Caray, Caray!

Darn, that Teresa! That b-

Ugh, forced marriage with the Yucko!

Rafa just couldn't keep his rage in!

Hissadora is truly the wicked evil queen (as we clearly saw from her reflection in the mirror).

Dio strikes again! (& Gullible Gussie plays along...)

& poor Cami! Not being able to turn to anybody right now. Maybe Dr. Phil can help?

~ posted by not-a-dan-fan






 

I still say Teresa was right.

But I just had a thought. What if New Girl is there to get hit by the virus? Not like Pablo would look at her as an amante so she may be doomed. Run, new girl, run!

Kelly
 

great recap PDB. Kelly/Anon- Me too. I think Teresa are the eyes of a blind Camilla. It's just that Teresa is doing it "in your face".I wonder why after the good job of investigating for Daniel, her character is being turned into a witch er bitch.I've noticed the switch since Mariano's daughter started saying she does not like her at all.BYW please count me as a member of the DA mourners team.I was running late reading the recaps last Monday and I saw the mention of the DA's last episode. Sorry I too have to mention it here.
 

BTW, sorry for the typo.
 

Vida, what are you talking about?

Good stuff, Paquita. This was a difficult episode.

El Diablo is really naive about how relationships work. How can he expect Iag-ho to marry Natalia and spend the rest of his life pretending to love her? Sure, he recognizes a player when he sees one, but this is much too difficult an act to pull off. He can barely conceal his contempt for Augustina and he expects this much younger and less experienced guy to do it?

Camila looks like she's spiraling down into depression. This is not going anywhere good.
 

Thank you, Paquita. What a great summary, with all the right touches! I liked your description of Daniel grabbing Dio by his "ample lapels." Daniel's frustration in that scene, with the smug if ever-inept evil one, captured for me the general desperation of so many of our good guys right now.

I am not crazy about the way that the Rafa-Vivi proposal is being depicted. Granted that her history makes it difficult to love, but why should a marriage proposal after only a few months of a relationship, be something to jump at. I know I'm mixing up fantasy and reality, but Vivi has been a symbol of smart thinking even in her sadness and fear surrounding Bruno, and now she's being portrayed as the problem person when Rafa's impetuousness and impulsiveness seems equally problematic. They are a darling couple, right up there with Luzma and Pablo, but this storyline is a bit problematic for me, anyway.


 

Paquita- You handled all these emotional scenes with grace and humor. Many thanks.

So much going on in all the characters' lives!

Teresa: I don't think Teresa has suddenly turned into a bad person. She has always had a streak of determination and stubbornness. I think it makes her great at digging out the truth and being a good lawyer. She's decided that Mariano will be hers and she's doing everything she can to get him. However, I don't think she'll suddenly start plotting with the evil people to get her way. She's just going to do all she can (but nothing evil or illegal), to get the man she wants.

However, she is being a b!tch to Camila. I don't give a damn if Teresa wants Mariano. Go for it girl. But she has no biz meddling in Cam and Mariano's friendship. I don't care if Mariano is in love with Cam. They already had an established friendship, and how Mariano and Camila choose to navigate the fact that he also has romantic feelings for her is THEIR business-- not Teresa's. That's their drama. Not hers. She's not Mariano's girlfriend, so she has no say. Camila and Mariano are both leaning on each other right now-- he for support over his mom and other family drama (and no, he doesn't feel close enough to Teresa to lean on her in the same way), and she for support over the Dan-Miriam drama. They are supporting each other; it's not a one way street.

Vivi-Rafa: Traveling Lady, ITA. But I think last episode Aaron gave Rafa wise advice about being patient. It didn't seem to me that he was laying all the responsibility/blame on Vivi. When speaking to Rafa, he gives Rafa wise advice about giving Vivi time. When speaking with Vivi, he gives her advice about breaking through her hang-ups and fears. He'll probably have another talk with Rafa and tell him what a stubborn dope he's being.

Urban: I worry about Camila's state of mind too-- when she said she would be left all alone again (like after Luis died). Add to this that she may start to distance herself from Mariano after Teresa's talk, and may not talk to Vivi and Rafa once she realizes how many problems they're having right now too. I just think it makes for a bad situation where she feels isolated and unable to confide in/lean on anyone, just when Dio plans to wipe out her livelihood too. I'm not liking where this is going.

 

A few clarifications--

Cayetano had just woken up from a siesta (nap), which he said he NEVER usually does (effects of Isa's drugs). I was surprised that he had that great moment of lucidity and asked Isa about her motivations for being with him. But alas, she wriggled out of it. She'll probably start doubling her dose of befuddling potion.

Luzma offered that Rocio live with them in the Aculco house just until all the modifications and furnishings at Mariano's house are complete (so that Mar doesn't have to worry so much about the timing of everything). It's not forever. But it's still a very noble offer considering Rocio's treatment of her.

 

Thanks for the recap. I slept through a whole lot of the episode last night apparently. I will be sure to get it on the DVR tonight, so I don't miss the possible ending of the "sister wives" story. Not being a TN regular, that story has been going on too long for me, to the point where I muted part of last night. I just could not take any more Camila emotion and Miriam gushing. I miss the old Dan too. Apparently, though, the old Dan must have surfaced while I was asleep last night. I wish I had seen him grab Dio.
The Nat/Yago story is sad. Just more hurt in store for Nat now. Gee thanks, Dad.

Cindy
 

Cindy- ITA that this phase is hard to watch. But it wasn't like the writers weren't giving us fair warning that a long painful stretch was coming when they gave us such a long period of Cam and Dan being happy together as the Miriam anvil swung over their clueless heads. :)
 

Thank you, Paquita. I, too, loved your "ample lapels" line as it said it all! :)

I mentioned earlier that this portion of these stories...when everything seems to go even more downhill than before...is sometimes too much to take because it seems to drag on until the very last episodes and then, BAM! all is resolved.

I still can't get used to that style of writing a story.

I'm pretty sure that if I were in Camila's place right now, I know I would be trusting very few people. We still have to deal with the doctor telling Dan and Miriam more lies. At this rate, the truth will never be told. I still think that there can be a good story line with truth telling and not dragging out the truth until the very end. Oh well...

Fatima
 

Brava Paquita! Great recap. So much detail, and you covered it with great observations. I can just barely make out a news broadcast in Spanish, but all this emotional dialog is a little over my head. Sometimes I get the whole point of a convo at 180°, so your careful and complete recap is much appreciated here.

This whole thing with Aaron as spiritual advisor-unfrocked pastor-uncertified shrink has me a bit squirmy. I'm not much of an Aaron fan. Nice guy, but way too sexless and Meh! for me. (ducks for cover) I would worry about the future of a relationship that had a go-to brother as marriage counselor. I loved your Dr. Phil comparison. I've never seen Dr. Phil, but now I get it.

They were smart to move the camera away for at least half of Rocio's scenes. I hate to watch an actor struggle with the effects of stroke. Not an easy thing to do the half-face muscle movements. She tried, but the effect was distracting from the acting.

I also got nervous when Dan was tossing that baby around like that.

"Mission: Dope the Bulls" LOL

Cayetonto was so stupid to spill his concern to Hiss. He shoulda kept his own counsel and investigated behind the scenes. Now she's on the alert and can play the indignation card.

Thanks again—AgnesNJ
 

Cayetonto is too besotted with Black Widow Lazcano and too drugged by her to realize that if there is any chance that Mariano's information is correct he is signing his own death warrant.

I agree that Aaron is too sexless. This is an abnormal condition for any male novela character under the age of 70. Why doesn't he just enter a seminary?
 

Thanks Paquita, great job as usual.

I can't believe Yago bowing down to Dion so quickly and easily. I was hoping he would still defy him. I hope something still happens with this situation and they don't get married. The possibilities are Nat finds out the truth, Yago hightails it out of town right before the wedding, or Yago marries Ileana instead. Any will do.
 

I am decidedly against single motherhood, but that would be preferable to being married to this patan.
 

Nat could always pick up with Rodolfo.
 

I'm at the point where I think Rodolfo deserves someone a bit more mature in her attitude and who doesn't play games.
 

Thanks, Paquita, great recap. You give us many reasons to smile even as the episode does not.

As much as I dislike Yago, I felt very sorry for him last night. Some very good acting that was almost embarrassing to watch and then later with Natalia and Amanda he seemed utterly defeated.

Mariano was embarrassing to watch on an entirely different level...and then there was poor Cayetano...

I'm sticking by my lonely premise that Vivi is reluctant because though she loves Rafael, she is actually in love with Aarón...time will tell.

Can they make Miriam any more adorable? Yikes.

Carlos

 

Tks Paquita,

Daniel would need several more suitcases if he took all his charro suits.

It would be poetic justice if Dionicio got infected by the virus but I guess it's too soon for that. I guess it could wipe out the entire Malquierida, man & beast.

Cathyx, not too smart to defy someone with guns. Just hope the wedding doesn't go through, but I think Dio will hurry it along.
 

Why does Miriam think the whole world was just sitting and waiting by her bedside for her to wake up? I guess it's one thing to think your husband and brother would do so, but Dante? C'mon, now.

Why is Miriam just busting into Camila's cabin? More importantly, why hasn't Camila learned to LOCK THE DOOR?

Mariano SAW that Camila didn't seem right when he bumped into her and Teresa* in the hospital hallway. Why did it take Pablo saying she didn't seem right for Mariano to say "Hmm, Camila didn't seem right." ?

Ok, I can "understand" being gleeful to get rid of Daniel & the Chile Crew, but wishing to get rid of Pablo & Luzma? Augustina's so kind to Piedad, I wonder how Piedad would feel if she knew Augustina did not want her daughter living in the big house.

Rocio will have another stroke when she finds out she will be living with that muchachita Luzma. Hopefully she'll learn that Luzma is a good person and a good partner for Pablo, and that Rocio was wrong for being prejudiced against her.

At this point Miriam should be seriously questioning why:

Camila's always crying

Daniel & Camila are fighting

Daniel is hemming Dionicio up on the wall

Augustina wants to get rid of them so badly

Everyone looks so shifty when she shows up

the little girl said Daniel was Camila's husband, and why the pregnant girl claimed the little girl was mistaken

Daniel is so emotionally attached to the (formerly) pregnant girl

I wonder if Miriam's shooting/Daniel's arrest made the Santiago papers? Because if so, it would answer a lot of Miriam's questions and get her brain cells jogging.





 

Here’s my theory about the Camila-Dan situation—they would still be in the same emotional turmoil even if Miriam’s health weren’t an issue and they told her the truth. The real problem is not this (fake) risk to her health. The real problem is that she’s alive and neither Camila or Dan know how to handle that.

Even though Dan is clear on being in love with Camila, he’s also very aware that had outside forces not intervened, he would still be happily married to and in love with Miriam. Plus, he still loves her (even if it’s now a slightly different kind of love). He has mentioned this confusion about his feelings many times to a few people. He’s telling Camila he is 100% committed to her, but he’s saying and doing something else. I don’t think he really knows what he wants, or what he SHOULD want. Miriam’s health is a convenient excuse to not have to think about what the real issue is.

For Camila the real issue is not the charade (although it kills her to have to act like everything is hunky dory). The real issue, which she has said to Dan and Vivi, is that she is not convinced that Dan is 100% committed to her and no longer in love with Miriam. She is also very aware that outside forces are the only reasons why Dan isn’t happily with Miriam and his child now. As she said, he was just as in love with Miriam and swore the same things to her when he married her, as he did with Camila. Logically, it makes sense that he would still be in love with Miriam, or have some deep lingering feelings. This is what is making her so anxious and sad, and yes, mad at Dan.

 

@ViviDC, ITA about"The real problem is not this (fake) risk to her health. The real problem is that she’s alive and neither Camila or Dan know how to handle that. " You nailed that one.

And I suddenly had the idea that Yago, as much as we detest this hapless jerk, will take the bull by the horns and redeem himself somehow. Despite being forced to bow to Dion's heavy handed tactics, methinks he might have some heroic defiance going on that could win the day.
 

Paquita - thanks for the recap. I know you would never consider Rodolfo second to anyone.

It was sad to see Nat so happy for big LIE. I hope the truth comes out before the wedding. ITA w/UA that Nat may not be mature enough for Rodolfo; and we don't want to see him as Nat's fallback.

TL - ITA w/you about Rafa's behavior. He needs to listen to his brother and be patient. After being in an abusive marriage as Vivi was, she may need some real therapy to overcome this fear and not just the love of a good man.

Though Teresa was did cross the line w/Cam, Mariano has crossed the line as well. He can conveniently do all the things a suitor would do under the guise of friendship. He is only playing the friendship game to be close to her because prior to the Miriam is alive debacle, he couldn't be anywhere near her.

I don't see Aaron as sexless. He seems more like a character who will be focused on his work passionately until comes along to ignite his passion.
 

Anon207, an excellent puzzle you present with that list of facts (the pieces). As to the hypothetical newspaper story, I'm sure Abe would have kept that from her. She was in a coma for at least six months, so the story would have died down in the news and I'm sure he got the doctors in the hospital to say nothing about it being in the papers.

Which wouldn't have been Miriam's first thought when she regained consciousness.

Good point about Piedad, but it's certainly not implausible to see how Augustina could be kind to her... as long as she stays in her place. Piedad's status changes -- in theory -- now that Luzma is married to Pablo.

Pablo is now Camila's cousin and therefore not only is he therefore taking away part of Camila's inheritance, he is taking away part of her affection. While Augustina is hardly in the same class as Carlota from ENDA she is almost as loath to share Camila's affection with anyone else.

Augustina also was uncomfortable from the beginning with Camila's passion for Daniel because that not only takes away from her image of Camila as a "good girl" (because he was "el choffer") it takes her attention away from her. When Daniel's true identity as an educated professional and non-relative became known that didn't change anything.

She also doesn't cut Daniel any slack about not knowing that Miriam was alive. I am wondering how much of that came from El Diablo or whether she would have thought this way anyway.
 

Few thoughts before reading the recap and comments.

Felt bad for Cam during her convo with Miriam. Miriam wanting to be friends and Cam forced to lie to her.

However, not happy with Cam and her crying on Mariano’s shoulder. This really bothers me. She has Vivi and Padre Anselmo and, to some extent Luz, who she can weep/talk with. I just don’t think it’s right that she uses Mariano for that when she knows how he feels about her.

Miriam is pretty smart. Why isn’t she getting it that the only time her husband is animated in her presence is when she has Agatha with her. Agatha gets most of the affection and “happy to see you” faces. By now, if Dan was really in love with Miriam, he would have gotten over his “shock” at seeing her alive again and would be very loving and affectionate with her.

Nanette
 

Thank you Jar, Urban & Paquita for your excellent and entertaining recap.

Vivi – Exactly! The problem is not fake health OR the lying but is how to deal with the return of the undead – MIRIAM –

It is a good move for Dan to attempt reliving his live with wife and child as intended post coma. In doing so, they both could then realize they’ve move on and the feelings are no longer there.

If Dan had chosen Cam without attempting it first with Miriam – neither he nor she would ever be comfortable and at peace with that decision.

Also, no matter the outcome, I’d like when Dan finally sees the light and realizes that Cam is his future; that he goes to her knowing he no longer has a life with Miriam and will always be part of his daughter’s life but not because Miriam is dying and giving them permission as her last dying wish …

Myo-

 

When Dan was throwing the baby up in the air, all I imagined was her nervous mother on the other side of the camera clutching her heart. But CdlF looks like he's pretty comfortable with babies (he has a little girl himself), and I was impressed by how deftly he removed that bulky one piece jumper from a squirmy baby as he held her with one hand. That took skill. I don’t think that was scripted, since it's not like Miriam had just walked inside with the baby. CdlF just seemed to know instinctively that the baby would be hot, and said so and did something about it without stopping the scene.
 

Now a few thoughts on the match ups.

I don’t see the chemistry between Teresa and Mariano. I like Teresa’s honest approach, but don’t like that she might want Mariano more for her baby daddy than because he’s the love that got away. I do see chemistry between Mariano and Miriam. I agree with UA that they don’t have much in common, but she could learn to love living on a ranch. I’m sure that’s happened in real life and I know it happens in fiction. I see chemistry between Dante and Teresa so I’m for a Mariano/Miriam and Dante/Teresa hookup.

I’m tentatively for a Rodolfo/NG hookup. It depends on whether I see any chemistry between them, once they meet, and how they react to each other. I don’t like Iago and, even though he isn’t evil, it’s doubtful that he’ll reform. But what if his having to “act as if” he’s in love with Nat has him actually falling in love with her? If that doesn’t happen, then I think I’d like to see Nat alone, raising her baby with the awesome support system she has and maybe someone turning up for her in the Fin ep (like what happened with Gardenia in MEPS). I like her chemistry with Aaron, but would rather see him with Vivi. However, I believe he’s meant to be the kindly bachelor uncle to the next generation.

I think Agustina might bite the dust. But if she doesn’t, she finally learns her lesson and becomes the perfect mother and grandmother without a man at her side. Or a reformed Francisco shows up and they hookup again. After all, didn’t she mention once that the sex was good ;)
 

I think Isa is going to have to die. If Leo can escape from prison (which we're all assuming he will), then you know far cleverer Isa would find it a piece of cake and our people would not be safe.
 

Augistina has a problem with the bogus pensions, her name is on them, not Dionicio's.
 

Major Anvils/Pending Issues in the final 38 episodes:
- Gussy has a huge anvil hanging which will come crashing down when she learns the truth about Dio and the retirement/insurance scam (possible jail time for her). She will have to make amends to Camila, Dan, and others for not believing them about Dio and acting like a jerk to them.
- Dan, Camila and Miriam have to resolve who they really love and want to have a future with (regardless of health issues or their past history).
- Rocio’s anvil has already hit her big time with her estrangement from her sons, her divorce, and her stroke. Now she needs to make amends to the people she hurt and insulted (primarily Luzma).
- Luzma has the Leo anvil hanging over her—due both to a possible future prison break, and her current emotional issues due to the rape and loss of the baby.
- Camila has the virus issue—which could wipe out her herd, her livelihood, and her ability to hold on to the ranch and keep everyone employed. Her mom getting busted for the above scam is also a huge anvil for Camila.
- Natalia will have to learn the cold hard truth about Yago (his feelings for her and his motivation for marriage), and learn to accept being a single mother. Nat also has to accept the cold hard truth about her criminal papa.
- Cayetano will have to learn who the real Isadora is—hopefully she won’t steal his hacienda and/or kill him first. Then he will have to make amends to Mariano, Pablo, Camila, Rocio, and anyone else who tried to warn him.
- And of course, the law has to finally catch up with Isa and Dio (murder, attempted murder, fraud).

Lesser Issues: The love lives of Mariano, Teresa, Dante, Rodolfo, Vivi, and Rafa—they’ll figure it out eventually.

 

Thank you, Paquita. Love your injections like (upchuck). Also, love the term The Help.

Vivi- I was thinking exactly like you about the poor mom of that baby while Dan was throwing her in the air! We must have all been collectively holding our breaths.

How sweet of Luzma to offer for Rocio to stay with them. Now let's see how she responds.

I hope Pablo finds a way to fit in another Luna de Miel for them. They still have to have that first wedding night. Let's hope it isn't with Rocio in the house.

Like some of you were stating last week, Miriam's joy and upbeat attitude is too much in the face of what is right there in front of her. She had to have seen Dan and Dio getting physical. Dale Carnegie Optimism Courses can only go so far.

In the avances, looks like Dan actually has a disgusted look on his face. I hope it's not AT Camila, but because he's leaving her.
 

Hopefully they aren't slowing down the pace to take care of all those anvils during the last week. That would so disappointing.

Witness for Teresa's defense: She's being protective of her friend. If she knew that it was a mutual friendship from both Camila and Mariano, I doubt she'd be bothered. But she sees that her friend may get hurt and wants to prevent that. And yes, she also wants to sleep with him. But if she thought that Camila was returning his affection, she'd be sad and back off. She's not evil. (Plus she has Dante nearby and he'd be an outstanding sperm donor for the child she desperately wants).

Has Leonicio gotten up to letter I yet? I'd like to see him take down Isidora pronto before she kills Caye. Mariano really has enough problems.

Kelly
 

On a side note, I caught a few minutes of a couple episodes of Que Bonito Amor. Based on those snippets, I think "Meh". Maybe because of the fake tears. Maybe because as good an actor as Jorge Salinas is, he's a teensy bit, um, mature. Or does he always have it written into his contracts that his leading lady must be 20 years younger? Or maybe because I also used to catch bits of La Hija del Mariachi which looked much better.

May have to give these a rest after AB and see what else is coming down the line if the reviews out of Mexico on QBA aren't better. Plus I'll want to bask in whatever fate has in store for Hissadora and Dio.

Kelly
 

No way is Francisco going to reform. He messed up royally twice and did not appear to have one twinge of conscience about it.

He's also scared to death of Hissadora.

How ironic will it be when Luzma takes care of Rocio? I can just see Ileana making nasty remarks about Luzma doing the dirty work.

El Diablo is probably going to lower the boom on Augustina fairly soon to time it along with the death of Camila's herd.


 

Teresa and Mariano are not friends. They haven't seen or spoken to each other in over a decade. They are old acquaintances getting reacquainted. Mariano and Camila ARE friends, who also happen to have their drama because he has romantic feelings for her. As someone mentioned last week, almost all male-female friendships go through a phase when one feels something that the other does not (I raise my hand for having been there, done that). That doesn’t mean that some outsider has the right to butt in and tell them how to manage their friendship. Teresa’s doing it for her own self interest, not because she cares so deeply about Mariano’s feelings. I’m not buying that for a second.

I think it’s good that Camila remain aware of how her actions might be affecting Mariano, so for that reason I don’t mind that Teresa brought it to her attention again. But I don’t think Teresa has the right to tell Camila to stay away from Mariano, and I think Camila has the right to turn to her friend when she needs him, and to do the same when he needs her. That’s the core of friendship, and the rest of the drama (who’s in love whom) is just background noise.

 

So Vivi, you're not concerned about an attraction between Mayela and Pablo anymore? They both seem so pure and innocent that I would guess now that they're doomed to fall in love.

Carlos
 

Carlos- Nope. I've never thought that Pablo would stray. I just hate anyone who might make Luzma cry. And if she thinks Pablo and NG have a thing that might make her cry. In any case, since NG helped Luzma, I've liked her. I just want her to not keep making moon eyes at a married man.
 

Vivi, I thought that there had been a previous romantic relationship between Teresa and Mariano and that she dumped him to pursue her career... at the very least, I think that is what she believes.

Carlos
 

OK, Vivi, if you trust Pablo and Mayela...I'll trust Pablo and Mayela.

Carlos
 

Being old novios from many years ago in college, who didn't keep in touch, and didn't end on the best of terms, does not make Mariano and Teresa friends or give her dibs on him. I certainly wouldn't call my ex from college my "friend" or barge into his life thinking I had some claim on him, and we've been Facebook "friends" for a few years now!
 

Carlos- Pablo makes me think of that song "If you don't know me by now." That kid has been so steadfast and loyal that the writers would have to be smoking AND drinking something to give him a personality transplant and have him betray Luzma in any way at this point. ;)
 

Paquita: This cracks me up every time: “Rodolfo*sigh*”. And your “(Oh, come to mama, Rodolfo, I’ll take care of you!)” Thanks for the recap. The dialogue translations are truly helpful. I, too, was a little apprehensive with the baby toss. It did look like he wasn’t throwing her completely out of his hands, though and someone mentioned he had a little girl of his own, so he knows what he’s doing. Whew!!

Aaron gave Vivi good advice. However, I think it was a bit simplistic for such a complicated situation.

Here’s hoping Luz taking care of Rocio will melt her heart.

Kelly: “Run, new girl, run!”—cracked me up.

Vivi: I’m going to be in the minority on this one, but I do not like Cam leaning on Mariano or vice versa for that matter. It is not a good idea.

UA: “I'm at the point where I think Rodolfo deserves someone a bit more mature in her attitude and who doesn't play games.”—I agree with you 100%.

Anon207: “Daniel is so emotionally attached to the (formerly) pregnant girl.”—one of the reasons I thought Miriam should get a clue in my previous comment that I forgot to mention. Thanks.

Vivi: Love you take on the whole Dan/Cam situation. I totally agree it’s much more than not being able to tell Miriam because of her health.

Also thought Iago might just disappear instead of following through with Dio’s plan. He still has time. Take Ileana with you.

Karen: I see you agree with me re: the Cam/Mariano situation. I also like your take on Aaron.

UA: I also wonder how much Dio has influenced Agustina. I agree that she doesn’t seem to want to share Camilla with anyone.

Renata: “If Dan had chosen Cam without attempting it first with Miriam – neither he nor she would ever be comfortable and at peace with that decision.

Also, no matter the outcome, I’d like when Dan finally sees the light and realizes that Cam is his future; that he goes to her knowing he no longer has a life with Miriam and will always be part of his daughter’s life but not because Miriam is dying and giving them permission as her last dying wish … “—agree with you.

UA: re: Francisco. Never say never, but I really did comment on that with tongue firmly in cheek,☺

Vivi: agree with you that at this point in the story, it would be completely off the map, if Pablo strayed from Luz. They’ve been through far worse and have only gotten stronger.
 

Paquita, thank you so much for a prompt, accurate, and above all, entertaining recap! I really enjoyed it.

Teresa’s actions are not going to get her what she wants. Mariano not only is not that into her, he also has a very full plate at the moment. I don’t think he would be interested in rekindling a relationship with her or anyone right now, no matter what. I don’t think she is evil or wrong to want Camila out of the way, just inappropriately competitive. ITA, Vivi, that her motive is self-interest, not concern for Mariano.

Camila has shut the door on Daniel. The fact that he knocked on her cabana door when even as her chofer he would barge right in tells us how clearly he has gotten her message.

I still say Camila made a huge mistake when she told him she wasn’t going to sleep with him anymore. Since then, she has cut him off from all intimacy, and not very many relationships are going to survive that. I realize she is doing it to protect herself, but she wouldn’t be so afraid of being hurt if she trusted him and their love. She doesn’t, so she is cutting him off. She would rather preemptively hurt him than wait for him to hurt her. I so wanted her to tell Dan that his actions speak louder than his words. He may be telling her he will never abandon her and he loves her, but he isn’t doing anything to separate himself from Miriam, just the opposite, and he has been using her health as an excuse all along. I wouldn’t be trusting him at this point, either.

I can understand that Rafa’s feelings and pride are hurt, but I totally agree that a woman shouldn’t jump on every marriage proposal that comes along. I don’t see Vivi as being portrayed as the problem person necessarily, though. I see her as being strong in the face of a lot of societal pressure to conform, and so far she is holding her ground. I just wish that she had not accepted the ring if she wasn’t accepting the proposal. That seems self-contradictory.

Natalia, on the other hand, is a fool. Talk about a woman who shouldn’t jump on a marriage proposal. And I think the Rodolfo ship has sailed on past her, though it could reverse course by the time we wrap things up.

When Dio was handling that vial I was silently screaming “put that down and go and wash your hands!” but then I realized how nice it would be if he were to be tripped up by his own bull sh!t, er, virus. However, I think it will be one of the good guys who gets sick, or maybe more than one. Remember how Rodolfo recently told Dan that he and any of the muchachos would give their lives for Camila. Well, that may be what happens to him or one of them.

Anon207, ITA with you today. Miriam has been totally clueless about everything, which I don’t happen to find adorable. I don’t care what kind of relationship she had with Dan before her coma, I would stop with the pawing, cloying, non-stop lovey dovey crap very quickly if my husband cringed every time I did it. I have also been wondering when she is going to see Dan’s new scar from the bullet hole in his tummy and what she is going to think about that. If she is supposed to be so smart and perceptive, when are we going to see her actually string a few thoughts together?

I am not at all seeing Aaron as sexless, either. I think he is just the type that won’t date just to pass the time; he only gets involved when he is serious. And he is far, far too much of a free spirit to sign up for the constrictions of the Catholic church. I also see him as a kindly uncle, at least until the right girl comes along.

 

Augustina's glee at Dan/Miriam leaving and her snarky remarks to them and about them has me convinced that El Diablo has HER convinced that Daniel is the one responsible for the attempt at Miriam's life (she never believed otherwise). I'm thinking that Gussie thinks Dan deserves everything he's getting and that Camila will simply 'get over him' - not realizing (or wanting to see) how badly her daughter is hurting. It's all about narcissistic Gussie, after all. Dio knows this and constantly feeds into it, pulling all her strings. I see Gussie as his títere (puppet) and he's the puppeteer.
Soyyo
 

Carolina- "She would rather preemptively hurt him than wait for him to hurt her. I so wanted her to tell Dan that his actions speak louder than his words. He may be telling her he will never abandon her and he loves her, but he isn’t doing anything to separate himself from Miriam, just the opposite, and he has been using her health as an excuse all along." ITA. I think this perfectly describes what Camila and Dan are doing, even if they aren't aware of it themselves.


 

Carolina: I think Cam not sleeping with Dan has more to do with not wanting to be having an affair with a married man, than not wanting to be hurt--though that surely is part of it.
 

Nanette- I agree that the not sleeping with him thing (physical intimacy) really is about not wanting to feel like the other woman as he sneaks in and out of her bed. The emotional intimacy shut-off is about not wanting to be hurt.
 

Camila is protecting herself, she doesn't want to be a fool. She can't be entirely sure that Daniel is not getting it on with Miriam. Plus Miriam has the extra advantage of the bebe Agatha.
 

Carolina: about Miriam "...when are we going to see her actually string a few thoughts together? " You're so right. They'e painted her as a clueless idiot, which surely she isn't. This has taken the most beanie-action for me.

and Nanette: ITSA "I think Cam not sleeping with Dan has more to do with not wanting to be having an affair with a married man, than not wanting to be hurt--though that surely is part of it." I think in some ways it shows her strength of character. She thinks she is a victim of fate here, not the machinations of Miriam or of Dan, or god-forbid of the adorable criatura. She is, however, the victim of Dionisio's yet-to-be-revealed and soon-to-be-augmented evil-doing.

It's gonna be raining anvils soon. I can't wait.—AgnesNJ

 

Nanette, We've been over this before (maybe not with you specifically) and I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I think her stopping sleeping with Dan was more of the lack of a will to fight for him. Both women had claim to Dan as her husband. This is not a standard sleep with a married man situation. However, right at the start, Camila withdrew sexual intimacy and took the position that Miriam was the true wife. That is a weak and defeatist position and a very poor strategy. In retrospect, I see it as evidence that she never was all that sure of herself and her relationship with Dan. She caved much too quickly.

If she had really wanted to fight for Dan, she would have framed the argument more favorably for herself, that she was at least equally entitled to claim him as her husband. He had he told her she was his future and his wife, not lover or girlfriend. I would never deliberately have an affair with a married man, but if a man told me that and I had gone through a wedding ceremony with him, even if it turned out his old wife was still alive, I would not have any problem with continuing to sleep with him.

Now that she has cut off all intimacy with him, it has become a way to protect herself.
 

"...when are we going to see her actually string a few thoughts together? "

Haven't we seen her do this a few times already? A few times in the bedroom with Dan, alone with Abe or Dante, and at the dining table with Dante and Abe. In front of the MQ folks, she doesn't question-- she plays the gracious guest (and I don't think she's being fake). It seems that her hurry to get them out of MQ is in part because of Gussy's attitude, but in large part because she feels that by getting him alone, she'll get "her" Dan back. She doesn't yet know WHY all the MQ people have such a hold over Dan, but she knows that they do, and I don't think she likes it.

She should be questioning Dan more strongly about how he created such deep ties/bonds with these people in such a short amount of time.
 

Vivi, I think Miriam should be questioning a lot of things more strongly. She has made a few observations and has had a gut feeling that something is amiss, but she really hasn't put 2+2 together.
 

Carolina: Yes, we've had this dicussion. We respectfully disagree with each other on this point. I feel like Miriam is Dan's legal wife and it is not her fault that she's now the actual other woman. Bluntly, Cam would be having an affair with a married man whose wife is the mother of his child and is not well. It's not that I don't understand where you're coming from and I don't completely disagree with you, it's just that I see Cam making her decision based on those facts.

I so enjoy your comments, even when we do disagree. :)
 

Likewise, Nanette. :) I do understand that we are meant to see Camila as noble and not the street-fighter with the take no prisoners attitude that I and many other women would be in real life. She has been so strong up until now; I can't help it that I am disappointed.


 

Carolina: re Miriam and her cluelessness – don’t get me started there … I don’t care how happy she was when she got off the taxicab, am I to believe that Miriam did not see/notice that Dan was holding Cam’s hand; then you have Dan always nervous when he’s around Cam and Cam has been MIA since Miriam has been around.

Cam has been very uncomfortable around her, always running out and not able to maintain eye contact. And as someone says, it’s been a few days since her arrival, by now Dan should have gotten over his shock. Instead he has been gradually more abrupt with her, he’s only happy when Agatha is nearby and he’s been dodging the bedding issue.

I don’t know if it’s cluelessness or overconfident in the fact that Dan’s love for her is indestructible and once she gets him off LMQ, Dan will behave like her Dan pre coma – but at this point, she’s getting on my last nerve … and,

I also find her very dense when Dante was telling her about his “amor prohibido”. Dante and Dan are supposedly very tight, so Miriam would have known if Dante had a good/best friend other than Dan. If she was so perceptive, wouldn’t she at least be somewhat puzzled about his supposed forbidden love?

Myo-

 

Vivi, I agree with you about Miriam. She has no reason to think the chain of events are any different than her brother told her. She's very close to him and it wouldn't occur to her that he lied to her. She knows she's been in a coma for 6 months, and that is a long enough time for her husband to grow away from her a bit. So that would explain the reason Dan's a bit distant from her. Also, he's alluded to the fact that a lot has happened while he's been in Mexico, so that would explain why he's preoccupied with Malquerida. But that's not to say she isn't noticing small oddities in Dan's behavior, she just needs more time and information to process it. Remember, even though we've had Miriam back in the picture for 2 weeks (or more), she's actually only been back for a few days.

I know I should be more sympathetic, but I'm tired of Camila sobbing all the time. I hate it when people cry over and over.
And I'm really fed up with Natalia and her fantasy world she lives in. I have no patience for her.
 

Oh, and another thing. I would have taken those grotty used earrings and tossed them in the lake as soon as Maid Miriam was out the door. Gross me out.

If you can't go shopping, you can just skip the farewell gift, you know.
 

Cathyx:"I know I should be more sympathetic, but I'm tired of Camila sobbing all the time. I hate it when people cry over and over." I've been thinking the same thing. I keep having to remind myself (and Flaco keeps having to remind me) that for us it's been two weeks or more and for her it's only been a few days. I'm still really tired of seeing it.

Carolina: if those earrings were pierced, double ewww!! (unless she never wore them).
 

Perhaps in Chilean and/or Mexican culture it's not an insult to give used jewelry for a gift. They may even be heirloom and worth something. Or they may mean something to Miriam.
 

And poor Camila was probably wondering if Dan had given those earrings to Miriam!
 

And I wouldn't be insulted by the gift if someone gave me used jewelry. I thought it was a nice sentiment.
 

I agree with Cathyx; the earrings could have been antique, inherited by Miriam from her mother or other older female relative.

OT: No episode tomorrow due to Premio Lo Nuestro.
 

Camila tends to keep the crying for when she's by herself, which is pretty normal. She tries not to cry in front of Dan, by being super cool and all about biz with him, but at times, like last night when he announced he's leaving the next morning, she doesn't succeed. She didn't even cry when she spoke to Vivi the other day. So although I hate to see a person cry, I'm not too bugged by it because it has only been a few days in her universe and I think she's done pretty well holding it together in front of people and deserves to have a good cry alone in her cabin if she wants to.

Considering that Dan will likely be leaving during tonight's episode, I am bracing myself for her to be a total wreck. She's already started to lose it during her convo with Mariano-- who keeps pushing her crying buttons by asking stuff like, what happens if the docs give Dan bad news about Miriam's health?

 

The earrings could also have been cheap plastic.

Used personal items make a very poor choice of gifts, especially if you don't know the other person. Camila didn't want ANY gift from this woman.

Clueless MM plows ever onward ...
 

Also, by keeping herself busy, off the ranch, helping Mariano and Luzma and Pablo with their issues the last few days has prevented Camila from being depressed, and likely crying, in her cabin. Pretty much every day she's been up at the crack of dawn to tend to the bulls and to work with the ranch hands. Then she heads off to Metepec or Aculco to help the Albarrans with their various issues. Then she comes back late, sits in her chair listening to Gussy berate her about kicking Dan out and trying to force her to eat, gives Gussy "the look", sits and thinks about her rotten luck for a few more hours, texts Vivi and Mariano, and then heads to bed to sleep for however few hours she sleeps before starting the process again the next day. If she manages to avoid Dan, Miriam or Agatha, she tends to go the whole day without a tear. They are her triggers.
 

Bummer UA, This misery gets prolonged another day.

Vivi, I'm not saying she shouldn't cry and doesn't deserve to cry, just that it annoys me.
 

How long does Miriam think Dan has been in Mex?

 

HELP PLEASE! I want to re-read Monday's recap but don't know how to navigate this site to get back to it. There must be an archive, yes?

Thanks in advance!
 

Variopinta- I believe the lie Abe told Miriam is that Dan left not too long before she gave birth, so about 2 months give or take. (We need to ignore the actual age of the baby actress.) That on it's own is enough time for a person to have some profound experiences with a group of people. I think Dan was already hopelessly in love with Camila by that point in his actual time in Mexico.
 

Lori Loo- It's still on the main page: http://caraycaray.blogspot.com/

And here's the link to the specific Monday recap: http://caraycaray.blogspot.com/2013/02/amor-bravio-lunes-21813-129.html
 

Thanks Vivi, you're the best!
 

Variopinta and Vivi, I have been unclear about that time frame as well, but I thought it was a lot less than two months. I thought that Miriam was actually giving birth when Dan dreamed about it the week before the wedding, then they went on a week or so long honeymoon, and that's only about two weeks.
 

Carolina- When Miriam and Abe told Dan the story of the birth they said it happened 6 weeks ago. The dream didn't happen at the same time as the birth, but after. Either Dan or Cam when speaking with the baby told her the dream was telling them that she was about to arrive in Dan's life.
 

Miriam doesn't think that Dan came up to Mexico right as Miriam was giving birth. He came up well before that.
 

I should have said that the story is he came up well before that.
 

Abe said Dan left shortly before she gave birth. He didn't give an exact time, so we can assume anywhere from 1-4 weeks (depending on your idea of a "short time"). Add that to 6 weeks since the birth and you have 2 months, give or take a few weeks.
 

Before finally deciding to leave and take care of the Mexican inheritance issue, Dan was supposedly by her side everyday for the majority of the months she was in coma.
 

I do remember that comment about the baby telling Dan she was about to arrive in his life, but I interpreted that to mean her birth, not her travel to Mexico. I am not disputing your grasp on the facts, though. I am sure you are right, as usual. :) I also remember that Abe told Miriam that Dan had left just before the birth, so that would mean she thinks he had been there six weeks.
 

My idea of a 'short time' is a few days.
 

I also assumed that the baby was arriving as Dan dreamed about her, which would be the general rule. However, this novela breaks a number of rules, so that was not the case.
 

Well, we know that the baby arrived 6 weeks ago (now more like 7). We have been told this by Miriam and Abe. And we know in the timeframe of the tn that the dream did not happen that long ago. So we can either assume the writers have bent time and space somehow, or that the dream was not meant to happen at the moment the baby was born.

So Miriam believes Dan has been in Mexico at least 6-7 weeks, if not a bit more (2+ months).
 

Dan's dream happened a couple days before he married Cam and they've been married for about two weeks now -- so the dream didn't coincide with the birth of Agatha since Agatha was born at least 5 weeks before they're married. I think Cam's interpretation of Dan's dream is what the writers were aiming for.

Myo-
 

I rather like the idea of bending time and space. In general, I mean. If you can, why not?

Just sayin'.
 

I also think it's possible that we think more about this stuff than the writers do.
 

Carolina- I like the idea of that too. :) In any case, all tns bend the laws of time and space since time passes in an odd way. Months pass by in what seems like days or weeks to the audience if they examined the tn scene by scene. Yet at the same time, many months have gone by in the real world time of the audience. It boggles the mind! LOL! Best not to think about it too much.

Yet, when they DO tell the audience the actual time that has passed or will pass-- like saying the baby was born 6 weeks ago, or that Cam and Dan are getting married in 2 weeks-- it's best to pay attention to those details, because timeframe details are few and far between.
 

This is true, which is why I tried to determine the passage of time by the moon phases, which didn't work because each series has only one!
 

I was just thinking that Miriam must be wondering how Dan got SO close to these people in such a short time. Another clue that s/b jelling.
 

VP, she has mentioned that, and she's referred to it being only a few weeks, which is vague and could mean as much as six weeks, but it's another inconsistency as to exactly how much time we are talking about.

However, as I mentioned above, she hasn't actually put anything together. In one conversation she's wondering how Dan got so involved with all these people so quickly, in another she's wonder why he's fighting with Camila, in another she is surprised that Dan was around when Alonso and Ximena died. Yet she can't seem to add anything up or even ask some smart questions.

I don't think she is supposed to be dumb, yet this is not intelligent behavior. I think her character has been poorly developed. She is very one-dimensional syrupy sweet and we have been told things about her that we have not seen.
 

Sorry for this last add on. Does anybody come back to re read our blogs. Porque I do sometimes and I noticed UA you are asking me what I was talking about. well I guess this is what I was talking about- is it the DA team ? Well I was referring to Downtown Abbey which was mentioned by somebody and since it was the day before I was late in following up.Sorry for the confusion. also I noticed a typo- BYW should be BTW(by the way). Hope UA sees this. Thanks Vivi for the Teresa detail. I always love your attention to details and informative contributions.