Thursday, December 08, 2011

La Fuerza del Destino #88 Wed 12/07/11 Maury Povich, please report to the studio and will somebody call Dr. Phil!

RECAP BY URBAN ANTHROPOLOGIST

Please provide any missing details. Gracias.

Antes

Lucia talks to the lawyer, Camilo's not cooperating, Antolin tries to talk sense, and Ivan and Camilo face off. Ivan talks to Lucia's lawyer.


Nuevo

Hospital, JJ's Room, morning: JJ is dressed and using a walker, frustrated as the doctor tries to reassure him that he will recover over the next few weeks if he works at it. Esther and the doctor come out to find Tony in reception. Tony explains the delicate situation regarding Ivan's paternity and asks about JJ's memory. The doctor talks in medical jargon about a lesion in the brain that is healing rapidly, but in general gives a positive prognosis. He advises against spilling the whole truth for a few days while JJ's brain recovers. Sounds like he knows his stuff.

Hacienda Curiel: Lucrazia is paranoid at a possible new kidnapping attempt and won't go out alone. At the news that Lucia is out with the baby and Ivan Lucrazia gets annoying again with her Harper Valley rant. Carlota tells her off as usual.

Maripaz' new den of iniquity / Camilo's office: Maripaz calls Camilo to lure him into her web. He tries to beg off but she persists until he agrees, telling her that they will have a lot to talk about.

Hacienda Curiel: Lucia and Ivan return to explain about the DNA test with regard to the divorce and custody.

Carlota: Where have you been?
Lucia: Camilo wants to take Perlita away because of the divorce so we need a DNA test to prove that Ivan is the biological father. (Hands the baby to Lucrazia)
Carlota: Ay, hija.
Ivan: In this way I can get custody of my daughter.
Lucrazia: Isn't this a little precipitous?
Carlota: We need to be prepared, Señora. Lucia and I are preparing ourselves precisely to avoid problems.
Ivan: In a few days we will have the results of the DNA test and it won't be that easy for Camilo to demand custody. Besides, he's fooling around with my sister. There is no better moment to file for divorce.
Lucrazia: Well, that doesn't mean they went to bed...
Lucia: Mama, you surprised them when they were practically naked.
Lucrazia: Well, that doesn't mean anything...
Ivan: Pardon me, Señora, but I don't think the judge will think the same as you
Lucrazia: And you two? What? You never did anything that –
Lucia: Ay, mama; por favor!
Carlota: Lucrazia, shut your mouth!

Ivan somehow manages to maintain a stiff upper lip through this craziness.

Lawyer Lavacida's (?) office: Camilo arrives for his appointment.

Casa Galvan: Carmen has the idea she no longer needs to work as a servant now that Camilo is the Ag Ass President. Arcelia reminds her that they may be poor, but they're honest people and she will have to do something. She refuses to be a servant, claiming she will do secretarial work in Camilo's office. Arcelia calls her on her B.S., and she flounces off. Another stalemate in this battle.

Camilo came clean about his dalliance with MP, but says that he will request that she deny it. The lawyer doesn't quite buy this, as he is aware that Lucrazia and Carlota saw the (circumstantial) evidence. Camilo says that there was no actual proof of any wrongdoing, but the lawyer advises him that the judge won't be that naïve. Camilo is determined to get custody of the baby. He starts talking about Ivan abandoning the pregnant Lucia (without admitting that Ivan didn't know she had been pregnant) and that he had previously abandoned the pregnant Maripaz. The lawyer says this could work in Camilo's favor, but asks him what his priority is;. Camilo replies that he wants custody of the baby because he loves her but that above all he doesn't want to lose Lucia.

Cada McGuire: Ivan is not prepared to lose either Lucia or the baby. He is sure that the DNA test will prove he is the father of Perlita and the judge will have no choice in the matter.

The anvil awaits.


Commercial Break that leads with a promo for La Que No Podia Amar.

Restaurant, outdoor table: Carlos and Judith are on a date. He tells her that her goodness shows through her beautiful eyes. He also says he loves her and that when JJ is better they will break the news to him. [This may just give him a heart attack, which would be best for both Judith and David.]

Casa McGuire: Ivan and Lucia talk over the phone about the upcoming divorce. Lucia is still worried.

MP's Web: They've obviously gotten it on, but Camilo asks her to lie about this if asked about it by the judge. She asks why and he says that he can't afford a scandal hurting his image due to his new position [Obviously he's been around Lucrazia too long.] and in the second place he doesn't want to give Ivan the satisfaction.

Hospital, Morning Saul has had his operation. He calls Esther to tell her that the prognosis is good and he'll be on his feet shortly.

Lawyer Zavaleta's office: The two lawyers talk about the case without their clients present. Zavaleta knows the entire backstory of the situation, including the fact that Ivan was unaware that Lucia was pregnant when he left Mexico the second time. Lavacida intends to paint the picture of Ivan as an irresponsible person who should not have custody of a child. Lucia has two choices: She can get the divorce but lose the baby or she can stay with Camilo. He believes she has everything to lose.

JJ's Hospital Room: Esther tells him that Ivan had to take a trip. JJ complains about Esther abandoning him to the tortures of hospitalization. She tells him off, saying she stuck around to help because he's ill, but if he wants her to go she'll go. He apologises, saying he's annoyed because he feels useless. She says she understands, but if he talks to her like that again, she will walk. He rolls his eyes with that merde-eating grin of his. The old JJ is almost back.

Judge's Chambers: Now it's on with Maury Povich off-camera.

Judge: Well, you all know that the purpose of this first meeting is to see if we can come to some agreement to avert the divorce.
Zavaleta: My client is not disposed to an agreement.
Judge: Very well. May I ask why, Señora?
Lucia: Our marriage had been good, Your Honor, but suddenly Camilo had insane fits of jealousy and my life at his side became impossible. I gave him an opportunity to change and he said he would but he couldn't control his jealousy and I don't think he ever can.
Camilo: She gave me the motive. When Ivan came back from the US my wife changed with me. She denied me physical intimacy
Judge: And you [both] don't think you can reconcile? That you can forget the errors of the past and change?
Lucia: No, I don't think so. (to Camilo) You'll never change. I can't go on with you.
Camilo: She's saying this because she's been hurt. Ivan won't stop pursuing her. But I'm sure we can still be happy again. Think about it Lucia. Give me a chance; what will it cost you?
Zavaleta: There is no agreement here and this will not end in a reconciliation. We can only pursue a divorce [forasoso?]
Judge: Under what article, licenciado?
Zavaleta: Under article number 425 of the civil code. For adultery. Señor Galvan deceived Señora Lomieli with her own sister.
Lavacida: There is no proof of this.
Lucia: Of course, there is. My mother and grandmother saw them together half naked and my grandmother will testify.
Camilo: Testify to what? What you want to see is --
Lucia: Por favor, have the guts to accept this.
Judge: I will have order! I understand that Señor Galvan is seeking custody of your daughter;.
Zavaleta: But, Your Honor, the biological father is Señor Ivan McGuire.
Judge: We'll see. We will continue when we have the results of the DNA test. In the next few days I will hear testimony about the presumed adultery, including that which implicates Señora Maripaz Lomieli. I will take these into consideration for the resolution.

All parties take leave of the judge and exit. Montage of scenes with Carlota, Lucrazia, and Maripaz and her crocodile tears. talking to the judge. We don't hear any dialogue because of the music bed. Finally, it's a few days later and we're back.

Judge: Well, gentlemen – and ma'am – I will render my judgment based on the evidence presented. In the matter of the divorce between Señora Lomieli and Señor Galvan on charges of adultery, the divorce is granted in favor of Señora Lomieli. (Lucia smiles as the suspense violins begin playing) With regard to the custody of Perla Galvan Lomieli demanded by Señor Camilo Galvan and Señor Ivan McGuire, (he looks at Ivan) the results of the DNA test requested by you to prove paternity is negative. Señor McGuire, you are not the father of this baby. (suspense music volume increases)
Ivan: This is impossible, Your Honor. I am the father of this baby girl.
Lucia: This can't be, Your Honor.
Judge: Perhaps the baby is the child of Señor Galvan?
Lucia: Camilo, you know the answer is No. That I was pregnant when we were married. Tell him. Tell him!
Judge: We can do another test to find the truth.
Camilo: Your Honor, the lady is right. I knew she was pregnant before we were married.
Ivan: I don't believe this. I don't believe this. Something's happened. I don't know. A lab error or somebody who could benefit from this result --
Judge: I recommend caution. This is very serious.
Ivan: I insist upon another test.


Commercial Break that leads with a promo for the terrorist documentary. As if the previous scene wasn't depressing enough.

Rancho Socorro: Lucia is crying, afraid of what the DNA results are going to mean. Ivan tries to calm her down, but she won't stop crying. She goes back inside and cries as she holds the baby.

Ivan: Ya, everything will be alright.
Lucia: I don't understand. I've never been with anyone else, I swear.
Ivan: Surely it's an error.
Lucia: But the judge will use this to decide custody of Perlita. That's what I'm worried about.
Ivan: We'll have to wait for new test results.
Lucia: But if it's wrong I could lose my baby!
Ivan (embracing her): Calm down, calm down.
Lucia: How can I? (She goes inside and takes the baby away from the maid, holding her) Nobody, nobody is going to separate us. Nobody. Nobody.

Lucrazia slithers in.

Lucrazia: Are you saying that Lucia has been with someone else?
Ivan: No. It was a lab mistake and that will be clarified.
Lucrazia: Because labs don't make mistakes like this, especially when the test is mandated. [something about legal procedures]

Carlota flashes back to the night Cleto found Lucia unconscious in her car and the evidence that something had happened to her.

Lucrazia: So, what happened then? The judge gave Lucia the divorce, didn't he?
Ivan: Yes, but nothing about the custody.
Carlota: Then what?
Ivan: Surely they're waiting for results of the test I demanded.
Lucrazia: Look, Ivan, I think you need to be a gentleman and put an end to this situation. Renounce your intentions toward my daughter and withdraw so Lucia can return to Camilo. Since he accepted her pregnant with another man's child what does it matter if the child is yours or someone else's?
Ivan: It's evident you are a woman without feelings. And very selfish. You have no love for you daughter Lucia. Con permiso. (exits)
Lucrazia: What did I say? At least he could have a little sympathy. [sentido] It would be better to avoid the murmurings that Maripaz isn't the only hija [cusca?] I have. They might even think I'm like this, fooling around with the workers or … I don't know only God knows.
Carlota (with a gesture of frustration): Shut up! You only say stupid things!
Lucrazia: What stupid things? It's obvious Lucia fooled around with someone else. What other proof do we need? You say things without sympathy; I don't understand anybody in this house! (Carlota exits to find Lucia).

Carlota (embracing her from behind as she sits in a chair crying): Hija.
Lucia: Abuela, I swear I never ---
Carlota: You don't have to tell me anything.
Lucia: The only men I've known are Ivan and Camilo. But with Camilo I only had relations after the wedding when I was already pregnant by Ivan.
Carlota (with a thoughtful expression Lucia can't see): What you have to do first is be calm.
Lucia: But I'm afraid that Ivan will think I've been with someone else.
Carlota: Ivan doesn't think that.
Lucia: But the results of the test –
Carlota: But the test could be wrong.
Lucia: It has to be. It has to be wrong.

Casa McGuire: Ivan and Tony talk about this. Zavaleta assures Ivan since judges are prejudiced in the mother's favor, but he suggests that Ivan marry Lucia right away to automatically share custody of the baby. Alternatively, he could wait for the test results. Ivan's not crazy about waiting another 10 days for another set of test results. Nor are we because there are only another 13 episodes left.

Ivan's temper is back and Tony denies that he thinks Lucia fooled around with anyone.

Restaurant: Camilo and his lawyer talk about this. No conclusions here.

Rancho Socorro: Lucia cries as she tells Ivan once more that she had never been with anyone other than him and Camilo. He believes her. He suggests that she simply file for sole custody for the moment and they will share custody when they're married. He hands her his cell phone so she can call Zavaleta.

Restaurant: Camilo and Antolin talk. Antolin warns him not to get mixed up with Maripaz. Camilo reminds him that he (himself) is neither a monk nor a saint. Anto advises him that if the urge hits he should find a hooker and pay her instead. Camilo asks whether Anto has done the Merry Piece and he replies “No. I'm not that foolish.”


Commercial Break that leads out with the crow's profile shot.

Casa McGuire, night: Ivan checks up on Alex, stroking his hair and kissing him.

Casa Lomieli: Carolina tells Antolin that no way would Lucia have been with a third man. They start discussing their wedding and even their future baby.

Park Bench, morning: Carlota talks to Berenice about the night she and Lucia went out clubbing. She tells her she thinks she saw Saul in the club, but she isn't quite sure. Carlota doesn't exactly tell her why she is enquiring about this.

Rancho Socorro: Antolin drives Carolina over so she can hang with Lucia. She brings a baby gift and tells her she will be getting married.

Casa McGuire: Carlota arrives and it almost feels like their earlier scenes. When she tells him how good and wise he is, Tony realizes that she's going to tell him something serious.

Rancho Socorro: Lucia and Carolina talk about their mixed feelings about their new situations. The happiness and the fear Carolina felt about her surgery and now Lucia's divorce; Carolina is now more optimistic than Lucia.


Commercial Break

Casa McGuire: Carlota and Tony talk

Tony: What do you think happened?
Carlota: I think she was drugged and raped. Lucia doesn't normally go out at night, especially to those kind of places, but her friend insisted.
Tony: Whoever brought her back to her home knows her and where she lives.
Carlota: Everyone in Alamos knows us.
Tony: I suppose you never spoke to her about this.
Carlota: No. In the beginning I couldn't believe it. I couldn't confront her with something this horrible. Now I'm hoping that the new DNA test will prove that Ivan is the father of Perlita. I don't know if I should warn her. She doesn't know anything. She is sure Ivan is the father.
Tony: We should hope for those results and then we'll see. I won't say anything to Ivan either.
Carlota: Thanks, Tony. When I talk about this I'm afraid. Never did I imagine this could happen to her. Never. I know in places like that girls can end up with stuff... drinks, pills, precisely so someone can take advantage of them.
Tony: Do you know whom she might have danced or talked with that night who could have done this?
Carlota: No. Her friend Berenice said she didn't see her with anyone. They were out only two hours.
Tony: Did they know anyone who was there?
Carlota: Berenice said that she thought she saw Saul Mondragon.

As the suspense theme begins Tony has the look of Impactada de Conocimiento.


Saul's Hospital Room: Saul is lying in his bed, happy at his progress. El Gordo comes to visit, entering without knocking. After what for them are a few pleasantries, Saul updates him.

Saul: You ran like a rat.
El Gordo: Better they said that I ran than stayed here.
Saul: Carmen would have had your head. I paid you. We had an agreement, but now I don't have to pay. Everything's fixed except my neck. Can't hide that.
El Gordo: Not so bad. You're looking well, dude.
Saul: Ayyy. With the therapy and rehab I'll walk again. Look. (flexes his left leg and ankle)
El Gordo: You're lucky. How did you manage to pay for the operation?
Saul: I didn't have to pay. My father is ill. He was in a coma. Can you believe that?
El Gordo: You don't say.
Saul: That desgraciado Camilo Galvan took advantage and became president of the ag ass. However I have the final satisfaction that I took a little while ago.
El Gordo: How did you do that?

Saul whistles through his teeth. He looks more repulsive than ever with his merde-eating grin. He is his father's son.

Casa McGuire: Tony lies about why Carlota came to see him, saying she came to see him about business matters.

Ivan: But I suppose you didn't just talk to her about business.
Tony: No. About many things.
Ivan: About Lucia?
Tony: About many things.
Ivan: But in all those things surely she said something about Lucia. What are you trying to say?
Tony: It was a conversation between Carlota and myself.
Ivan: But we should not have secrets between us.
Tony (shifts in his chair, clearly uncomfortable): Let's suppose that Lucia had a fling with someone and the baby isn't yours? Would you abandon them?
Ivan: Did Senora Carlota tell you Lucia had an affair?
Tony: We're only speculating.
Ivan: Never would Lucia have an affair with another man. She isn't that sort of woman.
Tony: You have the right of suspicion. It could have been revenge or desperation... or a misfortune. [desgracia]
Ivan: What desgracia?
Tony: An assault in the street?
Ivan: Do you think someone took advantage of her?
Tony: Ivan, I am speculating.

Cue suspense music.

Rancho Socorro: Camilo comes to see Lucia to tell her he's sorry for what's happened and that he loves Perla. When he insists that Perla will need a father she dismisses him. As he leaves Berenice arrives.

Berenice: This morning I saw your grandmother.
Lucia: You were here?
Berenice: No, she came to see me. Questions about the night we went out.
Lucia: Berenice, I told her I don't remember anything. I felt ill when I got home but I don't know how.
Berenice: You were ill from only one mug?
Lucia: I never drink much and I got sick, I don't know. Why is my grandmother asking about this?
Berenice: I don't know.
Lucia: I remember almost nothing about that night. What do you remember?
Berenice: First you were in a bad mood. I got up to dance with somebody and you disappeared. Girlfriend, did something happen?
Lucia: The DNA test results said that Perlita is not Ivan's child.
Berenice: No; that's impossible. Therefore whose? Camilo's?
Lucia: I'm sure she isn't Camilo's.
Berenice: This is very weird. Try to remember. When you left what happened?
Lucia: I don't know how I left. I was confused, upset. I went out to my car. I only remember Cleto escorting me through the door of my house...
Berenice: Drugged?
Lucia: I don't remember anything. I woke up in my bed. (pauses, in shock) Are you thinking what I'm thinking? I was raped! If I was raped, who is the father of my baby?


Avances:

Lucia confronts the truth. Maripaz trash-talks Lucia to their mother. There is an argument with Ivan followed by a possible accident.

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Comments:
Muchas gracias for posting this for me, Vivi. I missed some conversational detail this time, but I think I got the important stuff.
 

Urban- Thank you for taking one for the team and recapping this tough episode. Ack!

I am so glad that Lucia is starting to realize the truth of what happened that night. But enough with the secrecy already. Carly and Tony need to sit Lucia and Ivan down and tell them what Carly knows about that ill-fated night.

Cusca is yet another way to say whore. And it shows just how little Lucrezia knows Lucia. She's quick to assume Lucia jumped into bed with some random man, but defends MP no matter what she does. Ivan had her pegged just right. She has no feelings when it comes to Lucia.

On another note, could Perlita have been any cuter? Too bad her daddy is Saul. Ick!
 

Thank you Ua for the wonderful recap. I love your detail in the conversations. It is a real shame that cute little Perlita's is Saul's baby. I agree with you Vivi. Lucrazy has no soul. She always always takes up for Merry Piece even when she catches her half naked with Mc Bitterson. Poor Lucia, never knowing she had been raped. Carlota should really have told her. Since Ivan is the half brother of Saul wouldn't he have some of the same DNA markers as Saul? It would be a close match, but not close enough.
 

This was a tough episode and this whole thing about the rape is so skeevy.

I wonder whether the results will be explained like in the Law and Order shows, with someone describing how Ivan is not the father, but that the father is a related person. This would make Saul the only suspect. Since he is still in the hospital it would be easy to take a blood or skin sample for testing.

So little Alex now has a stepsister who is also his cousin and JJ is bio-abuelo to both of them. At least JJ will go ballistic at Saul when he finds out about the rape because Saul might just be stupid enough to brag about it to him. JJ doesn't deserve the three nice nietos he has; it's a good thing that DNA isn't everything.

It is also somehow appropriate that Ivan will end up parenting a child that isn't biologically his daughter, as his true father is Tony. But as soon as he knows that Saul raped Lucia he will take him apart. Camilo might also do that.

The scariest thing about this is that Lucrazia truly doesn't know Lucia. Not from the beginning of her life. She thought nothing of pulling Lucia out of school for a year when they went away for Maripaz' pregnancy; had Lucia been any less academically motivated she might not have gone as far as she has. Lucrazia protects Maripaz from any and all criticism and is ready to call her good daughter a whore. Ivan gave it to her between the eyes with his comments, which are long overdue. For all Lucrazia's rants about sympathy, she doesn't feel any of it except for herself.

One can't blame Carlota for being fed up with this. However, Carlota should never have kept the rape a secret. Tony had the right idea in how he is handling it now and we have to hope that Lucia and Ivan talk about this tonight.
 

Thank you very much for the recap.

Finally Ivan has come into his own, saying no to everyone including his DADDY. Again the crap with Tony trying to get Ivan to look at alternatives, there are no alternatives, Ivan thought that was his daughter and that's that. He wants to be a family with Lucia, Tony and Lucrezia should get over it and stop putting obstacles. I hope Carlota has learned from past mistakes and does not jump onto this bandwagon.

I am sure with JJ still being JJ, once he finds out about he rape he will see a great way to unite the families and tell Lucrezia to have Lucia marry Saul!!! Of course Lucrezia would fall for it.

I think Camillo has gone off the deep end on this, they are making him into one big louse, like Saul. I was glad of the limited use of MP yesterday, did not miss her at all. I hope they fully explain Lucrezia's hangup with her. Sometimes I wonder if she's JJ's daughter, but then this being a TN, they would not allow her to get together with Saul.
 

Nellie- "they would not allow her to get together with Saul"
...or David, or Ivan and have a child with him. Nope, that would be just too much incest.

I don't think it's unheard of in dysfunctional families for a parent to enable the child acting out, to the point of being downright cruel to the "good" child. MP is her first born too. Perhaps that also has something to do with it. Perhaps by the time Lucrezia came around, she was already sick of Gerry and the life she was living with him. Perhaps she sees a lot of Gerry's personality in Lucia.
 

typo, "by the time Lucia came around..."
 

It would such a shame for Ester to have wasted money on fixing Saul's leg just so he can get around prison better. I'd rather see him as a distraction and maybe Gordo is the real slug?

Kelly
 

Kelly,Vivi

so you really think Saul will pay for his crime of rape? The way Lucrezia and JJ like to sweep things under the rug, I thought JJ would scurry him out of town possibly to the US? In this TN it seems the only ones who pay are Ivan and Lucia.

Vivi, thanks I've put a dunce cap on, forgot that MP had slept with all of them, how could I forget about David. I think the actress has been superb playing MP, but I forget about her antics as soon as she is off the screen.
 

I'm hoping that all this sturm und drang will finally drag the truth out of Carlota, but that it will turn out the lab did screw up and adorable Perlita is Ivan's after all. Although one major theme of this show seems to be that biological parentage doesn't matter nearly as much as real parentage.

I'm not sure I understand why Lucia was worried about losing custody. I thought the only question was whether Camilo could share custody. Either way she isn't losing Perlita, right? Because she's the mother and hasn't done anything so wrong she'd be seen as an unfit parent. I mean, even MARIPAZ was granted custody of Alex.

Well, Carmen wasted no time getting back to her snobby entitled old ways. She thinks she doesn't have to work now that her brother is head of the Ag Ass? And Camilo can't even be bothered with his ranch now that he runs the Ag Ass? 'Cause he's too big and important now? Someone's got his head UP his ag ass. Just how much graft is possible in this small-town position?

UA, thank you so much. Great title, and I really appreciate the conversations you opt to translate. Plus the comment about Ivan nailing Lucrecia right between the eyes. He's grown up a lot, managing to call out her evil ways so incisively without losing his cool.
 

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Thanks so much for this difficult recap UA. I too appreciated your dialogue translations.

I know the story has moved here but I must again question why rape; we were all having a relatively nice time (only occasional stupidity with the plot) and now this. Ick!

Carlota needs to get real very quickly. Now that you've talked with Tony you need to do what you should have done a year ago and tell your nieta what happened to her. This secrecy about something so important is really ridiculous!
 

ITA Karen. You know hoe I feel about the subject. Now I hope they start dealing with this thing the right way. If they are going to use rape as a plot point, then use it as a damn educational moment and show women and families the RIGHT way to deal with this situation.
 

Urban: I knew by the title this would be wonderful and indeed it was! It is immediatly apparent as to how much care and effort you spent on this. Thank you for translating all of the conversations - these are so helpful! Outstanding!

While some of Carlota's mistakes may be unforgiveable, (notably not telling Lucia she was likely raped), I cannot condemn her for stepping cautiously here. At least she shared the dire possibility that Lucia was violated with Tony who thankfully does not subscibe to Carlota's storing all the lies and secrets "in the vault".

If the rapist was indeed Saul, ITA with Kelly's "It would such a shame for Ester to have wasted money on fixing Saul's leg just so he can get around prison better. If, I hasten to add (most uncharitably), he lives that long.

Diana
 

It was nice that Ivan didn't assume Lucia had been bedhopping the way many galáns would have. He believed her and right from the start his reaction was to think that the test must have been flawed. In many shows, he would have thrown a tantrum and called her a slut, and they would have broken up, and it would NEVER have occurred to him that there might be some other explanations, like an error in the lab or a rape.
 

This time I got a better idea of where Carlota's head was. She seemed very bewildered and confused about what had happened. In denial, yes. But I still sensed an honest difficulty in imagining that such a thing could have happened, i.e. it being so beyond her experience.

But still, no excuses for Carly not talking with Lucia about the events of the night and any concerns she might have had. Even if just to say she was confused.

I thought Lucia remembered nothing past her drinking in the bar but waking up in her own bed?

If this is a PSA about date rape drugs - well it is a pretty bizarre one. Like how to do everything wrong?

Thanks for the awesome recap UA, especially the dialogs

Audrey
 

Thanks, UA. As usual you helped clear up the fog of rapid-fire Spanish!

In a way whatt might be a saving grace for this show is that most of the characters may be situationally dumb or shortsighted (or obsessed with something that eclipses everything else, like appearances *cougheverybodybutIvanandLuciacough*), but overall they're not really that stupid. (Maripaz skirts the line.)

I'm still holding out hope that the rape thing is just a lab snafu, but the way the show's rolling...nope, I was probably wrong on that one. Saul's merde-eating grin was what sealed it for me...Gordo's busy, so to speak, with Gerry's murder and that rules him out. Saul either did it or knows the redshirt who did.
 

That Saul said anything at all to El Gordo means it was him. He was always annoyed that Lucia didn't succumb to his pressure for pre-marital sex when they were officially dating (and assumed to eventually marry) so I suppose he always felt she owed him somehow since she didn't wait for marriage with Ivan. And given how little he cares about his known kid, I guess he just couldn't be bothered to notice any consequences.

Eewwww! I guess this means they are going to replay what actually happened from Saul's point of view? Double yuck!!!

Audrey
 

If JJ had all his memories intact, he would be furious with Saul for raping Lucia (it just won't do to have the son of a MondragON be the town rapist), and the only reason he would try to convince Lucia & Saul to marry is to cover up the rape.

NOT to "merge the families". That would be a bonus, but not the primary reason JJ would want them married. Remember, that's the reason JJ wanted Carmen & Saul to marry...to cover up Saul's role in Lucrazia's attempted kidnapping and Gerry's murder.

But I have a feeling JJ & the rest of the Mondragons will wash their hands of Saul after they learn of the rape.
 

That Saul said anything at all to El Gordo means it was him. He was always annoyed that Lucia didn't succumb to his pressure for pre-marital sex when they were officially dating (and assumed to eventually marry) so I suppose he always felt she owed him somehow since she didn't wait for marriage with Ivan.

Audrey, that's right on the money.

I think JJ would see Saul as a waste of space at this stage. This will come out into the open and the Mondragon's family escutcheon will be stained forever.

As far as I can tell, Saul's fate is now sealed and Esther's money went to waste.

He's such an idiot he is likely to brag about this beyond El Gordo. He might even attempt to sue for custody of Perla as an additional act of revenge against Lucia.

When you think about it the casting of Ivan, Saul, and the baby is brilliant. Either of the two could be the father of the baby.
 

In you ask me I think the Saul as the daddy is a red herring only to spice up the last few episodes. Bruno, oops, Ivan will turn out to be the daddy and Lucia will be stuck with him. Kind of creepy if you think about, a child with two sisters. Ick.
 

Toxic parents enabling errant children is nothing unusual. Maripaz is Lucrazia's flip side. Would it be ridiculous to suppose that Lucrazia envies Maripaz' sexual freedom and license to do as she pleases? Remember how she once ogled Camilo's bare chest.

Of course, Lucia has the same freedom, but she has morals. Lucia has education that Lucrazia also envies. The problem is that while Lucrazia would never have been able to do what Maripaz does due to her own generation's attitudes about sex, she could have done what Lucia did.

And Lucia has had both Camilo and Ivan.

If you ask me, the person who will be the most callous about Lucia's rape (after Maripaz) is most likely to be Lucrazia. She might be the one to push for Lucia to marry Saul and if that is the case she should burn in hell.
 

UA--another wonderful recap with fantasitc translations of conversations. You always pick the perfect ones to do. Thank you!

Vivi-Thank you for Monday's recap. McBittersons was brilliant.

I don't know what else to say about this episode. I cried when Lucia ran in the bedroom desperately needing to snuggle her child.

I am just sick about the Saul/rape storyline. Completely disgusted.
 

Oh I forgot to tell you how much I enjoyed your title UA! great title! You really had me laughing.

Hope you still catch this.

Audrey
 

Thanks, all. Always a pleasure.
 

Urban, what a great title. The recap was equally great. Thank you for your work on the dialogue.
 

Today I am eating my words, it was Saul, the bugger.
 

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