Friday, August 19, 2011

La Fuerza del Destino #12 Thu 08/18/11 La Fuerza de Ivan's homecoming

Well, Maripaz isn't happy about getting no action on her wedding afternoon. Pobre de David is left alone on that fabulous balcony while Maripaz goes down to the bar to get her drink on. David cries. Ouch!

Juan Jaime bitches about the crappy chilaquiles. Estela doesn't want to talk about that, though…"I was thinking…" Bad start, he mocks her for saying she was thinking. She wants to fix up David's room for when he comes home with his bride. JJ doesn't want to pay for it. And if Maripaz was stupid enough to marry David, well, she can just live in his little boy bedroom. At least he doesn't have a racecar bed. JJ is determined that David will prove he's a man by knocking Maripaz up and giving him a grandchild. But he doesn't discount the possibility that David is just trying to put one over on all of them. Anyway, he's not spending any money on "estupideces" (stupid shit). Estela needs to get it into her head, says JJ.

The next day, Maripaz flirts with guys at the pool on her way to meet David for breakfast. He let her sleep in and asks if she wants breakfast. Maripaz calls a waiter over and orders breakfast for herself. David says he'll have the same. This is the second time we've seen them have a meal together and both times, she orders something and he says he'll have the same. Seems like a red flag to me. Maripaz doesn't want to discuss the night before, or to go back early to cause gossip. She decrees that they'll stay for the days they planned , which will seem eternal. She refuses his offer to try again. As a matter of fact, she wants him to get his own room. She'll keep her mouth shut when they get home, but then she's asking for a divorce. And what does he respond? "Como tu digas" (whatever you say). Ouch.

Back in town, the ranchers are convening for a meeting to see what can be done to help them all with their tough agricultural times. JJ sends Lucrezia Borgia into the board room to wait with the others while he checks with his secretary to see if everyone has arrived yet. She tells him Saul is in his office dealing with an email that just arrived from…dun, dun, dun…McGuire Import/Export. JJ goes to check it out.

Saul doesn't really care about checking them out further, he's ready to dive right in. McGuire wants to come to the area and do business. They want to have the farmers form a co-op and export crops to the US! They have contracts with supermarkets! They're going to offer credit! And they're going to buy a packing plant! And Saul wants to sell them the Mondragon's old crappy falling apart one. "Yeah, and why would they want it?" Good point JJ.

In the meeting, everyone is excited about McGuire coming to town. They're all asking very good questions--why? What? One asks "What if they screw us over?" ("fregarnos," "screw us over") JJ sagely points out that they can't get more screwed than they already are. He informs the assemblage that it's the "mero meros" (big bosses) themselves who are coming to check things out--Anthony McGuire and Ivan McGuire. "Oh," says one of the guys, "that sounds good." 10 gallon hats nod all around and no one hears the anvil. They wonder what McGuire wants in exchange for their loans. Some kind of guarantees, perhaps, but what kind, wonders Lucrezia. JJ doesn't know, but he calls her "mi reina" (my queen) when he answers her.

Later, Lucrezia reminds him not to do that in public. She wants to know what he really thinks of a deal with McGuire. JJ is cautiously optimistic. He says he's been thinking, since there was no dowry for Maripaz, maybe she could rent him some land. When the gringos show up, he's sure to get preference as president of the association, and she'll be raking in the big bucks!

Carlota opines that it's JJ who will get the big bucks and he'll pass on as little as possible to Lucrezia. She thinks so too and knows she can't trust JJ. Carlota asks what the names of those guys were again…"Anthony and Ivan." Ivan's name catches Carlota's attention, but Lucrezia thinks it's just a coincidence. There are lots of Ivans in the world. Carlota thinks she should tell them her problems. "After all, being a woman on your own, with an ancient mother…." Carlota thinks she might get more help from them. And she can always offer the house as a guaranty. Lucrezia is shocked. "If it goes really badly, you can even give them the ranch house!" Lucrezia thinks the ranch house is a "pocilga" (crap shack), but Carlota thinks it's more of a fixer-upper. She and Teodoro used to live there quite happily. "If they're good people," says Carlota, "they'll help us out." But Lucrezia is doubtful. And worried. Maripaz hasn't called. Carlota thinks it's because she's having a great time. Pobre de Carlota when she finds out the truth!

Pobre de David, watching his wife hanging out and meeting people. She asks if he got the room yet. "Yeah, I told them I'm an insomniac." Maripaz whines about not having any money. David is happy to get her some, as long as she doesn't hang out with other people and make him look bad when everyone knows they're married. Maripaz doesn't care what the hotel staff think. David warns her not to provoke him. "Don't you provoke me either! Or do you want me to tell everyone I married a gay by mistake?"

In LA, at McGuire Mansion (does that make it a McMansion?) Ivan comes home to find Tony reading in the living room. Ivan's actually home early. "I got an answer from Alamos. They're interested. Saul Mondragon sent it to me, on behalf of his father. They're happy to meet us and talk to us. It was a very friendly email. They even offered to make our hotel reservations. If it's ok with you, we'll go this weekend." Tony agrees.

Lucrezia is getting her paperwork in order for the ranch, in case the McGuires want to see it. Lucia comes home from a long day of actual work. She ran into Saul outside the university and he's all excited about the Americans coming. Saul told her they're going to help the neediest farmers to improve their crops and export them. "Is that true?" Lucrezia says that's why she's reviewing the paperwork, just in case they ask for it. Carlota reminds Lucrezia that they still need to get a new administrator. Lucrezia says both theirs and JJ's turned out to be "rateros" (theives). Lucia suggests asking Gerry, but Lucrezia says he's no good at it and he's got his own job. "Yeah, but it's not going too well." Too bad, says Lucrezia. Carlota points out that Lucia teaches all morning, takes classes all afternoon, and maybe has a little bit of a lunch…"Aren't you starving?" Lucia says she could eat "una vaca entera!" (a whole cow). Carlota takes her to the kitchen to rustle up some grub.

Ivan is nervous about going home. He has so many expectations and has so many memories. He was mostly happy there, except the last few days. He wants to see how his godparents' family is doing. He remembers how Carmen cried when he left. Tony thinks he'll find them all just as he left them. Ivan hopes they're all alive and well. Camilo should have graduated, maybe he's even married. Ivan doesn't know why he never answered his letters. Well, Tony says, this weekend all Ivan's doubts will be cleared up.

JJ talks to Estela and Judith about the Americans (the Americans are coming, the Americans are coming!). Judith wonders if they're older or younger, but JJ doesn't care. Saul comes running in to announce that they're coming on Saturday. JJ orders Saul to reserve the rooms and hopes they don't expect JJ to pay for them. Saul gets verbally kicked for asking which rooms he should reserve. "Good ones! Do I have to think of everything myself?" JJ says he'll call David to come home, honeymoon be damned, it's business that's important! David puts up a token resistance, but JJ demands they be home tomorrow at the latest and hangs up before David can say another word. He goes back to the table while Estela looks worried.

David goes over to "Maripaz's room" because she wasn't answering her cell. He asks where she was all day. First off, she says, the battery in her old crappy phone, which he should have replaced, died. David tells her not to bother answering the question, "Just pack your bags because tomorrow we're going home." Maripaz has a brief moment of humanity, wondering if everyone in her family are ok. David says they're fine, but some Americans are coming to do business. "What's that got to do with me?" Well, honey, since you screwed one of them…. David says his dad wants him there and no, she can't stay and hang out, she's his wife! Maripaz asks if he's planning to drag her out of there through the lobby and shove her in a taxi. She gives him a shove and the music gets dramatic before we go to commercial.

David comes home. Alone. I predict no fewer than 3 bleepings when his father finds out. Estela is happy to see him. JJ accepts the excuse that since it's vacation season, he could only get one ticket home. He tells David to get his ass over to the association HQ cause they've got to plan for the arrival of the gringos. He leaves and Estela asks David how things went. We don't really hear his answer.

Ivan and Tony are back in Mexico. They get a taxi from the airport and stop at the scenic overlook (aka, Makeout Point) and Ivan points out all the landmarks to Tony. The square, the places he and Maripaz used to go together. He doesn't really want to drive around town, he wants to see Maripaz face to face. She's got a lot of 'splaining to do!

The taxi takes them to the hotel. Ivan never thought he'd be staying there. The clerk informs them they have 2 suites and she has Saul's card. He asked that they call when they arrive. Ivan looks at the card and notices it's Juan Jaime's card with Saul's handwritten numbers on the back.

JJ hopes they speak Spanish, because his English sucks. Saul supposes so, since the emails were in Spanish. "Yeah, well, a secretary could have written them." David offers to go with him, since his English is good. JJ turns him down and I am completely confused…what the fuck did he ask him to interrupt his honeymoon for if he thinks he's so useless?! JJ plans to bring the McGuire's home for dinner to make them feel welcome. He summons Estela and tells her the gringos are coming to dinner, so she'd better make some tasty food. The guys assume those gringos probably can't handle spicy food, so they tell Estela to make something, uh, elegant. What a classy pair JJ and Saul are. And uneducated. Everyone knows gringos LOVE spicy food! He tells her they don't want to look like a bunch of "indios" who eat nothing but beans. And yes, that's "indians," which has been synonymous with being low-class since Cortéz and his boys showed up. But hey, I'm not bitter. JJ tells David to get his wife back home, even if it's on a burro. That would be a sight! JJ gets a call from Ivan, who kisses his ass. He remembers the good old days, back when he'd first met his sperm donor. JJ sucks up some more and Ivan puts him on hold for a sec to ask Tony if he wants to have dinner at the Mondragon's. JJ also says he's going over to meet them personally at the hotel. JJ gets off the phone and tells them he now knows the McGuires are a father and son and the son sounds like he's about Saul's age. "Become his friend. Take him to parties, and that kind of thing." JJ orders his wife into the kitchen. He tells Saul to invite Ivan out tomorrow, not at dinner, so they can keep it among the young people.

David calls Maripaz, who whines that she doesn't want to go home, while some dude who she thinks she'll get tired of banging in about, hmmm, 3 days, strokes her arm with a flower. He tells her the room's only paid up through that evening, so if she doesn't come home she's on her own to pay the bill. He hangs up and wonders what he's going to do with her. Well, I only had the one suggestion and since that part of the equation doesn't seem to be working out…. Estela comes in to ask David what happened with the honeymoon. He tells her he wasn't up to his manly duty. "But you were so sure! You explained, right? Didn't you try it again?" (Moooooooom!) But David doesn't seem to mind having this conversation with her. He tells her she didn't want to. He really wants Maripaz, bitchy and insensitive as she is. His mom is furious and says a woman should make her husband feel good about himself, damnit! Well, I don't disagree, but I think she's expecting a lot, considering it's Maripaz. David is tired of having this "problem" and wants to consult anyone who can help. He doesn't care about what his dad says, he's going to get things taken care of! OK, maybe I'm oversimplifying, but, couldn't he just pop over a few towns and pick up some Viagra at the drugstore? Hell, couldn't he mail order it? Who's gonna know?

Tony wonders how Ivan is going to behave with the Mondragons. Ivan says like a normal person, with manners. Speaking of which, Tony would prefer that Ivan address him as "tu." Ivan refuses, out of respect, but not to put distance between them. JJ comes up to them and introduces himself. He doesn't recognize Ivan at all. The guys sit down and they all order tequila. Tony fills JJ in on his mother coming from Alamos and then asks about Ivan. "I'm Mexican. From Tampico." JJ looks surprised until Tony says that Ivan is his adopted son. "He handles all my business dealings. As you see, he's a very intelligent man." JJ says he's lucky, his sons are worthless. The tequilas arrive and JJ is rude to the waiter. "Ya era hora" (it's about time). They toast and drink their shots, though Ivan appears to abstain.

When JJ leaves, Ivan and Tony talk. Tony thought he was friendly. Ivan says he didn't feel anything towards him, just indifference. But he still holds him responsible for his mother's death. "Indifference can be more dangerous than hate." Ivan does know the sons. He remembers Saul always riding around in nice cars. Saul was a womanizer, he remembers. Tony is going to go rest. Ivan says he'll go for a walk, but they need to rent a car tomorrow.

Lucia whines to Saul. She doesn't want to go to dinner. Ivan spies on them talking and goes into some alternate universe where Lucia is crying and he kisses her.

Carlota looks at a photo album. Lucia comes home and looks at the pictures, noticing that her "grandpa" looks a lot like Ivan.

Ivan wanders through Alamos and eventually makes it to Camilo's house. He finds out from a woman passing by that Celia does still live there, but since no one's answering the door, she must be out.

Lucrezia comes home and finds Lucia and Carlota looking at the pictures. Lucia got out of class early because her prof didn't show up. She's annoyed that she's going to miss class tomorrow because she's going out with Saul and the younger McGuire. Lucrezia is pleased and wants Lucia to look pretty, be nice, and pretend to like him even if he's a jerk. Lucrezia gets offended by Lucia's attitude and storms out. Lucia comments to Carlota that the only thing the matters to her mother is money. Carlota advises her to ignore her mother. Plus, she thinks Lucia doesn't need to do anything special for anyone to like her. Of course not, she's a grandma! "You think affection blinds me?" Lucia laughs over a picture of someone in a bathing suit at a beach.

JJ invites the McGuires into his house and introduces Estela and his kids. Judith seems to recognize Ivan. JJ invites them to sit down while he serves tequilas. He reminds Saul to make friends with Ivan. Judith asks about their house in LA, which Tony calls "comfortable." Tony gives Ivan a significant look when everyone has their tequilas in hand. JJ, the consummate ass, says he hopes dinner is "decent" since his cook is lousy and his wife can't cook either. Estela says she did the best she could and Tony is gracious, saying he's sure dinner will be wonderful. Ivan agrees with David that it's a beautiful, historic city. He makes a face when Saul mentions the "anthros" (clubs). JJ rolls his eyes.

Camilo heads home just as Antolín is rolling up. He's been out looking for work. Antolín, on the other hand has been looking for a party. He gives Camilo the gossip that Maripaz got married. He invites Camilo out for a beer, but Camilo says he has to get up early. He gives in and gets in the car, asking who Maripaz married.

Antolín asks how Camilo is doing since "the divorce." Ooh, who did he marry? Camilo says he's been broke since they ran him off the ranch. Antolín asks what happened to his ex. "She went back home, but she wants alimony!" And he's got no income. Antolín is doing well, or so he says. They go back to talking about Maripaz marrying David. Antolín says everyone thought he was "medio rarito" (half strange; i.e. gay--I think we can safely assume at this point that anytime someone talks about David while smirking, sneering, or getting bleeped, they probably used some phrase that means "gay"). And then to marry Maripaz, who's a "reventada" (party-er; "reventon" is a "blowout"). Well, opines Antolin, "nunca falta un roto para un descosido" (there's someone for everyone; literally, there is never lacking a broken one for an unstitched one). They toast to David and Maripaz.

Ivan leaves the hotel, leaving a note for Tony at the front desk. He asks if they have a car rental agency and the desk clerk gives him a card.

Ivan goes to visit his mother's grave. He asks the attendant who brought the flowers and finds out it was a man, he visits regularly, and he tips the attendant to keep the grave looking nice. Ivan asks for the man's name, but doesn't get an answer before the show ends.

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OMG, Camilo was married?! I wonder if we'll get to meet his ex.
 

Thank you so much for the detailed recap! It really helps me since I can only get the gist of most conversations, especially slang.

It's funny how they threw in that alternate universe... I had to rewind it when Lucia runs into the next scene to compare outfits and verify we were back in the "real world" again. The flashback scenes weren't nearly as disjointed.

I am curious to know about Camilo as well. I just hope he gets it together soon. Can only take so many depressed men ( ie David). Glad Gerardo got his balls back for good it seems to make one less :)
 

If she's alive, we will meet Camilo's ex or she wouldn't have been mentioned. That's a Televisa law.

Ibarramedia mentioned in yesterday's discussion that I bring up the subject of toxic parents. Yes, it is from personal experience but it's also because toxic parents (and their surrogates) are probably the largest villain class in novelas. This is because they are able to inflict the most damage. Think about the recent ones we've seen:

Bernarda Iturbide of TdA
Pepa/Josefina of CME
Rodrigo of CS 2009
Rosario of Mi Pecado
Carlota of ENDA
Gabriela of FELS
Leonor of STuD
Juana, Adelaida, and Francisco of Alborada

There are many others if we care to look back. I think Juan Jaime is more than worthy of inclusion on that list. He was in fine form in this episode.

He also showed how little class he actually has. Great combination.
 

Dear 5 ft,

Great recap. Questions abound: Camilo's wife, Alex (Gerry's son), Atolin's relationship with Gerry's sister-in-law.

I guess that no one but Judith had seen Ivan during his last few years in Sonora. No one showed the least recognition.

Tony was so complimentary about Estela's dinner -- a romance down the road. She definitely needs to get away from JJ. He and Lucrezia are really vilanous.
 

Thanks for the recap! I suspect that we are in for a lot of "bidnez" conversations which means I will be very dependent on recaps.

I sort of have to adjust the beanie with the fact that NO ONE seems to recognize Ivan.

The flash-forwards are kind of jarring. I sort of felt like they put that one in last night because it occurred to them that the audience might like to actually see the two "lovers" together. Does it usually take this long to see the two leads as a couple?
 

Kat- Thanks so much for the great recap amiga. Are you doing one for Mujeres Asesinas too? I actually watched it last night as it starred Kika Edgar (sweet, blind Carolina in LFdD) playing a trans-sexual muderess who has an affair with the guy who played goofy Dandy in HQEDNS. Kika Edgar was great! LFdD is the first thing I've seen her in, and now MA. If I didn't go into it knowing it's the same actress, it would have taken me a long time to make the connection. She even uses a deeper voice (for obvious reasons) which sounds nothing like the sweet voice she uses in LFdD.

As for last night's episode, that flash forward was crazy. So, are we seeing what will be Ivan and Lucia's first kiss? How soon will this happen? Why is she crying? I guess these are all the questions the writers want us to ask after showing that tidbit.

The fact that no one in his father's family recognized him, shows how little rich people pay attention to poor people. Judith, of course displayed some recognition, as she used to stare at Ivan for more than a milisecond. But I guess her brain can't compute that that Ivan could be THIS RICH Ivan. I wonder when she'll figure it out? From the previews it seems the Curiel women have no problem recognizing him and Lucrezia and Maripaz decide to get their stories about the baby straight. The question is, will Lucrezia tell JJ who Ivan really is? Will Maripaz tell Judith who he really is?

I'm also curious about Camilo's ex wife. Was there any mention of kids?
 

This is my first post here ... Thank you for the great recap; I've missed this episode last night ... Ivan never interacted with the Mondragons while in Alamos; the reason why Judith recognized him was because a) she knew that Maripaz had a thing with him and b) the girls around town all had a thing for him including her ... JJ and Ester never had words with 19 y/o Ivan and I don't think Saul; being the big dog in town will want anything to do with law class Ivan and I presumed back then David was shy and didn't mingle with anyone either .... my .02 cents

Myo
 

Kat, great recap, thanks once again. I don't know how you keep up with your very busy schedule.

UA, what about Marcela of Eva Luna for your list of toxic parents.

Vivi, last night's episode of MA was a rerun. Kat did a great recap for the 1/27 episode entitled "The Case of the Disappointed Dancer".

Rosemary
 

Thanks Rosemary! Just read it. Great job Kat. Are they re-running all the ones they showed before the hiatus?

Welcome Myo! Please comment more often. You are totally correct about how the Mondragons basically had no contact with teen Ivan, so there is no reason for them to recognize him. I half doubt JJ would even be able to identify the children who grew up with him if he hadn't seen them in 10 years. That guy ony has eyes for women's backsides and him self. I always luagh when he preens himself in front of the mirror of his house.
 

Thanks for the quick recap Kat. I was going to commnet on it when I saw it but was too sleepy to do so.

UA, spot on with the toxic parents list. Perhaps we could include
Montserrat Rivera de Elizalde played by Erika Buenfil who was Antonieta in TDA. The only thing is that she was too weak and was killed by Babs too early in MEPS but she had those qualities. Artemio Bravo would qualify as well. Camilo and Anibal could be toxic brothers. Bruno from Sortilegio played by David Zepeda was a toxic brother. Glad to know that someone was able to read my very last comment last night since it was posted late.

I also wanted to point out a symbolism that most people did not see. David's room has those bars that look like prison bars and it could mean either he or his mother are prisoners within their own home. ***Shrugs shoulders***



Ibarramedia
 

Marcela makes that list. So do:

Bernarda of La Otra
Lucrezia of Salome
Mariano of Por Un Beso
Alvaro of Duelo de Pasiones

There's tons of them out there.
 

A big GRACIAS to 5ft. Latina for yet another great job. I always enjoy your recaps.

I, too, found the alternate universe/fast forward/daydream scene confusing. I watched it twice and was still scratching my head. One of this tn's first instances of poor editing imho. Ivan was never interested in Lucia romantically growing up, considering her too young. This scene came out of the blue. No comprendi and I still don't.

I don't find it too strange that nobody recognizes Ivan. As someone already mentioned, oftentimes the poor among us are invisible. I just saw the movie "The Help". The same thing happened to African-American maids in the pre-civil rights south.

Sondie
 

I think it is possible some may not recognize Ivan. This is supposed to be 10 years later. I changed my look since Feb of 2009 and decided to shave my head and some people did not recognize me. I may grow it back on September.

I won't be surprised if Maripaz and Lucia recognize Ivan since they are prety close and intimate. Even Judith sort of recognized him. Another case of pseudo Count of Monte Cristo returns with new name and wealth for vengeance. Just like Eduaro Juarez/Franco Santoro of MEPS.




Ibarramedia
 

5ft thanks for the great recap.

My goodness JJ is horrible no wonder poor David can't perform and now he's shackled to Lucrazy's hell spawn. Poor guy can't catch a break, this is just me but i do find it a little creepy and weird to be discussing if your able to have sex with one of your parents. It's not even his father but his mother.Granted with a father like JJ i guess his mother was the one he always turned to discuss things.

I was thrown off by the flash forward scene and i didn't think he got a good look at Lucia fully in the face i thought he had only seen her the side of her face.

So Ivan meets Lucia tonight. boy this is going to be trouble he got Maripaz pregnant when they were still teenagers. Now she is married to David who can't perform.

Lucia who has always been in love with Ivan has turned out to be quite the beauty and doesn't have all the frequent flyer mileage her sister has. She's engaged to the second coming of JJ and not really in love with him at all.

Lucrazy slaps Lucia and it seems like Carlotta isn't going to allow her to get away with that.
 

Vivi, Kida Edgar was in the first season of MA as a victim. If you're interested, here is the complete episode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_ZE9TLKWxI&feature=sh_e_se&list=SL

This series is not for the faint-hearted.

I'm gong to amend a previous comment about Maripaz. I think she may end up cheating with JJ. That would not be surprising, as he is engaged in competition with both of his sons and openly expresses his contempt for both of them in front of relative strangers. Ivan is so lucky not to have grown up around him.
 

OK, so that was a flash forward? Wow! Thanks, I was so stumped.

I've been so waiting for the show to get to "the present", but so far I've been pretty underwhelmed. It just seems to plod along in a very predictable way. Maybe it'll surprise me - I hope. the only actor who really engages me is Sandra, although I also enjoy Carlota and Gerry.

I have an eastern feed of Univision on my satellite TV, so this comes on at 6 local time and is usually the only one I catch if I even make it back to the RV by then.

Audrey
 

Vivi in DC, Thanks for the welcome! regarding the symbolism as someone mentions; I concur not only the prison bars throughout the Mondragon home (D's room and also the living room area entrance -- this household is a prison and the warden is none other than mysoginistic JJ -- also another symbolism at this house is the mirror in the leaving room where D stood there looking at himself after he returned from the bothed honeymoon ...

Question/Clarification por favor?

Saul only served the drinks to the guys not to Ester and Judith, and as he did that there was an unconfortable eye contact between Ivan and Tony -- my first thought was why didn't they serve the women as well -- I don't understand the cause of that initial uneasinest between the Mcguires, could someone elaborate please? ....

Myo -
 

Kat: Thanks for the recap. Full of snark and snickers. I think we all must have had to do a RR<< with that scene. I thought maybe it was a flashback using the adult version of Lucia to signify he knows who she is and was remembering comforting her about something. , or perhaps it was accidentally edited in by mistake. That's the only thing that makes sense. I mean why should we want to see the two of them together--out of context--for crying out loud???
 

I see them not recognizing Ivan now. I just figured since Saul and Antolin hang out he might've recognized Ivan. But if he's like his father, of course not!

The forward scene seemed like a foreshadowing of Ivan comforting Lucia after Saul breaks her heart (since it spawned off of their scene together). Even then it just doesn't fit.

Poor David. Maripaz is like the female version of JJ. Harsh, judgmental, egotistical and sets a bad example for their entire gender.
 

Hola Vivi in DC. I will constantly be referring to your 'family tree' outline from yesterday, until I get it.

gracias.
 

Thanks 5ft. for your excellent , as always, recap. Thanks also to the commentors who cleared up some things for me. I was going to say, ''Pat, I'd like to buy a vowel'' or perhaps a beanie since Ivan looked and sounded exactly like he did before he left Mexico. The flash forward/alternate universe scene of Ivan kissing Lucia also confused me. As for the toxic parents that inhabit all telenovelas, we can add Matilde's dreadful, snobby madre as well as Manuel's padre who refused to acknowledge him in Amor Real. It often seems that one of the parents is toxic while the other is a sweet milktoast who can't or won't stand up to his/her toxic partner. [Matilde's papa was a sweetiepie.]
 

Saul only served the drinks to the guys not to Ester and Judith, and as he did that there was an unconfortable eye contact between Ivan and Tony -- my first thought was why didn't they serve the women as well --
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Myo- That was an interesting scene. I think in the macho Mondragon household, women are not supposed to drink hard liqour like tequila. That's not unusual in conservative societies. I've been in plenty of places where it would be scandalous for a woman to drink or smoke. Boy, is Maripaz in for a shock when she moves in!

As for Ivan and Tony's discomfort, well, I would be uncomfortable too watching a man put down his wife and children right in front of me. I wouldn't know where to place my eyes. Add to that the secret of Ivan being said jerk's child, and their secret motives for being there, and I see plenty of reasons for furtive, uncomfortable looks between Ivan and Tony.
 

hola.....just got back from vacation...and checked in and caught up......thanks for the recap 5ft....alway love your style.....gosh i can't stand JJ and the way he tapped his wife on her head hard.....i would of tripped him...big jerk.....maripaz needs alot of smacking around too....so mean....BNinCA
 

Kika (the blind woman) was also in Amor Real, and sang in her own (novela) wedding. Assumming it was really her singing, maybe we'll get to see a duet between her and Lucia?
 

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