Tuesday, April 24, 2012
El Talismán #60 Tue 4/24/12 A Proposal, A Revelation, and Castigation
Previously on El Talisman:
Mariana is telling Tonio she must have had a complicated life and Tonio escorts Mariana from El Alcatrash.
Today on El Talisman:
El Viral and Maria are talking in Maria's office. Maria is telling the El Viral to calm down. Maria tells El Viral to think about giving that divorce to Rennie; it will be El Viral's chance to start anew. El Viral says yeah then I can look for a new man with postion and Maria says you should look for someone to love instead of another millonaire. El Viral says she'd like to be married again cause she hates being alone because Army and Cameela want nothing to do with her. El Viral is happy that Maria has taken her in. El Viral leaves.
Dr. Raul is showing Manuel around the Only Hospital in Fresno. Dr. Raul wants him to meet Maria, but she is busy right now. Dr. Manuel says Maria, huh there are alot of Maria's in the world.
Pedro, Cameela, Sarita and Gabe are all in the kitchen talking about Pedro and Cameela getting married. Sarita, Gabe and Cameela think it is too soon to marry after the deaths of Tia Patty and Claudio, but Pedro says we are getting married next week. The sooner the better. Pedro goes to find Margarito.
Margarito is in Claudio's room. He looks at a pic of when Claudio was little. He misses him so much. There is alcohol on the table in Claudio's room and Margarito eyes the bottle. He picks up the bottle and looks at it and just then Pedro comes into the room. He puts the bottle down and says he could just die. Pedro tells Margarito he needs another opportunity. Margarito asks what opportunity? Pedro says to come with him and he'll show him.
Valentin and Panchito are talking among the trees and he tells Panchito that Pigorio doesn't want to end up in the carcel.
Tonio has taken Mariana back to her apartment. She has so many questions does anyone else at Alcatrash know her? Mariana says you only tell me a little. Tonio tells her she is confused. She asks him if he is part of her past? I think Mariana asks Tonio about the ranch. She is very confused. After Tonio leaves she remembers seeing Pedro and Cameela in the garden and then hearing Pedro's voice. She is having a hard time beleiving Tonio about Pedro.
Pedro takes Margarito to the orphanage and has him wait outside. Pedro goes in and Santiago is still there. Pedro tells him he brought a friend with him for Sanitiago to talk to. He'll get the doughnuts if he does this. Santiago says oh, ok. Pedro wants Santiago to help Margarito. Santiago says oh, so many conditions, but he goes outside and introduces himself to Margarito. Margarito tells him he has lost his son. Santiago tells him he doesn't know if his Mom is dead or alive and he doesn't know who his dad is. Santiago has tears in his eyes. Margarito goes inside with Santiago and tells him he is happy to know him. Santiago digs into the donuts and gets chocolate all over himself. Pedro asks Santiago if he would like to live at El Talisman? Margarito tells him it is a great place. Santiago is for that, but he won't be going there today. Pedro has something to do, and Santiago says this time when you come back bring me glazed doughnuts. They laugh.
Fabi and Army are walking and talking at school. Angel sees Flor so to head her off he says hi to her and she asks what he is doing there? He blocks her view and says he is looking for his friend Andreas does she know him? Flor says no, don't know that guy. Flor sees Fabi and calls to her, while Army is hiding his face. Flor goes over and Fabi introduces him to Flor as her novio. Flor is really mad, cause she says this is Jose my novio. Army tells them he can explain that he is both Jose and Army. Well Fabi is royally pithed off and can't beleive Army did this to her and Flor tells Army she hates him. Both sisters take off and are royally pithed off at Army.
Tracy has come over to see Cameela at El Tal and Cameela tells her that she and Pedro are getting married next week. Tracy asks if it isn't too soon, but Cameela tells her Pedro is insisting on it. I think they are doing a Mexican wedding. Pedro calls Cameela and tells her to dress nicely cause he wants to say something alone to her, away from El Tal. She is worried cause she thinks it is bad, but Tracy the voice of Spanlish reason tells her he probably just wants some alone time with her. Cameela is worried cause Pedro sounded so serious. Tracy wonders if this is about the Negrete siblings.
Nana and Panchito are having a little confab and Nana is talking about Claudio and Flor and something about Don Francisco? If someone could fill this in.
Fabi has come home and is very upset. Flor has been given a ride by one of her friends. Flor goes in looking for Fabi. Fabi is crying in her room and talking to Nana. She tells Nana she can't beleive Army did this to her. She tells Nana what happened. Flor is in the living room and in walks Pigorio. Pigorio walks up to Flor and slaps her across the face so hard, she falls onto the sofa. Pigorio tells her this is her punishment for going with Claudio and accusing him of killing him. He is starting to take off his belt (this recapper was shuddering in horror and wanted him to have an infarto, jus saying) when Tonio comes in. Tonio shoves Pigorio away from Flor and asks him what the hell he thinks he's going to do to Flor. Pigorio tells Tonio his princessa had been seeing Claudio and accused Pig of killing him, and she was never punished for this. Tonio turns to Flor and the Pig leaves. Flor begs her father to forgive her and not to punish her. Tonio tells her don't worry I won't punish you. I am marrying Cameela and will have another girl. Basically he is telling her you are dead to me. Poor Flor doesn't know what to say, but she cries.
Army and Angel are back at the apartment and Army wants to call Fabi and explain everything to her. Army tells him to give her some time. El Viral comes in and asks about what is going on with Fabi? She tells Army you better be careful that Pig never finds out what you did. Army finally tells El Viral this is all her fault. This was her plan and look what happened. El Viral the queen of drama tells him she wants no drama from him. (Seriously with all your Screaming and High Drama you want none from your son)? Angel (and he truly is an angel) steps in and tells El Viral heck yeah this is all YOUR fault and you have a track record for it n'est pas? Angel tells High Drama El Viral that his Mama's heart was broken by High Drama El Viral and that she stole his Mama's boyfriend. She says it's not her fault that Tia Maria's boyfriend fell in love with her. High Drama El Viral ruined the lives of Army and Cameela for her own stupid venganza. Miss High Drama says she won't be insulted and Angel tells her to shut up already (this recapper was cheering him on). He knows all about her past and what she has done. High Drama El Viral is pithed off so much her headband is coming unglued. She exits the room and slams the door.
Flor comes into the bedroom and talks to Nana and Fabi. She tells Fabi what the Pig did and was about to do and then how Tonio saved her and that he is marrying Cameela and having more kids. Fabi and Flor and not happy and Flor says I guess we just have to accept this. Fabi says she will never accept this and that Cameela must be bad. Flor says no, she is nice. Fabi wants to know why Army did this to them? Fabi isn't interested in anything right now. She is too sad.
Cameela is all dressed up and goes to the Swankiest Restaurant in Fresno and has her car parked by a valet. She goes inside and asks if there is a reservation under the name Pedro Ibarra? The hostess seats her and there is Pedro. He gives her a rose, and their theme song starts to play. She looks at the rose and finds a diamond ring in the center, she gives it to Pedro who asks her to marry him and puts it on her finger. She has tears in her eyes and accepts his proposal. They dance and talk about what kinds of children they want she wants a girl he wants a boy. They say they will have lots of children. Mucho smoochies. The anvil awaits.
Doris comes into the living room where Lucrazy is and teases her about Pedro marrying Cameela and how do you feel about that. Lucrazy tells her to largate while snapping those fingers like leave now. Doris tells her poor little Lucrazy. Doris leaves. Tonio comes in and says he and Lucrazy have to talk. He tells her they will use Mariana to stop the wedding of Pedro and Cameela. All Lucrazy can think about is that her Mi Amor is marrying Cameela. Tonio says with Mariana's help they will stop this wedding.
Dr Raul has finally come to see Maria. He asks her how she likes her job. She tells Dr. Raul she loves it. Dr. Manuel comes in and Dr. Raul introduces him to Dr. Maria. They recognize each other immediately. They tell Dr. Raul they have known each other for years. Dr. Raul leaves and Dr. Manuel and Dr. Maria start talking. She asks how he likes Fresno, he says he loves it. He tells her she is beautiful, she is blushing a bit. Maria tells him she wants to keep their relationship strictly professional. He asks her if she has ever thought of him in all the years since they've seen each other? Maria says no not so much, especially after what happened. Dr. Manuel asks if she is married? She says no divorced. Manuel leaves and Maria thinks how could he be working here too?
Pigorio is in his office when Panchito comes to see him. Pigorio asks him about the investigation he is conducting over there at El Tal is going about the Mariana problem? Panchito has a sick look on his face, but tells Pigorio he hasn't heard a word about her or seen her either. He asks Panchito if this is really true? Panchito assures him it is true not a word or sighting.
Advances:
Tonio tells Pigorio prepare to die. There is a loaded gun.
Mariana is telling Tonio she must have had a complicated life and Tonio escorts Mariana from El Alcatrash.
Today on El Talisman:
El Viral and Maria are talking in Maria's office. Maria is telling the El Viral to calm down. Maria tells El Viral to think about giving that divorce to Rennie; it will be El Viral's chance to start anew. El Viral says yeah then I can look for a new man with postion and Maria says you should look for someone to love instead of another millonaire. El Viral says she'd like to be married again cause she hates being alone because Army and Cameela want nothing to do with her. El Viral is happy that Maria has taken her in. El Viral leaves.
Dr. Raul is showing Manuel around the Only Hospital in Fresno. Dr. Raul wants him to meet Maria, but she is busy right now. Dr. Manuel says Maria, huh there are alot of Maria's in the world.
Pedro, Cameela, Sarita and Gabe are all in the kitchen talking about Pedro and Cameela getting married. Sarita, Gabe and Cameela think it is too soon to marry after the deaths of Tia Patty and Claudio, but Pedro says we are getting married next week. The sooner the better. Pedro goes to find Margarito.
Margarito is in Claudio's room. He looks at a pic of when Claudio was little. He misses him so much. There is alcohol on the table in Claudio's room and Margarito eyes the bottle. He picks up the bottle and looks at it and just then Pedro comes into the room. He puts the bottle down and says he could just die. Pedro tells Margarito he needs another opportunity. Margarito asks what opportunity? Pedro says to come with him and he'll show him.
Valentin and Panchito are talking among the trees and he tells Panchito that Pigorio doesn't want to end up in the carcel.
Tonio has taken Mariana back to her apartment. She has so many questions does anyone else at Alcatrash know her? Mariana says you only tell me a little. Tonio tells her she is confused. She asks him if he is part of her past? I think Mariana asks Tonio about the ranch. She is very confused. After Tonio leaves she remembers seeing Pedro and Cameela in the garden and then hearing Pedro's voice. She is having a hard time beleiving Tonio about Pedro.
Pedro takes Margarito to the orphanage and has him wait outside. Pedro goes in and Santiago is still there. Pedro tells him he brought a friend with him for Sanitiago to talk to. He'll get the doughnuts if he does this. Santiago says oh, ok. Pedro wants Santiago to help Margarito. Santiago says oh, so many conditions, but he goes outside and introduces himself to Margarito. Margarito tells him he has lost his son. Santiago tells him he doesn't know if his Mom is dead or alive and he doesn't know who his dad is. Santiago has tears in his eyes. Margarito goes inside with Santiago and tells him he is happy to know him. Santiago digs into the donuts and gets chocolate all over himself. Pedro asks Santiago if he would like to live at El Talisman? Margarito tells him it is a great place. Santiago is for that, but he won't be going there today. Pedro has something to do, and Santiago says this time when you come back bring me glazed doughnuts. They laugh.
Fabi and Army are walking and talking at school. Angel sees Flor so to head her off he says hi to her and she asks what he is doing there? He blocks her view and says he is looking for his friend Andreas does she know him? Flor says no, don't know that guy. Flor sees Fabi and calls to her, while Army is hiding his face. Flor goes over and Fabi introduces him to Flor as her novio. Flor is really mad, cause she says this is Jose my novio. Army tells them he can explain that he is both Jose and Army. Well Fabi is royally pithed off and can't beleive Army did this to her and Flor tells Army she hates him. Both sisters take off and are royally pithed off at Army.
Tracy has come over to see Cameela at El Tal and Cameela tells her that she and Pedro are getting married next week. Tracy asks if it isn't too soon, but Cameela tells her Pedro is insisting on it. I think they are doing a Mexican wedding. Pedro calls Cameela and tells her to dress nicely cause he wants to say something alone to her, away from El Tal. She is worried cause she thinks it is bad, but Tracy the voice of Spanlish reason tells her he probably just wants some alone time with her. Cameela is worried cause Pedro sounded so serious. Tracy wonders if this is about the Negrete siblings.
Nana and Panchito are having a little confab and Nana is talking about Claudio and Flor and something about Don Francisco? If someone could fill this in.
Fabi has come home and is very upset. Flor has been given a ride by one of her friends. Flor goes in looking for Fabi. Fabi is crying in her room and talking to Nana. She tells Nana she can't beleive Army did this to her. She tells Nana what happened. Flor is in the living room and in walks Pigorio. Pigorio walks up to Flor and slaps her across the face so hard, she falls onto the sofa. Pigorio tells her this is her punishment for going with Claudio and accusing him of killing him. He is starting to take off his belt (this recapper was shuddering in horror and wanted him to have an infarto, jus saying) when Tonio comes in. Tonio shoves Pigorio away from Flor and asks him what the hell he thinks he's going to do to Flor. Pigorio tells Tonio his princessa had been seeing Claudio and accused Pig of killing him, and she was never punished for this. Tonio turns to Flor and the Pig leaves. Flor begs her father to forgive her and not to punish her. Tonio tells her don't worry I won't punish you. I am marrying Cameela and will have another girl. Basically he is telling her you are dead to me. Poor Flor doesn't know what to say, but she cries.
Army and Angel are back at the apartment and Army wants to call Fabi and explain everything to her. Army tells him to give her some time. El Viral comes in and asks about what is going on with Fabi? She tells Army you better be careful that Pig never finds out what you did. Army finally tells El Viral this is all her fault. This was her plan and look what happened. El Viral the queen of drama tells him she wants no drama from him. (Seriously with all your Screaming and High Drama you want none from your son)? Angel (and he truly is an angel) steps in and tells El Viral heck yeah this is all YOUR fault and you have a track record for it n'est pas? Angel tells High Drama El Viral that his Mama's heart was broken by High Drama El Viral and that she stole his Mama's boyfriend. She says it's not her fault that Tia Maria's boyfriend fell in love with her. High Drama El Viral ruined the lives of Army and Cameela for her own stupid venganza. Miss High Drama says she won't be insulted and Angel tells her to shut up already (this recapper was cheering him on). He knows all about her past and what she has done. High Drama El Viral is pithed off so much her headband is coming unglued. She exits the room and slams the door.
Flor comes into the bedroom and talks to Nana and Fabi. She tells Fabi what the Pig did and was about to do and then how Tonio saved her and that he is marrying Cameela and having more kids. Fabi and Flor and not happy and Flor says I guess we just have to accept this. Fabi says she will never accept this and that Cameela must be bad. Flor says no, she is nice. Fabi wants to know why Army did this to them? Fabi isn't interested in anything right now. She is too sad.
Cameela is all dressed up and goes to the Swankiest Restaurant in Fresno and has her car parked by a valet. She goes inside and asks if there is a reservation under the name Pedro Ibarra? The hostess seats her and there is Pedro. He gives her a rose, and their theme song starts to play. She looks at the rose and finds a diamond ring in the center, she gives it to Pedro who asks her to marry him and puts it on her finger. She has tears in her eyes and accepts his proposal. They dance and talk about what kinds of children they want she wants a girl he wants a boy. They say they will have lots of children. Mucho smoochies. The anvil awaits.
Doris comes into the living room where Lucrazy is and teases her about Pedro marrying Cameela and how do you feel about that. Lucrazy tells her to largate while snapping those fingers like leave now. Doris tells her poor little Lucrazy. Doris leaves. Tonio comes in and says he and Lucrazy have to talk. He tells her they will use Mariana to stop the wedding of Pedro and Cameela. All Lucrazy can think about is that her Mi Amor is marrying Cameela. Tonio says with Mariana's help they will stop this wedding.
Dr Raul has finally come to see Maria. He asks her how she likes her job. She tells Dr. Raul she loves it. Dr. Manuel comes in and Dr. Raul introduces him to Dr. Maria. They recognize each other immediately. They tell Dr. Raul they have known each other for years. Dr. Raul leaves and Dr. Manuel and Dr. Maria start talking. She asks how he likes Fresno, he says he loves it. He tells her she is beautiful, she is blushing a bit. Maria tells him she wants to keep their relationship strictly professional. He asks her if she has ever thought of him in all the years since they've seen each other? Maria says no not so much, especially after what happened. Dr. Manuel asks if she is married? She says no divorced. Manuel leaves and Maria thinks how could he be working here too?
Pigorio is in his office when Panchito comes to see him. Pigorio asks him about the investigation he is conducting over there at El Tal is going about the Mariana problem? Panchito has a sick look on his face, but tells Pigorio he hasn't heard a word about her or seen her either. He asks Panchito if this is really true? Panchito assures him it is true not a word or sighting.
Advances:
Tonio tells Pigorio prepare to die. There is a loaded gun.
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The recap is up now. It took me awhile to do this one. It was full of info again today. Tomorrow there will be a wonderful recap by the Editor in Chief of FUG done by our wonder Lady Anita. I am taking a day off and am looking forward to her marvelous recap. If I missed something or got it wrong please correct/fill in. You are a wonderful bunch of commentators and am glad you continue to comment on our little TN that could!
Thanks again Sweet Madelaine. Your diligence is truly appreciated.
Anita - is that really little Andecito? Looks like his shaved hair grew back and then some.
I am disappointed the writers didn't follow OUR plot line and have Angel pose as Twin Jose. Give him a faux hawk and borrow a tee shirt would have the primos looking convincingly alike.
F1 twisted her ankle twice in those shoes. The second time causing her to fall going up the stairs.
Anita - is that really little Andecito? Looks like his shaved hair grew back and then some.
I am disappointed the writers didn't follow OUR plot line and have Angel pose as Twin Jose. Give him a faux hawk and borrow a tee shirt would have the primos looking convincingly alike.
F1 twisted her ankle twice in those shoes. The second time causing her to fall going up the stairs.
Madelaine thanks so much for your work and enjoy your day off. It's just shocking how the new writing team has made this TN real.
Happy Maria and Manuel have finally seen one another. My guess is to redeem himself he'll have to pick Maria over El Viral, who will be all over him and his $$.
Though our demented duo may stall the wedding, I'm glad their plots rarely work or only for a short amount of time. I just hope Mariana can remain safe.
So who do people think will not make it to the end of this TN. The Pig must die. Tony could be redeemed but his violent streak may be best served in jail. Lucrazy will most likely go to the manicomio. Valentin and car bomb guy may not make it either though V may safe someone; I'm not sure if he has killed in the past.
Happy Maria and Manuel have finally seen one another. My guess is to redeem himself he'll have to pick Maria over El Viral, who will be all over him and his $$.
Though our demented duo may stall the wedding, I'm glad their plots rarely work or only for a short amount of time. I just hope Mariana can remain safe.
So who do people think will not make it to the end of this TN. The Pig must die. Tony could be redeemed but his violent streak may be best served in jail. Lucrazy will most likely go to the manicomio. Valentin and car bomb guy may not make it either though V may safe someone; I'm not sure if he has killed in the past.
Madelaine, this was another super recap. Thank you, thank you! So much conversation today, yikes.
Anita is wonderful and also a Wonder Lady, cute typo.
"Santiago says this time when you come back bring me glazed doughnuts", aye aye aye! He doesn't like the green salsa! At least he didn't pitch a fit so maybe he's not Pigorio's son. But then he got chocolate all over his face and spoke with his mouth full so he could definitely be sloppy Panchito's brother.
I see Panchito is back to his disgusting personal habits, picking his teeth while talking to Nana. Gross. Nana was asking him to intercede with Pigorio on Flor's behalf. He said he would try but Flor was very bad to disobey grandpa. As it turns out he didn't try at all the chicken mierda.
Speaking of mierda, that's precisely what Tonio was today. His love for his daughters was about the only thing going for him. As of today, nopis. Now he a complete ratbastardo as recapper Cheryl says.
As much as I loathe Elvira, I do believe Armando is at fault for what he did to the F girls. He didn't have to do what stupid mommy said. Wimp. However I was cheering when Angel let her have it. As a mother she is crap.
Well hallelujah, the engagement scene was the first time I've seen any chemistry between our two leads.
Speaking of chemistry, Maria and Manuel, kicking it up for the middle-age set, bless them!
Anita is wonderful and also a Wonder Lady, cute typo.
"Santiago says this time when you come back bring me glazed doughnuts", aye aye aye! He doesn't like the green salsa! At least he didn't pitch a fit so maybe he's not Pigorio's son. But then he got chocolate all over his face and spoke with his mouth full so he could definitely be sloppy Panchito's brother.
I see Panchito is back to his disgusting personal habits, picking his teeth while talking to Nana. Gross. Nana was asking him to intercede with Pigorio on Flor's behalf. He said he would try but Flor was very bad to disobey grandpa. As it turns out he didn't try at all the chicken mierda.
Speaking of mierda, that's precisely what Tonio was today. His love for his daughters was about the only thing going for him. As of today, nopis. Now he a complete ratbastardo as recapper Cheryl says.
As much as I loathe Elvira, I do believe Armando is at fault for what he did to the F girls. He didn't have to do what stupid mommy said. Wimp. However I was cheering when Angel let her have it. As a mother she is crap.
Well hallelujah, the engagement scene was the first time I've seen any chemistry between our two leads.
Speaking of chemistry, Maria and Manuel, kicking it up for the middle-age set, bless them!
Who will make it? Hmmm...
The Pig must die. Agreed.
I would love to see LooKrazy in a manicomio.
Tony is a lunatic too. He should end up in jail or the manicomio. Or dead, doesn't matter to me.
Lukas should definitely die, hopefully while fooling around with explosives. Valentin could be helping him at the time, but only after giving a complete data dump to the police about El Pig.
Maria + Manuel = Forever at last
Elvira doomed to a life of lonely poverty. Or maybe in the manicomio with LooKrazy and Tony where they can plot for all eternity. Or dead, she would be less of a pain for her family if she just died. Or maybe she could hook up with Oscar, it would kind of serve them both right.
Pedro + Cameela + Team El Tal run the orphanage where all the lost kiddies end up, including the F Girls and maybe Yenny.
Rennie + Rita = a life of trying to con each other.
Armando + Fab
Angel + Flor
Doris probably ends up back at Brigitte's unless she goes down with El Pig.
The Pig must die. Agreed.
I would love to see LooKrazy in a manicomio.
Tony is a lunatic too. He should end up in jail or the manicomio. Or dead, doesn't matter to me.
Lukas should definitely die, hopefully while fooling around with explosives. Valentin could be helping him at the time, but only after giving a complete data dump to the police about El Pig.
Maria + Manuel = Forever at last
Elvira doomed to a life of lonely poverty. Or maybe in the manicomio with LooKrazy and Tony where they can plot for all eternity. Or dead, she would be less of a pain for her family if she just died. Or maybe she could hook up with Oscar, it would kind of serve them both right.
Pedro + Cameela + Team El Tal run the orphanage where all the lost kiddies end up, including the F Girls and maybe Yenny.
Rennie + Rita = a life of trying to con each other.
Armando + Fab
Angel + Flor
Doris probably ends up back at Brigitte's unless she goes down with El Pig.
Or maybe Doris and Sarita team up to open the only Exotic Costume Shop in Fresno, complete with in-store advice (Sarita) and Rent-a-Masked-Babe (Doris) for special events.
Loved the recap and the comments. I can just see Doris and Sarita in their costume and mask shoppe where you can also rent-a-masqued-babe to escort you to the ball. Hmmm. Brigitte might see it as competition.
I haven't finished watching OR reading, but here are a couple of things I picked up.
El Viral and Maria in the office. Elviral is pithed because Rennie already sued her for divorce. She doesn't think that was fair. She should have been the one to sue *him* for divorce. There've been so many hurtful things going on, this just added to it. Maria does try to have her look on the bright side, that regardless of who is the divorce-r and who is the divorce-e, she's rid of Rennie (and Rita by default).
Yesterday, Dr. Raul told Maria that she would be working directly for the new guy who was coming on board. Today, when he wants to meet her and she's busy, he learns her name is Maria--yes, there are a lot of Marias in the world. Dr. Raul quizzes him a bit whether he had a lost love and Dr. B admits that it was a long time ago.
Valentin and Panchito out among the trees. Valentin is not in the mood for Panchito's foolishness right then because *he,* Valentin doesn't want to end up in the carcel.
Tonio at the door to Mariana's apartment....she especially wants to know to whom did that voice belong that she heard menacing Pedro. Tonio won't tell her, even though she asks several times. She's afraid that this man did her damage some time ago. Tonio tries to turn the tables and says it's Pedro you should be afraid of. Mariana didn't think he is so bad, and that she thought someone had hurt one of his people and he was there to challenge the person.
Tonio is ready to tell her the whole sorry story, but Mariana begs off saying it's TMI just then and she'd be overwhelmed.
The Margarito thing...Pedro actually told Santi ahead of his going outside that Margarito's son had just been murdered. In order to get the donuts, he wants him just to go out and talk to him. Santi is afraid that this is a ruse and the person waiting outside is there from Family Services to snatch him. Pedro assures him he's not. Santi does and after acknowledging that he knows about the loss of Marga's son, he says he's alone in the world. His mother was taken away as an illegal. He doesn't know who his father was, it was just the two of them.
In the kitchen Santi says to Pedro that he doesn't want a father, and Margo says he doesn't want a son, but they agree to be friends.
On the phone to Camila, Pedro pretends that he wants to introduce her to someone, so he'd like her to get dressed up.
Be back later.
Anita
I haven't finished watching OR reading, but here are a couple of things I picked up.
El Viral and Maria in the office. Elviral is pithed because Rennie already sued her for divorce. She doesn't think that was fair. She should have been the one to sue *him* for divorce. There've been so many hurtful things going on, this just added to it. Maria does try to have her look on the bright side, that regardless of who is the divorce-r and who is the divorce-e, she's rid of Rennie (and Rita by default).
Yesterday, Dr. Raul told Maria that she would be working directly for the new guy who was coming on board. Today, when he wants to meet her and she's busy, he learns her name is Maria--yes, there are a lot of Marias in the world. Dr. Raul quizzes him a bit whether he had a lost love and Dr. B admits that it was a long time ago.
Valentin and Panchito out among the trees. Valentin is not in the mood for Panchito's foolishness right then because *he,* Valentin doesn't want to end up in the carcel.
Tonio at the door to Mariana's apartment....she especially wants to know to whom did that voice belong that she heard menacing Pedro. Tonio won't tell her, even though she asks several times. She's afraid that this man did her damage some time ago. Tonio tries to turn the tables and says it's Pedro you should be afraid of. Mariana didn't think he is so bad, and that she thought someone had hurt one of his people and he was there to challenge the person.
Tonio is ready to tell her the whole sorry story, but Mariana begs off saying it's TMI just then and she'd be overwhelmed.
The Margarito thing...Pedro actually told Santi ahead of his going outside that Margarito's son had just been murdered. In order to get the donuts, he wants him just to go out and talk to him. Santi is afraid that this is a ruse and the person waiting outside is there from Family Services to snatch him. Pedro assures him he's not. Santi does and after acknowledging that he knows about the loss of Marga's son, he says he's alone in the world. His mother was taken away as an illegal. He doesn't know who his father was, it was just the two of them.
In the kitchen Santi says to Pedro that he doesn't want a father, and Margo says he doesn't want a son, but they agree to be friends.
On the phone to Camila, Pedro pretends that he wants to introduce her to someone, so he'd like her to get dressed up.
Be back later.
Anita
Ok, I'm back. I don't have much to add. You did a bang up job, Madelaine. My Shakespeare bonnet is off to you (still have it after LQNPA, Shakespeare version).
In the scene where Maria and Manuel are confronting each other, he says he never forgot her, how about Maria? She says no (but we know she's lying). He says, then you never forgave me. She says that's all in the pasado now. She does admit that she is divorced and she's going to *keep* it that way. You feel for the guy. He has high hopes of reconquering her. Outside the door, she's basically saying, why here, why did he show up here.
So now we know the who, what and where about ElViral's and Maria's estrangement--but I don't think we know *everything.*
Lastly, the Piggorio-Panchito tete-a-tete, Piggo is pithoed that Panchito gave him the wrong information about Mariana arriving in Fresno. It's Panchito's *culpa* that two people are DEAD. Well, how do you do, sir--if your plan had gone right, THREE people would be dead. Poor Panchito--he and Valentin are to blame for everything that goes wrong.
How many of you think that El Gordo is just too lively to slowly being poisoned. Maybe it didn't work, thanks to Elvira's ineptness.
I couldn't believe that Armo just stood there dumbfounded when the two girls confronted him. He should have blurted out the whole story right then and there--including his mother's involvement. Then I heard him say later back in the apartment, that he didn't want them to know of his mother's vengeance game. Of course the girls don't know he's Elvira's son, former amante of Don G. and former owner of El Tal.
I loved Doris teasing Lucrecia. I worry about Mariana, though. What could Antonio be concocting in his little head.
See you all tomorrow--probably late in the afternoon or early evening.
Anita
In the scene where Maria and Manuel are confronting each other, he says he never forgot her, how about Maria? She says no (but we know she's lying). He says, then you never forgave me. She says that's all in the pasado now. She does admit that she is divorced and she's going to *keep* it that way. You feel for the guy. He has high hopes of reconquering her. Outside the door, she's basically saying, why here, why did he show up here.
So now we know the who, what and where about ElViral's and Maria's estrangement--but I don't think we know *everything.*
Lastly, the Piggorio-Panchito tete-a-tete, Piggo is pithoed that Panchito gave him the wrong information about Mariana arriving in Fresno. It's Panchito's *culpa* that two people are DEAD. Well, how do you do, sir--if your plan had gone right, THREE people would be dead. Poor Panchito--he and Valentin are to blame for everything that goes wrong.
How many of you think that El Gordo is just too lively to slowly being poisoned. Maybe it didn't work, thanks to Elvira's ineptness.
I couldn't believe that Armo just stood there dumbfounded when the two girls confronted him. He should have blurted out the whole story right then and there--including his mother's involvement. Then I heard him say later back in the apartment, that he didn't want them to know of his mother's vengeance game. Of course the girls don't know he's Elvira's son, former amante of Don G. and former owner of El Tal.
I loved Doris teasing Lucrecia. I worry about Mariana, though. What could Antonio be concocting in his little head.
See you all tomorrow--probably late in the afternoon or early evening.
Anita
Oh, and whatever Panchito and Nana were talking about is inconsequential. The important feature was the teeth picking.
Anita
Anita
Thanks Madelaine, thanks to you and Wonder Lady and Sylvia last week, this show has been such fun.
"Nana and Panchito are having a little confab and Nana is talking about Claudio and Flor and something about Don Francisco?"
Maybe I can help a bit here. Nana (who I think is one of the prettiest women in this) told Pancho that she has noticed that lately Pancho seems to be one of donG's favorites (consentido... actually pampered) so maybe instead of Pancho she should start referring to him as don Francisco.
She wants him to use this influence to help out Flor. He agrees to help but wants Flor to treat him with the respect he deserves.
Also, I understood Tracy to ask Camila if they weren't delaying the wedding too long (I know... ¿Que?) since it gives too much time to Lu and Tony to come up with a plan to thwart the wedding (actually when you think about it... she may have a point there).
After watching Santi eat the donuts and then make more demands, I'm convinced he's the Pig's piglet.
I guess no funeral for Tia Paty and Claudio.
Carlos
"Nana and Panchito are having a little confab and Nana is talking about Claudio and Flor and something about Don Francisco?"
Maybe I can help a bit here. Nana (who I think is one of the prettiest women in this) told Pancho that she has noticed that lately Pancho seems to be one of donG's favorites (consentido... actually pampered) so maybe instead of Pancho she should start referring to him as don Francisco.
She wants him to use this influence to help out Flor. He agrees to help but wants Flor to treat him with the respect he deserves.
Also, I understood Tracy to ask Camila if they weren't delaying the wedding too long (I know... ¿Que?) since it gives too much time to Lu and Tony to come up with a plan to thwart the wedding (actually when you think about it... she may have a point there).
After watching Santi eat the donuts and then make more demands, I'm convinced he's the Pig's piglet.
I guess no funeral for Tia Paty and Claudio.
Carlos
Sylvia, I like your list, especially Doris and Sarita's exotic costume shop.
I hope Panchito will rat out Pig, marry Tracy and inherit El Alcatraz, which they rename El Grosero.
Margarito will adopt Santi, find the lost mama, get her a green card, fall in love, and run the Claudio Orphanage.
Who could be a love interest for Mariana?
I hope Panchito will rat out Pig, marry Tracy and inherit El Alcatraz, which they rename El Grosero.
Margarito will adopt Santi, find the lost mama, get her a green card, fall in love, and run the Claudio Orphanage.
Who could be a love interest for Mariana?
Angel truly is an angel. Armando is wishing he were around weeks ago to tell off his mother since he's not capable.
So Tony had the whole "victim of child abuse" thing going for his redemption, but after the way he treated Flor, the only way he'll get any good is from jail. I'm with Karen on that. Lulu could end up waitressing. Or working at Bridgette's. Or waitressing at Bridgette's. Ha. Doris would love ordering the little brat around.
Panchito. He was like a little terrier running all around Valentin in the orchard. Hell, Panchito! Heel!
I hope Pedro brings that kid some vegetables to go with his doughnuts.
Kelly
So Tony had the whole "victim of child abuse" thing going for his redemption, but after the way he treated Flor, the only way he'll get any good is from jail. I'm with Karen on that. Lulu could end up waitressing. Or working at Bridgette's. Or waitressing at Bridgette's. Ha. Doris would love ordering the little brat around.
Panchito. He was like a little terrier running all around Valentin in the orchard. Hell, Panchito! Heel!
I hope Pedro brings that kid some vegetables to go with his doughnuts.
Kelly
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: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 at 8:01:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 at 8:01:00 PM EDT
Thank all of you for your wonderful comments and thanks to RlaO for the the possible storyline of Angel being the Faux Jose. That would have been good, but Angel is such a stand up guy. I actually hope Flor falls for him on her own. I think they would be great together.
Thanks to Carlos and Anita for the things I missed. Y'all help me alot.
I am going to wait another ten epi's before I give my thoughts on what happens to everyone, but I will say Pig must die definitely and Cameela and Pedro will marry and have lots of kids. I want to see how the others go along first. I think one of the bad ones will be redeemed, but not Pig. He has definitely got the biggest anvil and I hope its really painful.
Thanks to Carlos and Anita for the things I missed. Y'all help me alot.
I am going to wait another ten epi's before I give my thoughts on what happens to everyone, but I will say Pig must die definitely and Cameela and Pedro will marry and have lots of kids. I want to see how the others go along first. I think one of the bad ones will be redeemed, but not Pig. He has definitely got the biggest anvil and I hope its really painful.
Cap'n I loved your list too. I really like some of your ideas about what happens to some of the characters lol.
Pig roast! Pig roast! Pig roast!
Seriously, he should burn slowly and painfully, with an apple jammed in his mouth. A green apple.
Seriously, he should burn slowly and painfully, with an apple jammed in his mouth. A green apple.
Did anyone notice several episodes ago when the girls F1, F2, Tracy and Sarita or Nana were on the porch doing their guy talk and Valentin was in the background just cracking up? It was brief, but it showed a sweet side of him. Was that intentional or is the actor actually sweet in real life and we got a glimpse of that?
Word verification: unglustk. What you try to do to your fingers after using the hot glue gun.
Word verification: unglustk. What you try to do to your fingers after using the hot glue gun.
"I think Elvira should end up working as a maid at Brigitte's." ¡Por supuesto! I like it.
R la O, I think Valentin has a very pleasant face and is probably a sweetheart in real life. He always looks so anguished when El Pig wants him to do something bad, yet he doesn't have the huevos to just say No.
R la O, I think Valentin has a very pleasant face and is probably a sweetheart in real life. He always looks so anguished when El Pig wants him to do something bad, yet he doesn't have the huevos to just say No.
I just saw the advances again and actually Pigorio tells Tonio prepare to die. I got it backwards. But there is a gun. I wonder if someone will be killed?
Julia I laughed like crazy reading your Roast Of Pig, perfect for him with the green apple.
I kind of liked Valentin too. I wonder why he will not stand up to Pigorio? He could always go to Pedro and plead his case. I wonder what the Pig has on him? Did Valentin actually kill someone before?
Julia I laughed like crazy reading your Roast Of Pig, perfect for him with the green apple.
I kind of liked Valentin too. I wonder why he will not stand up to Pigorio? He could always go to Pedro and plead his case. I wonder what the Pig has on him? Did Valentin actually kill someone before?
Madelaine, don't know if you guys remember, but at the beggining if the TN, Valentin and Piggy set fire to El Tal and Matilde, Piggie's love and Mariana's mother inhaled the smoke and her lungs could not take it and that is why she died. So, Valentin even though looks like a good person is not. Remember, Piggy tells him to do his dirty job. I'm sure that they killed Tonio's mother.
Also, for some reason, I believe that Cameela is Dr. B's daughter, and that is how the walking headband is going to get in the way of the doc and Maria.
Also, for some reason, I believe that Cameela is Dr. B's daughter, and that is how the walking headband is going to get in the way of the doc and Maria.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, April 25, 2012 at 7:41:00 AM EDT
: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 at 7:41:00 AM EDT
Anon, I didn't watch the very first epi of this TN and I missed a couple more after the beating of Mariana. I didn't know that Valentin was with Pigorio when El Tal burned. So Valentin is a killer. They did probably kill Mrs. Pigorio. I want to see more flashbacks to see exactly how she died. I had assumed Mrs. Pigorio died of a disease. Maybe not so much.
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