Wednesday, May 15, 2013
Qué Bonito Amor #22 (Mex 32.2-33) Tuesday 5/14/13 Que Día Tan Bonito or Love in a Time of Thunderstorms
This episode could have titled this El Episodio de No’s, Not’s, Don’ts and Won’ts.
Recapper doesn’t think there was any Lo de Ayer
Lo de HoySome scenes have been combined to prevent eyeball-whiplash.
·
JAntos
pays a visit to Irasema, his long-legged (and slightly long in the tooth) night-owl
neighbor. No, not for himself (but he
might need her services before the night is over…). He’s there to ask a favor
for a friend in need. The friend, of
course, is none other than Sweet Sue. JAntos
tells him to get dressed up real guapo, go to this address “for a good time.” He just needs to relax. And, No, he can’t let his mother know where
he’s off to.
·
Maria and
Gloria have left Oscar’s place and stopped for a cafecito and a
heart-to-heart chat. Gloria had no idea
Oscar was interested in Maria—after Oscar’s performance earlier. Maria swears she never led him on, was never
Coloso’s novia, mujer, whatever, never interested in him, isn’t and No, never
will be. Gloria believes her. She’s always loved him. (Stay tuned, we learn
a little more of Gloria and Oscar’s backstory later on.)
·
Coloso is
banging on Fernando’s apt. door. Fer
is still hurting from the beat-down he got, but opens it for Coloso. El Rey is pretty steamed about
something. Fernando guesses it’s about
Vargas and he doesn’t want to talk about Vargas. No, answers Coloso, this time it’s about
ME! Fernando gets a kick out of
the story (from Coloso’s point of view, of course) and is delighted to hear he
has a “little nephew.” Oscar isn’t in
the mood and No, he’s not going to do anything about him—after all the time
gone by and Gloria never told him. He’s
darn sure the chamaco isn’t his.
·
Said
chamaco is working on his Spanish lessons at Maria’s apartment with Paloma
tutoring. Isa is trying Not to do her
math homework, it’s too hard. Roddy
offers to help. Things are getting out
of hand for Paloma. No, back to Spanish
for Roddy and math for Isa.
There’s a
knock at the door and Paloma answers. It’s an ordinary looking guy in a
loud ghastly green plaid work shirt. Oh my
heavens, it’s Jorge Alfredo looking for Maria. [Note to JS--please tell wardrobe this is just not your color or design.]
Paloma tells him she went to Coloso’s place (a potentially serious error
of omission here). When he asks why, Isa
pipes up and says, duh, he’s her novio.
JAntos puts on an act like a wounded bull and calls Isa a torero who’s
wounded him in the heart. Amalia hears
him from the other room (where she was hiding out from Gloria and Roddy). She stops him from leaving because she wants
to talk to him. She shoos the kids down
to the patio. Amalia is really pithed at
Jorge Alfredo. She’s sure he’s the cause
of Maria not taking the job at Don Ruben’s office—one that would surely have
brought her a bigger salary, experience and advancement. Of course, she won’t let him get a word in
edgewise.
Fortunately for JA, Ruben arrives
and JA opens the door. He tells Ruben
that Maria isn’t home. Amalia
overhears his reason for coming. He
wants to apologize for the humiliation his wife put Maria through at the serenata. He also came to pay them (I didn’t see JA
actually take the check, although it was urged on him so he could have
something to start paying back Amalia’s hospital care). The two men shoot eye
daggers at each other. Amalia realizes
she jumped to a hasty conclusion and has to eat, chew and swallow her
words. Then JA tells Amalia the real
reason for his visit. He’s been to see Don Tonio and shares what he learned
about Pedro Mendoza—that he was never unfaithful, etc. etc. Amalia sputters that Concho told her he was
and she believed it. Jorge Alfredo
assumes he lied out of jealousy or some rivalry. Amalia is all torn up that she
blamed Pedro for eight years for something he never did. The three girls return. (I guess Rodrigo went
home with Gloria.) Maria greets JAntos with a sweet kiss on the cheek and realizes
something is wrong with her mother.
Amalia assures her it is nothing and asks to be helped back to her room.
Maria goes with her. She starts out by
telling Maria that now she knows why she didn’t take the job with Don Rube and
is behind her all the way. One must
always put dignity first. Now, GO, there’s
a decent young man waiting for you out there. GO. Maria would rather stay with her, Not leave
her alone, but Amalia insists.
· Up in Los Angeles, CA, Justo is on the phone with the Mexican Minister of State. He understands there is nothing they can do without risking their international reputation by getting embroiled in the investigation, but he appreciates their concern. At least they've let him keep his post as consul. Altagracia is whimpering at his elbow, not to give up on their son. She’s certain he’s innocent. Justo, it seems is now 100% on board and will work to clear his son and bring the perpetrators to justice (way to go, Justo or your name isn’t Justo).
Comm. Derecho is trying to get out of his office but Curtis is blocking his way. He’s going to turn in his resignation because of his failure with the Santos case. She’s visibly upset (and that’s a mild description for what’s going on). There’s a little FF BB SS RR FF BB SS RR (that’s a new dance step—two steps forward, two backward, two sideways, two round and round and repeat randomly). Derecho finally orders her aside; she salutes and gets the door in her face. Derecho’s superior Won’t take the resignation. He rips it up. Derecho protests his right to resign. Super says ok, but if you go, Curtis goes out the door right behind you. Derecho won’t let that happen, so he agrees to a reassignment to the archives until his retirement.
· Gloria returns home to the strains of a classic mariachi voice. She’s pensive, remembering the scene with her father after Oscar left. Her papa is forcing her to leave the area, but making it sound as though it’s an opportunity she shouldn’t pass up. He’s not being cruel, he and her mother want what’s best for her [where oh where have we heard this before]. Gloria doesn’t want to go. She’s sure Oscar will return – [and this is significant] – AFTER he resolves his family problem [and Viewerville is going to want to know what that is and why he didn’t come back]. Her father reminds her that a man so much in love with someone doesn’t abandon her and besides, no one has heard a thing from him [it sounds as though maybe he wasn’t *from* there]. “He’s not worthy of you.” Her father’s words are ringing in Gloria’s ears as she is brought back to the present. She wonders why he got stuck in her heart (clavaste en mi corazón; clavar = nail, fasten—we’re hearing this a lot lately).
·
Maria and Jorge Alfredo leave the apartment
house to spend a whole day with each other. As they leave, Mustachio Mariachi
pal sees them leaving, very much into each other and files away that bit of
information for later use. Maria Won’t
tell JAntos where they are going and banter back and forth about taking him to
the ends of the earth, while he declares he would go to the ends of the earth
with her and she will go with him wherever the paths lead. She will always be his (tuya). She has to be with him because he has her
heart and she needs it to live. JAntos
wishes he’d met her long before, but being with her makes him feel that he’s
known her forever. He leans in for a
real kiss.
We interrupt this lovely scene to show Viewerville an evil
apparition. It’s Elvira The Stalking
Vampira. She’s been spying on them from her
car. She was probably working on the
information she got the night before from Oscar—that Maria and Jorge Alfredo
had broken up for good and the way was clear for her to go after Jorge Alfredo. She’s bummed out because that kiss was full
of passion.
·
To the
strains of QBA, our couple strolls through an open air market looking at
the displays of artisan and folk art merchandise. They stop to watch an acrobatic act of
flying bird-men. Someone has been
watching them, as they have been holding hands, touching each other, looking at
each other lovingly and hugging and kissing.
It's Elvira and she is clearly displeased by the sight, not of the bird-men, but of
the love-birds. Maria and JAntos reach the docks with the famous barges at
Xochimilco Park. They find one that’s called Maria Bonita [now how coinkydink
is *that*?]. He invites her to board. And they take a cruise, listen to live
mariachi and do a lot of nuzzling and kissing.
We interrupt this lovely scene to wonder just how long this
can last. They are just too happy and
Elvira is just too put out.
·
Back in
L.A., it seems Comm. Derecho hasn’t cleared out his office yet. He’s on the phone with someone in
Mexico. He had no idea Santos had gotten
that far into Mexico. He’s just thrown
dirt in their eyes ever since he crossed the border. Lt. Curtis is not going to take that and
starts shadowboxing (this is greatly toned down from what Derecho called an
earthquake). The Mexican authorities are
sure it was Santos. Derecho begins to
dictate a report indicating that Santos is very dangerous and is setting up a
money laundering business right there in Mexico. More hi-jinx from Curtis >>FF.
·
Sweet Su,
all dressed up in a Harlequin sweater and his hair tamed by pomade is making
his escape from the house before Mama Mancia can catch him. He reaches JAntos’ pension and timidly walks
in. He follows the candle lit camino de
amor and reaches Irasema’s place.
Elvira says Maria is not going to get what she wants
They plot and plan their strategies together
Ooops, JAntos catches Oscar, El Coloso, Rey de los Mariachis, planting a juicy one on Maria.
We
interrupt this scene to afford these two some privacy for what is about to take
place, for Sweet Su’s sake.
·
Though
Maria and Jorge Alfredo would like to stay in the field of flowers forever,
a thunderstorm is approaching and tells Maria they’d better head back.
We interrupt this scene to show Viewerville how easy it was for Elvira to bribe—er
pay off the barge pilot to scram and maroon the mooning couple. Three times what he’s earning right
then. His face says, sí señorita.
·
Of course
Maria & Jorge Alfredo find the boat gone. Maria thinks they’ll have to wait in the rain
for another boat to come along, but JAntos says it’s wiser to get out of the
way of a dangerous storm.
Now it’s Televisa’s turn to interrupt its own show with an homage to
Jorge Negrete. (It can’t be real time because JA is standing with the band.)
OK, back to the recap.
·
Here in
the middle of Xochimilco Park, at one of the main cultivated and perfectly
landscaped public attractions, Maria & Jorge Alfredo find a tumble-down
shack that looks occupied but no one answers.
They break in. Maria is
soaked. JA stayed dry because he was
smart enough to layer his clothing that morning. His jacket is wet, but his green plaid shirt
is dry and he has on a manly dark t-shirt underneath. He insists that Maria put on his shirt. She does, and it looks a lot better on her
than on him. JAntos starts a fire while
they wait out the storm. He finds a
bottle of tequila and tries to get Maria to drink some (to get “warm”?)
[Apologies from recapper, the storm was too loud and only bits and pieces of
this conversation could be heard—it was mostly about separation, love and stuff—me
preocupas, no estoy bien]. There’s no bed, but there is a mat on the floor
[what, no table and chairs?]. Jorge Alfredo & Maria sit down on it. He has that look in his puppy dog eyes that says
things are going to get serious and begins to kiss Maria again. She responds.
[Viewerville sees the fire, more kissing and the rest is up to our
imaginations. No such luck, a dang beer commercial intrudes while Viewerville must hold its collective
breath.]
Maria & Jorge Alfredo are lying close together on the mat, caressing
each other. Maria is the one that breaks
apart and sits up. This isn’t right she
whispers. JA agrees, it isn’t right.
Everything in good time. Love is mas allá. (I think he means there is more to
love than making love.) He envisions them waiting until they are together in the
U.S., when they are able to love each other openly and freely (after getting
the OJ monkey off his back) and they can start their world over again. There’s a tender embrace and they fall asleep
together on the mat.
·
Back at
the apartment, Amalia wakes with a start, in pain. She gets up.
Then we see her get up again and realizes she can see again. She thanks the Virgencita for this gift to be
able to see her girls again. She checks
on Paloma and Isabel, but figures that Maria is at work.
[Just because Vivi wants to know, we’ll take a peek at
Irasema and Susanito and see how it’s going.
It takes a bit to relax him, but she gets his sweater off. He’s wearing a nice shirt and tie. Irasema opens up her silky shortie red robe
and his eyes pop to see her sexy teddy underneath. She pushes him gently down on the bed. He looks up at her with a look that says, “Is
this going to hurt?” She says,
tranquilo, we’ll go slowly. That’s
enough. We’ll give them back their
privacy.]
·
L.A. Bar,
somewhere in L.A. Orange Julius is
brooding. He has a meet. Someone is approaching and the underlings
scatter. OJ is sweating bullets. He knows he’s in the doghouse. It’s the
Padrino. We still don’t get to see his
face; just his expensive Italian shoes and an exclusive Murano ring. He speaks Italian, so we are sure he is Mafioso. Fortunately he also speaks Spanish, and we
get the Italian translated into Spanish in the subtitles—que divertido. He's not happy because Padrino’s
associate Luigi’s face appeared in that photoshopped evidence with Santos. Luigi is not happy. Padrino is not happy. OJ
is so sorry about that. No buts about
it. Luigi wants Santos found before the
police find him. The long and the short of it is Giuliano has one week to find
Santos and eliminate him or he’ll be the one eliminated. OJ is sweating real bullets now.
·
DF Bar, Ay
JNTR. Oscar is pacing and cursing the Pochito. Fern wonders if he’s mad at the Pochito for
Not being at work or being with Maria.
Oscar dismisses the second choice because he knows they broke up for
good. That’s when Skinny Mustachio Pal
tells Oscar what he saw earlier that day and Fern confirms they are
together. Oscar is flabbergasted. That makes him doubly pithed. The Pochito not only takes his girl but
leaves them high and dry for showtime. Fern
thinks he wouldn’t jeopardize a job he just got and something may have happened
to them. Fern offers to step in and cover for them. It’s only fair, after all,
they covered for the group the other night. Oscar can’t stop fuming, but he
agrees and they all troop out towards the stage. Fer holds Ana back to try to explain what was
going on with the beat down and Roxana coming to live with him, but she won’t
listen. She tells him that someday, his “picaflor
ways” will be the end of him. Fer’s
song is a hit, drinking and hilarity ensue, money is rolling in and the ladies
are loving it. He’s showered with
flowers at the end. Even Concho has to
admit that whatever it was they did out there (he didn’t witness it) was great.
(Oh, and the banda did notice that Susanito was also MIA.)
·
An off-screen
bony hand reaches out to touch Jorge Alfredo. He’s startled out of his sleep, freaks out
and calls Maria’s name. Later, a misty scene on a river draws us in as a
solitary, shadowy figure in white is poling a simple flat boat. Is it a living tableau of a Monet or a
Millais? Not quite. Jorge Alfredo’s voice
is heard and we see him and Maria in the back of the boat, as he wonders what a woman alone is doing on the river. The woman answers mysteriously that a woman on the
water at night is looking for her sons (or children), who went to el otro lado
(either the River Styx or Al Norte across the border)…Maria finishes the
sentence…and is called La Llorona (what a great name for a Lila Downs
song). Yes, the woman answers, La
Llorona. She works hard but at night she’s
always on the water hoping for the return of her hijos to see them again before
dying. Santos hugs Maria tightly.
They reach the shore and thank La Llorona and hope she finds
her hijos soon. Off she goes into the
mist. Jorge tells Maria he felt
something really strange while they were with her. Especially because she is called La
Llorona. Maria chalks it up to the
legend. Mexicans are big on folklore and legends. Jorge is animated to learn about
his country, to love his country. They’ll
do it together and seal it with a kiss.
A taxi brings them up to Maria’s door at dawn and she tells
Jorge that she’ll go in by herself to face her mother alone, as she is sure to
be angry. Before they part, she does
want to know what he said to Amalia that made her change her mind about their
being together. He says it’s a secret.
So now he wants to know why she went to Coloso’s place. She may have been getting ready to say the
same thing when the episode ends.
AVANCES
Coloso lands a good one on Jorge AlfredoElvira says Maria is not going to get what she wants
They plot and plan their strategies together
Ooops, JAntos catches Oscar, El Coloso, Rey de los Mariachis, planting a juicy one on Maria.
EPILOG
Susano is no longer a virgin. He’s still with Irasema. He’s lying on his
back (presumably naked and so is Irasema), spent with a contented grin on his
face telling Irasema that she is the most beautiful woman in the world. She’s ontop of him caressing him. That’s All Folks.Labels: QBA
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Buenas noches amigos y amigas. It's been a long day. These are the first 14 minutes of the episode. I had to record it and work on it live. Need my sleep. See you all in the morning.
Wow, did I get a lovely episode (after these 14 minutes, at least).
Wow, did I get a lovely episode (after these 14 minutes, at least).
Did JAntos pay Irasema for her services for Susanito?
Why was Mancia falling over the sofa?
Did Elvira not realize that by hijacking Mantos' boat they would be trapped TOGETHER? And she really needs a job or something instead of stalking Maria & JAntos around town.
Why is Curtis tearing up the office? And is Derecho being assigned to archives before or after he solves the Santos case? If he sits in the archives he might end up finding something that will exonerate Santos.
The Godfather ordered OJ to kill Santos or he'd kill OJ and gave him one week to do it, right?
Why was Mancia falling over the sofa?
Did Elvira not realize that by hijacking Mantos' boat they would be trapped TOGETHER? And she really needs a job or something instead of stalking Maria & JAntos around town.
Why is Curtis tearing up the office? And is Derecho being assigned to archives before or after he solves the Santos case? If he sits in the archives he might end up finding something that will exonerate Santos.
The Godfather ordered OJ to kill Santos or he'd kill OJ and gave him one week to do it, right?
Permalink posted by 
: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 at 9:57:00 AM EDT
: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 at 9:57:00 AM EDT
Anon207--All questions will be answered anon (hehe).
1. Payment for services. Not that we could see. She said she'd do anything for JA and he said it was a favor that he was asking for a friend and maybe it wasn't such a good idea. She seems to have agreed.
2. Mancia realized that Sweet Su had gotten away from her and she was experiencing "extreme stress." She didn't want to fall on the floor, so she got near enough to the couch to make her fall there. (It was supposed to be funny, I didn't think so and left it out of the recap.)
3. There's a lot Elvira doesn't figure out. My question is how did she get there without a boat or getting wet. She must have walked. Maria and JA stayed on the hummock because there was shelter, but by that time they were soaked anyway.
4. Read Parte 2, which is up. Not sure if he's still on the Santos case or whether it just hasn't been turned over to someone else. Anyway, he's ON it.
5. Yes. You got it. That's coming in Parte 4. OJ sure looks worried, no?
1. Payment for services. Not that we could see. She said she'd do anything for JA and he said it was a favor that he was asking for a friend and maybe it wasn't such a good idea. She seems to have agreed.
2. Mancia realized that Sweet Su had gotten away from her and she was experiencing "extreme stress." She didn't want to fall on the floor, so she got near enough to the couch to make her fall there. (It was supposed to be funny, I didn't think so and left it out of the recap.)
3. There's a lot Elvira doesn't figure out. My question is how did she get there without a boat or getting wet. She must have walked. Maria and JA stayed on the hummock because there was shelter, but by that time they were soaked anyway.
4. Read Parte 2, which is up. Not sure if he's still on the Santos case or whether it just hasn't been turned over to someone else. Anyway, he's ON it.
5. Yes. You got it. That's coming in Parte 4. OJ sure looks worried, no?
Bien hecho, Anita.
Elvira needs a job. Her father has made more than enough money for her to have an education, so there has to be something she's suited to do. She is completely useless.
I don't think Jorge Alfredo knew that Irasema is the woman Su is nuts about. That boy will be in for a major disappointment and/or shock when he realizes what she does for a living.
Mancia makes her own stress. She will be the one who plays the martyr for no reason when she realizes her little boy is no longer a virgin.
Elvira needs a job. Her father has made more than enough money for her to have an education, so there has to be something she's suited to do. She is completely useless.
I don't think Jorge Alfredo knew that Irasema is the woman Su is nuts about. That boy will be in for a major disappointment and/or shock when he realizes what she does for a living.
Mancia makes her own stress. She will be the one who plays the martyr for no reason when she realizes her little boy is no longer a virgin.
Anita- I'm really enjoying the sections you've given us so far. Now I want to know what Elvira did, what happened to Maria and Santos, did Su do the deed finally, what's Gloria going to do next? LOL! I think this is way better and more exciting than actually watching the show.
Anita:
Thanks for Parte 1 and 2, and I agree with Vivi you make this so much more fun than the show. Thanks for this fab recap.
I like Derecho and Curtis. Not good as detectives but funny as a comedy team. I had to laugh when Derecho's boss ripped up his resignation.
Agree that Elvira needs a job. Her stalking is way beyond boring.
I like it that Amalia now knows why Maria didn't take that job with Rueben and about Don Concho's lies about her husband. I too think it was as Urban said yesterday, Don Concho probably pulled an Oscar on Amalia, Concho must have had a thing for Amalia back in the day.
Sweet Su is really adorable. I am glad he escaped his Mama, but I think he will be hurt when he finds out what Irasema does for a living.
Thanks for Parte 1 and 2, and I agree with Vivi you make this so much more fun than the show. Thanks for this fab recap.
I like Derecho and Curtis. Not good as detectives but funny as a comedy team. I had to laugh when Derecho's boss ripped up his resignation.
Agree that Elvira needs a job. Her stalking is way beyond boring.
I like it that Amalia now knows why Maria didn't take that job with Rueben and about Don Concho's lies about her husband. I too think it was as Urban said yesterday, Don Concho probably pulled an Oscar on Amalia, Concho must have had a thing for Amalia back in the day.
Sweet Su is really adorable. I am glad he escaped his Mama, but I think he will be hurt when he finds out what Irasema does for a living.
I was searching for a cartoon last night for a future movie Meetup when it occurred to me that -- despite his obvious good grooming -- Oscar is comparable to Pepe Le Pew who doesn't get that la pussycat isn't into him.
Now I have to make some dejeuner...
Now I have to make some dejeuner...
Part 3 is up. A night of love-making?
To amplify Anon207's question, I went back to the Mancia scene. She saw his mariachi suit and realized he wasn't going to work and where could he be, that's what brought on her panic attack.
I think you are right, UA, about JA not knowing Irasema was the woman Su was oggling. In fact as JA understood it, Su's just been too shy to even approach a woman. So our fixit man is going to fix the situation.
Ok, back to the DVR. I'm writing and typing as fast as I can.
To amplify Anon207's question, I went back to the Mancia scene. She saw his mariachi suit and realized he wasn't going to work and where could he be, that's what brought on her panic attack.
I think you are right, UA, about JA not knowing Irasema was the woman Su was oggling. In fact as JA understood it, Su's just been too shy to even approach a woman. So our fixit man is going to fix the situation.
Ok, back to the DVR. I'm writing and typing as fast as I can.
I was actually surprised that JAntos went to Irasema and set up the thing with Sue. It seemed out of character that after telling the guy to wait for the right woman to come along he sets him up with a up with a prostitute. That was disappointing to me. I don't think JAntos knows about Sue's crush or he wouldn't have done what he did.
I thought it hilarious when the thug was talking to OJ it was all in Italian. Just Mexicans playing onto the Italian stereotype. LOL OJ now has one week to find JAntos or else. Obviously OJ and his crew have managed to make the Godfather think JAntos has all their money.
That whole thing was Dercho was odd. I too wondered if he was going to be sent to archives as a punishment and that while there he will find the truth. Nobody else seems to be doing anything about it.
This being Novelaland I'm guessing that OJ will go to Mexico and immediately, in a city of over 20 million find the right neighborhood. It also occurred to me that back a few days Reuben mentioned going to Los Angeles on business. He is a lawyer and perhaps his business is with OJ. A little note comparing and JA will be found.
I thought it hilarious when the thug was talking to OJ it was all in Italian. Just Mexicans playing onto the Italian stereotype. LOL OJ now has one week to find JAntos or else. Obviously OJ and his crew have managed to make the Godfather think JAntos has all their money.
That whole thing was Dercho was odd. I too wondered if he was going to be sent to archives as a punishment and that while there he will find the truth. Nobody else seems to be doing anything about it.
This being Novelaland I'm guessing that OJ will go to Mexico and immediately, in a city of over 20 million find the right neighborhood. It also occurred to me that back a few days Reuben mentioned going to Los Angeles on business. He is a lawyer and perhaps his business is with OJ. A little note comparing and JA will be found.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 at 2:21:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 at 2:21:00 PM EDT
Anita:
Thanks so much for parts 3 and 4. I loved the alone time that Jantos and Maria had, but it's too bad that Coloso and Elvira will ruin it. When will they get it thru their thick heads, Coloso and Elvira that their crushes are so not into them.
When I lived in Texas, I heard many versions of the Llorona legend. Some say she lost her children going North, some say she killed them and now is doomed to cry for them for eternity. What a sad thing. That was an eerie boat ride.
Darn I missed the Italian part. I will have to go on Hulu to find it. I would have loved to have heard it.
I'm with Decie girl, I too think Rueben will be having bidness with the Godfather or with Santos' family and will out where Santos is.
Thanks so much for parts 3 and 4. I loved the alone time that Jantos and Maria had, but it's too bad that Coloso and Elvira will ruin it. When will they get it thru their thick heads, Coloso and Elvira that their crushes are so not into them.
When I lived in Texas, I heard many versions of the Llorona legend. Some say she lost her children going North, some say she killed them and now is doomed to cry for them for eternity. What a sad thing. That was an eerie boat ride.
Darn I missed the Italian part. I will have to go on Hulu to find it. I would have loved to have heard it.
I'm with Decie girl, I too think Rueben will be having bidness with the Godfather or with Santos' family and will out where Santos is.
I apologize for this taking so long to post. I started to do just bullets and two or three sentences each, but, like Madelaine, I'm just too wordy and want to get all the scenarios painted and throw in the nuances.
Now I get to have desayuno!
Decie girl--I'm sort of with you, too, about JA's advice to Su to wait for the right girl and then set up his "appointment." Maybe he figured it was more of a lesson or a trial run to get some experience before the woman of his dreams comes along. It's all going to lead to a superb mix-up.
The avances never seem to show anything exciting going on in L.A., but I think your guess would be very logical--OJ or some trusted henchman has to do the job, no?
Now I get to have desayuno!
Decie girl--I'm sort of with you, too, about JA's advice to Su to wait for the right girl and then set up his "appointment." Maybe he figured it was more of a lesson or a trial run to get some experience before the woman of his dreams comes along. It's all going to lead to a superb mix-up.
The avances never seem to show anything exciting going on in L.A., but I think your guess would be very logical--OJ or some trusted henchman has to do the job, no?
Mads, don't bother with looking for the Italian, it was just a catchword here and there, but they got it right--not like some of the English we hear get fractured. It was just so funny to see the subtitles in Spanish when they translated the Italian. I thought the subtitles were for the English speaking audience!
Anita:
Thanks, and you are probably right about the subtitles being for the English speaking audience. If you know Spanish, it's not hard to figure out the Italian : )
Thanks, and you are probably right about the subtitles being for the English speaking audience. If you know Spanish, it's not hard to figure out the Italian : )
I'd like to have heard more Italian, por supuesto.
La llorna... could she be the birth mother of Isabel?
La llorna... could she be the birth mother of Isabel?
Gracias Anita! That was far less whiplash-y than watching the episode. QTH was up with the editing?!
UA
I don't think La Llorana is Isa's mother, she is too old but now that we know Pedro was true blue the mystery of Isa and her parentage becomes more of a mystery.
The italian was funny but when i first heard it i thought what the hec , then the subtitles in Spanish and it clicked in my mind. They just gave us the kind of flavor that they wo with the English.
I don't think La Llorana is Isa's mother, she is too old but now that we know Pedro was true blue the mystery of Isa and her parentage becomes more of a mystery.
The italian was funny but when i first heard it i thought what the hec , then the subtitles in Spanish and it clicked in my mind. They just gave us the kind of flavor that they wo with the English.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 at 4:47:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 at 4:47:00 PM EDT
I am going to wonder whether Isa is actually Concho's child, as I mentioned yesterday.
Genaro, El Bartono, who was singing in the tribute scene, is the grandson of Jorge Negrete. Very appropriate that he sang the lead in that scene.
The whiplash we get from the quick scene changes must be all about the diminished attention spans people are assumed to have these days. I find it rather annoying.
The half-moon we keep seeing must be the designated moon phase for this series:
-- LQNPA was full moons
-- Amor Bravio was near-full moons.
Genaro, El Bartono, who was singing in the tribute scene, is the grandson of Jorge Negrete. Very appropriate that he sang the lead in that scene.
The whiplash we get from the quick scene changes must be all about the diminished attention spans people are assumed to have these days. I find it rather annoying.
The half-moon we keep seeing must be the designated moon phase for this series:
-- LQNPA was full moons
-- Amor Bravio was near-full moons.
Hi kids! Anita, thank you for the marvelous recap. Quite entertaining. And thanks to all the rest of the recappers, too. I’ve been reading but short of time for posting. I finally found QBA on my OnDemand service, not in the normal place, so it took me a while, and I have been trying to find the time to catch up. Last weekend I did a couple of marathon sessions of multiple episodes, back to back, which left me in a stupor. This TN is malevolently hypnotic.
I’d like to weigh in on a few of the older discussions.
First off, I’m with ChrisinFL on the Spanish speaking in LA. It is artificial as all get out, but it is exactly what you see in all sorts of American movies, especially older ones, like his example of Casablanca. Think of all those old WWII movies with all the Germans and Japanese speaking English to each other, like that makes any sense.
In this case, I think there are a couple of practical reasons why they pretty much have to limit the amount of subtitles. First, I think quite a bit of the story is going to take place in LA, so there will be a lot of dialog and some of it will be pretty complex. I think it would be difficult for Televisa to find enough actors who speak English well enough to do long, involved scenes. A few words, like that marriage ceremony in AB, ok, but that’s not significant. And if they did try to do longer scenes in English, we’d just be picking at their accents, wouldn’t we? :) Second, and this is huge, the audience isn’t going to want to or may not be capable of reading subtitles for extensive scenes. Literacy levels are pretty low in Mexico. A lot of American audiences won’t put up with them either. If they had a lot of long scenes with subtitles, I believe a huge portion of the audience would turn the channel and I believe the powers that be at Televisa know that.
Next, the drinking game. My take is that we need something that does not require judgment. It’s gotta be an automatic wrist flick, toss back some much needed relief type of response to the cue. I can’t be thinking and drinking at the same time. So I vote we don’t try to decide whether or not the Mexicans are going all wacky on their portrayal of our legal procedures or whether or not they should be speaking Spanish. I like the ‘pochito’ one, and I like the one for drinking whenever anyone says QBA. Not if they sing it, though, or we’d all end up on the floor. How about any time JAntos says he’s innocent? Or anyone gives Maria flowers?
I find it interesting how the US justice system is perceived by the Mexicans. And also entertaining. However, I don’t care for the broad, slapstick humor of the two American cop buffoons. And talk about a hostile work environment. There is no way that woman cop could get away with acting like that towards a man at work, and there is no way that a self respecting female cop, who undoubtedly had to prove herself over and over again to reach that level of position, and who undoubtedly endured a whole bunch of sexual harassment herself along the way, would act like that, but … in the dreamscape of QBA, there is no point in sweating the details.
I don’t think that the Mexican audience would be reacting to the name ‘Susano’ the way we are. We are seeing that name through the prism of our culture, where it has an exclusively female association. I think to Mexicans, it would just be another name, though rare. I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone with that name.
I’d like to weigh in on a few of the older discussions.
First off, I’m with ChrisinFL on the Spanish speaking in LA. It is artificial as all get out, but it is exactly what you see in all sorts of American movies, especially older ones, like his example of Casablanca. Think of all those old WWII movies with all the Germans and Japanese speaking English to each other, like that makes any sense.
In this case, I think there are a couple of practical reasons why they pretty much have to limit the amount of subtitles. First, I think quite a bit of the story is going to take place in LA, so there will be a lot of dialog and some of it will be pretty complex. I think it would be difficult for Televisa to find enough actors who speak English well enough to do long, involved scenes. A few words, like that marriage ceremony in AB, ok, but that’s not significant. And if they did try to do longer scenes in English, we’d just be picking at their accents, wouldn’t we? :) Second, and this is huge, the audience isn’t going to want to or may not be capable of reading subtitles for extensive scenes. Literacy levels are pretty low in Mexico. A lot of American audiences won’t put up with them either. If they had a lot of long scenes with subtitles, I believe a huge portion of the audience would turn the channel and I believe the powers that be at Televisa know that.
Next, the drinking game. My take is that we need something that does not require judgment. It’s gotta be an automatic wrist flick, toss back some much needed relief type of response to the cue. I can’t be thinking and drinking at the same time. So I vote we don’t try to decide whether or not the Mexicans are going all wacky on their portrayal of our legal procedures or whether or not they should be speaking Spanish. I like the ‘pochito’ one, and I like the one for drinking whenever anyone says QBA. Not if they sing it, though, or we’d all end up on the floor. How about any time JAntos says he’s innocent? Or anyone gives Maria flowers?
I find it interesting how the US justice system is perceived by the Mexicans. And also entertaining. However, I don’t care for the broad, slapstick humor of the two American cop buffoons. And talk about a hostile work environment. There is no way that woman cop could get away with acting like that towards a man at work, and there is no way that a self respecting female cop, who undoubtedly had to prove herself over and over again to reach that level of position, and who undoubtedly endured a whole bunch of sexual harassment herself along the way, would act like that, but … in the dreamscape of QBA, there is no point in sweating the details.
I don’t think that the Mexican audience would be reacting to the name ‘Susano’ the way we are. We are seeing that name through the prism of our culture, where it has an exclusively female association. I think to Mexicans, it would just be another name, though rare. I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone with that name.
A few other bits and pieces …
I love Isa. She’s my favorite character.
I like Paloma a lot, too, but something is really wrong with that poor girls lips. Another lip plumper victim, apparently.
I might be all alone in this, but I like Rodrigo. He’s all awkward and goofy, but that is how boys that age really are. I think he’s cute as a bug and I have enjoyed the puppy love scenes with him and Paloma. I really disliked sappy Pablo and Luzma in AB, but these two seem a lot more genuine to me.
I am loving seeing all the street life of DF. They are doing a great job of capturing the feel of the city and all of it’s wonderful craziness. I have caught a couple of glimpses of the hotel I stayed in the last time I was there! If anyone is interested, here’s an informative link about the square where the Jalisco bar is located: http://travel.cnn.com/plaza-garabaldi-826696 It’s been in the news lately because a grandson of Malcom X was recently murdered outside a bar there.
El Coloso may end up being an okay guy. He’s immature and stubborn, but his reaction to Gloria’s bombshell may have been mostly shock. When he meets the kid, he may have a change of heart. I also think he may even eventually end up being a friend to JAntos. I don’t think he is bad at heart.
About Xoquimilco, the normal and cheap way for someone to get there from the center of DF would be by subway, so Elvira couldn’t have followed them in her car and somehow I just can’t picture her on the metro, lol, even if she somehow magically parked her car and was able to stalk them all the way out there. Also, the canals are full of little run down shacks (people’s houses) and farmers sheds, so it is realistic for them to have found one in the storm, but it isn’t very cool to break into a building and drink the tequilla you find there. And that fire? Scared the heck out of me. I thought Jorge’s ‘fugorita’, with the huge flames shooting out the chimera, was going to burn the place down. I do think those misty canals would be very creepy after dark, even without a ghost in the boat.
“Now it’s Televisa’s turn to interrupt its own show with an homage to Jorge Negrete. (It can’t be real time because JA is standing with the band.) OK, back to the recap.” *boggle* What was that about?
I love Isa. She’s my favorite character.
I like Paloma a lot, too, but something is really wrong with that poor girls lips. Another lip plumper victim, apparently.
I might be all alone in this, but I like Rodrigo. He’s all awkward and goofy, but that is how boys that age really are. I think he’s cute as a bug and I have enjoyed the puppy love scenes with him and Paloma. I really disliked sappy Pablo and Luzma in AB, but these two seem a lot more genuine to me.
I am loving seeing all the street life of DF. They are doing a great job of capturing the feel of the city and all of it’s wonderful craziness. I have caught a couple of glimpses of the hotel I stayed in the last time I was there! If anyone is interested, here’s an informative link about the square where the Jalisco bar is located: http://travel.cnn.com/plaza-garabaldi-826696 It’s been in the news lately because a grandson of Malcom X was recently murdered outside a bar there.
El Coloso may end up being an okay guy. He’s immature and stubborn, but his reaction to Gloria’s bombshell may have been mostly shock. When he meets the kid, he may have a change of heart. I also think he may even eventually end up being a friend to JAntos. I don’t think he is bad at heart.
About Xoquimilco, the normal and cheap way for someone to get there from the center of DF would be by subway, so Elvira couldn’t have followed them in her car and somehow I just can’t picture her on the metro, lol, even if she somehow magically parked her car and was able to stalk them all the way out there. Also, the canals are full of little run down shacks (people’s houses) and farmers sheds, so it is realistic for them to have found one in the storm, but it isn’t very cool to break into a building and drink the tequilla you find there. And that fire? Scared the heck out of me. I thought Jorge’s ‘fugorita’, with the huge flames shooting out the chimera, was going to burn the place down. I do think those misty canals would be very creepy after dark, even without a ghost in the boat.
“Now it’s Televisa’s turn to interrupt its own show with an homage to Jorge Negrete. (It can’t be real time because JA is standing with the band.) OK, back to the recap.” *boggle* What was that about?
Carolina--Thank you for all the wonderful comments on subtitles, names, local color and a bit of history, albeit recent.
I was in Xochimilco, too, decades ago. I didn't remember shacks, so I stand corrected. But would one have been just a few feet from the Campo de Flores? It looked too well cared for. Anyway, one or both of us can reach for our beanies.
I look for the hotel we stayed in right on the Zocalo, The Majestic. We could go up to the roof dining room and look out all over the plaza--the cathedral on the left and the govt. buildings opposite. Don't even know if it is still there, but I did catch a glimpse of the House of Tiles, several blocks from the hotel. It was our favorite place for breakfasts.
Boggle? I don't understand. Did you object to my comment or wondered why I put it in there or what?
Anita, La Dama de Demasiado Queso
I was in Xochimilco, too, decades ago. I didn't remember shacks, so I stand corrected. But would one have been just a few feet from the Campo de Flores? It looked too well cared for. Anyway, one or both of us can reach for our beanies.
I look for the hotel we stayed in right on the Zocalo, The Majestic. We could go up to the roof dining room and look out all over the plaza--the cathedral on the left and the govt. buildings opposite. Don't even know if it is still there, but I did catch a glimpse of the House of Tiles, several blocks from the hotel. It was our favorite place for breakfasts.
Boggle? I don't understand. Did you object to my comment or wondered why I put it in there or what?
Anita, La Dama de Demasiado Queso
You were lucky not to see the first tribute. The main problem with it was the suit of JA. He was in mariachi suit, but this episode was shown before Maria gave him it. So it was like WTF?
Alegria
Alegria
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 at 7:30:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 at 7:30:00 PM EDT
According to the wikipedia page on literacy, Mexico has a literacy rate of about 86% (referring to people 15 and older, the normal statistical measure). The only reason I can think of for avoiding subtitles is that they don't appear large enough on the screen. I don't have a large screen (21") so subtitles annoy me at the moment.
Aren't Mexicans encouraged to learn English? I used to hear that English doubles your salary in the business world there.
Aren't Mexicans encouraged to learn English? I used to hear that English doubles your salary in the business world there.
Anita, Sorry about the misunderstanding about the *boggle*. I have no objection to any of your comments. I think you are wonderful. :) I just didn't have any idea what that bit of song was doing in the middle of the episode last night. I didn't know it was a tribute to someone. I actually thought it was some kind of editing error. Now that I have read some of the other comments, I am getting the picture. Too funny,
Alegria, about the out of sequence mariachi suit. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.
I have been to Xochi a couple of times, once as a kid and once just a few years ago. I don't remember a lot about the first visit, and we didn't go to the Campo de Flores the second time, so maybe we somehow just got a tour of the seedier parts of the canals. ;) I didn't see much that was well tended, though I enjoyed it all very much. I'll make sure to have the beanie on good and tight.
Alegria, about the out of sequence mariachi suit. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.
I have been to Xochi a couple of times, once as a kid and once just a few years ago. I don't remember a lot about the first visit, and we didn't go to the Campo de Flores the second time, so maybe we somehow just got a tour of the seedier parts of the canals. ;) I didn't see much that was well tended, though I enjoyed it all very much. I'll make sure to have the beanie on good and tight.
Last night was episode 33, which aired on December 5th, the anniversary of Jorge Negrete's death. That's the reason for the tribute, although it could have been worked into the episode in a less confusing way.
UA---Thanks for keeping us straight with the chapter nos. Are they still giving us parts of one and all of another? I can change the title to 32 pt. 2 & 33.
Carolina--I thought that tribute was a little strange the way they inserted it. No warning, just the shots and the music and that voice! I was trying to figure out what part in the story it played. Then I saw Jorge Alfredo and knew it couldn't be any sequence in the story.
Again, thanks UA for letting us know he's Negrete's grandson. Anyway, Carolina, that's why I recapped it as a interruption to what was really going on.
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Carolina--I thought that tribute was a little strange the way they inserted it. No warning, just the shots and the music and that voice! I was trying to figure out what part in the story it played. Then I saw Jorge Alfredo and knew it couldn't be any sequence in the story.
Again, thanks UA for letting us know he's Negrete's grandson. Anyway, Carolina, that's why I recapped it as a interruption to what was really going on.
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