Wednesday, May 02, 2012
El Talismán #66 Wed 5/2/12 A Kiss For Pedro, Tonio Plots
Previously on El Talisman:
Tonio is telling Val that Lucrazy should have killed Pedro when she had the chance.
Today on El Talisman:
Pedro wants to go talk to Mariana.
Flor and Fabi escort Lucrazy back to El Alcatrash. They put Lucrazy to bed and want to call the doctor to get her on some meds. I say right on!
Cameela, Maria and Angel are all in the kitchen, and Cameela tells them about what Lucrazy tried to do to Pedro. Maria says she needs serious help. Angel says he and Army should be on their way to school, and where is he anyway? Cameela says he is in his room with the Gasbag El Viral.
El Viral, the gasbag, is still spewing her poisonious fumes at Army about her the dinero es MIO, El Cheque es MIO. Army with his new avacadoes tells her sorry shut it already about the dinero and the cheque, because you don't get the money, cause you know full well Papa gambled El Tal away. El Viral thought bubbles in that pea brain of hers, why doesn't anyone understand her? Please!!!!!
Army comes out of his room and tells Cameela that his Mama was still talking about MI CHEQUE. Cameela rolls her eyes, Army and Angel go and Maria says she is going too. She asks Cameela what she is doing? Cameela says she is going to El Tal.
Mariana is in her room trying on clothes. She wants to wear something pretty and can't make up her mind. She ends up wearing what she has on. She is thinking of Pedro, she wonders if she is in love with him. Dr Manuel calls Mariana and asks if Pedro made it there yet? She says no she is still waiting. He tells her to stay calm and it is important for her to talk to Pedro.
Cameela is waiting to go to El Tal and dreading the poisonious fumes of her Mama if she comes out of her room ,when there is a knock on the door. It is Tonio loaded for bear again. He is extremely pithed off and wants to know where Army is? He is screaming and yelling for him and Cameela is yelling he isn't there. El Viral, instead of helping her daughter, hides behind the door and listens for anything she can use. Cameela tells him to leave. Oh, he isn't leaving until he talks to Army. Cameela has to tell him again he's not there and she doesn't know when he's coming back and to, wait for it, LARGATE. Tonio tells her Army better never come near his girls again, and if he does he'll kill him. Cameela wants to know what all this is about. He tells her, I think a little of Army's scam. Cameela says her brother is a good kid and to leave him alone. He threatens Army again. She tells him to Largate she is going to El Tal. He asks her what she is going there for. She tells him she loves Pedro and only Pedro. Tonio insults Pedro and calls him an indio and besides he's already married to Mariana. Cameela says you found her to break up my wedding didn't you? He tells Cameela you WILL be my mujer for better or worse, get used to it, grabs her chin and is yelling at her. She is scared to death. Gabe and Padre come just in time and make him stop. Padre wants to know if he treats all women like this? Tonio tells Padre something about not being in church for awhile. Tonio leaves. Padre and Gabe ask Cameela if she is ok? She says she's fine. They all leave. El Viral is still behind that door and did nothing to help Cameela.
Pedro is in the truck and pulls over and says a little prayer for Mariana to please get her memory back. He sees Santiago on the street, he calls to him and Santiago starts to run, this time Pedro catches up and Santiago calls him a liar and wanting the police to catch him. Pedro explains for legal reasons he has to do this, but he will marry Cameela and they will adopt him. That stops Santiago for a minute, but then he calls Pedro a liar and says you are already married to Mariana. Pedro tells him he is divorcing Mariana and then marrying Cameela and they will adopt him. He calls Pedro a liar and runs.
Dr. Manuel is in the office and Maria comes in. They both look at each other like they like each other, but try so hard to hide it. Not hard enough I say. Dr. Manuel is staring at Maria, and she tells him it bothers her. He tells her she is beautiful and he so wants to hook up (oops I mean get to know her again), but she says it is impossible and you know why, wait for it, yeah El Viral. He tries to convince her they would be great together, he is happy he found her again, but Maria stops him cold, by saying don't try to convince me, and by the way El Gasbag, sorry, El Viral knows you're here in Fresno.
Fabi, Flor and Nana are talking about Cameela and how they will never accept her as daddy's new wife. Tracy overhears and asks them, just where did you hear this gossip? They tell her straight from the horse's mouth. Tracy tells them, never gonna happen. Pedro and Cameela are so in love, Cameela hates Tonio. Flor and Fabi say isn't Pedro already married to Mariana? Tracy tells them that yes, he is, but it is complicated, but in any case Cameela will never marry Tonio. Lucrazy is in her bed and hears this and just smiles. (Someone please give her some sleeptime tea) jus' saying. After this Tracy and Nana are alone and are talking about Pedro and Cameela, and Nana says the girls are right, Pedro is married to Mariana.
Mariana is still waiting for Pedro. Pedro finally makes it to Mariana's. She answers the door and he asks her if he can come in. She says of course. She is a little shy with him. She tells him to take a seat, but he just stands there. Pedro asks her if she remembers anything? He tells her to be calm and it will come back to her little by little. She wants to know why she left (I think). Pedro doesn't know. She wants to know what he feels for her? He says they have always been like brother and sister. She wants to know why they married. Pedro tells her because she was embrazada. She wants to know who the father was? He tells her Tonio. She is just stunned and can't beleive it. She wants to know if Tonio raped her, Pedro tells her no, she was in love with Tonio, but he only wanted El Tal. She just can't beleive it. She wants to know where the baby is and Pedro has to tell her the baby is dead. I think he tells her Pigorio had something to do with it. She doesn't remember anything about it. He tells her to be calm and she says so many horrible things happened. He tells her they were friends and her Papa knew before he died she was pregnant so in order to protect her from the Negretes he married her to give the baby a name. He asks her to please beleive him. He tells her she saved his life when he came to Fresno. She tells him she believes him and puts her hands on his face, and with longing in her eyes she kisses him. He isn't fighting it either. He looks stunned once the kiss ends and she has tears in her eyes. She asks if he still feels she is like a sister, he says yes. She tells him she has more feelings than a sister for him. Pedro tells Mariana that he is not the man for her. He just wants her to remember her past, her memory and he wants her to have a good life. He tells Mariana the only woman for him is Cameela. He tells her he is divorcing her so he can marry Cameela. He is now a little impatient with her. Cameela is the only love of his life. Mariana doesn't beleive him. Pedro tells Mariana he didn't mean to upset her and apologizes. He asks if she is ok? She says she beleives what he is saying, but is he sure he isn't in love with her?
Fabi and Flor are at school and Fabi tells Flor if Tonio marries Cameela she is leaving. Flor starts crying and says no please don't leave me alone there. Flor tells Fabi she beleives what Tracy said. They hug each other and thank Dios that they are sisters. They have a plaid blanket and sit down on it and talk about poor Lucrazy and then Army.
Lucrazy is in the parlor and Doris comes in. Lucrazy tells her I don't have time for your jokes. I tried to kill Pedro. Just leave me in peace. (What was noone listening? Why didn't they make Lucrazy that sleepytime tea?). Anyways, Doris tells her her obession is going to land her in the carcel. Doris I think tells her one day she will be the duena of El Alcatrash and that she has a lover, but won't tell Lucrazy who it is. Lucrazy rolls her eyes. There is a knock on the door and it is a letter from the court. Lucrazy takes it, it was meant for Tonio, and it is a lawsuit that Rennie filed against Tonio. Lucrazy doesn't look happy. Lucrazy calls Tonio on his cell and tells him about it. He is pithed. He had been stalking Mariana's apt building parking lot, but saw Pedro's truck there. This makes him even more pithed off. He is going to wait in the parking lot.
Pancho is visiting Pigorio in the hospital again and Pigorio is getting the gossip about what Lucrazy did. Pigorio insists that Lucrazy is NOT going to jail over this. I think Panchito said something about the manicomio but Pigorio nixes the idea. Pigorio says he wants out of the hospital bed and to go home to El Alcatrash, and he wants Panchito's help. Panchito says no, he needs to stay and get better. Dr. Raul comes in, and Pigorio says something like oh, where is my doctor, and Raul tells him he is it. Pigorio is not down with that.
Rennie and Rita are at the apartment talking about el dinero, when there is a knock on the door. They hope it's good news. Well it is, cause it's, wait for it, Panchito with the check Pigorio promised them. Panchito asks Rennie how he's doing, and Rennie tells him not good, very bad and to let Pigorio know. Panchito gives them the check and the stinkeye up and down and then leaves. They open the envelope and are happy with the cheque.
El Viral, the obessed with el cheque is mio, is at the hospital and asks about Dr. Bermudez. She says she is a friend of his, hasn't seen him in a long time and is he available? The receptionist says he is busy right now, but she wants to wait. She asks the woman if Dr. Bermudez is married, the woman gives her the stinkeye and says that's a little personal and we can't give out that info. In any case El Viral, now a stalker, will wait.
Meanwhile, Maria and Manuel are in the office, not saying anything aloud, but sure thinking it. They really like each other, but Maria will never tell, never say never I say. Manuel's phone rings, and Maria asks if maybe he shouldn't answer it. It might be Mariana. He says naw. He tells her about Marinana and how he found her. She likes what he did, but says she is pressed for time because she is meeting Angel her son. Manuel wants her to wait. He wants to talk about what happened in the past with them. He says El Viral never meant anything to him, she just basically used him. Maria says careful what you say, cause I may not like all she did, but she is my sister. She says her and El Viral are very different, or he says it. Anyways, she has to go, but she says something about El Viral's kids I didn't get.
Army and Angel are at the college and Army tells Angel if only he could see Fabi to talk to her. He wants Angel's help I think, but Angel has to go meet Mama. Fabi, Flor and their friends are by a tree and spy on Army and Angel. Fabi's friends try to convince Fabi to go talk to Army, but she won't go,even though you can tell she wants to.
Tomorrow on El Talisman:
Tonio comes to see Mariana with that fake newspaper article he had made about Pedro killing her.
Pedro and Cameela come to see Mariana and she is extremely pithed off at them and shows them the article.
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This epi was good, but I felt so sorry for Mariana. The poor thing, in love with Pedro. But I think once her memory comes back, she'll be fine. I don't like the advances though. We all know what Tonio is plotting. Speaking of Tonio, he is sooo obsessed, worse than Lucrazy. Poor Cameela, Tonio will not take no as an answer.
I am liking Manuel and Maria, but with the stakerazi on the loose, no MANUEL POR VOUS, she'll try. But we all know, Manuel has her number.
I am liking Manuel and Maria, but with the stakerazi on the loose, no MANUEL POR VOUS, she'll try. But we all know, Manuel has her number.
Just a month ago who would have thought we'd have a comment starting "this epi was good". I just read your recap, enjoyed it, and am looking forward to seeing it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Another super recap from Madelaine. Thanks amiga!
My hero of the day is Doc Raul. I loved it when Pigorio told him "Estoy harta!" and Doc fired right back "And I'm sick and tired too!"
There sure are a lot of stalkers in this telenovela.
I thought it was hilarious that Rita couldn't resist pushing Rennie's buttons by saying he still had to live in fear that la vieja loca La Elvira might still show up at any moment. He looked very cranky afterward.
Maria and Manuel...it's only a matter of time for those two. They can't even concentrate on their work when they are in the same room.
R la O, isn't it amazing that 1) we are getting some good episodes and 2) the actors are actually acting? Remember when Pedro was sleepwalking through every scene?
Great job Madelaine. Thanks!
My hero of the day is Doc Raul. I loved it when Pigorio told him "Estoy harta!" and Doc fired right back "And I'm sick and tired too!"
There sure are a lot of stalkers in this telenovela.
I thought it was hilarious that Rita couldn't resist pushing Rennie's buttons by saying he still had to live in fear that la vieja loca La Elvira might still show up at any moment. He looked very cranky afterward.
Maria and Manuel...it's only a matter of time for those two. They can't even concentrate on their work when they are in the same room.
R la O, isn't it amazing that 1) we are getting some good episodes and 2) the actors are actually acting? Remember when Pedro was sleepwalking through every scene?
Great job Madelaine. Thanks!
Oh, Madelaine, I love you to pieces. This is my late night -- can't wait to read your recap!
Permalink posted by 
: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 at 5:03:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 at 5:03:00 PM EDT
At the end, the thing that Manuel said to Maria was "Poor you, having to live with Elvira and be loaded down with her children." Then she got pithed and said the kids are good and Manuel is the last person to say anything about them. Hmmm...I wonder what she meant by that? Who was it suggested that one of la vieja loca's kids might be his?
Thanks for the recap Madelaine; it was a good episode. I just wish things would move a little faster. Poor Pedro couldn't have Mariana go to the police (not the fake newspaper) or her former doctor to get the truth?
Tony is a beast to all women. For that alone he needs to go to jail or worse. He's beyond stalker; he's a loon willing to use violence against women to get his way.
Sylvia - I hope the gasbag is lying about Manuel b/c I can't be happy for Maria to be with someone who fell for her horrible sister. I'm sticking with my theory that the Virus pulled the typical bad woman stunt; she drugged him and made it look like they were together. He keeps saying how ambitious "El Cheque" is.
Tony is a beast to all women. For that alone he needs to go to jail or worse. He's beyond stalker; he's a loon willing to use violence against women to get his way.
Sylvia - I hope the gasbag is lying about Manuel b/c I can't be happy for Maria to be with someone who fell for her horrible sister. I'm sticking with my theory that the Virus pulled the typical bad woman stunt; she drugged him and made it look like they were together. He keeps saying how ambitious "El Cheque" is.
Thanks so much for the great comments.
Thanks Rosemary la Otra for the comment about "this epi is good", these new writers are fab.
Thank you Cap'n for what I missed. That is too funny what Doc Raul said to Pigorio, especially how he knows Pigorio's true story. I thought that Maria said something about El Viral's kids but couldn't catch what it was. Who ever thought that one of El Viral's kids is his, may be right.
Rita really gave it to Rennie lol. I loved that prune face. These two always make the best faces lol. Loved the face Panchito gave to the two of them, especially looking them up and down too funny.
I am liking how manly Pedro is now. He used to be such a wimp. Army too. I like that the both of them now have avacadoes.
Thanks Rosemary la Otra for the comment about "this epi is good", these new writers are fab.
Thank you Cap'n for what I missed. That is too funny what Doc Raul said to Pigorio, especially how he knows Pigorio's true story. I thought that Maria said something about El Viral's kids but couldn't catch what it was. Who ever thought that one of El Viral's kids is his, may be right.
Rita really gave it to Rennie lol. I loved that prune face. These two always make the best faces lol. Loved the face Panchito gave to the two of them, especially looking them up and down too funny.
I am liking how manly Pedro is now. He used to be such a wimp. Army too. I like that the both of them now have avacadoes.
I guess Genoveva really did cure the avocados. Good thing she was on the job; Camila couldn't be bothered.
Thanks, Madelaine, this is great. My favorite line:
"(What was noone listening? Why didn't they make Lucrazy that sleepytime tea?)"
...even though I enjoy Lu's crazy babbling (or is it her outfits?)
I'm convinced that Armando (and likely Angel) is Manuel's kid. He told Maria that he and his wife couldn't have children but then Magaly showed up and the took her in like a daughter. Maria then thought bubbled:
"Ay Manuel, si tú supieras."
supieras is the imperfect subjunctive of saber which translates to:
"Ay Manuel, if you only knew."
That made me suspect that Angel is his and the part that Sylvia already translated makes me certain of Armando.
Oh, and at first Elvira was going to wait but then the receptionist asked her if she is Maria's sister, she said no (for reasons only known to her) and then decided that she had to go.
For some reason I found Pedro's attempt at getting Mariana to remember hilarious.
Carlos
"(What was noone listening? Why didn't they make Lucrazy that sleepytime tea?)"
...even though I enjoy Lu's crazy babbling (or is it her outfits?)
I'm convinced that Armando (and likely Angel) is Manuel's kid. He told Maria that he and his wife couldn't have children but then Magaly showed up and the took her in like a daughter. Maria then thought bubbled:
"Ay Manuel, si tú supieras."
supieras is the imperfect subjunctive of saber which translates to:
"Ay Manuel, if you only knew."
That made me suspect that Angel is his and the part that Sylvia already translated makes me certain of Armando.
Oh, and at first Elvira was going to wait but then the receptionist asked her if she is Maria's sister, she said no (for reasons only known to her) and then decided that she had to go.
For some reason I found Pedro's attempt at getting Mariana to remember hilarious.
Carlos
I thought y'all might get a kick out of this video. It was done way before El Tal started filming. It was done in Nov 2010 with a singer named Benedetta on an Italian talent show.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLsWIOAkbk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLsWIOAkbk
Oh, Julia you are too funny!
Thanks Carlos for what I missed. You know Maria may have been only talking about Armando. I don't know I guess we will have to see.
Thanks Carlos for what I missed. You know Maria may have been only talking about Armando. I don't know I guess we will have to see.
Carlos, well that nails it then. I missed Maria's "If you only knew".
Madelaine, that youtube link didn't work for me.
Madelaine, that youtube link didn't work for me.
Sorry about the link, after I posted I tried it too and it didn't work. Look on youtube for Lola Ponce El Talisman and it should come up. It is a video she did singing the theme song with Benedetta an Italian singer. And watch the guy that is a judge on the side.
Wow, that Lola is some hot stuff. She sure knows how to move it. You're so right, watching the judge was a hoot. And she speaks Italian fluently too. Again, wow!
Madelaine, thanks for the terrific recap.
I am going to need a flow chart before long to keep tract of everyone's family tree. This is really becoming convoluted.
Rosemary Primera
I am going to need a flow chart before long to keep tract of everyone's family tree. This is really becoming convoluted.
Rosemary Primera
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, May 2, 2012 at 9:41:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 at 9:41:00 PM EDT
Madelaine, thanks for the terrific recap.
I am going to need a flow chart before long to keep tract of everyone's family tree. This is really becoming convoluted.
Rosemary Primera
I am going to need a flow chart before long to keep tract of everyone's family tree. This is really becoming convoluted.
Rosemary Primera
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, May 2, 2012 at 9:41:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 at 9:41:00 PM EDT
I must say that IF Armando, or even Camila, is Manuel's offspring, or even IF Tia Maria thinks that is so, then what a class act she is for loving the love-child of the man she loved and her sister. Tia Maria is more loving towards Elvira's children than Elvira.
What an opposite reaction than the one Alfonsina has towards Elisa.
What an opposite reaction than the one Alfonsina has towards Elisa.
Oh, btw my recap for Thursday will be in the late afternoon or early evening. I just wanted to let y'all know.
I was thinking that Maria was refering to Angel when she made that comment to Manuel, except that they were also talking about daughters, so maybe Camila? It just seems that if Elvira got preggers by Manuel, she would've used it to get money from him somehow. Ok, it's Angel. He's a good boy and should have a good papa.
What is the problem with those girls that they still think Camila would marry their father? Don't they know about Lulu and the gun and the wedding that did NOT include their father? They should be smarter than that, especially Flor. Someone should tell them Antonio was egging Lulu on. That'd fix him.
Kelly
What is the problem with those girls that they still think Camila would marry their father? Don't they know about Lulu and the gun and the wedding that did NOT include their father? They should be smarter than that, especially Flor. Someone should tell them Antonio was egging Lulu on. That'd fix him.
Kelly
Permalink posted by : Thursday, May 3, 2012 at 12:03:00 AM EDT
: Thursday, May 3, 2012 at 12:03:00 AM EDT
So no one is going to join me in thinking that both boys are sons of Manuel? I think that it is perfectly consistent with the wackiness of this show.
We know that Elvira was married when she slept with Manuel and that Maria was his novia. Both boys are about the same age and the way she said, "Ay Manuel, if you only knew." seemed to have a very personal tone to it. Then of course he was talking about Elvira's kids when Maria chided him.
Before today, I thought that Camila was probably his child. Of course I've often been woefully wrong in my predictions.
Carlos
We know that Elvira was married when she slept with Manuel and that Maria was his novia. Both boys are about the same age and the way she said, "Ay Manuel, if you only knew." seemed to have a very personal tone to it. Then of course he was talking about Elvira's kids when Maria chided him.
Before today, I thought that Camila was probably his child. Of course I've often been woefully wrong in my predictions.
Carlos
Carlos, if both Elvira and Maria got knocked up by Manuel, would Armando and Angel be Primermanos? Hermanimos? You are right, them being primos and hermanos would be consistent with this show's crazy plots. We know nothing about Maria's husband and past, but we do know that Elvira is a schemer who has affairs. If it is Camila who is Manuel's kid then she and Mariana would be like sisters since Mariana is Manuel's "daughter". It's all very confusing.
JAJA. "Primermanos." That explains why they both wear such goofy shoes.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, May 3, 2012 at 7:10:00 AM EDT
: Thursday, May 3, 2012 at 7:10:00 AM EDT
While this show is wacky, Tia Maria is a class act, as R la Otra noted, and that's a lot of drama to work through and/with. Though Carlos and Sylvia have brought really good examples and evidence, until this depressing fact is revealed I prefer to think Manuel may have been dumb but not stupid. And anything that looked incriminating is b/c the Virus set it up that way.
Kelly - you bring up the interesting thing about F&F. They seem to be sheltered from most of the complete insanity the adults around them do. Its almost a farce the extent to which they don't know how utterly depraved their mother, father, aunt, and grandfather are.
Kelly - you bring up the interesting thing about F&F. They seem to be sheltered from most of the complete insanity the adults around them do. Its almost a farce the extent to which they don't know how utterly depraved their mother, father, aunt, and grandfather are.
I was able to watch this episode yesterday.
Am glad they have manned up Pedro. The look on his face when he realized Mariana thinks she's in love with him was priceless.
I too thought Cam is Manuel's daughter. But after reading the comments here am rethinking all this. Has the brother gotten a job yet?
Have they shortened this TN because I could not believe Tone showed his true self to Cam. So she's just a possession to him?
Again, they are relying on a newspaper for today's events, what happened to computers, what happened to the police guy, why didn't Pedro take something that would be a reminder, like her missing poster? And will anyone keep Tracy quiet? Her roles seems to be the storyteller, what a misuse of a character.
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Am glad they have manned up Pedro. The look on his face when he realized Mariana thinks she's in love with him was priceless.
I too thought Cam is Manuel's daughter. But after reading the comments here am rethinking all this. Has the brother gotten a job yet?
Have they shortened this TN because I could not believe Tone showed his true self to Cam. So she's just a possession to him?
Again, they are relying on a newspaper for today's events, what happened to computers, what happened to the police guy, why didn't Pedro take something that would be a reminder, like her missing poster? And will anyone keep Tracy quiet? Her roles seems to be the storyteller, what a misuse of a character.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, May 3, 2012 at 12:48:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, May 3, 2012 at 12:48:00 PM EDT
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