Saturday, January 19, 2013
Amor Bravío #108 (Uni 103) Fri 1/18/13 It’s The Bridal Bridle For Luzma and Pablo And El Cozened Codger de Cuckolded Cayatonto Finally Learns Of Rocio’s Marital Misbehavin’
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What's the significance of Isa and Dion not finding the rest of the proof against Rocio? It must have some significance.
Why has it not occurred to any of us to link Aaron and Natalia? Not saying they will get together, but it never crossed my mind before when we talk about couples. I hope they do become a couple. I hate seeing my boy Aaron as a third wheel.
I also enjoyed seeing Luzma and Pablo so happy at their wedding.
It looks like Mon will be very interesting!
Cathyx: Flaco and I discussed Nat with Aaron. I think Nat's life experience she's getting makes her less compatible with Rodolfo and wouldn't mind seeing her with Aaron.
Loved how they worked Luz's hair into her veil.
Nanette
Is New Girl a dropped storyline? Do they that in TNs?
I think New Girl wants a man with money. Why else would she have been so disappointed in Pablo getting married. She hardly knew him to even get disappointed. Nopis. I say "pass" on New Girl.
New girl is a big mystery. Very strange to introduce her and never see her again. It's not like she left town.
Caroline, I heard the music, but it was so low that I was also wondering how they could dance to it without being able to hear the beat.
Loved how Viv snubbed Yago. He's such a cad. Right in front of Nat too.
I liked all the looking around that happened in church:
-Yago is with Nat but Yago is looking at Vivi.
-Nat notices what Yago is doing.
-Vivi is taking photos but is being distracted by Yago (I think Vivi liked that, just by the look in her face)
-Rodolfo is with Ileana but Rodolfo is looking at Nat.
-Ileana is observing how Rodolfo looks at Nat. (I think Ileana is starting to fall for Rodolfo, why else would she be doing it)
Great stuff.
It's sad (but I admit it's going to be interesting) to see how Dio's lies are going to further confuse Nat and further strain the relationship with her mother.
Pablo just keeps getting better. Loved when his dad was congratulating him, Pablo said "Luzma", reminding him that Luzma was standing right there next to him and shouldn't be ignored. It's too bad Cayetano can't suffer with the whole ranch business without hurting Mariano. Seriously, there's no other land for sale in the whole country?
Kelly
And now could she be pregnant ? Why ? well,
At the beginning of the episode she told Yago she wasn't feeling well (caused by everything that's going on with her dad), yeah, but that may also mean she's expecting.
I know no one likes this idea but it's a good possibility.
And then it looks like she broke up with Yago at the wedding.
I'm also beginning to think that there's some unrevealed reason why Mariano continues to obsess over Camila. I'm beginning to wonder if a replacement (such as Theresa) will be acceptable to him.
As for New Girl, the actress might have been cast in something else and therefore not be available to continue this role. This happens from time to time.
The box that masquerades as a book has a twin. Hissadora found both of them, but quit after the first one, which she had to pry open. Notice that she pried this one open as well. She forgot about the second one because she hurriedly closed the first one when she heard someone approach the library, then put something on top of it.
When we last saw the one she opened in the library Dorotea had it and the other book that was in Hissadora's room. We didn't see her put that back in the library.
I think she will end up believing her mother over Dio, but it is going to take a while.
And yes, according to TN law she is/will be embarazada. Poor girl, rich guy, who has no real interest in her.
I LOVED when Isa was told that the rancho was transferred legally. It was great to see it twice!
Foxy, I was going to say what LoriLoo said.
Nat knows that Dion is a bad guy. Dan and her mother have told her. She went to work for him in order to spy on him. Hopefully she isn't dumb enough to trust Dion's word over her mother's. And I am also hoping that she tells Dan what Dion said and he will set her straight. She's probably more likely to believe it if it came from Dan.
And Bratgirl... she's trying to make Nat jealous so she'll leave Pogostick for Rodolfo, so she (Bratgirl) can have Yago?!? I don't get it because Yago can't stand her... There must be more to her plotting than meets the eye. Mine at least.
I had a miserable boyfriend like that once and put up with it for months. (My biorhythms must have been down.) I guess I should have more sympathy for her.
Cayetonto is disgusting, the way he's treating Rocio. That's probably why she stepped out on him in the first place. If Pablo is his favorite only because Pablo held his marriage together, Cayetonto is liable to kick Pablo to the curb. Which is what Hissy is counting on.
emongeu
Looking forward to the recap! Thanks in advance!!!
The real reason Augustina dislikes Daniel is she knows Daniel is going to take Camila away from her. Him being Agatha's son and Don Daniel's heir is just icing on the cake. Alonso & Luis were not a threat like Daniel is. Camila loved Luis very much, but Augustina was involved in that process (as was Alonso).
Augustina has NO involvement with Camila/Daniel. If Daniel decided he wanted to go back to Chile, or move to the United States or relocate to Mexico City, or England or the moon, Camila would happily give it all up to be with him. Augustina knows this and I don't think she'll ever accept Daniel's presence in her or Camila's lives.
I also think there is some jealousy from Augustina towards Camila b/c Camila has had all these high-profile men falling all over themselves to be with her, and Augustina has NEVER had that. Don Daniel never wanted Augustina...he slept with everyone EXCEPT Augustina. She probably only married his brother to be close to him. FX only wanted her for her money. Dionisio only wants her to get close to Camila/La MQ.
The thing that got me was Augustina had more of a problem with Camila having sex with the chauffeur than with Ximena having sex with her sister's husband. I have no doubt that had they lived & married, Augustina would have accepted Alonso as Ximena's husband before she ever accepted Daniel as Camila's.
BOTH of Yago's BROTHERS told Natalia he would use her for sex so stay away!
She still doesn't realize that El Diablo is after Camila and probably won't want to face this when he displays real evidence of it. No matter who points it out, and especially not Daniel.
I also agree with the comment that Rodolfo needs someone with more fire than Natalia. She's cute, but he needs someone with more dash. Someone better than Bratgirl, who probably thinks she's reenacting Swept Away.
But this novela has veered from the TN tracks somewhat and I don't think Yago will marry her. If Rodolfo also holds up TN law, he will offer to marry her and raise the child (as someone else has suggested). But she may not want him in the end either....
Now if Yago got ILIANA pregnant, they'd probably force him to marry her. If Yago got Camila pregnant, they'd probably force him to marry her. Natalia? Nope. She's a nobody and if she gets pregnant, too bad so sad for her.
I'm looking forward to him making a pass at Viviana and getting a serious beat-down from Rafael.
Carlos
Cindy
About Nat having relations with someone who doesn't respect her (in the park, on the tablecloth). At the time it happened she was still dewey-eyed and in love with every little bill and coo Yago told her. When he stopped calling her (and should have been a sign), he sweet talks his way back into her good graces. She wants him so desperately (and flattered by his early attentions and seductive maneuvers).
I think we all have his number--that he only sees her when he "necesitas" her for cositas and the rest of the time he's free to ignore her. Based on her upbringing, that's not what she bought into, but she's been willing to take the crumbs if it keeps his interest in her.
Moreover, even if she's become aware of how ill he treats her, flirts with others in front of her, doesn't react caringly to her need to see him after the Dio talk, it may be too late (it only takes once on a flat surface--a la Dr. Tatas). Even if they use contraceptives of some sort afterwards, there's still the possibility there AND I bet Yago isn't the type to carry condoms around in his back pocket, either--too constricting.
According to TN law he would be obliged to marry her under these circumstances, but he has the option of recognizing (at least giving the chamaco his name) and financial support, walking away from the whole mess (and putting his inheritance in jeopardy) OR denying it was him that done the deed.
Going back a couple of episodes--The Pool. True, we've not seen anyone IN the pool, but Javier lounged out by the pool a couple of times. Maybe we didn't get to see enough of the pool to recognize it as a swimming pool, but whatevva.
Also, I've been thinking about Isa wiping out both Xi and Al at the same time. Except for the fact that she sent Xi to Al in the hotel, there was no guarantee that Xi would go with him when she told him to drive to a certain location and wait. Do I recall correctly that he didn't want her along?
At the time, I thought it odd that Al would have pulled off parallel to a cliff with no guardrail, and then end up perpendicular to the edge--but that's a directorial choice, not Al's. Still Isa had to back up a few times and push. He and Xi might have been able to jump out, if they had reacted in time. Ok, maybe dangerous pull-offs don't have guardrails between Metepec and Aculco, but Isa was taking a chance that Xi would be with him--or that Xi might have talked Al into running away right there and then. Oh, well, it's all passe now and Isa is onto older and bigger things.
Dio has a one-track mind. He's determined to get to Camila. Why didn't he just go ahead and work at Daniel's elimination--the only thing HE thinks is standing in his way. He was certainly bummed out watching them getting closer and closer. It's been such a pleasure to see him get so angry and rattled over Natalia and Camila and how Gussie annoys the heck out of him--he just drips sarcasm. Yes, she gets it, but as someone mentioned, she wonders if it's her fault--and she WAS raised to be subservient to a husband, as man of the house.
Abe--ITA that Abe doesn't know anything about Dio's involvement in Miriam's getting shot. I do think he early on knew Daniel had't shot her, he just wanted Daniel out of the way. After he escaped, he knew nothing about Daniel's whereabouts and was just as glad to be rid of him. Meanwhile he had a pregnant sister on his hands and some assassin out there who might try again to harm Miriam. I approve of his trying to hide her from everyone. I'm wondering whatever happened to his parents--weren't they around at Daniel's wedding?
Teresa and Dante were very careful when inquiring from Abe's cop friend about Abe's whereabouts, NOT to mention that Daniel was actually alive. So Abe could speculate about any reason, but still cautious about who and why anyone from Mexico in the company of Daniel's friend would want to talk to him--other than Daniel. Maybe he thinks Dio can shed some light on it--maybe even if Dio had sent them. He doesn't know.
Cam 'n Dan have been happy, sad, and happy in the cabana. It's their cozy love nest/office/confessional booth/emotional retreat. The house represents Alonso, Ximena, Javier, Gussie, Dio and Isa. There aren't many bedrooms left where there isn't a left-over taint or smell. It will have to be fumigated from top to bottom before it can be made habitable for them as a married couple.
Except for the fact that she sent Xi to Al in the hotel, there was no guarantee that Xi would go with him when Isa told him to drive to a certain location and wait.
So Abe could speculate about any reason, but still cautious about who and why anyone from Mexico in the company of Daniel's friend would want to talk to him--other than ABOUT Daniel.
If Natalia is pregnant Cayetano would order Iago to man up and marry her, as the baby would be an Albarran. If he can accept Luzma he would certainly accept Natalia (He should have been more gracious to her at the wedding, but he needs a little time on that one).
However, being a consuegro with El Diablo might not be an appealing prospect to him.
I must say, however, that Pablo's family leaves much to be desired: Mariano is the only giving and kind one in the bunch. I hope Pablo and Luz aren't too severely tested in coming episodes.
So many narrative possibilities popping up. Daniel's comment from the night before about not being used to things going right jumped out at me. At least they have had this interlude of togetherness.
Cad, cad, cad -- only word for Iago.
Vivi- should I keep an eye out for you while watching the inauguration?
LoriLoo- love the kitties! What a sweet picture.
This lurker has no "hatred" aimed at the character. I can barely tolerate stupid women who define themselves by the man they're with and Agustina is one stupid woman who has never really appreciated Camila.
I wholeheartedly agree with Anon207 that Agustina harbors jealousy towards Camila.
Agustina has no insight into herself. She is going to be spending a long time in the school of hard knocks when that insurance scam comes knocking on her door.
If, at this particular point in the story, she were to witness El Diablo putting the moves on Camila, I think her brain would (literally) refuse to believe what she is seeing. Until her heart believes it, she ain't seein' nuttin'.
Camila's household staff (and, of course, Daniel) support her in her life so much more than her own mother. That is one sad commentary.
I was also happy to see Rocio at the wedding. Does that mean she's going to eventually repent? If Cayetano kicks Rocio out of BV, and Pablo is recognized as the true heir of MQ, I imagine that Luzma would give her a place to stay.
As for the wedding fashions, Luzma's dress was beautiful, but I didn't care for the braid hanging down the back of the veil.
And Pablo's pants were so tight, I also had to look away out of embarrassment.
I thought Camila's dress was elegant, tasteful, and interesting, and showed just the right amount of skin.
And Agustina looked pretty in the lace.
Aleta
Yago does not want Natalia except for sex, does not want to give Natalia her place, will not go against his family to give Natalia her place, disrespects Natalia and doesn't care if his family disrespects her either.
If Yago doesn't respect Natalia, why should Rocio and Cayetano?
So if Natalia DOES end up pregnant, I predict that not only will Yago not marry her, but his family won't force him to marry her either. They might throw her some child support or try to take the baby away from her but Natalia will not become Senora Albarran. Isadora. Camila, Iliana & New Girl stand a better chance of becoming Senora Albarran than Natalia does.
The only way Yago will marry Natalia is if Papa Dionisio forces him to. The force won't come from the Alberran side.
Jardinera Rodolfo noticing Yago's wandering eye? Didn't see that at all, thanks for noting. And Rocio's "disguise." Guess it worked - only because every one except Nana was looking at the ceremony.
I like the ones where you learn sth, raising bulls for the ring.
Destilando Amor, tequila industry.
It doesn't have as many of the usual cliches, has many surprises, lots of action & realistic human relationships. It has had more than it's share of hospital scenes though
Daniel y Pablo
Camila twice, bull attack,
kidnapping
Dionicio
Alonso
Becerra
Miriam
still to come Luzma
Did I miss anyone?
What would be interesting if Natalia became pregnant is what El Diablo would do. Would he man up and admit he's her father (to her, since he has assumed so and said so to Amanda) and would he enter a conflict over Hissadora trying to steal La Buenaventura? That would be interesting.
Not that this would steer him from his own collision course with disaster if he continues to delude himself into thinking he can have Camila.
Why have they typecast Cesar Evora as this kind of villain? Does he have to become Enrique Rocha's age for him to go to another character type?
Luis
Car accident (death)
Camila Monterde
Car accident
Bull Attack/Heart Attack/Transfusion
Kidnapping/Bull Attack (observation purposes)
Miriam Farcas de Diaz Acosta
Gun shot
Daniel Monterde
Heart attack (death)
Padre Baldemero
Car accident
Alonso Lazcano
Heart Attack
Car Accident/Heart Attack (death by euthansia)
Daniel Diaz Acosta
Gun Shot
Pablo Albarran
Gun Shot
Leoncio Martinez
Bodily disfigurement
Osvaldo Becerra
Stabbed
Dionisio Ferrer
Bull attack
(I'm looking at my favorite scenes a second time, so I paid more attention.)
Aleta
Vivi: I missed that about Cam calling Rafa and Aaron Viviana’s “Vivianitos. How cute.
If Nat is pregnant and Dio forces the match, I think it will be to get an “in” into La B.and the wealthy Albarran family
F**k with the devil and you'll get burned, Hissadora!
And if Augustina can recognize someone's perfume I'm willing to bet that she will ultimately smell it on El Diablo.
Mariano offers to help Cam and Dan re: the bulls and a job for her.
Flamenco music.
Marguerita takes the most important document in the world to Os.
Padre brings Rosario to Cam/Dan to tell her story.
We get a little more insight into Miriam and Dante.
The LMQ branch of the Scooby Gang is on the job to thwart Isa.
Cam/Dan kick Isa off the ranch.
Isa finds out Rosario is Al’s mother.
Gussie gets a few good digs in.
Amanda finally tells Nat who her father is.
Rosario tells her story to Sherlock Juarez.
Leo on the road to getting his revenge (his revenge is our revenge as long as he steers clear of the Scoobies, especially Luz).
Dio is not happy about Isa being kicked off the ranch.
The incriminating letters/pictures remain at LMQ.
LMQ celebrates its safety from evil hands.
Cam/Dan decide on a wedding date.
Isa calls Cayetano “weeping” about her losing LMQ (while flipping through a magazine).
Pablo gives Luz the happy news about LMQ.
Estevez tells Dio what’s what.
Juarez is going to look deeper into Isa.
No charges on Dan. He’s free!!
CME MOMENT!!!
HIPOLITO IS IN TOWN!!!!
Luz worries for her mother re: love.
Dorotea reminds Luz that Piedad deserves to be happy. Dorotea is very cool.
Cam tells Gussie, in no uncertain terms, that the wedding is on.
Dio’s not happy about Cam/Dan’s upcoming nuptials.
Isa mocking Cayetano.
Dan asks Amanda to stand in place for his mother at the wedding.
Nice party at LMQ.
Nice girly moment as Luz prepares for her wedding.
Tolentino gets something to be happy about.
ISA HAS NO CHANCE OF GETTING LMQ BACK.
Isa continues to lead Cayetano by the nose (this probably should be a low point, but I’m enjoying this too much to put it there).
Rocio shows up at the wedding (granted incognito).
Luz and Pablo’s wedding goes off without a hitch.
Vivi blows off Iago.
Dorotea and Eleutario are novios.
Aaron asks Nat to dance. Hmmmmm.
Piedad and Hipolito are novios.
Dante and Teresa make a little progress and are returning to town.
Nat tells Iago she wants to go public and he refuses. Now maybe she’ll get a clue.
Low Points:
Dio is especially cruel to Gussie when she tells him about Xi (and Al) being murdered.
Isa prepares to burn all Monterde family reminders.
Abe is keeping the Chile Scoobies from getting info on Miriam.
Dan’s behaviour towards Rosario.
Waiting for freakin’ ever for Os to show up at Cam/Dan’s with the MOST IMPORTANT DOCUMENT IN THE WORLD!
Nat does not take the news about Dio well.
Padre lets Rosario turn herself in alone. Badly done, Padre.
Iago being an ass to Nat after she learns about her father.
Gussie is a buzz kill—and a bit of a hypocrite re: Cam’s and Dan’s decision to marry soon.
Gussie still defends Dio even after his treatment of her. She still thinks Dio is a dios.
Abraham is calling Dio?!
Rosario goes to jail.
Dio and Isa doing it on the desk. Ewww!
Dio lies to Nat about his relationship with her mother.
Poor Nat is torn up about her situation.
Cayetano disrespecting his wife in front of their son.
Grown men teasing animals for sport.
Isa and Cayetano kiss.
Nat doesn’t trust Amanda.
Rocio’s men advice to little Ana.
Iago flirts with Vivi because, as we all know, he’s God’s gift, etc.
Isa finds a letter that is going to rock Pablo’s world.
Isa and Dio make out—again! Double ewww!!
Iago treats Nat like crap at the wedding.
Pablo has to “force” his father to acknowledge his wife.
Cayetano is barely civil to Luz. What a word that rhymes with ick.
Dio does that typical male thing, telling Gussie she’s paranoid when she accuses him of entertaining Isa.
Isa gives the damning letter to Cayetano (on this list for Pablo’s sake—don’t care about Cayetano or Rocio).
As much as I don't want Natalia to be pregnant, I'm worries if it was actually Luzma's. Seems a girl, coming this far from the end of the show, might give them excuse to kill off Luzma and have Pablo keep the baby in her memory. Must remember that they don't do things the normal way and maybe everything will be just fine.
Maybe this is what new girl is for. SHE'S the mother and this is all to throw us off track for the weekend. Nice trick, writers.
Kelly
A few favorite bits:
“Well, wait a bit, cuz after all, this is a telenovela and anything is possible, Big Boy!”
“… our felonious couple then celebrate with a lascivious toast to themselves and (what we believe leads to) a libidinous romp in Dionisio’s lair.”
Yummers! I spied molé at the wedding dinner!
I love to see the TN weddings, but then I love weddings in real life as well. I did notice a funny little production flub – when Dan sits down after giving away Luzma, he is on Camila’s right. When she leans her head on his shoulder and poor triste Mariano sees them, Dan is on her left. Then a few seconds later there is an overhead shot from the back of the church, and he is back on her right. Maybe the two lovebirds were actually tumbling over each other in church? ;)
I don’t hate or feel that I can’t bear Augustina. She’s a fool, and like the other foolish characters, I just feel sorry for her and a bit impatient. Like a lot of people, she lacks the skills and perhaps the maturity that would help her make better decisions and have a happier life. If I hated everyone like that who I came across, I would be doing a whole lotta hating. I do like the characters like Augustina who are a realistic mixture of good and incompetence which gives them some depth. I save my hating for the truly evil ones. Like Isadora. Hissssssss.
Poor Nat. She’s in a downward spiral. While I am very glad to see her dump Yago, she really doesn’t need more emotional distress right now. I don’t see prospects for her and Aaron; I think he just asked her to dance and the writers just wanted us to see how Yago was ignoring her and how dejected she was. Loved to see Vivi brush off that creep.
I liked Vivi’s hairdo a lot, but I think hair belongs under a bridal veil, not on top of it. Loved Camila’s dress.
I hope Natalia doesn't back down on her threat to end it with Yago. But I think there will be a few more sweet talks in her future before they are done.
It's true that the ones who are good at lying always know to turn the accusations around and even try to make the accuser think they are losing their marbles or are just insanely paranoid, as Dion does repeatedly to Aggie.
Someone has to find proof of El Diablo's multiplicity or Amanda will lose Natalia.
Nanette - thanks for the list. I am really concerned about Nat's downward spiral and poor decision making. I think she'll be OK by the end of the TN, but she going to go through a lot of hurt on quite a few levels for a while.
We forgot little Ana, who had an appendectomy.
The best is the part of the title: El Cozened Codger de Cuckolded Cayatonto
but also
The old fart’n fool de Cayatonto
and
El Vejestorio (the old fartcicle)
and
Cara de momentary anger and I-knew-it! de Cayatano
and
Cara de gritting dentures de Cayatano
Too bad I'm working on Alonso-isms, Cayetano offers some excellent new images.
Glad you stopped by and had such a good time with these threads!
I'm wondering when las ultimas will begin...Is that a new show in the 7pm Eastern slot kicking out the current Victoria Ruffo tn? Or is it a new novela? Can't tell.
Speaking of Nat, I too feared that she may be preggars, but I'm hoping that the writers are simply playing with us. ¡Ojalá!
First time around I had missed the handsome and mannerly Daniel bidding Amanada good-bye at the close of the wedding by saying to her: "mas bella cada dia". That could warm your heart! Wow!
She is a kind of mother-surrogate for him and he treats her so kindly and in such a gallant way.
I liked it also that Ossie pulled Amanda away from following Natalia. It was a wise and caring move, even if lots of troubles seem to lie ahead for Natalia.
This is a lesson Natalia has to learn the hard way no matter how hard it will be for Amanda to watch.
BTW, someone mentioned Miriam's parents before; they died before the beginning of the story. Miriam only has Abraham as family.
Because this episode was so focused on love, aside from the seeds of discord Isa is sowing in the Alberran household, I also noticed so many of the little nice moments in this episode—the “Vivianitos” line I mentioned before; Cami getting a matchmaker gleam in her eye when Aaron asked Nat to dance (Anon 5:55 I agree that it was just Aaron being the nice man he is); Pablo teasing Mariano about Ana thinking of her future marriage to Roman when she said grandma won’t be coming to her wedding either; Osvaldo’s very manly, and wise grab of Amanda’s arm to prevent her from going after Nat; seeing Pablo and Luzma so happy; Pablo making Cayetano acknowledge Luzma; all the happy couples (Dan-Cam, Piedad-Hip, Dorotea-Eluterio, Vivi-Rafa); Dan complimenting Amanda.
So much love and happiness can only mean one thing…the crap is about to hit the fan. :)
"So much love and happiness can only mean one thing…the crap is about to hit the fan. :)"
You are so right. Bummer!!
We might have had two more if they had taken Roman to the hospital after his fall down a 14' deep silo (if Mariano is about 6', and he had to repel down, it had to be at least 12-14' deep). Let's just say they should have taken him to the hospital. When Daniel re-opened his wound struggling with Bruno he would have been taken to the hospital had Camila not been a vet and been willing to stitch him closed again.
Should we count the time Camila went in to get the doctor's statement on Alonso's "problemita" and when Dan went to turn in the hair samples for DNA testing?
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