Thursday, August 25, 2011
La Fuerza del Destino #16 Wed 08/24/11 Ivan Lays the Groundwork for his Master Plan, the Meandragons Implode, and Camilo Goes on a Guilt Trip
I missed some details in this one, so here's hoping someone will fill in the blanks for us.
Antes, the whole closing scene from yesterday:
Ivan dines with Maripaz and pretends to romance her. He gives her the idea that nothing will happened between them without her getting a divorce. Carlota consoles Lucia over Lucrazia's ridiculous tirade, telling her that their money problems are the result of Lucrazia's past mistakes. If it comes to that they'll sell the house and live at the ranch. Esther waits up for Maripaz, who argues with David, then demands a divorce. In the morning Maripaz tells her that she won't have to wait up for her anymore and says that David has an announcement. JJ asks whether they're telling them that they will be abuelos (yeah, you wish). Judith jumps for joy, even Saul says “You didn't waste any time” in a nice-teasing way, but David announces that they will be getting a divorce. JJ assumes this is about their money situation, but Maripaz opens her big mouth about David's ED, saying that he couldn't cut the mustard on the honeymoon and that he's gay. He denies that, saying he has an impotence problem and the family feud goes on.
Ivan calls Lucia and arranges to have lunch with her.
Nuevo
La bodega: Camilo and Ivan talk about Ivan's sadness about his mother and his son. Camilo tries to tell him that it's been years, but Ivan tells him it's like an open wound in its heart. He intends to make the Curiels pay big for what they did to him, his mother, and his son. “You told me Lucrazia pushed for Lucia's engagement and Maripaz' marriage because of money and position.” Camilo responds “I suspected that.”
Casa Mondragon: Juan Heil-Me really lets David have it, going on about “Nobody gets a divorce in this house” and how a loca and a poco hombre will not bring shame on him. He turns to Saul and tells him not to get any stupid ideas either. After he and Saul leave the room Maripaz yells to Esther and David that she will seek a divorce on grounds of incompatibility without telling the truth, then exits. Esther asks Judith to talk to Maripaz, to reason with her; Judith tells her that when Maripaz gets onto something God can't make her change her mind.
E: Why didn't you tell me she was so willful, so bad?
J: I thought she was in love with David, but if my brother has this problem, it's normal for...
E: It's not normal. A wife who discovers a husband's weakness should be patient, affectionate, not argumentative and running out in the middle of the night, leaving him alone Do you know where she went?.
J: No, Mama. With her friends, or to a party...
E: Don't tell me she was with another man.”
Señora, usted es una avestruz.
La bodega: Camilo and Ivan talk about Lucia's engagement, with Ivan saying something about Ivan messing with this. Camilo understands about Maripaz, but not Lucia. Ivan tells him he'll be doing her a favor because Saul isn't right for her. This segues into Ivan's expression of gratitude to Camilo for saving his life. Camilo looks confused, then Ivan tells him about what Antolin told him after the fight was over and that he will always be grateful. Camilo looks like he's about to panic.
Tony enters, talking about buying this location. He and Ivan walk off, with Camilo thinking about Antolin's lie.
Commercial break
School: Lucia talks to a kid who stays up all night watching inappropriate TV programs in his room. It sounds like his parents pay little attention to him. Saul calls Lucia to apologise about the other day [Why is she answering her cell phone during a session with a patient?] and to ask her out. She tells him she has a lunch date with colleagues. He buys it and hangs up.
Casa Curiel: Maripaz tells Cleto to take her suitcases out of her (David's) car, then tells Carlota what just went down. She gloats over how this almost gave JJ a heart attack. Again David's impotence is mentioned (There is no privacy in either of these families). Just as she leaves the room Esther calls to talk to Lucrazia, but ends up telling Carlota the ugly details of the argument. How JJ was furious and won't permit a divorce. We have to get them to reconcile. Good luck with that.
Hotel Lobby: Ivan and Tony discuss business, with Ivan asking Camilo whether his sister would like to work for them. He says he thinks so because she currently works in a restaurant for minimum wage and tips. The chauffeur didn't show up and Camilo asks for the day off to take care of personal stuff. Ivan tells Tony he has an appointment and they briefly mention locating the maid who worked for the Curiels when Maripaz was pregnant. After Tony leaves Camilo tells Ivan it's about his ex, then makes an uncomfortable exit. The desk clerk tells Ivan that Maripaz had called; he tells her that he is not in to Maripaz in future.
Bar: Camilo looks for Antolin; he's pissed as he walks out.
Casa Galvan: Antolin is at home, taking heat from the womenfolk. Camilo slugs Antolin over the lie about the knifing. Antolin says he had no choice and a few other things I didn't get. From Celia's reaction it's obvious neither of the guys told her about this.
Hotel: Lucia appears to dine with Ivan and they talk about her work and the two kids she dealt with that morning. One had found a pistol and a dead body, the other is the TV addict. PSA about kids having TV in their rooms not being a good thing because parents don't control what kids watch [Editorial remark: That's why this story airs at 9PM EST.] He changes the subject to his confrontation with Carlota and asks for her understanding. She tells him that in the end she couldn't lie to him. He is grateful for her honestly. Flashback to their childhood and the pool incident. He explains that he was fascinated with Maripaz, with the intense feelings of an inexperienced youth, but was only an adventure for Maripaz. “But I was in love with her like an idiot.”
L: Are you still in love with her?
I: Is that important to you?
L: No. I know what my sister's feelings are.
Casa Curiel: As Carlota gazes at the portrait of Don Teodoro, Lucrazia gets home complaining about what's going on at the ranch. Carlota tells her about Maripaz coming home. Lucrazia gets on Maripaz' case, telling her she's to go back now and apologise. Maripaz refuses, claiming she has better prospects. When Lucrazia says there are no better prospects for her she tells her that she has one that's much richer and generous: Ivan McGuire. Lucrazia flips her lid over this, screaming about Ivan being the child of a servant. Maripaz loses it after hearing Lucia told Ivan what really happened to the baby.
These two need to get over themselves. The trouble with narcissists is they never face the fact they have issues.
Commercial break
Casa Curiel: Lucrazia tells Maripaz to give up this idea because Ivan hates them. They won't be getting any help from his company and Maripaz better return to her husband's house. Maripaz asks “He hates Lucia, too?” “Didn't I just say he hates all of us?” Lucrazia leaves in frustration and Maripaz picks up the phone. The hotel receptionist tells her that Ivan is not in. She pouts.
Hotel: Ivan tells Lucia about Alicia's death and that it's all the fault of the man who made her pregnant. Then Mari's rejection and the loss of his son. He sees she is crying, goes to her and apologises. He kisses her and she turns away. He asks her to help him find his child. She would accompany him on the weekend to meet with Incarnación, the maid who worked for the Curiels. Surely she would remember Lucia and that would be helpful. Lucia isn't sure what to tell her mother. Ivan suggests the truth or to make something up, anything. She isn't happy about this, but he pleads with her in the name of old friendship. He then gets the food, but she makes an excuse. He insists on giving her his cell number. A kiss and a few tears later she leaves without eating anything. Ivan realizes he's interested in her.
Universidad: Esther talks to David – who hasn't been home all day – over the phone about Maripaz' departure and JJ's anger. David appears to have no intention of returning. After he ends the call Lucia appears. He starts to tell her what happened and she spares him having to repeat it. She tells him there is a professor there who can help, but he doesn't want it known all over the place (talk about playing ostrich) and wants her to help him. She tells him she doesn't have the background for this, but that they could try once.
This is so wrong on so many levels.
Casa Mondragon: JJ demands to know where David and Maripaz are, peppered with insulting remarks, as usual, and he's obviously in denial about how many tongues are already wagging (in the wrong way).
Hotel: Ivan tells Tony about his conversation with Lucia and how complicated the encounter was. He asked her to accompany him on the weekend to meet with the maid. Tony asks him whether this is a good idea, in view of Lucia being unmarried and with a fiancé. Ivan answers that she hadn't accepted yet, but said she would think about it.
Casa Lomeli: Carolina talks to Antolin about his fight with Camilo. He's one cynical dude, with no belief in personal integrity: “Este mundo no es por honorados”. Gerry comes home and Antolin mentions the possibility of him helping him out about a business. Before he leaves he roughhouses with Alex before changing into shorts so they can play football.
Casa McGuire: Tony and Ivan talk about Ivan's need for justice and his need to find his child. He needs to know what happened, whether the child was adopted and by whom. He doesn't want to live forever with the anger. He's angry at the indifference from Mari's family at their own flesh and blood. Tony agrees and expresses empathy, but also the wish that the innocent are protected and that this doesn't cause more hurt than good. Wise dude.
Commercial break
Casa Curiel Morning. JJ arrives – ominously dressed in black – to drag Maripaz back by her hair. Lucrazia and Carlota are having their morning coffee as they talk about Mari and David.
L: I've told her in a thousand different ways why she should go back to him but she's being naughty [necia]. She only insists on a divorce.
C: If she doesn't want to what are we going to do? Neither is Maripaz a girl who can be made to do what you want.
Cleto enters to announce JJ's arrival and Lucrazia isn't really ready to deal with him.
C: Surely he's come for Maripaz.
Lucrazia expresses frustration but doesn't give instructions to put him off. She gets up and runs her fingers through her hair with an expression of resignation. Interesting how she's willing to face this music and not other.
Hotel: As Ivan works on his laptop the desk calls to tell him that Maripaz is calling for him.
Clerk: Will you take the call or should I say you aren't here?
He consents to take the call although he'd rather not.
I: Hola, Maripaz.
M: Hello, my love. They said you weren't here. I was thinking you not want to talk to me because of the lies Lucia told about me.
I: No, what it is is I've been a little busy.
M: You don't believe them, do you?
I: Look, I don't want to talk about your sister or that you talk about us.
M (only momentarily impactada): Can we see each other later?
I: Of course we can.
M: Good. Call me at my mother's home. I told the whole family about the divorce. How's that?
I (satisfied facial expression): That's very good.
Casa Curiel: JJ demands that Maripaz return to his home.
JJ: ... I've come for my daughter-in-law.
L: Maripaz doesn't want to go back, nor can we make her live with a man who is not a man.
JJ: Unimportant. Either she comes back or I will get her to.
C: This is not your home, Juan Heil-me. You can't just come here and [make demands].
JJ: Well, what do you think? That I want to look ridiculous in front of the whole world?
C: In this house we don't like shouting.
JJ (expression of mild irritation): I'm sorry, Doña Carlota. Lucrazia, this can't be. Leastwise now in front of the gringos. We must think of the scandal. We need those loans. I suppose it's as urgent for you as for me. [need help with the rest of his statement]
Nobody but the viewers realizes that Maripaz is eavesdropping.
L: What do you want us to do? Of course we need money, more than you do, but Maripaz is very stubborn [terca]. I was talking to her all evening and she doesn't want to..
JJ: Lucrazia, You are a smart woman. I'm sure you can make her understand. Explain the situation to her. She's to come back until the gringos give us the money and after that she can have what she wants. [Do we really believe him?]
L: Very well. I'll try one more time.
JJ: You don't know how grateful I am.
He starts talking about the dinner that Lucrazia wasn't present for and begins taking his leave. Maripaz ducks out of the hall so nobody knows she heard anything. He kisses Lucrazia's hand (this close-up obviously means something) and takes his leave with a minimum of mockery and a modicum of relief. I guess even Juan Heil-Me has to give it a rest once in a while.
C (after he leaves): Daughter, I say we should sell the house and live on the ranch.
L: I don't want to. If we do that everyone will know that we're in the water up to our necks.
C: Yes, I know. Everyone already knows. We're buried.
Lucrazia es impactada.
Bar: Saul gets boorish as usual, taking his frustration about Lucia out on the bartender. Antolin tries to calm him down.
I didn't get the fine details of their conversation, but the gist is that Antolin doesn't quite believe that Saul really has any feelings for Lucia. He suspects that the relationship is directed by JJ. Saul says something about Lucia being the only decent/respectable woman around.
Saul calls Lucia to ask her out to dinner but she puts him off, telling him she's tired and will talk to him another day. She hangs up before he can react. Saul pretends to still have her on the line, saying “Many kisses, my love.” He says nothing to Antolin, who probably figured out what happened.
Commercial break
Casa Galvan: Celia tries to talk to Camilo, who is still guilt-ridden over the incident. She asks who really killed the other guy. He tells her it doesn't matter and ironically, Ivan is grateful for his life being saved. But he's crying because Antolin accuses him of murder “...and he's my brother.” Celia tells him the family will stick together through anything. Camilo doesn't seem to buy it, getting up angrily and going on about Antolin [missing details here due to combination of anger and music]. He also goes on about how Antolin didn't give a damn about what happened to Ivan afterward. Celia seems to ignore what Camilo is implying, saying that Ivan did well, he's back, and Sra. Lucrazia could have had him arrested. Camilo is now deeply conflicted, resenting Ivan's good fortune compared to his own lack of it. He even owes his present job to him.
This guy also needs a shrink and Celia needs a reality check.
Casa Curiel: Lucia gets home as Lucrazia and Carlota talk about the girls,
L: I know they'll say it's all my fault and maybe they're right, but I always wanted the best for my daughters and my family.
C: I know, but what you think is best perhaps isn't for them. Maripaz and David have different tastes [gustos], and Lucia has broken it off with Saul. They have nothing in common.
L: How? When did this happen?
Lucia enters and kisses her mother.
Lucrazia: What's this about you breaking up with Saul?
C: Sorry, hija, but she had to know sooner or later.
Lucia: Mama, Saul and I are taking a break to see if we should stay together.
Maripaz – who was obviously eavesdropping again – enters with an attitude.
M: You broke up with Saul?
Lucia: That is not your business.
M: Of course it is my business. And you know why? Because you're still in love with Ivan. As you always were. Now that he's rich and has position, you're all over him.
Lucia: That is not true
M: Yes, it's true. Or why would you talk trash about me?
Lucia: No, I only told him the truth.
M: Your “truth”.
Lucia (trying to exit): I don't have to put up with this.
M (grabbing Lucia's arm and pulling her back): You're not leaving, coward. You don't have the guts to tell this in front of us.
Lucia: So I talked to him. He asked me some questions and I only answered truthfully. About everything you did.
M: I didn't do anything.
Lucia: You had a baby you tried to abort. The whole time you went on about hating the baby.
M: Don't you argue with me. One thing is clear: You're never going near Ivan again.
In your dreams, cualquiera.
Lucia and homeboy duet. I love the closing notes of that song.
Avances: Celos y rumores as the two sisters sharpen their claws and go at it over Ivan.
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Just two things that I can go in and change for you. Only Celia (and now Ivan) know that Saul is Lechita's dad. She told Ivan that she and acrmen kept it a secret from Camilo and Antolin, because they would have killed Saul had they known. The other thing is that Lucrazia told Maripaz that Ivan is in no way interested in her because Lucia told him the truth about what happened with the baby and now he's ticked at all of them. She doesn't seem to care anymore that he's the son of a servant. Money can do that. And it was another woman at the front desk when Maripaz called Ivan. She was still at home. I'll make the changes and be back to comment in a bit.
My Lucrazy and Merry Piece are a piece of work. Boy are they delusional she thinks now she can hand over Merry Piece to Ivan to save her house? The Ivan she wanted to be beaten to death by her goons from the ranch.
I hope they are forced to sell the main house and Ivan does buy it it serve both her and her mother right.
I'm not cutting Carlotta any slack because she has allowed Lucrazy to get away with so much so far. Her whining to Tony the other day i wasn't sympathetic towards her at all.
Yeah there's no way even Antolin would have put up with Saul getting his sister pregnant like that and not done something to him. My question is how neither he nor Camilio never knew Saul and their sister saw each other.
Not liking Ivan's revenge plan against Lucia she is innocent. This sort of reminds of the revenge plan in Guadalupe as the galan married the heroine for revenge but fell in love with her.
JJ what a horrible father but it did look like David had had enough of his verbal abuse.No David going to your sister in law about your little problem doesn't sound like it will end well. I can see a lot of misunderstanding happening over this.
Wait until JJ finds out that Merry Piece already has had a baby that should go over well with him.
Saul, like his daddy, seems to like to have flings with lower class girls on the down-low. Just as no one knew who Ivan's dad was, no one knows who Lechita's dad is. No one except Celia (and the baby-mama of course), and now Celia knows one more secret- about the stabbing.
Interesting that Antolin went to Carolina to vent after his fight with Camilo, but wouldn't tell her what the fight was about. Then he started speaking about how not everyone can be good and have their conscious be clear like Gerry. Caro hesitated, which made Antolin ask if Gerry had something he was hiding. She tried to change the subject by joking around, even though Antolin was pushing to find out what it could be. Gerry then came in with Alex. Antolin was really cute with Alex. It's obvious that Gerry only tolerates Antolin, but everyone else in his household seems to love Antolin. Looks like he's found a second home.
Also, when Antolin was arguing with the womenfolk, it was because he was offering a job making more money to Carmen to work in one of the shady places he's associated with. It seemed like it was a bar or some such, because Carmen was offended. Antolin pointed out that no one would dare touch her because she's his sister, and besides, it's not like she's some angel, being a single mom and all and no one even knows who's the daddy. That really ticked off Carmen and Celia, but they still kept the (dirty) money he had brought them, despite Camilo's protests.
Like our galan Jero in CME, Ivan is going to end up hurting Lucia and making it hard for her to forgive him when this revenge plot is revealed. Even if he thinks separating her from Saul is for her own good, she won’t like the fact that he’s stringing her sister along too. Now, will she go with him to Guaymas? Will we get some romance on the beach?
Plus she just married David too she is still a married woman.I can see her going off with Ivan just to get back at Merry Piece.
As for Lucrazy you told and warn your mother not to tell Ivan the truth about the baby. You also warned your evil spawn merry Piece but you didn't say one word to Lucia so for you to get upset that she has to assume to know what others have been told is not logical.
I so want them to lose that house for all of her nastiness.
Yeah i'm not getting Celia's logic and just because Ivan is successful now it doesn't excuse what Antolin pulled especially keeping most of that much needed money that Gerry gave him to give to Ivan.
Is it me but i get the feeling that JJ isn't long for this world and that they will have a long list of suspects who might have done him in. The main being blamed is Ivan of course.
I don't think Iván intends to hurt Lucia, although he wants to get even with the Curiels. Lucia has always been kind to him & even told the truth about his child.
Yes Antolín is a puzzling character.
Vivi, thanks for posting and if you are interested in MA3 tonight, it is another rerun and Kat recapped it. Look for 2/24 "The Case of the Ratty Stepdad" Carlos, Aleida Nunez is in this one.
Rosemary
* Señora usted es...
*This is wrong on so many levels
* Plus you acknowledged that a professional would not be taking calls on their cell.
And most importantly:
I love the "Lucia and homeboy duet" that you sign off with.
Originally I thought Antolin was going to be complete scum, but he is so nice to Carolina and Alex. I almost kind of like the guy. And I am really enjoying Kika. I've never seen her in anything before.
What a thorough, juicy recap! Thank you.
Last night things slowed down just a bit, I thought. I hope this isn't the start of a lag. The notion was starting to enter my tight-beanied head that we viewers do deserve better than these highly predictable set-ups and plots and the egregious sexism and stupid-ism about sex and sexuality that we are experiencing with JJ and family. Is there anyone in the town who doesn't know about David's problemita???? But I'm banishing the thought as I am enjoying this novela in general.
Kika was very good in Amor Real(opposite Mauricio Islas)and in Pasion (opposite Wm Levy). Don't think I've seen her in anything else. She sings beautifully, too.
Good luck to everyone in the hurricane's reach. In the greater NYC area, we're following it closely.
Great observation about how Ivan may just be able to claim the house without handing over a single centavo. Lucrazia and Carlota would end up having to do time over the fraud and imagine that scandal.
As for Camilo and Antonlin killing Saul over Carmen... that would be doing a community service.
He also seems to have a plan to seduce Lucia away from Saul, but doesn't seem to know how to go about it since Lucia is not at all like Maripaz (throwing herself at him), and he cares about her and wouldn't want to hurt her. He is convincing himfself that if he ends up separating Lucia from Saul (which he doesn't know she's already done herself) he is doing her a favor. The only person he would be hurting is Lucrezia, who is the one who really wants her daughters to have relationships with the Mondragons. I think he also believes that it would bug the heck out of JJ and Saul, and he's right. David is just collateral damage.
The problem is, no matter how he goes about "stealing" Lucia from Saul, he really cares for her, he has a growing attraction to her, and he knows that she has been in love with him since she was a little girl. He has to tread carefully and I'm sure he's going to screw it all up.
Myo
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