Thursday, November 24, 2011

La Fuerza del Destino #78-79 Wed 11/23/11 No sex, but lots of lies that should be on tape

Recap by Urban Anthropologist

Feliz dia de accion de gracias. Please provide any missing details; I missed a few insults that (as usual) aren't in the dictionary. Gracias.

Antes

Lucia tells Carlota that Camilo has changed; Camilo and Ivan argue; Ivan enquires about Perla's paternity. Carlota orders Maripaz out of the house because she tried to start something with Camilo.


Nuevo

Rancho Socorro: Carlota isn't fooled by Maripaz as Lucia and Tony observe.

Carlota: Leave my house this minute!
Lucrazia: Mama, have you gone crazy?
Carlota: She is the crazy one. Last night she was seen kissing Camilo near the stables. [caballerizas] And don't try to lie!
Maripaz: But he forced me!
Carlota: I know your deceptions. Don't try to blame him. But you are going right now!
Maripaz: But I don't have any money right now and I have to buy a new car.
Carlota: That doesn't matter!
Lucrazia: But Mama. Señor Anthony is here.
Carlota: I'm sorry, Anthony.
Tony: Don't worry.
Carlota (frustrated): [???]
Maripaz (to Lucrazia): But you believe me, don't you? It was him!
Lucrazia (taking her arm to lead her inside): Let's go. (leads her inside)
Alex (touching Tony's arm): Abuelo, should we go?
Tony: Yes, we're going.
Carlota: I'm sorry, but when the blood goes to my head I don't understand such evil!
Tony: Don't worry, Carlota. See you later, Lucia.
Lucia: See you later.
Carlota: I'm sorry, hija, but when Cleto told me I couldn't contain myself. [juantarme?]
Lucia: Me neither, Abue. Don't worry. I can't hold that against Camilo because the other day I ran into Ivan. He kissed me and I returned it.
Carlota: Lucia! Lucia! What are you going to do now?
Lucia: I don't know.


Hacienda Curiel, inside: Maripaz tries to snow Lucrazia about this so she will get her a new car and prevent Carlota from throwing her out on her skanky arse. Lucrazia is looking at her with appropriate suspicion.

Maripaz (complete with her trademark crocodile tears): I'm telling the truth. I was outside having a soft drink when Camilo arrived. I was very upset because Lucia is out of their bedroom. We talked a little then he grabbed me and forcibly kissed me.
Lucrazia: And why didn't you reject him? Why didn't you give him a slap? [cachetada]
Maripaz: How do I hit a man of that size? Who told you this gossip?
Lucrazia: I don't know. Gloria or Cleto.
Maripaz: Then fire them because this isn't the truth. At the moment I can't go because I don't have a car. Where could I go?
Lucrazia: Look, Maripaz, I don't know if you're telling me the truth or not because I know you. I know what a [??] you are.
Maripaz: Alright; if you want, I'll go. But when I get my alimony payment at the end of the month.
Lucrazia (getting up): I'll go see what I can say to your grandmother.
Maripaz (grabbing her arm): Mama, I am your daughter. If you make me go what will happen to me?

Lucrazia really shouldn't care.


Casa McGuire: Tony tells Alex he doesn't want Ivan to know what happened. Benito seconds him. Alex is about to find out more about adultery than any kid his age should know.

Rancho Socorro: Ezekiel and Carmen gossip about Maripaz and what just happened. We find out that Carmen doesn't have a high opinion of the Merry Piece.

Hacienda Curiel: Lucrazia tries to convince her mother not to expel Maripaz. She doesn't want knowledge of this incident to get past the ranch. Lucrazia admits she did a bad job of raising MP. She doesn't want anything on her conscience [she has one?] if anything were to happen to Maripaz. Finally Carlota tells her “one month and not a day more.” She doesn't want Maripaz anywhere near Lucia and Camilo.

Ag Ass Office: JJ tries to blame the fraud on secretarial incompetence, but Antolin isn't fooled. JJ asks why Camilo didn't accept the presidency and Antolin explains that he has other matters to deal with at the moment. Antolin then asks for some vacation time he needs to help Carolina. JJ uses another insulting word I didn't understand, but Antolin doesn't take the bait. JJ plans to dock his pay for those days he'll be out. So much for this being a cushy job.

Hacienda Curiel, Maripaz's Room: Lucrazia tells Maripaz she can stay until she gets her next alimony payment.

Lucrazia: Your grandmother forgave you. Well, it's not that she forgave you but she's allowing you to stay hear one month until you get your alimony payment.
Maripaz: But it isn't my fault! He kissed me first –
Lucrazia: It's of no importance to me who did it first or whose fault it is. The condition is that you stay far away from Camilo. Is that clear? (Maripaz nods) Now prepare yourself for the scandal because your crazy grandmother dragged it in the gutter [del en arroyo] in front of Señor Anthony. Is he going to tell Ivan? You can bet on it. Tomorrow the lawyers will be here to provoke a divorce between Lucia and Camilo. [Is she for real?]
Maripaz: So what if they divorce?
Lucrazia: Look, Maripaz, listen up. You've wallowed in enough mud. [lodo] The pregnancy, then you divorce David, marrying Ivan, then ending up divorced for infidelity.
Maripaz: That was a trick Ivan pulled.
Lucrazia: I don't believe you! It doesn't help your reputation. You killed a woman while driving drunk. And every time I see Antolin near the ag ass he has the nerve to smile at me. He knows I paid money for somebody's silence.
Maripaz: Antolin is a friend, Mama.
Lucrazia: Antolin is nobody's friend, Maripaz! What more do you want? To ruin us completely?
Maripaz: Mama, I assure –
Lucrazia: Don't promise anything because I don't believe you. And if you're so hot to have a man look up Ivan. I know he boinked you every night. If you have that much power over him reconquer him and get back together with him. It's time you rescued your dignity because it's in the dirt. (gets up and exits)
Maripaz: It should only be so easy. Besides, neither are you so dignified. Bastarda!

Just when we thought Lucrazia was showing some sense. She is at least consistent in her indifference to Lucia.


Commercial Break that leads with a promo for La Que No Podia Amar.


Hacienda Curiel: Lucia and Carlota talk about this again, including the possibility of her getting a divorce. Lucia lists the complications of the situation, complications she'd rather avoid. Carlota tells her that she has the same right as any woman to be happy with the man of her choice.

Casa McGuire: Ivan brings Alex a book, but Alex is sad that everything turned to merde when he went to visit Lucia. Ivan tries to get Tony to talk about this, but Tony isn't tattling. He only tells that Maripaz is living there. Nothing else happened, but Ivan isn't fooled, as Tony didn't look him in the eye. Ivan goes out to Alex to show him the books he bought him. Alex spills the frijoles.

Hacienda Curiel: Carlota asks Camilo how he could look her in the eye after kissing Maripaz. She doesn't want to hear any more about it but tells him to come up with a good explanation for Lucia and warns him that gossip spreads quickly.

Hacienda Curiel, Lucia's Room: She talks on the phone about the exam, which is in 15 days. Camilo tries to tell her what happened, but she doesn't want to hear anything. She finally tells him that their marriage isn't working. It's not about what happened with Maripaz, it's that they got married for the wrong reasons. Of course Ivan's name gets into this. Just as he attempts to put the moves on her she is saved by Perlita's crying. Camilo won't be getting any.

Casa Galvan, night: Carmen gossips to Arcelia about what's happened as Antolin walks in. Arcelia isn't buying it. Antolin is incredulous because everyone knows that Maripaz is a Merry Piece. [Maybe someone can translate the phrase he actually used.] Antolin is a bit frustrated that Camilo doesn't want the presidency of the Ag Ass because it would raise his stock with Lucia. However, Arcelia points out that Lucia isn't like that and that love doesn't know from social class.


Commercial Break that leads with a promo for Navidad S.A. where our Tony (Pedro Armendiriz, Jr.) becomes Santa Claus.

Casas Mondragon / McGuire: Judith tells JJ she's going to visit her mother at the end of the week. He tries to get her to talk Esther into returning to him. He actually thinks Esther needs him! She tells him she can't promise anything. When he dismisses her she kisses him and he doesn't kiss her back. Did we ever see him kiss his wife or kids? He calls Tony to talk about the next Ag Ass meeting. Tony tells him that Ivan isn't likely to be there, so JJ asks for David to stand in. Ivan comes in and they talk business. They finally talk about the ugly incident.

Ivan: Why didn't you tell me something happened between Camilo and Maripaz?
Tony: It was nothing, really. Who told you?
Ivan: Alex. Then you left. Does Lucia know?
Tony: Yes, she knows. Lucia was present when Carlota yelled.
Ivan: How did she look? How did she react?
Tony: Disconcerted. Do you believe Camilo would have a relationship with Maripaz?
Ivan: I don't think so. Except that he's changed.
Tony: Over jealousy.
Ivan: Think we should have Maripaz watched by an investigator?
Tony: L.A. is a huge city full of people, multitudes. Por favor, hombre! Maripaz now lives on a ranch. What investigator would be able to infiltrate that? And of course if anything were to happen between them we'd hear about it. No quitas [???]
Ivan: I won't stop.
Tony: Lucia is from a traditional family. Her mother and grandmother – like conservative people – wash the dirty laundry indoors. Not like Maripaz, who doesn't care what anyone thinks of her. I don't think Lucia wants to face the scandal of a divorce.
Ivan: Then she will be unhappy the rest of her life. Because she loves me.
Tony: The only possible way she will be happy the rest of her life is for you to disappear.
Ivan: No. The reason I came here is to fight for her. She is the woman of my life.
Tony: Good luck, then. But I won't do anything to help you.

Tony, you just disappointed all of us.

Casa Lomieli: Antolin tells Gerry and Carolina about this with the goal of getting Gerry to talk to Maripaz. They all understand Maripaz, but Antolin makes the definitive statement that Maripaz isn't happy unless she's hurting someone. Gerry finally decides he needs to speak with both of his daughters.

Casa McGuire / Hacienda Curiel: Ivan reads Alex to sleep (awww!), then thinks about his last meeting with Lucia. Flashback to the chemistry scene. Lucia thinks of the same meeting. Flashback to a different moment.


Commercial Break leading out with the crow image.

Ag Ass Office, the next morning: JJ calls the meeting to order. The discussion of the insurance claim comes up. He actually attempts to blame the “misunderstanding” on the secretary he terminated “for incompetence.” He tells them that the checks will be handed to them in a few days.

Rancho Socorro: Maripaz' new red convertible is delivered. Carmen looks on with resentment.

Ag Ass Office, the next morning: The members want Camilo to take over as president. JJ proposes that it be David. The others object, thinking David would be just like his father. Tony backs him, saying he's honest. Camilo agrees and nominates David.

Town: People are surprise to see Maripaz. Maripaz sees Saul with his cane; to our surprise es impactada. She has lunch with him and El Gordo at an outdoor café. When Saul tells her his father won't help him with his medical issues, Maripaz tells him she would except that her alimony only takes care of herself. When Saul asks why the divorce she tells him “Ivan never could forget Lucia. He made up lies about me to get the divorce.” She tells him that she's at her grandmother's ranch for the moment, but isn't sure of her plans except to get an apartment. Saul welcomes her back and they toast (with beer, which I didn't expect to see her drinking).

Casa McGuire: David explains to Tony and Ivan he's uncomfortable with the possibility that he will have to expose his father's frauds. The first thing he would need to do is get an audit and that would be that. They discuss why Camilo didn't accept (family problems) and David says that someone will have to convince him.

Casa Lomieli: Antolin isn't happy with the situation; he knows Camilo would be an effective head of the association. He has the same conversation with Gerry and Carolina, who point out that Camilo being president would make no difference to his marriage. Lucia loves Ivan, punto. Antolin tells Carolina she's just like his mother, then asks Gerry for her hand in marriage. We're going WTF because Carolina is not even a blood relative but Gerry says OK. The operation will happen first, though.


Commercial Break that leads with a promo for MQB highlights, which will precede the Christmas movie. We return with an image of Camilo and his pet crow.

Hacienda Curiel: Lucia and Carlota talk about the meeting and Lucia's exam. Carlota wants to give a party to celebrate Lucia's degree, but Lucia says to keep it small. Carmen takes her leave of them.

Car, on the road from Rancho Socorro: Saul and El Gordo talk about their upcoming scheme. Carmen is walking toward them, so they stop talking and Saul tells her they're waiting for her and why don't they go out and eat. She accepts.

Casa McGuire: Ivan and Alex talk about whether to go back to LA or stay. Alex wants to stay because of his loved ones being there. Ivan tells him they'll stay and he'll go back to his old school. Ivan calls a lawyer (Zabaleta) about finding out whether Perla is his child.

Zabaleta's Office: They meet and the lawyer tells him they need to order a DNA test.

Casa Mondragon: David arrives to tell JJ he will not accept the presidency. He doesn't want this because the audit he is obliged to order will expose JJ's frauds. He is refusing to cover up his father's wrongdoings,.which JJ expects him to. David finally leaves. JJ speculates on whether Antolin would be the one he can bribe. Typical.

Casa McGuire/Curiel: Ivan calls Lucia to tell him he will be staying and will be enrolling Alex in school. He tells her he misses her and knows she misses him too. She clearly has a hard time trying to put him off. Camilo enters the room and Lucia covers up that she's talking to Ivan. Camilo begs her to return to their room in the house, telling her she is the only woman he loves, etc.. She begs off because of her exam. He kisses her, but she doesn't kiss him back. In fact, she turns her face so he only catches the corner of her mouth. He knows he's lost her.

Carlota sees he's upset and tries to pep-talk him. She tells him to show the great love he has for Lucia and be the man he was before. Por favor, Carlota; you know this is inutile! She encourages him to accept the presidency of the association because the other ranchers would support him. They trust him. Get your self esteem back, man! That would help but not for this, as we know.


♫♫Por amor...♫♫



Capitulo 79: The Beginning of the End, starting with the stupidest criminals in history


Casa McGuire, the next morning: Alex wants to visit Lucia, but he's afraid of Maripaz. Poor kid! Ivan reminds him about the judge in L.A. But Alex says “But Los Angeles is far away.” Smart boy, but Ivan tells him not to worry. [But we should.]

Ag Ass Office; Camilo goes to see JJ to accept the presidency. He gives him the insurance payout check for his own losses; we bet this has to come out of his own pocket.

Rancho Socorro, mostly: Ivan and Lucia talk on the phone. Alex wants to visit her but he's afraid of Maripaz. Ivan is hoping Lucia will come to Casa McGuire once or twice a week to visit. She tells him she can't. She is resigned to her fate. She sent Carmen out of the room with the baby, but later feels the need to tell her not to mention the call. We know how that will end. Gerry arrives.

Town: Antolin and Camilo talk. Antolin congratulates him and tells him that many important people will try to curry favor with him. Camilo says he won't be like Mondragon.

Hacienda Curiel, kitchen: Carmen finds out that Lucrazia will be going out on Monday and calls Saul.

Hacienda Curiel, sitting room: Gerry and Lucia talk about her marital problem. She refuses to be as selfish as Maripaz, but he tells her to think of herself and her feelings. He knows she loves Ivan. She tells him that she has to be the one to tell Ivan and admits that Perlita is Ivan's child. Gerry asks the universe why it is so hard on her.


Commercial Break that leads with a promo for La Que No Podia Amar.

Casa McGuire Ivan and Tony discuss Ivan's next move. Tony doesn't approve of Ivan's intention to force a DNA test on the baby. He doesn't want more trouble. Ivan doesn't want Perla to grow up without her father. Tony reminds him that he is his father although they don't share DNA, and Ivan says that this is completely different. Tony agrees, but says that Camilo is Perla's father. Punto. Ivan won't give up, Tony calls him stubborn, and finally Ivan walks out while Tony relaxes with Bruno.

Hacienda Curiel, sitting room: Gerry and Lucia talk about Camilo and Ivan. Maripaz enters and avoids the discussion Gerry tells her they must have by walking out with a flip comment about how the kiss meant nothing to either of them. As she exits Gerry comments on her cynicism. Lucia tells him not to worry; she'll be out of the house soon and they'll finally have peace. Then she tells him she loves him.

Somewhere there is an anvil waiting to fall.

Hacienda Curiel, Lucia's room, night: Camilo, why can't you leave her alone when she needs you to? She's studying for her exam. He suggests they go out on Sunday en familia like a normal couple. New clothes, etc. She consents. But the kiss he starts doesn't happen. Lucia is still sad.

Angelina's House: Judith visits Esther and Angelina. The latter comments that Esther's idea of divorce is crazy. Judith isn't falling for this. She goes through the motions, but assures her mother that she and David support her decision to divorce JJ.

Alamos, street: Ivan and Alex run into Lucia and Camilo, who are pushing Perlita in her pram. Ivan sees the baby for the first time. It's a hugely awkward encounter between the adults. Alex comments several times on how pretty the baby is. Do 11-year-old boys really talk like that anywhere in the world?

Casa Lomieli: Antolin takes his leave of Carolina to go to D.F. to enquire about the cornea. He will only be gone a few days. Gerry makes a comment about God compensating him for what he does. We ponder the meaning of that statement.

Hacienda Curiel: Lucrazia yells for Gloria to accompany her to the market. Suspense music begins as Lucrazia drives. Two black SUVs enter, surrounding Lucrazia. Three masked men in long-sleeved white shirts come out and pull her out of her car at gunpoint. We can tell that one of them is El Gordo. Gerry arrives, gets out of his car, and gets shot trying to save Lucrazia. He falls into the dirt road clutching his gut. El Gordo throws the pistol on the ground and the kidnappers take off as Maripaz drives up. Lucrazia screams to call the police and an ambulance and Maripaz quickly pulls out her cell phone. We don't see what happened to Lucrazia's car.


Commercial Break

Road out of Alamos: Something has happened to Antolin's car. Someone has stopped to help.

Road back to Alamos: El Gordo calls Saul to admit he screwed up and gets chewed out for his pains. He shot someone and just then Maripaz showed up. He's afraid Maripaz will go to the police.

Road to Hacienda Curiel: Maripaz calls the house to tell Lucia what happened. She has called the police and the ambulance but they haven't gotten there yet. Lucia hangs up and quickly tells Carlota. Carmen is in the room and is impactada because she now understands what was going on.

Road out of Alamos: Judith sees Antolin and offers him a ride back. He declines; his car is being attended to and he's en route to Mexico.

Road to Hacienda Curiel: Gerry is taken into an ambulance. The police talk, then find the pistol. One picks it up with a handkerchief. He doesn't watch La ley y la orden where Briscoe and Curtis use a pen to do this.

Hospital: Lucrazia is impactada that Gerry tried to rescue her. The doctor comes in. Gerry is in serious condition. The bullet perforated his intestine and he's lost a lot of blood. He needs transfusions. The nurse arrives to escort the family in to be tested for type. Maripaz doesn't want to, claiming she's too thin. Carlota isn't letting her off the hook and forces her in.

Hotel: Saul chews out El Gordo as El Gordo noshes on some snack that's a product placement. Carmen calls Saul and calls him out on what this was all about. She's angry at her failure to see through it before and he makes it worse by reminding her that she was their accomplice. She's scared as she tends to a crying Perlita.

Hospital: Maripaz wants to leave and Carlota isn't pleased with that. Lucrazia can't get over that Gerry risked his life for her. Carlota suggests that perhaps Gerry never stopped loving her (Holà, Carlota; have you forgotten about Alicia? Your daughter hasn't.)


Commercial Break The exit shot with Gerry and Lucrazia is the anvil waiting to fall. And this is not a Road Runner cartoon.

Casa Lomieli: Camilo and Lucia arrive to tell Carolina what happened. Camilo tries to be optimistic, but Lucia thinks they should be prepared for the worst because the doctor wasn't hopeful.

Hacienda Curiel: Carmen asks Maripaz how her father is. She says that she doesn't know but thinks he will die. As she exits Carmen says “Dear God, don't permit this.”

Hospital: The doctor allows Lucrazia to see Gerry, whose heart is weak. Carlota whispers “Dios mio, salvalo.” The doctor tells Lucrazia that they have administered pain medication and antibiotics to fight the infection from the gunshot. The next few hours are very important. The music becomes ominous. Lucrazia is clearly upset as she tells Gerry to fight for his life. His daughters need him and... she always loved him despite her inability to show it. He says that he loved (querer) her but that it didn't work. He asks to see Alex and Carolina. Lucrazia suggests that it wouldn't be good to see Alex now but that Camilo and Lucia went to get Carolina.

Camilo and Lucia arrive with Carolina, who is next to go in. Lucia calls Ivan to explain. After filling Tony in he exits.


Commercial Break that leads with promos for Navidad S.A. and for Una Familia Con Suerte

Casa Mondragon: JJ refuses the coffee the maid has prepared for him, demands his tequila, and Judith enters. She tries to explain to him why Esther won't come back. He complains that he tried to raise them strictly and all his children have failed him. She lets him know that he's done her mother wrong in a variety of ways and he gets on her case for criticizing him. Finally, when she tells him not to drink he defiantly down a shot of tequila and tells her to leave him alone.

Judith, get the hell out of there before you become the Tita of this family. That is a tradition worthy of death.

Casa Galvan: Carmen tells Arcelia about the attempted kidnapping and the shooting. She's very upset.

Casa McGuire: Ivan explains the school situation to Alex, then sits him down to tell him about Gerry. He tells him there are times to be strong and brave, like when he went from living with Gerry to living with him. Now is another such time. Alex realizes that Gerry might die.

Hospital, Gerry's Room: This is not looking good.

Carolina: Why did you try to save Lucrezia? Why?
Gerry: Because she is the mother of my daughters.
Carolina: But she always despised you.
Gerry: Carolina, this is not the time for this.
Carolina: [???] I love you. You were my friend, the only one always at my side. You always worried about me.
Gerry: Now you have Antolin. He loves you very much. Marry him. It will bring you peace.
Carolina: You have to get better. Promise me.
Gerry: I need to ask you a favor.
Carolina: Whatever you want.
Gerry: It's for my daughters. Lucia needs help and love. Maripaz... isn't good. Advise her. Keep her from going from bad to worse. Help her, please.
Carolina: Don't ask this, Gerardo. You will get out of here. You'll help your daughters as you always meant to.
Gerry: No. I don't think I will get out of here. En el fondo, it's OK. I'm tired. It's hard to hear.

The bright light and flatline sound.

Carolina keeps repeating his name. The doctors rush in. As Carolina trips over her cane the doctors apply the defibrilator twice but it's no good.

Doctor: Lo siento, Señorita. Esta muerto.

To die for a cause is a common evil; to die for nonsense is the devil – Henry Fielding


Avances:

Muchas lagrimas, an arrest, and another confrontation.


Vocabulary:

caballeriza stable
cachetada slap
collon or coyon ???? but definitely an insult
del en arroyo drag in the gutter
fichita ???? but definitely an insult (not sure of the spelling either)
lodo mud

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Comments:
Thanks for the great write up especially with the holiday today and all you have to do! Two hours was a bit much last night.
 

Urban- I had to read this before running off to my parents' house. I'm so glad I did. What an amazing recap of two impactful episodes in the midst of Thanksgiving preparations. Thank you so much.

I cried during those last scenes with Gerry. He said to Lucrezia that they loved/cared for each other (querer), but didn't know how to amar each other. So I think Carly was right that he always had the querer version of love for Lucrezia, but the amar kind of love for Alicia. Now they will be together. I half expected the angel version of Alicia to appear in that lasat scene and lead Gerry away.

Lucia needs to divorce Camilo already. Fine if she feels like she owes him. But is living in a loveless/sexless marriage, in separate rooms, really being kinder to him than just divorcing him? All the angst that's happening right now is being caused by her refusal to just end things with Camilo and be with the man she does love.

As for your question about whether little boys really speak that way about babies, yes. In Latin America, where EVERYONE showers babies with affection, they do. My nephew when he was little was also quite a good baby whisperer and loved them.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Off to eat some turkey and curried goat. Yum!
 

UA, great double header. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this.

Lucrazy may be on the road to redemption with the death of Gerry.

I sure hope they get MP moved before poor Carly has a stroke.

What is the deal with MP and the little red car? Who bought it? I thought she didn't have any money.

So Carmen finally realizes how evil Saul is. I wonder if she will end up in jail?

I would think that Antolin has plenty of witnesses so he won't have to spend in time in jail. But I bet dumb Caro will believe that he did it and give him plenty of grief.

Vivi, the angel version of Alicia would have been great!

Curried goat sounds wonderful!

Rosemary
 

MP bought the car with her monthly allotment from Ivan. And did anyone else notice that the car that was delivered to the house was a red convertible while the red car she drove up to Gerado and Lucrecia was a sedan, not a convertible? Guess the person in charge of continuity was on a coffee break.
 

MP bought the car with her monthly allotment from Ivan. And did anyone else notice that the car that was delivered to the house was a red convertible while the red car she drove up to Gerado and Lucrecia was a sedan, not a convertible? Guess the person in charge of continuity was on a coffee break.
 

UA, I didn't expect this so soon, tks for a good one.

What a surprise that Gerado died, I sure didn't expect that. I did know it would turn out badly because of the gang that couldn't shoot straight, except this time Gordo did.

I wonder if his corneas will go to Carolina?

Now I guess Antolín is going to get blamed since it is his gun, but Judith can save him.

Variopinta
 

I think Lucrecia is on the way to redemption.

Variopinta
 

It was great of you to recap this. I'm sure you are just as busy as the rest of us.
I felt bad for Gerardo. I do hope at least Caro gets the corneas.
Lucia is a coward. That's been her problem her whole life. She should have fought for Ivan. Then she should have never married Camilo, that was selfish and cowardice. And now she should just divorce him and let him have a shot at some happiness instead of making his life miserable.

I sure hope nothing happens to antolin. Poor Carolina, no Gerardo and no Antolin. I also feel very bad for Alex. Gerardo is like his father. He's just now getting used to a new father.he's had it rough lately. First he finds out Ger is not his father, them MP is his mother, then he moves to LA, now this!
 

Vivi we're having turkey and leg of lamb. Some of my sister-in-law's family is Cuban/lebonese. There cannot be a dinner without lamb. Fortunately I like it.
 

I don't think Carmen will go to jail. I think she will end up telling the truth about Saul/Gordo and she will end up with the foreman of the Ranch.

Lucrecia is finally realizing what love is. I betcha she'll be rooting for Lucia/Ivan in the end.
 

Urban A:

Madame, you astonish me. What a truly marvelous recap. I have only lightly tuned into this show and yet I feel all caught up because of your recapitulation.

The title is fab, the recap covers the two hours but never is repetitive. Thanks to you and the other recappers for doing such a grand job. I would almost rather read your summaries than watch the show!

Happy Thanksgiving to all,

Elna June, who lurks on this TN...
 

Great recap Urban.

Sad that Gerardo died. Poor Alex will need some therapy when he grows up.

Lucía suffers from the Zarattini leading lady desease: passivity.

Coyón: Coward.

Jarocha

Fichita: Someone distinguised by their wrong conduct.
 

Sorry, that was me, Jarocha up there.
 

Wow, UA! I can't believe you got yet another double-header, and on Thanskgiving eve no less!!! Thanks so much for such a complete delivery. I was expecting something much more compact.

Antolín said Maripáz was easier than a tabla de uno - a one's addition table. LOL!

There were a ton of great conversations and sayings in this one. A new one for me was "No te quitas el dedo del renglón" - which I think can be best translated as "Don't take your eye off the ball", and folks commonly paraphrase as "Don't give up."

What a sad outcome though. Bummer! I have to give kudos to the usually predictable writers that they completely surprised me with this one.

Audrey
 

Thanks as always, UA...damn, there was a lot going on in these two episodes...

And yeah, Gerry's death was a shocker for me too. It probably shouldn't have been, assuming this is in fact what pushes Lucrecia fully onto the path to redemption and kickstarts the march to el gran final (as much as I hate it, once the whole Alex thing came out the poor guy was expendable), but it was. At least Alejandro Tomassi, Rosa Maria Bianchi and Kika Edgar did some great work there.
 

Thanks for the comments, all. I did the best I could under the gun of an 11AM departure time for Turkey Day at a friend's house. My eyes were still a little swollen from crying at Gerry's death.

El Gordo is a dead man now.

Vivi, I totally agree with you. It does Camilo no favor for Lucia to string him along out of fear while being miserable herself. Not a good example for her daughter. I wondered why Carlota was encouraging Camilo to fight for Lucia's love when she knew that would be a losing battle.

I'm sure Antolin was far enough from the scene of the crime to establish his innocence, but I wonder whether the truth of the killing 11 years ago will come out.

Gracias, Jarocha, for those words. I suspected that coyon meant something like that, but the other was a mystery.
 

Vivi and UA... I'm in total agreement about Lucia's misguided treatment of Camilo. Honestly, I'm getting a little "harta" of the mopey senorita martyr thing Lucia's been playing for a while. She REALLY needs to rip off the bandaid with poor Camilo and let him move on! Ugh!

I'm hoping Carmen's on the path to redemption too... she could be such a spunky, fun character if she weren't being such a snot. I like how they're showing a more human side of her, mothering Perlita and feeling remorseful about becoming involved in the kidnapping fiasco.

I'm loving the Antolin/Carolina story! Totally rooting for them to make it out of this TN sano y salvo...

AnotherAmy
 

The only thing Lucrazia needs to do to redeem herself is to care about Lucia even if that means she has to get real about Maripaz. Sometimes she reminds me of Livia in I, Claudius who was told by her younger son "You mustn't mind if you dislike me. After all, a mother can't love all her children."

She needs to get tough with Maripaz, but I doubt that she will.

The angel version of Alicia showing up for Gerry would have been interesting, especially since there was an angel version of Catalina (Kika Edgar) in Amor Real greeting Alfonso after his battlefield death.

As to Maripaz having no money, I wonder whether that isn't a lie. I don't think she knows what the truth really is.

I apologise for my grammatical errors in the recap; next week will be better.
 

This is from word magic

no quitar el dedo del renglón

no qui·tar el de·do del ren·glón Verb

insist; Synonyms: insistir, persistir, porfiar; Repetir, reiterar o hacer varias veces lo mismo.

Variopinta
 

Just got TV y novelas, David Zepeda is the centerfold

Variopinta
 

Hi Variopintas -hope it's a good one!

I'm afraid that I have become less enamored of Zepeda's looks as this TN goes on. I am reminded of a hilarious thread over on the Univision Telenovelas forum (in Spanish) which was titled something like "Iván just keeps getting uglier and uglier".

I created a persona over on that forum to do more written Spanish conversation. It's pretty active and interesting and not as juvenile as most. Nothing deep of course LOL!

Audrey
 

I really did not like DZ's centerfold but I do like his looks.
He can get a real mean look on his face, like when Camilo grabbed him. That was a dagger look.

Varopinta
 

UA...thanks for a great recap!!!

I felt sorry for Gerry. I didn't see that coming.

As for MP's convertible,if I remember correctly, in Sortilegio, Wm. Levy had a BMW convertible that converted into a sedan. Does anyone else remember??? Also the actor with the last name...Siller was showing his BMW that converted to a sedan. Does anyone remember that???

I wish I could remember all the names of the novelas and actors like most of you do. I marvel at your great memories. Oh, well...

Ann-NYC
 

It's me again.

I just wanted to comment of Zepeda's looks. In this novela, why do they put so much lipstick on him. His lips look awful. They must think his lips are thin, they go so far over his lips. Just MHO.

Ann-NYC
 

Hello everyone! I hope everyone had wonderful Thanksgivings. My was lots of fun.

MP was driving a hard top convertible, like this: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/04/20/044378.html
 

Hi Vivi,

For some reason I can never get those http.coms, but thanks for explaining. Don't know much about cars. You are a most amazing young lady!!!

Ann-NYC
 

Ugh so upset about Gerry. But I do feel they were leading up to it with him telling Carolina that he could die tomorrow and then all the lovey dovey conversations with Lucia lately. Poor guy. One thing I don't quite get is why at the end he said he didn't want to live anymore. He loved his daughters and Alex very much.

Anyway, one funny thing that Antolin said I think in this episode was that MP was "easier than the 1 times table" ("mas facil que la tabla de uno"). I loved that one! Greatest novela quote ever for me.
 

You did Yeoman's work for a double-header the night before TG. Thanks!
 

You're welcome, all.
 

Hilda- That was a great line! I laughed at that one.
 

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