Saturday, January 26, 2013
Por ella soy Eva #133 1/25/13: Sparks Fly; Chips Fall.
Actually, the sparks and chips are only just beginning to fly and fall. But we're off to a good start!
Fernando works the crowd at the anniversary celebration, handing out his resume and telling people he's looking for work. Santi spots him, and Fernando tries to tell him that this folder full of resumes that he's holding was left behind by some other people. ("North Americans" is a mildly sarcastic term for USAdians; Mexico is part of North America.) Fernando complains about his new job, but Santiago is impressed that they gave him time off to attend this conference. Fern seems nervous about running into Marcela, but Santi says she'll be doing her presentation soon.
But no she won't, because Rebeca has bumped Marcela's presentation to make room for a big-name expert on convention tourism. "I couldn't bump anyone else, but since no one knows who you are..." Helena tries to be supportive, but Rebeca is dismissive. "Just sit and listen to the expert, and maybe you'll learn something," she tells Marcela. "Maybe you can do your presentation next year."
(Alone, in a rare show of Lucero's comic abilities, Helena mimics Rebeca.)
Santi and Fernando encounter a job recruiter named Rodrigo Valenzuela. (He has dimples!) Fernando immediately begins sucking up to him. "Just save us both some time and give me your resume," Rodrigo says. He asks Fern if he'd be willing to travel overseas without his family. Fern says yes, he'd be willing to do that for his family.
Renato approaches Rebeca: "You bumped Marcela from her panel. She was supposed to co-present with that expert." (And he didn't tell Marcela that, apparently, because she didn't even know that guy was going to be there.) Rebeca chuckles evilly, "Yeah, and it'll look like it's your fault!"
After the expert's presentation, Helena and Eva try to comfort Marcela. Eva says she'll talk to Adri and try to fix it. Then Marcela sees Fernando, who tries not to look as guilty as he feels.
Then Adriano sees Fernando, too. He is definitely not glad to see him. Eva tells Adri about Marcela getting bumped from her presentation and also says Fernando's done something nice for his wife for a change, so why not leave him alone? Adri says he'll take care of Marcela's presentation.
Marcela is horrified that Fernando left the kids alone at the house. She phones home and Jennifer assures her that they're just fine. Jennifer asks how the presentation went. Marcela is evasive.
The Caveboy, the Octopus, and the Studious Princess
Rewinding a bit...
At school, Jennifer tells Daniel how impressed she was with her father's spontaneous romantic gesture of taking off for Acapulco. Daniel brags that he's the one who got him the time off from work. He mauls her with kisses. She pushes him off. He apologizes.
Later, at the Contreras house, he asks if she's mad at him for kissing her at school. She says it was a bit much. He says she has to get used to it because she's his girlfriend. Now he wants more kisses, but she needs to study and call her mom.
Then Kevin comes out of his room and announces that he's going out with some friends. Jennifer protests that Dad said he could only go out for music class. "I'm a man, so I can do whatever I like." Jenn tells him to go to his room. Daniel tells her to let him go. Kevin leaves, and Daniel starts pawing at her again and she looks exasperated.
But apparently not exasperated enough to kick him out yet, because he's still there a while later, bragging that he doesn't need to study. (Of course not - no one needs to study to be a jackass.) Mom calls. Jennifer covers for Kevin, saying she sent him to the store. Daniel gropes her the entire time. After the call, he scolds her for saying that Kevin went out. "You'll spoil their vacation." More kisses. More pushing him away: "I have to study."
That evening, he's still there and she's still fending him off and trying to study. "I just want to show you how much I love you. Don't you want me to be your first?" Jennifer says sure, but she's not ready for that just yet. "Then you don't love me as much as you say. I even got your dad a job! Don't you want to show me how much you love me?" (He is giving me flashbacks from the golden age of After-School TV Specials.)
Kevin conveniently comes home at that moment. She scolds him for making her worry; he demands chilaquiles. She tells him to get the ingredients, and shoves Daniel out the door.
What Women DON'T Want
In Acapulco, Eva asks Helena what she meant about Pluto not being a good example to Lalito. Helena deflects and changes the subject: "Have you been talking to Juan?" Eva says they exchanged phone numbers when they met at the hospital to see Eugenia, but only "just in case." She asks if Helena is jealous - if she thinks an old widow like her can't get a guy like Juan?
Suddenly Eva grimaces in pain, but Helena doesn't notice. "It's just that you seem to know a lot about Juan. But I know you would NEVER betray me!"
Then Eva is whisked away for an interview with the press. They say she's a new role model for female executives. They ask about the wedding, but Eva gets a cramp and scurries away. Adriano follows. She tells him to get her a glass of milk and a pill for her cramp.
As soon as Adri is out of sight, Mendoza shows up to invite Eva to dinner. Eva can't say much besides "Ow..." (She's not faking - she's got JC's chronic indigestion.) Mendoza tries to comfort her by rubbing her shoulders. Adri comes back and sees him; he takes a swing at Mendoza, but misses and falls into a chair.
"You are embarrassing me," Eva complains. Adri swings and misses again, this time breaking a vase or something. Pluto interrupts the fight. "You're killing me," Eva shouts as she stomps off. "See how I walk like a dead person."
Mendoza tells Pluti, "You're not paying me enough for this. I could get fired."
"I'll fire him," Adri tells Eva in his (or her?) room. "You can't fire him after all these years," Eva says soothingly. Adri's angry face gets even redder. "What do you mean 'all these years'? I've known you less than a year!" Oops. He's not happy with the way he's acting; Eva persuades him to apologize to Mendoza.
Adriano does so, then hastily slurps down a cosmopolitan or something like it. It's a good thing he's not in a position where he needs to have good judgment or anything...
Some time later: Eva asks Helena, "what would it take to change your mind about Juan Carlos?" She promises not to tell him Helena's answer. (Just digging Juan's grave a little deeper...) Eva says it's just that this seems like a great place for a romantic reconciliation. Helena says JC will just have to figure that out on his own - the right words and actions. Eva thinks Helena should at least meet him halfway by forgiving him.
Pluto flatters Helena about tomorrow's presentation. She tells him to stop harassing her, and stomps off. He grinds his teeth. Later, he tells Adri that he has a surprise for Helena tomorrow.
Adri asks Pluto to keep Mendoza far away from Eva. Pluto says something like, "a man doesn't go where a woman doesn't want him." I would love to know what it takes to signal a guy like Pluto that he isn't wanted!
The next morning, Adriano is giving an informal speech on the very windy beach when someone from the crowd interrupts: "Let's hope this project doesn't fail because of women!" Jacqui has to remind Adriano of the guy's name: Fairbanks. Everyone flashes back to the first episode, when Juan Carlos was seducing this man's fiancée Camila. They have a fairly cordial reunion until Fairbanks jokes that he hopes that doesn't happen with Adriano and his fiancée! Eva gives Fairbanks a powerful back-slap; Adriano attacks him indignantly. Eva restrains Adri and tells them both to cool off. Then she resets Adri's dislocated shoulder.
Miscellany
Onesimo is hanging out at a bar when Rebeca calls for a status report. He decides to make her suffer a little. She yells at him for taking too long to answer his phone. He reminds her to watch her tone - he's very sensitive. She asks more nicely, did he find anything? He says sorry, no - he wasn't able to open the safe. He'll keep looking, though! She warns that if he doesn't find the money, he can just forget about having her hot body.
Elsewhere, Claudia tells Eugenia her accomplice was only supposed to drive her around for a while, but it got out of hand. Eugenia wants to know who he is; he should be punished. Claudia says it doesn't matter any more; it's all in the past.
Eugenia says Claudia still owes her something. "Oh right, thanks for changing Dad's mind about sending me to boarding school," Claudia replies snottily. She seems incapable of speaking to Eugenia in a civil tone.
At the courthouse, Silvia and Ed finalize their divorce. It is the most romantic thing we've ever seen them do. The judge says they still need to work out the alimony, but their marriage is over. They can pick up their papers in a few weeks.
Ed tells Silvia he's glad she agreed to the alimony. She stiffly replies that she's only doing it to help support her daughter and grandson.
He reminds her that she still needs to pick up the rest of her stuff at the house. He even offers to be absent if she'd rather do it when he's not around. She says she'll let him know and wishes him the best of luck.
One More Thing
Renato is chatting with Thumbs-Up Guy and his pal (those two obnoxious old buzzards are the sexist male equivalent of the Blue Dresses). A very handsome man approaches and introduces himself as Gabriel Ospina. He asks Renato if he's the organizer of this event. "I'm one of them," Renato says warily. Gabe puts a friendly hand on Renato's shoulder and gives him a big smile. He'd like to see the schedule. Renato recommends Helena's presentation on Playa Majagua tomorrow. Gabe thanks him and leaves. Snickering, Thumbs-Up Guy asks Renato, "Do you know who that was? That's the guy who made the proposal for gay tourism that Adriano shot down."
Next time:
Looks like Pluto hijacks Helena's presentation with a very public marriage proposal. He grins like an idiot; Helena stares at him with confusion and disgust.
Fernando works the crowd at the anniversary celebration, handing out his resume and telling people he's looking for work. Santi spots him, and Fernando tries to tell him that this folder full of resumes that he's holding was left behind by some other people. ("North Americans" is a mildly sarcastic term for USAdians; Mexico is part of North America.) Fernando complains about his new job, but Santiago is impressed that they gave him time off to attend this conference. Fern seems nervous about running into Marcela, but Santi says she'll be doing her presentation soon.
But no she won't, because Rebeca has bumped Marcela's presentation to make room for a big-name expert on convention tourism. "I couldn't bump anyone else, but since no one knows who you are..." Helena tries to be supportive, but Rebeca is dismissive. "Just sit and listen to the expert, and maybe you'll learn something," she tells Marcela. "Maybe you can do your presentation next year."
(Alone, in a rare show of Lucero's comic abilities, Helena mimics Rebeca.)
Santi and Fernando encounter a job recruiter named Rodrigo Valenzuela. (He has dimples!) Fernando immediately begins sucking up to him. "Just save us both some time and give me your resume," Rodrigo says. He asks Fern if he'd be willing to travel overseas without his family. Fern says yes, he'd be willing to do that for his family.
Renato approaches Rebeca: "You bumped Marcela from her panel. She was supposed to co-present with that expert." (And he didn't tell Marcela that, apparently, because she didn't even know that guy was going to be there.) Rebeca chuckles evilly, "Yeah, and it'll look like it's your fault!"
After the expert's presentation, Helena and Eva try to comfort Marcela. Eva says she'll talk to Adri and try to fix it. Then Marcela sees Fernando, who tries not to look as guilty as he feels.
Then Adriano sees Fernando, too. He is definitely not glad to see him. Eva tells Adri about Marcela getting bumped from her presentation and also says Fernando's done something nice for his wife for a change, so why not leave him alone? Adri says he'll take care of Marcela's presentation.
Marcela is horrified that Fernando left the kids alone at the house. She phones home and Jennifer assures her that they're just fine. Jennifer asks how the presentation went. Marcela is evasive.
The Caveboy, the Octopus, and the Studious Princess
Rewinding a bit...
At school, Jennifer tells Daniel how impressed she was with her father's spontaneous romantic gesture of taking off for Acapulco. Daniel brags that he's the one who got him the time off from work. He mauls her with kisses. She pushes him off. He apologizes.
Later, at the Contreras house, he asks if she's mad at him for kissing her at school. She says it was a bit much. He says she has to get used to it because she's his girlfriend. Now he wants more kisses, but she needs to study and call her mom.
Then Kevin comes out of his room and announces that he's going out with some friends. Jennifer protests that Dad said he could only go out for music class. "I'm a man, so I can do whatever I like." Jenn tells him to go to his room. Daniel tells her to let him go. Kevin leaves, and Daniel starts pawing at her again and she looks exasperated.
But apparently not exasperated enough to kick him out yet, because he's still there a while later, bragging that he doesn't need to study. (Of course not - no one needs to study to be a jackass.) Mom calls. Jennifer covers for Kevin, saying she sent him to the store. Daniel gropes her the entire time. After the call, he scolds her for saying that Kevin went out. "You'll spoil their vacation." More kisses. More pushing him away: "I have to study."
That evening, he's still there and she's still fending him off and trying to study. "I just want to show you how much I love you. Don't you want me to be your first?" Jennifer says sure, but she's not ready for that just yet. "Then you don't love me as much as you say. I even got your dad a job! Don't you want to show me how much you love me?" (He is giving me flashbacks from the golden age of After-School TV Specials.)
Kevin conveniently comes home at that moment. She scolds him for making her worry; he demands chilaquiles. She tells him to get the ingredients, and shoves Daniel out the door.
What Women DON'T Want
In Acapulco, Eva asks Helena what she meant about Pluto not being a good example to Lalito. Helena deflects and changes the subject: "Have you been talking to Juan?" Eva says they exchanged phone numbers when they met at the hospital to see Eugenia, but only "just in case." She asks if Helena is jealous - if she thinks an old widow like her can't get a guy like Juan?
Suddenly Eva grimaces in pain, but Helena doesn't notice. "It's just that you seem to know a lot about Juan. But I know you would NEVER betray me!"
Then Eva is whisked away for an interview with the press. They say she's a new role model for female executives. They ask about the wedding, but Eva gets a cramp and scurries away. Adriano follows. She tells him to get her a glass of milk and a pill for her cramp.
As soon as Adri is out of sight, Mendoza shows up to invite Eva to dinner. Eva can't say much besides "Ow..." (She's not faking - she's got JC's chronic indigestion.) Mendoza tries to comfort her by rubbing her shoulders. Adri comes back and sees him; he takes a swing at Mendoza, but misses and falls into a chair.
"You are embarrassing me," Eva complains. Adri swings and misses again, this time breaking a vase or something. Pluto interrupts the fight. "You're killing me," Eva shouts as she stomps off. "See how I walk like a dead person."
Mendoza tells Pluti, "You're not paying me enough for this. I could get fired."
"I'll fire him," Adri tells Eva in his (or her?) room. "You can't fire him after all these years," Eva says soothingly. Adri's angry face gets even redder. "What do you mean 'all these years'? I've known you less than a year!" Oops. He's not happy with the way he's acting; Eva persuades him to apologize to Mendoza.
Adriano does so, then hastily slurps down a cosmopolitan or something like it. It's a good thing he's not in a position where he needs to have good judgment or anything...
Some time later: Eva asks Helena, "what would it take to change your mind about Juan Carlos?" She promises not to tell him Helena's answer. (Just digging Juan's grave a little deeper...) Eva says it's just that this seems like a great place for a romantic reconciliation. Helena says JC will just have to figure that out on his own - the right words and actions. Eva thinks Helena should at least meet him halfway by forgiving him.
Pluto flatters Helena about tomorrow's presentation. She tells him to stop harassing her, and stomps off. He grinds his teeth. Later, he tells Adri that he has a surprise for Helena tomorrow.
Adri asks Pluto to keep Mendoza far away from Eva. Pluto says something like, "a man doesn't go where a woman doesn't want him." I would love to know what it takes to signal a guy like Pluto that he isn't wanted!
The next morning, Adriano is giving an informal speech on the very windy beach when someone from the crowd interrupts: "Let's hope this project doesn't fail because of women!" Jacqui has to remind Adriano of the guy's name: Fairbanks. Everyone flashes back to the first episode, when Juan Carlos was seducing this man's fiancée Camila. They have a fairly cordial reunion until Fairbanks jokes that he hopes that doesn't happen with Adriano and his fiancée! Eva gives Fairbanks a powerful back-slap; Adriano attacks him indignantly. Eva restrains Adri and tells them both to cool off. Then she resets Adri's dislocated shoulder.
Miscellany
Onesimo is hanging out at a bar when Rebeca calls for a status report. He decides to make her suffer a little. She yells at him for taking too long to answer his phone. He reminds her to watch her tone - he's very sensitive. She asks more nicely, did he find anything? He says sorry, no - he wasn't able to open the safe. He'll keep looking, though! She warns that if he doesn't find the money, he can just forget about having her hot body.
Elsewhere, Claudia tells Eugenia her accomplice was only supposed to drive her around for a while, but it got out of hand. Eugenia wants to know who he is; he should be punished. Claudia says it doesn't matter any more; it's all in the past.
Eugenia says Claudia still owes her something. "Oh right, thanks for changing Dad's mind about sending me to boarding school," Claudia replies snottily. She seems incapable of speaking to Eugenia in a civil tone.
At the courthouse, Silvia and Ed finalize their divorce. It is the most romantic thing we've ever seen them do. The judge says they still need to work out the alimony, but their marriage is over. They can pick up their papers in a few weeks.
Ed tells Silvia he's glad she agreed to the alimony. She stiffly replies that she's only doing it to help support her daughter and grandson.
He reminds her that she still needs to pick up the rest of her stuff at the house. He even offers to be absent if she'd rather do it when he's not around. She says she'll let him know and wishes him the best of luck.
One More Thing
Renato is chatting with Thumbs-Up Guy and his pal (those two obnoxious old buzzards are the sexist male equivalent of the Blue Dresses). A very handsome man approaches and introduces himself as Gabriel Ospina. He asks Renato if he's the organizer of this event. "I'm one of them," Renato says warily. Gabe puts a friendly hand on Renato's shoulder and gives him a big smile. He'd like to see the schedule. Renato recommends Helena's presentation on Playa Majagua tomorrow. Gabe thanks him and leaves. Snickering, Thumbs-Up Guy asks Renato, "Do you know who that was? That's the guy who made the proposal for gay tourism that Adriano shot down."
Next time:
Looks like Pluto hijacks Helena's presentation with a very public marriage proposal. He grins like an idiot; Helena stares at him with confusion and disgust.
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Julie- Another wonderful recap. Thank you.
This line made me laugh: "Of course not - no one needs to study to be a jackass." I so wish Jennifer would get fed up with Daniel and be done with him. It was funny how Jennifer looked and sounded exactly like Marcela dealing with two bad kids as she dealt with Kevin and Daniel.
I felt so bad for Marcela. I want her to be able to do her presentation now-- not in some vague future timeframe. How does Rebeca not get reamed out by the bosses for this?
The hottie gay tourism guy is currently in Amor Bravio as a hottie Chilean insurance agent and bff of the galan. I really hope he becomes Renato's boyfriend.
This line made me laugh: "Of course not - no one needs to study to be a jackass." I so wish Jennifer would get fed up with Daniel and be done with him. It was funny how Jennifer looked and sounded exactly like Marcela dealing with two bad kids as she dealt with Kevin and Daniel.
I felt so bad for Marcela. I want her to be able to do her presentation now-- not in some vague future timeframe. How does Rebeca not get reamed out by the bosses for this?
The hottie gay tourism guy is currently in Amor Bravio as a hottie Chilean insurance agent and bff of the galan. I really hope he becomes Renato's boyfriend.
If not, he can become MY boyfriend.
I do find it very odd that Jennifer still says she loves Daniel. You'd think she'd be sick of him by now.
I do find it very odd that Jennifer still says she loves Daniel. You'd think she'd be sick of him by now.
I borrowed my title from the end of Ithabill's recap. Bill, I hope you don't mind. There were so many different things going on that I couldn't come up with a better way to sum it all up!
Julie, wonderful, wonderful recap. I'm with Vivi about my favorite line "Of course not- no one needs to study to be a jackass", pure gold Julie, lol.
I too felt bad for Marcela, what a jackass Rebe is. Hopefully, Adri will fix this. I like how Eva and Helena vowed to help her.
Fern is an idiot. I hope Jennifer is gonna be ok, that Daniel is a creep and a half.
Loved the hottie gay tourism guide too. I hope he isn't a set up from Rebe. Renato was taken with him, he was sweating, lol.
So Fairbanks has shown up again. Interesting. Did he ever marry Camila? Poor Adri, first dealing with Mendoza and now Fairbanks.
Loved Onesimo leaving Rebe hanging, that was too funny. I hope he leaves her hanging a long time. She has been ever so rude to him.
I too liked Lucero's face making and Helena making fun of Rebe, it was quite funny. There are bloopers of MEPS on Youtube that show her funny side, faces, missed lines, etc and also of FC that are very funny. I can now see why they put FC in a comedy.
I too felt bad for Marcela, what a jackass Rebe is. Hopefully, Adri will fix this. I like how Eva and Helena vowed to help her.
Fern is an idiot. I hope Jennifer is gonna be ok, that Daniel is a creep and a half.
Loved the hottie gay tourism guide too. I hope he isn't a set up from Rebe. Renato was taken with him, he was sweating, lol.
So Fairbanks has shown up again. Interesting. Did he ever marry Camila? Poor Adri, first dealing with Mendoza and now Fairbanks.
Loved Onesimo leaving Rebe hanging, that was too funny. I hope he leaves her hanging a long time. She has been ever so rude to him.
I too liked Lucero's face making and Helena making fun of Rebe, it was quite funny. There are bloopers of MEPS on Youtube that show her funny side, faces, missed lines, etc and also of FC that are very funny. I can now see why they put FC in a comedy.
Funny, Madelaine - it hadn't occurred to me that Rebeca might have specially invited Gay Tourism Guy. (I definitely saw sparks between him and Renato.) It DID occur to me, however, that she (or Pluto) might have invited Fairbanks to stir up trouble.
I didn't hear Fairbanks say whether or not he married Camila, but I would guess not. The cheating would have been bad enough, but everyone saw it and he was humiliated.
As for Onesimo... he's very smart to play it cool with Rebeca. She might end up throwing herself at him in desperation!
Lucero really was quite funny. It's a shame she doesn't get to do that more often. Maybe she'll get another villain role one of these days where she can do more sarcasm and irony. In fact, her character in STUD would have been a lot more appealing if she'd had a sense of humor - even if only a mean one.
So... what do we think of Fernando's potential job prospect? Maybe he'll get sent to Siberia - literally.
I didn't hear Fairbanks say whether or not he married Camila, but I would guess not. The cheating would have been bad enough, but everyone saw it and he was humiliated.
As for Onesimo... he's very smart to play it cool with Rebeca. She might end up throwing herself at him in desperation!
Lucero really was quite funny. It's a shame she doesn't get to do that more often. Maybe she'll get another villain role one of these days where she can do more sarcasm and irony. In fact, her character in STUD would have been a lot more appealing if she'd had a sense of humor - even if only a mean one.
So... what do we think of Fernando's potential job prospect? Maybe he'll get sent to Siberia - literally.
Oh, Julie, Siberia, too funny. Anywhere icy and cold would be great like the Yukon or those territories in Canada that are part of the frozen tundra, lol.
Thanks, Julie. And claro que no, I don't mind. I do like how you lumped all the scenes into their own storylines. It makes more sense.
I like Onesimo. There's something sweet about him, even if he is a thug. He really is a match for Rebeca, and I like him driving her crazy. I thought the fact that he stopped to pay his respects to Antonia yesterday showed something significant about the character.
I know you guys have been saying it all along, but I really didn't like Fernando tonight. He went to the party to hand out his resume. He could have told the kids that. He wasn't bad with Marcela when she was so disappointed, but she seemed like an afterthought in the whole process. Not that he's been anything but an idiot in the way he's shown it, but at least I always felt his feelings for her were deep. sigh, as someone wise once said, no one needs to study to be a jackass.
I like Onesimo. There's something sweet about him, even if he is a thug. He really is a match for Rebeca, and I like him driving her crazy. I thought the fact that he stopped to pay his respects to Antonia yesterday showed something significant about the character.
I know you guys have been saying it all along, but I really didn't like Fernando tonight. He went to the party to hand out his resume. He could have told the kids that. He wasn't bad with Marcela when she was so disappointed, but she seemed like an afterthought in the whole process. Not that he's been anything but an idiot in the way he's shown it, but at least I always felt his feelings for her were deep. sigh, as someone wise once said, no one needs to study to be a jackass.
Julie, thank you for your recap with all of the quotes.
The hair on the back of my neck stood up twice during this episode. The first was when Kevin tells Jennifer that he is a "man" and can do what he wants and then comes home expecting her to make chilaquiles. He is acting like a little Fernando and evidently is being raised to be just like his loser father. The second was when Daniel lays the guilt trip on Jennifer for not wanting to have sex with him. If she loved him she would and then there is all he has done for her dad and taking it farther her family. How disgusting and she is too young and inexperienced to recognize the oldest line of all. In the promos it looks like Pluterco is going to try to lay the mother of all guilt trips on Helena in the next episode. Let us hope she is strong and smart enough to let him look like a jack *ss in front of everyone.
What I could not believe was the absolute nerve of Fernando job hunting at the anniversary celebration of the company that fired him. He deserved what Adriano delivered. Too bad Marcela was there. He should have been thrown out.
Onesimo seems to be creating his own little power base and getting the upper hand by lying to Rebeca. He is really enjoying provoking her. I loved watching him count the three milion.
And then there is Eva the "new image of the woman executive." Need I say more?
It was a very good episode.
Jarifa
The hair on the back of my neck stood up twice during this episode. The first was when Kevin tells Jennifer that he is a "man" and can do what he wants and then comes home expecting her to make chilaquiles. He is acting like a little Fernando and evidently is being raised to be just like his loser father. The second was when Daniel lays the guilt trip on Jennifer for not wanting to have sex with him. If she loved him she would and then there is all he has done for her dad and taking it farther her family. How disgusting and she is too young and inexperienced to recognize the oldest line of all. In the promos it looks like Pluterco is going to try to lay the mother of all guilt trips on Helena in the next episode. Let us hope she is strong and smart enough to let him look like a jack *ss in front of everyone.
What I could not believe was the absolute nerve of Fernando job hunting at the anniversary celebration of the company that fired him. He deserved what Adriano delivered. Too bad Marcela was there. He should have been thrown out.
Onesimo seems to be creating his own little power base and getting the upper hand by lying to Rebeca. He is really enjoying provoking her. I loved watching him count the three milion.
And then there is Eva the "new image of the woman executive." Need I say more?
It was a very good episode.
Jarifa
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: Saturday, January 26, 2013 at 9:34:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 26, 2013 at 9:34:00 PM EST
I'm relieved that while Daniel is being emotionally manipulative with Jennifer, at least he's not using physical force on her (yet).
But, yeah, Fernando. At first I wondered how Marcela would feel about his taking a job overseas; then I realized that I don't care. If she can't bring herself to kick him out of the house, maybe he ought to kick himself out. It's starting to look as though he's incorrigible (I mean, even Bastardo has turned a corner!), and he is a terrible influence on both his children.
So, how do we think Helena will respond to Pluto's proposal next week? She looked like she was trying to decide between punching him and vomiting, but I'm afraid she'll panic and blurt "yes." (Or some romantic idiot will yell "yes" on her behalf!)
But, yeah, Fernando. At first I wondered how Marcela would feel about his taking a job overseas; then I realized that I don't care. If she can't bring herself to kick him out of the house, maybe he ought to kick himself out. It's starting to look as though he's incorrigible (I mean, even Bastardo has turned a corner!), and he is a terrible influence on both his children.
So, how do we think Helena will respond to Pluto's proposal next week? She looked like she was trying to decide between punching him and vomiting, but I'm afraid she'll panic and blurt "yes." (Or some romantic idiot will yell "yes" on her behalf!)
Thanks for the great recap Julie.
Nothing much to say. Except that I felt sorry for you as recapper, when I recognized Televisa's Speech-Swallowing Pool. Remember it from Fea? They should use it for national security - anything said next to that pool becomes garbled and unintelligible.
Other than that... shuffle, shuffle. We're out here.
Nothing much to say. Except that I felt sorry for you as recapper, when I recognized Televisa's Speech-Swallowing Pool. Remember it from Fea? They should use it for national security - anything said next to that pool becomes garbled and unintelligible.
Other than that... shuffle, shuffle. We're out here.
Julie rides again with another super recap! Thanks for your wit and wisdom (no one needs to study to be a jackass.)
When the disgruntled Fairbanks showed up at the celebration, I thought of PESE beginning in Acapulco. Now we've come full circle, in the same place, with many characters ready for a new start.
La Paloma
When the disgruntled Fairbanks showed up at the celebration, I thought of PESE beginning in Acapulco. Now we've come full circle, in the same place, with many characters ready for a new start.
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Saturday, January 26, 2013 at 11:18:00 PM EST
: Saturday, January 26, 2013 at 11:18:00 PM EST
It would be like the Cone of Silence, if the Cone of Silence had ever actually worked.
I just relied on the captions to tell me what they were saying, so hopefully those were accurate... they seemed plausible enough.
That pool wasn't nearly as troublesome as a particular noisy fountain in FELS. Why, oh why, didn't they turn that damned thing off while filming?
I just relied on the captions to tell me what they were saying, so hopefully those were accurate... they seemed plausible enough.
That pool wasn't nearly as troublesome as a particular noisy fountain in FELS. Why, oh why, didn't they turn that damned thing off while filming?
Sorry, I was referring to the pool when I said it was like the Cone of Silence. (Though to be fair it was more like the Cone of Muffling.)
Paloma - you asked a while back if I was the one who led the discussion in the rerun of LFMB. I certainly commented plenty, but Paula's the one who hosted the whole thing. Nice work. :-)
Paloma - you asked a while back if I was the one who led the discussion in the rerun of LFMB. I certainly commented plenty, but Paula's the one who hosted the whole thing. Nice work. :-)
Julie-- Marcela should be so lucky for Fernando to get a job overseas!
Jarifa
Jarifa
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 27, 2013 at 12:48:00 AM EST
: Sunday, January 27, 2013 at 12:48:00 AM EST
I burst out in laughter when I read Julie's perfect 'jackass' line. This was a great recap! So many things look like they are about to happen in these beach episodes! Loving' it!
It 's interesting that Fairbanks is back. He's got to be up to no good with revenge or worse and I agree with the comment that PLuty or Rebecca may have invited him to stir things up.
I wish Juan would just allow Eva to be a friend who helps Helena get to the bottom of the fraud and just be a friend to her....period!! His tactic of using Eva to pry into Helena's head and heart with the purpose of getting her back with Juan is going to come back and bite him in the butt if Helena ever finds out that he is really Eva. He's deceiving her for crying out loud and I really want to see the two of them happily together!
I think Lucero is genuinely having fun playing this role and that's why we are seeing a bit of her comedic side which I too am enjoying. You can say the same of Camil, Ochoa, Soenne (sp. - Rebecca) . I also like Luceros scenes with the boy playing her son. The two of them really click. Gertie
It 's interesting that Fairbanks is back. He's got to be up to no good with revenge or worse and I agree with the comment that PLuty or Rebecca may have invited him to stir things up.
I wish Juan would just allow Eva to be a friend who helps Helena get to the bottom of the fraud and just be a friend to her....period!! His tactic of using Eva to pry into Helena's head and heart with the purpose of getting her back with Juan is going to come back and bite him in the butt if Helena ever finds out that he is really Eva. He's deceiving her for crying out loud and I really want to see the two of them happily together!
I think Lucero is genuinely having fun playing this role and that's why we are seeing a bit of her comedic side which I too am enjoying. You can say the same of Camil, Ochoa, Soenne (sp. - Rebecca) . I also like Luceros scenes with the boy playing her son. The two of them really click. Gertie
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 27, 2013 at 1:25:00 AM EST
: Sunday, January 27, 2013 at 1:25:00 AM EST
I agree with everything Gertie just said. I shudder a little when Eva pries into Helena's head for information about her feelings for himself. It's more than a mistake. I think it's wrong. I hope he comes to realize that, because I do really like the character.
These actors are great and look like they're having a lot of fun doing this. This is only my third TN, and I've enjoyed them all a lot, but I may now be ruined for just watching the comedies. Unfortunately they seem to be rare.
These actors are great and look like they're having a lot of fun doing this. This is only my third TN, and I've enjoyed them all a lot, but I may now be ruined for just watching the comedies. Unfortunately they seem to be rare.
Not telling Helena he's Eva is a mistake, it's wrong, and it's a perfect example of what Juan needs to understand before he can be worthy of winning Helena back. Paula said a few days ago that this has been more about him trying to GET her, when it should be all about trying to DESERVE her.
Gertie, Helena HAS to find out that Eva is Juan. There's no "if." It's one of the telenovela rules - that she find out EVERYTHING and that JC pay for EVERYTHING.
If we're going to do it the typical cliche way, then Helena has to find out soon so that we can have a miserable couple of weeks where she's totally angry with him and won't let him explain. Then he has to go through hell to prove himself.
Maybe there's an innovative, fresh new way to do it faster and still be plausible. I can't think of one, but that's why I don't write these things!
Gertie, Helena HAS to find out that Eva is Juan. There's no "if." It's one of the telenovela rules - that she find out EVERYTHING and that JC pay for EVERYTHING.
If we're going to do it the typical cliche way, then Helena has to find out soon so that we can have a miserable couple of weeks where she's totally angry with him and won't let him explain. Then he has to go through hell to prove himself.
Maybe there's an innovative, fresh new way to do it faster and still be plausible. I can't think of one, but that's why I don't write these things!
I 'm chuckling Julie because although I want resolution faster, I think you are right and so is Paula. Helena will suffer heartache and Juan will have hell to pay because of the way he has Eva trying to manipulate their relationship. Thank the Virgincita that it's a comedy and we can all share a few laughs along the way! I'm with Bill...I now feel spoiled and will be seeking out TN comedies which are only few and far between. Gertie
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 27, 2013 at 1:40:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 27, 2013 at 1:40:00 PM EST
There have been non-comedies that were good, too. The problem is that high quality TNs of any type - comedy, camp, drama, super-dark melodrama - are not the majority. (Especially from Televisa, I am told.)
And the longer you watch TNs, the more you feel as though you've seen it all before, because plots get recycled, and cliches are done to death - much like our daytime soaps in the US. You start feeling impatient, and sometimes you can even tell that the actors are feeling the same way.
Fortunately, there are things that can make a TN watchable even with a mediocre script or cliched story. You need to be on the lookout for those things if you want to keep enjoying TNs.
For example, when the actors are having a good time, it's more fun for me, too. Una Familia con Suerte wasn't the most brilliant story of all time, but the actors were obviously having a blast.
Before that, MEPS looked like it was going to be a cliche-ridden snoozefest, but it wasn't. Sure, the cliches were there. But Lucero really brought something unique as a villain, and it was fascinating to watch the new chemistry she had with Colunga in that kind of role.
(Sergio Sendel was in both of those, too - and he's an actor who makes his own fun if it isn't already built into the role.)
So, hang in there. Just when I was ready to throw in the towel, along came Por Ella Soy Eva. The good ones are worth waiting for!
Next, we'll see how Colunga does with comedy. That should be interesting. If the story's good, that will be a bonus. If it's at least entertaining, it'll be a good way to kill time and improve our Spanish while we wait for the next Alborada/LFMB/Eva.
And the longer you watch TNs, the more you feel as though you've seen it all before, because plots get recycled, and cliches are done to death - much like our daytime soaps in the US. You start feeling impatient, and sometimes you can even tell that the actors are feeling the same way.
Fortunately, there are things that can make a TN watchable even with a mediocre script or cliched story. You need to be on the lookout for those things if you want to keep enjoying TNs.
For example, when the actors are having a good time, it's more fun for me, too. Una Familia con Suerte wasn't the most brilliant story of all time, but the actors were obviously having a blast.
Before that, MEPS looked like it was going to be a cliche-ridden snoozefest, but it wasn't. Sure, the cliches were there. But Lucero really brought something unique as a villain, and it was fascinating to watch the new chemistry she had with Colunga in that kind of role.
(Sergio Sendel was in both of those, too - and he's an actor who makes his own fun if it isn't already built into the role.)
So, hang in there. Just when I was ready to throw in the towel, along came Por Ella Soy Eva. The good ones are worth waiting for!
Next, we'll see how Colunga does with comedy. That should be interesting. If the story's good, that will be a bonus. If it's at least entertaining, it'll be a good way to kill time and improve our Spanish while we wait for the next Alborada/LFMB/Eva.
So Julie, you're saying that this is a particularly good TN- as opposed to simply that you really like it. I have little to compare it to. Do other people feel that way? And if so, how come this page gets less than half the hits of the others?
You say there are things to look out for. Is there advice for how to judge if a TN will be good before you start watching it? What I have done is just replace one with another, so it has depended entirely on timing. Although I did have a good feeling I would enjoy this TN from its premise, so I overlapped for two weeks with La Que No Podia Amar.
And you talk about another comedy coming up with Colunga. Will that be soon? Will it be the replacement for PESE?
You say there are things to look out for. Is there advice for how to judge if a TN will be good before you start watching it? What I have done is just replace one with another, so it has depended entirely on timing. Although I did have a good feeling I would enjoy this TN from its premise, so I overlapped for two weeks with La Que No Podia Amar.
And you talk about another comedy coming up with Colunga. Will that be soon? Will it be the replacement for PESE?
Bill: For me I watch a TN for about a week. If it holds my attention and I am interested in the theme of the story, I watch. If it can't do that I bail. I did that with Corona de Lagrimas. It was a torrent of tears, very unwatchable, in my opinion. I do beleive the Colunga comedy will be replacing PESE when it ends it's run. I heard mixed reviews about it, but I always judge for myself cause what is one person's take on it, may not be mine. Colunga has always played very dramatic things but I've heard this comedy will be showcasing his funnier side. It's like Amores Verdaderos, I never knew that Eduardo Yanez could be so campy and the actors look like they are having a blast, and there is a lot of ad libbing going on. It is very funny for a drama.
I really like it AND I think this one is particularly good, yes. (Comedies are really not my favorite, but that has more to do with my sense of humor vs. Televisa's.)
As for why this page gets fewer than half the hits - I don't know and I don't care a whole lot. Familia didn't get a lot of hits either, but that didn't spoil my enjoyment of it.
I will hazard some guesses, though:
Some people don't like Jaime Camil. Some people are sick of Lucero. 8pm is a terrible timeslot. Some people thought the premise of this TN sounded weak. Some people were already hooked on another show at a different time and weren't willing to spend an additional 5 hours a week on this one. And lots of people complained about the sexism (perhaps not being interested in where the story was going with that).
So there are plenty of reasons people will choose one TN over the other, and while those reasons are valid and interesting, so are your reasons for watching whatever. Sometimes, for me, "it's on at a convenient time" is enough.
As far as things to look out for - I don't mean particular traits that guarantee quality or entertainment value. What I mean is to be aware of what you like. You already know some of this (for example, how do you pick English-language shows?), and you will discover more in time; but here are some things that people often mention in their likes vs. dislikes:
A rural vs. urban setting matters to some people. Are there horses? Airplanes? Cows? Skateboards? Cars? Robots? (No, I don't know of a robot one yet, but I'm keeping my eyes peeled.)
We care about (or love to hate) the characters and what they do. Are they rich or poor? Are there a lot of kids?
What's going on? War? Agriculture? People loafing by the pool? Crime? Fashion? (Crimes against fashion? Often, yes!) Business?
If the story centers around a business, is it an interesting business? A lot of us enjoyed the tequila stuff in Destilando and the dairy stuff in MEPS. (Not all business-oriented TNs actually get into the business, and even if they do, some people will feel as though they're watching an educational film at school, so if that's not your thing, skip it!)
Casting is a big deal for most of us. There is ONE guy that I'll watch in any TN, or at least give it a chance (he hasn't disappointed me yet). There's an older woman who can make even the dumbest dialogue sound convincing, and let me tell you, she's had her share of dumb dialogue. There are other people I can't stand the sight of (and it's not always for a rational reason, so I won't say who those people are).
There are the history/costume dramas, which some of us love and others hate. Ditto for the directors, and you'll know how people feel about them when their names come up in a new telenovela. :-)
Many of Televisa's TNs (including this one) are remakes, and what you know about the original (or other iterations - because some have been done many times), either directly or by its reputation, will influence your opinion.
Ultimately, though, you can't tell until you actually watch. They can surprise you. Querida Enemiga was very short and I'd never heard of anyone in it, and it turned out to be one of my favorites. (It was about chefs, and they actually talked about food.) STuD looked promising, but I ended up hating it A LOT.
I don't know much about the Colunga comedy, when it will be or how soon. I do remember, though, that Familia was advertised as "muy pronto" a few Aprils ago and then got yanked from the schedule till five months later. So I don't count on anything any more, schedule-wise!
As for why this page gets fewer than half the hits - I don't know and I don't care a whole lot. Familia didn't get a lot of hits either, but that didn't spoil my enjoyment of it.
I will hazard some guesses, though:
Some people don't like Jaime Camil. Some people are sick of Lucero. 8pm is a terrible timeslot. Some people thought the premise of this TN sounded weak. Some people were already hooked on another show at a different time and weren't willing to spend an additional 5 hours a week on this one. And lots of people complained about the sexism (perhaps not being interested in where the story was going with that).
So there are plenty of reasons people will choose one TN over the other, and while those reasons are valid and interesting, so are your reasons for watching whatever. Sometimes, for me, "it's on at a convenient time" is enough.
As far as things to look out for - I don't mean particular traits that guarantee quality or entertainment value. What I mean is to be aware of what you like. You already know some of this (for example, how do you pick English-language shows?), and you will discover more in time; but here are some things that people often mention in their likes vs. dislikes:
A rural vs. urban setting matters to some people. Are there horses? Airplanes? Cows? Skateboards? Cars? Robots? (No, I don't know of a robot one yet, but I'm keeping my eyes peeled.)
We care about (or love to hate) the characters and what they do. Are they rich or poor? Are there a lot of kids?
What's going on? War? Agriculture? People loafing by the pool? Crime? Fashion? (Crimes against fashion? Often, yes!) Business?
If the story centers around a business, is it an interesting business? A lot of us enjoyed the tequila stuff in Destilando and the dairy stuff in MEPS. (Not all business-oriented TNs actually get into the business, and even if they do, some people will feel as though they're watching an educational film at school, so if that's not your thing, skip it!)
Casting is a big deal for most of us. There is ONE guy that I'll watch in any TN, or at least give it a chance (he hasn't disappointed me yet). There's an older woman who can make even the dumbest dialogue sound convincing, and let me tell you, she's had her share of dumb dialogue. There are other people I can't stand the sight of (and it's not always for a rational reason, so I won't say who those people are).
There are the history/costume dramas, which some of us love and others hate. Ditto for the directors, and you'll know how people feel about them when their names come up in a new telenovela. :-)
Many of Televisa's TNs (including this one) are remakes, and what you know about the original (or other iterations - because some have been done many times), either directly or by its reputation, will influence your opinion.
Ultimately, though, you can't tell until you actually watch. They can surprise you. Querida Enemiga was very short and I'd never heard of anyone in it, and it turned out to be one of my favorites. (It was about chefs, and they actually talked about food.) STuD looked promising, but I ended up hating it A LOT.
I don't know much about the Colunga comedy, when it will be or how soon. I do remember, though, that Familia was advertised as "muy pronto" a few Aprils ago and then got yanked from the schedule till five months later. So I don't count on anything any more, schedule-wise!
Bill--Julie and Madelaine had many good pointers on picking a TN to enjoy.
Sometimes I wonder why there aren't more comments on PESE, too. It may be that it's well done and there's more to enjoy than to criticize.
IMO, the TNs that spark lots of comments are the ones that are over the top. They provide targets for snarky comments and creative word play, like a paintball game with witty zingers.
La Paloma
Sometimes I wonder why there aren't more comments on PESE, too. It may be that it's well done and there's more to enjoy than to criticize.
IMO, the TNs that spark lots of comments are the ones that are over the top. They provide targets for snarky comments and creative word play, like a paintball game with witty zingers.
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 27, 2013 at 10:37:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 27, 2013 at 10:37:00 PM EST
Well I didn't even know who Lucero and Jaime Camil were 13 months ago ...so I can neither dislike nor get sick of either one. But after seeing the two of them together in this novella, I started checking out their previous acting work and I liked what I saw.
For PESE, I'm with Julie. I don't know why it gets so few hits here and I don't really care. This novella has something that resonates with me.
I watched bits of Una Familia Con Suerte and Corona de Lagrimas and a few that are already on this site now and I can't get into them but might watch them once in awhile to help my spanish.
I like PESE because it addresses gender bias and double standards in the work place and working as a director in a male dominated engineering field, some of my female colleagues and I have been dealing with these things for most of the past 20 years. Although PESE is extreme and cliche'd like most novellas the office scenes, especially Helenas experiences, are not cliches. For example the male leadership stealing her ideas. Or her male peers talking over her and through her in meetings. And the scene where Helena got in trouble with Adri for writing up Santi for extreme insubordination was something that I witnessed only 5 years ago in the US...not Mexico. Our former Secretary of State, Madelaine Albright, related similar experiences when she was in office and it was from her peers in the US...not some member of the Taliban or some lunatic tyrant despot. I think it was in one of her bios, "Madam Secretary" but I'd have to double check the exact book...I read it so long ago.
However, I *do* want to laugh and be entertained along the way so the fact that this is a comedy makes it good. In real life ...humor keeps your sanity and keeps you looking on the bright side and despite the challenges, there is almost always a bright side. Gertie
For PESE, I'm with Julie. I don't know why it gets so few hits here and I don't really care. This novella has something that resonates with me.
I watched bits of Una Familia Con Suerte and Corona de Lagrimas and a few that are already on this site now and I can't get into them but might watch them once in awhile to help my spanish.
I like PESE because it addresses gender bias and double standards in the work place and working as a director in a male dominated engineering field, some of my female colleagues and I have been dealing with these things for most of the past 20 years. Although PESE is extreme and cliche'd like most novellas the office scenes, especially Helenas experiences, are not cliches. For example the male leadership stealing her ideas. Or her male peers talking over her and through her in meetings. And the scene where Helena got in trouble with Adri for writing up Santi for extreme insubordination was something that I witnessed only 5 years ago in the US...not Mexico. Our former Secretary of State, Madelaine Albright, related similar experiences when she was in office and it was from her peers in the US...not some member of the Taliban or some lunatic tyrant despot. I think it was in one of her bios, "Madam Secretary" but I'd have to double check the exact book...I read it so long ago.
However, I *do* want to laugh and be entertained along the way so the fact that this is a comedy makes it good. In real life ...humor keeps your sanity and keeps you looking on the bright side and despite the challenges, there is almost always a bright side. Gertie
Permalink posted by : Sunday, January 27, 2013 at 11:18:00 PM EST
: Sunday, January 27, 2013 at 11:18:00 PM EST
Thanks, everyone, for all the pointers. It's given me a lot to think about. I don't really care about the fewer hits here, either. I was curious why that is if people thought this TN was particularly good. I can understand complaining about the sexism, although I thought it was always clear where they were going with that. I do prefer commentaries on modern society, and the exploration of gender issues is fascinating if it's not overly cliched. And if you can do it with humor, all the better. I knew before it started I was going to like this show, as long as they didn't make the main character (Eva) a clown. I think it's a very interesting take on the idea of walking a mile in someone else's shoes. I hope my high expectations for resolution of the conflicts to feel genuine doesn't disappoint me.
Shuffle, shuffle. Soy Eva is too early for me in real time and I don't do TIVO, but when I do get home early I usually enjoy it and the recaps do make that much easier.
I have a very limited reading knowledge of Spanish and even more restricted "listening" knowledge (News in Slow Spanish anyone?) and would have a heck of a time making any sense out of the plot without the recaps.
Gracias a todos para el trabajo y el humor.
I have a very limited reading knowledge of Spanish and even more restricted "listening" knowledge (News in Slow Spanish anyone?) and would have a heck of a time making any sense out of the plot without the recaps.
Gracias a todos para el trabajo y el humor.
Permalink posted by : Monday, January 28, 2013 at 1:15:00 AM EST
: Monday, January 28, 2013 at 1:15:00 AM EST
Interesting discussion as we come into the final weeks of PESE. This is only my second telenovela. I watched LFMB online after starting PESE. As far as PESE, I was just channel surfing one day and ran into the promos for PESE and was hooked from the first episode. Since I have not cared for what I have seen on telenovela dramas in the past I loved the fact that it was a comedy.
Looking for more information on telenovelas, I ran into this site and that was just as important of a find as the telenovela. What a wonderful learning community you have put together here. It has really added to my enjoyment of PESE. Who else would I be able to discuss it with? And with LFMB both sets of recaps were a fantastic resource for all of those words you will never find in a dictionary.
Julie, I see that you mentioned Alborada as one of your faves. I may have to give that a look on YouTube one of these days. Even if it is a drama I do like historical dramas and it would be fun to see Lucero in another kind of role.
Gertie, you are so right about gender bias and double standards and those both being relevant to the U.S. workplace in the 21st century.
Having heard so many complimentary things about Colunga, I hope that his telenovela follows PESE so I can give that a try.
So much to watch and so little time . . . :)
Jarifa
Looking for more information on telenovelas, I ran into this site and that was just as important of a find as the telenovela. What a wonderful learning community you have put together here. It has really added to my enjoyment of PESE. Who else would I be able to discuss it with? And with LFMB both sets of recaps were a fantastic resource for all of those words you will never find in a dictionary.
Julie, I see that you mentioned Alborada as one of your faves. I may have to give that a look on YouTube one of these days. Even if it is a drama I do like historical dramas and it would be fun to see Lucero in another kind of role.
Gertie, you are so right about gender bias and double standards and those both being relevant to the U.S. workplace in the 21st century.
Having heard so many complimentary things about Colunga, I hope that his telenovela follows PESE so I can give that a try.
So much to watch and so little time . . . :)
Jarifa
Permalink posted by : Monday, January 28, 2013 at 7:49:00 AM EST
: Monday, January 28, 2013 at 7:49:00 AM EST
Ithabill- Everyone has already given you great answers. I'll just add that in the couple years I've been on this site and got hooked on tns (because of this site), it always seems like comedies get less comments. I have read lots of comments that people don't like the comedies because they can be over the top and corny, particularly Mexican comedies that tend to hit you over the head with the comedy, more so than say Colombian comedies. The comparison is often made because many of these comedies like Eva, Familia con Suerte, and La Fea Mas Bella are remakes of comedies first done in South America, where the comedy tends to be a bit more subtle than in Mexico.
The later shows, when people are home, have eaten dinner, and have settled in, tend to have more viewers and comments. Those also tend to be the dramas. 9pm used to be the sweet spot, when Uni was only showing tns from 7-10pm. But now there is a 4th hour, and the 9 and 10pm slots seems to be reserved for the most popular/high profile dramas. Dramas tend to draw more comments because there is either more material for snark, as was mentioned before, or because people become really invested in and passionate about the characters. For example, if you read the comments on Amor Bravio, there is lots of debate about the characters and their motivations. There isn't much to snark about that tn.
Some people really love the comedies and will only watch them. Some people hate the comedies. Some people love dramas, other hate them. Some people love the campy dramas, others hate them. Some people love the fairytale kind of tns, others hate them. Really, there is a different of tn for every taste. I like them all, as long as the writers keep the story interesting and don’t turn the characters stupid, and there are characters that I like and am rooting for.
The later shows, when people are home, have eaten dinner, and have settled in, tend to have more viewers and comments. Those also tend to be the dramas. 9pm used to be the sweet spot, when Uni was only showing tns from 7-10pm. But now there is a 4th hour, and the 9 and 10pm slots seems to be reserved for the most popular/high profile dramas. Dramas tend to draw more comments because there is either more material for snark, as was mentioned before, or because people become really invested in and passionate about the characters. For example, if you read the comments on Amor Bravio, there is lots of debate about the characters and their motivations. There isn't much to snark about that tn.
Some people really love the comedies and will only watch them. Some people hate the comedies. Some people love dramas, other hate them. Some people love the campy dramas, others hate them. Some people love the fairytale kind of tns, others hate them. Really, there is a different of tn for every taste. I like them all, as long as the writers keep the story interesting and don’t turn the characters stupid, and there are characters that I like and am rooting for.
I have not read all the comments for lack of time (but perused them quickly--busy day ahead), but I was wondering if anyone has seen the original telenovella, In Los Tacones de Eva (Columbian, a few years old) and how you feel the two compare.
I watched a couple of links on YouTube but not enough to give me a good basis for compaison. Seems to me that the original was much more serious than what the Mexican version has done--a good idea to lighten the mood, in light of the transvestite theme, in my opinion.
What do you all think?
And Julie, keep on writing. You made me laugh. Great recap and organization of the storyline.
Annick
I watched a couple of links on YouTube but not enough to give me a good basis for compaison. Seems to me that the original was much more serious than what the Mexican version has done--a good idea to lighten the mood, in light of the transvestite theme, in my opinion.
What do you all think?
And Julie, keep on writing. You made me laugh. Great recap and organization of the storyline.
Annick
I know nothing about the original Eva, and haven't looked into it for fear of spoiling the ending of PESE for myself; however, I would definitely be interested in finding out more when PESE is done. ("Be interested in" is not the same thing as doing, though; it's doubtful I could find time to watch it.)
I did, however, discover that the original (planned) title of Tacones de Eva was "Juan Sin Miedo" - "Fearless Juan." Interesting.
It also occurs to me, regarding why this TN isn't as popular on Caray, that some people are REALLY uncomfortable with stories that deal with gender identity. The very sight of a man in a dress upsets some people. And the chance that it might be handled in an insensitive way will upset other people. (I was a little concerned myself, but I had a feeling Jaime Camil would get it right.)
Anyway, gender identity is not even what the story is about. It's about gender relations, which is a different topic entirely.
I'll confess that I was also worried that it would be really ham-handed and that we'd get lectured a lot, which is a huge turnoff for most people. In fact, we do get lectured a lot, but it's done with humor, and there's a lot of "show, don't tell." I've definitely seen worse.
I'm also relieved that at least one storyline was resolved without a miracle. Silvia got divorced. I like a happy ending as much as the next person, but keeping her in an abusive relationship or having Eduardo just magically change for no clear reason would have sent the wrong message.
There, more words. But now lunch break is over. :-)
I did, however, discover that the original (planned) title of Tacones de Eva was "Juan Sin Miedo" - "Fearless Juan." Interesting.
It also occurs to me, regarding why this TN isn't as popular on Caray, that some people are REALLY uncomfortable with stories that deal with gender identity. The very sight of a man in a dress upsets some people. And the chance that it might be handled in an insensitive way will upset other people. (I was a little concerned myself, but I had a feeling Jaime Camil would get it right.)
Anyway, gender identity is not even what the story is about. It's about gender relations, which is a different topic entirely.
I'll confess that I was also worried that it would be really ham-handed and that we'd get lectured a lot, which is a huge turnoff for most people. In fact, we do get lectured a lot, but it's done with humor, and there's a lot of "show, don't tell." I've definitely seen worse.
I'm also relieved that at least one storyline was resolved without a miracle. Silvia got divorced. I like a happy ending as much as the next person, but keeping her in an abusive relationship or having Eduardo just magically change for no clear reason would have sent the wrong message.
There, more words. But now lunch break is over. :-)
Great recap, Julie -- thanks.
Bill, I think a lot of people don't watch comedies because of all the slang. They can be very hard to follow, and if you're sincerely trying to learn Spanish, straight dramatic dialogue is more useful. My first comedy was Familia, which I admit I started watching because, um, one of the characters reminded me of, um, someone. But I ended up really enjoying it -- and everyone needs to laugh!
I'm looking forward to the Colunga comedy. His ears are certainly funny enough. But as others have said, it's really hard to predict if you're going to like something until you've watched it for a while. It's a strange alchemy. And sometimes something that starts off poorly starts to gel around the middle, so you might want to give some of them another chance.
Bill, I think a lot of people don't watch comedies because of all the slang. They can be very hard to follow, and if you're sincerely trying to learn Spanish, straight dramatic dialogue is more useful. My first comedy was Familia, which I admit I started watching because, um, one of the characters reminded me of, um, someone. But I ended up really enjoying it -- and everyone needs to laugh!
I'm looking forward to the Colunga comedy. His ears are certainly funny enough. But as others have said, it's really hard to predict if you're going to like something until you've watched it for a while. It's a strange alchemy. And sometimes something that starts off poorly starts to gel around the middle, so you might want to give some of them another chance.
Permalink posted by : Monday, January 28, 2013 at 2:54:00 PM EST
: Monday, January 28, 2013 at 2:54:00 PM EST
I agree with a lot of what Julie said and I too am relieved that although there is some lecturing in this novella, it seems to be tempered by the humor. I'm also relieved that they wrote the story with Silvia getting the divorce rather than the miracle turnaround of Eduardo. I wanted that family to stay together because the two grand parents played a major role in raising that grandson.. But most of us know that a miracle turnaround would not have really happened after 30 years of abuse and no one should be treated the way Silvia was treated. Most folks do not take divorce casually, but it isn't that unusual for the divorced couple to lead healthier, happier lives after the divorce.
On the other topic, this role had to be a risk for Jaime Camil's career, and he not only pulled it off so well but he won some new fans in the US including me. Gertie
On the other topic, this role had to be a risk for Jaime Camil's career, and he not only pulled it off so well but he won some new fans in the US including me. Gertie
Permalink posted by : Monday, January 28, 2013 at 3:21:00 PM EST
: Monday, January 28, 2013 at 3:21:00 PM EST
Ditto to all the reasons everyone has said for why this show's recaps get fewer comments and reads. It was the same way for Llena de Amor, which I loved, and Una Familia con Suerte, which was also good. Different tastes, early time slot, comedies harder to follow for people learning the language.
I'm watching this show, but I'm so far behind that I rarely comment. But thanks for the recaps, everyone! I have been reading them, just not in real time.
I am glad that Sylvia moved on from her awful husband. She put up with too much for too long and I don't see how that history could be ignored even if he tried to act decent forevermore. He beat her so badly that the baby she was carrying died! How could she ever get past that? She shouldn't have tolerated him as long as she did and I think she'll be much happier now. I don't care whether he is ever happier or not.
I'm watching this show, but I'm so far behind that I rarely comment. But thanks for the recaps, everyone! I have been reading them, just not in real time.
I am glad that Sylvia moved on from her awful husband. She put up with too much for too long and I don't see how that history could be ignored even if he tried to act decent forevermore. He beat her so badly that the baby she was carrying died! How could she ever get past that? She shouldn't have tolerated him as long as she did and I think she'll be much happier now. I don't care whether he is ever happier or not.
Ah yes, the slang. I have a hard time understanding what's going on between Eva and Mimi, and between Rebeca and Onesimo. And who the heck understands Fernando?. So many words with so little meaning. There seems to be a lot of slang, and unfortunately I miss many of the jokes. I find I invariably understand Helena, Marcela, and Silvia. At least the physical comedy translates easily. The humor in PESE seems less goofy than the little I saw of Una Familia con Suerte. I was a little fascinated by it, though, because the tone seemed so different from other shows.
I think Modesto speaks beautifully, too. He just never says anything worth listening to.
Permalink posted by : Monday, January 28, 2013 at 7:26:00 PM EST
: Monday, January 28, 2013 at 7:26:00 PM EST
The great thing about LldA and UFCS was that they used a lot of the same slang repeatedly. Some of us went to some effort to note the stuff they said and researched what it meant and kept a list, and then when they said it again we got the thrill of understanding the obscure language, and eventually a lot of those phrases were old hat.
Here is the list we had for UFCS.
Here is the list we had for UFCS.
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