Saturday, September 08, 2012
Amor Bravío #23 (Uni 18) Fri 9/7/12 Pushy Broads Like Viviana Make The Rockin’ World Go ‘Round Or “Ruh-roh!” For Rafa And D’Andres
Capítulo 23
While Camila is still trying to find daylight at the end of the tunnel of love, Viviana and Isadora show us once again that behind every wimpy, impotent man there’s an uber-domineering mother; and behind every self-respecting woman’s decision to stand up for herself [darse lugar], there’s an unthinking hunk of a male whose mouth moves faster than his brain, and whose maw is large enough to accommodate a size 13 foot. (Rafa, honey, call your office!)
Lo Del Nuevo
Rafael goes on a fact-finding investigation, pretending that he and his mama are interested in buying Rancho La Malquerida. He flashes that brilliant smile with those sparklingly gorgeous brown eyes at the helpless, young county clerk who then tells him—in strictest confidence--that there is a very wealthy entrepreneur, whose trade in stock is tourist developments and who wants to buy this property in order to convert it into an important vacation/tourist development. Rafa’s little expedition is cut short when he gets a call from Viviana supposedly telling to come quickly because a calf is about to be born, and they’re going to watch while Camila works her veterinarian magic.
At the M.Q., Augustina watches Isadora and Alonso perambulating into the living room together. Gussie’s curious as to why Al’s out of the hospital so soon. Poor, abandoned Al takes the opportunity to plead his case and whines that since Cami didn’t want to come see him, he’s back to be “at her side”, feeling that his first priority is his wife. Gussie tells them she isn’t so sure her daughter will want anything to do with him, but she’s tending to her animals in the stables right now in any case and doesn’t have time. Doesn’t matter, says the forlorn Lonso. He’s going to find her-r-r-r and force her-r-r-r to face hi-i-i-i-m! NO, objects the devoted MamaDora, as she shoves Sonny Boy back down onto the couch. (Sorry, but the more I see of Flavio Medina playing the supposed son of lovely Leticia Calderon, the more I feel the actor should have gotten a face peel before filming, or make-up should have given Leti a few more wrinkles and a little fake streak of gray hair! It’s like Benjamin Buttons, the early years!) Mama declares that she’ll find and fetch Cam, then races out the door on her quest. Gussie stares indignantly at her loathsome loser of a son-in-law as he begins chewing what remains of his claws. He peeks up through the corner of his squinty little eyes at her, flinching and scowling under her accusatory gaze, and waits for MamaDora to procure “his” cold-hearted and cruel Camila for a suitable scolding.
Outside in the driveway, Padre Baldedero gives Daniel a verbal thrashing for lying to him about living out on the street when really he was staying at Sra. Amanda’s B&B. Dan’s excuse is that he feared being discovered and didn’t have any idea that Amanda was his mother’s friend until the padre told him so. Ok, says Baldo, then why did Dan refuse a perfectly good and safe position in town to work there at this ranch? Dan replies that there’s no better place to get to the bottom of things than by being in the middle of a den of thieves [boca del lobo=in the lion’s mouth/den]. He’s going to make things right and get justice, like he told him before--or die trying. Padre insists it’s too dangerous. Dan says he’s got nothing to lose and a lot to gain if he does. It’s suddenly clear to Padre why Dan wanted a letter of recommendation from him—to get on here and be protected!! Yep, nods Dan. FYI, Padre needs to remember to call him Andres around there! Fine. Padre says he’s got a letter from his daddy for him that would have done the same, and he was about to give it to him, but he wanted to assure himself about the facts first. (Padre’s intentions are good, but even a snail sprints faster than this old dude!)
MamaDora now walks into the cow pens and finds Cami tending to her sick cow who’s having a problem with labor. Isa tries shaming Cam into rushing back with her to her hubby’s side. “--Why, he couldn’t bear to stay another day in the hospital without you!” (Aw, tell her to pitch that load of manure over the fence into the bull pens with the rest of the dung!) Cam bites her tongue and tries explaining she needs to finish up there, but will be in immediately after, implying (as all Viewerville and anybody with half a brain can see) that ailing Al couldn’t be that lonesome, what with his mama and Gussie there to keep waiting on him hand and foot! “—I can’t believe that this cow is more important than your husband!!! What a lack of humanity you’re showing!” (The cows, of course, are the geese, to mix my metaphors, laying the golden eggs…er…bulls here, lady! They’re the very things that allow Lonnie Boy and you to sponge off los Monterde—and, I bet you pesos to pine nuts that Vivi was ready to tell old abhor-rible Dora exactly that if she’d gotten half a chance!)
Cam, still cool under fire, hurriedly spells it out for MamaDora: it was Alonso’s decision to leave the hospital against the doctor’s orders, so please don’t come telling her how to act or not concerning her husband. Isa riles and pulls rank on her DIL, reminding Cam to mind her tone. Cam apologizes and politely repeats that she should not interfere with her and her husband’s personal business, and assures her that she’ll be in once she’s finished with the important duties there! Isa sniffs and storms off (undoubtedly not used to being contradicted in both word and deed), griping the whole way out about how Camila’s attitude is “inconcebible [inconceivable/ unbelievable]”!! Viv gives Cam kudos for standing her ground. Cam takes heart and gets back to birthing [alumbrar] her bulls.
Inside the hacienda again, Gussie brings her lonesome (loathsome) SIL some broth. He begs her to convince Cami that he only did what he did to avoid more aggravation and frustration for her. It was an “experiment” you see, to check whether his “problem” had solved itself. Gussie replies that times have changed and women stick up for themselves nowadays; they don’t feel they have to put up with this kind of humiliation, aka, ridiculous male chauvinist crap. In walks the irritated and irksome Isadora, complaining that Camila was more interested in some “stinking [apestosa] old cow” than her indisposed, doting and adoring hubby, Al. Hearing that, Lonnie races out of his bed and rushes angrily down to the cow pens to give Cam a piece of his mind--which, in light of the circumstances in which he was found, makes Viewerville wonder if there was another blocked artery, one depriving oxygenated blood to his brain!!
The co-madres race out after loping Alonso, trying to stop him from another boneheaded and deadly mishap. Loping Lon rushes past D’Andres and the Padre in the driveway, but Gussie orders D’Andres to chase after him. Padre mentions he was there to check on Al’s health; Gussie asks him how he knew about Alonso. Somebody in town told him. Gussie and Isadora are horrified to realize that apparently the whole town now knows about the damnable droop in Alonso’s drawers.
Luzma, meanwhile, arrives home and lies to Leoncio and her mama about her suspension. Instead she tells them that due to “a teachers’ meeting,” school’s out for the next couple of days. Tío Leo tells her she’s got chores to do, helping her mother if she’s off school, and he wants no buts about it! He’s not about to allow her to “laze around the place [andar de vaga]” while her mama’s got work to do. (Ok. Even a broken clock, as they say, is right twice a day.)
Viv and D’Andres watch the fireworks ringside when Lon eventually shows up at the cow pens and immediately starts carping about his having to walk all the way down there just to talk with her because she’d rather attend to some cow than hi-i-i-i-m! (Sorry, Numb-nuts, but word up: the sad truth is that this cow’s carcass, alive or dead, is worth oodles more than yours!) Cami, despite all, tries politely suggesting that he return to the house, promising that she’ll attend to him when she’s finished with the cow. However, that won’t do for the perverse little putz! “—No! We’re going back to the house together! (Is that a foot stomp I see?) Your priority as my wife is me!” Cam says yep, she gets it, and he’s right. A wife’s duty is to attend to her husband; but since they never had that kind of relationship, they are an incompatible husband and wife and she wants a divorce! (Nice way to turn the tables, toots! High fives start hittin’ all over Viewerville.) Cara de I can’t believe-she-shoved-it-back-in-my-face-and-pulled-a-proverbial-fast-one-on-me de Loathsome Lon.
Back inside the main house, Dionisio arrives and greets the gang. He gives a special swak to his mark, aka, the ever-gushing and most gullible Gussie, as Viewerville pauses for a communal gag before turning its attention back to the screen. Gussie introduces Padre B to Dio, “her novio”. The padre takes note and then his leave.
Back by the cow pens, Lon is pissed as hell. “—It’s a bit personal a topic to discuss in front of this worthless trash [gentuza= low-class scum of humanity, white trash, rabble] don’t you think?” Yep, agrees Cam. “--So go back inside and I’ll come by in a bit to discuss it with you after I’m done. I am busy right now.” He starts grabbing at his chest and bitching about his condition. Cam warns him not to try that emotional blackmail crap on her. She hasn’t got time for it! He heads back towards the main house, eventually screaming at D’Andres to stop following him around already! Rafa shows up at that point and asks what’s going on. Dan explains that Cami just asked her hubby for a divorce in front of gawd and everyone. Rafa’s excited as hell. Cami’s not going to forgive the rat bastard after all! Now’s his chance! Don’t get so excited, says D’Andres. “--She needs that wimp around to do her dirty work for her!” Rafa, all smiles, insists that Dan’s just so wrong about her.
Vivi tells Cam she did the right thing and to hang in there and stand her ground. No guilty feelings, because Cami married a guy who became a stranger to her. No, says Cam, he was a stranger from the beginning. (I’d say the operative word here is “strange” rather than “stranger”.) Viv adds that she shouldn’t doubt her motives or her actions. She knows, because she felt uncertain and doubted the same way Cami is now. “--Divorce is a frightening thing and so is the loneliness that comes with it.” Cam sobs tears of frustration and relief, admitting she feels alone half the time as it is. Viv continues to encourage her to buck up, since after all she’s an intelligent, educated, attractive, self-sufficient gal who should never lose sight of that! She even has herself a ranch! Cam stops her there and explains that the ranch really isn’t hers and how her uncle left it all to his illegitimate son. More tears on Viv’s shoulder.
At the same time, Rafa finishes telling Daniel that the M.Q. is being sold but, that he’s sure Camila doesn’t know it. Dan argues that she has to know it because she ordered the appraisal herself. Rafa explains that she loves the land and the animals too much to sell them, so it wouldn’t make sense. (Anybody else think Dan’s too linear in his thinking?) Dan doesn’t buy it, so Rafa agrees to disagree and says that’s why they’re going to continue their fact-finding mission and get to the truth!
Cami continues explaining the odd circumstances and events concerning this fugitive cousin, Daniel Diaz Acosta, to Viv and explains that nobody knows who he is, or even what he looks like, since nobody’s ever met him.
In the meantime, across the way at the Buenaventura, Big Bro Mariano returns home. In rushes Pablo and demands to know if Eliana erased the message from Luzma the night before. Eliana lies, saying no, of course not, but once the two brothers are out of the room she allows herself a malevolent and victorious smile as hisses are now heard in living rooms throughout Viewerville.
Back at the M.Q., Dionisio gets on Al’s case about the pending disaster now that his divorce is imminent. He warns Al that if Camila kicks his scrawny ass to the curb, that he’ll take this loser’s place as lover in charge. Lonnie argues that Dio can’t do that since the woman he’s talking about is his wife! Dio lets out with a belly laugh and a half. “—Je-je! She’s what??” Scowling Al doesn’t see the irony in his poorly chosen words. You might want it that way, lecturers Dio, but seems to me that we’re all very aware that that never happened and I’ll be damned if I’ll lose the huge investment I've made in this project so far! Al doesn’t see it that way. Naw, Camila wouldn’t give him a second look. Dio scoffs. “--You wanna bet??” Dio spells it out in no uncertain terms. Unlike a loser like Alonso, he actually knows how to woo a woman, to keep her happy and contented, and most of all…sssssatisfied! Al sneers back that Camila would never go for it, especially after Dio’s dating Cam’s mama. Dio scoffs. “--We’ll see about that, now won’t we?”
At los Alberrán, Eliana eavesdrops against a closed study door as Mariano assures Pablo that he’s not as closed-minded as their parents when it comes to somebody’s background or financial status. If little brother and Luzma love each other then that’s all that counts. Pablo can count on his support he assures him and then persuades him to go after his gal and fight to win her back.
At the same time, Camila tells Rafa and Viv that while she’s waiting for the calf to start down the birth canal, she’s going to take the break to discuss things with Alonso.
Luzma finds out from D’Andres, meantime, that there was a message left from Pablo on Camila’s answering machine after all. D’Andres finds out that Cami’s been acting as a go-between of sorts because Luzma and her boyfriend must hide their relationship from everyone. That’s why she was outside the night he defended her from Terrible Tío Leo, but he never showed and blah, blah, blah….. D’Andres fights a major eye-roll and sends her off to work things out with her “ex-non-ex-or-whatever”.
Dio runs into Cam inside the main house and tells her in his most ingratiating and sycophantic way that he doesn’t agree with Al’s behavior and he’s on her side unconditionally. So, if she needs anything from him he’ll be there, yes he will, cuz she’s got a friend...for whatever else….uh-hem…she needs. Cam says thanks and blows if off.
Dora and Gussie meanwhile, chat over coffee. ViboraDora tells Gussie that she should take it slow with Dio, since nobody knows that much about him and his friendship/association with Alonso is a rather recent thing. “--Could be he’s a man that runs from commitment, don’t you think? After all, strange that he’s never once been married.” Gussie says they’re giving it a try for a while, but she feels his intentions are totally honorable. Dora advises her that, even so, she shouldn’t get her hopes up or “confuse infatuation [enamoramiento] with the fear of loneliness.”
Upstairs, Cam comes in for a chat about bailing from Ailing Al. He apologizes profusely and races on about how he was only trying to rescue their relationship and to test out the situation without hurting her in order to avoid the same hurtful arguments they’ve had. She brings up the therapist again and asks why he’s not been seeing one as he promised he would. Al says something about using a pill instead for a shortcut cure-all which of course, he sees now was stooopid… and the rest is history. He mentions that he feels castrated around her. She is tired of hearing that old saw again, she says, and figures it’s all the more reason to end their farce of a marriage right now, amiably as he promised when she gave him a second chance.
Meanwhile, D’Andres and Rafa are discussing Cam’s husband and the pending divorce. Rafa makes the mistake of calling him Daniel just as Vivi walks up to them. She overhears and asks why he just called Andres ‘Daniel’ ? “—What’s going on here? Where do you two know each other from anyway?”
Back up in their bedroom again, the sniveling Alonso gets on his knees and pathetically begs Cam not to divorce him. She tries to get him to stand up. He blubbers some more and tells her he can’t possibly live without her, that he truly loves her. She’s his life! (Pardon me while I fight the indigestion reliving this scene is giving me.) She calmly reasons with him that it’s no good tying oneself to something that isn’t working, and then reminds him that he promised they’d divorce on good terms if it ever came to that. He denies it and finally refuses outright to give her a divorce. (Ok. Annulment, it is then?!) She stares him down and calmly walks out of the room, almost as if she’s backing away from a skittish and dangerous wild animal to avoid it charging at her.
Outside once more, Rafa and Dan try lying their way out of the dung pile they’ve stepped in. Rafa lies, saying they only met there through the interviews he did with the staff; D’Andres says Rafa simply made a mistake cuz he meant to call him Andres. She screams at them to stop treating her like a dumb female cuz if there’s one thing she can’t stand it’s for men to do that to her!! Rafa starts to give in and tells D’Andres that she can be trusted [de fiar]. Dan tries walking off and leaving them to sort it out. Viv gets in his face, tho’, and warns him to tell her the truth or she won’t be responsible for what comes next! Rafa tells Dan that she won’t stop till she gets what she wants from them. Dan still tries pretending he’s just an ignorant peon, but she threatens to tell Cam that she heard Rafa call him Daniel. D’Andres says he doubts she’ll care. Viv gets in his face. “--Oh no? Well, she just happens to be waiting for a guy named Daniel who is her cousin and who’s the sole heir of the ranch. So, would you happen to be that Daniel she’s waiting for?”
Rafa gets upset that Viv never told her anything about it. “--Could be that’s because Camila just finished telling me! Nobody knows anything about him; but he’s a fugitive from justice and that he’s the true owner of this hacienda.” Dan starts to walk off but Viv stops him in his tracks. “—You are that person, aren’t you? You are Daniel Diaz Acosta, her cousin and the sole heir to La Malquerida!”
In town, Padre B stops in at Lic. Osvaldo Becerra’s legal office to tell him that he has not only met Dionisio Ferrer, but he’s now officially dating Agustina.
At the same time, Dan tries to squirm out of it one last time. He wouldn’t be there working as a cowboy or a chauffeur, he explains, if he were some heir-apparent to a ranch! Sure he would, says Viv, if he were hiding from the law! “--What a coinkydink that you’re not from around here; that you have a Chilean accent, not to mention that you seem totally unsuited as a cowboy and are well-educated, too educated to be accepting the pittance of a salary a cowboy makes! So tell me what’s going on here already or I’ll go tell Camila and she can sort it out!” Rafa grabs Viv’s arm and pleads with Daniel to let her in on it. He refuses. “—She’s Camila’s friend!” Rafa insists she can be trusted and to just tell her the truth already! Dan backs off then and admits sarcastically that he really has no choice at this point. He asks her to be as trustworthy as Rafael claims she is. “--What I have to tell you is rather sensitive, too sensitive, to tell you out here.” Vivi agrees and offers to have them come to her place that evening to give their side of it with her. She won’t tell Cam anything for now, she says, but warns them that her loyalty is totally to Camila.
In town at Lic. Becerra’s again, Baldo tells Osvaldo that he doesn’t trust this Dionisio Ferrer character as far as he can throw him [me da mala espina], and he especially doesn’t like him involving himself at the ranch, considering his past history with Don Daniel. They agree Dio’s probably going to try taking advantage of Camila and Agustina’s “fragile state of mind” in order to get his hands on the ranch. Padre B encourages him to fight for her if he truly cares for her. “--Don’t let this other guy steal her away!”
Rafa and Viv, now, fight over his keeping secrets from her with all that money involved. She says she feels used. Rafa defends Daniel and his intentions, but can’t go into why because Cami comes back at that point. The sick cow is about to deliver her calf now so the group race over to the pens.
In the meantime, MamaDora stops by to chat with Sonnie to find out what happened with them. He tells her that Camila is determined to get that divorce and admits that he is in love with her; that he loves her more than life itself. There’s no way he can allow Dio to take her away from him. Dora is dumbfounded. What’s he mean? Al explains how the guy threatened to go after Cam if she divorces him. Al comments that it was Dio who approached him about becoming business partners and in the end who really wants control of the ranch. He can’t stand the guy any longer, he says. Dio’s gotten so ambitious that he’d do anything to get what he wants! No problem, says Mama. If they play their cards right, if anything goes wrong, the only one to blame will be Dio. They’ll come out of it all smelling like a rose. For that reason, warns Mama, Al has to remain cool headed and free of any emotion. Love can’t be a part of this equation.
D’Andres is now at the cow pens to help with the birth of the calf. Cami delivers the calf, a bull, but the mother dies. It’s obvious that Cami has done everything humanly possible to save the animal and feels really bad about the whole thing. She leaves the group to clear her head. Rafa looks over at Dan and asks him to recognize that “any woman who would feel that badly over the death of an animal wouldn’t be able to harm a human being.” Dan remains skeptical. “—Yeah, well people are capable of anything for money, and there’s lots of money here!” Rafa is disgusted and simply reminds him they’ll see each other that night at Viv’s.
Inside the main house again, Gussie tells Piedad how happy she is with her new romance; that she figures she’s being compensated for so many years alone. Just then she takes a call from Lic. Becerra. He makes a date with her for early morning coffee to discuss some important information he’s just recently discovered.
Across town from Becerra’s office, Dio takes a call from El Trench saying he’ll have the death certificate in his hands the next morning.
Dio smiles triumphantly and says to himself that finally he will have possession of both the ranch and of Camila Monterde!!
Labels: bravio
Comments:
ViviDC: Thanks for mentioning that detail. I skipped over it.
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Terrible Tio gives me the creeps. I wonder about him having abused Piedad early on. Bwuawhahahaha!
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UA: I can only say, it takes all kinds! I'd have never dreamed of a family situation like that.
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Cathyx: IMHO, he's late 40's and lived a hard life! I'd say the guy playing Alonso looks very old for late 30's. My SIL, daughter, son and DIL & their cousins and friends are all mid-30 to 30 something. No wrinkles in this crowd of many. : > ))
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Traveling Lady: I have been burned by Wikepedia in the past and know what you mean!
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They will have to fess up to her on Monday or she will think they are trying to Gaslight her.
Now I have a question about Leoncio. How is this basura under the delusion that he has any authority over Luzma? The way he interacts with her is making my flesh crawl just as much as when Alonssso tries to handle Camila.
El Diablo made me laugh when he called Alonssso out on his dysfunction. I wasn't sure he would tip his hand that quickly but it's just as well. At some point he's going to have major clashes with him and with Mama Dragon and the sooner the better!
Now I have a question about Leoncio. How is this basura under the delusion that he has any authority over Luzma? The way he interacts with her is making my flesh crawl just as much as when Alonssso tries to handle Camila.
El Diablo made me laugh when he called Alonssso out on his dysfunction. I wasn't sure he would tip his hand that quickly but it's just as well. At some point he's going to have major clashes with him and with Mama Dragon and the sooner the better!
Wow El Diablo is frank and no holds barred. And then on to offer Camilla his friendship - or anything she might need. What's that mean? Camilla looked like she had my same question.
El Tio de Darkness gives all the signs necessary that Luzma needs a lock on her bedroom door. Pronto.
El Tio de Darkness gives all the signs necessary that Luzma needs a lock on her bedroom door. Pronto.
So far Camila has proven to be a fairly smart lady, I hope she doesn't fall for Dionisio. I feel quite certain that she will be grossed out by him putting the moves on her when she knows how her mom feels about him. And really, he could never even come close to competing with Daniel. It's really quite laughable.
LOVE Vivi...and not just because we have the same nickname. :)
Yes, Dio is one conceited so and so if he thinks he can so easily seduce Camila. LOL! Dream on dude.
Yes, Dio is one conceited so and so if he thinks he can so easily seduce Camila. LOL! Dream on dude.
Vivi is a great character, as was Dani in DA, played by the same actress. Another iconoclast and direct speaker.
I keep wondering if she will get teamed up with Mariano (Rene Strickler).
I keep wondering if she will get teamed up with Mariano (Rene Strickler).
While I love Vivi's toughness, I did want to smack Rafa as that was a huge goof on outing Daniel at this point. Rafa may be friends with both Daniela and Vivi but we all know our friends don't see eye-to-eye on issues and my guess is that will be the case here.
UA - Unfortunately Leoncio's sister seems to have allowed him that type of authority (really abuse) in her own life and he thinks he can continue with his niece. Moreover, as you note, his lack of boundaries makes it seem like he will molest her as well. He's completely delusional; the fact that he suggested to Natalia they date was just beyond ridiculous. He either yells at her or leers at her; clearly he only knows how to abuse women.
El Diablo is a mess but he is much smoother than Aloser. In one scene he was mocking the mama's boy and in the next he was making a move on Cami. Talk about audacity.
Traveling Lady - yes I too wonder if Vivi will be pair w/Rene.
UA - Unfortunately Leoncio's sister seems to have allowed him that type of authority (really abuse) in her own life and he thinks he can continue with his niece. Moreover, as you note, his lack of boundaries makes it seem like he will molest her as well. He's completely delusional; the fact that he suggested to Natalia they date was just beyond ridiculous. He either yells at her or leers at her; clearly he only knows how to abuse women.
El Diablo is a mess but he is much smoother than Aloser. In one scene he was mocking the mama's boy and in the next he was making a move on Cami. Talk about audacity.
Traveling Lady - yes I too wonder if Vivi will be pair w/Rene.
Another aspect to Dionisio making a play for Camila is Alonso and his Isadora both wanting to stop him from doing that, each with their own agenda for stopping it. This will be fun to watch as it plays out.
UA: I was wondering the same thing - what hold does he have on Luzma's mother - other than profound psychological abuse, which he seems determined to pass on to Luzma. I wish him a quick and painful end.
I paid attention last night and stayed awake through the whole chapter, and, yes, I, too, was somewhat shocked at Dionisio thinking that he was going to conquor Camila. Just where is that coming from?
I paid attention last night and stayed awake through the whole chapter, and, yes, I, too, was somewhat shocked at Dionisio thinking that he was going to conquor Camila. Just where is that coming from?
Tio Leo feels entitled because he got Piedad the job at El Rancho or as he said they wouldn't have a roof over their head and food to eat.
Allocolonso sure goes into crazed mode around mummy. This actor is good at switching back and forth.
Dio was drooling all over himself so much even Camila's BS meter was going off.
I agree, orale Vivi!
Allocolonso sure goes into crazed mode around mummy. This actor is good at switching back and forth.
Dio was drooling all over himself so much even Camila's BS meter was going off.
I agree, orale Vivi!
In addition to what Mena said about Leo getting Piedad the job at the ranch (meaning food, shelter and work), Piedad was alone and with child (Luzma was either little or still in the belly). Peidad got pregnant out of wedlock and dumped. Leo reminds her and Luzma of this this practically everyday (as well as reminding them Piedad got the job because of him). This is also how he justifies getting in Luzma's romantic life biz-- because he's "concerned" she'll end up pregnant and dumped like her mama.
I'm no fan of Alonssso but I would like to see him stand up to his mother. (I was going to say "grow some" but he has enough difficulty there.)
Who does Gussie think she is, telling everyone about her "relación sentimental"? She's acting like she's Luzma's age.
Leo is not only creepy but also dangerous. I hope Piedad and Luzma get away from him soon.
Who does Gussie think she is, telling everyone about her "relación sentimental"? She's acting like she's Luzma's age.
Leo is not only creepy but also dangerous. I hope Piedad and Luzma get away from him soon.
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: Saturday, September 8, 2012 at 5:37:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, September 8, 2012 at 5:37:00 PM EDT
I thought I understood almost this entire episode, but I guess I missed part of it. Some of your comments were parts I did not notice. Of course, I am watching the subtitles somewhat intently to offset my rudimentary Spanish.
Boy, Alonso is getting scary. The actor is doing a good job of portraying someone with emotional disabilities. The uncle is more like a sociopathic individual - he knows what he is doing as he is being brutal. Dio is also aware of what he is doing.
I like the women in this except for Auggie. You just want to slap her. I keep hoping that Al's mama will turn on some of these bad guys, but she has to show a heart to help Al.
Cindy
Boy, Alonso is getting scary. The actor is doing a good job of portraying someone with emotional disabilities. The uncle is more like a sociopathic individual - he knows what he is doing as he is being brutal. Dio is also aware of what he is doing.
I like the women in this except for Auggie. You just want to slap her. I keep hoping that Al's mama will turn on some of these bad guys, but she has to show a heart to help Al.
Cindy
Mama Dragon will turn on El Diablo eventually and on Alonssso; she is out for herself and herself alone.
El Diablo is playing the standard male one-upmanship game with Alonssso. He can get all the women Alonsso can't satisfy. He's also got a better game and I'll bet he thinks that Camila is the prize.
El Diablo is playing the standard male one-upmanship game with Alonssso. He can get all the women Alonsso can't satisfy. He's also got a better game and I'll bet he thinks that Camila is the prize.
I have forgotten who or what was the evidence that DanAndres' wife is dead? I'm worried that she might come back into the picture and throughly complicate this story.
Bonney-There is no evidence, we only know that Abraham told Dandres that she died. We have no proof of it.
Dionisio won't win any points with Camila unless he continues to make her mother happy, and it looks like el Licenciado is about to spill the beans there. Even if that appointment goes awry, any "support" Dio shows Camila will have to be accompanied by increasing attention and affection toward Agustina or he will be on Cam's s--t list.
Did anyone notice that Piedad was peeling those cooked potatoes with her fingers? It made me think perhaps she'd moved all the sharp objects out of the kitchen completely lest Leoncio get any ideas!
Did anyone notice that Piedad was peeling those cooked potatoes with her fingers? It made me think perhaps she'd moved all the sharp objects out of the kitchen completely lest Leoncio get any ideas!
Traveling Lady, I hadn't thought about Vivi and Mariano, but I like that idea. I had assumed she and Rafa would eventually become more than friends, but someone with as much, um, presence as Mariano has got to be in this TN for a reason, and perhaps you've nailed it.
As for Dionisio and Camila, I find it hard to believe that he'll succeed with her, for all the reasons that others have already stated. He's such a self-centered, amoral creature that he assumes he can always get what he wants, but I think/hope he'll be defeated in his overtures to Camila.
I know that TNs almost always have some trivial, peripheral plot involving (usually) lower-class characters such as Luzma, and I fear that there is no other reason for the Luzma-Pablo plot, but I wish there were. By itself, it's already a FF for me.
As for Dionisio and Camila, I find it hard to believe that he'll succeed with her, for all the reasons that others have already stated. He's such a self-centered, amoral creature that he assumes he can always get what he wants, but I think/hope he'll be defeated in his overtures to Camila.
I know that TNs almost always have some trivial, peripheral plot involving (usually) lower-class characters such as Luzma, and I fear that there is no other reason for the Luzma-Pablo plot, but I wish there were. By itself, it's already a FF for me.
Thanks, J. Your first, explanatory para. about the facts of life (or some of the facts of life) is priceless. Fun and good reading, as always.
I wonder when Ximena enters the picture again, and under what circumstances. Competition for someone or something, no doubt!
Warning, by the way, the Wikopedia page on this novela contains many spoilers. Beware if you are like me and want to be surprised, even by the most predictable turns.
I wonder when Ximena enters the picture again, and under what circumstances. Competition for someone or something, no doubt!
Warning, by the way, the Wikopedia page on this novela contains many spoilers. Beware if you are like me and want to be surprised, even by the most predictable turns.
"The droop in his drawers". Too funny.
Remember Cesar Evora's previous villain roles were mostly sexual predators with an eye for younger women. El Diablo isn't as creepy as Federico Rivera or Atilio Montenegro, but I think he's more cold-blooded. He would have no problem jilting a silly middle-aged woman to pursue her intelligent and attractive daughter.
I'm sure Ximena will try to compete for Andres (Daniel).
Remember Cesar Evora's previous villain roles were mostly sexual predators with an eye for younger women. El Diablo isn't as creepy as Federico Rivera or Atilio Montenegro, but I think he's more cold-blooded. He would have no problem jilting a silly middle-aged woman to pursue her intelligent and attractive daughter.
I'm sure Ximena will try to compete for Andres (Daniel).
Jardinera, wonderful detailed recap. I agree with all of your asides. I can't wait for Monday's show for the Viv, Rafa, Dan meetup. I really like the Viviana character, her message is very powerful for women who watch this TN.
I do disagree about Isadora not looking like she could be Alonso's mother. She looks like an attractive mid to late 50's woman. If Alonso is mid to late 30's(he looks like that to me), she could easily be his mother, she could have had him at a young age.
I do disagree about Isadora not looking like she could be Alonso's mother. She looks like an attractive mid to late 50's woman. If Alonso is mid to late 30's(he looks like that to me), she could easily be his mother, she could have had him at a young age.
Ah, I had that wrong about Luzma. I thought she was expelled, not suspended. I thought her creepy uncle was telling her to get a job, since she was no longer in school. Thanks for setting me right on that one, J. I am getting vaguely interested in that story line now too.
Can you imagine anyone suggesting to another woman that she act like nothing happened when her husband was caught with a hooker?
Thanks for the laughs, J.
Cindy
Can you imagine anyone suggesting to another woman that she act like nothing happened when her husband was caught with a hooker?
Thanks for the laughs, J.
Cindy
In their argument in the bedroom, Al said to Isa that sometimes it seems that she's not really his mother, or something like that. It seemed to hit a nerve with Isa, and might be important. These are usually clues in tns. Renata said this same thing a few time to Fina in CME, and it turned out she was NOT her mother.
Great recap Jardinera, and very much worth the wait!
Great recap Jardinera, and very much worth the wait!
Can you imagine anyone suggesting to another woman that she act like nothing happened when her husband was caught with a hooker?
Sadly, I have a story relating to this.
Many years ago I dated a very attractive gentleman of the Italian persuasion whose grandparents were so religious that pregnancy was thought of as a state of purity. They did not have marital relations once a pregnancy was confirmed. His grandfather's hooker made house calls. They would be upstairs in the marital bed while the pregnant wife was in the kitchen making pasta sauce and meatballs.
I was too stunned to ask for further details.
As for whether Isadora Dragon is Alonssso's mother, it would not surprise me if she were his stepmother, which raises the issue of how did his birth mother die.
Sadly, I have a story relating to this.
Many years ago I dated a very attractive gentleman of the Italian persuasion whose grandparents were so religious that pregnancy was thought of as a state of purity. They did not have marital relations once a pregnancy was confirmed. His grandfather's hooker made house calls. They would be upstairs in the marital bed while the pregnant wife was in the kitchen making pasta sauce and meatballs.
I was too stunned to ask for further details.
As for whether Isadora Dragon is Alonssso's mother, it would not surprise me if she were his stepmother, which raises the issue of how did his birth mother die.
I agree that personality wise and looks wise, Alonso is very far from seeming like Isadora's son. And it wouldn't surprise me if he turns out to not be her biological son. Maybe she kidnapped him when he was a baby? Who knows. But as far as their ages go, they look the right ages to me to be mother and son.
UA - all I can say is never in my immediate family!
I am glad that this TN is portraying the modern women as strong. However, as a sped teacher, I am beginning to feel sorry for Al in his mental illness and all the people putting pressure on him.
Cindy
I am glad that this TN is portraying the modern women as strong. However, as a sped teacher, I am beginning to feel sorry for Al in his mental illness and all the people putting pressure on him.
Cindy
ViviDC: Thanks for mentioning that detail. I skipped over it.
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Terrible Tio gives me the creeps. I wonder about him having abused Piedad early on. Bwuawhahahaha!
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UA: I can only say, it takes all kinds! I'd have never dreamed of a family situation like that.
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Cathyx: IMHO, he's late 40's and lived a hard life! I'd say the guy playing Alonso looks very old for late 30's. My SIL, daughter, son and DIL & their cousins and friends are all mid-30 to 30 something. No wrinkles in this crowd of many. : > ))
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Traveling Lady: I have been burned by Wikepedia in the past and know what you mean!
Jardinera, it's true that we all take our views based on our own lives and people we know. I was basing Isadora's age based on my own age, I'm 50, and I would like to think that she looks older than me. As far as Alonso goes, he doesn't look as old to me as he does to you. I did look up what that actor's actual age is and he is 34. But that being said, I thought Cristian de la Fuente was late 20's and he's actually 38. So I know my metrics can be way off.
I also thought that Mariano looks too old to be Pablo's brother, he looks more the age that Pablo's dad would be. It's funny, but I don't seem to have as much trouble with American shows and age differences as I do with Spanish programs.
I also thought that Mariano looks too old to be Pablo's brother, he looks more the age that Pablo's dad would be. It's funny, but I don't seem to have as much trouble with American shows and age differences as I do with Spanish programs.
Jardinera, neither did I until I heard that story, but there is so much weirdness in the world that who would make that up?
Great recap, Jardinera. Well, I'll be hornswogalled. Camila told Alonso that it was over and appears to mean it! I love Sylvia Navarro ans she always seems to play the more modern protagonist.
Also, Daniel got outed already! Fast work writers. Way to move the story along.
Thanks to you, Jardinera, and all the AB recappers. The show is on so late I don't catch it all the time and I appreciate your wonderful recaps.
EJ
Also, Daniel got outed already! Fast work writers. Way to move the story along.
Thanks to you, Jardinera, and all the AB recappers. The show is on so late I don't catch it all the time and I appreciate your wonderful recaps.
EJ
UA and all other recapers were you able to get a link to watch online? I've got one; if you'd like to send it to you and whoever else... email me at renata770@yahoo.com
Permalink posted by : Sunday, September 9, 2012 at 4:32:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, September 9, 2012 at 4:32:00 PM EDT
Thanks, Jardinera, for another amazing recap. I love your sense of humor and your way with words. And I'm most grateful for the Spanish vocab you included.
Among the gems that cracked me up:
** "makes Viewerville wonder if there was another blocked artery, one depriving oxygenated blood to his brain!!"
** "Loping Lon"
and, of course,
** "damnable droop in Alonso’s drawers"
cathyx, I agree that Mariano looks too old to be Pablo's brother. With good reason: Rene Strickler is 50. That makes him 26 years younger than Eddy Vilard, who plays Pablo.
Among the gems that cracked me up:
** "makes Viewerville wonder if there was another blocked artery, one depriving oxygenated blood to his brain!!"
** "Loping Lon"
and, of course,
** "damnable droop in Alonso’s drawers"
cathyx, I agree that Mariano looks too old to be Pablo's brother. With good reason: Rene Strickler is 50. That makes him 26 years younger than Eddy Vilard, who plays Pablo.
Well, Jardinera, here comes the death certificate just in time for Dan's big revelation! Which will happen first? Maybe Dio will have to slip the forgery into his breast pocket before anyone sees it, or maybe he'll be discredited and found out for the scoundrel he is. Or maybe Dan will go along, playing dead until he knows it's safe. Vivi is the only fly in that ointment.
I think Alonso has always acted a bit inappropriately toward his mother and would be relieved to discover she's a step-, even if he's never been aware.
I wish TN casting directors would pay more attention to the ages of their actors. I agree that Isadora and Alonso look too close in age to be bio mother and son. But I thought pairing Susana Gonzales with Jose Ron in La Que No Podia Amar made her look like a downright cougar, and as sweet as Jorge Salinas and Ana Brenda were together, that was a bit of a stretch as well.
Thanks for an enjoyable recap, Jardinera!
I think Alonso has always acted a bit inappropriately toward his mother and would be relieved to discover she's a step-, even if he's never been aware.
I wish TN casting directors would pay more attention to the ages of their actors. I agree that Isadora and Alonso look too close in age to be bio mother and son. But I thought pairing Susana Gonzales with Jose Ron in La Que No Podia Amar made her look like a downright cougar, and as sweet as Jorge Salinas and Ana Brenda were together, that was a bit of a stretch as well.
Thanks for an enjoyable recap, Jardinera!
We don't yet know the story of Pablo and Mariano's parents. It could be that their dad married twice. The second time around to a much younger woman who is Pablo's mom. Ther are many of us who have siblings who are old enough to be our parents (I count myself- my sis and I have different moms).
The writers have been dropping enough hints (everyone commenting on how young she is and Al saying he at time's doesn't think she's his mom) to make it plausibly that Isa really IS too young to be Al's mom and isn't. Time and plot will tell.
The writers have been dropping enough hints (everyone commenting on how young she is and Al saying he at time's doesn't think she's his mom) to make it plausibly that Isa really IS too young to be Al's mom and isn't. Time and plot will tell.
JaneS, what I am more annoyed by is when casting directors go too young.
Televisa isn't guilty of this, but Venevision has been. In their recent novela Sacrificio de Mujer, which was yet another version of TdA, the actress playing the mother was only 30 years old. I tuned in to two episodes and didn't see a single actor who was more than 40. I find this very disturbing.
Televisa isn't guilty of this, but Venevision has been. In their recent novela Sacrificio de Mujer, which was yet another version of TdA, the actress playing the mother was only 30 years old. I tuned in to two episodes and didn't see a single actor who was more than 40. I find this very disturbing.
Jardinera - thanks. Terrific recap.
My what a big ego Dionisio has. I'm going to enjoy seeing Camila shoot him down.
My what a big ego Dionisio has. I'm going to enjoy seeing Camila shoot him down.
I posted a comment that seems to have disappeared. Had a big problem with the word verification. Here it is again:
Thanks Jardinera for the excellent recap.
My fav part was Isa telling Cam that Al needs her and expecting Cam to follow.
Even if Cam fell for Dio's line--and that's a big fat if--she wouldn't do that to her mother.
I thought Mariano for Viv too. I think it's a better fit than Rafa and Viv.
I've always had a prob with Isa and Al's scenes because I think she looks too young to be his birth mother. Looked it up and LC is 44. If she is his birth mother, that's a bit of bad casting.
Robey
Thanks Jardinera for the excellent recap.
My fav part was Isa telling Cam that Al needs her and expecting Cam to follow.
Even if Cam fell for Dio's line--and that's a big fat if--she wouldn't do that to her mother.
I thought Mariano for Viv too. I think it's a better fit than Rafa and Viv.
I've always had a prob with Isa and Al's scenes because I think she looks too young to be his birth mother. Looked it up and LC is 44. If she is his birth mother, that's a bit of bad casting.
Robey
Permalink posted by : Monday, September 10, 2012 at 4:34:00 PM EDT
: Monday, September 10, 2012 at 4:34:00 PM EDT
The age thing with Isa and Al really isn't bugging me. As soon as a woman turns 40 she starts playing the mother of the adult leads. I think Lucero is one of the few exceptions. While on the other hand, men are still playing the "young" male lead into their 40s. That actually bugs me more. I guess I'm more bugged by 40+ actors playing the sweet young thing, or that hothead young man, than them playing the middle-aged parent.
Hmmm, I do wish we were able to modify what we post. I just re-read what I wrote about Rene Strickler looking too old to be Pablo's brother, and I was dismayed to see that I said Rene was 50, 26 years younger than Pablo. Duh.... I of course meant 26 years OLDER. Oh well....
At any rate, Vivi made a good point about the possibility of Pablo and Mariano having different mothers but the same father.
At any rate, Vivi made a good point about the possibility of Pablo and Mariano having different mothers but the same father.
Thanks again, everyone! Interesting couple of discussion threads. Always an eye-opener seeing the different strokes for different folks!
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My friend has a couple of interesting theories:
After Dan finds out he's been declared dead, he and Rafa will convince Viv to keep his secret.
Dio will have Agustina killed to clear the way to seduce Cam.
Robey
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After Dan finds out he's been declared dead, he and Rafa will convince Viv to keep his secret.
Dio will have Agustina killed to clear the way to seduce Cam.
Robey
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: Monday, September 10, 2012 at 7:49:00 PM EDT
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