Saturday, December 08, 2012
Amor Bravío #80 (Uni 75) Fri 12/7/12 The Daniel Dilemma (Working Title)
- The Scooby Gang convinces Aaron to stay in Aculco after Dan has revealed himself and to start a self-sustainable community, that will help people in need, like the one he started in Chiapas. Aaron looks like he might be convinced, since the Chiapas community is already up and running and doesn't really need him anymore. Vivi in particular was not ok with the idea of Aaron leaving for good.
-Piedad asks Cami if it's ok for her to leave for the north right now/today. Cami gives her blessing.
- Ana tells Nana Refugio about homeless boy Roman and asks her for her help and to keep quiet about it. Ana especially doesn't want to tell Snob Grandma Rocio, since she knows her attitude about poor people. Nana confirms that minors who don't have parents have to be under the guidance of some authority like an orphanage.
- Dan drowns his sorrows over Camila in tequila, and thinks he's cursed in the love department-- first Miriam, and now Cami. The other boys tell him not to lose hope.
- Frank asks Gussy how much she earns per client for the insurance scheme (scam), and from the look on her face it's obvious she's never been paid, and never thought about it before. Franks seems to sense it's a scam, and an opportunity to make cash off of his rich friends too.
- Already feeling like a clueless fool after her talk with Frank, Gussy flies off the handle to learn Cami gave Piedad leave and didn't tell her about it.
- Al gives Cami a copy of the tourism development contract he signed. He wants the two of them to meet with Dan about it, but she says she will be the go-between and will take it to Dan. Cami points out that the contract only has his signature and proves nothing about Dio or Isa. He begs for help so that he's not thrown in jail. He's already lost her, his jobm and now he might lose his freedom. Cami points out it's his own damn fault and that he's the only one who can help himself by bringing them proof. She tells him, "If you bring me and Dan real proof against Dio and Isa, then we might be able to help you. Without that, I don't see any other way to help you."
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And although I have been patient with Camila, trying to be understanding of her feelings of betrayal and all, I am now officially sick of her being mad at him. HE DID IT FOR YOUR PROTECTION, LADY! She even knows now that Isa tried to kill her with the bull.
Isa, sometimes you nail it and sometimes you don't. Cammo dress is a don't.
Ximena is awfully glam for a bull ranch.
I'm noticing a pattern with Issadora: animal prints, camouflage, safari (or hitler youth as someone funny called it)--she shows her wild side through her clothes.
Katy
Am I the only one who was mad at Camila for telling Mariano that Andres was Daniel? And why did she tell him that she doesn't know if he ever loved her or not? He nearly bled to death for her, and cried her a river. He's an alpha-male. He wasn't just making that up. He wasn't wincing in pain as a joke. He wasn't bleeding all over her floor while expressing his love because he didn't mean it.
It's interesting that Isadora is probably plotting to do what Daniel feared in the first place. Get to Camila through him, because of the vulnerability factor. Isa could easily now threaten Daniel to give up La Malquerida or else she'll kill Camila. Not that Dan-the-Man will take that laying down. He'd undoubtedly have a plan or counter her.
Team Rodolfo!!!!!
So now Natalia knows that she was just used. She kept saying that she wanted a man like Pablo. Everyone kept telling her that Yago wasn't like Pablo. But she didn't believe it until she heard it directly from him. "I'm no Pablo!"
Now Pablo. I would understand if he was an intern for the administrator. Assistant Administrator, or Assistant *to* the Administrator. But THE Administrator? That's too much "Alabarran-ness" for me. He's just out of undergrad right? That's a huge entry-level position. Even though Mariano said that he would supervise him, I still think that it's too much, too soon. Goodness. Nepotism at it's finest. Of course it's interesting nepotism on both sides even though they don't know it, but still.
Ximena. That woman. She is truly only out for herself. For a while there, I actually thought that she loved Al. She didn't even try to see his side, or take his side, or support him. It was just, "You better not leave me at the alter!!" And then, she sides with the women who she know cut out Leonicio's tongue ... against her mother, sister, father, AND brother. Sad state of affairs.
While I'm at it, I thought that knowing what she does, Camila was too quick to suggest that Alonso should just go to jail without seemingly taking into account Isadora and Dionisio. Not that Alonso isn't responsible for his part, but it sounded like Camila was very willing to just let Alonso take the fall.
I think that she still underestimates the Isadora factor. She seems to be taking it very lightly.
Perhaps when she was talking with Natalia and telling her that she couldn't come back to La Mal, she realized that she (Camila) was doing exactly the same thing that everyone was doing with her, the thing that she was so mad about ... lying to protect a person that you care about for their safety. So is Camila a hypocrite now?
Looking forward to the recap, Jardinera. Of course, no pressure. I'm just not sure of all that Viviana said to Camila, but it sounded good to me.
I'm disappointed in Ximena, although I can't imagine why I thought she was at least real when she professed to love Alonso. I'm actually feeling a little sorry for him right about now.
And yes Natalia is completely being set up to work for Dio.
netgirl - I was also uncomfortable w/Cam sharing w/Mariano as I don't think she told him that info is sensitive. And like Cathyx, I was upset w/her "too many lies" line. I hope in her conversation w/Natalia, she did realize her hypocrisy.
Did anyone else have a beanie moment when Xi went from being afraid of Isa to being her partner especially knowing what she knows? How is she conveniently ignoring Isa's viciousness and not realize she will be next on Isa's list? Does planning to kill her sibling guarantee you a place in TN Hades? To do so with one's mother I know does but not sure w/sibs.
Well, if you all want to talk fashion, Xi's backside just might be one of those padding boards that the female cast of Despierta America is so found of wearing to protect themselves from the mic pack. Makes those girls butts look like something one would see in geometry class.
Dioniso seems a little slow on the uptake as to the real Daniel. This will not sit well when he finds out Hissadora already knows and didn't share.
Cathyx, I love your comments about Cami. I too have been very patient with her. But enough is enough. Until she starts forgetting and forgiving, I'm out of sympathy.
Your wardrobe comments are so funny. I hadn't noticed the Alberan men's shirts. I'll have to replay the tape before I vote yay or nay. But I have noticed how Ximena's dress shows off her huge butt and that's gets a negative vote from me. Like ViviDC said, mission accomplished. And yes, gorgeous Dan looks good in anything or not a thing.
Netgirl, Yes, Cami surprised and disappointed me when she revealed Dan's identity to Mariano. I'm also disappointed that she refers to everything as lies.
You voiced very good feelings/concerns about Pablo becoming administrator. ITA.
The reason I feel a bit sorry for Alonso because I know that in the end he's going down with all of the other bad guys. It's as though he was doomed from the start!!
It's an actual TN rule that any person is qualified to do any job needed, no matter the training or lack of it. And they are also really good at it.
I don't mind Camila's shirts, at least they don't stand out in a noticeable way like the tiedyed and paint splotched ones from Mariano and Yago.
So D'Aaron denied making a pact with Alonso to Dion. They told him that whoever told him that was trying to deceive him. Love it.
I don't think we've seen a checked shirt on the men, have we? But yes, that tie-dye number Yago was wearing was horrible!
Most cultures in this world, except European and Asian ones, like a woman's butt to be shapely. LatAm is included. Xi's dresses are doing exactly what they were meant to do. She would get many whistles and admiring stares on the streets of most urban US cities.
Cami's shirts make perfect sense for a vet who works on a ranch. No complaints from me because I am tired of heroines wearing impractical clothing and shoes. In addition to being practical, the cut is flattering. She has lost the headbands since she and Dan have been on the outs. They appeared when she first started to fall for Dan. Hmmmm... Headbands=Love.
I think Cami must be close to breaking point by now. She's just being stubborn at this point. Perhaps it will take a kick in th pants, like a kidnapping attempt, to get her to finally let it go and forgive Dan. Now that Isa knows Andres is Dan, she knows Cami, not his dad or sis, is his weak point. Cami is her number one target again. This is NOT a good thing.
I'm pretty sure Mariano knows he can't go blabbing that Andres is Dan. I don't mind Cami telling him. Why not? He's a good person. And Dan has told half of Aculco who he is so that he can have people to confide in. Why can't Cami tell the one person she trusts right now so that she can have a person (who she's not mad at) to bounce her feelings and thought off of. Part of her problem right now is that she's only had herself to speak to about her mixed up feelings. This hs gotten her nowhere. Speaking to someone else might just do her some good.
Marta in NY- I can go back to my recording and give you a play by play of the Vivi-Cami conversation, but Jardinera summed it up nicely.
I had a different impression about the discussion D'Arron and D'Andres had with Dion. I thought they denied having an alliance with Al and whoever told Dion is trying to trick him.
Also, in the conversation Francisco had with Aggie, didn't he say something to her that made her question the legitimacy of the investments? But I could be wrong about that.
So is the reason that Cam doesn't want Nat at Malquerida because she's mad at Nat for keeping Dan's secret?
Yes, your take on what D'Aaron and D'Andres said to Dio is spot on. They denied any dealings with Al, told Dio whoever told him is a liar, and said if he wants confirmation that they have never met with Al, all he has to do is ask his men who are watching them. When Dio denied he's still having them watched, they said he'll just have to take their word for it then.
- The Scooby Gang convinces Aaron to stay in Aculco after Dan has revealed himself and to start a self-sustainable community, that will help people in need, like the one he started in Chiapas. Aaron looks like he might be convinced, since the Chiapas community is already up and running and doesn't really need him anymore. Vivi in particular was not ok with the idea of Aaron leaving for good.
-Piedad asks Cami if it's ok for her to leave for the north right now/today. Cami gives her blessing.
- Ana tells Nana Refugio about homeless boy Roman and asks her for her help and to keep quiet about it. Ana especially doesn't want to tell Snob Grandma Rocio, since she knows her attitude about poor people. Nana confirms that minors who don't have parents have to be under the guidance of some authority like an orphanage.
- Dan drowns his sorrows over Camila in tequila, and thinks he's cursed in the love department-- first Miriam, and now Cami. The other boys tell him not to lose hope.
- Frank asks Gussy how much she earns per client for the insurance scheme (scam), and from the look on her face it's obvious she's never been paid, and never thought about it before. Franks seems to sense it's a scam, and an opportunity to make cash off of his rich friends too.
- Already feeling like a clueless fool after her talk with Frank, Gussy flies off the handle to learn Cami gave Piedad leave and didn't tell her about it.
- Al gives Cami a copy of the tourism development contract he signed. He wants the two of them to meet with Dan about it, but she says she will be the go-between and will take it to Dan. Cami points out that the contract only has his signature and proves nothing about Dio or Isa. He begs for help so that he's not thrown in jail. He's already lost her, his jobm and now he might lose his freedom. Cami points out it's his own damn fault and that he's the only one who can help himself by bringing them proof. She tells him, "If you bring me and Dan real proof against Dio and Isa, then we might be able to help you. Without that, I don't see any other way to help you."
Vivi, thank you so much for your kind offer to recap the Vivi-Cami conversation, but the recap was great, and it was what I understood it to be so it's not necessary. I do appreciate it!
It sounds like we are all tired of Camila's separation from Daniel. Apart from the fact that it's a plot device to keep our love-birds apart, it is meant to be consistent with Camila's character, I think. She's stubborn, as Vivi says -- a trait often found in strong women in novelas, e.g., Sophia in FELS, Gaviota in DA, etc. They find true strength, however, in the end in learning to forgive and trust again. I always find this to be contrived, but it has a lot of staying power as a way of separating our main couple of novelaland.
I wouldn't mind Camila's shirts, Ximena's dresses or the fellows' shirts if they occasionally varied their wardrobes. I can't imagine having an endless supply of shirts in exactly the same pattern, as Camila has.
On the good side of things, the complications just keep on coming. This is one you you can't watch casually. Gotta keep track of the relationships as they shift and new information comes into play.
When Ana came into the kitchen to talk with Nana, she put the puppy down on the floor. That puppy went right to sleep where she set it down. You know that it gets so much attention on the set that the poor thing was exhausted.
Jardinera, I do hope you feel better soon. We're all indebted to you for coming through with the recap in spite of being ill.
And I don't mind her long plaid shirts. It makes more sense for a ranch than ones tied up way above the navel (Cynthia!) Camila can keep her navel free of cow dust. Plus we've made fun of SN's wardrobe before and she's turned out to be ahead of the trends. We should all be out looking for long plaid shirts.
Kelly
Jard, thanks for your recap. I hope you feel better soon.
I liked Cami's shirts. I think she wears them well.
Talking about the men's shirts, what do you think of Aaron's shirts. I'm always looking to see if the buttons are on the left...haha, especially the black one. They're so girlish. But I like him a lot even though I think his shirts are questionable.
Ann-NYC
I didn't realize that the conversatioon between Vivi and Cami ended on a positive note. Cami was resisting at the time I left the TV for one quick moment and Vivi was gone. So, I didn't hear the end of the conversation.
Question: What was Dan's reply/excuse when Dio accused him and D’Aaron of playing him like a fool? I didn't catch Dan's reply..
Quick notes:
Love the little birds.
Was surprised that Cam told Mariano about Dan.
Keep having to remind myself that for Cam it’s only been a few days since she heard the Dan news.
I like Cam’s shirts and think they would are stylish/appropriate for someone my age too.
Also like Aaron's shirts.
Remember Val’s cleavage tops in StuD?
Vivi: What Renata said about this TN being a combination of an earlier version and new material—has that happened before?
Nanette
Highpoints:
Cam and the puppies.
Cam and Maha.
Os talking to Cam about Dan.
Ileana telling Rodolfo about Iago.
Rodolfo beating the crap out of Iago.
Ana finding a playmate.
Pablo and Luz moving forward.
Pablo telling Leo he’d lost.
Francisco’s drunken scene—very funny.
Using Xi and Al’s song (which is appropriate as their theme song) as a karaoke (totally inappropriate) love song. Too funny.
Vivi and Cam's heart-to-heart.
Cam, Mariano and the little birds.
Nat realizing Iago's a jerk.
Low Points:
Dio realizing Amanda is in town.
Dio coming to see Amanda and trying to charm Nat into working for him.
Iago taking Nat’s virginity.
Iago telling Nat to lie to Mariano about their relationship.
Cam and Dan’s sad love song—which is pretty but so loud it’s hard to hear the dialogue and, frankly, one part of it makes my ears hurt.
Xi telling Isa about Dan.
Nat being heartbroken.
I'm enjoying this one tremendously because it keeps us on our toes. This doesn't happen for me with the comedies.
Thanks, everyone, for your patience and understanding. Thanks also to ViviDC for adding in the things I missed and giving some great explanations for those with questions still. I will "officially" paste Vivi's highlights in with my minicap with a big hug. Hearts to you, amiga.
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Nannette: I, for one, would welcome a "week in review-the highs and the lows". Thanks for your current list which I enjoyed immensely.
If this series has any PSAs I hope they include one on literacy. I'd like to see Piedad learn to read and write. It's never too late for that.
Enjoyed all the comments. Nothing to add, except I give a thumbs-up to Camila's fitted shirts. In the beginning though I think the shirts were a bitter shorter. I prefer the shorter version to the longer ones she's been wearing lately.
Will we ever see Ximeana in something other than spandex?
Vivi - thanks for your additions. This TN has been quite a ride and thus far one of the best I've seen in a while.
Nanette - thanks for your weekly round-up. As Vivi noted,these will be helpful b/c this TN is like a chess match and you need a cheat sheet ;)
I did miss noting Piedad's scene with Leo. Kudos for her, but I still found the Pablo/Leo showdown more satisfying.
I like the two version of the long shirt that Cam wears, though I wish the longest one was just an inch or two shorter. A couple of inches more and they would be shirt dresses (of course, if Xi was the type to wear shirt dresses, they would be the perfect length for her.)
Talking about beauty and fashion, I didn't like SN's hair at first--missed her wild curls. However, I like it now and think it more appropriate for her character.
I agree with you Nanette, that at first I didn't like her hair so much either at the beginning. I guess I was just used to the curls also, but I like it now, and it would be inappropriate for her to have hair like Viv in this TN.
She's not portraying herself as a sexy thang (thank goodness), and the fact that a hottie like Dan could be so attracted to her makes me want him even more, if that's even possible.
Vivi, I'm with you that it seems very real that Camila would still feel betrayed by all that are close to her. As others have noted, it has only been 2 or 3 days since she has started to learn about all the incredible things happening around her. I like how the conversations with Becerra and Vivi have made her start to think differently. I really like how after she denied Nat's request to return to the ranch, she realized she was covering up information just as others had done to her.
I still don't buy the argument that all this secrecy was needed to ensure Camila's safety. Most of us were pretty frustrated that Dan didn't give it up sooner though we were privy to all the reasons he didn't. The argument that it was for Camila's protection is pretty weak.
I was also surprised that Camila told Mariano about Dan's identity so easily. I agree she trusts him but she still should have told him to keep it to himself. Camila previously had told Mariano about her being in love with "Andres" and told him not to say anything at the present until Andres was better and she had let others know-- but Mariano did talk about it to Pablo. Also since Mariano doesn't know the whole reason why Dan was concealing his identity, I think it puts Dan in a really bad light. I know Camila is angry, but I wouldn't think she would want to do that to him.
Vivi, I'm agree that Xi's prominent bottom is exactly the look that she was going for. I personally think she has a pretty sexy figure though wearing skimpy- covering spandex almost 100% of the time on a ranch is just one of those TN things we have to accept!
Besides plaid, we have seen checked shirts too. Pablo was given a red checked shirt by Ana while he was recovering from his gunshot wound.
I was a little surpass
Thx
OT, but relevant: The singer Jenni Rivera, who sang the title song to "Eva Luna" has been officially declared dead in a plane crash in Northern Mexico near Nuevo Leon. There were no survivors of the Lear Jet crash.
I am trying to remember the name of the theme song that she sang for "Eva Luna". I posted this question on the Anthropologist's weekend discussion about Tony Bennett.
She was only 43. MSNBC is carrying the story. Don't know how to give direct links on your site.
Thanks for helping me with the title song to "Eva". Will also check You Tube.
I really feel sad for her and her children.
Thank you for your site.
Nanette, I love your list. It helps to get it all spelled out. No pressure here but, yes, it would be wonderful to have it spelled out weekly for us. Thanks!
Xi does want to show off her big butt in those dresses. I wonder if she realizes it jiggles when she walks?
On the other hand, SN likes to cover her butt with the long shirts. I noticed that in CME too. Whenever she had on those revealing horseback riding pants they took great pains to NOT show her from behind.
Did SN curl her hair for CME and MEPS? Or is she straightening it now?
So sad about Jenni Rivera. I saw a write-up about her in a recent People en espanol. 5 kids.
Also love Cam's shirts that suggest doctor's coat, eh?
Still watching and reading when I can. Thank you Recappers and commenters too.
Foxy: MEPS got a really good DVD review. There were only a couple of CME reviews the last time I checked so not sure how that transferred.
RlaO: I think SN's hair is curly and she straightened it for this TN.
Flaco said that SN had butt enhancement surgery and that it's now starting to look bad. That may be why she's wearing shirts to cover it.
I'll continue with the lists. Normally, they'll be posted sometime on Saturday since I don't usually watch AB on Friday evening. However, this week it will be posted on Friday AM since there's no AB this Friday.
and to follow the theme. i like natalie in yellow but frankly, i am getting really tired of it. too much. maybe isadora can interpret yellow clothes for her. i hear it's the color of choice for psychiatric patients. in flowers it means "friend zone." in ribbons it means come home. in texas it means, well, i don't remember!
and can i say, at first i thought their love song was cute, but like the yellow it has grown "off" me. it plonks along like drunk parrots or something. least romantic song ever!
mai tai
Note to Nat, the first time was for practice now go find love.
Flaco just got back from Mexico and told me Jorge Salinas is in a new TN playing there, if anyone is interested. And FC's is playing, too.
When I was growing up many moon ago, “decent” women wore tight girdles and corsets in order not to draw attention to the rear end. When women first started burning their bras and girdles, I wondered what this world was coming to ;-) Thank heavens those days are gone, but I’m still left with the feeling that it boils down to personal taste rather than labeling big butts either good, bad or more or less American. (Maybe I’m just jealous of XI’s because mine hasn’t got me any woof calls in years, just loss of muscle tone, tons of fat, and cellulite):-)
i also really liked nat. as a working girl i thought she had some sense, but i see now she's missing all those clues too, and is dumb about many many many things (rodolpho). i suspects she will run to dio like a moth to flame.
--mai tai
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