Thursday, October 18, 2012
Refugio Para el Amor #136 Thu 10/18/12 Luci Grieves, It Sucks To Be Rod, Lil Roddy is Baptized
Luci's Apartment of Faith and Hope:
There is little hope and faith right now in Luci's apartment. She is crying by her lil Roddy's crib, wanting forgiveness for lil Roddy being taken from her and she is desperately crying and wondering where her bebe is. She is depressed and greiving.
Rod and Gagme's Apartment of Hate and Gloom:
Rod has come home, tired and anxious and of course gets accosted by the screaming Mimi (Ed Note: When I lived in Florida the natives always talked about the screaming Mimis, the skeeters that is. Huge suckers and will suck you dry of blood well this is Gagme right on the money). Does she greet her husband lovingly, oh no, she is screaming about how he aint been home, he should have been with her cause she's sick and Julie and his Mama had to take care of her, when he is the one that should have taken care of her, as Anita said, ME , ME , ME, and after all she is six months pregnant with HIS bebe, and he tries to tell her of course, been looking for his other bebe, but that of course isn't her problem to deal with, and she tells him he is reponsible for everything that is going on. Sucks to be Rod. Note to Gagme: I hope the hounds of hell pursue you into the fiery lake of hell, that is, after your poor innocent bebe is born.
Luci's Apartment of Faith and Hope:
Luci is still crying by lil Roddy's crib, asking for forgivness and desolation is palatable in that room as she grips the crib and cries. Paz and Claudio come in to comfort her. Claudio asks her to go back and rest, she needs the rest and it isn't her fault. Claudio doesn't want her punishing herself. They are doing and will do anything they can to find Luci's bebe. They tell her to have faith and both have to hold her up as she cries and wants her bebe. She is totally desolate.
The Boxcar Barrio:
Dona Chuy is showing Don Chelo how to burp the bebe so he doesn't get colic. Don Chelo is learning. She is telling him the bebe will have to be changed also. Don Chelo wants to know if she is coming back tomorrow, she says no. She tells Don C he has to feed the bebe every three hours! ( I remember doing that) and she says this bebe is his sole reponsiblity. He wants to know why? Dona Chuy tells him that this little angel was put in his path for a reason! I think all of Viewerville knows why that is! At this lil Roddy belches, which means he's good to go.
Torreslanda Home, Pato's Room:
Pato is in his bed and of course the la loca Mama is in there telling him she wants him to get better. He says he is very effected by what happened to Luci and of course she says everyone has been effected by what happened, everyone except her of course.Pato says that poor bebe, where is he, he needs his Mama, you get the pic. Well Rosa says God has a plan for everyone, everything is in God's hands. Pato just wants to be near Luci, help her in her time of need, and Rosa la loca ain't liking that, and tells him he isn't the father of this bebe, but Pato says not important, Rod has a wife and child on the way and Pato wants to be there for Luci for whatever she needs. La loca so not happy bout that.
Hanna and Lorenzo (On The Phone):
Hanna has called Lorenzo to find out how Luci is doing. Lorenzo tells her Luci is at home in her apartment greiving for the lost bebe. Hanna is crying too, when Lorenzo tells Hanna that poor Luci isn't doing well. He begs her not to cry, cause then he'll start crying too. Lorenzo says he is going over to see Luci tomorrow and Hanna wants to go to. I think they will meet while they are visiting Luci.
Luci's Apartment of Faith and Hope:
Paz is trying to get Luci to eat something so she can get better and build up her strength, and Ariche comes in and says something to Luci I didn't catch. Magda convinces Ariche to go to bed and sleep and pray to the Guardian Angels to protect both Luci's bebe and him as they sleep. Ariche says he will pray for Luci and the bebe.
Frigid and Mati in the Kitchen of Torreslanda Home:
Frigid and Mati are in the kitchen, both looking sad and for once Frigid is well, not being so Frigid. She feels bad that Luci's bebe is missing and especially that Rod is sad. But then again he is married to Gagme and will have another bebe. Mati says Rod will always miss his lil Roddy until he is found. Mr. Mads thinks Frigid is really a dude. I tried to tell him, but he wouldn't listen to me.
In The Hood, Estalita's Apartment
The Barrio Folks are hanging out Fabian, Lorenzo, Estalita, Vio and Ofelia talking about lil Roddy. Lorenzo is so upset about his missing nephew. Fabian says they've searched, the police have come up with jack, and Ofelia is pithed too. Vio can't understand how someone could take that bebe out of Luci's arms. Note to the popo's: For goodness sake can't you trace that call that came in for the ambulance that was called for Luci at least, and find the SE Julia already and hammer her with questions till she fesses up.
Torreslanda Home, Rosa and Max's Bedroom of Eternal Shame:
Rosa is brushing that hair and asking Max if he is going to the media, I think, with the missing bebe notice, but something was said about prestige and their family and Rosa remarks how this bebe was born out of wedlock, and Max tells her thanks to her, she broke up that marriage cause it was a marriage of sincere love. Oh, and Max said about the news that it involved the life of his grandson. Rose pish toshes this idea of sincere love. Max is still relying on the authorities and Max is suspicious of the clinic Luci was in and what kind of person could have taken his grandson. Rosa says it must have been a person with no soul, no heart, reckless, unable to feel the least affection or compassion for others. Kinda sounds like la loca doesn't it???? Rosa says the lil bebe is in God's hands now and she feels bad for Rod, and Max wants to know what about Luci? Yeah, she feels bad for her too, but Rod is her son, doncha know, Luci meh, not so much. Max is disgusted.
Box Car Barrio:
Don Chelo is woken up by little Roddy's crying. The poor bebe is hungry. Don Chelo is kinda irritated, but gets up and cuddles with lil Roddy and says he'll feed him, but first he will change him. Note to Don Chelo, you are doin' it backwards but in this case maybe not so much. You see lil Roddy has a poopy diaper, and Don Chelo is fanning himself as he's changing lil Roddy. Don't you love when men change a diaper?
Rod's and Gagme's Apartment of Hate and Gloom:
Rod is still camped out in the living room of said apartment and he is looking at a pic of little Roddy on his cell phone. He is swearing he will find his lil Roddy, he promised Luci and they should be together. Well, we interrupt this reverie, with the screaming Mimi, who snatches that cell phone right out of Rod's hands. Gagme the screaming Mimi wants to know why he is looking at that damn bebe and Rod is very pithed and says it isn't bad to be looking at his bebe's pic, and Gagme of course can't stop spewing and screaming like a Mimi and says so Luci lost the bebe the night of the storm, the bebe is probably dead! Where is that anvil??? Ok, not until her bebe is born. He is really pithed now and grabs her by the arms and shoves her against the wall and tells her she better nevvaa evaa say that again, the bebe is alive and the only reason he is still with the screaming banshee, Mimi, fill in the blank, cause she is carrying his babe, and that's why he's there, nothing else. After Rod goes off, Gagme says, listen Rod, I'd sell my soul to the devil if that damn domestica and her bebe would die. This recapper is sick and disgusted, and Mr. Mads had to leave the room, you see he was yelling. He hates Gagme, Julie and Rosa and wishes the maximum anvil for them.
The Box Car Barrio:
Don Chelo has finished removing that poopy diaper from lil Roddy and he is talking to the bebe. He is going to feed him, but first he is gonna have a little nip of booze. He tells lil Roddy this is so not for him and never to drink, booze that is. He tells lil Roddy they are in this together. He gets lil Roddy's bottle and feeds him while singing to him. I don't know what the song is. The background is lit like Don C is back on the stage. He continues to feed lil Roddy and notices the Virgin of Guadalupe medal around the little one's neck and Don C can't figure out who would put this beautiful bebe in the trash like garbage.
Luci's Apartment of Faith and Hope:
Luci is in bed asleep and kinda hears Don Chelo singing. Paz is sleeping next to Luci. Luci is having a nightmare. She is back at the Barrio Hospital holding her bebe, when Gagme, dressed as a nurse comes in with a needle and puts this stuff in the needle into her I.V. Luci is scared and turns her face, and won't let go of the bebe. Now here comes la loca Rosa, also in a nurse's uniform, and as Luci is passing out, la loca takes the bebe and goes and Gagme with her grill showing leaves too. Luci wakes up, breathing heavily and it wakes Paz up. Paz wants to know what is wrong and Luci wants to know where is her bebe? Now I have to say here, Luci really does know the truth in a way. She seems to subconciously know that Rosa stole her bebe. Paz tries to comfort Luci.
Torreslanda Home, Dining Room:
The three Killer Bees and Conny and Gagme is yapping about a bad heart and how Luci lost the bebe , and how could a mother do that, after all Gagme herself is having a bebe soon, Conny looks disgusted. The Champagne Queen pops up that the bebe is probably dead, and besides there is another bebe on the way, and Conny tells the Champagne Queen she could do with out her horrible comments. Pato comes in looking more cheerful than he has in days and greets his favorite Tia Conny. Rosa is not likin' that Pato wants to go to work, he should be resting and they have lots of employees, they don't need him right now, but he tells his la loca mama, that he isn't going to work but to be with Luci. Conny tells Pato to say hi to Luci for her and is thinking about her. Pato says he will and he goes, while Gagme tries to be nice by saying bye my little BIL, he totally ignores her and Gagme is showing that grill again.
Luci's Apartment of Faith and Hope:
Luci is in bed, looking terrible, like she hasn't slept in days. So desolate is she. Dr. Nice and come to examine her and isn't surprised she is in this condition considering what she has been through and the taking of the bebe. He prescribes some sleeping pills for Luci to help her sleep and she is to rest. He tells her to take them when she needs to. He gives the prescription to Paz. Luci says her heart is broken.
Box Car Barrio:
Don Chelo is sleeping at the table, exhausted from getting up every three hours to feed the little chamaco. He is exhausted and tells Dona Chuy to give him the bebe and he gets into bed with the bebe, bad idea Don Chelo. Dona Chuy is so not down with that. She takes the bebe from Don Chelo and tells him he is going to need more formula for the bebe and to shag his butt to work. Well, who is going to take care of the little chamaco then, she elects herself the caretaker while he works. So she encourages Don Chelo to get to work. Then Dona Chuy says since the poor chamaco was left in the trash, I bet he was never baptized! Dona Chuy wants Don Chelo to think of a name to name him so to speak. Of course, they don't know lil Roddy's true name. So they are thinking of some names.
Het Het:
We finally have an appearance with Don Aquiles and Copio. Don A is concerned he hasn't heard anything about Luci and how she is doing. Copio has been trying to contact his contacts in the capital but no luck and Don A wants Copio to use his head and turns Copio's little forelock as he says this. Don A wants to know if he called Estalita's but Copio never got an answer, so Don A says call Vio, Copio doesn't have the number and Luci's phone doesn't answer either, and besides Copio says if there was bad news the whole town would know, wouldn't they? They both don't have a clue.
Box Car Barrio:
Don Chelo is cleaning up when Dona Chuy comes in and says she talked to the Padre, but they need a birth record for the bebe so they can't take him to the church to baptize him. Note to the two of you, go anyway. Now they are worried about where they can get some papers.
Two Months Later:
Luci's Apartment of Faith and Hope:
It is two months later and now there is some faith and hope in Luci's apartment. Luci, Pato and Paz are together, and Luci has been looking at pics on her cell phone of holding lil bebe Roddy. She is saying it has been two long months and no news of her bebe. Paz says they will never give up looking and Pato advices her never to give up faith. Pato tells her she will never be alone, she has support from everyone, including him and Luci thanks him for his understanding, his presence with being with her, and the hope she has of finding the bebe. Pato holds out his hand to her and reminds her she will never be alone. They continue to hold hands.
Box Car Barrio:
Don Chelo and Dona Chuy are together and are about to perform the sacrament of baptism. Dona Chuy is trying to remember how the Padre does it and they cross themselves. Don Chelo is holding lil Roddy. Dona Chuy crosses the bebe with a cloth, I am thinking is dipped in Holy Water, and then she takes a cup, with lil Roddy's head hanging over a bowl and baptizes him with the name of Matteo. So now lil Roddy's name is Matteo. Dona Chuy wipes lil Matteo's head of the water, while he fusses. Dona Chuy and Don Chelo are having a little celebration for them and Matteo as he has been baptized now. They are having coffee, milk and those huge shell shaped cookies. Don C thanks Dona C for helping him with lil Matteo and she says no problem the lil chamaco has stolen her heart, well you get the pic. They salute Matteo. They talk about Matteo's birthday and how they will celebrate it with all the children in the barrio. How sweet.
Luci's Apartment of Faith and Hope:
Luci looks more like herself and she is trying to convince Paz to go home. Evidently, Magda and Ariche have gone home long ago. Paz doesn't want to leave Luci alone, she just can't. Luci tells Paz she won't be alone, and besides Claudio, Rod and Max have not given up looking for lil Roddy and besides Luci says don't you miss Magda, Ariche and Namaruchi? Besides they need you for the pottery biz. Paz is still not wanting to leave Luci alone, but Luci says she's better, don't worry. Luci says that she has an ache in her heart for her bebe and she will be strong and healthy for that bebe and Paz encourages her never to give up on finding the little bebe and Luci is worried that there has been no news about the bebe, noone can find him, but she isn't giving up hope. Paz says when she' s stronger she should do her ceramics and Luci says she will, but for now will be going back to the office to work. After sometime Luci says she will work with the ceramics again and even come to Het Het. Luci said I think that Claudio encouraged her to go back to work and Paz agrees with him. There is someone at the door and Luci goes to get it. It's Vio who has come to take Luci to work. Luci doesn't want to leave Paz alone while she works, but Paz tells her to go on and Luci says she will get Claudio to arrange her flight home. Vio is sad that Paz is going, but Vio gets that she wants to be back in Het Het with Magda. Vio says she'll have Lorenzo stop by to see Paz before she goes and kisses Paz on the cheek. Luci and Vio go.
Nicole's Salon:
Max comes into the salon, and Vicky is busy with another manacurist going over the appointment book. Max tells Vicky good afternoon, would like some service from you other than the kind you offer here. I have money, lots of it he tells her, but he wants this service now. He eyes her up and down, but she is pithed.
Fancy Hospital in the D.F.
Oh, looky here, what have we here? Could it possibly be. I wish they had shown the Screaming Mimi just screaming away, but sadly no. Dr. Nice is telling Gagme, wait for it, it's a beautiful GIRL, HA!!!!!!!! The bebe is really crying. Dr. Nice congrats Gagme and the bebe is looking hale and hearty. Dr. Nice wants to know if Gagme would like to hold the bebe. And what does she answer, anyone????? No, of oourse. She would rather the bebe go to the nursery and let them take care of the little bebe. Have I said how much I hate this woman????? So Gagme says a girl and shakes her head, I'd like to shake her silly and tell her it isn't all about HER!!!!!
Advances:
Pato is working with his therapist when Hanna comes in to bring Pato the joyful news about the new bebe.
Rod is happy with his little girl.
Luci is still crying about it being two months later and no news about her bebe.
La Loca is telling Pato and Hanna that Luci's bebe is probably an angel in Heaven.
Don Chelo is crossing the street in a homemade bebe carriage with little Matteo in it, when Rosa's car almost creams them!
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This is so frustrating. How can these two ignore the medallion? Doesn't that say that his baby was taken from someone with means who's likely to reward them for finding the baby?
Am I wrong or is the actress who plays the young Paz in the flashback the same one who abandoned Margarito in LQNPA?
Max must be burying his head in the sand; he should be confused and/or shocked that Roselena isn't distraught over little Roddy being missing.
Someone previously asked why nobody has alerted the media about this and I am guessing that Roselena gave the excuse that she doesn't want it known that she has a nieto "fuera de matrimonio." Bitch! That child was conceived during a marriage and born after a divorce she engineered.
There is no punishment big enough for her.
This is so frustrating. How can these two ignore the medallion? Doesn't that say that his baby was taken from someone with means who's likely to reward them for finding the baby?
Am I wrong or is the actress who plays the young Paz in the flashback the same one who abandoned Margarito in LQNPA?
Max must be burying his head in the sand; he should be confused and/or shocked that Roselena isn't distraught over little Roddy being missing.
Someone previously asked why nobody has alerted the media about this and I am guessing that Roselena gave the excuse that she doesn't want it known that she has a nieto "fuera de matrimonio." Bitch! That child was conceived during a marriage and born after a divorce she engineered.
There is no punishment big enough for her.
Well, we know why Rosa doesn't want to alert the media and that Max would comply; we just don't know why Rodrigo, CL, Luci, Paz, Magda, Lorenzo aren't alerting the media.
We haven't been shown that these two even saw the medallion. What happened to it? It would definately show them that the baby wasn't a throw away or unwanted.
We haven't been shown that these two even saw the medallion. What happened to it? It would definately show them that the baby wasn't a throw away or unwanted.
Enarie- Don Chelo did notice the amulet tonight.
Mads- Looking forward to the recap.
Another sad episode. I'm hoping a few happy things start happening soon. I guess the birth of Rod's daughter should be a happy occassion. It is for Rod. For Gala...not so much. I bet she'll be happy to get back to her skin tight pencil skirts.
Mads- Looking forward to the recap.
Another sad episode. I'm hoping a few happy things start happening soon. I guess the birth of Rod's daughter should be a happy occassion. It is for Rod. For Gala...not so much. I bet she'll be happy to get back to her skin tight pencil skirts.
As long as she can get rid of the stretch marks.
The avances are definitely creepy. I am shuddering at what Roselena might say to poor Chelo.
The avances are definitely creepy. I am shuddering at what Roselena might say to poor Chelo.
Very scary that she saw the baby in the preview. Max did notice and was annoyed with Rosa's coldness about Luci and the baby. No matter how evil he may or may not be it is beyod his comprehension what Rosa has done this time. I cn hardly wait until he discovers the truth. If there is one thing we know for sure Gala's baby will not be named Luciana. LOL
Permalink posted by 
: Thursday, October 18, 2012 at 11:22:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, October 18, 2012 at 11:22:00 PM EDT
But did Rod go live somewhere else after he said he wanted to?
Let's talk cast. The actress who plays Chuy was the long-suffering abused mother of the bad Yadhira Carillo in La Otra. She's hardly aged in a decade. Which brings me circuitously to Brigida. When I first saw her, and especially heard her, she reminded me of the old woman who played Sabina in La Otra, a real 'actuacion muy especial' kind of thing because that actress, Ofelia Guilmain was a regal woman who'd had a very long career. Turns out she was the Brigida actress's mother. I thought their vocal similarity was a coincidence because if anything it seemed they would be too close in age. Brigida is no spring chicken. Their tone of voice and enunciation are much the same and now I see a similarity in appearance.
I was home recuperating yesterday and I saw Pato in a Mujer episode where he was just the opposite of our Pato. And Don Aquiles in one with Edith Gonzalez where he was quite the same character. Our helpful Licenciado Barrera was in both. I still get amazed that we see the same actors over and over in Novelaland, yet most times, it's easy to buy the new character.
Let's talk cast. The actress who plays Chuy was the long-suffering abused mother of the bad Yadhira Carillo in La Otra. She's hardly aged in a decade. Which brings me circuitously to Brigida. When I first saw her, and especially heard her, she reminded me of the old woman who played Sabina in La Otra, a real 'actuacion muy especial' kind of thing because that actress, Ofelia Guilmain was a regal woman who'd had a very long career. Turns out she was the Brigida actress's mother. I thought their vocal similarity was a coincidence because if anything it seemed they would be too close in age. Brigida is no spring chicken. Their tone of voice and enunciation are much the same and now I see a similarity in appearance.
I was home recuperating yesterday and I saw Pato in a Mujer episode where he was just the opposite of our Pato. And Don Aquiles in one with Edith Gonzalez where he was quite the same character. Our helpful Licenciado Barrera was in both. I still get amazed that we see the same actors over and over in Novelaland, yet most times, it's easy to buy the new character.
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 19, 2012 at 12:29:00 AM EDT
: Friday, October 19, 2012 at 12:29:00 AM EDT
Loved your recap, Madelaine, and I have to agree with Mr. Mads.
Carol: I thought the same thing when I saw previews of a new TN coming; and some actors I have seen in other TNs in it, and marveled at their versatility.
Carol: I thought the same thing when I saw previews of a new TN coming; and some actors I have seen in other TNs in it, and marveled at their versatility.
Wonderful recap Mads! So little Roddy is now little Diego. Poor Luci. I was glad to see her emerge from her deep depression and want to get back to life. I agree that subconsciously she knows exactly who stole her baby. That dream was spot on.
ITA about tn actors. Most are very versatile. Not many US actors could so easily go from playing good guys, to evil villains, to comedic characters.
ITA about tn actors. Most are very versatile. Not many US actors could so easily go from playing good guys, to evil villains, to comedic characters.
Madelaine: You did a fantastic job with yet another sad episode. As always, you give your summaries such care and attention and write so movingly: "..., asking for forgivness and desolation is palatable in that room as she grips the crib and cries".
On a little lighter note, thank you for explaining what a screaming Mimi was. I had heard the expression but had no idea what it meant! Gracias.
Although Chuy and Chelo are completely misguided in that they are not turning the baby in, it's comforting to see they really do care and love Matteo. Bless them for baptising him.
I want Luci and Rod's torment to end. Now.
Vivi: "bet she'll be happy to get back to her skin tight pencil skirts'. Excellent!
Decie Girl, I am with you on shuddering about Rosa's way too close encounter. However, the baby has changed so much, is it possible she won't put two and two together? The thought of her even touching that child makes me sick.
On that note, Happy Friday all!
Diana
On a little lighter note, thank you for explaining what a screaming Mimi was. I had heard the expression but had no idea what it meant! Gracias.
Although Chuy and Chelo are completely misguided in that they are not turning the baby in, it's comforting to see they really do care and love Matteo. Bless them for baptising him.
I want Luci and Rod's torment to end. Now.
Vivi: "bet she'll be happy to get back to her skin tight pencil skirts'. Excellent!
Decie Girl, I am with you on shuddering about Rosa's way too close encounter. However, the baby has changed so much, is it possible she won't put two and two together? The thought of her even touching that child makes me sick.
On that note, Happy Friday all!
Diana
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 19, 2012 at 7:58:00 AM EDT
: Friday, October 19, 2012 at 7:58:00 AM EDT
MADS...What a beautifully written recap and I especially loved the headings--Apartment of Hate and Gloom, Apartment of Faith and Hope, Boxcar Barrio.
I know some of the scenes with don Chelo are supposedly to be cute and funny (his horror at a dirty diaper, etc.) but I just continue to be appalled that this newborn is being cared for in the worst of conditions and ignorance. I did not find a thing humorous last night, although I know I was supposed to...simply too emotional a subject for me.
And now the "avances" are giving me a real chill. Did evil Roselena actually recognize little Rodrigo/Mateo just from that one chance encounter?!
So...still on pins and needles and darned uncomfortable! But your recap was great, MADS. You handled a difficult episode well.
I know some of the scenes with don Chelo are supposedly to be cute and funny (his horror at a dirty diaper, etc.) but I just continue to be appalled that this newborn is being cared for in the worst of conditions and ignorance. I did not find a thing humorous last night, although I know I was supposed to...simply too emotional a subject for me.
And now the "avances" are giving me a real chill. Did evil Roselena actually recognize little Rodrigo/Mateo just from that one chance encounter?!
So...still on pins and needles and darned uncomfortable! But your recap was great, MADS. You handled a difficult episode well.
Thanks so much Mads. And my best to Mr. Mads. Tell him we all are right there with him in his frustrations.
Yes, it does suck to be Rod, and he sure his learning his lesson the hardest way on how he treated Luce beck in his Dumbass days. But lord, Grill Teeth Mimi ( heretofore GTM). I love how she claims being sick and she looks perfectly fine, hair done, makeup fresh...yeah, he'll buy that.
Her rejection of her little girl was predictable, but just disgusting. I'm sure it will continue and that will lead to further jealousy as Rod will most likely shower his affection on the little bundle. I've begged the writers to let me lower the anvil now, but NOOOOOOO, GTM has to live to be a pain still.
Oh my Pato...I tear up for him. I love how Paz reached in and also touched his hand.
I kind of like little Roddy's name of Matteo better. Anyhoo, what will be sad when the eventual discovery of said bebe's true parents is realized is that Chelo will be so attached to this little boy by then. Hopefully it will be soon, because the trauma on the child to be torn from the only parent figure it's ever known will be something I'll have a hard time watching too.
One side note I have to say: how nice to watch a TN where the medical profession is shown to be kind, smart professionals. So the one nurse slipped up a bit, but none are "buyable", drunks or portrayed as Superdocs who can cure every type of illness. I love it!
Previews: RE may get some weird vibe looking at the bebe, but I think she would have a general disdain toward any bebe not of her caste. In fact, I would suspect that she was like GTM when she had her kiddies in that she did not do the daily caring for them.Anyone who has to constantly use hand sanitizer or check for dust and germs would not want to handle spit up and dirty diapers. It probably all fell to Mati.
Yes, it does suck to be Rod, and he sure his learning his lesson the hardest way on how he treated Luce beck in his Dumbass days. But lord, Grill Teeth Mimi ( heretofore GTM). I love how she claims being sick and she looks perfectly fine, hair done, makeup fresh...yeah, he'll buy that.
Her rejection of her little girl was predictable, but just disgusting. I'm sure it will continue and that will lead to further jealousy as Rod will most likely shower his affection on the little bundle. I've begged the writers to let me lower the anvil now, but NOOOOOOO, GTM has to live to be a pain still.
Oh my Pato...I tear up for him. I love how Paz reached in and also touched his hand.
I kind of like little Roddy's name of Matteo better. Anyhoo, what will be sad when the eventual discovery of said bebe's true parents is realized is that Chelo will be so attached to this little boy by then. Hopefully it will be soon, because the trauma on the child to be torn from the only parent figure it's ever known will be something I'll have a hard time watching too.
One side note I have to say: how nice to watch a TN where the medical profession is shown to be kind, smart professionals. So the one nurse slipped up a bit, but none are "buyable", drunks or portrayed as Superdocs who can cure every type of illness. I love it!
Previews: RE may get some weird vibe looking at the bebe, but I think she would have a general disdain toward any bebe not of her caste. In fact, I would suspect that she was like GTM when she had her kiddies in that she did not do the daily caring for them.Anyone who has to constantly use hand sanitizer or check for dust and germs would not want to handle spit up and dirty diapers. It probably all fell to Mati.
Good Morning Y'all and thanks for the great comments.
Urban- so agree with you about the la loca. It's all about the prestige doncha know. Appearances are everything with her.
Emarie- Don Chelo did see the medal. And it seems as if Matteo still has it, so Don Chelo has kept it with the bebe. I too wonder why at least Claudio or Rod haven't alerted the media.
Decie Girl- Max was very disgusted with la loca about her attitude towards the bebe and Luci. I so agree with you.
Carol- I agree with you about the actors in these TN's. They are better than some American actors. The upcoming one Amores Verdaderos has a great cast and Eduardo Yanez, who I credit with me starting to watch TN's. I like how the actors can be comedic, good or bad in each different role.
Vivi- I too am glad that Luci is starting to come round. The poor thing has been thru so much in her life already it's amazing she is sane at all. But with her family and friends she will continue to get stronger.
Diana- So with you about Rod and Luci, enough already, they have both been through too much already. I too like it that Chuy and Chelo are taking such good care of Matteo. The the baptism was very sweet.
Judy- I get your point about the conditions that little Matteo is living in, but at least he is warm, safe and dry and Don Chelo cared enough to rescue him. Even Chuy got roped in to help. And I really think Chuy and Chelo have fallen in love with little Matteo. As time goes by I think little Matteo will change Chuy and Chelo.
Urban- so agree with you about the la loca. It's all about the prestige doncha know. Appearances are everything with her.
Emarie- Don Chelo did see the medal. And it seems as if Matteo still has it, so Don Chelo has kept it with the bebe. I too wonder why at least Claudio or Rod haven't alerted the media.
Decie Girl- Max was very disgusted with la loca about her attitude towards the bebe and Luci. I so agree with you.
Carol- I agree with you about the actors in these TN's. They are better than some American actors. The upcoming one Amores Verdaderos has a great cast and Eduardo Yanez, who I credit with me starting to watch TN's. I like how the actors can be comedic, good or bad in each different role.
Vivi- I too am glad that Luci is starting to come round. The poor thing has been thru so much in her life already it's amazing she is sane at all. But with her family and friends she will continue to get stronger.
Diana- So with you about Rod and Luci, enough already, they have both been through too much already. I too like it that Chuy and Chelo are taking such good care of Matteo. The the baptism was very sweet.
Judy- I get your point about the conditions that little Matteo is living in, but at least he is warm, safe and dry and Don Chelo cared enough to rescue him. Even Chuy got roped in to help. And I really think Chuy and Chelo have fallen in love with little Matteo. As time goes by I think little Matteo will change Chuy and Chelo.
DaisynJay- So with you about Pato. I noticed though, since the two months have passed Pato's hand seems to be much stronger. I think this crisis has strengthened Pato resolve to get better and stronger as fast as he can to help Luci as much as he can. She has always been his beacon of light. Also agree with you about the attachment that Don Chelo has with Matteo. He is really attached now and it will be very hard for him when the true parents, Luci and Rod, appear. Also like your comment on how the medical people on this TN are portrayed as real doctors, nurses, etc are.
I like the fact Chuy brought up the fact that this little angel was put in Don Chelo's path of life. I think Don Chelo is going to be very attached to Matteo and I really think Don Chelo will give up the booze because of Matteo.
Rosa perfectly described herself as she was telling Max what kind of person had stolen lil Roddy. Max was so disguste with her. Ya know I really hated that scene yesterday in the family chapel with Rosa la loca supplicating herself in front of the crucified Christ and saying when I call you come while reviewing all her horrific deeds, but Dios keeps putting her crimes right back in her face, love that. Luci coming back to the Torreslanda home after nineteen years have passed and now in the advances little Matteo literally right in her path. Which of course she won't know. But I have to say she thinks Dios is protecting her when Dios is showing her how evil her crimes are and she MUST face up to them. I truly think Rosa is loca. She can't see it, but she is.
Rosa perfectly described herself as she was telling Max what kind of person had stolen lil Roddy. Max was so disguste with her. Ya know I really hated that scene yesterday in the family chapel with Rosa la loca supplicating herself in front of the crucified Christ and saying when I call you come while reviewing all her horrific deeds, but Dios keeps putting her crimes right back in her face, love that. Luci coming back to the Torreslanda home after nineteen years have passed and now in the advances little Matteo literally right in her path. Which of course she won't know. But I have to say she thinks Dios is protecting her when Dios is showing her how evil her crimes are and she MUST face up to them. I truly think Rosa is loca. She can't see it, but she is.
Thanks Mads for the excellent recap! I like how you work in your own thoughts/impressions, and those of Mr. Mads too.
While Frigida and Mati were talking in the kitchen, Mati said something to F. like "you are so cold it is obvious you didn't grow up in the warm bosom of a family, you must have been in an orphanage." Mati stalked out and Frigida got a thoughtful look on her face and muttered something like "well I'm my own person now." [?] Setting stage for Frigida to "turn"?
Julia SE said in first convo with Gala that she was retiring soon, so maybe no eyebrows raised when she left work.
Don Chelo, giving fingerless gloves a bad name! But I'm glad at least Mateo found warm, loving caregivers. Looks to be thriving.
Thanks to all great recapping team members!
Clara
While Frigida and Mati were talking in the kitchen, Mati said something to F. like "you are so cold it is obvious you didn't grow up in the warm bosom of a family, you must have been in an orphanage." Mati stalked out and Frigida got a thoughtful look on her face and muttered something like "well I'm my own person now." [?] Setting stage for Frigida to "turn"?
Julia SE said in first convo with Gala that she was retiring soon, so maybe no eyebrows raised when she left work.
Don Chelo, giving fingerless gloves a bad name! But I'm glad at least Mateo found warm, loving caregivers. Looks to be thriving.
Thanks to all great recapping team members!
Clara
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 19, 2012 at 11:24:00 AM EDT
: Friday, October 19, 2012 at 11:24:00 AM EDT
Clara...I too hope that little insight about Brigida's possible emotional starvation during childhood might eventually lead her to drop the dime on what she knows. Makes her obsession with romance novels and her attempt to write one rather poignant as well.
Daisynjay...got a big kick out of your "playdate" suggestion over on UA discussion of misogyny in these telenovelas (and life).
Daisynjay...got a big kick out of your "playdate" suggestion over on UA discussion of misogyny in these telenovelas (and life).
Clara-thank you for what I missed with Frigid. It's no wonder then she is the way she is, if she grew up in an unloving home and like Judy said, it could explain her fixation with writing a romance novel. She has never had a love of her own. Sad.
Yes, that was a interesting little scene with Frigida and Mati.
Roddy 2.0/Diego 1.0 is very cute, although now he's bald. He couldn't take his eyes off of Don Chelo that whole scene while they were at the table (after he had gotten over the annoyance of being "baptized"). Roddy 1.0 was also a very peaceful baby and I'll miss seeing him. Other than the first scene with Chelo, he was totally content to be passed around and handled by everyone. They had to use fake crying (of a much older baby) in those scenes when Chelo had to wake up to tend him. I just imagine the nervous mothers on the other side of the camera, hoping that the actors know what they're doing.
Roddy 2.0/Diego 1.0 is very cute, although now he's bald. He couldn't take his eyes off of Don Chelo that whole scene while they were at the table (after he had gotten over the annoyance of being "baptized"). Roddy 1.0 was also a very peaceful baby and I'll miss seeing him. Other than the first scene with Chelo, he was totally content to be passed around and handled by everyone. They had to use fake crying (of a much older baby) in those scenes when Chelo had to wake up to tend him. I just imagine the nervous mothers on the other side of the camera, hoping that the actors know what they're doing.
Mads--Kudos on another tough episode to recap. You got the two month jump. Only in tnlalaland, for the convenience of the story do we get this. May the next few months or years go just as quickly.
The media and the police are so often depicted as being inept. (Only in Sortilegio was the media able to report negative chismes so quickly, thanks to Bruno and a helpful reporter.) This time it's to show the really icy cold attitude of Roselena and the need to maintain outward appearances of intachable lives. Max ought to be suspicious. She has recently threatened to sic an investigator on him to find out who is sweetie is, so he ought to know she's not over her evilness.
While I'm glad they are moving forward quickly, I missed the Lor-Jana meeting. I can just picture their two shy selves, sadly mooning across the room at each other and maybe a an arm or hand touch, since they are in public. They probably had a chance to talk some on the sidewalk when they left together, but nothing else but piercing looks by either of them. They know they've been bitten by a non-Florida type of lovebug.
I thought it was particularly poignant, the interchange between Dr. Nice and Luci after he fiished his examination. He said her C-section scar (cicatriz) was healing well and she answered, but my heart is broken.
On the impromptu baptism--DC2 found out that in extreme cases and no padre was around, a baptism could be performed by a layperson. They just needed to have boiled water, bless it and then do the regular ritual. It was also interesting that the first name they came up with (which I didn't hear) was rejected because it wasn't a Catholic name. Matteo was the next one they thought of and they both agreed.
Interesting sideline: Notes on the Nebelwerfer (fog or smoke throwing) artillery used by the Germans in WWII.
The loud, shrill howling noise of the incoming rockets led American, and other Allied soldiers in the Sicily campaign to give it the nicknames "Screaming Mimi" and "Moaning Minnie". (Attributed to Wikipedia--thanks.) No doubt it was started by some knowledgeable Floridians!!
As much as I detest Gagme, and now we all know how she is going to treat her bebe. She did say that she didn't want to hold the baby until she was all cleaned up and she's back in her room.
The media and the police are so often depicted as being inept. (Only in Sortilegio was the media able to report negative chismes so quickly, thanks to Bruno and a helpful reporter.) This time it's to show the really icy cold attitude of Roselena and the need to maintain outward appearances of intachable lives. Max ought to be suspicious. She has recently threatened to sic an investigator on him to find out who is sweetie is, so he ought to know she's not over her evilness.
While I'm glad they are moving forward quickly, I missed the Lor-Jana meeting. I can just picture their two shy selves, sadly mooning across the room at each other and maybe a an arm or hand touch, since they are in public. They probably had a chance to talk some on the sidewalk when they left together, but nothing else but piercing looks by either of them. They know they've been bitten by a non-Florida type of lovebug.
I thought it was particularly poignant, the interchange between Dr. Nice and Luci after he fiished his examination. He said her C-section scar (cicatriz) was healing well and she answered, but my heart is broken.
On the impromptu baptism--DC2 found out that in extreme cases and no padre was around, a baptism could be performed by a layperson. They just needed to have boiled water, bless it and then do the regular ritual. It was also interesting that the first name they came up with (which I didn't hear) was rejected because it wasn't a Catholic name. Matteo was the next one they thought of and they both agreed.
Interesting sideline: Notes on the Nebelwerfer (fog or smoke throwing) artillery used by the Germans in WWII.
The loud, shrill howling noise of the incoming rockets led American, and other Allied soldiers in the Sicily campaign to give it the nicknames "Screaming Mimi" and "Moaning Minnie". (Attributed to Wikipedia--thanks.) No doubt it was started by some knowledgeable Floridians!!
As much as I detest Gagme, and now we all know how she is going to treat her bebe. She did say that she didn't want to hold the baby until she was all cleaned up and she's back in her room.
Madelaine---Last night was so sad, I don't know how you were able to do the recap. Thanks for what must have been tough.
A few comments. This one is unrelated to the story but I couldn't help but notice--A multimillion dollar mansion and no garbage disposal in the kitchen--que?
Thinking back, Sabrina said that Luciana would shed many tears. I thought of that last night. It was so true.
AS religious as Luciana is, I was surprised that there was no scene of Luciana praying for the return of little Rodrigo.
And speaking of praying---When La Loca cries out to God, I think that only Satan hears her.
In last night's previews, little rodrigo looked much older. It's so sad that the evil brujas took away the early months of the baby's life from Luciana. I can't wait until the brujas start down the road of payback. Nothing will be to bad for them.
the gringo
A few comments. This one is unrelated to the story but I couldn't help but notice--A multimillion dollar mansion and no garbage disposal in the kitchen--que?
Thinking back, Sabrina said that Luciana would shed many tears. I thought of that last night. It was so true.
AS religious as Luciana is, I was surprised that there was no scene of Luciana praying for the return of little Rodrigo.
And speaking of praying---When La Loca cries out to God, I think that only Satan hears her.
In last night's previews, little rodrigo looked much older. It's so sad that the evil brujas took away the early months of the baby's life from Luciana. I can't wait until the brujas start down the road of payback. Nothing will be to bad for them.
the gringo
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 19, 2012 at 12:50:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 19, 2012 at 12:50:00 PM EDT
I caught that Frigida thing and wondered as well if she might eventually turn. Wouldn't that be a twist. The 3B's probably wouldn't care much but then again they don't know exctly how much she actually knows.
I felt very bad for Pato in that scene with Rosa. He seemed so down and frustrated with his condition and she was very condescending with him. She also had that look on her face like perhaps she was smelling a little of the fire and brimstone that it is waiting for her.
I'm am flummoxed that we have not seen anyone walking the streets showing pictures of the baby. I've seen that done in dozens of novelas. Maybe they've done it but we haven't seen it. I know Rosa would not want them broadcasting the loss of the baby since LRod is not a true TL in her mind just some bastard born of her son's unfortunate dalliance with a domestica. She is of course wrong but what is new about that.In any event i can't seen Claudio and Max going along with her. I was amused when Max said he and Claudio were working together getting the best PI's in the country and how that did not sit will with La Perra.
I think Don C has already given up drinking because of LRod/Mat and I was touched when the Boxcar pair were discussing having a party for him on his first birthday and then figuring out that the date would be on the day that Chelo found him.
Inevitably when Luci and Rod find their son there will be pain for the adoptive family but knowing Luci's tender heart they will soon be swept up in her ever expanding family. I like the contrast of how Luci's family grows while Rosa's shrinks ever closer to being just her and the other 2B's.
Love Jana and her sneaky call to Lor. Rosa is so busy making sure that everyone knows how "concerned" she is for Rod's baby that she is missing all the time Jana is spending with or around Lor.
I felt very bad for Pato in that scene with Rosa. He seemed so down and frustrated with his condition and she was very condescending with him. She also had that look on her face like perhaps she was smelling a little of the fire and brimstone that it is waiting for her.
I'm am flummoxed that we have not seen anyone walking the streets showing pictures of the baby. I've seen that done in dozens of novelas. Maybe they've done it but we haven't seen it. I know Rosa would not want them broadcasting the loss of the baby since LRod is not a true TL in her mind just some bastard born of her son's unfortunate dalliance with a domestica. She is of course wrong but what is new about that.In any event i can't seen Claudio and Max going along with her. I was amused when Max said he and Claudio were working together getting the best PI's in the country and how that did not sit will with La Perra.
I think Don C has already given up drinking because of LRod/Mat and I was touched when the Boxcar pair were discussing having a party for him on his first birthday and then figuring out that the date would be on the day that Chelo found him.
Inevitably when Luci and Rod find their son there will be pain for the adoptive family but knowing Luci's tender heart they will soon be swept up in her ever expanding family. I like the contrast of how Luci's family grows while Rosa's shrinks ever closer to being just her and the other 2B's.
Love Jana and her sneaky call to Lor. Rosa is so busy making sure that everyone knows how "concerned" she is for Rod's baby that she is missing all the time Jana is spending with or around Lor.
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 19, 2012 at 12:57:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 19, 2012 at 12:57:00 PM EDT
Anita-thanks for the explanation of the screaming Mimi's from WWII. It's funny I was stationed in Sicily and the German pillboxes are still there as well as a huge military cemetary where the Germans are interred that died in battle. I think Floridians had it right cause those mimi's there buzz you and bite you to pieces. I used to stand watches outside during my tour in Florida and one of the Floridians advised I get Skin So Soft to avoid the bites, and I have to say it really works!
Gringo- thank you, it was really hard to see Luci's grief. I really think though that Luci was crying to Dios about her bebe and for forgiveness to the bebe and Dios for "losing him". I think she hasn't lost her faith. And I agree with you too that the only one hearing la loca's prayers is el diablo.
Anita- I like that name DC2 they do have the same initials, lol. And your right, it is a fact that babies can be baptized by a lay person. I am glad they thought of that. This means that both have faith as the Barrio folks all do, and they are much the same I think. If they had met up they would all have been good friends I think. Thanks for what Gagme said, but I have a feeling she is so not going to spend much time with that bebe. I think she wanted to get cleaned up for pics maybe, we all know how she likes to drag the media in every chance she gets, to show off her bebe the "true" heir of the Torreslandas.
Gringo- thank you, it was really hard to see Luci's grief. I really think though that Luci was crying to Dios about her bebe and for forgiveness to the bebe and Dios for "losing him". I think she hasn't lost her faith. And I agree with you too that the only one hearing la loca's prayers is el diablo.
Anita- I like that name DC2 they do have the same initials, lol. And your right, it is a fact that babies can be baptized by a lay person. I am glad they thought of that. This means that both have faith as the Barrio folks all do, and they are much the same I think. If they had met up they would all have been good friends I think. Thanks for what Gagme said, but I have a feeling she is so not going to spend much time with that bebe. I think she wanted to get cleaned up for pics maybe, we all know how she likes to drag the media in every chance she gets, to show off her bebe the "true" heir of the Torreslandas.
Decie Girl, I so agree with you about the pics, noone has been walking around showing anyone a pic, much less on tv, the radio, magazines, etc. I don't think Max, Claudio, Paz, Rod, Luci will ever give up looking for that bebe or the Barrio gang either. Oh, I like the idea of Luci's family expanding she has such a big heart, and my fondest wish is for la loca to be TOTALLY alone when this TN is done, no one to love her, as if she deserves any of that, and no family at all since she "loves" her family. I think the idea of a perfect family motivates her, but I don't think that will ever be. Rod has already left as has Conny, and I think once Hanna finishes school she will be on her way out to school. I think if Pato were more mobile, he would be gone too.
I feel like a TN traitor...but I just can't handle Luci's heartache. Or the fact that anyone with 1/2 a brain should know that RE and GAGME did this. So, I'm not watching until the baby is found and back with Luci. Don't have the stomach for this.......
Anna- I can understand your frustration, but please stick with it. I know some things are hard to take but we are nearing the end and so much has yet to be revealed.:)
Having said all that, Madelaine, it was an excellent recap over a very depressing epidsode. I'm just furious that Luci has been without her baby for 2 months. Mama mia!
Mads--My sentence did not get proper editing. I meant Baby Gala was to be cleaned up and Big Gala was back in her room before wanting to hold her. I think Gala will be too ashamed to have her picture splashed all over her rag-mag since it's a girl. I bet it's Rod that hold her first.
Anita- so true, Gagme is so about the status, and what's wrong with a girl anyways. They can still inherit. I too think Rod will be the first to hold the bebe. What a contrast between the two Mama's huh? Luci wanted to hold lil Roddy right way, clean or not and Gagme meh, not so much. Gagme will be a horrible mother I am thinking.
I thought it was interesting last night when Luci told Paz to go back to Het Het and that she was staying in the DF and would be going back to the office. I can understand her not wanting to leave the city where her baby is but going to the office really sets up more heartache for her. Not only will she have to see Rod every day and possible see and hear talk about his little girl but Gagme can swan around as the new mother. Maybe Claudio will have suceeded in getting new offices elsewhere for the Linares clan and she can focus on learning the business and being sucessful and avoid constant reminders of her own grief.
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 19, 2012 at 3:16:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 19, 2012 at 3:16:00 PM EDT
Decie--I hope the same for Luciana. She does not need to see Rod at work. I would like them to see each other and stay connected outside of the office--and away from Gala. Her not going back to HetHet right away is probably good, but in the end, if Roddy/Matt isn't found for another few months, she needs to get back to HetHet and start over. Maybe she and Pato can get that foundation operating--and wouldn't that make Rosa mas Loca than she already is. Solo falta Jana to make her getaway--we all hope it's with Lorenzo and that will take Rosa over the edge, no doubt.
I also like your thoughts of Luci's "family" ever expanding while Gala's and Rosa's is shrinking. I don't think Fer & Val will stick around once they find out what Gala did. So it will only be the Three Killer Bees left together--and I think Rosa's already trying to distance herself from the other two.
I really do wonder where that will leave Max.
I also like your thoughts of Luci's "family" ever expanding while Gala's and Rosa's is shrinking. I don't think Fer & Val will stick around once they find out what Gala did. So it will only be the Three Killer Bees left together--and I think Rosa's already trying to distance herself from the other two.
I really do wonder where that will leave Max.
Thanks Mads for a great recap of a truly sad episode. UA- I'm with you with your hatred of the three witches, that serial baby snatcher and that screaming hag. But wait, I see the hag's baby girl and she is so cute! I guess I melted down. And Baby Matteo after 2 months, I hurt for Luciana not being able to cuddle her precious one. I'm a sucker for babies. About Frigida, I would like to inform her that I too couldn't believe her concern for the baby Roddy/Matteo. It really hurts to watch this tn but I have to be calm and quiet in front of my husband who is also watching.He has threatened to close the tv for fear that my blood pressure goes haywire and I am already turning to be a screaming Mimi too so back to my mantra:it's only a tn......
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 19, 2012 at 4:36:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 19, 2012 at 4:36:00 PM EDT
Max could end up in jail for business fraud or something similar, but he will be appalled when he finds out what Rosa and her evil cohorts did.
Since nobody is voting in the Karmageddon Poll for AdP I won't create one for this. I will merely state here that I believe Roselena will be excommunicated and end up alone and probably in the manicomio. Since this story hasn't had a serious body count I don't know whether we can expect her to off herself, but that would be appropriately ironic.
Since nobody is voting in the Karmageddon Poll for AdP I won't create one for this. I will merely state here that I believe Roselena will be excommunicated and end up alone and probably in the manicomio. Since this story hasn't had a serious body count I don't know whether we can expect her to off herself, but that would be appropriately ironic.
UA--Committing suicide would end RE's suffering. She likes to suffer. She needs to live in order to suffer. Remember when Max said it? So true. (I'm being facetious here.)
It is true. She loves playing the martyr, which is why her ultimate suffering would be to lose her audience.
Urban-I'll vote. I'll second your excommunication for Rosa and manocomio (she's halfway there now), Gala-imprisonment.
Max-I think it is enough for the truth to come out.
I thought in the advances little Rod was so cute with his little head popping out of that makeshift milk-box carriage. Ugh, I dread to see what Rosa will do. I saw that she totally recognised him in that brief advance-did anyone else notice?
Max-I think it is enough for the truth to come out.
I thought in the advances little Rod was so cute with his little head popping out of that makeshift milk-box carriage. Ugh, I dread to see what Rosa will do. I saw that she totally recognised him in that brief advance-did anyone else notice?
Suicide is also a sin so Rosa would never take that route. I think God is going to grant her wish and make her suffer till the end of her days ignored by her children, unknown to her grandchildren and loathed by her husband. She and Frigida can spend the remainder of their days bitching about how unfair everybody treats them while dusting everything in sight and cursing the cause of it all - Luci.
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 19, 2012 at 5:18:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 19, 2012 at 5:18:00 PM EDT
I don't think so DecieGirl; because I think Brigida shows signs she'll have redemption.
But I don't want Rosa redeemed.
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