Friday, February 03, 2012
El Talismán #4 Thu 2/2/12 Depend on the rabbit's foot if you will, but remember it didn't work for the rabbit*
*R. E. Shay
As Marta said last night: Greg is kicking Camila out of the house, but she won’t leave until he promises he won’t invite her dad to the party… Greg keeps washing his hands, that would not be my fault, or is it my fault that your dad has the vice?... Camila yells at him that her dad would be fine if he was not her mom’s lover!!
Tonight: As if poor Mariana doesn’t feel crappy enough, now she remembers Camila and thinks she has somehow come between Pedro and the chava he likes. He lies and says not true, he and Camila just have different paths.
Gregorio, henceforth known as Gagorio and sometimes Gargoyle, lies too, and keeps insisting to Camila that he and Elvira aren’t lovers. In fact the only thing that interests him is that Camila leave NOW. She should be talking directly to her father, but instead she begs the Gargoyle not to invite weak daddy over to his place tonight.
OK, so now Camila is back home and begging Esteban (aka Estupido and any other name that begins with Est...) not to go to Gag’s casino, it’s a trap! Estubborn uses all the textbook addict excuses, he doesn’t want to appear rude, it’s just a birthday party, Gag only wants to help, everything will be fine. Was that a big “L” I saw on his forehead? Or maybe a big “D” for desgraciado.
Camila tells Tracy the only thing she can think of to do is to go to Alcatraz to stop dad from gambling.
Over at Alcatraz Gagorio is in full troglodyte mode, instructing his DIL Doris that tonight is men only, no women. (Good, I’d rather wash my wool sweaters and iron cotton shirts than go to his smelly party.) Doris know what’s up, he doesn’t want that odious Camila to show up and cause problems. Doris is NOT to let Camila in if she shows up. He shows her his deck of cards to inspect. Bwahahaha...they’re marked!! I’m shocked, yawn.
Tracy runs into Camila’s room to warn her that papa is leaving. Tracy volunteers to go with Camila because she’s an awesome babe and a good friend.
It’s party time at Alcatraz!! The rooms are lit and filled with mariachi music, cigar smoke and no doubt too much aftershave. Just then Estupido shows up and comments on the temptation. Gag sez no problem, just don’t play. Of course Estupido sits right down at a table.
Camila and Tracy show up but they are physically prohibited from entering. Meanwhile dad is already gambling and, too dumb to even suspect Gagorio might be cheating, thinks he is having a lucky night. Drink up! Let’s toast! Play again!
Upstairs Doris is flouncing around like the lady of the manor yelling at the servants and annoying Lucrezia. After bossing the maid, Doris and Lucrezia get into it. Lu says she doesn’t actually hate Doris, she just finds her insufferable. Doris describes her relationship with Antonio as “complicated”. Then they peek out the window to watch Valentin kick Camila and Tracy off the property.
Elvira calls Camila and finds out Estupido is in Gagorio’s little casino. Elvira freaks and tells Camila to stop dad. Duh, says Camila, that’s what I’m trying to do because you’re in freakin' Nuevo York where your lover sent you to go shopping!
Estupido is still “winning” and now convinced his lucky streak is permanent. Gag makes an ominous comment about winning the ranch which kind of freaks Estupido out, but only temporarily I’m sure.
Upstairs the girls are still being snotty to each other. Lucrezia, wearing the ugliest outfit ever (showing a lot of leg though, so the gentlemen might appreciate her taste), tells Doris don’t bother sucking up to her because dad’s not around to hear, then she kicks Doris out. OK so now we know these two prima donnas can't stand each other and Doris sucks up to Gagorio so he'll force Antonio to stay married to her.
Estupido is an obnoxious winner, yelling loudly, clapping and disrupting the room in between slugs of booze. Gagorio lays it on thick, and tells Estupido to promise that if they bet their ranches and Estupido wins Alcatraz, then he has to sell El Tal to Gagorio so Gag’s not left empty handed. Ha ha ha, what a funny joke. Then Estupido surprises all of us by saying he was thinking the same thing! Wouldn’t it be cool to pit rancho against rancho? Oh man, this guy must beat himself daily with the stupid stick.
Elvira calls Gagorio and begins hurling insults at him, accusing him of setting all this up to get her out of town. Yep that’s me, he grins, I used you just like you used me. She calls him a scoundrel. That’s right, thank you, he laughs. Then he promptly goes to Esteban and proposes a friendly little game of rancho vs. rancho.
Camila and Tracy are lurking around outside trying to figure out a way inside the house. They run into Lucrezia who threatens to call the police. Camila begs her to let them in the house but Lu says sorry, no can do.
I’m getting tired of these short scenes in the casino where the same crap keeps happening over and over again. Gagorio is losing and pretends to be worried about betting the ranch. Oh gag me. Estupido is stupid drunk and keeps following Gagorio around tempting him with the bet. Finally Gagorio “relents” and announces to the room that they will be witnesses to their genteman’s game.
Just then Pedro shows up and shouts “I’m in!” He throws down a check equal to the value of the ranch and says he’s ready to play. Gagorio is probably shooting dagger eyes at him but his face is so devoid of emotion I can’t really be certain. Also, I’m not at all sure how Pedro found out about this party. Adjust beanie and continue.
Now Lu is being sickly sweet to Camila and says she’d like to let her in but she can’t go against papa. Lu mentions the super hot Pedro, you know the guy who used to run the ranch before Camila’s family bought it. Seeing Camila’s surprise Lu mentions she sees Pedro from time to time. Smile. Camila wants to know what Lu means exactly. “Oh, Pedro interests you, does he?” asks Lu? Lu says Pedro loves to play around with his little affairs but he doesn’t stay with anyone. That’s why Lu wants to warn Camila that Pedro’s a real womanizer.
Gagorio doesn’t want to play with Pedro. Besides no peons were invited to his party. Pedro blusters that this is a setup designed to trick Esteban and Gagorio doesn’t want anyone to interfere, that’s why he doesn’t want Pedro there. Gagorio glares. Esteban juts his chin and stares at Gagorio. Pedro gazes defiantly. Repeat.
The expected posturing and sputtering ensue, with Esteban sticking up for Pedro. Heck, the kid’s got money let him play. But Gag really doesn’t want Pedro around so they yell at each other about how Pedro got the money. We know so I’ll move on. They finally decide that Estupido and Gagorio will play and the winner will play Pedro. Oh hey look, Antonio is there. Where has he been all night?
Estupido and Gagorio play. The suspense is killing me. Estupido throws down a very good hand and starts to grab all the chips but the Gargoyle stops him. Gag has the winning hand and victoriously announces he is the new owner of El Talisman!! Pedro is ready to play Gag for El Alcatraz but some guy who seems to be in charge says Gagorio gets to choose which rancho he bets. Gag goes out of the room to think and Antonio follows him, doesn’t want dad to bet their rancho. Dad says no problem, the cards are marked, he's gonna win no matter which rancho he bets. Antonio is worried, what if Pedro somehow wins?
Gagorio enters and announces he’s going to bet El Talisman. Pedro and Gag sit down and glare at each other. A lot.
Pedro’s not as dumb as he looks sometimes. He insists on using new cards. Way to go!! Antonio, looking like an incredibly hot Eddie Munster, fidgets nervously. Dude in charge agrees the kid is right, he’s allowed to use new cards. Pedro glares triumphantly as the cards are dealt.
Oh my the suspense is building as the men play, the cymbals crash and the drums thunder. Gagorio has a full house with aces and kings. Naturally he assumes he’s won. But our Pedro is a very cool player and his face gives nothing away. Antonio’s freaking as Pedro shows his hand..four queens! Pedro pops up and says they all saw, he won El Talisman. Here comes the best part. He smiles and says “We’re going to be neighbors. Happy birthday.” Ooh, Eddie Munster looks so pissed off!
Estumble leaves the house a beaten man. Of course Camila is outside waiting, she sees his face and begs, “What did you do?” They hug and sob as Lucrezia sluttily watches. What is that girl wearing on her feet?
Inside things are not going smoothly. Gag is yelling and Pedro says he won Mariana’s ranch back so she can reclaim her place as the owner of the ranch. Everything will be as it should except that Mariana is sick and it’s all Gagorio’s fault. Gag angrily vows to get back at Pedro and Mariana. Man, these guys are all rotten losers.
Mariana is wandering around her apartment acting all disoriented. She sees her babysitter Margarito who says Pedro will be back soon. She doesn’t seem to know who either men are. “Why can’t I remember anything?” she wails.
Back at the casino lots of yelling is still going on. Las Cucarachas Negrete kick Pedro out. Lucrezia comes in and she’s clearly happy about her new neighbor. Gagorio goes outside to insult Esteban, laugh at him and tell him he’s full of crap. Esteban is wailing for mercy, a place to stay, wah boo hoo. Pedro tries to calm Estupido down and when Estupido starts giving him a hard time about throwing them off the ranch Pedro tells him he should have thought about his assets before he bet them in a poker game. But Pedro is the good guy remember? He actually tells Esteban that he’ll give him money for El Tal so Esteban can buy another ranch. How can he do that? Is the raisin business that lucrative?
Camila and Tracy get home and tell Armando that dad lost everything in a poker game. Like father like son, he says maybe they can win it back in another game of poker. Uh, no.
Pedro gives Esteban a check to cover current expenses. He says he’ll give the balance to Elvira, not Esteban. Esteban tries to reassure Pedro that he’s trustworthy, his wife doesn’t love him, blah blah blah. Pedro points out Esteban is drunk, the money goes to Elvira.
Gagorio goes back inside and pitches a fit. Looks like the party’s over. Who cares, it sucked anyway. Lucrezia tells Antonio she’s happy Pedro’s going to be their neighbor. She plans to jump his bones. Antonio gets mad and starts roughing her up but she shakes him off. Pedro’s going to be hers!
Pedro goes home and tells Margarito he’s the new owner of El Talisman, then tells the convoluted tale of how he ended up with the rancho. Now he and Mariana are going back to El Tal so she can recover from her illness. “And Camila?” wonders Margarito. Pedro says Camila and her family can buy another rancho, hopefully far away and maybe she’ll never know he’s married.
Esteban arrives home, a failure as a father, a husband, and as a man. Armando and Camila get on his case and he tells them to chill, mom will take care of them. Dad’s not important any more. Who was it predicted suicide? Estumble makes his way upstairs while Armando has a tantrum.
Upstairs Esteban recalls the worst moments of the night and Elvira’s cruel words to him. He cries that he can’t bear to be abandoned by Elvira. (Why not? She’s a bitch.) Uh oh, he stares at his nightstand and hears all the accusing voices raging in his head. He opens a drawer and pulls out a gun. Dude, not in the house! He puts it to his head and...Camila knocks on the door and asks for papa. “Papa, are you there? What are you doing? Are you OK?” He points at his head and...
That’s all for tonight folks. Advances show that Esteban might wait for Elvira to get home before he offs himself.
As Marta said last night: Greg is kicking Camila out of the house, but she won’t leave until he promises he won’t invite her dad to the party… Greg keeps washing his hands, that would not be my fault, or is it my fault that your dad has the vice?... Camila yells at him that her dad would be fine if he was not her mom’s lover!!
Tonight: As if poor Mariana doesn’t feel crappy enough, now she remembers Camila and thinks she has somehow come between Pedro and the chava he likes. He lies and says not true, he and Camila just have different paths.
Gregorio, henceforth known as Gagorio and sometimes Gargoyle, lies too, and keeps insisting to Camila that he and Elvira aren’t lovers. In fact the only thing that interests him is that Camila leave NOW. She should be talking directly to her father, but instead she begs the Gargoyle not to invite weak daddy over to his place tonight.
OK, so now Camila is back home and begging Esteban (aka Estupido and any other name that begins with Est...) not to go to Gag’s casino, it’s a trap! Estubborn uses all the textbook addict excuses, he doesn’t want to appear rude, it’s just a birthday party, Gag only wants to help, everything will be fine. Was that a big “L” I saw on his forehead? Or maybe a big “D” for desgraciado.
Camila tells Tracy the only thing she can think of to do is to go to Alcatraz to stop dad from gambling.
Over at Alcatraz Gagorio is in full troglodyte mode, instructing his DIL Doris that tonight is men only, no women. (Good, I’d rather wash my wool sweaters and iron cotton shirts than go to his smelly party.) Doris know what’s up, he doesn’t want that odious Camila to show up and cause problems. Doris is NOT to let Camila in if she shows up. He shows her his deck of cards to inspect. Bwahahaha...they’re marked!! I’m shocked, yawn.
Tracy runs into Camila’s room to warn her that papa is leaving. Tracy volunteers to go with Camila because she’s an awesome babe and a good friend.
It’s party time at Alcatraz!! The rooms are lit and filled with mariachi music, cigar smoke and no doubt too much aftershave. Just then Estupido shows up and comments on the temptation. Gag sez no problem, just don’t play. Of course Estupido sits right down at a table.
Camila and Tracy show up but they are physically prohibited from entering. Meanwhile dad is already gambling and, too dumb to even suspect Gagorio might be cheating, thinks he is having a lucky night. Drink up! Let’s toast! Play again!
Upstairs Doris is flouncing around like the lady of the manor yelling at the servants and annoying Lucrezia. After bossing the maid, Doris and Lucrezia get into it. Lu says she doesn’t actually hate Doris, she just finds her insufferable. Doris describes her relationship with Antonio as “complicated”. Then they peek out the window to watch Valentin kick Camila and Tracy off the property.
Elvira calls Camila and finds out Estupido is in Gagorio’s little casino. Elvira freaks and tells Camila to stop dad. Duh, says Camila, that’s what I’m trying to do because you’re in freakin' Nuevo York where your lover sent you to go shopping!
Estupido is still “winning” and now convinced his lucky streak is permanent. Gag makes an ominous comment about winning the ranch which kind of freaks Estupido out, but only temporarily I’m sure.
Upstairs the girls are still being snotty to each other. Lucrezia, wearing the ugliest outfit ever (showing a lot of leg though, so the gentlemen might appreciate her taste), tells Doris don’t bother sucking up to her because dad’s not around to hear, then she kicks Doris out. OK so now we know these two prima donnas can't stand each other and Doris sucks up to Gagorio so he'll force Antonio to stay married to her.
Estupido is an obnoxious winner, yelling loudly, clapping and disrupting the room in between slugs of booze. Gagorio lays it on thick, and tells Estupido to promise that if they bet their ranches and Estupido wins Alcatraz, then he has to sell El Tal to Gagorio so Gag’s not left empty handed. Ha ha ha, what a funny joke. Then Estupido surprises all of us by saying he was thinking the same thing! Wouldn’t it be cool to pit rancho against rancho? Oh man, this guy must beat himself daily with the stupid stick.
Elvira calls Gagorio and begins hurling insults at him, accusing him of setting all this up to get her out of town. Yep that’s me, he grins, I used you just like you used me. She calls him a scoundrel. That’s right, thank you, he laughs. Then he promptly goes to Esteban and proposes a friendly little game of rancho vs. rancho.
Camila and Tracy are lurking around outside trying to figure out a way inside the house. They run into Lucrezia who threatens to call the police. Camila begs her to let them in the house but Lu says sorry, no can do.
I’m getting tired of these short scenes in the casino where the same crap keeps happening over and over again. Gagorio is losing and pretends to be worried about betting the ranch. Oh gag me. Estupido is stupid drunk and keeps following Gagorio around tempting him with the bet. Finally Gagorio “relents” and announces to the room that they will be witnesses to their genteman’s game.
Just then Pedro shows up and shouts “I’m in!” He throws down a check equal to the value of the ranch and says he’s ready to play. Gagorio is probably shooting dagger eyes at him but his face is so devoid of emotion I can’t really be certain. Also, I’m not at all sure how Pedro found out about this party. Adjust beanie and continue.
Now Lu is being sickly sweet to Camila and says she’d like to let her in but she can’t go against papa. Lu mentions the super hot Pedro, you know the guy who used to run the ranch before Camila’s family bought it. Seeing Camila’s surprise Lu mentions she sees Pedro from time to time. Smile. Camila wants to know what Lu means exactly. “Oh, Pedro interests you, does he?” asks Lu? Lu says Pedro loves to play around with his little affairs but he doesn’t stay with anyone. That’s why Lu wants to warn Camila that Pedro’s a real womanizer.
Gagorio doesn’t want to play with Pedro. Besides no peons were invited to his party. Pedro blusters that this is a setup designed to trick Esteban and Gagorio doesn’t want anyone to interfere, that’s why he doesn’t want Pedro there. Gagorio glares. Esteban juts his chin and stares at Gagorio. Pedro gazes defiantly. Repeat.
The expected posturing and sputtering ensue, with Esteban sticking up for Pedro. Heck, the kid’s got money let him play. But Gag really doesn’t want Pedro around so they yell at each other about how Pedro got the money. We know so I’ll move on. They finally decide that Estupido and Gagorio will play and the winner will play Pedro. Oh hey look, Antonio is there. Where has he been all night?
Estupido and Gagorio play. The suspense is killing me. Estupido throws down a very good hand and starts to grab all the chips but the Gargoyle stops him. Gag has the winning hand and victoriously announces he is the new owner of El Talisman!! Pedro is ready to play Gag for El Alcatraz but some guy who seems to be in charge says Gagorio gets to choose which rancho he bets. Gag goes out of the room to think and Antonio follows him, doesn’t want dad to bet their rancho. Dad says no problem, the cards are marked, he's gonna win no matter which rancho he bets. Antonio is worried, what if Pedro somehow wins?
Gagorio enters and announces he’s going to bet El Talisman. Pedro and Gag sit down and glare at each other. A lot.
Pedro’s not as dumb as he looks sometimes. He insists on using new cards. Way to go!! Antonio, looking like an incredibly hot Eddie Munster, fidgets nervously. Dude in charge agrees the kid is right, he’s allowed to use new cards. Pedro glares triumphantly as the cards are dealt.
Oh my the suspense is building as the men play, the cymbals crash and the drums thunder. Gagorio has a full house with aces and kings. Naturally he assumes he’s won. But our Pedro is a very cool player and his face gives nothing away. Antonio’s freaking as Pedro shows his hand..four queens! Pedro pops up and says they all saw, he won El Talisman. Here comes the best part. He smiles and says “We’re going to be neighbors. Happy birthday.” Ooh, Eddie Munster looks so pissed off!
Estumble leaves the house a beaten man. Of course Camila is outside waiting, she sees his face and begs, “What did you do?” They hug and sob as Lucrezia sluttily watches. What is that girl wearing on her feet?
Inside things are not going smoothly. Gag is yelling and Pedro says he won Mariana’s ranch back so she can reclaim her place as the owner of the ranch. Everything will be as it should except that Mariana is sick and it’s all Gagorio’s fault. Gag angrily vows to get back at Pedro and Mariana. Man, these guys are all rotten losers.
Mariana is wandering around her apartment acting all disoriented. She sees her babysitter Margarito who says Pedro will be back soon. She doesn’t seem to know who either men are. “Why can’t I remember anything?” she wails.
Back at the casino lots of yelling is still going on. Las Cucarachas Negrete kick Pedro out. Lucrezia comes in and she’s clearly happy about her new neighbor. Gagorio goes outside to insult Esteban, laugh at him and tell him he’s full of crap. Esteban is wailing for mercy, a place to stay, wah boo hoo. Pedro tries to calm Estupido down and when Estupido starts giving him a hard time about throwing them off the ranch Pedro tells him he should have thought about his assets before he bet them in a poker game. But Pedro is the good guy remember? He actually tells Esteban that he’ll give him money for El Tal so Esteban can buy another ranch. How can he do that? Is the raisin business that lucrative?
Camila and Tracy get home and tell Armando that dad lost everything in a poker game. Like father like son, he says maybe they can win it back in another game of poker. Uh, no.
Pedro gives Esteban a check to cover current expenses. He says he’ll give the balance to Elvira, not Esteban. Esteban tries to reassure Pedro that he’s trustworthy, his wife doesn’t love him, blah blah blah. Pedro points out Esteban is drunk, the money goes to Elvira.
Gagorio goes back inside and pitches a fit. Looks like the party’s over. Who cares, it sucked anyway. Lucrezia tells Antonio she’s happy Pedro’s going to be their neighbor. She plans to jump his bones. Antonio gets mad and starts roughing her up but she shakes him off. Pedro’s going to be hers!
Pedro goes home and tells Margarito he’s the new owner of El Talisman, then tells the convoluted tale of how he ended up with the rancho. Now he and Mariana are going back to El Tal so she can recover from her illness. “And Camila?” wonders Margarito. Pedro says Camila and her family can buy another rancho, hopefully far away and maybe she’ll never know he’s married.
Esteban arrives home, a failure as a father, a husband, and as a man. Armando and Camila get on his case and he tells them to chill, mom will take care of them. Dad’s not important any more. Who was it predicted suicide? Estumble makes his way upstairs while Armando has a tantrum.
Upstairs Esteban recalls the worst moments of the night and Elvira’s cruel words to him. He cries that he can’t bear to be abandoned by Elvira. (Why not? She’s a bitch.) Uh oh, he stares at his nightstand and hears all the accusing voices raging in his head. He opens a drawer and pulls out a gun. Dude, not in the house! He puts it to his head and...Camila knocks on the door and asks for papa. “Papa, are you there? What are you doing? Are you OK?” He points at his head and...
That’s all for tonight folks. Advances show that Esteban might wait for Elvira to get home before he offs himself.
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Great job Sylvia! I love the recap.
Where o where shall I start to snark? Let's start with the lovely Lucrezia. The actress only has one look, but she does it well--slutty. She looks at her brother, Pedro and tonight Camila with exactly the same come-hither-while- I --twist -my -long blonde locks- around- my -finger-invitation.
I rather like Diaz as pure, bratty, brooding evil. He is actually quite hate-able.
Pedro is great looking but dumb as a bag of rocks. Someone also get a tailor sent from San Francisco to take in his clothes.
Elvira could have found Saks, Bloomies, Needless and more in California without going to Nueva York.
I don't think Estupido will pull the trigger. Elvira hasn't had a chance yet to give him a beat down and waiting for that confrontation is lending some mild dramatic possibilities to
tomorrow's epi.
Sylvia, I think we must assume that Pedro get's super premium prices for his raisins in order to buy las Nejeras a house. Haven't you seen the El Talisman raisins at Whole Foods?
EJ
Where o where shall I start to snark? Let's start with the lovely Lucrezia. The actress only has one look, but she does it well--slutty. She looks at her brother, Pedro and tonight Camila with exactly the same come-hither-while- I --twist -my -long blonde locks- around- my -finger-invitation.
I rather like Diaz as pure, bratty, brooding evil. He is actually quite hate-able.
Pedro is great looking but dumb as a bag of rocks. Someone also get a tailor sent from San Francisco to take in his clothes.
Elvira could have found Saks, Bloomies, Needless and more in California without going to Nueva York.
I don't think Estupido will pull the trigger. Elvira hasn't had a chance yet to give him a beat down and waiting for that confrontation is lending some mild dramatic possibilities to
tomorrow's epi.
Sylvia, I think we must assume that Pedro get's super premium prices for his raisins in order to buy las Nejeras a house. Haven't you seen the El Talisman raisins at Whole Foods?
EJ
EJ, I've got to admit I had fun with this one. However I'm not a gambler nor a card player so the gaming details were a bit over my head.
I have a feeling Aaron Diaz might be the shining star in this one. Time will tell.
Pedro - I'm hoping he'll shape up to be less dumb than he seems. Tonight gave me hope. He played Gregorio masterfully.
I think the Gargoyle sent Elvira to NY to get her far away from Fresno. If she'd been in SF she might conceivably have been able to get home in time to stop her husband from losing the ranch.
I'll be looking for Pedro's big, plump, organic raisins next time I'm at Whole Foods!
I have a feeling Aaron Diaz might be the shining star in this one. Time will tell.
Pedro - I'm hoping he'll shape up to be less dumb than he seems. Tonight gave me hope. He played Gregorio masterfully.
I think the Gargoyle sent Elvira to NY to get her far away from Fresno. If she'd been in SF she might conceivably have been able to get home in time to stop her husband from losing the ranch.
I'll be looking for Pedro's big, plump, organic raisins next time I'm at Whole Foods!
Good work, Sylvia; gracias.
Gregorio definitely wanted Elvira out of the way during the game. As to Elvira, she should have forced Esteban to get treatment for his addiction... or divorced him over it.
Nobody seemed to notice that the cards were marked.
As to Lucrezia I can't stand women who are in love with their perceived hotness.
Gregorio definitely wanted Elvira out of the way during the game. As to Elvira, she should have forced Esteban to get treatment for his addiction... or divorced him over it.
Nobody seemed to notice that the cards were marked.
As to Lucrezia I can't stand women who are in love with their perceived hotness.
Sylvia: Simply spectacular! What a perfect title. This was delightful from beginning to end: "full troglodyte mod""(Good, I’d rather wash my wool sweaters and iron cotton shirts than go to his smelly party" (amen sister), "posturing and sputtering" and "Pedro’s not as dumb as he looks sometimes" and "Esteban arrives home, a failure as a father, a husband, and as a man" were but a few of my favorites. Your writing style is inspired.
So, will Esteban do it? As tired as I am of his weakness, wining and sniveling (among other loathsome traits), I feel for Camila if he should die. Buck up man and get a grip.
I think the actress playing Mariana is doing a stellar job. Conversely, Pedro does nothing for me. Elna June: "I rather like Diaz as pure, bratty, brooding evil. He is actually quite hate-able". ITA -this was a role he was born to play. Who knew?
I'm still trying to figure out all the characters so can't comment further except to say thank you again Sylvia.
Happy Friday all!
Diana
So, will Esteban do it? As tired as I am of his weakness, wining and sniveling (among other loathsome traits), I feel for Camila if he should die. Buck up man and get a grip.
I think the actress playing Mariana is doing a stellar job. Conversely, Pedro does nothing for me. Elna June: "I rather like Diaz as pure, bratty, brooding evil. He is actually quite hate-able". ITA -this was a role he was born to play. Who knew?
I'm still trying to figure out all the characters so can't comment further except to say thank you again Sylvia.
Happy Friday all!
Diana
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: Friday, February 3, 2012 at 7:16:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 3, 2012 at 7:16:00 AM EST
Oh Sylvia. I have not watched the episode yet and I'm afraid the real thing will not to live up to the recap.
*"Beats himself daily with the stupid stick"
*Estupido, Estubborn and the classic Estumble
*Hot Eddie Munster (srsly, you NAILED that apodo.)
Again, I am so lukewarm about this one, but the recappers and other folks are the true gems I'd hate to miss this party.
*"Beats himself daily with the stupid stick"
*Estupido, Estubborn and the classic Estumble
*Hot Eddie Munster (srsly, you NAILED that apodo.)
Again, I am so lukewarm about this one, but the recappers and other folks are the true gems I'd hate to miss this party.
Sylvia- I am still chuckling at all your nicknames for Esteban. :) Wonderful recap!
Lucrezia's outfit was something else. High heeled sneakers, and daisy dukes cut so high up that you can see the pockets hanging below the hem!
I think Pedro is giving Estupid the money Mariana's dad left them-- the money he was gambling with. It was his best friend that told him about the casino party. He and Tracy seem to be really good about getting the gossip from the two ranches-- I think the servants talk to each other.
Lucrezia's outfit was something else. High heeled sneakers, and daisy dukes cut so high up that you can see the pockets hanging below the hem!
I think Pedro is giving Estupid the money Mariana's dad left them-- the money he was gambling with. It was his best friend that told him about the casino party. He and Tracy seem to be really good about getting the gossip from the two ranches-- I think the servants talk to each other.
Not a word about Antonio's "I'll cut you, man!" look when Pedro won ET from Don Bombastico? For shame, Sylvia. :)
Lucrecia running around in short-shorts is bad enough (and this from a guy who's actually bemoaning the lack of leg porn in this show), but combined with the shoes...can we just call her Daisy Do-Me?
As for (the ballad of el) Estupido: is he really necessary now from a narrative standpoint? He's lost two of the family homes now due to his gambling, his wife is all up in Dark Emeril's grill--and there isn't anybody else around for him to hook up with after he gets his act together. Then again, I suppose he could simply play counselor for Camila for a while after Elvira gets her hypocritical rant on...
Lucrecia running around in short-shorts is bad enough (and this from a guy who's actually bemoaning the lack of leg porn in this show), but combined with the shoes...can we just call her Daisy Do-Me?
As for (the ballad of el) Estupido: is he really necessary now from a narrative standpoint? He's lost two of the family homes now due to his gambling, his wife is all up in Dark Emeril's grill--and there isn't anybody else around for him to hook up with after he gets his act together. Then again, I suppose he could simply play counselor for Camila for a while after Elvira gets her hypocritical rant on...
Sylvia! Too funny! My favorites were "incredibly hot Eddie Munster" and "Lucrezia sluttily watches." Truly, that girl does EVERYTHING sluttily. She even does nothing sluttily.
And I think Vivi's right -- the money that Pedro has is the money Don Terminal got for selling El Talisman to the Najeras, so in essence he's really just buying it back.
And I think Vivi's right -- the money that Pedro has is the money Don Terminal got for selling El Talisman to the Najeras, so in essence he's really just buying it back.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 3, 2012 at 9:32:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 3, 2012 at 9:32:00 AM EST
Why doesn't Pedro give the money to Camila (instead of her mother), and use the opportunity to have a LONG talk with her? I know, I know. Silly question. It would be too easy and uncomplicate things too quickly. It just seems like his life is getting MORE complicated each episode, and his plan to separate himself from Camila isn't working very well. He must know that she's going to come looking for answers when she finds out he's the one who won ElT.
Good job bringin' on the raisin jokes! I love your recap! I haven't watched the ep yet, and must admit to looking more forward to the re-cap than the actual show.
The Pigorio nicknames are funny, as well as anything "that starts with Est". I can't wait to see Slutty (I feel I can throw that word out there now if EJ uses it too) Lucrecia's slutty outfit.
Your "the suspense is killing me" quip was hilarious.
Thanks for a nice start to the day. Even funner than reading the obits, and I love reading the obits.
Rosemary la Otra
The Pigorio nicknames are funny, as well as anything "that starts with Est". I can't wait to see Slutty (I feel I can throw that word out there now if EJ uses it too) Lucrecia's slutty outfit.
Your "the suspense is killing me" quip was hilarious.
Thanks for a nice start to the day. Even funner than reading the obits, and I love reading the obits.
Rosemary la Otra
Great recap, Sylvia.
With last night's episode followed by your elegant version of what happened, I'm glad I didn't follow my initial impulse to jump ship after Tues.'s unforgivable horrific violent turn (I'm trusting that those responsible have been properly punished). There really is a lot to love here.
First my one small quibble with your retelling:
"Lucrezia, wearing the ugliest outfit ever..."
Really? Were we looking at the same outfit?
What a wonderfully cheezy party. It looks as though they borrowed folding chairs from the KC Hall.
So if the poker game was for the 2 ranches, why bother with chips and the pretense of preliminary betting? Deal the cards!
Pedro asking for fresh deck of cards... smart (I'll bet that Steve wishes that he'd thought of that).
Pedro betting enough money to buy a ranch (not to mention that it wasn't his money)... not so smart... being cool and pretty doesn't necessarily make one lucky... gambling still means...
What a selfish man Steve is... he's all set to make a huge mess for ET's new owner to have to clean up... Take it outside.
Still lovin' Tracy... what a breath of fresh air.
Carlos
With last night's episode followed by your elegant version of what happened, I'm glad I didn't follow my initial impulse to jump ship after Tues.'s unforgivable horrific violent turn (I'm trusting that those responsible have been properly punished). There really is a lot to love here.
First my one small quibble with your retelling:
"Lucrezia, wearing the ugliest outfit ever..."
Really? Were we looking at the same outfit?
What a wonderfully cheezy party. It looks as though they borrowed folding chairs from the KC Hall.
So if the poker game was for the 2 ranches, why bother with chips and the pretense of preliminary betting? Deal the cards!
Pedro asking for fresh deck of cards... smart (I'll bet that Steve wishes that he'd thought of that).
Pedro betting enough money to buy a ranch (not to mention that it wasn't his money)... not so smart... being cool and pretty doesn't necessarily make one lucky... gambling still means...
What a selfish man Steve is... he's all set to make a huge mess for ET's new owner to have to clean up... Take it outside.
Still lovin' Tracy... what a breath of fresh air.
Carlos
Can't these people call Century 21 or Remax and buy a ranch?
Lucrezia's Dazey Dukes were too much. They would have been fine without the pockets. With the pockets, they just looked trashy. It's a wonder Gregorio didn't tell her to cover up.
Antonio's belt buckle, pimp daddy chain and open t-shirt is a real sleazy turn off. Yuk! He looks like the 2012 version of some 50s Fonzie replica. LOL
Lucrezia's Dazey Dukes were too much. They would have been fine without the pockets. With the pockets, they just looked trashy. It's a wonder Gregorio didn't tell her to cover up.
Antonio's belt buckle, pimp daddy chain and open t-shirt is a real sleazy turn off. Yuk! He looks like the 2012 version of some 50s Fonzie replica. LOL
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 3, 2012 at 10:09:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 3, 2012 at 10:09:00 AM EST
Oooh Sylvia, I love your title! And so fitting for our dumb bunny, Esteban (aka Estúpido, Estubborn, Estumble)
Just a few of my favorite lines --
“... I’d rather wash my wool sweaters and iron cotton shirts than go to his smelly party.”
“...The expected posturing and sputtering ensue.”
“Antonio, looking like an incredibly hot Eddie Munster...”
“They hug and sob as Lucrezia sluttily watches. What is that girl wearing on her feet?” [I say high-heeled sneakers!]
“He cries that he can’t bear to be abandoned by Elvira. (Why not? She’s a bitch.)”
And now we get to snark about juicy plump raisins too.
Look in the updated edition of the Dictionary of American Slang for the expression “so bad it’s good” – they’ve just added a little photo of El Talismán. Seriously.
Just a few of my favorite lines --
“... I’d rather wash my wool sweaters and iron cotton shirts than go to his smelly party.”
“...The expected posturing and sputtering ensue.”
“Antonio, looking like an incredibly hot Eddie Munster...”
“They hug and sob as Lucrezia sluttily watches. What is that girl wearing on her feet?” [I say high-heeled sneakers!]
“He cries that he can’t bear to be abandoned by Elvira. (Why not? She’s a bitch.)”
And now we get to snark about juicy plump raisins too.
Look in the updated edition of the Dictionary of American Slang for the expression “so bad it’s good” – they’ve just added a little photo of El Talismán. Seriously.
Wow, look at all the comments! You guys were busy while I was sleeping in this morning.
Vivi, of course Margarito and Tracy are talking with their counterparts at El Alcatraz. That makes so much sense, why didn't I think of it last night?
Bill, Daisy Do-Me...I love it! That's who she is all right. Gah, high heeled sneakers indeed, they were awful. I was also thinking at the end of last night's episode that Esteban has now become the dreaded Inconvenient Character.
True, Pedro has Don Bernardo's ranch money, but he's still a very nice guy to completely buy the ranch back. He must be some good poker player, we didn't even see him praying to the Virgin beforehand. And I agree with Vivi, why not give the money to Camila? OK, I'm reminding myself that Pedro is a FOOLISH hero.
Blue Lass, hee hee, you are so right, Lucrezia even does nothing sluttily.
Novela Maven, I think a picture of El Talisman would really have to be the poster child for "so bad it's good".
Vivi, of course Margarito and Tracy are talking with their counterparts at El Alcatraz. That makes so much sense, why didn't I think of it last night?
Bill, Daisy Do-Me...I love it! That's who she is all right. Gah, high heeled sneakers indeed, they were awful. I was also thinking at the end of last night's episode that Esteban has now become the dreaded Inconvenient Character.
True, Pedro has Don Bernardo's ranch money, but he's still a very nice guy to completely buy the ranch back. He must be some good poker player, we didn't even see him praying to the Virgin beforehand. And I agree with Vivi, why not give the money to Camila? OK, I'm reminding myself that Pedro is a FOOLISH hero.
Blue Lass, hee hee, you are so right, Lucrezia even does nothing sluttily.
Novela Maven, I think a picture of El Talisman would really have to be the poster child for "so bad it's good".
Carlos, I knew I could count on you to put in your 2 pesos regarding Lucrezia's outfit. She's got phenomenal legs. So does Blanca Soto. Her LONG legs in those black leggings or pants and white sweater looked amazing on her.
Anon27, you're cracking me up with your fashion comments. Lu's pockets really did add to the whole, um, "look" shall we say? And although I can't disagree with your observations on Antonio's outfit, I wouldn't exactly say that for me it was a compete turn-off. I like EJ's description that he is "pure, bratty, brooding evil." I'm glad to see that a number of us are enjoying Diaz in this role. He seems to be having a ball.
Bill, I couldn't really define Tony's look at the time, but "I'll cut you man" is perfect. I'm looking forward to watching the two rutting rams Tony and Pedro butt heads.
R la O, I like to read the obits too! Sometimes you can find amazing gems there.
Sara, you should really watch some of last night's scenes. Who called this one pure Camembert? You can fast forward through all the non-suspenseful build-up at the party and just watch the good bits.
Urban A, maybe EJ can comment on why someone like Elvira would prefer to stay with a loser and harangue him than actually work to help him improve his and his family's life. ITA with you, get him help or divorce him.
Diana and Carlos, I was horrified that Esteban was about to off himself 1) with Camila right outside the door, and 2) inside the house, what a mess. Well, it looks like he's going to wait until Elvira gets home to further tangle their twisted relationship.
EJ, now that Pedro is an actual owner can we look forward to some spiffier duds for him? I hope so!! But no big belt buckles please.
Anon27, you're cracking me up with your fashion comments. Lu's pockets really did add to the whole, um, "look" shall we say? And although I can't disagree with your observations on Antonio's outfit, I wouldn't exactly say that for me it was a compete turn-off. I like EJ's description that he is "pure, bratty, brooding evil." I'm glad to see that a number of us are enjoying Diaz in this role. He seems to be having a ball.
Bill, I couldn't really define Tony's look at the time, but "I'll cut you man" is perfect. I'm looking forward to watching the two rutting rams Tony and Pedro butt heads.
R la O, I like to read the obits too! Sometimes you can find amazing gems there.
Sara, you should really watch some of last night's scenes. Who called this one pure Camembert? You can fast forward through all the non-suspenseful build-up at the party and just watch the good bits.
Urban A, maybe EJ can comment on why someone like Elvira would prefer to stay with a loser and harangue him than actually work to help him improve his and his family's life. ITA with you, get him help or divorce him.
Diana and Carlos, I was horrified that Esteban was about to off himself 1) with Camila right outside the door, and 2) inside the house, what a mess. Well, it looks like he's going to wait until Elvira gets home to further tangle their twisted relationship.
EJ, now that Pedro is an actual owner can we look forward to some spiffier duds for him? I hope so!! But no big belt buckles please.
Snarking aside, loved your recap, Sylvia--you brought suspense to new heights (or depths).
The comments are cranking up the snark engine. All so deliciously on the mark.
KC folding chairs, indeed. The place looked like the set of a saloon in the old West for a B flick (as in a movie company with no financial backing). With Don Gago's money he could have thrown himself a real Casino Night, with all kinds of ladies in Dazey Doos plying cigars, cigarettes and more.
I noticed that no one was really playing except at the middle round table and then only Estupidoban, with a Anti-onio thrown in for a third once.
Elvira was too much. Can we really believe that she was just making nice to figure out what was going on in Alcatraz (what an apt name)? Servants are much better at it--they can go through drawers, listen in on phone conversations, watch and hear things going on behind doors left slightly ajar.
What role does Doris play in all this? Why did Anti-onio marry her? Will we find out? She's not bad looking and knows how to show her legs through her see-thru black dress. Too bad she wasn't invited to the party. Maybe she has something going on with Daddy-I-L and the two kids are his?
UyUy, this is all so bad--it's going to be good for all of us. We need a good snarky affair after Triumfo de Whatever it really Was.
Anita
The comments are cranking up the snark engine. All so deliciously on the mark.
KC folding chairs, indeed. The place looked like the set of a saloon in the old West for a B flick (as in a movie company with no financial backing). With Don Gago's money he could have thrown himself a real Casino Night, with all kinds of ladies in Dazey Doos plying cigars, cigarettes and more.
I noticed that no one was really playing except at the middle round table and then only Estupidoban, with a Anti-onio thrown in for a third once.
Elvira was too much. Can we really believe that she was just making nice to figure out what was going on in Alcatraz (what an apt name)? Servants are much better at it--they can go through drawers, listen in on phone conversations, watch and hear things going on behind doors left slightly ajar.
What role does Doris play in all this? Why did Anti-onio marry her? Will we find out? She's not bad looking and knows how to show her legs through her see-thru black dress. Too bad she wasn't invited to the party. Maybe she has something going on with Daddy-I-L and the two kids are his?
UyUy, this is all so bad--it's going to be good for all of us. We need a good snarky affair after Triumfo de Whatever it really Was.
Anita
Oh and where did Pedro learn to play poker and hone his gambling skills?
He was raised in an orphanage, for pity's sake--where you are taught that gambling is a pecado; left at age 35 (jaja) to go to el otro lado to earn money honestly to send back to his dear little monjas; not a year later he is capataz of El Talisman--presumably working from dawn til dusk.
He doesn't even look like the type that would go carousing on weekends.
The top-knot on my Emilia-made beanie has been twisted as tight as it can go and we're only at day 4?
Anita
He was raised in an orphanage, for pity's sake--where you are taught that gambling is a pecado; left at age 35 (jaja) to go to el otro lado to earn money honestly to send back to his dear little monjas; not a year later he is capataz of El Talisman--presumably working from dawn til dusk.
He doesn't even look like the type that would go carousing on weekends.
The top-knot on my Emilia-made beanie has been twisted as tight as it can go and we're only at day 4?
Anita
If it weren't for the recapper's efforts my interest in this TN would be unravelling faster than Lucrecia's erstwhile jeans. Thanks for a great recap Sylvia. Much more interesting than the actual episode, and full of your wonderful wit.
I think some of you are being too hard on Lucrezia. Who's to say that dangling pockets won't be the new "in" look. She may just be ahead of her time. The podiatrists of the world must be making lots of money off of women wearing those high heels - great for generating ankle sprains.
Does Armando actually do anything, or does he just hang around using up oxygen in a family that already acts hypoxic enough? Maybe he could start a roadside raisen stand to help family finances.
For her sake, I hope Gregorip sent Elvira out to NYC with gift cards or cash, rather than something he can cancel. Wonder what she bought? Something with dangling pockets, perhaps?
Estupido is going to splatter his unused brains all over his unused wedding bed? I agree with Carlos; take it outside or do it with pills.
My word verification is "comangst." Yeah, let the angst come, as I'm sure it will.
David
I think some of you are being too hard on Lucrezia. Who's to say that dangling pockets won't be the new "in" look. She may just be ahead of her time. The podiatrists of the world must be making lots of money off of women wearing those high heels - great for generating ankle sprains.
Does Armando actually do anything, or does he just hang around using up oxygen in a family that already acts hypoxic enough? Maybe he could start a roadside raisen stand to help family finances.
For her sake, I hope Gregorip sent Elvira out to NYC with gift cards or cash, rather than something he can cancel. Wonder what she bought? Something with dangling pockets, perhaps?
Estupido is going to splatter his unused brains all over his unused wedding bed? I agree with Carlos; take it outside or do it with pills.
My word verification is "comangst." Yeah, let the angst come, as I'm sure it will.
David
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 3, 2012 at 12:06:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 3, 2012 at 12:06:00 PM EST
Thank you so much for wonderful recap.
I had to turn off the tv last night, after the looonnnggg scenes in the gambling den, Gagorio came back into the room and yelled I will own the Talisman. Well to me it looked like he was sashaying down a runway snapping his fingers saying "you go girl". I found that so funny I could not watch what was a dramatic episode.
I love the Pedro character, can't wait to see the clash between him and Diaz' character.
I had to turn off the tv last night, after the looonnnggg scenes in the gambling den, Gagorio came back into the room and yelled I will own the Talisman. Well to me it looked like he was sashaying down a runway snapping his fingers saying "you go girl". I found that so funny I could not watch what was a dramatic episode.
I love the Pedro character, can't wait to see the clash between him and Diaz' character.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 3, 2012 at 12:13:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 3, 2012 at 12:13:00 PM EST
Great recap, Sylvia!
Vivi, I also thought Pedro should pay the money to Camila. She is an adult, after all. Giving it to Elvira is just asking for trouble (although Esteban isn't any better).
It appeared to me that the check Pedro used to bet in the game was the same as the one he gave to Esteban. I'm pretty sure it said Ten thousand Dollars. This is enough for expenses, but not for betting ranch. But it didn't seem any of those astute gentlemen gamblers bothered to even look at the check.
It's true that if Esteban bought El Talisman from Bernardo, Mariana would inherit the money. But that doesn't mean it's Pedro's to write checks from. I think the $10,000 is his own savings (I think he said it's all he had in the world), and he's going to work to make the rest of the payments on the ranch. This could take years.
I enjoyed Lucrezia's high heeled sneakers.
Vivi, I also thought Pedro should pay the money to Camila. She is an adult, after all. Giving it to Elvira is just asking for trouble (although Esteban isn't any better).
It appeared to me that the check Pedro used to bet in the game was the same as the one he gave to Esteban. I'm pretty sure it said Ten thousand Dollars. This is enough for expenses, but not for betting ranch. But it didn't seem any of those astute gentlemen gamblers bothered to even look at the check.
It's true that if Esteban bought El Talisman from Bernardo, Mariana would inherit the money. But that doesn't mean it's Pedro's to write checks from. I think the $10,000 is his own savings (I think he said it's all he had in the world), and he's going to work to make the rest of the payments on the ranch. This could take years.
I enjoyed Lucrezia's high heeled sneakers.
BTW, I agree with Carlos that the card game was ridiculous. What were they doing pushing in chips, when they were betting the ranch? And at one point in the last hand, it showed Gagorio with a 3-4-5-6-7 straight, and Pedro with a 9-10-J-Q-K straight. Then they discarded some cards! Also, even if cards are marked, it's not so easy to get the full house the Gagorio got the first time. Please! But it was definitely amusing to watch them fake their way through all of that.
sylvia, maybe the 'D' is for dumbest guy in town...
loved the eddie munster reference.
on to reading more of this fabulous recap.
loved the eddie munster reference.
on to reading more of this fabulous recap.
Guau Sylvia! I watched the show and then re-read your re-cap and LOL'd even more the second time. You point out the funniest things that I would not normally pick up, like Antonio looking like a hot Eddie Munster. It's funny to read, and then even funnier when you see it!!
I am trying to think Antonio/Aaron is hot, but other than that sanitarium bench picture in People espanol, I haven't been exposed to him. So this introduction is not turning me on at all. He's just creepy.
In an effort to separate Aaron from Antonio I think of how kindly his ex M-I-L spoke of him in that People article. How many ex M-I-L's could do that? Certainly not Abuela when talking about Esteban.
I don't know, David, those cutoffs with dangling pockets seem to be "in" every year during SLC's Pride Festival. Maybe THAT is where it started. I am sure Lucrecia would attempt to hit on those guys too. Anything that dangles.
Lucrecia's little flirty, slutty, suggestive moves whenever she talks to her brother is just sick and repulsive.
For the first time since it began I am really looking forward to the next episode. I think the poker party sucked me in. Party, wedding, funeral, street festival episodes are the best and they played Casino Night well. Estupido walking around like BMOC apologizing to everyone for winning so much, Antonio panicking over the new deck of cards, Pedro being Pedro. What a fun night to watch... up until the gun to the head scene, of course.
R la O
I am trying to think Antonio/Aaron is hot, but other than that sanitarium bench picture in People espanol, I haven't been exposed to him. So this introduction is not turning me on at all. He's just creepy.
In an effort to separate Aaron from Antonio I think of how kindly his ex M-I-L spoke of him in that People article. How many ex M-I-L's could do that? Certainly not Abuela when talking about Esteban.
I don't know, David, those cutoffs with dangling pockets seem to be "in" every year during SLC's Pride Festival. Maybe THAT is where it started. I am sure Lucrecia would attempt to hit on those guys too. Anything that dangles.
Lucrecia's little flirty, slutty, suggestive moves whenever she talks to her brother is just sick and repulsive.
For the first time since it began I am really looking forward to the next episode. I think the poker party sucked me in. Party, wedding, funeral, street festival episodes are the best and they played Casino Night well. Estupido walking around like BMOC apologizing to everyone for winning so much, Antonio panicking over the new deck of cards, Pedro being Pedro. What a fun night to watch... up until the gun to the head scene, of course.
R la O
Hombre and others, thank you for the clarification on the card game. Even though I do not gamble or play cards even I wondered what the chips were doing on the table. Sorry about not being a bit more astute about the poker hands, but I knew some of you commenters would set us straight in that regard.
Hombre, yes I believe Estupido balked at the wee amount of 10K. Thanks for clarifying that Pedro said it was all he had in the world. Like you say, not sure how that check managed to allow him in on the betting but whatever. The guy must do a good bluff.
Since Pedro is married to Mariana and she is currently non compos mentis I assume he is in full charge of all the finances. He's a good guy so will hopefully watch out for her interests. However I keep having these visions of her wandering around the ranch in a daze. I'm not sure going back to El Tal will be good for her. Will she re-fall in love with Antonio every time she sees him? Interesting thought.
Anita, now you're thinking too hard about Pedro's keen gambling skills. Maybe he and Margarito spent their off days at the Chuckchansi Casino? Doris and Gagorio? EWWWW, I like how your mind works. If the two little girls have one gigantic eyebrow each then we'll know for sure.
David, roadside raisin stand, LOL!! So far Armando is pathetic. I like how some of you men are sticking up for Lucrezia's fashion (non)sense. I'm trying to imagine the actress's face when wardrobe pulled out her outfit.
Nellie, I predict a lot of hot glaring between Pedro and Antonio. Bring it on. I couldn't believe how sexy Pedro's voice was, even when he was tormenting Gagorio with "Happy Birthday". Now would somebody just dress him in better clothes?
Nellie,
Hombre, yes I believe Estupido balked at the wee amount of 10K. Thanks for clarifying that Pedro said it was all he had in the world. Like you say, not sure how that check managed to allow him in on the betting but whatever. The guy must do a good bluff.
Since Pedro is married to Mariana and she is currently non compos mentis I assume he is in full charge of all the finances. He's a good guy so will hopefully watch out for her interests. However I keep having these visions of her wandering around the ranch in a daze. I'm not sure going back to El Tal will be good for her. Will she re-fall in love with Antonio every time she sees him? Interesting thought.
Anita, now you're thinking too hard about Pedro's keen gambling skills. Maybe he and Margarito spent their off days at the Chuckchansi Casino? Doris and Gagorio? EWWWW, I like how your mind works. If the two little girls have one gigantic eyebrow each then we'll know for sure.
David, roadside raisin stand, LOL!! So far Armando is pathetic. I like how some of you men are sticking up for Lucrezia's fashion (non)sense. I'm trying to imagine the actress's face when wardrobe pulled out her outfit.
Nellie, I predict a lot of hot glaring between Pedro and Antonio. Bring it on. I couldn't believe how sexy Pedro's voice was, even when he was tormenting Gagorio with "Happy Birthday". Now would somebody just dress him in better clothes?
Nellie,
Oh man, this guy must beat himself daily with the stupid stick.
Oh hey look, Antonio is there. Where has he been all night?
(isn't it obvious? rolling some of his Old spice in the hay stack)
Here comes the best part. He smiles and says “We’re going to be neighbors. Happy birthday.” (I was ready for him to say 'si o si? Hoo hah!!"
Oh hey look, Antonio is there. Where has he been all night?
(isn't it obvious? rolling some of his Old spice in the hay stack)
Here comes the best part. He smiles and says “We’re going to be neighbors. Happy birthday.” (I was ready for him to say 'si o si? Hoo hah!!"
EJ:
Haven't you seen the El Talisman raisins at Whole Foods?
LOL!!! priceless~!
if i heard correctly the check was for $10 Million!! so how much is El T worth?? for Estupido to say it is nowhere near enough for him to move on with...
when Pedro walked in, he said it was enough to buy a ranch with that money, so are ElT and ElA the ROLLS ROYCE of ranches out there in California?
Haven't you seen the El Talisman raisins at Whole Foods?
LOL!!! priceless~!
if i heard correctly the check was for $10 Million!! so how much is El T worth?? for Estupido to say it is nowhere near enough for him to move on with...
when Pedro walked in, he said it was enough to buy a ranch with that money, so are ElT and ElA the ROLLS ROYCE of ranches out there in California?
Rosemary. pigorio.. i like it!
NMaven, loved the idea of the picture of ElT on the slang dictionary..
carlos.. .right on the money with the mess Estupido would create for the new owner to clean
ok so if the check was only for 10K, why did Pedro say it was enough to buy a ranch with when he put it on the poker table?
did he have two checks at hand? one for Mariana's money and one for his own savings? maybe the one he gave Estupido was indeed only $10K
I too am looking forward to the confrontations between Pedro and OSG.
Totally agree that Tracy is a breath of fresh air, Carlos!
NMaven, loved the idea of the picture of ElT on the slang dictionary..
carlos.. .right on the money with the mess Estupido would create for the new owner to clean
ok so if the check was only for 10K, why did Pedro say it was enough to buy a ranch with when he put it on the poker table?
did he have two checks at hand? one for Mariana's money and one for his own savings? maybe the one he gave Estupido was indeed only $10K
I too am looking forward to the confrontations between Pedro and OSG.
Totally agree that Tracy is a breath of fresh air, Carlos!
Is it ok to admit that I wore shorts with the pockets hanging out?? About 100 years ago, when I was a skinny (stupid) teenager. Also, miniskirts with white shirts that were longer than the skirt hem... Ah youth. NO high heeled sneakers, though.
Sylvia, thanks for your masterful recap. Loved the title! and the snark. This has to rank up there as worst TN ever, and we're only on Ep#4. Guau!
To me, Antonio looks like so many remembered high school bullies. I don't see anything sexy or handsome about him at all.
Pedro, another clueless galan. Noble, but dumb. Why is it necessary to 'protect' women from the truth? Oh yeah, so we can have a TN.... beanie, beanie...
Sylvia, thanks for your masterful recap. Loved the title! and the snark. This has to rank up there as worst TN ever, and we're only on Ep#4. Guau!
To me, Antonio looks like so many remembered high school bullies. I don't see anything sexy or handsome about him at all.
Pedro, another clueless galan. Noble, but dumb. Why is it necessary to 'protect' women from the truth? Oh yeah, so we can have a TN.... beanie, beanie...
R la O, Diaz's MIL spoke well of him? How sweet. Apparently he spent a good bit of time going to school in my area. How come I never ran into him? I think I would have noticed.
Marta, I just re-watched the scene where Pedro showed Esteban the check and something doesn't make sense. It sounded like Esteban said 10 MILLION but yet then they discussed that it was only enough money to hold Esteban together until Pedro could give Elvira another check. Even 10K is a lot for an interim allowance. Oh well, like Emilia says, adjust the beanie and move on.
OK, I just did a real quick check of ranches for sale in the Fresno area. It looks like a big ranch with nice house can run up to about 3 million, but there are others much less expensive. The working ranch crops seem to be mostly citrus, almond and grapes.
Marta, I just re-watched the scene where Pedro showed Esteban the check and something doesn't make sense. It sounded like Esteban said 10 MILLION but yet then they discussed that it was only enough money to hold Esteban together until Pedro could give Elvira another check. Even 10K is a lot for an interim allowance. Oh well, like Emilia says, adjust the beanie and move on.
OK, I just did a real quick check of ranches for sale in the Fresno area. It looks like a big ranch with nice house can run up to about 3 million, but there are others much less expensive. The working ranch crops seem to be mostly citrus, almond and grapes.
Sylvia:
Not only did you do a fab recap but your wit and writing skills elicited the wonderful comments that keep me here at Caray. In terms of the blogosphere it doesn't get any better than that.
What fun.
My favs comments today:
UA-"As to Lucrezia I can't stand women who are in love with their perceived hotness." O well said, UA. I think this applies equally to Vanesa over on LQNPA.
Diana: Best acting on the show is for sure Mariana. I do worry about her furthering her brain injury by hitting herself in the head.
Bill C: "I'll cut you man," look. Love your turn of phrase! ITA that Esteban has written himself out of the "plot".
Sara, you may have to hang around just for the comments. Wonderful bunch, this is.
Vivi, could Pedro set himself up any better to be misunderstood and ill-perceived?
Carlos: "There really is a lot to love here." On the pure schlock scale I think we have a strong nine. We have already seen that the producers will do anything for ratings so we are forewarned. From now on when the going gets ugly I will just FF and gripe later.
Blue Lass,"Truly, that girl does EVERYTHING sluttily. She even does nothing sluttily." You had me LOL.
R la O, so glad to see you. Even if you can't stand watching, read the blog and comments and weep. Smile. Funny about that 'pockets' thing and your Pride Parade. I am used to seeing a little more plaid, big "super" key chains and ugly sensible shoes out here at our versions. The "Daisy-Duke-me" (thanks, Bill C.) look is new to me. Do you see it on men or women? Actually, hmmm, I could see that style on RuPaul if s/he were slumming. I'm just sayin'.
Sylvia: I will think for awhile about the "whys" for toxic relationships and try to offer a shallow, highly-opinionated view on the Esteban-Elvira pairing. Just so you know that I know, the writing is so awful here, so unsubtle, that I will mostly be making it up.
Thanks again, Sylvia, +++ commenters for a thoroughly entertaining morning read.
EJ
Not only did you do a fab recap but your wit and writing skills elicited the wonderful comments that keep me here at Caray. In terms of the blogosphere it doesn't get any better than that.
What fun.
My favs comments today:
UA-"As to Lucrezia I can't stand women who are in love with their perceived hotness." O well said, UA. I think this applies equally to Vanesa over on LQNPA.
Diana: Best acting on the show is for sure Mariana. I do worry about her furthering her brain injury by hitting herself in the head.
Bill C: "I'll cut you man," look. Love your turn of phrase! ITA that Esteban has written himself out of the "plot".
Sara, you may have to hang around just for the comments. Wonderful bunch, this is.
Vivi, could Pedro set himself up any better to be misunderstood and ill-perceived?
Carlos: "There really is a lot to love here." On the pure schlock scale I think we have a strong nine. We have already seen that the producers will do anything for ratings so we are forewarned. From now on when the going gets ugly I will just FF and gripe later.
Blue Lass,"Truly, that girl does EVERYTHING sluttily. She even does nothing sluttily." You had me LOL.
R la O, so glad to see you. Even if you can't stand watching, read the blog and comments and weep. Smile. Funny about that 'pockets' thing and your Pride Parade. I am used to seeing a little more plaid, big "super" key chains and ugly sensible shoes out here at our versions. The "Daisy-Duke-me" (thanks, Bill C.) look is new to me. Do you see it on men or women? Actually, hmmm, I could see that style on RuPaul if s/he were slumming. I'm just sayin'.
Sylvia: I will think for awhile about the "whys" for toxic relationships and try to offer a shallow, highly-opinionated view on the Esteban-Elvira pairing. Just so you know that I know, the writing is so awful here, so unsubtle, that I will mostly be making it up.
Thanks again, Sylvia, +++ commenters for a thoroughly entertaining morning read.
EJ
Sylvia, most splendid recap. I won't repeat all the great lines I loved that everyone else has mentioned, but I really enjoyed it, starting with the title.
I totally agree with everyone that Pedro should give the money to Camila. She is the only responsible adult in that family. But I also wonder, when she and her brother start whining about being in the street, aren't they both adults? Can't they try to get jobs and support themselves maybe?
Antonio is so deliciously bad. Are those two kids of his around anywhere or have they been sent off to boarding school or something?
Daisy Do-Me does indeed do everything sluttily. The way she looks at Antonio and talks about her plans to snag Pedro, it comes across like she's trying to make Antonio jealous. Are we heading for an incest storyline or something? Gross.
My sister used to have shorts like that, except with more holes. Mom threw them out multiple times but my sister kept rescuing them from the garbage. I think they finally ended up *mysteriously* shredded into unwearability.
I totally agree with everyone that Pedro should give the money to Camila. She is the only responsible adult in that family. But I also wonder, when she and her brother start whining about being in the street, aren't they both adults? Can't they try to get jobs and support themselves maybe?
Antonio is so deliciously bad. Are those two kids of his around anywhere or have they been sent off to boarding school or something?
Daisy Do-Me does indeed do everything sluttily. The way she looks at Antonio and talks about her plans to snag Pedro, it comes across like she's trying to make Antonio jealous. Are we heading for an incest storyline or something? Gross.
My sister used to have shorts like that, except with more holes. Mom threw them out multiple times but my sister kept rescuing them from the garbage. I think they finally ended up *mysteriously* shredded into unwearability.
Esteban is such a lousy character -Estupido fits him perfectly. He was so pathetic last night. I kept yelling at the TV - but I won't repeat what I said.
Mariana - last time I saw Karyme Lozano was in Amar Sin Limites and she was so cute and trim. She sure has picked up the pounds since then.
And where did Mariana and Pedro get that art for the living room? At a 2 for 1 sale? The art in the other rooms are fine.
As for Lucrecia, in Denver we have a street known for her type - she looks like a darn hooker and would fit right in.
The story sure is moving along quickly. Anyone know how many episodes there are? I looked on the internet and couldn't come up with it.
Mariana - last time I saw Karyme Lozano was in Amar Sin Limites and she was so cute and trim. She sure has picked up the pounds since then.
And where did Mariana and Pedro get that art for the living room? At a 2 for 1 sale? The art in the other rooms are fine.
As for Lucrecia, in Denver we have a street known for her type - she looks like a darn hooker and would fit right in.
The story sure is moving along quickly. Anyone know how many episodes there are? I looked on the internet and couldn't come up with it.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 3, 2012 at 2:22:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 3, 2012 at 2:22:00 PM EST
What a marvelous title Sylvia...another one of your quote gems. Classy, funny and oh so true.
Have to admit I'd rather be doing my laundry and ironing my cotton shirts than actually watch this, but I love the recaps and the comments. Got a kick our of your description of the mariachi music, cigar smoke and "no doubt too much after shave". Yep, sounds about right although you can't have too much after-shave for me. Love that about men (among other things).
Thanks for another great one, Cap'n Sylvia. Now off to the kitchen to get me some plump 'n juicy raisins.
Have to admit I'd rather be doing my laundry and ironing my cotton shirts than actually watch this, but I love the recaps and the comments. Got a kick our of your description of the mariachi music, cigar smoke and "no doubt too much after shave". Yep, sounds about right although you can't have too much after-shave for me. Love that about men (among other things).
Thanks for another great one, Cap'n Sylvia. Now off to the kitchen to get me some plump 'n juicy raisins.
Julia, er yep, good point about the "kids" going out and working for themselves. No wonder poor Esteban always has that hangdog look about him. He's supporting a bunch of loads. For that matter what does Elvira do besides go shopping? I think Abuela is well-rid of that bunch. I think Antonio's girls should be showing up soon. I can't wait to see what the little darlings are like. I agree about Lucrecia seeming to make Antonio jealous. It seems to be a bit more than the typical sibling needling. Or maybe that's just Lucrecia.
Anon, I think I read somewhere there are 120 episodes but I can't remember where I saw it. Funny comment about the art. My sentiments exactly.
Miss JudyB, you are a sweetheart for stopping by. I know this sort of telenovela is NOT your cup of tea, to put it mildly. Love your raisin comment. I laughed this morning when I dumped a handful of raisins into my oatmeal. I fear I'll never look at one of those shriveled buggers the same way.
Anon, I think I read somewhere there are 120 episodes but I can't remember where I saw it. Funny comment about the art. My sentiments exactly.
Miss JudyB, you are a sweetheart for stopping by. I know this sort of telenovela is NOT your cup of tea, to put it mildly. Love your raisin comment. I laughed this morning when I dumped a handful of raisins into my oatmeal. I fear I'll never look at one of those shriveled buggers the same way.
As an alternate to giving the money to Camila, Pedro could pay them in installments over time. That way Estupido wouldn't have that much in his hands all at once, but his family would have something to live on. I'm not sure a guy with a gambling addiction should own a ranch anyway. It's better suited to someone who's careful with money and thinking long-term.
Tk you Sylvia
This TN isn't doing a thing for me, I just watch because it's between Familia y Podría. Is there anyone that likes it?
That s/b Eslutty.
This TN isn't doing a thing for me, I just watch because it's between Familia y Podría. Is there anyone that likes it?
That s/b Eslutty.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 3, 2012 at 2:54:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 3, 2012 at 2:54:00 PM EST
I'm liking it so far (aside from the hideous scene of violence) but I think I'll like it better when we have more characters who are better developed.
Variopinta, it was a blast to recap, that's for sure. Of course I didn't get stuck with the shi**y scene that EJ was "blessed" with. On the other hand, while watching CME I recapped the murder/faux-suicide of Ezequiel so I guess we all pay our dues somewhere along the line.
So yeah, I like it. I like that Pedro is kind of this calm, understated hero rather than the often over-the-top yeller ala Eduardo Yáñez. Hopefully he'll become a bit more interesting.
So yeah, I like it. I like that Pedro is kind of this calm, understated hero rather than the often over-the-top yeller ala Eduardo Yáñez. Hopefully he'll become a bit more interesting.
I am reserving judgement about whether I will like this TV or not. I will give a week or two more.I definitely didn't like Podia and am much happier having stopped watching it.
For me the actress who plays Camila is too old for the role. Her mother appears just ten years older than her to boot. All these "kids" seem to be too old to be living at home still, to me atleast.
For me the actress who plays Camila is too old for the role. Her mother appears just ten years older than her to boot. All these "kids" seem to be too old to be living at home still, to me atleast.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 3, 2012 at 3:27:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 3, 2012 at 3:27:00 PM EST
You guys are hiLARious! Daisy Do Me and folding chairs from KC.
Ita Looser Dad has now fulfilled his role and is expendable but wouldn't it be truly interesting if his wife took him out?!
I needed to pull down the flaps on my beanie when Camila was BEGGING WITH TEARS EVEN to be let into the house to save her home, and then flipped her purpose to cat fighting over a man. REALLY? REALLY?
Ita Looser Dad has now fulfilled his role and is expendable but wouldn't it be truly interesting if his wife took him out?!
I needed to pull down the flaps on my beanie when Camila was BEGGING WITH TEARS EVEN to be let into the house to save her home, and then flipped her purpose to cat fighting over a man. REALLY? REALLY?
Sylvia:
I think the 'Zeke (CME) scene was awful, too, esp. since we cared about the character. I am still sorry you had to recap that epi.
We have so much fun here, and I have learned a great deal through Caray. Study group indeed! And, as you said, Cap'n, recap=pay your dues. However, having a man beat the mother of his grandchild nearly to death in the second episode, thus ending her pregnancy was, well, crazy gratuitous violence, as I have already bleated on about.
I think the TN is horribly written and directed, but, as long as the violence doesn't do me in, it should provide a great opportunity for learning, laughing and creative engagement in the Caray "community".
EJ
I think the 'Zeke (CME) scene was awful, too, esp. since we cared about the character. I am still sorry you had to recap that epi.
We have so much fun here, and I have learned a great deal through Caray. Study group indeed! And, as you said, Cap'n, recap=pay your dues. However, having a man beat the mother of his grandchild nearly to death in the second episode, thus ending her pregnancy was, well, crazy gratuitous violence, as I have already bleated on about.
I think the TN is horribly written and directed, but, as long as the violence doesn't do me in, it should provide a great opportunity for learning, laughing and creative engagement in the Caray "community".
EJ
Well, I'm in the minority, but I'm enjoying this TN. Not as much as CME, certainly, but just the same. New set of characters, new story. Otherwise, I don't know what I'd be watching - umpteenth rerun of some NCIS episode, I guess.
I am having trouble seeing Julieta Rosen as no longer Regina in CME, instead being more or less a kept woman. And puzzling over the twisted cloth in her hair. Is that going to be the Mathilde's headband for this show?
Antonio's a punk, plain and simple. As of now, his ending should only be second to his father's. The weird relationship w/ Lucrezia, his sister, makes my skin crawl. Have they or haven't they?
Lucrezia, I'll bet there are gentlemen's clubs in Fresno where you could make a fortune.
The guy who plays Esteban did a good job of acting the loss. I still remember that same look on a guy I knew in Vietnam who lost a month's pay under the same circumstances. He also had a wife and two kids.
I am having trouble seeing Julieta Rosen as no longer Regina in CME, instead being more or less a kept woman. And puzzling over the twisted cloth in her hair. Is that going to be the Mathilde's headband for this show?
Antonio's a punk, plain and simple. As of now, his ending should only be second to his father's. The weird relationship w/ Lucrezia, his sister, makes my skin crawl. Have they or haven't they?
Lucrezia, I'll bet there are gentlemen's clubs in Fresno where you could make a fortune.
The guy who plays Esteban did a good job of acting the loss. I still remember that same look on a guy I knew in Vietnam who lost a month's pay under the same circumstances. He also had a wife and two kids.
Thank you again SilviShark. You raise this telenovela to a level far higher than it's writers.
It will be interesting to see Elvira's wardrobe from NY assuming she used a clerk as a fashion advisor. Her get-up for that dinner at the neighbors was wretched. Fluffy pink according skirted dress with lettuce leaf edging, large black fru-fru on the side of her head and evening fake fur short cape with pom-poms? Did I miss her long elbow length gloves? That was so not elegant.
It will be interesting to see Elvira's wardrobe from NY assuming she used a clerk as a fashion advisor. Her get-up for that dinner at the neighbors was wretched. Fluffy pink according skirted dress with lettuce leaf edging, large black fru-fru on the side of her head and evening fake fur short cape with pom-poms? Did I miss her long elbow length gloves? That was so not elegant.
Silvia thank you for the entertaining recap, you always put a smile on my face! I really enjoyed the comment about Antonio looking like a hot Eddie Munster, it made me choke on my tea with laughter because my brother still teases me that I had a crush on Eddie when I was little. Hey what can I say, I liked the sexy Latin lover look even as a child ! LOL
Thank you all for noticing I have been MIA, I have the flu and felt too tired to go online. Dish network finally woke up and added Talisman to the listings. But I am still just taping 3 hours in a row to cover the strange Podia schedule.
The only characters I like so far are Tracy and Margarito. Antonio's ( Eddie M ) abs are indeed a highlight of the show but I need to see them daily, otherwise he is just the same brooding, non-smiling , mean version of Mariano from Teresa. Plus his relationship with his skanky, split end twirling sister is back-woods creepy!
As for poor Steve, just put him out of OUR misery already! L O O S E R ! He has some nerve sniveling like a baby about his family being thrown out on the street, when half hour before he was strutting around like a big rooster, slugging down brandy being loud and obnoxious! I can't blame his wife for wanting to leave him...I want to leave him!
I also don't care for his dyed hair that looks reddish in the light,gives him too much of the polyester saleman vibe.
Blanca S. is such a beauty, I love the close ups of her gorgeous face and eyes . often she seems awkward to me in her body,she tends to hunch over when she is next to short people which I always find an interesting body movement that many tall young girls seem to do in middle school, but usually grow out of by High school /college.
Her outfits are a cute cowgirl/hippie looking style that I would like to wear if I myself were a foot taller! But I agree that she would look much better in simple sleeker clothing.
I will give this TN more time as my enquiring mind still needs to know:
1. what the ranches actually produce to make money.
2. why Don-gusting Gagorio wants Talisman so badly.
3. If Pedro has his green card and why he wears the bandana on his wrist, is it merely a bad "fashion statement"?
4. I have to see Lucinda's reaction when she finds out Estupido lost the farm..again
5. If these grown kids do anything but flop around the house all day, Camila included. Do they work? School?
watch dumb TN's like I do at least??
Thank you all for noticing I have been MIA, I have the flu and felt too tired to go online. Dish network finally woke up and added Talisman to the listings. But I am still just taping 3 hours in a row to cover the strange Podia schedule.
The only characters I like so far are Tracy and Margarito. Antonio's ( Eddie M ) abs are indeed a highlight of the show but I need to see them daily, otherwise he is just the same brooding, non-smiling , mean version of Mariano from Teresa. Plus his relationship with his skanky, split end twirling sister is back-woods creepy!
As for poor Steve, just put him out of OUR misery already! L O O S E R ! He has some nerve sniveling like a baby about his family being thrown out on the street, when half hour before he was strutting around like a big rooster, slugging down brandy being loud and obnoxious! I can't blame his wife for wanting to leave him...I want to leave him!
I also don't care for his dyed hair that looks reddish in the light,gives him too much of the polyester saleman vibe.
Blanca S. is such a beauty, I love the close ups of her gorgeous face and eyes . often she seems awkward to me in her body,she tends to hunch over when she is next to short people which I always find an interesting body movement that many tall young girls seem to do in middle school, but usually grow out of by High school /college.
Her outfits are a cute cowgirl/hippie looking style that I would like to wear if I myself were a foot taller! But I agree that she would look much better in simple sleeker clothing.
I will give this TN more time as my enquiring mind still needs to know:
1. what the ranches actually produce to make money.
2. why Don-gusting Gagorio wants Talisman so badly.
3. If Pedro has his green card and why he wears the bandana on his wrist, is it merely a bad "fashion statement"?
4. I have to see Lucinda's reaction when she finds out Estupido lost the farm..again
5. If these grown kids do anything but flop around the house all day, Camila included. Do they work? School?
watch dumb TN's like I do at least??
My last comment for today on CME vs. ETAL: Food.
Remember all the chopping, cooking and tasting scenes in the La Bonita kitchen? It generated some nice recipes for us Carayers.
Even Jeronimo had taken cooking classes. Chema had his dreams of being a chef. There were the romantic restaurant dinners for lovers and others with friends, outdoor restaurant meals, home cooked meals at Consta & Honorios, breakfasts in bed, breakfasts at Monterubio Misery Mansion, cafeteria meals, "catered" hospital meals (by Jeronimo). There were the fun food fights at the Centro, difficult meals at Cruz sin Amor (remember Augustin whipping up cold ham and cheese during the storm?) and lots of wine (and grape stomping).
We haven't had a single tour of the fields with rows upon rows of raisins or how they are harvested and processed (I'd like to know). (What I saw looked suspiciously like soybean plants.)
All we've had a chance to see of Alcatraz & Talisman is one very sad, melting dish of frozen yoghurt, a huge empty kitchen with a huge refrigerator that has only been opened once and lots of hard liquor, but not a single meal.
Ok, call it precipitous, it's only 4 days in. Let's revisit at #44, ok?
Anita
My work verification is: groede, as in raisins groede in the fields
Remember all the chopping, cooking and tasting scenes in the La Bonita kitchen? It generated some nice recipes for us Carayers.
Even Jeronimo had taken cooking classes. Chema had his dreams of being a chef. There were the romantic restaurant dinners for lovers and others with friends, outdoor restaurant meals, home cooked meals at Consta & Honorios, breakfasts in bed, breakfasts at Monterubio Misery Mansion, cafeteria meals, "catered" hospital meals (by Jeronimo). There were the fun food fights at the Centro, difficult meals at Cruz sin Amor (remember Augustin whipping up cold ham and cheese during the storm?) and lots of wine (and grape stomping).
We haven't had a single tour of the fields with rows upon rows of raisins or how they are harvested and processed (I'd like to know). (What I saw looked suspiciously like soybean plants.)
All we've had a chance to see of Alcatraz & Talisman is one very sad, melting dish of frozen yoghurt, a huge empty kitchen with a huge refrigerator that has only been opened once and lots of hard liquor, but not a single meal.
Ok, call it precipitous, it's only 4 days in. Let's revisit at #44, ok?
Anita
My work verification is: groede, as in raisins groede in the fields
We did see one meal at Alcatraz, when Gagorio threw a fit and stomped away because they served him green salsa and not red (and then when the camera pulled back I noticed there was a big dish of red salsa on the sideboard, ha!). Poor Tracy tries to discuss the meals and cook, but she mostly just gets yelled at.
I agree it would improve the ambience if people did normal everyday things like cook and eat while they talked. Or work on their ranches, or have some crafty hobby. I'm starting to get the impression that most of them just sit in the house drinking and staring at the walls most of the day.
I agree it would improve the ambience if people did normal everyday things like cook and eat while they talked. Or work on their ranches, or have some crafty hobby. I'm starting to get the impression that most of them just sit in the house drinking and staring at the walls most of the day.
Sylvia: Thanks for a great recap. Better than the ep, for sure.
I think Trog is a perfect name for Gregorio.
I think Antonio looks a little like a dark-haired Spike (BVS).
I'm sympathetic to people with addicitions, but wanted Esteban to die while he was being all cocky and obnoxious at Trog's. When he got home and put the gun to his head, I'm like "pull the trigger already". And I'm a non-violent person. Maybe I should stop watching? ;)
I thought I detected a bit of wistfulness in Lu's eyes as she watched Camilla and Estupido, like she wished she had a more normal father/daughter relationship. No one else noticed it so maybe I'm just trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, though I don't know why, she's completely reprehensible.
Blanca S does this interesting thing with her eyes when she's trying to stare someone down.
Robey
I think Trog is a perfect name for Gregorio.
I think Antonio looks a little like a dark-haired Spike (BVS).
I'm sympathetic to people with addicitions, but wanted Esteban to die while he was being all cocky and obnoxious at Trog's. When he got home and put the gun to his head, I'm like "pull the trigger already". And I'm a non-violent person. Maybe I should stop watching? ;)
I thought I detected a bit of wistfulness in Lu's eyes as she watched Camilla and Estupido, like she wished she had a more normal father/daughter relationship. No one else noticed it so maybe I'm just trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, though I don't know why, she's completely reprehensible.
Blanca S does this interesting thing with her eyes when she's trying to stare someone down.
Robey
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 3, 2012 at 4:55:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 3, 2012 at 4:55:00 PM EST
Elle,
"what the ranches actually produce to make money."
I found this site with the top 10 crops of Fresno Co
Each episode has a short scene of a crop in pretty green rows that looks like it could be potatoes but I can't tell for sure.
"why Don-gusting Gagorio wants Talisman so badly."
I don't know, but he apparently doesn't want it bad enough to swap El Alcatraz for... he had the opportunity to do that last night.
I want to know why Pedro wants El Alcatraz so badly. I would have thought that he would have preferred to win ET back for Mariana, but he said that he had hoped to win EA.
Carlos
"what the ranches actually produce to make money."
I found this site with the top 10 crops of Fresno Co
Each episode has a short scene of a crop in pretty green rows that looks like it could be potatoes but I can't tell for sure.
"why Don-gusting Gagorio wants Talisman so badly."
I don't know, but he apparently doesn't want it bad enough to swap El Alcatraz for... he had the opportunity to do that last night.
I want to know why Pedro wants El Alcatraz so badly. I would have thought that he would have preferred to win ET back for Mariana, but he said that he had hoped to win EA.
Carlos
Gregorio wants El Talisman because the woman he loved married the now difunto owner of El Talisman, who died on day two, the wife on day one. Its all about revenge with him. Revenge is all he seems to know. What an ugly man inside and out.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 3, 2012 at 5:14:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 3, 2012 at 5:14:00 PM EST
Robey- I thought I also detected a wistful look (in between the sexy look) on Lucrezia's face when she saw Cam and Estupid together too. You're not the only one.
All I can say about this one, is
I'm learning a little Spanish, hopefully
I'm learning a little Spanish, hopefully
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 3, 2012 at 5:15:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 3, 2012 at 5:15:00 PM EST
i think Pedro did want el Alcatraz because the last thing on his mind was to get ElT from Estupido... that is the last thing he wants camila to blame him for, that her dad lost ElT.
besides, he wanted to get at Gagorio and ElAlc is much bigger and move valuable ranch than ElT.
other possible motives. to leave Gagorio homeless? LOL! to get back at Gagorio for what he did to Mariana.
besides, he wanted to get at Gagorio and ElAlc is much bigger and move valuable ranch than ElT.
other possible motives. to leave Gagorio homeless? LOL! to get back at Gagorio for what he did to Mariana.
Anita and Julia- I totally agree that this tn's ambiance would benefit from people doing normal everyday things like cooking, eating, and working. Maybe that's part of what feels so off to me. These are very thin characters. We can't imagine what they would/could be doing if they weren't in that particular scene.
The CME characters all had lives of their own and we could easily picture what each of them would be up to each day-- even Roberta, whose sole purpose was to do nothing in life: go to the club, gossip with Selene by the pool, annoy Renata, plot against Renata with mommy or Augie, yell at the house staff, spend Daddy's money, have a roll in the sack with someone, call someone "estupido", go to a club and get drunk, perhaps have a role in the sack with someone from the club. A complete day! Right now, I can't imagine what Lucrezia does to keep her bad girl self occupied all day.
The CME characters all had lives of their own and we could easily picture what each of them would be up to each day-- even Roberta, whose sole purpose was to do nothing in life: go to the club, gossip with Selene by the pool, annoy Renata, plot against Renata with mommy or Augie, yell at the house staff, spend Daddy's money, have a roll in the sack with someone, call someone "estupido", go to a club and get drunk, perhaps have a role in the sack with someone from the club. A complete day! Right now, I can't imagine what Lucrezia does to keep her bad girl self occupied all day.
Julia--I completely missed the Alcatraz meal. Where on earth was I? I have caught myself nodding off at times, even is it is between 8-9. I've tried to >FF through some scenes and then realize I'm not or haven't recorded it. Actually, that might make it more palatable (sorry for the food pun).
Vivi--You're right, we really don't know what any of them do--even Pedro, whom we saw mostly riding around on horseback entertaining Camila in the second episode. What's he been up to, mooching off Marianna since he left El Talisman?
Too many inconsistencies.
Anita
Vivi--You're right, we really don't know what any of them do--even Pedro, whom we saw mostly riding around on horseback entertaining Camila in the second episode. What's he been up to, mooching off Marianna since he left El Talisman?
Too many inconsistencies.
Anita
Vivi- Nice summary of a typical Roberta day. Surely even Fresno has some gyms and clubs for her to keep busy. There are certainly plenty of estupidos to yell at. First things first though. Shopping. Those high heel sneakers are just stupid.
Kelly
Kelly
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 3, 2012 at 5:43:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 3, 2012 at 5:43:00 PM EST
Robey, good for you, you have a sensitive eye. I just re-watched that scene you mentioned and it did seem that Lu gazed at Camila and her dad a little wistfully.
Vivi, LOL! You have a good memory for Robert's daily tasks all right.
Marta, I think you are right that Pedro wanted El Alcatraz. Antonio didn't want dad to bet their ranch because I THINK he said it was more valuable. Your translation skills are top notch and it sounds like that's what you heard too. Pedro was stuck with El Talisman. Oh darn.
Anita and Julia (and others), You are so right that this show would improve with some daily living thrown in. With all that excellent produce locally grown they should be cooking up a storm. Carlos, that's a very cool link you provided. Thanks.
Julia, you actually saw a bowl of red salsa? That's hilarious. Gagorio the trog was just looking for any old thing to gripe about that morning.
Nobody ever talks about the mother of Antonio and Lucrecia. Clearly she's not around. I wonder if she will ever enter into the story?
Vivi, LOL! You have a good memory for Robert's daily tasks all right.
Marta, I think you are right that Pedro wanted El Alcatraz. Antonio didn't want dad to bet their ranch because I THINK he said it was more valuable. Your translation skills are top notch and it sounds like that's what you heard too. Pedro was stuck with El Talisman. Oh darn.
Anita and Julia (and others), You are so right that this show would improve with some daily living thrown in. With all that excellent produce locally grown they should be cooking up a storm. Carlos, that's a very cool link you provided. Thanks.
Julia, you actually saw a bowl of red salsa? That's hilarious. Gagorio the trog was just looking for any old thing to gripe about that morning.
Nobody ever talks about the mother of Antonio and Lucrecia. Clearly she's not around. I wonder if she will ever enter into the story?
Even if they were just sitting in front of a computer or the television, it would give us some sense of how they spend their time. In better shows even the more minor characters will have a book in their hand, or be sitting at a desk with paperwork, or paint their nails, or repot plants, or SOMETHING, as least some of the time.
Last night Doris demanded her hair dryer, even though her hair was already dry. And Lucrecia peeked out the window. Do those count as activities?
Robey, I can definitely see why Antonio reminds you of a darker-looking Spike. Now there was another bad boy that used to intrigue me.
Robey, I can definitely see why Antonio reminds you of a darker-looking Spike. Now there was another bad boy that used to intrigue me.
Maybe we'll get more 'activities of daily living' once the show is more established and the plots are well underway...
My book group meets tonight - wish I had the nerve to dress like Elvira! Lucretia, not so much.
My book group meets tonight - wish I had the nerve to dress like Elvira! Lucretia, not so much.
Wikipedia does say there are 120 episodes for us to suffer through unless things improve. FYI--raisens are dried grapes so El Talisman would have to have grape vines somewhere. Hmmm--maybe they grow other crops too.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 3, 2012 at 6:18:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 3, 2012 at 6:18:00 PM EST
Anon above at 6:18--Of course raisins come from dried grapes, but since there are so many little things wrong with this right out of the starting gate that I was being facetious about seeing fields of raisins---but you are right, where are the grape vines, for heaven's sake.
At La Bonita and Cruz sin Amor, the serfs were laboring in the fields all day long. They only got to go to church and big town fiestas.
Maybe at ElAl and ElTal it's completely mechanized...or done by robots or drones.
Anita
This time my word verif is: expucous--have no idea what it could mean, but it sounds awful when you say it outloud.
At La Bonita and Cruz sin Amor, the serfs were laboring in the fields all day long. They only got to go to church and big town fiestas.
Maybe at ElAl and ElTal it's completely mechanized...or done by robots or drones.
Anita
This time my word verif is: expucous--have no idea what it could mean, but it sounds awful when you say it outloud.
I saw Pedro twisting something that looked like rope. He was sweating so it must have been real tough work. Yep, twisting rope, real difficult. Last time I made rope I used a Makita drill to twist it, but I'm lazy.
Anita, maybe since they are actually filming in Miami the only Fresno we're going to see is the smoggy sunset and cars on the freeway and the occasional generic crop shot.
Anita, maybe since they are actually filming in Miami the only Fresno we're going to see is the smoggy sunset and cars on the freeway and the occasional generic crop shot.
I think that it's not so much that Gregorio prefers red salsa but rather that he prefers whichever salsa is not available.
Carlos
Carlos
Anita - LOL about clarifying that you do not believe raisins grow on trees. Also, you made my mouth water with the CME food memories. Ah, Manuela.
I interpreted Pedro saying he wanted to bet on El Al (the ranch, not the Israeli airline) as calling Gagorio's bluff. He knew he wouldn't give that ranch up, and would offer up El Tal instead, which is what Pedro wanted. In this way he can pay Camila's family for El Tal, which he is doing, without alerting Gag to that transaction.
I think that Pedro gave Esteban 10 "mil" (thousand), not million. He will give the rest to Elvira.
I think Lucrecia obviously does leg lunges all day and looks out the window between sets.
Vivi - I love the Roberta list!
Julia - so funny about the red salsa!
Emilia - what book is your book club reading this month?
R la O
I interpreted Pedro saying he wanted to bet on El Al (the ranch, not the Israeli airline) as calling Gagorio's bluff. He knew he wouldn't give that ranch up, and would offer up El Tal instead, which is what Pedro wanted. In this way he can pay Camila's family for El Tal, which he is doing, without alerting Gag to that transaction.
I think that Pedro gave Esteban 10 "mil" (thousand), not million. He will give the rest to Elvira.
I think Lucrecia obviously does leg lunges all day and looks out the window between sets.
Vivi - I love the Roberta list!
Julia - so funny about the red salsa!
Emilia - what book is your book club reading this month?
R la O
I watched the card game between Pedro and Gag-O again and this is what I saw:
Each was dealt 5 cards
G put in some chips
P matched his bet
Each discarded 2 and took 2
G put in more chips
P matched them
Then we were given a look at the cards
G had a 6 high straight
P had a king high straight
Now it gets weird...
G discards one and takes another
P discards 3 and takes 3 more
This is not like any poker I've ever played
and then it gets even crazier
G now miraculously has a full house with aces over kings
WTF?
we go outside for a moment to check on the girls
back inside G says lets get this over with once and for all and shoves all his chips into the pot
P responds by pushing all his chips dripping the last 5 (or was it 6?) in for dramatic effect
G declares his hand, "full house... aces over kings...can you beat that Pedro Ibarra?"
Turns our he can as his straight has also miraculously changed... 4 queens and an 8, "poker de reinas"
Hmmmm...
Carlos
Each was dealt 5 cards
G put in some chips
P matched his bet
Each discarded 2 and took 2
G put in more chips
P matched them
Then we were given a look at the cards
G had a 6 high straight
P had a king high straight
Now it gets weird...
G discards one and takes another
P discards 3 and takes 3 more
This is not like any poker I've ever played
and then it gets even crazier
G now miraculously has a full house with aces over kings
WTF?
we go outside for a moment to check on the girls
back inside G says lets get this over with once and for all and shoves all his chips into the pot
P responds by pushing all his chips dripping the last 5 (or was it 6?) in for dramatic effect
G declares his hand, "full house... aces over kings...can you beat that Pedro Ibarra?"
Turns our he can as his straight has also miraculously changed... 4 queens and an 8, "poker de reinas"
Hmmmm...
Carlos
Anita your word verif reminds me of escupir...which is pretty much what I feel like doing: spitting on this TN. I'll give it one more week, but I am so far completely and utterly uninterested. Maybe if they put a few more Hot Eddie Munster scenes.
Does the fact that LQNPA is getting moved back an hour mean that ElT is going to be airing for two hours??
What??? Good Lord I hope not. Anyone know anything about that? Sara you're gonna give me nightmares.
Oh, I didn't want to do that! Sorry!
All I know is that UFCS is still in the 7EST spot and ElT in the 8EST slot, but LQNPA has been moved to the 10EST spot. There's a lost hour. Right? Quick, check my math.
All I know is that UFCS is still in the 7EST spot and ElT in the 8EST slot, but LQNPA has been moved to the 10EST spot. There's a lost hour. Right? Quick, check my math.
carlos, if pedro already had a queen and got 3 more cards, it is possible he got 3 more queens... but Gagorio... not sure at all how he went from a low straight (no aces, no kings), got only 1 card replaced and suddenly had full house of aces and kings... that is weirder than weird... so Gagorio had marked cards, and Pedro brought in two decks of MAGIC cards... LOL
so fitting that when Gagorio is kicking Elvira out of his house, Antonio and his wife are also looking on at the scene... since Antonio treats his wife exactly the same way on a regular basis... and Doris looked concerned about Elvira while OSG looked like he could care less what was going on.
Sara, your math is right (not that you can trust me with numbers). I can't check the programming right now. My better half is totally immersed in a WWII show he recorded earlier. TV Guide shows LQNPA at 9:00 but TV Guide can't seem to be able to keep up with Univision's changes. Nobody can apparently. I wonder what's on at 9:00?
My DVR still shows it airing at 8(I'm CST)
Querido Univison,
Por favor ¡Basta ya! Estoy harta de estas locuras.
Sinceramente,
Una Recapadora Descontenta
Querido Univison,
Por favor ¡Basta ya! Estoy harta de estas locuras.
Sinceramente,
Una Recapadora Descontenta
I checked the DirecTV schedule for Mon and it shows 2 hrs. of La Familia before ET all week. Yikes!
Marta, I wonder where the 8 in Pedro's hand came from. Magic cards indeed.
Carlos
Marta, I wonder where the 8 in Pedro's hand came from. Magic cards indeed.
Carlos
What? ET on at 9:00? What the @#*!!? How long will this go on? Univision I really hate you.
Carlos and Marta, I'll have to trust you on the card hands. My eyes glaze over with that sort of thing.
Carlos and Marta, I'll have to trust you on the card hands. My eyes glaze over with that sort of thing.
"How long will this go on? Univision I really hate you."
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Ditto. There are just no words. When will networks learn that when you constantly tinker with the scheduling you LOSE viewers. I've got to check today to make sure there will be no conflict with hubby's shows in the new timeslot for LQNPA. If I can't record it I'm screwed.
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Ditto. There are just no words. When will networks learn that when you constantly tinker with the scheduling you LOSE viewers. I've got to check today to make sure there will be no conflict with hubby's shows in the new timeslot for LQNPA. If I can't record it I'm screwed.
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