Monday, August 13, 2012
Amor Bravío #1-2 (Uni 1) Mon 8/13/12 (Untamed Love) Series Premiere
Capitulos 1 & 2 (Mexican Broadcast Sequence): Nightmares Come True
Location Unknown: We see a beautiful bride running through a wood with blood on her gown and a handsome groom with blood on his vest running also through a wood. They appear to meet, as flamenco music plays in the background. Then they both wake and we realize that they are miles apart and were both having the same nightmare.
Once Upon a Time in Mexico, at an upscale bridal shop: Camila Monterde, the bride, is out of our view at the outset, trying on a bridal gown. She has just related the events of her nightmare to her mother, Augustina, and her younger sister, Ximena, the latter of whom taunts her with the possibility that this is an evil premonition that she should not marry. Augustina is scandalized at her attitude and sure that this is merely an expression of Camila being nervous before the wedding. Camila is determined that nothing will interfere with her her happiness at her wedding. Asking if her mother and sister are ready, she makes her entrance. She is beautiful as well as confident. It is evident that her sister is bored, envious, annoyed, or perhaps all three as Camila models the dress to their mother's joyous praise. Perhaps significantly, it is not the dress in her nightmare.
Once Upon the Same Time in Chile, at a gentlemen's formalwear store: Daniel Diaz Acosta, the groom, has related the nightmare to Ágatha, his mother. She appears concerned until he steps into the room in his bridegroom's attire, which includes a dark grey morning coat and ascot. Ágatha sheds tears of joy at the sight of her tall, handsome son and embraces him.
Mexico, bridal shop: Ximena is determined to be a bitch and Augustina is not having it.
Ximena: Ay, mother, don't be ridiculous! Don't cry.
Augustina: You will understand the emotion when you are a mother and see your daughter in her bridal gown.
Ximena: I don't think that will happen because I don't want to get married or have children.
Camila: I think you'll think differently when you meet the man of your life and you fall in love.
Ximena: For me to agree to be with a man he must have everything I want.
Augustina: Ximena! Those are not the words of a decent woman!
Ximena: Those are the words of an intelligent woman, Mama. A woman has to think about the man with whom she spends the rest of her life. Speaking of your –
Camila: Listen! Don't talk negatively. When you meet the man of your life you won't need anybody else.
Ximena: Like you?
Camila: Exactly like it happened to me.
Chile, formalwear store: We learn there is a conflict.
Daniel: I'm madly in love.
Ágatha: There's nothing wrong with the Galindos, just that you're changing your religion for her –
Daniel: Mother, please! Let's not start that again. Understand this, for me there is only one God and my faith won't change. But this is the only way I can marry her. Oh, I've got to tell you, we're having our honeymoon in Mexico. (The music portends doom as Ágatha's face takes on a look of shock)
Daniel: Mother, please! Let's not start that again. Understand this, for me there is only one God and my faith won't change. But this is the only way I can marry her. Oh, I've got to tell you, we're having our honeymoon in Mexico. (The music portends doom as Ágatha's face takes on a look of shock)
Ágatha: In Mexico?
Daniel: You don't like the idea? You once told me that you spent the best chapters of your life there.
Daniel: You don't like the idea? You once told me that you spent the best chapters of your life there.
Ágatha: Yes.
Obviously, there is also a secret.
Mexico, bridal shop: As the seamstress and her assistant attend Camila, Augustina and Ximena disagree again. Ximena is sarcastic on how Camila had a six-year engagement during her studies and is “breaking all the rules” and how could Augustina expect them to believe in marriage after her bad example? Augustina responds that she hopes that they have learned enough not to repeat her mistakes.
Chile, formalwear store: Ágatha tells Daniel to fight for love. He senses that there is something behind this statement but she evades his questions as they exit the shop.
Split-screen view of the mothers and their adult offspring departing the shops as the intendeds arrive. Camila runs into the arms of Luis and Daniel embraces Miriam to the sound of the orchestra swelling. Both couples exchange declarations of love.
Monterrey: In comic costume versions of bridalwear (the veil appears to be made with tissue or paper towels) Camila and Luis celebrate with their friends, who pour champagne and cheer them on. After numerous glasses of champagne Luis hands the car keys to Camila, who is reluctant to drive on the caratera at night. Ximena taunts her about this.
Santiago de Chile: To the sound of serious violin music, Daniel and Miriam walk toward the chuppa, pausing so he can put her face veil forward. He wears a yamulke. The guests are formally dressed (the women very conservatively) and gender-segregated. Ágatha cries as they step up under the chuppa where the elderly rabbi awaits.
Monterrey: Luis proposes a toast to his bride and downs a shot of tequila. We wonder how many he has already had. They finally exit to the parking lot in their street clothes, with Luis getting into the car on the passenger side.
Santiago de Chile: The wedding goes on and we see close-ups of Abraham and Dante, Miriam's brother and his handsome best friend. We do not hear the words of the ceremony, but the bridal veil is lifted, they drink the wine, the tallit is placed on them by her brother as they present the rings, and Daniel trods on the wrapped wine glass. All the guest shout “Mazel tov!” Bride and groom kiss.
Monterrey: Luis is a little drunk, making more superlative statements of his love and Camila's beauty as she drives. He reaches over to kiss her. She protests. They do not see the oncoming truck until it is too late and the impact is more on the passenger side than the driver's.
Santiago de Chile: Miriam and Daniel exchange words of love. They do a slow romantic dance on a glass sheet covering the pool [What the dickens?]. Later all the guests dance the horah. Men and women are dancing together in a circle; the women's clothes are more festive.
Monterrey: The car has overturned and Camila calls out to the unconscious Luis. She crawls out of the car, telling him to talk to her. His face is covered in blood. She begins shouting for help.
Santiago de Chile: Daniel is welcomed into the family by Abraham. Miriam is a little surprised. The couple kiss again as the guests wave white handkerchiefs and they return to the glass floor for another slow dance. However, the music changes to some fast Latin music, other guests go to that floor and begin dancing. It shatters and we see panic on the other guests' faces and blood in the water.
Monterrey, Hospital Waiting Room: Ximena yells at her mother not to cry as Augustina worries about Camila and Luis. Another young woman (perhaps a friend) is there with them. A doctor enters calling for the families of Camila Monterde and Luis del Olmo just as Luis' parents enter. The doctor explains that Camila suffered multiple fractures of the left leg and contusions but all has been corrected in the operating room and she will make a full recovery. However Luis is critical, with massive internal injuries. He is fighting for his life. His mother becomes hysterical.
Santiago de Chile: Daniel is riding in the ambulance at Miriam's side. He is covered with a towel. She is unconscious and in a neck brace. He begs the paramedic to save her. An oxygen mask is placed on her.
Camila's Hospital Room: Camila lies in a neck brace and with her left leg in a cast and a splint. She has a bruise on her left cheek. She asks her mother about Luis, but Augustina hesitates to tell her anything definitive. She asks Ximena who replies “He's in intensive care. They think he is dying.” Camila becomes hysterical and tries to get out of bed. Augustina sends Ximena to get help.
Luis's Hospital Room [Note: Mexican broadcast placed the episode division in this scene] : He is also in a neck brace, his head wrapped in bandages, and bruises all over the right side of his face. The doctor allows Camila to enter, pushed in a wheelchair by a nurse. Luis wakes up for her, calling her “Princesa”. As she implores him not to leave her, he says he is dying. The music turns sad. She begins to cry as he tells her to be happy although he will not be with her. His last words are “Te amo” as he the monitor shows the flat line. Camila shouts for help as she tries to restart his heart by punching his chest. The nurse pulls Camila's wheelchair back as the doctor checks Luis.
Santiago de Chile, Hospital Waiting Room: Daniel and Ágatha must have been waiting a while, as his clothes are drying out. Abraham says “I can't believe my sister's wedding is ending in a nightmare, a tragedy” and Dante, a friend, says it was an accident. A female doctor enters and asks Daniel to accompany her.
Monterrey, Hospital Waiting Room: Camila cries as Augustina attempts to comfort her. Ximena says and does nothing. She also shows no emotion.
Miriam's Hospital Room: Miriam has survived the accident with no facial injuries. She and Daniel talk about how they cannot live without each other and how they want to have a family as soon as possible.
Monterrey, Funeral Parlour: Luis' parents attempt to comfort each other. Augustina and Ximena pay their respects, leaving Camila in the doorway in her wheelchair. Maja, her beautiful and friendly-looking dog (possibly a Great Pyranees) is at her side. She cries quietly, remembering her first meeting with Luis when they were students.
Hotel: Daniel carries Miriam across the lobby and down the stairs to the outside and they re-enact their proposal. He gives her her diamond ring he retrieved from the bottom of the pool.
Mexico; Funeral Parlour: Camila continues to think of her happy memories of Luis, split-screened at first with Daniel and Miriam on their honeymoon, then showing only images of Camila and Luis, including when he gave her Maja. When we come back to Camila she pets Maja, who leans into her in the comforting manner unique to large, soft dogs. Ximena steps away from Luis' parents and his mother approaches Camila, demanding to know “What are you doing here? You killed my son!” She becomes hysterical and her husband attempts to hold her back. Camila shouts back that she did not kill Luis. Luis' mother continues to screech at her, restrained by her husband. Augustina is distressed while Ximena looks amused and we know that she somehow instigated this outburst.
Hotel: Daniel and Miriam walk around near the pool, talking about a future trip with his mother accompanying them.
Monterde Home: Shortly after the funeral, Camila sits on a couch, her leg elevated, as she pets Maja. She remembers the nightmare and goes on incoherently while continuing to pet her dear dog. The love song is heard in the background. In another room, Augustina and Ximena are arguing about what Ximena did at the funeral. Both these women are shrill harpies with sharp claws.
Augustina: But how could you do this?
Ximena: I what?
Augustina: You what? You what? You always have the same question. You should have kept your mouth shut, little girl!
Ximena: I didn't know that Luis' mother knew that (sarcastic) my dear sister was driving at the time of the accident. I said that whoever was driving was responsible for what happened to the car, no?
Augustina: Shut up!
Ximena: No! I won't shut up! Sooner or later Luis' mother would find out that Camila was driving. Thank God that she hasn't brought charges against her because she would be in gaol now.
Augustina: Don't you realize that Camila is innocent? The truck driver crashed into the side of the car, killing Luis. He is the only guilty party!
Ximena: Oh, please, mother, listen! (nurse wheels Camila into the room) If my sister had gotten out of the way Luis would have survived. She is responsible for Luis' death!
Augustina (grabbing her arm, almost through gritted teeth): Don't ever say that again!
Camila (still crying): It's my fault Luis died. (The doorbell rings; Ximena exits)
Augustina (kneeling in front of Camila): No, daughter.
Camila: I killed him. I killed him and for that reason Luis isn't here with me. (cries harder as Ximena returns with Don Daniel, a distinguished gentleman clad in a black traje de charro with a plain jacket) I can't live without him, Mama.
Don Daniel: No, daughter; that I will not permit. (kisses her forehead, then kneels next to her) It was an accident; the law has said so. I would have been here sooner but I hadn't heard; I was on a trip. There was nothing else you could have done. I won't be apart from you. (looking at Augustina and Ximena, the latter of whom has her arms crossed) I want you to come to live with me at the ranch. (to Camila) Yes, yes. I want you to distance yourself from this tragedy. (the music changes to something more optimistic in tone) You'll recover the movement in your leg, (looks at the others) You'll come with me.
Ximena: Ay, no, no, no. I don't think I want to live on a ranch. No, no, no.
Don Daniel: Ximena, why can't you think a little of Camila, so she can forget everything that's happened? (Ximena gives what will be her characteristic petulant look)
He continues to comfort Camila, offering her his care and protection. This man would have been a wonderful father. Augustina looks concerned while Ximena is as bratty as ever.
Santiago de Chile, Cemeterio General (a month later): Daniel and Miriam visit his mother's grave. He kneels before it to pray.
La Malquerida: We get tiled-screened views of bulls being herded over the sounds of guitars and castanets. We finally see the interior as Padre Baldomero arrives to breakfast with Don Daniel. He delivers the sad news that Ágatha Acosta died a few days previously.
Cemeterio General: As Daniel and Miriam leave the cemetery he speaks of his mother's illness and his feelings of guilt about not having adequate funds to pay for the last trip he wanted to take her on because he had been out of work. He had borrowed money for her medical treatment but is currently unable to repay. She tries to assure him he was not at fault and offers to help him pay back the loan as she inherited money from her parents. He is miffed at this, afraid that others would think him a fortune hunter who married her for her inheritance. She suggests they travel to Mexico, but he is not inclined.
Dining Room: Don Daniel is sad; he had not thought of Ágatha in a long time. The padre then tells him that he heard the news from Alonso's secretary whose mother had been in touch with the family. Ágatha had returned to Chile because of land she inherited from her parents ultimately divorced her husband, José Julián Díaz, and has a son who is 33 years old and named Daniel. This is an impactful revelation to Don Daniel.
La Malquerido: To the sounds of ranchera music, Camila is at work with an attractive young ranch hand. She has fully recovered from the accident, at least physically, and is excellent spirits working with animals. Augustina arrives to tell her that breakfast is being served and suggests that she also think of the possibility of looking for love. Oh, really, Augustina, now we see why Ximena is so superficial.
Santiago de Chile: Daniel and Miriam share a kiss in the square and walk off.
La Malquerido: Alonso comes up from behind, startling Camila and addressing her as “Princesa”. This man is a predator in business wear and she should be able to recognize that [We need to determine what species of reptile he is; I'm thinking Komodo Dragon.].
Alonso: What are you thinking about, Princesa?
Camila: Don't call me 'Princesa,' please, Alonso.
Alonso (laughing, with a predatory grin): If you are –
Camila: I don't like it and I've told you that numerous times.
Alonso: I thought that –
Camila: Sooner or later you better get that.
Alonso: I have a surprise for you.
Camila (wishing she could roll her eyes): Aha!
Alonso: You want to know?
Camila (trying to joke): No, I am not curious.
Alonso: I spoke with my mother and this Friday we're coming to the ranch to ask for your hand. Now, don't faint. Before long we will be husband and wife.
Camila: Don't call me 'Princesa,' please, Alonso.
Alonso (laughing, with a predatory grin): If you are –
Camila: I don't like it and I've told you that numerous times.
Alonso: I thought that –
Camila: Sooner or later you better get that.
Alonso: I have a surprise for you.
Camila (wishing she could roll her eyes): Aha!
Alonso: You want to know?
Camila (trying to joke): No, I am not curious.
Alonso: I spoke with my mother and this Friday we're coming to the ranch to ask for your hand. Now, don't faint. Before long we will be husband and wife.
She does not look pleased.
Santiago de Chile, Daniel & Miriam's apartment: Miriam takes a rectangular box out of the bathroom vanity with a hopeful expression while Daniel looks at old photos and a few other things that had belonged to his mother. The photos show his mother in her younger years with a gentleman in a dark charro suit whom we assume is Don Daniel in his prime.
Dining Room: Don Daniel tells the padre that Ágatha's son could be his. He wonders why he was never told. The padre points out that he had been married to another at the time. Padre Baldomero speculates that the son could be the product of the reconciliation of Ágatha and her husband. Don Daniel says he wants to know everything about Ágatha's life after she left and then Augustina enters, having heard the last part. She vociferously indicates that she is offended that he thinks of Ágatha, with whom he had been unfaithful to his wife.
La Malquerida, Outside: Camila hesitates and we hope she ultimately refuses.
Alonso: Are you grateful for this news of my proposal?
Camila: Yes, I'm very grateful.
Alonso: So, then?
Alonso: So, then?
Camila: I feel it is too soon, Alonso.
Alonso: Soon? I've known you for three years; that's enough to know I want to marry you. From the first day Iknew you would inherit saw you I knew you were the woman for me. Let me get you in bed into your heart. I lust after your future money love you. Let me take care of you, make you happy. (kisses her hand as we wince; she pulls it away)
Alonso: Soon? I've known you for three years; that's enough to know I want to marry you. From the first day I
Camila: I hope you understand me, Alonso. I'm afraid. I don't want anything bad happening in my life after Luis' death. I don't think I can.
Alonso: Of course not. That won't happen; of course not.
Alonso: Of course not. That won't happen; of course not.
Camila: How do you know?
Alonso: Nothing bad will happen if you trust me. Trust me, the past does not exist for me. Or sadness. Marry me. Let me love you as you deserve. You'll never be sorry to have me for a husband. You won't regret it. (kisses her hand)
Alonso: Nothing bad will happen if you trust me. Trust me, the past does not exist for me. Or sadness. Marry me. Let me love you as you deserve. You'll never be sorry to have me for a husband. You won't regret it. (kisses her hand)
Camila: No.
Alonso (attempting to be seductive); Why not?
Avances
Camila marries into a den of reptiles.
Vocabulary & Other Info
caratera highway
chuppah.... Canopy used in Jewish wedding ceremonies, which are traditionally held outdoors. It symbolizes the couple's new home together
horah..... Jewish celebration circle dance typically done at weddings; “Hava Nagila” is probably the most popular song for it
tallit.... Prayer shawl used by Jewish men. Frequently presented to a boy at his bar mizvah. Can be used as a chuppah by Sephardic Jews (see photo above) and often presented to an Orthodox bridegroom as part of the dowry.
tzitzit..... Fringe at the four corners of a tallit
An excellent article on Jewish wedding traditions is here.
The gender segregation at this wedding ceremony and the relative modesty of the female guests signify that the bride's family and their guests are Orthodox. Standard Orthodox Jews do not prohibit couples dancing or men and women dancing the horah together at a wedding reception.
The vast majority of Chile's 25,000 Jewish residents live in Santiago de Chile and Valparaiso. Most are upper middle class and well-educated. Don Francisco (Mario Kreutzberger), who is of German Jewish origin, is from Chile.
The vast majority of Chile's 25,000 Jewish residents live in Santiago de Chile and Valparaiso. Most are upper middle class and well-educated. Don Francisco (Mario Kreutzberger), who is of German Jewish origin, is from Chile.
The glass floor over the pool is a real thing and often done to extend the guest space:
However, the one in the episode's wedding scene was not plexiglass nor was it adequately supported.
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Thanks for the usual speedy recap UA. The split screens are a bit distracting and It is maddening that the doctors take a long time to respond to luis when he flatlines. Is this a cliche used on order to maximize the dramatic effect as opposed to the effectiveness of medical responders? I think i've seen this a few times and it defies logic. This is pretty interesting.
Did I just see giant block letters denoting a place? What is the purpose of that?
Ibarramedia
Did I just see giant block letters denoting a place? What is the purpose of that?
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by 
: Monday, August 13, 2012 at 11:23:00 PM EDT
: Monday, August 13, 2012 at 11:23:00 PM EDT
Bravo! Awesome recap Urban. I love the pics and all the background research and info on Jewish weddings and Jews in Chile. Thank you for that.
Good first episode. Lots of drama and romance right out of the gate. What a shame that the man Camila opens her heart to after the death of her first love is a creepy snake. Third time's the charm! And that third time will come in the hunky form of Daniel.(Did I mention that I think CdlaF is hot? Did you see how easily he carried Miriam in his manly arms?)
It's a shame Daniel's mom died without sharing her Mexico secrets with him.
Love the big, fluffy dog.
Good first episode. Lots of drama and romance right out of the gate. What a shame that the man Camila opens her heart to after the death of her first love is a creepy snake. Third time's the charm! And that third time will come in the hunky form of Daniel.(Did I mention that I think CdlaF is hot? Did you see how easily he carried Miriam in his manly arms?)
It's a shame Daniel's mom died without sharing her Mexico secrets with him.
Love the big, fluffy dog.
Ibarramedia- I've seen the block letters used a lot in tns. In this case, it probably would have been really confusing for people to distinguish between Chile and Mexico without them. I guess the want to make sure the audience for sure sees it. LOL!
As for the flatlining with no medical help for what seems like 5 minutes, yes it's common in tns. This is probably one of the quicker response times I've seen in a tn. It is surely just for dramatic effect.
As for the flatlining with no medical help for what seems like 5 minutes, yes it's common in tns. This is probably one of the quicker response times I've seen in a tn. It is surely just for dramatic effect.
Thanks so much, UA, for signing on for this TN and for providing a very helpful and enjoyable recap. Though I understood a reasonable (for me) amount, I still found it rather confusing, especially since I thought that Camila was with Daniel, but then I saw him marrying someone who wasn't Camila. And toward the end, there seemed to be some disconnects that reminded me of the bad editing job sometimes seen in abridged TNs. Anyway, thanks to your recap, I think I've got it sorted out.
Alonso seems like such a snake, I found it hard to believe what the avances showed. And did he really say "Are you grateful for this news of my proposal?" Yikes! I loved your "edited" version of his encounter with Camila.
I haven't warmed up to any of the characters yet, not even to Silvia Navarro, whom I've liked a lot in MEPS. But I often feel rather aloof and confused at the start. I just hope that Camila doesn't stay married to Alonso for long. I can't stand looking at him.
Alonso seems like such a snake, I found it hard to believe what the avances showed. And did he really say "Are you grateful for this news of my proposal?" Yikes! I loved your "edited" version of his encounter with Camila.
I haven't warmed up to any of the characters yet, not even to Silvia Navarro, whom I've liked a lot in MEPS. But I often feel rather aloof and confused at the start. I just hope that Camila doesn't stay married to Alonso for long. I can't stand looking at him.
Arrgh, I just re-read my comment, and to my dismay it sounded as if I was saying that I found the recap confusing. What I meant was that I found the episode confusing, but the recap helped me sort things out. I knew I should have waited until the morning to post a comment. Oh well....
UA- Thanks so much for this great recap. Loved your research on Jewish wedding traditions. This was was so heavy for a first episode, so much grief. Don't like Ximenia. She is a beyotch for sure.
So a secret already. This one I think will be really good. It started out of the gate running. I like Silvia Navarro, I really liked her in MEPS. Like CDLF too. I agree with Vivi he is so hot!!!
I agree with Vivi too about Alonso. I loved your strike thrus lol. He is a creepy snake. He has that oily, smarmy smile.
Loved the dog too. I have three dogs, all Yorkies. So cute and so smart. Maja really feels Camila's grief.
So a secret already. This one I think will be really good. It started out of the gate running. I like Silvia Navarro, I really liked her in MEPS. Like CDLF too. I agree with Vivi he is so hot!!!
I agree with Vivi too about Alonso. I loved your strike thrus lol. He is a creepy snake. He has that oily, smarmy smile.
Loved the dog too. I have three dogs, all Yorkies. So cute and so smart. Maja really feels Camila's grief.
I just need Pinched Face Sister off my TV screen immediately.
It would appear that Abraham wasn't feeling Daniel, he probably thinks Daniel is a broke joke only marrying his sister for her money.
It would appear that Abraham wasn't feeling Daniel, he probably thinks Daniel is a broke joke only marrying his sister for her money.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 12:05:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 12:05:00 AM EDT
I guess your right Vivi. But it somehow takes away the serious vibe because it made me laugh at first. The timeline jump was a little confusing because I thought they were all flashbacks. Did you guys notice the slight Chileno Accent? They swallow their Th almost like spaniards do.
Ibarramedia
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 5:44:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 5:44:00 AM EDT
Thanks, guys.
Those block letters were also in CME. I think they're a little weird and I find them distracting when they're inserted into architecture. I'd rather they just have captions, but the producer seems to like this and be making it a trademark.
I did hear the slight Chilean accent; I once found a site that had a Chilean novela de epoca called Count Vrolock and that's where I first heard it. However, the actress playing Miriam is Mexican.
Two friends raised in Judaism cleared up some confusion I had about the dancing at the wedding reception. Men and women dancing together is apparently only taboo among Hasidim, who sometimes segregate the wedding reception guests into separate rooms.
Maja is darling. I hope she becomes like Juan's horse in FELS and Anthony's dog in LFdD, a smart novela animal who can tell good from evil and have some Lassie moments. I'm praying that Alonso or his mother doesn't murder her.
Those block letters were also in CME. I think they're a little weird and I find them distracting when they're inserted into architecture. I'd rather they just have captions, but the producer seems to like this and be making it a trademark.
I did hear the slight Chilean accent; I once found a site that had a Chilean novela de epoca called Count Vrolock and that's where I first heard it. However, the actress playing Miriam is Mexican.
Two friends raised in Judaism cleared up some confusion I had about the dancing at the wedding reception. Men and women dancing together is apparently only taboo among Hasidim, who sometimes segregate the wedding reception guests into separate rooms.
Maja is darling. I hope she becomes like Juan's horse in FELS and Anthony's dog in LFdD, a smart novela animal who can tell good from evil and have some Lassie moments. I'm praying that Alonso or his mother doesn't murder her.
Wonderful recap US! My eyes couldn't stay open through the whole episode so I'll be tuning into my Hulu later, but I liked the different start. Maybe we won;t be getting the usual cliches, but some nice twist and turns.
So the Fringe block letters have surfaced again. Remember those too from CME. Cracked me up.
So good to see Silvia again. Dang we only got one episode of Valentino...I need to see that man in something again too! So should we already be planning Ximena's demise? Wow, what a beyotch. Gorgeous, but some sister.
But I'm excited about the cast in this one, and can't wait to get going.
So the Fringe block letters have surfaced again. Remember those too from CME. Cracked me up.
So good to see Silvia again. Dang we only got one episode of Valentino...I need to see that man in something again too! So should we already be planning Ximena's demise? Wow, what a beyotch. Gorgeous, but some sister.
But I'm excited about the cast in this one, and can't wait to get going.
Alonso looks like a creeper. There has to be some back story involved. I can't see Camila getting married so soon but the previews show a wedding between them.
Ibarramedia
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 7:43:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 7:43:00 AM EDT
Alonso as a Komodo Dragon= Perfecto!
I love your translations of Alonso's verbal garbage--Had me chuckling!
" From the first day I knew you would inherit/ saw you I knew you were the woman for me. Let me get you in bed/ into your heart. I lust after your future money /love you. "
Slimy!
Terrific send-off, Amiga!
I love your translations of Alonso's verbal garbage--Had me chuckling!
" From the first day I knew you would inherit/ saw you I knew you were the woman for me. Let me get you in bed/ into your heart. I lust after your future money /love you. "
Slimy!
Terrific send-off, Amiga!
No prob, Vivi. I'm still waking up myself.
I will also be doing tomorrow's episode because we don't have a regular Wednesday person yet. I hope we get a volunteer for Wednesdays before the end of the week because I will be away from Saturday evening to Sunday afternoon. I don't mind a second episode this week because it makes me work a little harder at learning the characters' names and relationships.
Warning: This series has aired about 120 episodes in Mexico already and the Wikipedia page is loaded with spoilers.
I will also be doing tomorrow's episode because we don't have a regular Wednesday person yet. I hope we get a volunteer for Wednesdays before the end of the week because I will be away from Saturday evening to Sunday afternoon. I don't mind a second episode this week because it makes me work a little harder at learning the characters' names and relationships.
Warning: This series has aired about 120 episodes in Mexico already and the Wikipedia page is loaded with spoilers.
I dropped by this TN to see if I understood it well enough to stay. The last TN I saw Luis in a TN, he died there too. Gotta say, he dies well.
Boy that creepy guy was the most creepy guy I have ever seen. It would give me the heeby jeebies to have to play a part with him. What a snake!
Thanks for the entertaining recap!
Cindy
Boy that creepy guy was the most creepy guy I have ever seen. It would give me the heeby jeebies to have to play a part with him. What a snake!
Thanks for the entertaining recap!
Cindy
I don't know that I could have done any of Sylvia's scenes with that actor without cringing.
Stay tuned! There is way more interesting stuff to come with this story's evil ones. I anticipate amazing stuff from the two mature ones, Leticia Calderon and Cesar Evora.
Stay tuned! There is way more interesting stuff to come with this story's evil ones. I anticipate amazing stuff from the two mature ones, Leticia Calderon and Cesar Evora.
Yes, UA, Leticia Calderon's portrayal of Carlota in En Nombre del Amor was so strong that I can't imagine her as anything but an arch villain. (She doesn't look evil, unlike Alonso the snake or, even more so, Bruno in LQNPA, but her role as Carlota is firmly emblazoned in my mind. Now that was a villain par excellence! Coward that I am, I actually hope she won't be quite so evil in Amor Bravío.
I think she'll be right up there with Cesar. It's such a far cry from where I first saw her in Yo Compro Esa Mujer as the heroine. Her wedding photo from that is in the first volume of our wedding album.
I think one of the biggest reasons for the failure of CS 2009 is the inadequacy of Aracely Arambula vs Leticia Calderon and Edith Gonzales, who could give "good girls" incredible depth.
I think one of the biggest reasons for the failure of CS 2009 is the inadequacy of Aracely Arambula vs Leticia Calderon and Edith Gonzales, who could give "good girls" incredible depth.
Interesting to find out that Miriam is Mexican because I thought she sounded more Buenos Aires than Chile. I think the accents or Chile and Argentina are similar but hers seemed much more pronounced, as in BA.
I liked the glass covered pool. It gave off an really nice light until, you know, it broke and could have killed someone.
Did my captions cover up the time it was between Camila's accident and her being on the ranch? Like did more time pass for Mexico than just a month? She has her mother telling her it might be time to move on and find love with someone else, and the Komodo dragon is right there proposing and asking someone who is NOT Camila for her hand in marriage (not impressed with this custom). If my true love was killed the day before my wedding, it would take a lot longer than a month to get over no matter how many fuzzy dogs are around.
Kelly
I liked the glass covered pool. It gave off an really nice light until, you know, it broke and could have killed someone.
Did my captions cover up the time it was between Camila's accident and her being on the ranch? Like did more time pass for Mexico than just a month? She has her mother telling her it might be time to move on and find love with someone else, and the Komodo dragon is right there proposing and asking someone who is NOT Camila for her hand in marriage (not impressed with this custom). If my true love was killed the day before my wedding, it would take a lot longer than a month to get over no matter how many fuzzy dogs are around.
Kelly
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 12:14:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 12:14:00 PM EDT
The glass dance floor is supposed to be plexiglass and it needs to be a certain minimum thickness to do this. I did searches and found a number of companies that will do this, but no prices quoted. Check out this piece of architectural weirdness to be built in India.
Kelly- It had been three years since Camila's fiance's death. They didn't put up a "three years later" text, but the Snake mentioned it had been that long since she came to live on the ranch.
The question is, how long was it from when Daniel and Miriam married to when his mom died? Was that also a three year span? I'm not sure if these things are happening in Daniel and Camila's lives at the same time. But I do love that they had the same strange dream of tragedy associated with their loves.
As pretty as that dance floor is, I would have been dancing on the grass. I just wouldn't trust it.
The question is, how long was it from when Daniel and Miriam married to when his mom died? Was that also a three year span? I'm not sure if these things are happening in Daniel and Camila's lives at the same time. But I do love that they had the same strange dream of tragedy associated with their loves.
As pretty as that dance floor is, I would have been dancing on the grass. I just wouldn't trust it.
I'm trying to figure this out, too. Something about it doesn't make sense. It's possible that Camila met the komodo dragon during a visit a year before the tragic loss of Luis.
I'm sure she doesn't miss Ximena. Chicks like her make me happy not to have a sister.
I'm sure she doesn't miss Ximena. Chicks like her make me happy not to have a sister.
You know, it's a good thing Daniel's name isn't Jesus. That would have made the whole religious conversion thing a bit more awkward...
He would probably then change it to Josue, which is another form of it.
Of course his conversion will create another problem when he comes north to Mexico and falls for Camila.
Of course his conversion will create another problem when he comes north to Mexico and falls for Camila.
Thank you, UA, for some great lunchtime entertainment! Here's a link to another scary swimming pool that was featured on CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/08/travel/scary-swimming-pool/index.html?hpt=tr_c2
Aleta
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/08/travel/scary-swimming-pool/index.html?hpt=tr_c2
Aleta
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 12:57:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 12:57:00 PM EDT
Aleta, that is completely whacked. I'm posting that one to another forum where I am polling the participants on whether they'd move into that crazy building.
Thanks UA for the great recap.
So glad to be back. Been waiting for SN's new one forever.
Don't really have any comments to make on the ep, except, I'm really not into this actor who plays the galan. Hopefully, I'll warm up to him as we go along.
Vivi: this was too funny "You know, it's a good thing Daniel's name isn't Jesus. That would have made the whole religious conversion thing a bit more awkward..."
OT: does anyone know of a blog like this for Days of Our Live? The one that I tried out was so bad. People nasty rude to each other--if someone disagrees with someone else it's not done in a mature, respectful way. I've said this many times before: Caray, Caray! is great because of the respect and affection we have for each other and our TNs.
Robey
So glad to be back. Been waiting for SN's new one forever.
Don't really have any comments to make on the ep, except, I'm really not into this actor who plays the galan. Hopefully, I'll warm up to him as we go along.
Vivi: this was too funny "You know, it's a good thing Daniel's name isn't Jesus. That would have made the whole religious conversion thing a bit more awkward..."
OT: does anyone know of a blog like this for Days of Our Live? The one that I tried out was so bad. People nasty rude to each other--if someone disagrees with someone else it's not done in a mature, respectful way. I've said this many times before: Caray, Caray! is great because of the respect and affection we have for each other and our TNs.
Robey
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 1:14:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 1:14:00 PM EDT
UA...thanks so much for this wonderful introduction and for all the helpful information on the background of the Jewish wedding ceremony etc. It is wonderful to be both entertained and informed, and you did both masterfully. Don't think I will be watching this but will probably follow the recaps since you all write so well...and will try to comment from time to time.
Robey- I can't answer your question because this is the only blog I follow and because I don't watch U.S. soaps. But I have to say, of all the sites I've visited where there are discussion pages, this is the most polite and intelligent one I have ever seen.
UA: This is a great recap. And, thanks, too, for the research.
I nodded off a couple of times and lost the continuity - so, this cleared it up for me.
I nodded off a couple of times and lost the continuity - so, this cleared it up for me.
UA, I can only imagine how hard it is to recap a premiere episode. You succeeded in clarifying so much for us. I also confused the 2 guys in the beginning and couldn't figure out why one was marrying someone who was not Camila.
I would be uncomfortable on a glass floor over a pool, and I don't want to walk out on that glass ledge at the Grand Canyon.
Did I hear somewhere that the dog is actually Sylvia's own pet? I know she is a huge animal lover.
Rosemary la Otra
I would be uncomfortable on a glass floor over a pool, and I don't want to walk out on that glass ledge at the Grand Canyon.
Did I hear somewhere that the dog is actually Sylvia's own pet? I know she is a huge animal lover.
Rosemary la Otra
UA - Appreciate all the detail, dialogue, and vocab.
I can't imagine why Camila would marry Alonso, but I guess we'll see. This episode was so sad I was anxious for the villains to show up. Better mad, than sad. Ximena doesn't count cause she's just annoying, like a mosquito.
I can't imagine why Camila would marry Alonso, but I guess we'll see. This episode was so sad I was anxious for the villains to show up. Better mad, than sad. Ximena doesn't count cause she's just annoying, like a mosquito.
Thanks, UA. I came in just in time for the weddings, which were kind of a surprise (not in a bad way, of course, except that my first thought upon seeing Daniel's wedding was "Oh, lord, the bride is so doomed").
Possible (beginnings of a) drinking game:
1. Take a sip whenever large CGI block letters are used to identify a location.
2. Drink when a montage of running bulls appears onscreen (excepting the opening credits).
Possible (beginnings of a) drinking game:
1. Take a sip whenever large CGI block letters are used to identify a location.
2. Drink when a montage of running bulls appears onscreen (excepting the opening credits).
My former landlord had a dog like that. Her name was Chablis and she was so sweet. If Maja is actually Sylvia Navarro's pet they should work well together. Such a darling dog (and I'm a cat person).
A premiere episode is a challenge, so I'm glad I could get it online. I watched it once through before writing anything. In fact I watched the whole first week before determining that this will read as it does.
Bill, there is a third one that gets added tomorrow night. I will let someone else post it. And it's a shame about Miriam because she is a nice person.
A premiere episode is a challenge, so I'm glad I could get it online. I watched it once through before writing anything. In fact I watched the whole first week before determining that this will read as it does.
Bill, there is a third one that gets added tomorrow night. I will let someone else post it. And it's a shame about Miriam because she is a nice person.
UA, simply lovely. I always say that your writing is tinged with beauty as was this. Your conversation translations and vocab were perfect.
I have not been able to read and comment on anything the past few days but please know this was sensational.
Diana
I have not been able to read and comment on anything the past few days but please know this was sensational.
Diana
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 4:12:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 4:12:00 PM EDT
Yeah, it's a shame we'll lose Miriam. She seems likable. And I loved her wedding dress. Sleeves!
Kelly
Kelly
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 4:32:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 4:32:00 PM EDT
Me too Ro la O about the lack of music. For a moment I was liking a theme that ended abruptly and I thought maybe because the bride is doomed.
So funny Kelly re: "liked the glass covered pool. It gave off an really nice light until, you know, it broke and could have killed someone."
Waiting to see how come Camilla accepts what she don't want from Slimey. Please give us a smart heroine, please please.
So funny Kelly re: "liked the glass covered pool. It gave off an really nice light until, you know, it broke and could have killed someone."
Waiting to see how come Camilla accepts what she don't want from Slimey. Please give us a smart heroine, please please.
Vivi: Thanks for the info. I'm so glad I found this site. And all because my friend missed the ep where Alonso sent a text message to Ivana way back in the beginning of STuD and I desparately wanted to know what he wrote.
I guess I have Ivana to thank. Oh no!!
Robey
I guess I have Ivana to thank. Oh no!!
Robey
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 5:00:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 5:00:00 PM EDT
Miriam will be in the next volume of wedding photos, certainly.
My one problem with this series so far is we're going to see too many plaid shirts. I'm so sick of those.
My one problem with this series so far is we're going to see too many plaid shirts. I'm so sick of those.
UA: How funny! I was thinking how I'd really like to have a plaid shirt like Camila's :)
Robey
Robey
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 7:16:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 7:16:00 PM EDT
Looks like its going to be a good one. Lots happening in the first episode and a little distracting with all the back and forths. Thank you in advance to all the recappers.
Unusual to have a wedding at the beginning, and then to have two of them.
Love the dog.
Marti
Unusual to have a wedding at the beginning, and then to have two of them.
Love the dog.
Marti
Thanks UA for that excellent recap. The actress playing SN's mother is great at playing longsuffering madres. She was Lucero's mother in Alborado. In that novela , she was always crying, stewing, and wringing her hands. I think I'll try to watch this tn because I like Christian. I also was happy to see the familiar face playing the padre. He's a honey. I'm used to seeing him play a ranch hand .
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 7:20:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 7:20:00 PM EDT
Thank you UA for a great recap to get us started on this novela. It's nice to see some familiar posters.
I love Sylvia (less so when she cries), the dog (I'm a pooch-lover) and the dual locations.
Just a small addition to UA's helpful information about the wedding. I am privileged to be part of my husband's wonderful Jewish family and to have attended many Jewish rituals. My guess is that the family is as Jewish as the producers need them to be for story-telling purposes. Granted that Judaism is different in every country, but there are some inconsistencies that suggest narrative convenience. For example, the women's dresses are tame but not modest enough to correspond to the separation of the sexes at the ceremony (which you might very well see at an Orthodox wedding). You wouldn't see a woman in a sleeveless dress at an Orthodox wedding or reception. Other elements of the wedding are fairly standard whether reform, conservative, orthodox or some mix. The Hasidim are comprised of many, many sects, often referred to as Ultra-Orthodox, so mixing of rituals isn't just in novelas but in real life religion as well! It will be interesting to see whether any of this matters as the story proceeds. Surely Daniel's conversion to Judaism must mean something for the storyline.
I love Sylvia (less so when she cries), the dog (I'm a pooch-lover) and the dual locations.
Just a small addition to UA's helpful information about the wedding. I am privileged to be part of my husband's wonderful Jewish family and to have attended many Jewish rituals. My guess is that the family is as Jewish as the producers need them to be for story-telling purposes. Granted that Judaism is different in every country, but there are some inconsistencies that suggest narrative convenience. For example, the women's dresses are tame but not modest enough to correspond to the separation of the sexes at the ceremony (which you might very well see at an Orthodox wedding). You wouldn't see a woman in a sleeveless dress at an Orthodox wedding or reception. Other elements of the wedding are fairly standard whether reform, conservative, orthodox or some mix. The Hasidim are comprised of many, many sects, often referred to as Ultra-Orthodox, so mixing of rituals isn't just in novelas but in real life religion as well! It will be interesting to see whether any of this matters as the story proceeds. Surely Daniel's conversion to Judaism must mean something for the storyline.
Wow, it's nice to see so many familiar commenters back at this hour again! Got a feeling this 4th hr. thing is here to stay. Guess that's the rough part of living in the Eastern time zone!
(BTW) Thanks for the details about the Jewish wedding festivities and customs. That was an extra step that was much appreciated and only adds to the overall cultural experiences we share here IMHO.
(BTW) Thanks for the details about the Jewish wedding festivities and customs. That was an extra step that was much appreciated and only adds to the overall cultural experiences we share here IMHO.
Traveling Lady, that is very similar to what my friends told me. They both were Ashkenazi and knew nothing specific about Chilean Jews.
Daniel's conversion probably will mean something as the story progresses including -- but not limited to -- Augustina's guaranteed issues with this relative to his future interest in Camila.
Daniel's conversion probably will mean something as the story progresses including -- but not limited to -- Augustina's guaranteed issues with this relative to his future interest in Camila.
I read in the recap that Daniel said he believes in one true God and that his conversion was to be able to marry Miriam. So that means he might re-convert to Catholicism. At least that is how I understand it. Can anyone clarify this?
Ibarramedia
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 9:43:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 9:43:00 PM EDT
This may mean nothing at all, but I have friends who converted from Judaism to Catholicism. The principles are pretty much the same; the rituals and holidays are different. The biggest difference is Jesus.
They weren't maintaining kosher 24/7, so nothing changed about that. The conversion happened because their daughter married into a Catholic family and they live in an area that didn't have an appropriate synagogue for them.
I made rosaries for them recently and they were much appreciated.
They weren't maintaining kosher 24/7, so nothing changed about that. The conversion happened because their daughter married into a Catholic family and they live in an area that didn't have an appropriate synagogue for them.
I made rosaries for them recently and they were much appreciated.
I'm very glad to see that you are recapping Urban Anthropologist. You are an excellent writer.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 10:02:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 10:02:00 PM EDT
Gracias.
You will get a double dose of me this week because I'm also doing tomorrow night's installment.
You will get a double dose of me this week because I'm also doing tomorrow night's installment.
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