doing what any ho*ny man would do in a hotel. Definitely trying every techinque imaginable. (Fire, wine, dinner, music, teaching you to dance so I can hold you close, pulling her to the floor with a smoldering gaze) I am so glad none of it worked. To me, Lety does not feel like she felt with Fern. So she stops everything.
The purple dress thing: I just chalked it up to the store in the hotel lobby. We saw one in Cuernavaca and Alcapulco. So I think we are to just assume she got it there. (Plus they needed toothbrushes, no?)
Omar has been brilliant. The interspersion of comedy lightens the mood and subconsciously gives us a positive outcome to this whole situation.
GP, I don't think Fern is trying to initiate a relationship with Lety, he is trying to resurrect a relationship with Lety.
Deciegirl, I believe Fern & Carla were in a bar. They showed us an outdoor shot that zoomed up to the top of retail building (I was trying to figure out if it was Columbus Cirle). Then went to the inside shot with Fern & Carla. Also, the first time Fern was loud and people started to stare, Carla made the motion to them that he'd been drinking, so don't mind him. When he said sorry to the bar patron as he was leaving, I didn't take as comedy. I took it as growth from Fern. He was just dealt a major blow, he was leaving, but he was still aware of how he disturbed another person. And he apologized. The old Fern would never have noticed the other person.
Diann
Permalink posted by : Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 3:22:00 PM EST
: Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 3:22:00 PM EST
Diann - Ok Fern is trying to resurrect his relationship with Lety. It doesn't change the fact that I don't think it's what he should be doing at this moment. I think yes - he should apologize, he should hope and wish her all the happiness in the world and he should try to help her rescue the company. BUT until he's done with all of the craziness with Marcia he should steer clear of making any overtures towards trying to get his romantic relationship with Lety going again. It should remain strictly professional until then...
I also think that this show is infamous for continuity problems Diann so I also saw Omar's car with the top down (when he was with the cop) and it up both before and after that scene. I'll re-watch again because I want to see if that waiter called Omar by his name...now I'm mystified by that...
I also think that this show is infamous for continuity problems Diann so I also saw Omar's car with the top down (when he was with the cop) and it up both before and after that scene. I'll re-watch again because I want to see if that waiter called Omar by his name...now I'm mystified by that...
So another interminably long week is in the works. It's funny how on some novelas time goes by with the speed of light and in others Rip Van Winkle could doze off and when he woke only a minimal amount of time has gone. I don't mind if time is slow as long as something happens. The big flaw in the extension of Fea is that way too many episodes consist of nothing more than juntas and the yapping cuartel.
It makes me laugh because I've hooked into another novela where time flies at the speed of light and something major happens every day sometimes more than one. On one episode one character actually got beaten up twice by two different sets of people, someone had plastic surgery and healed, someone graduated from school and another person tracked down poison to use on a rival. And no notices saying days later. No juntas in sight either. LOL
It makes me laugh because I've hooked into another novela where time flies at the speed of light and something major happens every day sometimes more than one. On one episode one character actually got beaten up twice by two different sets of people, someone had plastic surgery and healed, someone graduated from school and another person tracked down poison to use on a rival. And no notices saying days later. No juntas in sight either. LOL
Permalink posted by : Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 5:16:00 PM EST
: Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 5:16:00 PM EST
Deciegirl,
The flying by at the speed of sound is also happening on Eva Luna. In one episode, they actually made a whole year go by. And not just with a title screen of "Uno Ano Despues" LOL!!
In fact, Eva Luna is going by so quickly that the fans have raised ire over the announcements of "Ultimas Semanas". But I think its a trick from Univision. This is their first US production and the first TN to air in US before Mexico, so I'm thinking they have some kinda twist plans with their "Etapas".
Diann
The flying by at the speed of sound is also happening on Eva Luna. In one episode, they actually made a whole year go by. And not just with a title screen of "Uno Ano Despues" LOL!!
In fact, Eva Luna is going by so quickly that the fans have raised ire over the announcements of "Ultimas Semanas". But I think its a trick from Univision. This is their first US production and the first TN to air in US before Mexico, so I'm thinking they have some kinda twist plans with their "Etapas".
Diann
Permalink posted by : Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 6:05:00 PM EST
: Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 6:05:00 PM EST
All righty. Still not all caught up yet on Weds and Thurs episodes, but I saw yesterday's this morning.
Location of SMR - Aldo said that in order to get there in time for their meeting (which was at 9) they would have to leave at 5, which means it's four hours away and this resort is probably not either of the two San Miguel Reglas I saw in Google Maps. Wonder where it is? (I admit I didn't knock myself out trying to find it.)
Now, when Aldo maneuvers Erasmo into suggesting that they stay the night, didn't he remind you of the high school boy who says "yes ma'am" and "no sir" to a girl's parents and then is a total octopus as soon as they leave the house? Okay, he's not QUITE that bad... but he certainly seems to have had some practice playing a girl's parents. I bet not many girls said no to him.
As for Lety leading him on - Lety has never been in this situation before. It probably doesn't even occur to her that her apparent ambivalence is confusing Aldo.
But Aldo really should not be confused - during his talk with Aldad Tuesday night it seemed clear enough that he knew she was in love with Fernando. But when he spoke with Erasmo on the phone in the car, he also laid it on pretty thick with Lety, encouraging her to enjoy herself and celebrate this everyday sort of day. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the message I got was "whatever you feel about Fernando, let's just not worry about that and fool around a little." But Lety is not the fooling-around type.
Location of SMR - Aldo said that in order to get there in time for their meeting (which was at 9) they would have to leave at 5, which means it's four hours away and this resort is probably not either of the two San Miguel Reglas I saw in Google Maps. Wonder where it is? (I admit I didn't knock myself out trying to find it.)
Now, when Aldo maneuvers Erasmo into suggesting that they stay the night, didn't he remind you of the high school boy who says "yes ma'am" and "no sir" to a girl's parents and then is a total octopus as soon as they leave the house? Okay, he's not QUITE that bad... but he certainly seems to have had some practice playing a girl's parents. I bet not many girls said no to him.
As for Lety leading him on - Lety has never been in this situation before. It probably doesn't even occur to her that her apparent ambivalence is confusing Aldo.
But Aldo really should not be confused - during his talk with Aldad Tuesday night it seemed clear enough that he knew she was in love with Fernando. But when he spoke with Erasmo on the phone in the car, he also laid it on pretty thick with Lety, encouraging her to enjoy herself and celebrate this everyday sort of day. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the message I got was "whatever you feel about Fernando, let's just not worry about that and fool around a little." But Lety is not the fooling-around type.
Double standard? I don't see Fern and Omar's efforts with Lety as "manipulation" because they're nothing more than feeble pranks that have no manipulative potential at all. It's not like I'm pulling for those tactics to work. I'm pulling for Fernando to grow up. In the meantime, he's going to act out like a spoiled child.
I believe Aldo and Lety are actually staying in two different cabins. Aldo confirmed with the desk clerk that both cabins had chimneys. He invited Lety to his cabin for dinner.
Barbara, I don't believe Aldo's request to the waiter was about Omar. The waiter replied something like "yes, here we can do the impossible." Kicking out a peeper isn't the impossible.
I did not hear the waiter address Omar by name. Now I wish I hadn't deleted the episode already so I could hear what he does say. He tells Omar that they're together in the cabin right now and says that they're dressed. Omar asks if they've been in the bed, and the waiter declines to say.
I think there's no question Aldo was hoping to seduce Lety - whether he knew Omar was watching or not. It's funny, even after she pulls away from a kiss attempt he tries again. Damn, Aldo!
I believe Aldo and Lety are actually staying in two different cabins. Aldo confirmed with the desk clerk that both cabins had chimneys. He invited Lety to his cabin for dinner.
Barbara, I don't believe Aldo's request to the waiter was about Omar. The waiter replied something like "yes, here we can do the impossible." Kicking out a peeper isn't the impossible.
I did not hear the waiter address Omar by name. Now I wish I hadn't deleted the episode already so I could hear what he does say. He tells Omar that they're together in the cabin right now and says that they're dressed. Omar asks if they've been in the bed, and the waiter declines to say.
I think there's no question Aldo was hoping to seduce Lety - whether he knew Omar was watching or not. It's funny, even after she pulls away from a kiss attempt he tries again. Damn, Aldo!
Two last notes -
1. Lety's purple dress - I thought the same as Diann, that she got it at the shop they paused in front of after registering for their rooms. My question: did Lety pick out the dress herself, or did Aldo pick it out for her?
Um, but, seriously, isn't that the best thing we've seen her wearing in ages? Maybe shopping with stylish Carolina made her nervous, so that she continued to lean towards her frumpy comfort zone. (Definitely better than pre-Acapulco, but still old-fashioned.) Without Carolina showing her the intimidatingly cutting-edge fashions, perhaps Lety was actually able to select something more contemporary.
2. I think Carla actually proposed that she and Fernando jump into the lake fully clothed. Fernando repeats it again ("in green water - vestido!") on the phone with Omar moments later.
He does say something about taking his clothes off just before the phone call, but I don't know what he was yammering about.
("Vestido" is also the word that comes up when the waiter and Omar are discussing Aldo and Lety. Omar had been worried that they were "desvestido," which shocked the waiter. Once Omar knows they are dressed, he asks if they were in bathrobes, LOL.)
1. Lety's purple dress - I thought the same as Diann, that she got it at the shop they paused in front of after registering for their rooms. My question: did Lety pick out the dress herself, or did Aldo pick it out for her?
Um, but, seriously, isn't that the best thing we've seen her wearing in ages? Maybe shopping with stylish Carolina made her nervous, so that she continued to lean towards her frumpy comfort zone. (Definitely better than pre-Acapulco, but still old-fashioned.) Without Carolina showing her the intimidatingly cutting-edge fashions, perhaps Lety was actually able to select something more contemporary.
2. I think Carla actually proposed that she and Fernando jump into the lake fully clothed. Fernando repeats it again ("in green water - vestido!") on the phone with Omar moments later.
He does say something about taking his clothes off just before the phone call, but I don't know what he was yammering about.
("Vestido" is also the word that comes up when the waiter and Omar are discussing Aldo and Lety. Omar had been worried that they were "desvestido," which shocked the waiter. Once Omar knows they are dressed, he asks if they were in bathrobes, LOL.)
LOL - Julie you're right. Fern & Omar are so BAD at their attempts to keep Lety and Aldo away from each other that it can't possibly qualify as manipulation even if that is their intent. LOL.
I have the eps - I'll re-watch, but I def get the impression that Aldo was arranging some surprise and not trying to get rid of Omar. Prob won't have time to re-watch until tomorrow.
I sort of wish all of the scenes with the cuartel and Luigi would fly by at the speed of light! :) I have noticed that they seemed to speed up time a bit in one of the earlier eps that I saw recently, but they don't seem to do that at all in this back half. :(
I have the eps - I'll re-watch, but I def get the impression that Aldo was arranging some surprise and not trying to get rid of Omar. Prob won't have time to re-watch until tomorrow.
I sort of wish all of the scenes with the cuartel and Luigi would fly by at the speed of light! :) I have noticed that they seemed to speed up time a bit in one of the earlier eps that I saw recently, but they don't seem to do that at all in this back half. :(
I've deleted my recording of Friday's episodes, so someone who can check out the scene between Omar and the waiter will have rule on this issue. I know my Spanish is limited, so when I look at the CC's, I'm getting the gist and not necessarily the substance of conversations. But whether Aldo knew about Omar or not, he used Erasmo in order to stay overnight with Lety. Granted they asked for 2 cabins, but Aldo's moves were all about them sharing 1 cabin and 1 bed. Poor Lety. She's blindsided by his good looks and psychobabble and doesn't see that he's just like most men. He's in love and he wants sex and will do whatever it takes to achieve that end. Personnally, it would gross me out to see Aldo and Lety in bed together. Her first lover was Fernando and he should be her last and only lover. Sorry Aldo, you need to lose and in a big way.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 7:16:00 PM EST
: Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 7:16:00 PM EST
I checked the disk. The waiter tells Aldo, "We will do the impossible (o algo así)." He greets Omar with, "Pasa algo, Caballero?" Omar: What's going on inside? Waiter: And who are you?
No question, Aldo orchestrated everything to seduce Lety. He did get two cabins to give Lety a false sense of security. He keeps accusing Fern of selfishness, using Lety for his own interests, and never caring about her. But that "selfish" Fernando, when Lety said 'no' at Cuernavaca he accepted it as no, even though she told him repeatedly how much she loved him and desired him.
Whereas Lety has repeatedly told Aldo that she loves Fern, she's not ready for another romance, and she can't love Aldo yet. She has never even let him kiss her since she left Acapulco. Here's a hint: if a woman doesn't want to kiss you, she probably doesn't want to have sex with you. Call it a hunch. Aldo can have no doubt that Lety doesn't want intimacy with him, but what she wants obviously doesn't matter. And Aldo dares call Fernando selfish???
It's as Julie said. The fight was a turning point - after that, Aldo became more selfish and Fernando became less selfish.
Aldo is on a downward spiral.
No question, Aldo orchestrated everything to seduce Lety. He did get two cabins to give Lety a false sense of security. He keeps accusing Fern of selfishness, using Lety for his own interests, and never caring about her. But that "selfish" Fernando, when Lety said 'no' at Cuernavaca he accepted it as no, even though she told him repeatedly how much she loved him and desired him.
Whereas Lety has repeatedly told Aldo that she loves Fern, she's not ready for another romance, and she can't love Aldo yet. She has never even let him kiss her since she left Acapulco. Here's a hint: if a woman doesn't want to kiss you, she probably doesn't want to have sex with you. Call it a hunch. Aldo can have no doubt that Lety doesn't want intimacy with him, but what she wants obviously doesn't matter. And Aldo dares call Fernando selfish???
It's as Julie said. The fight was a turning point - after that, Aldo became more selfish and Fernando became less selfish.
Aldo is on a downward spiral.
Barbara, have you forgotten about Miguel? He was Lety's first "lover." Thanks to Miguel and his smooth talk with Mom and Dad, I'm kind of surprised that she isn't more wary of smooth-talking Aldo; but I guess she really needs to feel wanted right now.
[You could say Fernando's a smooth-talker too, but not when it comes to Lety's parents. Definitely not. Julieta liked him at first, but not because he was smooth; in fact, he was a bit awkward with her. Charming, but awkward.]
Come to think of it, Lety telling the story of Miguel to Aldo yesterday was what prompted Aldo to retell Lety about how guilty he felt about his wife's death. Someone on the old recap commented how different his reaction to the Miguel story was from Fernando's. Interesting. I'm not sure I agree with that commenter that Aldo was playing "my pain is bigger than your pain," but neither did her story seem to give him any pause. Fernando, on the other hand, was totally horrified by it and continued processing it well into the next day. (The visible outcome of which was nil, unfortunately.)
[You could say Fernando's a smooth-talker too, but not when it comes to Lety's parents. Definitely not. Julieta liked him at first, but not because he was smooth; in fact, he was a bit awkward with her. Charming, but awkward.]
Come to think of it, Lety telling the story of Miguel to Aldo yesterday was what prompted Aldo to retell Lety about how guilty he felt about his wife's death. Someone on the old recap commented how different his reaction to the Miguel story was from Fernando's. Interesting. I'm not sure I agree with that commenter that Aldo was playing "my pain is bigger than your pain," but neither did her story seem to give him any pause. Fernando, on the other hand, was totally horrified by it and continued processing it well into the next day. (The visible outcome of which was nil, unfortunately.)
Thanks Paula for the correction. Julie, I did not start La Fea until Lety and Fernando's trip. So, I don't know the history on Miguel. I know she was supposedly in love with him but did they get all up close and personal? Is that why Lety said yesterday she was so ashamed? I am playing catch-up on some things so please forgive me.
Even though I got the Omar/waiter thing wrong, it doesn't change my opinion of Aldo one bit. He's not respecting Lety and is pushing for all he's worth. My concern is that he'll push enough to convince her that he's the man for her. Come on Lety, wise up and see Aldo for who he really is.
The conflict for Lety is that she doesn't trust that Fernando really loves her. Also, if she admits to herself that he loves her, is she willing to take the gamble and trust in that love? Lety doesn't think she's strong enough, smart enough, or good looking enough to be able trust Fernando and his love. She first has to gain confidence in herself, independent of Aldo, before she can have confidence in Fernando and his love.
Even though I got the Omar/waiter thing wrong, it doesn't change my opinion of Aldo one bit. He's not respecting Lety and is pushing for all he's worth. My concern is that he'll push enough to convince her that he's the man for her. Come on Lety, wise up and see Aldo for who he really is.
The conflict for Lety is that she doesn't trust that Fernando really loves her. Also, if she admits to herself that he loves her, is she willing to take the gamble and trust in that love? Lety doesn't think she's strong enough, smart enough, or good looking enough to be able trust Fernando and his love. She first has to gain confidence in herself, independent of Aldo, before she can have confidence in Fernando and his love.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 9:37:00 PM EST
: Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 9:37:00 PM EST
Yes, Miguel was a neighborhood boy who wooed her when she was a teenager with all the little gifts, etc. After she had sex with him, she never saw her again. Later she found out that Roman, the neighborhood bully, put him up to it - with money. They had a bet that Miguel wouldn't be able to go through with seducing the village fea.
When she told Fernando about this, many moons ago, Fernando was knocked for a loop, realizing that he was the same kind of filth as Roman and Miguel because he too was seducing Lety for financial motives.
But it didn't bother him quite enough to stop doing it. Partly because he was already really liked Lety, even though he couldn't quite admit it. And partly because it was still his priority to protect Conceptos.
When she told Fernando about this, many moons ago, Fernando was knocked for a loop, realizing that he was the same kind of filth as Roman and Miguel because he too was seducing Lety for financial motives.
But it didn't bother him quite enough to stop doing it. Partly because he was already really liked Lety, even though he couldn't quite admit it. And partly because it was still his priority to protect Conceptos.
I think that Aldo and Fern's reactions to the stories are different because they both have different reasons for loving Lety. Aldo and Lety have their shared heartbreak (they are both still recovering from them and trying to survive). Fern reacted the way he did because of what Julie pointed out - he realizes that he's guilty of the same thing. I think he eventually beats Roman and the gang up because it was probably a way of assuaging his guilt - I don't think it truly had anything really to do with helping Lety.
I think Lety's sharing this story with Aldo is her way of helping him to understand her a bit better. I never thought she'd actually do it - it was an experience that really shaped who she is today and I think that sharing such a deep dark memory with Fern and then realizing he was using her in the same way - if I were her I don't think I would have shared that story for a while. I think sharing it with Aldo was both a test and a warning to Aldo. The reason I think it's a warning -- she's saying to him "look at me - I'm damaged goods, these two men have used me in the same way...why would you want to be with me?" It's a test because if he sticks around after knowing this shameful secret then he might be worthy of her friendship and eventual love.
I think Lety's sharing this story with Aldo is her way of helping him to understand her a bit better. I never thought she'd actually do it - it was an experience that really shaped who she is today and I think that sharing such a deep dark memory with Fern and then realizing he was using her in the same way - if I were her I don't think I would have shared that story for a while. I think sharing it with Aldo was both a test and a warning to Aldo. The reason I think it's a warning -- she's saying to him "look at me - I'm damaged goods, these two men have used me in the same way...why would you want to be with me?" It's a test because if he sticks around after knowing this shameful secret then he might be worthy of her friendship and eventual love.
Aldo's reaction to the Miguel story (sharing his own pain) suggests that the only part of it that rang a bell for him was "I've been hurt."
It's good that he understood that much, but it wasn't exactly new information. He already knew she'd been hurt by Fernando. Getting hurt twice in similar ways is a much bigger thing with greater ramifications.
Did Aldo get that? Because the Miguel story is also a warning to Aldo that Lety has good reason to be cautious about getting into another relationship. She's afraid that she doesn't have good judgment. His relentless pursuit for her affection won't be enough to convince her of his sincerity. She's already been there, done that. Twice. And she didn't even get a T-shirt.
It's good that he understood that much, but it wasn't exactly new information. He already knew she'd been hurt by Fernando. Getting hurt twice in similar ways is a much bigger thing with greater ramifications.
Did Aldo get that? Because the Miguel story is also a warning to Aldo that Lety has good reason to be cautious about getting into another relationship. She's afraid that she doesn't have good judgment. His relentless pursuit for her affection won't be enough to convince her of his sincerity. She's already been there, done that. Twice. And she didn't even get a T-shirt.
Couldn't help laughing at the idea of Aldo being all protective of Lety when talking to Erasmo and then turning into an octopus later. It made me remember Eddie Haskell if anyone remembers the old Leave it to Beaver. In a lot of way Aldo is like Eddie, smooth talking to the parents and something else when not around people who care for his target.
I also remember during one of the thousands of calls between Fern and Omar how Omar said all women are the same when passing on the news that Lety and Aldo are in the same cabin. It tells me once again that Omar was hurt, badly, and he will do anything to avoid being hurt again.
I also remember during one of the thousands of calls between Fern and Omar how Omar said all women are the same when passing on the news that Lety and Aldo are in the same cabin. It tells me once again that Omar was hurt, badly, and he will do anything to avoid being hurt again.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, February 27, 2011 at 1:08:00 PM EST
: Sunday, February 27, 2011 at 1:08:00 PM EST
One thing I will say for Eddie Haskell: the only people who took him seriously him were his parents and Beaver. Ward and June could see right through him, and girls weren't crazy about him either!
However, outside Leave it to Beaver, a kid with good manners can get away with anything. Some of the rottenest boys and girls I went to school with were teachers' pets because they were so "good." LOL!
However, outside Leave it to Beaver, a kid with good manners can get away with anything. Some of the rottenest boys and girls I went to school with were teachers' pets because they were so "good." LOL!
Being extremely good looking yields many of the same rewards. Many times on the Fea boards I've seen comments like, "Fernando is behaving terribly, but I can't hate him because he's so gorgeous." Is it any wonder that so many gorgeous men are jerks? People will still like them anyway.
Growing up, my brother could get away with anything because he'd mastered the puppy dog eyes and the I'm-so-sweet-and-innocent face. The first time my son tried that trick as a toddler, memories of my brother came tumbling in upon me, and I was probably MORE strict with my son when he tried that face!
Growing up, my brother could get away with anything because he'd mastered the puppy dog eyes and the I'm-so-sweet-and-innocent face. The first time my son tried that trick as a toddler, memories of my brother came tumbling in upon me, and I was probably MORE strict with my son when he tried that face!
Almost forgot, Paula - the odd hand gesture Fernando made in Wednesday's episode. Now that I've seen it, I think it's either a discreet wave hello to an unexpected visitor he noticed off-camera, or he's just stretching sore wrist muscles. I do it all the time.
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