Caray, Caray!

Thank you Super Marta!

I don't know how you do it -- so fast, so complete and so funny with all the wry asides.

"Forget me… Goodbye my love, goodbye forever. (forget me… I will find my eye candy somewhere else that is not so expensive to enjoy the view)" Snort!

Your Wednesday marvels keep the rest of us honest for all the other days of the week. :D

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Word nerd note on "querer" vs "amar":

It was interesting to hear Lupe say to his sister: "Te quiero"; and then a beat later "Te amo". We are often taught that "amar" is used to speak of romantic love, or feelings of deep affection for one's spouse or lover. "Querer" is used between parents and children or brothers and sisters or non-romantic friends. And often it's used between "novios" who are commitment-shy.

But here Lupe says "Te amo" to his sister and he seems to mean: I love you profoundly. It's very powerful precisely because the word is not often used this way.
 

yes i found that carefully selected wording... but in this context it means he loves her VERY DEEPLY as a sister, with her virtues and her defects... but in most cases it is like you said, NM, 'amar' is usually reserved for romantic love.
in a couple, they might use it intermitently one way and the other, but when the love is not romantic it does sound odd if the word 'amar' is used instead.
Even from a parent to a child the word 'love' seems more acceptable than between siblings.
 

it was weird but well acted, watching the two twins in the same scene... Gael arrives to talk to Loopy and while the theme revolved around Loopy and their relationship as father and son, we had our old wonderful Gael. But the minute Loopy turned the subject to Gael/Elisa, the evil twin took over.

The other very well acted scenes were Gael/Damian and Loopy/Carmina. boy Sabine has the snake queen face and gesture down to an art by now. wonderful acting!
 

Thank you for the recap, marta! Sort of a meh episode but I got the feeling the stage is being set for some real action muy pronto.

Gael did not look quite as loco last night. Thank goodness. Maybe he is over his temper tantrum.

PadLupe looks strange in civilian clothes, without his collar. I hope there is not an anvil over his head. He is one of my favorite characters (and actors).

Carmina was having a Very Bad Hair Day.

Seriously, the best thing Dam & Gael could do is put Elisa up for bidding on eBay. Buyer beware.

I am so glad(!) Paloma told Gael that he must tell Elisa about Gaeloma. Betrayals, indeed!

 

Seriously, the best thing Dam & Gael could do is put Elisa up for bidding on eBay. Buyer beware.

LOL good one! but i am afraid Dam and Gael will get a rude awakening of how Elisa looks from someone outside looking in (third parties who are NOT obsessed with her boobies and booties or us the Patio members, including our dear goners (Rosie, Stefie, Nina, Kenya) with us).
Still waiting for the revival of Horacio and Ingrid... will they
 

Love it all Marta! Much of the same old last night, but as god-awful the plot and dialog is ( and thanks for those "translations" - Tonka trucks Bwahahaha!) the acting was pretty decent last night as others have pointed out.

But I agree-- what Carmina wants, Carmina tries to get, and she wants Loopy to shut up...permanently. Anyone else bothered by the fact that there are too many anvils, murders in this one small little town? Those middle-school little writers have seen too many Friday the 13th or Quentin Tarantino movies. I'd be packing my bags if I lived there. I so don't want anything to happen to the good Padre. Poor Lucio, he'd be the only elder voice of reason left in town...the man shouldn't have to be burdened with this bunch.

Did love the scene with him and evil/schizophrenic Gael. Funny how a couple "fun times" with Pal turned him into a raving lunatic. Nice job writers. And he doesn't even know about the bebe yet. Dam should give his Bro lessons on how to do the bed-hopping without being eaten up with guilt.




 

Loopy certainly used a double-edge sword to stop Gael from killing Dam. On one side Gael FINALLY knows who he is and where he came from... on the other side it must not be a fuzzy feeling to know you were entitled by birth to many things you never had... while your sibling enjoyed it all along.
Can you imagine the two dinner tables? rice, beans and tortillas (if lucky) on one and the best european foods/ best locally available meat cuts and fresh produce in the other. Late model sports car vs .. what was it... ah! Amadeus!!
 

Bien hecho, Marta.

We only have 33 episodes left. When I get home later I will take a shot at a Karmageddon Poll. I think the choices are simpler for this than they were for LQNPA.
 

Thanks for the recap Marta. Enjoyed your title and the info on "amar" vs "querer" you and NM mentioned.

I hope things start moving now instead of characters acting without sense or reason.

I really hope Lupe doesn't die. I would like to see someone who knows what she is capable of foil her.
 

have to say Gael looked absolutely delicious today, complete with huge boots, dirty facial hair, plaid shirt and the bruises on the face... yummily perfect teddy bear!
ok, there... had my drooling moment. I feel better now...
 

i melt when he gets on 'pa'padre!' mode. can't help it.
 

my fav hair length/color on Mark too... AARGGHHH!! ok, stop it marta!
 

I cannot wait to see Gael's face when he learns Paloma is preggers and he is the baby daddy. And he HAS to find out, right? because this is a telenovela.

marta - LOL
 

What we learned last night:

Paloma needs to have a Coliseum of seats.

Elisa is getting what she deserves.

Lupe will soon have a chance to have a chat with Augusto, Estefania, Rosendo, etc.


How can Paloma go back up in Elisa's face and play BFF when she hasn't told Elisa about her & Gael's "fun times" together?

Yes, if Gael wants to marry Elisa he needs to tell her about the betrayal with Paloma. But if Paloma wants to be friends with Elisa, SHE should have told Elisa the truth. It's just as much Paloma's truth as it is Gael's.

Elisa gets what she deserves re: Damian because she set this whole chain into motion by lying to Damian that she had fun times with Gael, was profoundly in love with Gael and was the town ho. During her & Damian's fun times, she wanted to immediately leave to run to Gael. So while Damian is Dam Stoopid, Elisa has given him plenty of doubt.

I don't agree with Damian that Rosendo would have given Gael this shower of attention, because while Rosendo loved Damian, he blew Damian off ALL THE TIME to have fun times with Carmina. The reason Rosendo is dead today is because he was abandoning his family to run off with Carmina. If Rosendo did that to his legitimately recognized son, he would have done the same to Gael.

And Rosendo's will most likely provided for Gael...that's why Alfonsina burned it up...because if Rosie's will only provided for Alfonsina & Damian she wouldn't have burnt it up.
 

Great job, Marta. I chuckled at your assessment of Gael's appearance last night. I was thinking, wouldn't he look great if he just had a shave and a haircut?

My favorite scene was the confrontation between (ex)Padre Lupe and Carmina. What great chemistry. Now that he is leaving the priesthood, I'd love to see them get together... although those murders could be a deal-breaker.

"For all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these 'it might have been'" John Greenleaf Whittier

I got the impression from Alfonsina that had Rosendo known that Ingrid was pregnant with Gael he would have dumped her (and I guess marry Ingrid... shudder) and Damián would never have been conceived. Would Gael have been better off?

Carlos









 

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Anon, love your list... esp about Loopy's soon to come close encounters. LOL!

also Elisa did lead Dam on to the huge doubt and confusion... and not only that but she egged/led Gael on to believing she was marrying him and that he had a chance with her, when she knew she would only love Dam forever. So even though i found his yelling at her 'I hope you are satisfied with your deed!' a bit harsh, she does deserve it...

also agree that the 'truth' about the powow in the hut near the cenote is a truth of two people, two people equally as important to Elisa, and she will feel betrayed by BOTH of them...

so noone there is 'innocent pure and clean of lies and betrayals'.

agree that Rosie's will must have provided for Gael, at least a monthly allowance and enough money to complete college level schooling (just to make sure his 'good deed' was followed through with or without him around). Otherwise i agree Alfie would have no reason to burn the will.
But i have to agree also on Rosie's attitude. if he had learned Gael was his birth child, he would have provided for him, i dont think he would have gone quite as far as bringing Gael to the hacienda to have them live equally as brothers, though. But certainly he would have given Gael his surname and financial backing.
But Rosie had his 'cola que le pisen', i agree.
IF Rosie had married Ingrid instead of Alfie and only had Gael, maybe the story would have repeated itself but with Gael being the 'raised rich' kid with a dad who abandoned him because he could not stand his mother, and Rosie would have found an 'Tangel-Ho'-like option and be gone just like here.

 

My brain stopped several episodes ago when Elisa/Eliar was feeding Damian all of this misinformation re her relationship with Gael.

Somebody PLEASE explain to me the point of all of that? It just does not seem like a 'logical' action on the part of a person who is finally with their one true love.

Right. I understand that oftentimes, there is no logic in these stories, but why did Elisa do this? What point did it serve? Just how pathetic is she, anyway?

Gael/Tacher looks like a dirtbag to me right now. Ugly hair, ugly faces, and ugly clothes do not make this guy a galan in my book, but hey...

Where in the heck is this story going?

I also think Rosendo is/was a loser.
 

if you want to check out Mark T shorter hair, suited, clean shaven and cleaned up, check his Jorge characater at Para volver a amar sunday mornings at 9am EST on Uni. those who watched LHDM got to see him in the entire range... from clean rich shaven to really looking like a drunk dirt bag.
 

Maybe my memory was playing tricks on me, but in that eerie and menacing encounter between Carmina and Lupe at the end of the episode, I heard the voice that Rene Casados used all through La Madrastra.

These two actors would be great at cartoon voice-overs. I'm waiting for Sabine to use her "I just swallowed some helium" voice again; I heard it here but let it slide unremarked.

About Mark Tacher -- yeah, he cleans up nice but he's not exactly an Adonis, even at his best. Since Mexican novelas seem to be stuck on hiring surgically-enhanced beauty queens and genetic-freak Mr. Universe types for protagonista roles these days, I think Mr. T is stuck as an also-ran. (Although he would certainly make a splendid antagonista.)
 

"Lupe will soon have a chance to have a chat with Augusto, Estefania, Rosendo, etc."
BwaHahahahahaaaa!


"And Rosendo's will most likely provided for Gael...that's why Alfonsina burned it up...because if Rosie's will only provided for Alfonsina & Damian she wouldn't have burnt it up."
You always amaze me with your rational thinking. Well done! Why didn't WE think of that. LOL Oh, right, our telenovela beanie hats are on sooo tiiiight that the oxygen is cut off to our brains (as it is supposed to be) so none of us thought of this.
 

Gracias Super Miercoles Marta. Your detailed conversations and descriptions are greatly appreciated. I always feel they are a gift to me because I get to recap the next episode knowing exactly what went down the previous night.

I agree that both Gael AND Paloma should tell Elisa the truth. Or just keep their mouths shut. For Paloma to insist that Gael tell Elisa is kind of chicken-s**t on her part.

Favorite scene: the final scene with Lupe and Carmina. They both get those uber scary voices and faces. Shudder.
 

NM, i do admit that not everyone likes the 'looks' of Mark T... but to me he is in the category of high acting skill and attractive voice, sort of in the same category that Rafa Novoa is in COlombia and Lizalde, Evora and Peniche Sr have been in Televisa... not an 'Adonis' to the general population but plenty of charisma.
Mark likes challenges... does not mind doing non-novela shows, so i doubt he would allow Televisa to box him in a cookie cutter role over and over like other actors have been put in. And he certainly has made himself a household recognizable icon in most of South America so jobs he would not lack.

That is one flaw i see in Televisa, if you are not the 'adonis' or 'diva' to the general population, you better be a great actor (a la Rene Casados, Eric del Castillo, and females like Raquel Montero, Daniela Romo, Dona Magda Guzman, etc). I like mixing new faces with the household ones... not to carry same cast from one novela to next.


 

I guess more than a flaw, it is strategy in the part of Televisa.
 

Ah, Marta--I think we need to have a special patio support group meeting for us Tacher fans when this is over--commiserate how once again writers have trashed his character in a TN and the fact we still came out of this thing a fan.

NM - I agree. He doesn't have that chiseled look they seem to want in the main galan (though his bod is fine in the qualifying muscle department). After watching his turn as evil twin Gael, I could really see him have a hoot being the bad guy. Sort of like Sergio Goyri - can turn on the charm, not bad on the eyes, but boy - the stares and evil can just come blasting out. Not everyone can do a great villian.our boy may have a future.
 

Daisynjay, would love to have that support group meeting.
as a villain, when he shows that tantrum/anger face, Mark reminds me of Sergio Sendel... i agree he would have a hoot with a villain character.
 

Thank you so much, Super Miercoles Marta! I have so much to do today but couldn't bear a day without my TN recap fix!

NM, thank you for clarifying the "amar" "querer" thing. When Padre Lupe said them both to Fina, I thought: "What's the difference". They've always confused me because doesn't querer mean to want? So I always thought "Te quiero" was more romantic because it meant "I want you". It's great to get the nuance of the word! Now I know...

Last night I must have thought 10 times "I'll just wait for Marta to explain it tomorrow!"

Muchas Gracias, Amiga!

Katy
 

I appreciate the comments/thoughts re Tacher.

I also appreciate that you let me have my thoughts re this actor even though it strays from the main stream thought here.

I don't like cookie cutter actors. I agree that he brings something 'else' to the table, but right now, he looks quite ugly to me, so I guess he is doing his job.

Rene Strickler is no hunk of the type that Televisa seems to want these days, but I like his versatility. Perhaps that will be Tacher's niche as well.

It's hard to decide whether it's the actor; the character, or both that I don't like right now, but this Gael jerk is wearing thin.
 

Katy said: 'Last night I must have thought 10 times "I'll just wait for Marta to explain it tomorrow!"' Hee, I did the same thing.

Marta, sounds like your Tacher table out on the patio might be getting crowded. (Except for a few of you whom Gael is driving nuts.) I just watched a video of him on youtube from La Hija de Mariachi. Was that him doing his own singing?
 

Sylvia,

I'm sure Marta will be back to give you chapter and verse but the short answer:

No, the singing of the principals in LHDM is all dubbed. Brilliantly, yes, but indubitably dubbed. Neither Tacher nor his co-star Carolina Ramírez do their own singing.
 

Thanks for the hard work on this recap Marta. I'm so glad it wasn't one of mine to do. The conversation in this episode was so ridiculous, I was rolling my eyes over and over. The constant on again/off again theme with Elisa and Damian rivals that awful female boxing TN that I refuse to remember the name of. I'm so past caring if they get together, it's not even funny. The only couples I care about getting together is Enrique and Paloma, although she's too stoopid to know he's the best guy for her, and Lucio and Mara.

How can Dam stand to be by his mother? She has done so much damage to him and he still stays by her bedside. That's another reason I don't care if he and Elisa are together at the end. I don't like most of these characters anymore. I used to, but the writers have made me hate them.
 

Novela Maven, thanks. Drat, I was hoping those were his own pipes so I could love him a little more.
 

actually the guy whose voice you hear through Mark's character is usually standing behind him, his real name is Jairo del Valle (his real name is also used in the novela). he plays the little guitar, there is another guy playing the huge one and another one playing the classic size one. Jairo looks the oldest of the three. His son is also in the manada. The voices of 'Rosario' and 'Coloso' are also dubbed.
 

you see and hear Jairo del Valle singing in a few 'Pasion de Gavilanes' episodes.
 

nope, singing is not Mark's forte'. just take my word for it.
 

he plays the little guitar,...
lol, i meant he plays the manada member who plays the smaller guitar....
 

I don't like most of these characters anymore. I used to, but the writers have made me hate them.
I am in the same position, cathyx. It is a shame, too. This telenovela started out quite well. The exxxtteeeeennnnsssssiiiiooooonnnn has ruined it.
 

Extensions ALWAYS ruin telenovelas. Can anyone recall if an extension ever improved a telenovela, or at least the TN remained "as good as"?
 

The extension ruined La Que No Podia Amar too. Once Jorge Salinas was hospitalized, they never got back on track with the story. But I can't blame the lost story on his temporary absence. It was more the extension that did it in. Dragging things out that never should have been dragged out, and when it was in the finale, they didn't even explain and tie up a few of the loose ends. And they had a lot of time to do it too.
 

I totally agree on extensions killing great storylines... this tn being an extreme example of that. the other one is La Mentira for those who have been watching TNs long enough. ('98).
Even Pasion de Gavilanes was extended and it was a circus when Mario C. got hurt and they went into a swamp for several weeks, it seemed.
This tn took a turn right about when the 'they are siblings!' scheme took over as Dam/Eliar were heading out of town.

 

Ah, Super Marta Miercoles, you've hit another one out of the park. And I just marvel at your energy to write down all the details as well as your own from-the-heart reactions. You're a phenom, lady.

I hope Paloma gets her head on straight soon and that she realizes Enrique is too good to let go.

And please, Dios mio, keep Padre Lupe safe!
 

Very worried about Padre Lupe for two reasons. 1) The code of cannon law states: "Can. 1388 §1. A confessor who directly violates the sacramental seal incurs a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See." And cannon law is also clear: there is never a just reason for violating the seal even if the priest's or another's life is in danger! Well, Fr. Lupe needs to tell the bishop and I guess a case could be made for him in Rome! If he were to die in this state he could still go to heaven if he makes a 'perfect act of contrition'. Believe me, if anyone could make a perfect act of contrition it's Fr. Lupe 2) Carmina wants to kill him. Will the orange witch succeed? I hope not. But she does have a string of murders to her discredit.
 

Thanks for the canon law, Anon 6:38. Interesting stuff. If Carmina does go after Lupe...and he forgives her even as he's dying...would that do it?

Great recap, Marta, and great comments all. I may never catch up, but I *feel* as if I'm there...

I agree that winners never extend, and extenders never win. But I guess it must make money, or they wouldn't do it. In contrast, we have El Tal, which was so stupid it was CUT SHORT -- it didn't get any smarter, for sure, but it got way more entertaining. ;}
 

UA, what's a Karmageddon Poll?