Saturday, October 08, 2011
La Fuerza del Destino #45 Fri 10/07/11 Boffless in Alamos, Or That Old Blackma-a-a-i-i-i-l Has Me In Its Spell!
Viewerville returns south of the border just as Ivan and Lucia are about to begin the bed-sheet bounce ‘n shuffle. In walks Lucia’s dissed big sis, Maripaz! Ruh-roh!! Cara de impactada de Maripaz!
Van angrily asks what MP’s doing there. “—A better question is what you’re doing here!” She turns to Lucia. “—So, Señorita Saintly, here you are taking a roll in the hay with another lover?” “—Ivan’s not my lover, he’s my fiancé!” Spiteful Merry Piece, with a catty smile, begins screaming for Mama at the top of her lungs. “—And did he come in the window like he used to do with me?” Van tries to shut her up but she says the family needs to realize what a hypocrite [mosca muerta] her kid sis really is!
In come Carlota and Lucrecia to see what the problem is, but MP—or maybe Carly--says, isn’t it obvious? Van, in a state of dis-dress distress explains he was just saying good-bye to his beloved since she’ll be gone for quite a while. For Lucrazia it’s just 2nd verse, same as the first. “—So, you couldn’t wait and maybe come through the front door to speak to her in the living room???” The Morality Patrol, aka Maripaz, sticks its oar in again, feigning shock, shock at such moral turpitude! Carly shuts her down. “--Like you should talk what with the orgies you’ve been hosting at that apartment!!” MP objects, saying they were only parties, and anyway what proof does she have? Lucrazia puts a halt to the sidebar discussion and switches back to the matter at hand, stating that certain standards in that family must be adhered to. (Hey, I’d say they pretty much have been, je-je!) Van offers to marry Lucia the very next day if Lulu wants. MP is quick on the uptake. “—Yeah, just like you did with me! Say, Lucia, don’t you feel a bit awkward being involved with the same guy who knocked me up?” “--Maripaz!!” Van shoots daggers of steel at her through the center of his eyeballs. He is totally disgusted with her. Before he succumbs to his unhealthy desire to take her by the throat and wring it (more’s the pity) he excuses himself and leaves the house. For better or for worse, Lucia's room thus remains a boff-free zone
Carly gets in MP’s face now. “—You just had to spit your poison at everyone didn’t you?” Lulu shuts Mama down again. She turns to Lucia and says she doesn’t sleep with Ivan until she’s married, and then struts angrily out of the bedroom. MP only wanted an aspirin, she taunts, but her headache’s gone now. She leaves. Carly turns to Lucia and smiles. Rotten luck that she got caught, she tells Lucia, and begs her to accept Ivan’s proposal and get married ASAP. Seems Lucia isn’t ready to yet.
Van takes his own sweet time getting home. Anthony is waiting up and gives him the third degree, wanting to know where he’s been at all hours. (Sorry, the dude’s 30 and I find this totally unbelievable.) Van doesn’t care to go into it, but eventually to make peace says he was visiting Lucia and Merry Piece surprised them. He walks off but a big smile breaks out over Tony’s mug.
Van gets back to his bedroom and decides to call Lucia to see how she’s doing. He tells her he was serious about getting married. ASAP! Lucia asks to wait till they get back from vacation and can see if Alex improves. Besides, she’s not too hep on town gossips blabbing about him dating her sister too. He says that was ten years ago and hardly anyone knows, anyway. Once he came back they only had a drink and dinner a couple of times, he explains. Nothing happened at all between them then. He asks why MP is living there again. All Lucia will say is that she decided she wanted to as she’d run into some hard luck. He asks if Lucia’s really bothered by what her sister said about having had his child. Lucia sighs and says no, she’s just as in love with him but she doesn’t want to rush into marriage. Iv doesn’t seem very convinced.
The next morning, Ivan and Tony discuss David’s return to the McGuire fold. Van suspects David’s objecting to the dirty way his dad does business, but he’s not in the mood to ask just yet. Tony thinks that’s wise.
Across the way, Maripaz whines about wanting to go to the gym. (Right. She’s just killed a person and the thoughtless airhead doesn’t think twice about it! Nooooo, she’s eager to go to the gym and chat it up with her friends!) Lucrazia (who's not exactly been model mother of the year herself) tells Merry Piece absolutely not--especially as long as they don’t know what’s what with the police. Besides, the car’s all dented [abollado] !! (What a bunch of dissolute, deadbeat elite!) MP thinks the I-hit-a-dog story should work. Yeah, says Lulu, a dog the size of a donkey! In walks Carly and Lucia on their way out to go shopping for their trip. MP asks to borrow Lucia’s car. “—Oh so you can use it to run over and kill somebody else? No thank you!” MP gripes at how snooty Lucia’s gotten since they caught her in bed with Ivan. Lulu tells her to can it cuz she’s ten times worse than her kid sis. Well, why is Mama so lenient now when ten years ago she wouldn’t let her marry anybody who was a servant’s son? Oh, Ivan’s changed, explains Lucre-zia. He’s got money and prestige. “--His prestige won’t last long when everyone learns that we had a child!” Lucrazia accidentally lets out that the baby’s still alive, but then has to do a little CYA with Maripaz. No, she tells MP, she doesn’t know where he is or anything else about him.
Meanwhile, Antolin tells Gerardo that he’s taking Carolina to Mexico City to do medical tests. Gerry says he doesn’t have the money to pay for that or any surgeries. Anto says not to worry, that he’s got it covered. Gerry asks if he and Caro are an item. Anto admits that perhaps they might be in love with each other, but it’s not love per say, because love can come and go and what he feels is deep and eternal. She, in her way, may be blind but she sees deep into his soul and accepts him for who he is. Anto asks why, when his wife died, Gerry never thought to marry Caro. Gerry sniffs and says it never crossed his mind because she’s not his type.
Back at Casa de las Curiel, Maripaz asks about the trip Carly and Lucia were buying things for. Lulu explains and MP harrumphs. “—Oh, no doubt Ivan’s going too and they’ll be able to finish what I stopped [frustrar=foil, frustrate, thwart] last night.” Mama tells her to zip it and walks away in a huff.
Later that day, Caro is at the park with Alex. She lets him know that she’ll be on vacation in Mexico City while he’s on vacation with Sr. Anthony, and that she’s going to see an eye doctor, to try getting her sight back and that Anto will be taking her the next day around 9AM. FF>>
Across town at the Ag Association, Juan Jaime is pissed that he’s going to have to reimburse Cutberto with his own money since the Association coffers are empty!! (Cosmic justice, if there ever was—and besides, JJ pilfered it from the insurance funds to begin with during one of his many ongoing schemes. Yep, parts of Viewerville agree. It definitely serves the son of a slug right!) If the idea had at least worked, says JJ, it would have been worth it to him; or if the McGuires would have offered to cover the costs, but as it is, it’s just a waste and a shame. JJ then starts complaining about having to work doubly hard now that David’s gone back over to the Dark Side again. Saul’s surprised he left and wonders if Dave left because of the fight or the other stuff he found out about, i.e., their double-dealing with the Ag Association membership. JJ is sure #3 son had a bug up his backside because of all of it. “--The useless twit doesn’t know how business is really done!” Then he asks Saul if he thinks McGuire actually got rich being honest. (Certainly this is a rhetorical question. Nobody else has all the answers except JJ himself, and certainly not numbskull Saul.) JJ doesn’t think it’s possible. As far as Juan Jeil-me is concerned, all business on the other side of the border is just as crooked, what with all the mafia, drugs, and gambling up there.
Saul suggests that they try blackmailing Lucracia for money that the American’s will surely give her, or that she could take from the loan the McGuires gave her. Then they could pay Cutberto for his damages with that! JJ tells him to try using his brain for something (other than to wipe toilet tissue on, that is). He wants her water, not her money! Well, says Saul, the only other way to get the money necessary is to take a loan from the McGuires themselves.
Finally Cam finds water in one of the wells [pozo= well, shaft, manhole] he dug on his ranch. The engineer he hired to dig the well says he’s certain there’s plenty more where that came from!
Meanwhile, Ivan visits his mother’s grave. He “tells” her about Alex and Lucia and the problems he’s having. He prays she can lend a hand from on high. FF>>
Antolin walks into some sort of Kinkos’ wannabe—or more like oughttabe-- and has the picture of MP at the scene of the hit and run blown up.
Tony learns from Maripaz’s ex-landlady that Lucrazia picked her daughter’s stuff up and said MP was giving up the apartment. She is there to hand him back his deposit. (What? No delousing? No repairing broken walls, windows, doors, window shades, or furniture to use it for?)
Cam stops by the house also to tell Ivan the great news about finding water on the property. Afterwards, Van tells him about the scandalous events of the night before in Lucia’s bedroom. He’s worried, he says, about Merry Piece asking for legal custody of their son. Cam tells him that he can handle going up against MP since, not only does he have the bucks to hire the best lawyer in all of Mexico, but everyone knows she’s a lush and sleeps around. Heck, she even made a play [tirar la onda] for him the other night!
Over at the Meandragon’s, Mama and Judith are listening to David’s explanation why he left to go back to the McGuires’. He can’t work with somebody, he complains, who does business the dirty, underhanded way Juan Jeil-me conducts business at the Association: by stealing from and playing dirty tricks on everyone! He says he wouldn’t put it past his dad to have paid someone to start the fire at Cutberto’s just to blame it on the McGuires! Judith backs up her brother and says she believes it. Esther doesn’t want to hear such blasphemy about her husband. Jud is exasperated. How could her mother be so blind to her husband’s faults, she asks her? “--He treats us like animals! He is rude and tyrannical!” Oh, Esther says, he has his personality traits, but he’s used to working with farmers and country folk (Excuse me? Tell me again, lady why that should matter?!) Well, says Judith, we aren’t farmers and country bumpkins! “--We’re his family, his children! Take off the blinders already! [¡Quitate la venda de los ojos! = lit. Take the bandage from your eyes!] He’s sadistic, cruel and dishonest!” Esther calls them ungrateful children and then stomps off and out of the room.
David tells Judith that a woman in love always blindly defends her man. Jud doesn’t understand how a woman could continue to love somebody who insults her and treats her like dirt [ningunear]!! He even beats her, she exclaims! Davy says there are just some folks who accept relationships like that. Well, she’s not one of ‘em. Judi wants out. He’s got to help her meet some decent guy she can marry so she can move the hell out of there already! Maybe, she can work as a receptionist somewhere or meet some of his buddies. Dave says he’s always been a loner, so that won’t fly. Fine, then, she says. Introduce her to somebody he works with that she likes…er…like Camilo Galvan. Dave says yeah, he’s a decent guy with a good position, but no way their dad would accept him. He’s from the lower middle-class. “--Class, shmass! I just want a boyfriend!!”
That night, Ivan and Tony are discussing why Merry Piece would have moved back home and gave up the apartment, not to mention why Lucia wasn’t straight with him about it when he asked. Perhaps, says Tony, her mother got tired of the situation and convinced Maripaz somehow. Or, says Van, Maripaz is trying to rehab her reputation in order to get legal custody of Alex! Tony tells him not to start imagining things. He’ll find out from Carlota once they’re on the beach sometime the next afternoon. Be patient. Easy for him to say, says Iv! Those women are always protecting each other, like a pride of lionesses!
The next morning while Tony packs up the van, he asks Lucia go to his office under the pretext of retrieving his cell phone. Of course Ivan is there and the two of them kiss hot and heavy while saying their good-byes. Lucia says she hopes that their vacation is useful in gaining back Alex’s trust for Ivan. Iv wants to know if she’s upset about the nasty things Merry Piece said to her the other night when she caught him in her bedroom. Lucia assures him with another passionate lip-lock that she isn’t in the least!
Sometime later, Cleto finds an envelope by the front gate addressed to Lucrazia and hands it over to her. Lucrazy opens it and sees the picture of Maripaz next to the dead body of the woman she ran over. She screams for MP and shows her the blown up picture. “When in doubt run around, scream and shout”!” Panic strikes the two of them. Lucrazia tries getting hold of Lucia on her cell so that they’ll have to come back home immediately. (Why for gosh sakes? What the heck good will that do????) Lulu can’t get through because there’s no signal. So, MP suggests they use the ranch money they got from the McGuires. Mama reminds her it’s a loan, not a gift, so it’s got to be paid off! She’s so disgusted with her older daughter she can’t even stand to see her face and shoos her out of the room.
Maripaz wanders through the backyard and Cleto races up to her, asking MP if she is going to send the car out to get fixed. She snipes back that she has no money now! (Yeah, drunken, spendthrift grasshoppers: 0. Sober, thrifty ants: 10.) Merry Piece starts to get an idea and calls Antolin to see if he can help her. Yes, she’s being blackmailed again. Oh, no, she’s not mad at him any more. Of course not! She tells him then all about the hit and run and the photo the blackmailer sent. Anto, (being the one blackmailing her) smiles and suggests she just go ahead and pay it cuz he’s got no way of tracking this one down like the last time. Click. He finishes packing his car, enjoys a wicked, self-satisfied snicker, and calls Caro’s up.
Carolina’s worried that she won’t have the money for the treatments. Anto tells her he’ll worry about that. She doesn’t need to. The money will be there. She says she doesn’t want him doing any of his funny stuff to find the money. She doesn’t know how she’ll ever be able to thank him. He tells her when she’s finally able to see again and can see his face, that will be payment enough.
Later that morning, Ivan meets with Cam out on his portion of El Socorro, aka, Suckers’ Ranch. Cam shows him the well and where it is in relation to the fields. Van suggests getting the irrigation lines set up. Just then Juan Jeil-me and Saul come walking up the lane. Ivan starts frowning. “—Now I wonder what that prying busybody [fisgón= snoop, spy, eavesdropper] wants!” JJ says he understands he’s found water, and quite a lot of it. Cam says yeah, and he’s looking to put in a second well also. El Meandragon asks if he’s thinking of going with hydroponics then, but Cam says nope. It’s way too expensive. Oh, JJ guffaws, my son’s rolling in dough [harta de plata= lit. overloaded with silver]. He can easily foot the bill. Ivan gets pissed and tells him not to call him “son”. “--Oh, it’s well known [de confiar], and Cam’s your trusted sidekick, so don’t tell me he doesn’t know. BTW, when’s the wedding with Lucia?” Soon, says Van. “—So then, tell me, what about the boy, Alex? Are you going to take him away from Gerardo?” Van doesn’t answer. Meandragon knows he’s made his point and leaves.
Ivan wants to know how the hell that son of a slug found out about Alex!! Perhaps Lucrazia told him, says Cam. Could also be Saul or Maripaz, adds Van. They decide to head over and ask Lulu. Lulu tells them she didn’t say a word and doesn’t know either, but since MP’s in the house he needs to lower his voice. Lulu stretches the truth a teensy-weensy bit and says that MP doesn’t know anything about Alex. Well, then how the hell did Juan Jeil-me find out? Lucrazia insists she doesn’t know. In fact, he’s already threatened her with letting word out that Ivan and MP had a child ten years ago unless she gives him some of her water. With the drought [sequia] she’ll be lucky to squeeze out 3 drops left for her own use! Cam offers to give her water himself from his wells, as long as the gossip doesn’t go anywhere. Lucre-azia goes all willowy and smiles those huge horse teeth at Cam. She pats him suggestively on the shoulder and asks how she’ll ever show her gratefulness. Viewerville notes how Cam immediately looks like he just got the weak-kneed willies but is too polite to show it.
We get lots of footage of Tony, Carlota, Lucia and Alex enjoy their vacation on the yacht. FF>>
Cam and Van go back to the Casota and try to figure out who spilled the frickin’ frijoles. No way will Ivan submit to being blackmailed by that SOB, he tells Cam. Once they discount the cowardly Gerry, the secretive Curiel’s and close-mouthed Arcelia, the only one left is spiteful Carmen. Cam agrees it’s most likely his sister because he remembers Carmen being in the kitchen when the others in the family were arguing and Anto let it slip. Ivan is sure she did it to get back at them for firing her. He almost lets it out about Saul and her and baby Lechita making three, but stops himself. He takes another tack instead and asks if Cam thinks there might be some connection between Saul and Carmen. Cam seems to remember that when she worked at the restaurant, Anto and Saul would come in there together; that’s perhaps how she met Saul and made the connection with the Meandragons, but he doubts there was ever any friendship started. Just then Ivan gets a call from the Herdez Corp. about a new ad campaign. He leaves to see the campaign. (Viewerville gets a Uni placement promo for Herdez, who must be paying a pretty peso for it, too!)
Meanwhile, Merry Piece manages to get the phone number of the hotel Tony and the family are staying at from Ivan. While they’re waiting for their number, Merry Piece confesses to Mama that she’s still interested in Ivan’s hot-pants and his piles-high pesos. She says she can’t understand what he sees in her boring little sister. Lucrazia says men always prefer their serious female conquests to be unsullied. MP snickers at that. She says she knows that Saul was boffing Lucia. He told her so himself! So no, little sis is not exactly the Virgen de Guadalupe everyone thinks she is! (Only one way to find out for sure.) Lucrazia is curly-lipped impactada, but hey, it’s just one more thing in a long line of bad and disgusting news items in this household!
Lucrazia finally gets hold of Carly and tells her about the supposed blackmail and the picture. Carly can’t talk right then. She’ll get back to her when she’s had a chance to think about it and hangs up. Carly then lies about what the call was about.
That night Carly calls Lucrazy—whose frantic as hell by now--back and says to wait and see if they even get a blackmail call and how much the person wants. Carly doesn’t want to use the ranch money and let the place go under all because of a worthless piece of human debris like her granddaughter. Not the answer Lulu wants. Carly says she will try to figure out something in the meantime and get back to her.
Anto now makes an anonymous (note Anto’s use of the ol’ handkerchief over the mouthpiece trick) late-night call to Lucrazia from a payphone. The light shines eeerily on his eyes. (Ewwwww! It’s just enough to make them glow in the dark and to look like his demonic altar-ego! Kudos to the director and the lighting crew.) He demands five million pesos or he’ll give the picture to both the papers and the police. She has one week to get the money together or else!!
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Thanks so much for your recap; it's extremely helpful to me. Now that Teresa has ended, I'm trying to hop on board this train while it's moving and I'm still figuring out who's who and how they connect.
Could someone please help me out with the parentage of Alex? Based on slim evidence I had assumed that he might be the son of Ivan and Maripaz, but the synopsis says he is the sister of Carolina. Something is clearly wrong with my understanding.
Could someone please help me out with the parentage of Alex? Based on slim evidence I had assumed that he might be the son of Ivan and Maripaz, but the synopsis says he is the sister of Carolina. Something is clearly wrong with my understanding.
Gato Viejo: Welcome!
Two things to help you play catch-up. First, left-click on the "Fuerza" link in the orange sidebar, immediately underneath the names of the recapping team. It will take you directly to the archives and you can begin to read English recaps of each night's episode from the first one on up. The relationship is spelled out in the first two weeks or so.
Briefly though, Carolina is Gerardo's second wife's sister who has looked after Alex since he was little and especially after her sis (wife #2) died. Alex and Maripaz started secretly seeing and sleeping with each other once she graduated highschool at an American boarding school where they handed out Birth Control pills like candy as pre-marital sex is now (though possibly still reluctantly) accepted. MP carelessly missed a few pills and ended up pregnant. Ivan was not allowed to marry her and MP didn't want a maid's son for a husband. She wanted an abortion (again, ala the way in the U.S.of A.) Lucia and Maripaz were sent away to the norther coast with Carlota for a year while waiting for the baby to be born. Once the baby was born, Gerry refused to let his grandson be sent off to an orphanage for just anybody to adopt him, if he was adopted at all. So, the night before th newborn was to be taken to the orphanage, he heard his ex-wife, Lucrecia, instruct that the baby would be sleeping in the maid's room. Gerry snuck back in and when Carly went to heat up some formula for the baby, he sneaked into the room and absconded with the baby. Nobody knew what happened to him nor would they risk reporting an undocumented bastard baby's kidnapping to the police. Gerry married a second woman in Mexico City and forged adoption papers. He returned to Alamos when the boy was three and told all that it was his second wife's child. Ivan didn't find out till after he returned to Alamos ten years later, and it's been like pulling teeth for him to piece it all together. Hope that helps somewhat.
Two things to help you play catch-up. First, left-click on the "Fuerza" link in the orange sidebar, immediately underneath the names of the recapping team. It will take you directly to the archives and you can begin to read English recaps of each night's episode from the first one on up. The relationship is spelled out in the first two weeks or so.
Briefly though, Carolina is Gerardo's second wife's sister who has looked after Alex since he was little and especially after her sis (wife #2) died. Alex and Maripaz started secretly seeing and sleeping with each other once she graduated highschool at an American boarding school where they handed out Birth Control pills like candy as pre-marital sex is now (though possibly still reluctantly) accepted. MP carelessly missed a few pills and ended up pregnant. Ivan was not allowed to marry her and MP didn't want a maid's son for a husband. She wanted an abortion (again, ala the way in the U.S.of A.) Lucia and Maripaz were sent away to the norther coast with Carlota for a year while waiting for the baby to be born. Once the baby was born, Gerry refused to let his grandson be sent off to an orphanage for just anybody to adopt him, if he was adopted at all. So, the night before th newborn was to be taken to the orphanage, he heard his ex-wife, Lucrecia, instruct that the baby would be sleeping in the maid's room. Gerry snuck back in and when Carly went to heat up some formula for the baby, he sneaked into the room and absconded with the baby. Nobody knew what happened to him nor would they risk reporting an undocumented bastard baby's kidnapping to the police. Gerry married a second woman in Mexico City and forged adoption papers. He returned to Alamos when the boy was three and told all that it was his second wife's child. Ivan didn't find out till after he returned to Alamos ten years later, and it's been like pulling teeth for him to piece it all together. Hope that helps somewhat.
P.S. Relationships: Alicia was Carlota's dead husband's bastard daughter. Ivan is Alicia and Juan Jaime's bastard son. Since Carlota got married while already preggers with another man's child, Lucrecia was claimed by Carly's husband, but is not a blood relative. Alicia and Ivan were, but were never told and were forced to live at the ranch as hired help.
Camilo, Carmen and Antolin are siblings. Arcelia is their widowed mother who was best friends with Alicia and thus is Ivan's godmother. The boys were all very close growing up, but especially Cam and Ivan who were the same age.
Juan Jaime was married twice. Esther is his wife #2. Saul was from #1. David and Judith are from his marriage with Esther.
Lechita is Saul and Carmen's bastard daughter. Neither Antolin nor Camilo know who Lechita's father is and Arcelia won't tell them. She told Ivan and he promised never to say a word.
Camilo, Carmen and Antolin are siblings. Arcelia is their widowed mother who was best friends with Alicia and thus is Ivan's godmother. The boys were all very close growing up, but especially Cam and Ivan who were the same age.
Juan Jaime was married twice. Esther is his wife #2. Saul was from #1. David and Judith are from his marriage with Esther.
Lechita is Saul and Carmen's bastard daughter. Neither Antolin nor Camilo know who Lechita's father is and Arcelia won't tell them. She told Ivan and he promised never to say a word.
Thanks again, Jardiniera, for the catch-up; I looked at the recap archive and was overwhelmed by the number and the thoroughness.
So Alex is the biological son of Ivan and Maripaz, as I thought, and is the biological grandson and adopted son of Gerardo. Not quite "I'm my own grampaw" but complicated enough for me.
And, it's good to know that the baby kidnapping Required Element can be checked off for this novela.
So Alex is the biological son of Ivan and Maripaz, as I thought, and is the biological grandson and adopted son of Gerardo. Not quite "I'm my own grampaw" but complicated enough for me.
And, it's good to know that the baby kidnapping Required Element can be checked off for this novela.
Just read your P.S. Relationships post. I think I am going to have to make a diagram...
By the way, the ant/grasshopper reference cracked me up.
By the way, the ant/grasshopper reference cracked me up.
I was LOL LOL LOLing during Ivan's meeting with Herdez. DZ looked like it took all he had not to either yawn or bust out laughing as Ivan pretended to care about the Herdez marketing campaign and their nutritious vegatables. LOL
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: Saturday, October 8, 2011 at 2:29:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, October 8, 2011 at 2:29:00 PM EDT
GatoViejo:
Alex's family Tree
Real Bio-dad: Ivan
Adoptive Sister/Real Bio-Mom: Maripaz
Adoptive Dad/Bio-Abuelo #1: Gerry
Adoptive Mom: Beatriz (dead; never seen on the show)
Bio-Abuela #1: Lucrecia
Bio-Abuela #2: Alicia (Ivan's mom); dead
Adoptive Tia: Carolina
Adoptive Sister/Bio-Tia #1: Lucia
Bio-Abuelo #2: Juan Jaime
Adoptive Abuelo: Anthony
Step-Abuela: Ester
Bis-Abuela: Carlota
Tia #2: Judith
Tio #1: Saul
Tio #2: David
Prima: Lichita (Alicia, daughter of Carmen/Saul)
Alex's family Tree
Real Bio-dad: Ivan
Adoptive Sister/Real Bio-Mom: Maripaz
Adoptive Dad/Bio-Abuelo #1: Gerry
Adoptive Mom: Beatriz (dead; never seen on the show)
Bio-Abuela #1: Lucrecia
Bio-Abuela #2: Alicia (Ivan's mom); dead
Adoptive Tia: Carolina
Adoptive Sister/Bio-Tia #1: Lucia
Bio-Abuelo #2: Juan Jaime
Adoptive Abuelo: Anthony
Step-Abuela: Ester
Bis-Abuela: Carlota
Tia #2: Judith
Tio #1: Saul
Tio #2: David
Prima: Lichita (Alicia, daughter of Carmen/Saul)
Permalink posted by : Saturday, October 8, 2011 at 2:34:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, October 8, 2011 at 2:34:00 PM EDT
Jarinera, thanks once again for your Saturday morning recap.
I really LOL about the family tree. Now I know why there is no Padre in this TN - they don't bother getting married before procreating.
Rosemary
I really LOL about the family tree. Now I know why there is no Padre in this TN - they don't bother getting married before procreating.
Rosemary
Permalink posted by : Saturday, October 8, 2011 at 4:05:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, October 8, 2011 at 4:05:00 PM EDT
Thanks, Jardinera!
I lol'ed during the Herdez ad campaign. They are getting pretty heavy handed with the product placement.
I guess I'm just easily entertained, but I really like this one and DZ is very nice to look at...though I am "meh" on Lucia.
Now Antolin on the other hand....YUM! I am enjoying that storyline most of all. I would love to see him in a lead.
I lol'ed during the Herdez ad campaign. They are getting pretty heavy handed with the product placement.
I guess I'm just easily entertained, but I really like this one and DZ is very nice to look at...though I am "meh" on Lucia.
Now Antolin on the other hand....YUM! I am enjoying that storyline most of all. I would love to see him in a lead.
OK, I've just about gotten it drawn out. One last question: Is there more than one Lichita? The original synopsis mentions her as sister of Camilo, Antolin, and Carmen. Then there is the daughter of Saul and Carmen also.
GatoViejo, so far, there has only been one Lichita (she was named after Alicia, Ivan's mother). So she is the daughter of Carmen and niece of Camilo and Antolin.
Rosemary
Rosemary
Permalink posted by : Saturday, October 8, 2011 at 6:55:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, October 8, 2011 at 6:55:00 PM EDT
Antolin is so dreamy, for a shady guy. He's definitely one of my favorites in this one. At least he admits he's shady, unlike Lucia and Carlota, who keep way more secrets than they should but are considered "good." Sometimes, though, the way he smooches his mother, I can still see traces of tialoving abuelokiller on him.
Judith's getting more fiesty and I love it. It's pretty sad that she feels getting married is her only path to escape. She should take a job and get her own apartment. If no one told JJ he might not even notice; it's not like he's really interested in her life. Funny how Camilo is suddenly the hottest property in town.
Great recap. I love the way you capture the spirit of the conversations. Maripaz the Morality Police, ha! Couldn't believe she had the nerve to ask Lucia to borrow her car, but I loved Lucia's response. If they aren't going to report MP to the police they should at least revoke her driving privileges.
Judith's getting more fiesty and I love it. It's pretty sad that she feels getting married is her only path to escape. She should take a job and get her own apartment. If no one told JJ he might not even notice; it's not like he's really interested in her life. Funny how Camilo is suddenly the hottest property in town.
Great recap. I love the way you capture the spirit of the conversations. Maripaz the Morality Police, ha! Couldn't believe she had the nerve to ask Lucia to borrow her car, but I loved Lucia's response. If they aren't going to report MP to the police they should at least revoke her driving privileges.
Maripaz needs to be grounded until placed in a rehab center. Not that this is likely to happen.
Ironic about there not being a padre in this small town when this novela replaces a big-city story with three padres!
Ironic about there not being a padre in this small town when this novela replaces a big-city story with three padres!
Great recap Jardinera. I was laughing throughout that whole beginning bedroom scene. The look on Carly's face and when she said it was obvious what Ivan was doing there, was priceless. She's a saucy old lady! Lucia was being pretty snippy too, emphasizing that she and Ivan hadn't done it, YET, since MP interrupted. What a crazy scene.
The beach looks beautiful and is making me jealous. Carly shouldn't even bother taking calls from Lucrezia. Why ruin a good vacation?
I'm not even going to talk about my disgust at Carly and Lucia keeping quiet aboyt MP's crime. I don't expect better from Lucrezia.
Julia- I also like that Judith is showing more spunk. She needs a job and an apartment, not a man. Although, a man would be a nice bonus. Camilo is the only eligible guy, who's not her brother, in this whole tn. Too bad he's hung up on Lucia. Maybe by the end of the tn.
Welcome GatoViejo! Feel free to ask questions any time. This tn is FILLED with bastard children and complicated family trees. Although what Gerry did was technically kidnapping, he did it for a good reason, and Alex is his grandson, so I'm not going to lump this in with other tn baby-nappings.
The beach looks beautiful and is making me jealous. Carly shouldn't even bother taking calls from Lucrezia. Why ruin a good vacation?
I'm not even going to talk about my disgust at Carly and Lucia keeping quiet aboyt MP's crime. I don't expect better from Lucrezia.
Julia- I also like that Judith is showing more spunk. She needs a job and an apartment, not a man. Although, a man would be a nice bonus. Camilo is the only eligible guy, who's not her brother, in this whole tn. Too bad he's hung up on Lucia. Maybe by the end of the tn.
Welcome GatoViejo! Feel free to ask questions any time. This tn is FILLED with bastard children and complicated family trees. Although what Gerry did was technically kidnapping, he did it for a good reason, and Alex is his grandson, so I'm not going to lump this in with other tn baby-nappings.
Thanks for the recap Jardinera. Your title is tops too.
Julia/Vivi - ITA that Judith needs to get away from her toxic home first. A boyfriend will be a bonus but hopefully not the means of escape.
Welcome GatoViejo.
Julia/Vivi - ITA that Judith needs to get away from her toxic home first. A boyfriend will be a bonus but hopefully not the means of escape.
Welcome GatoViejo.
Jardinera -- Thank you. LOVE the title!
Scene between Antolin, that devilish and attractive character, and Gerry was my favorite last night. Antolin is obviously no dummy; I hope that the black bird is not appearing in his path!
Also enjoyed Ivan's line about the pride of lionesses. I think he's beginning to get it.
And Lucrezia pawing at Camilo, the water-man.
Good episode and recap to match.
Scene between Antolin, that devilish and attractive character, and Gerry was my favorite last night. Antolin is obviously no dummy; I hope that the black bird is not appearing in his path!
Also enjoyed Ivan's line about the pride of lionesses. I think he's beginning to get it.
And Lucrezia pawing at Camilo, the water-man.
Good episode and recap to match.
Speaking of Judith rebelling, if she and Cam get together, I'd love to see her turn on Merry Piece as well as her papi to help Cam and Iv out somehow. I'd like to see her wreak havoc on Carmen. I think she could be a pivotal character in this tn.
Judith could actually take Carmen's job as ama de llaves. I bet she would be good at running the McGuire household with her interior decorating skills, and I'm sure she's managed the Mondragon household staff while being respectful but firm. She would also make a good girl Friday for Toni. She's used to dealing with difficult old men. Maybe she could even take on managing any events for the McGuires too. Even if she doesn't have the technical skills it takes to be a secretary, there are other ways they could use her soft skills and her tendency towards discretion.
Also, doesn't the ama de llaves usually live in the house she runs? It wouldn't be improper since Ivan is her brother.
Also, doesn't the ama de llaves usually live in the house she runs? It wouldn't be improper since Ivan is her brother.
ViviDC: I like your thinking! Judith really has had to learn and live by discretion being the better part of honor--and survival. Of course, I don't think of Tony as cantankerous, just mature and of a mind of his own. I definitely don't see him as strict, either. Anything but. Different strokes, etc., which is something selfish Carmen who was the spoiled baby of her nuclear family never has come to understand.
Seriously, it must be the age and mindset of these writers, but I don't get Carly pushing premarital sex on Lucia like this and then complaining to Maripaz for being promiscuous. Carly obviously slept with the wrong man and look where it initially got her. She was lucky that Teodoro walked into her life when he did or she'd have been no better off than Alicia was. She's been redeemed here early on, cuz she's been no sainte during her lifetime.
Seriously, it must be the age and mindset of these writers, but I don't get Carly pushing premarital sex on Lucia like this and then complaining to Maripaz for being promiscuous. Carly obviously slept with the wrong man and look where it initially got her. She was lucky that Teodoro walked into her life when he did or she'd have been no better off than Alicia was. She's been redeemed here early on, cuz she's been no sainte during her lifetime.
I guess Carly doesn't see anything wrong with pre-marital sex as long as it's with the person you love and the guy is a good guy. She wasn't that upset either that Ivan and MP had been having sex as teenagers when that came out. But sleeping around with every Tom, Dick and Harry, while drunk, is another thing. I think that's where she sees the difference. But Lucrezia seems to see it all as the same thing, which means that she overreacts to the idea of Lucia and Ivan having sex before marriage, and tries to sweep under the rug the fact that MP is an alcoholic ho.
They had Herdez products at my supermarket so I felt compelled to pick up a jar of salsa verde. I never could find any Ades apple juice from a prior novela. If I did things correctly, it should show up in my new profile photo.
LOL GatoViejo! Love the pic. There was a discussion on Big Mix the other day on the Familia con Suerte line. That, and AVON, are the products/companies being advertised in that tn. It made a few people want to find and try this Big Mix snack. Garnier under eye circle minimizer is being pushed on Cuando me Enamoro. Makes me want to try it, even though I don't have dark circles.
I have never been tempted to try the BIMBO bread that has been in a ton of tns. I already use Maggi, so all those placements were wasted on me. But I was not tempted to run out and buy a Ford (Hasta Que el Dinero...) or Buick (Eva Luna).
I have never been tempted to try the BIMBO bread that has been in a ton of tns. I already use Maggi, so all those placements were wasted on me. But I was not tempted to run out and buy a Ford (Hasta Que el Dinero...) or Buick (Eva Luna).
The Bimbo bread has never tempted me, either...even if I weren't allergic to wheat their terrible product placement wouldn't be appealing. At least in this novela the product placement is appropriate, if a little too blatant. A woman like Arcelia would use those products, and people in the produce business would go to meetings with Herdez. I remember how ridiculous the Bimbo placement was in Cuidado...they'd have loaves of Bimbo white bread out on the buffet at a fancy party, still in the bag, and everyone would be gobbling it, or a woman would be home ALONE making about 15 pieces of toast for a snack. The pizza placement (Domino's, I think) was even worse.
Ha! Bimbo and Domino's... I had forgotten about those but it all comes flooding back now. I haven't opened up the jar of salsa yet but I looked at the sodium content and it will definitely be a moderate use only item.
GatoViejo: Great pix! We have scads of Herdez stuff on the "Mexican Foods" aisles in grocery stores now. Never really thought of that till you brought it up!
Sara: LOL! I think Bimbo Bread of tees up here would be hilarious, but you'd never get me into one, if only because I'm a blonde!
Sara: LOL! I think Bimbo Bread of tees up here would be hilarious, but you'd never get me into one, if only because I'm a blonde!
Bimbo is a hard sell up here, but Herdez isn't bad. And I would definately buy honey nut cherrios from Juan Soler (Cuando me enamoro). I don't eat the stuff, but only because I didn't know how sexy cereal could be. I bet Maripaz knows all about it. She seems the type.
And with all these out-of-wedlock children, it's no wonder all the novela-priests stayed away. All those confessions and secrets would be too much work. Or maybe they have so many bastard kids BECAUSE there is no priest. Chicken or egg?
Hopefully Ivan and Lucia have learned from mistakes and can get busy without yet another need for a shotgun wedding. Is there a Herdez condom they could promote?
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And with all these out-of-wedlock children, it's no wonder all the novela-priests stayed away. All those confessions and secrets would be too much work. Or maybe they have so many bastard kids BECAUSE there is no priest. Chicken or egg?
Hopefully Ivan and Lucia have learned from mistakes and can get busy without yet another need for a shotgun wedding. Is there a Herdez condom they could promote?
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