Friday, July 12, 2013
Amores Verdaderos #172 Thu 7/11/13 Farewells and New Beginnings
* Lo refrito: Paula is crying with joy while she’s in the arms of her family members.
* Lo nuevo: we’re still at the surprise party where the family and their friends have a toast. Paula says this is the happiest day of her life. Jesus, I already started to cry.
* At the Balvanera mansion Vicky and Tomasina talk about the two pregnancies. Tomi thinks having a little brother/sister and a nephew/niece will be good for Nikki, because by the time she’ll have her own children with Frankie, she’ll know how take care of a baby.
* Everyone’s having a great time at the party, and everyone loves everyone. Paula, Guzmáncito and Betty are hugging and laughing together at the old memories, Gilda/Hilda, Salsero and his godmother are talking about Bea’s wedding dress (Imperia’s going to sew the dress, and she’s very happy about it), Nikki and Felipe are talking about Frankie’s new job, Paula says thanks to Neta for loving her son, Frankie would love to have a baby with Nikki (a son… or to be honest, he’d prefer a little Neta), Paula tells Felipe he’s a good man and he’ll surely find a nice woman, and so on.
* When Victoria shows up in her golden dress at the hall, Arriaga can’t stop praising her beauty. Oh, you just say it because you love me. Nooo, says the Angel, and he thinks pregnancy suits her well. He starts talking to her stomach: hey, Arriaguita, I don’t want to give your mother a hard time. That’s the moment when Polita enters the hall… and her jaw drops.
* Tomasina and Jean Marie check the horoscope of his wedding day. Jean Marie doesn’t think Odiodette would attend the ceremony… which is sad, but Stevie will always remain her son and he will always love her.
* The cakes are ready, now it’s time to blow out the candles. Paula can ask for twenty wishes. That’s too many, says Paula, but Guillo has a good idea: ask Santino to bring him a soccer ball from Brazil. *Viewerville: shut up, Guillo* Salsero smiles and he says he’ll do it. Paula blows out the candles, and everyone starts singing. Victoria Ruffo 2 is crying and she thinks that she has only one wish: she wants her family to be happy and stay together forever.
* The Angel’s big surprise for Vicky is a romantic evening at a bar, where her majesty Malú is singing their theme song to them. The editor of this episode had a simple job, all he had to do was looking up one of the 1000 fan videos on youtube. While the couple is dancing, kissing and looking at each other so adoringly that it seems they’re about to make another baby right there, we see flashbacks of them. Geez, some of their scenes were tacky.
* When Lili arrives at home, she finds Polita sleeping on her couch. What happened, Polita? Ay amiga, your daddy knocked Ms. Vicky up! Uhh-ohh.
* After the song Arriaga introduces the famous Victoria to Malú. Malú wishes they’ll stay together forever.
* Liliana has a nightmare about Arriaga, Victoria and the little boy José Ángel always wanted to have. No, please, my dad can’t have a child with that woman who hurt my mom so much. I’ll never forgive them.
* Betty asks Paula and Frankie to play the piano together. And the play… for the first time after two decades. Paula couldn’t be happier… and this is how she dies. She falls into Frankie’s arms. Mom? Mom, are you all right? Then they all realize what happened, and no, someone please give me a handkerchief!
* Whoa, Aníbal and Candelaria are married now! * the members of Viewerville are looking for barf bags* Cande is sad that only Lili attended the civil wedding. She asks Anyballs to reconcile with Adriana and Victoria. He starts his good old self-pity act: his daughters and Nikki don’t care about him at all, boohoo! He did everything he could to get close to them, but his efforts were useless. He gives her the keys of a flat he bought to her. She’s grateful for that, but she’s old-fashioned, so she won’t live with him until they aren’t married by church. Aníbal says they’ll get married the last Saturday of the month. Cande is purring with joy, but then she reminds him of his promise: after the wedding he’ll tell everything to Adriana. Of course my love, answers Aníbal, of course I’ll do it. Then we hear his inner thoughts: he’ll organize a long honeymoon trip, and if she still wants to talk… well, then he’ll have to silence her. *Viewerville: What? What? WHAAAAAAAT???!!! She is supposed to be the love of your life, you bastard!*
* Angel and Vicky are still living at Opalina’s nice little flat. He made breakfast (that’s nice), and he can’t stop talking to her belly. Arriaguita, Arriaguita! Be prepared, Victoria, because in two months you’ll have three children: Nikki, Angelito/Angelita and José Ángel. Anyway, Arriaga will graduate in a few weeks. He just wants to be worthy for her and for his children… even though he failed with Liliana. They haven’t talked in six months. Vicky asks him to understand her, she’s been busy with the nursery.
* Nikki and Frankie are also living together. Today is the opening of the eating disorders center she’s been working on in the last months.
* After Paula’s death Frankie and Betty gave back the apartment to Aníbal, and he gave it to Nelson and Kendho who just came back from Houston. Nelson still has a limp, and he’s wallowing in self-pity because he has to live in the luxurious apartment of Aníbal’s ex mistress! Oh, you poor baby. But in the last six months he was planning a payback. But Kendho? She’s so over everything, especially the Furminator. He promised her a big mansion! Everything would be different if he used Cande’s letter. But he can’t do that because that would be his death sentence. Oh yeah, that’s what Kendra wants. She wants him to die so she can get his life insurance. But there’s at least one good thing I can say about Nelson: he adores little Mia (who’s raised by the nanny).
* Adriana is living with Betty and Guillo. The flat seems like the one the Arriagas lived in. Guillo wants to know when can he and Adri’s baby play football. Well, maybe three years later, answers Bea.
* Kendra keeps complaining about the horrible poverty they live in. Please, Nelson, do something, I don’t want Mia to suffer in the future like Nikki! But geez, Nelson is *gasp* proud at Guzmán who started a business with Salsero and Arriaga: they train bodyguards. And he gave emotional stability to Nikki, so that she could beat her disease. He’s proud of her too for helping other girls who have eating disorders. *Viewerville: hey, Nellie, are you trying to grow a halo over your head, or what? Who are you and what did you do to the troll?* Kendra tries to feign enthusiasm. Nelson asks her to be patient. Okay, darling, but I swear I’ll make Aníbal Balvanera pay for what he did to you, says the Ho.
* Neta and Frankie talk about Felipe who finally overcame his gambling addiction. The money he gave to Guzmi made it possible to start that bodyguard school.
* José Ángel and Victoria (who looks like a delicious strawberry cake now) are about to leave for the opening when he gets a phonecall from Opalina. Whoa, Opalina is in front of the same green screen Victoria visited a week ago! It’s good to know there’s a signal at the waterfall, then why couldn’t anyone reach Victoria when Nelson was in the hospital? She turned her cell phone off? Okay, back on topic, she begs him to look for Lili because she’ll need him much!
* Kendho and Espanto have a secret meeting at a car-wash, because guess what, she wants to kidnap another Balvanera! *yawn, again?* Aníbal doesn’t care about Nikki anymore, but he adores his other granddaughter.
* At the nursery Lili is still struggling with the new boys – the BoyToy was definitely a better employee. Suddenly she hears a familiar voice from the behind: hija? She’s happy to see him, of course she is, but when he says he’d like to be like before, a family, she answers that it’s impossible because her mother is dead. But we are here, and you have no idea how much I missed you. Lili gets teary-eyed and she admits she missed him, too. She still loves him, he’s her father, and she knows he loves her, too. But she’s sure he loves HER more. What a shame, you slept with my aunt Victoria… you must’ve been very urged! *Viewerville and Arriaga: uhh-ohh!*
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So, she went out happy. Good for Paula.
I just posted a comment on Vivi's question about the ring. Here's mine:
Vivi--I saw it, too. I've been wondering for the last few episodes when he flashed it, but talking to himself how much he missed Miss Vikki, when he was going to take it off. I think they should have done it together. Victoria was still wearing hers when they started to dance. But that's just romantic ole me.
Check back in the morning to read the recap.
Oh what a night. I'm never going to delete this recording from my DVR.
I just posted a comment on Vivi's question about the ring. Here's mine:
Vivi--I saw it, too. I've been wondering for the last few episodes when he flashed it, but talking to himself how much he missed Miss Vikki, when he was going to take it off. I think they should have done it together. Victoria was still wearing hers when they started to dance. But that's just romantic ole me.
Check back in the morning to read the recap.
Oh what a night. I'm never going to delete this recording from my DVR.
Anita - that ring scene really bothered me. In fact, I rewound and watched it a second time, to be sure I saw what I thought I saw. JA just took it off and tossed it, like one would toss a set of keys down. That man loved Cristina and was very happy with her for ~veinte años~ and IMO she deserved more than THAT. Seems like he would have been more respectful or bittersweet or ... something more than a careless toss.
Wow, Paula went out fast (unlike my friend who recently died of the same cancer). Maybe Paula was lucky and had a massive heart attack instead. I thought she deserved at least a minute or two of funeral scenes (nothing lengthy or drawn out) since she was such an integral character to the story on a couple of levels.
The writers didn't even "meses despues" us! Right after commercial and Nikki's towel-on-her-head scene, Victoria is 7 months pregnant. I rewound that one, to make sure I didn't miss anything (because as evidenced by all my dumb questions lately, I miss a lot!) and nope, the writers left it up to us to figure it out.
Feels like the writers realized they have run out of time, episodes, or budget, and are rushing to wrap things up quickly.
Wow, Paula went out fast (unlike my friend who recently died of the same cancer). Maybe Paula was lucky and had a massive heart attack instead. I thought she deserved at least a minute or two of funeral scenes (nothing lengthy or drawn out) since she was such an integral character to the story on a couple of levels.
The writers didn't even "meses despues" us! Right after commercial and Nikki's towel-on-her-head scene, Victoria is 7 months pregnant. I rewound that one, to make sure I didn't miss anything (because as evidenced by all my dumb questions lately, I miss a lot!) and nope, the writers left it up to us to figure it out.
Feels like the writers realized they have run out of time, episodes, or budget, and are rushing to wrap things up quickly.
Actually, there was a "han pasado seis meses" scene right after the entrada. :) (I'll check the Univision version after work).
There's no need to rush anywhere, there are 10 episodes left, and we don't have THAT many storylines.
Paula died. Frankie forgave her.
JA and Vicky are together again.
Nikki and Frankie live together.
Vicky and Nellie buried the hatchet.
To be continued in the next comment...
There's no need to rush anywhere, there are 10 episodes left, and we don't have THAT many storylines.
Paula died. Frankie forgave her.
JA and Vicky are together again.
Nikki and Frankie live together.
Vicky and Nellie buried the hatchet.
To be continued in the next comment...
Important things/storylines that need to be solved:
- Adri and Carlos
- Adri and Vincenzo (okay, Vicente)
- JA, Lili and Vicky
- Lili and Nikki
- Lili and Roy
- Salsero and his shady past
- Adri, Lucía-Lili, Cande and Aníbal
- two huge anvils for Kendho and Whatshisname
- another anvil for Aníbal and one for Cande
I find it very important that there are zero misunderstandings between Vicky/Angel and Nikki/Frankie. It's nice to see that our two main couples are happy, and both relationships survived the hard days.
And the writers of AV have almost two weeks left. That's not bad. :)
- Adri and Carlos
- Adri and Vincenzo (okay, Vicente)
- JA, Lili and Vicky
- Lili and Nikki
- Lili and Roy
- Salsero and his shady past
- Adri, Lucía-Lili, Cande and Aníbal
- two huge anvils for Kendho and Whatshisname
- another anvil for Aníbal and one for Cande
I find it very important that there are zero misunderstandings between Vicky/Angel and Nikki/Frankie. It's nice to see that our two main couples are happy, and both relationships survived the hard days.
And the writers of AV have almost two weeks left. That's not bad. :)
That was some episode! I knew that Paula's time must be getting short, but I didn't expect for her to expire right then and there! Well, if you have to go, I guess that was a good way to do it. . .
I noticed that quick discard of Big Angel's ring. Yeah, that was kind of rushed.
Yes, the Univision version had the meses despues thing.
I have been wondering if now that Paula is no more and Felipe has had time to grieve for her, that he and Thomasina will get together? They've touched upon Thomasina's love life from time to time, and it looked like Felipe might have been a potential suitor for a little while there. I'd like it if that happened. It seems like Felipe has cleaned up his act and I like both him and Thomasina, so. . .
DAMMIT, when are Adri and Vicente finally going to meet! Time is a-wastin'!
And I dread Salsa-Dude's past misdeeds being uncovered, but uncovered they must be. I just hope that he and Bea have a happy ending, because he seems to be "stuck" on "good" now, and I think would make a good hubby and father. And I don't want to see Bea cry anymore.
Looking forward to tonight's episode! The Disney Princess is in my doghouse right now, but hopefully not for too much longer. SNAP OUT OF IT, LILI!!!!
I noticed that quick discard of Big Angel's ring. Yeah, that was kind of rushed.
Yes, the Univision version had the meses despues thing.
I have been wondering if now that Paula is no more and Felipe has had time to grieve for her, that he and Thomasina will get together? They've touched upon Thomasina's love life from time to time, and it looked like Felipe might have been a potential suitor for a little while there. I'd like it if that happened. It seems like Felipe has cleaned up his act and I like both him and Thomasina, so. . .
DAMMIT, when are Adri and Vicente finally going to meet! Time is a-wastin'!
And I dread Salsa-Dude's past misdeeds being uncovered, but uncovered they must be. I just hope that he and Bea have a happy ending, because he seems to be "stuck" on "good" now, and I think would make a good hubby and father. And I don't want to see Bea cry anymore.
Looking forward to tonight's episode! The Disney Princess is in my doghouse right now, but hopefully not for too much longer. SNAP OUT OF IT, LILI!!!!
yikes...That was a stunningly quick exit for Paula, but having witnessed some not so speedy exits by dear loved ones, Paula was lucky. If I could chose my exit, I would ask for a similar one. I can't play the piano, but it would be nice to be at a big celebration,dancing with all my loved ones..family and friends. I love to dance, so my epitaph could be..."She died ,,,doing the Electric Slide." A perfecto goodbye.
Permalink posted by 
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 7:45:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 7:45:00 AM EDT
Wonderful pictures Aribeth.
I've always had a soft spot for Paula and although very sad to see her pass, she died wrapped in a cocoon of warmth and love, with those she loved.
doris, prayers for your friend and hugs for you. Cancer is so insidious -I'm sorry your friend suffered so. Hopefully, she is at peace now.
Anita, I've also been wondering when JA and Vicky would remove their rings. Yes, they should have done it together and like doris, I was totally appalled at the way JA flung the ring down. Totally out of character for him - it appeared he was saying "off with the old and on with the new" and as we know, that was hardly the case. A huge misstep by the writers.
I enjoy the drama, the gnashing of teeth, the plotting, the crazy, unpredictable anvils, all of it. But what I like most about these is the romance. The promise, the fullfillment, the happily ever after. Had hoped to see a little more of JA and Vicky enjoying the pregnancy and each other.
In every scene she was in last night, Adri was sitting down at an angle where we couldn't really see her. Unless I missed something, could there be a chance she really isn't pregnant?
Would have liked to have seen more of what transpired during recent months (other than Nelson and Kendra - although it appears he does love Mia) . What happened when Lili confronted JA with the pregnancy? Where is Roy? A little aftermath of Paula's death.
Aribeth, when I read your comments, I always feel that everything will turn out fine. You are right in that our main couples are together and happy. But like Elvira, I am anxious for the Vincente/Adri meeting and for the threads to come together.
Can't wait to read the recap Aribeth!
Diana
I've always had a soft spot for Paula and although very sad to see her pass, she died wrapped in a cocoon of warmth and love, with those she loved.
doris, prayers for your friend and hugs for you. Cancer is so insidious -I'm sorry your friend suffered so. Hopefully, she is at peace now.
Anita, I've also been wondering when JA and Vicky would remove their rings. Yes, they should have done it together and like doris, I was totally appalled at the way JA flung the ring down. Totally out of character for him - it appeared he was saying "off with the old and on with the new" and as we know, that was hardly the case. A huge misstep by the writers.
I enjoy the drama, the gnashing of teeth, the plotting, the crazy, unpredictable anvils, all of it. But what I like most about these is the romance. The promise, the fullfillment, the happily ever after. Had hoped to see a little more of JA and Vicky enjoying the pregnancy and each other.
In every scene she was in last night, Adri was sitting down at an angle where we couldn't really see her. Unless I missed something, could there be a chance she really isn't pregnant?
Would have liked to have seen more of what transpired during recent months (other than Nelson and Kendra - although it appears he does love Mia) . What happened when Lili confronted JA with the pregnancy? Where is Roy? A little aftermath of Paula's death.
Aribeth, when I read your comments, I always feel that everything will turn out fine. You are right in that our main couples are together and happy. But like Elvira, I am anxious for the Vincente/Adri meeting and for the threads to come together.
Can't wait to read the recap Aribeth!
Diana
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 7:51:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 7:51:00 AM EDT
Susanlynn: Our comments crossed. "If I could chose my exit, I would ask for a similar one". Yes, amiga, the grace of a happy death would be mine as well.
Diana
Diana
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 7:52:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 7:52:00 AM EDT
I'm glad others saw the ring incident and felt as I did. I was surprised no one had mentioned it all day yesterday. It was just so unceremonious and callous the way JA took off and flung that ring. Yes, big misstep by the writers and actor. It should have been done with more deference.
Susanlynn- ITA. Paula had the best death one could have. Surrounded by everyone she loves and doing what she loved.
But it was a shock to go from that impactful moment, to "It has been six months" written in hard to see white letters over a stock shot of D.F., and then BOOM!...Anibal and Cande talking about having already gotten married "por el civil" with only Lili in attendance, and now less than a month away from their Church wedding.
Diana- Since Guillo and Bea were talking about Adri's baby, and it's been 6 months, I'm sure there is a baby bump. Otherwise, I think they would have checked Adri into the funny farm by now.
Lili may never have confronted JA about the pregnancy. It seems that she just stopped speaking to/calling him. And Roy was leaving to go train for a tournament that was coming up in a few months. So I assume he's done training and is now in the midst of the tournament overseas. All this means 6 lonely months of just work (greenhouse looks busier than ever) and hanging out with her grandparents for Lili. Tonight it seems that Lili has a life changing, or life ending, encounter, so I suspect her storyline won't stay static for too much longer.
Susanlynn- ITA. Paula had the best death one could have. Surrounded by everyone she loves and doing what she loved.
But it was a shock to go from that impactful moment, to "It has been six months" written in hard to see white letters over a stock shot of D.F., and then BOOM!...Anibal and Cande talking about having already gotten married "por el civil" with only Lili in attendance, and now less than a month away from their Church wedding.
Diana- Since Guillo and Bea were talking about Adri's baby, and it's been 6 months, I'm sure there is a baby bump. Otherwise, I think they would have checked Adri into the funny farm by now.
Lili may never have confronted JA about the pregnancy. It seems that she just stopped speaking to/calling him. And Roy was leaving to go train for a tournament that was coming up in a few months. So I assume he's done training and is now in the midst of the tournament overseas. All this means 6 lonely months of just work (greenhouse looks busier than ever) and hanging out with her grandparents for Lili. Tonight it seems that Lili has a life changing, or life ending, encounter, so I suspect her storyline won't stay static for too much longer.
Thanks Vivi. I did not know Adri's baby was being discussed. Since I miss out on so much dialog, I try to pay attention to visuals and the staging seemed strange to me. I'm relieved all is OK then...
I cringed at the preview with Lili but must believe that this crazed attempt will fail.
I also didn't realize Anibal and Cande were married. Good thing I didn't eat breakfast. Blech.
Diana
I cringed at the preview with Lili but must believe that this crazed attempt will fail.
I also didn't realize Anibal and Cande were married. Good thing I didn't eat breakfast. Blech.
Diana
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 8:24:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 8:24:00 AM EDT
Apparently I am going blind or am sitting too far from the TV screen. Gah... I watched that twice and never saw the 'meses despues'.
doris, here I am saying I try to pay attention to visuals and I never saw 'meses despues' either...Sigh.
Diana
Diana
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 10:11:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 10:11:00 AM EDT
So glad I've got you folks to catch me up on stuff I miss. I didn't notice the ring toss.
Doris - ITA "Seems like he would have been more respectful or bittersweet or ... something more than a careless toss."
I felt so bad for JA when Lili was crude to him last night, but after his callousness with the ring I don't. But Lili's bitterness can destroy her.
Doris - ITA "Seems like he would have been more respectful or bittersweet or ... something more than a careless toss."
I felt so bad for JA when Lili was crude to him last night, but after his callousness with the ring I don't. But Lili's bitterness can destroy her.
"I felt so bad for JA when Lili was crude to him last night, but after his callousness with the ring I don't."
Dropping a wedding ring into a bowl (which was more of a bad directing/acting choice) can neutralize 18 years of love and nurturing?
Dropping a wedding ring into a bowl (which was more of a bad directing/acting choice) can neutralize 18 years of love and nurturing?
Aribeth: I'm guessing think it's maybe that Niecie put herself in the perspective of Lili right now.
I can never get too mad with Lili for her attitude, even though I agree that it's very negative.
I just can't help but put myself in her place and I'd be extremely hurt if my father moved on so quickly from my mother after her tragic death. Especially if it is with someone my mother believed he was cheating on her and I knew that was the cause of great suffering in her last months of life.
Even though I'm an adult now, my greatest nightmare is still losing my mother and knowing she was in pain before her death would be crushing. I'd probably have all those bitter feelings that are invading Lili right now and I hope my age and maturity would restrain me from acting in the way she's acting. But, at 18? my dad wouldn't have been able to deal with me, he'd be public enemy no. 1.
And that's why her behavior doesn't even annoy me. Even if I never truly liked Cristina and I love Victoria and Jose Ángel together.
All this has been talked about several times here and I know I'm repeating that same reasoning for Liliana but I haven't really heard anybody express they would act in the same way in simmilar circumstances. And there's a difference between understanding something in an intellectual way and putting yourself in that same wave of feelings and emotions that make your thoughts and actions become irrational.
So, I'll admit it, I would be Liliana. I'd be that girl everybody in the patio is annoyed with. And even if I wouldn't do it now that I'm an adult, I'd still have those moments dwelling on some negative feelings by myself during those usual times of solitary reflexion.
Maybe it's more a Mexican thing but the mother and child bond is so powerful that it blinds you some times.
Jarocha
I can never get too mad with Lili for her attitude, even though I agree that it's very negative.
I just can't help but put myself in her place and I'd be extremely hurt if my father moved on so quickly from my mother after her tragic death. Especially if it is with someone my mother believed he was cheating on her and I knew that was the cause of great suffering in her last months of life.
Even though I'm an adult now, my greatest nightmare is still losing my mother and knowing she was in pain before her death would be crushing. I'd probably have all those bitter feelings that are invading Lili right now and I hope my age and maturity would restrain me from acting in the way she's acting. But, at 18? my dad wouldn't have been able to deal with me, he'd be public enemy no. 1.
And that's why her behavior doesn't even annoy me. Even if I never truly liked Cristina and I love Victoria and Jose Ángel together.
All this has been talked about several times here and I know I'm repeating that same reasoning for Liliana but I haven't really heard anybody express they would act in the same way in simmilar circumstances. And there's a difference between understanding something in an intellectual way and putting yourself in that same wave of feelings and emotions that make your thoughts and actions become irrational.
So, I'll admit it, I would be Liliana. I'd be that girl everybody in the patio is annoyed with. And even if I wouldn't do it now that I'm an adult, I'd still have those moments dwelling on some negative feelings by myself during those usual times of solitary reflexion.
Maybe it's more a Mexican thing but the mother and child bond is so powerful that it blinds you some times.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 11:20:00 AM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 11:20:00 AM EDT
It is painful to watch JA and Lili go through this phase of separation and bitterness. But it's not really any different than other teenagers who go through phases when they fight with a parent. I was a good kid, and I even butted heads with my mother constantly during a few of those years. It didn't mean I loved her any less or didn't appreciate her, but we were seeing things very differently, and she was having a hard time letting me make my own decisions. Same as JA and Lili. Lili even told him last night that of course she loves him.
But then she crossed the line into disrespect with her last comment, and it's good for him to call her out on it. I remember in the beginning Nikki was just as, if not more, cruel with her words to her supermami. And she wasn't even a teen! They got past it and over it.
But then she crossed the line into disrespect with her last comment, and it's good for him to call her out on it. I remember in the beginning Nikki was just as, if not more, cruel with her words to her supermami. And she wasn't even a teen! They got past it and over it.
Aribeth, can't wait for recap I'm sure that it will be spectacular.
I am happy that Paula didn't suffer. If I could chose my death I won't mind going like that. Paula grew into a tolerable character of late.
Why didn't Anibal and Kendra hook up, that are definitely Tal para cual? Eck!
I am happy that Paula didn't suffer. If I could chose my death I won't mind going like that. Paula grew into a tolerable character of late.
Why didn't Anibal and Kendra hook up, that are definitely Tal para cual? Eck!
Jarocha - Totally agree with all you said. I would be like Lili too.
Aribeth - Nope, it doesn't neutralize 18 years of love and nurturing. But it does put one in a pi**ed-off, let's-take-a-break-from-each-other-for-awhile mood.
Aribeth - Nope, it doesn't neutralize 18 years of love and nurturing. But it does put one in a pi**ed-off, let's-take-a-break-from-each-other-for-awhile mood.
Jarocha-
Your comment came in while I was typing. Thanks for being so honest. I think part of it is cultural as you mention (close ties to mothers in Mexico), but also totally normal in most places.
The mother of one of my best friends died when she was 18 too, and she NEVER warmed up to the woman her father started dating less than a year later, and then lived with for almost 20 years afterwards. I can totally see any teen or young person holding a HUGE grudge against their father if he took up with another woman (suspected by her mother of being his lover) just a few months after the mother's sudden death.
I was not as much of a hot head as Lili as a teen, and pretty mature for my age, so I think I would have had a lot of calm/teary conversations with my dad asking him if he's sure, and wanting to know how he could move on so quickly. I have a different sense about love now—that you should hold on to it when you find it, because it's so rare/hard to find. But I did not think the same way when I was a teen, and would have been shocked and confused had I seen my dad move on so quickly.
Your comment came in while I was typing. Thanks for being so honest. I think part of it is cultural as you mention (close ties to mothers in Mexico), but also totally normal in most places.
The mother of one of my best friends died when she was 18 too, and she NEVER warmed up to the woman her father started dating less than a year later, and then lived with for almost 20 years afterwards. I can totally see any teen or young person holding a HUGE grudge against their father if he took up with another woman (suspected by her mother of being his lover) just a few months after the mother's sudden death.
I was not as much of a hot head as Lili as a teen, and pretty mature for my age, so I think I would have had a lot of calm/teary conversations with my dad asking him if he's sure, and wanting to know how he could move on so quickly. I have a different sense about love now—that you should hold on to it when you find it, because it's so rare/hard to find. But I did not think the same way when I was a teen, and would have been shocked and confused had I seen my dad move on so quickly.
I rewatched the bowl scene. Geez, it was so stupid, what were the scriptwriter and the director drinking? What was this scene supposed to represent in their minds? Was Arriaga supposed to show Vicky that he's officially over his "if you and Cris are sisters, then we are over" statements?
He should've just put that damn ring down.
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I think Arriaga understands Lili, and tries to respect her feelings. It's actually a well written situation, even if the reactions of the characters are overdramatized.
And yes, she's a young girl, who doesn't understand it yet that despite of what happened (and what didn't happen) between Cristina and Arriaga, he's still the father who always loved her and treated her well, and who never abused either physically or emotionally. I also get it that Cris's early death made her forget all the human flaws of her mom, and now she treats her like a saint or a martyr. It's a natural reaction when a kid loses a parent.
But I'm still annoyed with her behaviour, the same way I rolled my eyes when Nikki was acting like a real ungrateful sh*thead during her "I'm gonna marry Roy because I'm an adult, and my daddy and tatito told me I can do whatever I want" phase. I'm not her father, it's not my job to to be patient with her and love her unconditionally. :)
In my opinion if she didn't have the opportunity to separate from her dad, they would've reconciled already. It's easier to maintain resentment when you don't see each other all the time.
He should've just put that damn ring down.
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I think Arriaga understands Lili, and tries to respect her feelings. It's actually a well written situation, even if the reactions of the characters are overdramatized.
And yes, she's a young girl, who doesn't understand it yet that despite of what happened (and what didn't happen) between Cristina and Arriaga, he's still the father who always loved her and treated her well, and who never abused either physically or emotionally. I also get it that Cris's early death made her forget all the human flaws of her mom, and now she treats her like a saint or a martyr. It's a natural reaction when a kid loses a parent.
But I'm still annoyed with her behaviour, the same way I rolled my eyes when Nikki was acting like a real ungrateful sh*thead during her "I'm gonna marry Roy because I'm an adult, and my daddy and tatito told me I can do whatever I want" phase. I'm not her father, it's not my job to to be patient with her and love her unconditionally. :)
In my opinion if she didn't have the opportunity to separate from her dad, they would've reconciled already. It's easier to maintain resentment when you don't see each other all the time.
I think it’s easier for me to sympathize with 18 year old Lili, who was a good, hardworking kid, now going through major growing pains after a parent’s death, than it was for me to sympathize with 22 year old Nikki, who had plenty of opportunities in life but never made any real efforts to do anything with herself (until now), going through her rough patch (which looks like it lasted from the time she was 12 till she was 22).
It’s not like I don’t get that “los ricos tambien lloran”, or that rich pretty girls can also feel insecure. But I’ve always been a believer that when things are going wrong, you don’t sit around crying poor me (or vomiting). You dig in and work harder (which is what Lili is doing, even as other parts of her life are falling apart), and get through it. So, while I can see myself reacting to situations at age 18 similar to how Lili is (even if it’s wrong), I cannot see myself behaving the same way Nikki did when I was 22. I was done with college and in the Peace Corps at that age.
It’s not like I don’t get that “los ricos tambien lloran”, or that rich pretty girls can also feel insecure. But I’ve always been a believer that when things are going wrong, you don’t sit around crying poor me (or vomiting). You dig in and work harder (which is what Lili is doing, even as other parts of her life are falling apart), and get through it. So, while I can see myself reacting to situations at age 18 similar to how Lili is (even if it’s wrong), I cannot see myself behaving the same way Nikki did when I was 22. I was done with college and in the Peace Corps at that age.
By the way, I love how Nikki has turned her life around and is now hard working and giving back to others. Now, she's my kind of gal!
Nikki/Lili:
Not that I don't appreciate Lili's ways better, but here's the deal: it's more natural to grow up to be a hardworking person when you don't have other choices.
The Arriagas weren't rich, they didn't have servants, and they lived in a little pueblo where everyone knew everyone. Lili surely worked much around the household, and I guess if she wanted to buy something expensive, she had to earn the money by herself. Her parents set up a good example, and I'm sure she had many opportunities to work in that nice little village. And if/when she had went to a college while they were still there, she wouldn't have had other choice but to finish it, and finish it in time.
At the Balvanera household Nikki never had to work. Both her parents (and even her grandfather) are passionate about their professions, but only Victoria tried to raise her properly, while Nelson and Aníbal spoiled her rotten. She had more opportunities, but when she failed them, she didn't have to face grim consequences (financial breakdown, impoverishment, losing her home). She always had a second chance. And when you always have a second chance, it's easier to take some things less seriously and fail. But thanks to all these things she didn't know what she was capable of, she didn't learn to work hard, and she thought she was a useless trash - which lead to her to bulimia, self-hate and bullying others.
While I find Nikki's sudden success with her blog fairy-tale-like and unrealistic, she's still a good example of a human who failed many times on many fields, but overcame the obstacles and became a better person.
(And of course there are poor kids who are lazy slobs, and rich kids who are hardworking. :))
Not that I don't appreciate Lili's ways better, but here's the deal: it's more natural to grow up to be a hardworking person when you don't have other choices.
The Arriagas weren't rich, they didn't have servants, and they lived in a little pueblo where everyone knew everyone. Lili surely worked much around the household, and I guess if she wanted to buy something expensive, she had to earn the money by herself. Her parents set up a good example, and I'm sure she had many opportunities to work in that nice little village. And if/when she had went to a college while they were still there, she wouldn't have had other choice but to finish it, and finish it in time.
At the Balvanera household Nikki never had to work. Both her parents (and even her grandfather) are passionate about their professions, but only Victoria tried to raise her properly, while Nelson and Aníbal spoiled her rotten. She had more opportunities, but when she failed them, she didn't have to face grim consequences (financial breakdown, impoverishment, losing her home). She always had a second chance. And when you always have a second chance, it's easier to take some things less seriously and fail. But thanks to all these things she didn't know what she was capable of, she didn't learn to work hard, and she thought she was a useless trash - which lead to her to bulimia, self-hate and bullying others.
While I find Nikki's sudden success with her blog fairy-tale-like and unrealistic, she's still a good example of a human who failed many times on many fields, but overcame the obstacles and became a better person.
(And of course there are poor kids who are lazy slobs, and rich kids who are hardworking. :))
Wow, I enjoyed reading these comments.Vivi, Aribeth', and Jaracho, I am betting that you were on the debate team in school. You are all extremely good at presenting your views and defending them.
As for mother/child relationships, after many years of teaching people from other countries, I have come to believe that parents (especially mothers) are revered and respected more in some cultures than in the American culture. I have especially noticed this with my middle eastern and Latino students.
Mothers and daughters , at least in the U.S., often have complicated relationships. I have two daughters. The elder one and I often butted heads when she was a teen. However, after she went away to college, and then to New Jersey, New York City, and finally Toronto, she seemed to appreciate me much more and we are very close, especially since her own daughter was born 8 months go. On the other hand, my younger daughter and I were very close when she was growing up. ...very little teenage rebellion on her part. She was always very laid back and mellow. However, the last few years have been hard for her due to marrying and now divorcing a bad guy, so our relationship has been strained lately. Her personality changed a lot dealing with someone who has a lot of problems. Luckily, she seems to be getting back on her feet and her usually sweet personality seems to be returning. The key to family relationships is unconditional love...you can love someone even when you do not like that person very much at the moment. Angel has never given up on Lili. As I have said in our situation..."this family is breaking up over my cold, dead body. " I will not allow anyone to break up this family. I love my family no matter what ....para siempre.
As for mother/child relationships, after many years of teaching people from other countries, I have come to believe that parents (especially mothers) are revered and respected more in some cultures than in the American culture. I have especially noticed this with my middle eastern and Latino students.
Mothers and daughters , at least in the U.S., often have complicated relationships. I have two daughters. The elder one and I often butted heads when she was a teen. However, after she went away to college, and then to New Jersey, New York City, and finally Toronto, she seemed to appreciate me much more and we are very close, especially since her own daughter was born 8 months go. On the other hand, my younger daughter and I were very close when she was growing up. ...very little teenage rebellion on her part. She was always very laid back and mellow. However, the last few years have been hard for her due to marrying and now divorcing a bad guy, so our relationship has been strained lately. Her personality changed a lot dealing with someone who has a lot of problems. Luckily, she seems to be getting back on her feet and her usually sweet personality seems to be returning. The key to family relationships is unconditional love...you can love someone even when you do not like that person very much at the moment. Angel has never given up on Lili. As I have said in our situation..."this family is breaking up over my cold, dead body. " I will not allow anyone to break up this family. I love my family no matter what ....para siempre.
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 1:30:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 1:30:00 PM EDT
Aribeth---I'm thanking you in advance.
Yes---like others, I saw JA throw the ring down. My interpretation of it was---It's gonna be a HOT night with Victoria and I don't want any memories of Cristina around to screw it up. A little careless of Cris's memory on his part I think.
And speaking of Cris and her memory
Jorocha---I totally agree with your comments about Lili. Yes she is young, confused and hurt by her fathers actions. I absolutely understand the hurt and resentment that she has been feeling towards Vikki and her father. I have been in the Lili camp for a long time and I won't desert her now. Maybe--
when she gets hurt tonight, that could bring about some big changes in attitudes.---If Lili is seriously hurt, who will run the nursery. Will Roy drop out of the tennis tournment to be by Lili's side and run the nursery while she is injured? Must see tv.
One last thing---It seems like Nikki is really maturing after her I don't want to live in this pigsty comment which almost caused her to loose the one she really loves. I think that she has come to realize that there is more to life than a fancy mansion with expensive things all around. Her blog is also going a long way in her changing attitude. For the very first time, she is helping others--a good sign.
Oh! I almost forgot Paula. As the party was progressing I was thinking, how nice. And then----
Well, the writers missed it with the ring toss but they sent Paula out in the nicest way possible, in a moment of happiness with her family and friends.
the gringo
Yes---like others, I saw JA throw the ring down. My interpretation of it was---It's gonna be a HOT night with Victoria and I don't want any memories of Cristina around to screw it up. A little careless of Cris's memory on his part I think.
And speaking of Cris and her memory
Jorocha---I totally agree with your comments about Lili. Yes she is young, confused and hurt by her fathers actions. I absolutely understand the hurt and resentment that she has been feeling towards Vikki and her father. I have been in the Lili camp for a long time and I won't desert her now. Maybe--
when she gets hurt tonight, that could bring about some big changes in attitudes.---If Lili is seriously hurt, who will run the nursery. Will Roy drop out of the tennis tournment to be by Lili's side and run the nursery while she is injured? Must see tv.
One last thing---It seems like Nikki is really maturing after her I don't want to live in this pigsty comment which almost caused her to loose the one she really loves. I think that she has come to realize that there is more to life than a fancy mansion with expensive things all around. Her blog is also going a long way in her changing attitude. For the very first time, she is helping others--a good sign.
Oh! I almost forgot Paula. As the party was progressing I was thinking, how nice. And then----
Well, the writers missed it with the ring toss but they sent Paula out in the nicest way possible, in a moment of happiness with her family and friends.
the gringo
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 1:50:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 1:50:00 PM EDT
Okay, I'm back.
So, again, I try to put into words what my problem with Lili's feelings is. First of all, we all speak from a personal staindpoint, and we all view the happenings of the show from our personal experiences.
For example, when it comes to relationships and cheating, I'm very tolerant towards certain life situations that are in the grey area. (For the record: I never cheated on anyone.) But I guess if I had been ever cheated upon, or if I had come from a broken home, I would've been affected by it, and I may have had a different opinion.
But here's what I feel about Lili's grudge against Arriaga:
"When you were 18, your parents had marital problems? And when your mother tragically died, and your dad moved on way too quickly? That's your big tragedy? REALLY? Oh, you poor little girl, cry me a river. Come back, when you have to face real problems, like, you know, a gambling father, a mother who abandoned you when you were 12, an alcoholic, a control freak, a father who gave your baby away, emotional abuse, or something like that."
Lili had a perfect childhood with a perfect father. Until she lost her home and her mother, she had no idea what it was like to suffer. So she can spare me with her self-righteous "woe me, my daddy abandoned us" act. Yes, she's a teenager, and intellectually I understand her situation. And I know that our own problems are the biggest in the world: so for example, when I feel down, the thought that there are millions who have much more serious problems won't make me feel better or more grateful. (The human brain can be tricked that easily.) I get it that from her point of view she's right. But in this specific father-daughter case she gets zero sympathy from me.
So, again, I try to put into words what my problem with Lili's feelings is. First of all, we all speak from a personal staindpoint, and we all view the happenings of the show from our personal experiences.
For example, when it comes to relationships and cheating, I'm very tolerant towards certain life situations that are in the grey area. (For the record: I never cheated on anyone.) But I guess if I had been ever cheated upon, or if I had come from a broken home, I would've been affected by it, and I may have had a different opinion.
But here's what I feel about Lili's grudge against Arriaga:
"When you were 18, your parents had marital problems? And when your mother tragically died, and your dad moved on way too quickly? That's your big tragedy? REALLY? Oh, you poor little girl, cry me a river. Come back, when you have to face real problems, like, you know, a gambling father, a mother who abandoned you when you were 12, an alcoholic, a control freak, a father who gave your baby away, emotional abuse, or something like that."
Lili had a perfect childhood with a perfect father. Until she lost her home and her mother, she had no idea what it was like to suffer. So she can spare me with her self-righteous "woe me, my daddy abandoned us" act. Yes, she's a teenager, and intellectually I understand her situation. And I know that our own problems are the biggest in the world: so for example, when I feel down, the thought that there are millions who have much more serious problems won't make me feel better or more grateful. (The human brain can be tricked that easily.) I get it that from her point of view she's right. But in this specific father-daughter case she gets zero sympathy from me.
Paula went out playing the piece of music she and Francisco liked so much (and one of my childhood favorites)--Chopin: Waltz in C Sharp Minor, Op. 64 No. 2.
I, too, would have liked a little more story of the intervening months--especially how Adri managed to protect herself from Anibal, JA and Vikki sharing her pregnancy (since he was so excited to go to the first doc appt) and how Vikki dealt with Lili's anger after Poli spilled the beans (they shouldn't have made such a big deal of it if they were just going to ignore it later.)
Cande was kvetching that here she and Anyoldballs were married por el civil, they were still living in separate houses. Maybe the heart doc didn't give the ok to resume having sex.
Aribeth--Looking forward to a good recap, there's still so much to discuss.
I, too, would have liked a little more story of the intervening months--especially how Adri managed to protect herself from Anibal, JA and Vikki sharing her pregnancy (since he was so excited to go to the first doc appt) and how Vikki dealt with Lili's anger after Poli spilled the beans (they shouldn't have made such a big deal of it if they were just going to ignore it later.)
Cande was kvetching that here she and Anyoldballs were married por el civil, they were still living in separate houses. Maybe the heart doc didn't give the ok to resume having sex.
Aribeth--Looking forward to a good recap, there's still so much to discuss.
Thanks, everyone, for clarifying for me that I wasn't crazy. I missed the time jump note, so I was fairly jolted when we went straight from Paula dropping dead to Guzmancito and Nikki giggling in bed. It was nice for her that she went so quickly, and at such a pleasant moment, too. That's how I'd want to depart.
I understand Lili's hurt and anger, but avoiding her loving father for SIX MONTHS is taking it way too far, to me. I wonder how her profitable relationship with Anibalic and with Cande will fare when she finds out they were responsible for separating her from her birth mother.
Nelson's and Kendra's outrageous sense of entitlement astounds me. I wish someone would "humiliate" me by giving me a free luxury apartment. Somehow I think I could get over that kind of spite!
Adriana needs to run into Vicente soon. I wonder if Lili would feel the call of the blood with him, too. Worst case would be she finds him attractive and decides to replace Guzmi in her fantasies. Ew.
I understand Lili's hurt and anger, but avoiding her loving father for SIX MONTHS is taking it way too far, to me. I wonder how her profitable relationship with Anibalic and with Cande will fare when she finds out they were responsible for separating her from her birth mother.
Nelson's and Kendra's outrageous sense of entitlement astounds me. I wish someone would "humiliate" me by giving me a free luxury apartment. Somehow I think I could get over that kind of spite!
Adriana needs to run into Vicente soon. I wonder if Lili would feel the call of the blood with him, too. Worst case would be she finds him attractive and decides to replace Guzmi in her fantasies. Ew.
The comments have been very touching and heartfelt.
Aribeth, "First of all, we all speak from a personal staindpoint, and we all view the happenings of the show from our personal experiences". Exactly.
I am a very private person but actually shared this once before. I'm a little reluctant to do so again, but the discussion is so compelling, I feel I have to. As a young child of divorce due to infidelity (with a pregnant mother), it took decades for me to forgive my father. Our family was devastated, but never decimated. My mother assured that would not happen with her "unconditional love" (thanks Susanlynn).
Jarocha: "And there's a difference between understanding something in an intellectual way and putting yourself in that same wave of feelings and emotions that make your thoughts and actions become irrational". So true.
Lili is good person who has been dealt a series of devastating blows. But she is a young woman, not a child. She is old enough to possess the maturity to respect the decision of her devoted father, who has shown his love for her every day of her life. She must shed her anger and bitterness so that she can move forward with her life as well. In her heart, I believe she knows nothing happened with JA and Vicky until Cris passed. Cris will always be in her heart and their bond will never be broken. Acceptance does not mean betrayal.
gringo: "Yes---like others, I saw JA throw the ring down. My interpretation of it was---It's gonna be a HOT night with Victoria and I don't want any memories of Cristina around to screw it up. A little careless of Cris's memory on his part I think." Insightful theory, and you may very well be right! I always enjoy your comments and this was no exception.
I enjoyed every single comment.
Diana
Aribeth, "First of all, we all speak from a personal staindpoint, and we all view the happenings of the show from our personal experiences". Exactly.
I am a very private person but actually shared this once before. I'm a little reluctant to do so again, but the discussion is so compelling, I feel I have to. As a young child of divorce due to infidelity (with a pregnant mother), it took decades for me to forgive my father. Our family was devastated, but never decimated. My mother assured that would not happen with her "unconditional love" (thanks Susanlynn).
Jarocha: "And there's a difference between understanding something in an intellectual way and putting yourself in that same wave of feelings and emotions that make your thoughts and actions become irrational". So true.
Lili is good person who has been dealt a series of devastating blows. But she is a young woman, not a child. She is old enough to possess the maturity to respect the decision of her devoted father, who has shown his love for her every day of her life. She must shed her anger and bitterness so that she can move forward with her life as well. In her heart, I believe she knows nothing happened with JA and Vicky until Cris passed. Cris will always be in her heart and their bond will never be broken. Acceptance does not mean betrayal.
gringo: "Yes---like others, I saw JA throw the ring down. My interpretation of it was---It's gonna be a HOT night with Victoria and I don't want any memories of Cristina around to screw it up. A little careless of Cris's memory on his part I think." Insightful theory, and you may very well be right! I always enjoy your comments and this was no exception.
I enjoyed every single comment.
Diana
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 2:40:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 2:40:00 PM EDT
I have been away and separated from my regular computer so have been lurking, but I want to thank the recappers for the last two weeks, so good!
Yes, Arriega throwing the ring in a bowl was a total lapse by the writers, I mean, hey, this is the guy that several times went to his wife's graveside and wept. They obviously were having some kind of amnesia.
Yes, Arriega throwing the ring in a bowl was a total lapse by the writers, I mean, hey, this is the guy that several times went to his wife's graveside and wept. They obviously were having some kind of amnesia.
Vivi: sorry, I realized I wasn't specific enough. I hope I can put it into words properly.
I wasn't talking about the loss of her mother, which is indeed a tragedy, but her relationship with Arriaga. Because there weren't real tragedies in that relationship. He didn't kill her mother. He didn't abuse either of them. He was a fantastic father to her. Yes, after 20 years of marriage he and Cris grew apart. He fell in love with someone else. He and Cris struggled. And yes, when your marriage is on the rocks, you suffer, so yeah, her mother was suffering in her last months. Things like that happen very often. Even if Lili doesn't believe he didn't sleep with Victoria while Cris was alive, she shouldn't treat him like that for six months.
Lili lost her mother, which was a horrible heartbreak, and she also lost her home - but aside from these two big losses, she never had to suffer from those emotional scars that other ordinary children suffer from. She has no idea what a perfect childhood she had. She holds such a stronge grudge against her father that is based solely on his relationship status, and that is way over the top for me. There are people who had more serious problems with their family members/friends/loved ones, yet they don't treat them like they were yesterday news. And I am one of those people.
She loves her dad, and I'm sure if something happened to Arriaga (that's not a spoiler), she would be in the hospital with him. (Okay, I hope so.) But do we really need tragedies to realize how much we love and need certain people?
I wasn't talking about the loss of her mother, which is indeed a tragedy, but her relationship with Arriaga. Because there weren't real tragedies in that relationship. He didn't kill her mother. He didn't abuse either of them. He was a fantastic father to her. Yes, after 20 years of marriage he and Cris grew apart. He fell in love with someone else. He and Cris struggled. And yes, when your marriage is on the rocks, you suffer, so yeah, her mother was suffering in her last months. Things like that happen very often. Even if Lili doesn't believe he didn't sleep with Victoria while Cris was alive, she shouldn't treat him like that for six months.
Lili lost her mother, which was a horrible heartbreak, and she also lost her home - but aside from these two big losses, she never had to suffer from those emotional scars that other ordinary children suffer from. She has no idea what a perfect childhood she had. She holds such a stronge grudge against her father that is based solely on his relationship status, and that is way over the top for me. There are people who had more serious problems with their family members/friends/loved ones, yet they don't treat them like they were yesterday news. And I am one of those people.
She loves her dad, and I'm sure if something happened to Arriaga (that's not a spoiler), she would be in the hospital with him. (Okay, I hope so.) But do we really need tragedies to realize how much we love and need certain people?
Lots of fascinating talk about Ratiana's difficulty in adjusting to being a rich snobby brat. Poor baby.
For me the most frightening thing was Aníbal muttering to himself about perhaps needing a way to shut Cande up once and for all. Could he possibly mean...? Nah... that would be unthinkable...she's the love of his life.
Carlos
For me the most frightening thing was Aníbal muttering to himself about perhaps needing a way to shut Cande up once and for all. Could he possibly mean...? Nah... that would be unthinkable...she's the love of his life.
Carlos
"Cande was kvetching that here she and Anyoldballs were married por el civil, they were still living in separate houses."
I thought it was strange for Cande to accept those living arrangements of NOT living together.
Honestly, I doubt Anibal wants to live with Cande . We all know he is only doing this to keep her quiet. As soon as he no longer needs to control her, he'll drop her like a hot potato.
I thought it was strange for Cande to accept those living arrangements of NOT living together.
Honestly, I doubt Anibal wants to live with Cande . We all know he is only doing this to keep her quiet. As soon as he no longer needs to control her, he'll drop her like a hot potato.
I think Anyballs would absolutely get rid of Cande if he thought it would benefit his stupid schemes somehow. He may claim she's the love of his life, but he doesn't love anyone. He is supremely narcissistic.
I'm guessing that after Lili is attacked, Adri and Vicente will meet again at her bedside in the hospital. Any bets on whether she will need a transfusion or transplant?
I'm guessing that after Lili is attacked, Adri and Vicente will meet again at her bedside in the hospital. Any bets on whether she will need a transfusion or transplant?
The look on Lili's face last night worries me. She could easily turn into one of those twisted true crime perps we read about or see on "Dateline", who decide to kill their father's new love, yadda yadda yadda. I got a little creeped out by our Disney Orchid last night when she turned into Wicked Witch of the South.
I thought it was Cande who was insisting on separate homes until they are married in the church. I wasn't listening very closely, though. And even with the "love of his life", Anyballs is still imperious. He TOLD Cande the day they're getting the priest to marry them. He didn't suggest the date, or tell her the priest has an opening that day and ask if that works for her. Just told her that is when they are getting married. Ugh. Can he get zapped already?
Yes, it is Cande who doesn't want to live together until they are married by the Church. And she doesn't want to live in the BV mansion once they do. That's why he gave her a set of keys to their new, more simple, house, where they will supposedly live when they get hitched via a priest. I bet they never actually walk down that aisle. Anibal would absolutely bump her off to keep her mouth shut, and his butt out of jail.
Part one is up.
I added many photos of Paula. I liked her much despite her huge flaws. It's so sad that she and Frankie couldn't spend more time together.
I added many photos of Paula. I liked her much despite her huge flaws. It's so sad that she and Frankie couldn't spend more time together.
Hi all, usually I'm just lurking here reading all wonderful recaps and comments.
I'd like to add the Lili situation that I'm mostly on Aribeth's side ITA with all the yes she suffered, but get over it already. JA never cheated on Chris their relationship just grew cold and Lili should not treat her papa (who loved and cherished her for 18 years) thusly. Much worse things have happened to ppl.
It is like 18 years of caring and loving just go down in the sewage in a minute. WHAT??! She became a spolled brat overnight, acting a lot like Nikki at the beginning and I do not like this character change. She's going to land hard when all Anibal's secrets come to light and currenty I'd say she deserves it.
As my own experience my parents divorced when I was 6 and I grew up with my mom. It was an ugly thing and for years neither could say anything nice about the other, there was a lot of blaming the other, and calling names I never wish this situation for anybody.
However I always knew I can lean on my dad, and even among the worst fights with my mom, he always came for us (I have a brother too) and spent days and vacations with us and tried to be there as much as he could.
What happened between them is a different story but the loving and caring for the children not disappearing when a relationship brakes up between the parents. At least not supposed to.
So I just cannot side with Lili as much as she is hurt, boo-hoo she's 18 and should grow up, act like and adult and not treat his father as she does.
I'd like to add the Lili situation that I'm mostly on Aribeth's side ITA with all the yes she suffered, but get over it already. JA never cheated on Chris their relationship just grew cold and Lili should not treat her papa (who loved and cherished her for 18 years) thusly. Much worse things have happened to ppl.
It is like 18 years of caring and loving just go down in the sewage in a minute. WHAT??! She became a spolled brat overnight, acting a lot like Nikki at the beginning and I do not like this character change. She's going to land hard when all Anibal's secrets come to light and currenty I'd say she deserves it.
As my own experience my parents divorced when I was 6 and I grew up with my mom. It was an ugly thing and for years neither could say anything nice about the other, there was a lot of blaming the other, and calling names I never wish this situation for anybody.
However I always knew I can lean on my dad, and even among the worst fights with my mom, he always came for us (I have a brother too) and spent days and vacations with us and tried to be there as much as he could.
What happened between them is a different story but the loving and caring for the children not disappearing when a relationship brakes up between the parents. At least not supposed to.
So I just cannot side with Lili as much as she is hurt, boo-hoo she's 18 and should grow up, act like and adult and not treat his father as she does.
Okay, I figured out my TV viewing problem: the screen is only 24" wide and 12" high and I sit fifteen feet away from it. No wonder. Gah. I'm even further away from the TV screen in my sewing room, and that screen is even smaller. No wonder I prefer to watch no-brainers on the sewing room TV, like Shaun of the Dead and romantic comedies. Sheesh...
The thing about Guillo being so annoying is that most kids are annoying unless they are your own kid(s). That's how it was when our son was growing up. My friends agreed, too. LOL We each thought our own kid was wonderful and all those other kids were just "yuck." So poor Guillo, because he is not related to any of us, draws the short straw. Pobrecito de él.
Aribeth - well done on part one! Great screen caps, too.
The thing about Guillo being so annoying is that most kids are annoying unless they are your own kid(s). That's how it was when our son was growing up. My friends agreed, too. LOL We each thought our own kid was wonderful and all those other kids were just "yuck." So poor Guillo, because he is not related to any of us, draws the short straw. Pobrecito de él.
Aribeth - well done on part one! Great screen caps, too.
Thanks Aribeth. Well done.
I felt a bit cheated when things just jumped forward as they did last night. Not even a shot of the Houston skyline while Nelson and Kendra were here? No BBQ? No seafood? No trip to Karancho's on Sheldon Road?
I love how Polita broke the big news to Roxana:
"Ay amiga, your daddy knocked Ms. Vicky up!"
Straight to the point.
Carlos
I felt a bit cheated when things just jumped forward as they did last night. Not even a shot of the Houston skyline while Nelson and Kendra were here? No BBQ? No seafood? No trip to Karancho's on Sheldon Road?
I love how Polita broke the big news to Roxana:
"Ay amiga, your daddy knocked Ms. Vicky up!"
Straight to the point.
Carlos
Doris, aside from your screen size issue, I'm jealous of your sewing room that is more than 15 feet. I need a sewing room. I have sewing stuff spread all over my living/dining room. I'm not sure it's possible to get more than 15 ft from the television screen in my place.
Great part 1 Aribeth. A good send off for Paula, who started off soggy and whiney, but ended up soggy and redeemed. By the end, she learned to stop being all "me, me, me", and learned to start giving (her love, time, support). I too wish she and Guzman had had more time together. But at least they ended on excellent terms.
Yeah, Polita is the best person to have around when you want to know all the gossip. And she never sugar coats the truth. :)
Irisz- I'm not saying Lili is right or that I agree with her. But in the real world, her attitude is not so far off the mark. We all know she'll come around eventually. Her hard veneer has cracked quite a few times, even this episode when she got all teary and told her dad how much she loves him. Then she put on a (false) tough attitude again. She's being immature. But isn't immaturity a stage on the way to maturity?
Yeah, Polita is the best person to have around when you want to know all the gossip. And she never sugar coats the truth. :)
Irisz- I'm not saying Lili is right or that I agree with her. But in the real world, her attitude is not so far off the mark. We all know she'll come around eventually. Her hard veneer has cracked quite a few times, even this episode when she got all teary and told her dad how much she loves him. Then she put on a (false) tough attitude again. She's being immature. But isn't immaturity a stage on the way to maturity?
Yep, folks, memory lapse on who was commenting on their living arrangements. And I did hear that son-of-a-gun saying that he will shut Cande up later because Adri is nevva evva going to find out about Liliana. Anyballs has Lili right where he wants her, a "legitimate" Balvanera granddaughter, so he can spoil her the way he spoiled Nikki.
The shutting up or shutting away was really cold-blooded. Maybe I heard wrong, but it sounded to me as though he would gaslight her and put her in a manicomio.
If you think that holding a grudge for 6 mos and not talking to your dad for taking up with another woman so quickly, remember that Adri holds a prize--18+ years of estrangement--punishing her father for ruining her life. Not in the same ballpark, but I see a slight parallel here. I wonder how long Lili will put Anibal in the doghouse for what he did.....
The shutting up or shutting away was really cold-blooded. Maybe I heard wrong, but it sounded to me as though he would gaslight her and put her in a manicomio.
If you think that holding a grudge for 6 mos and not talking to your dad for taking up with another woman so quickly, remember that Adri holds a prize--18+ years of estrangement--punishing her father for ruining her life. Not in the same ballpark, but I see a slight parallel here. I wonder how long Lili will put Anibal in the doghouse for what he did.....
I think actually it's Ms. Vikki who holds or held the prize for hating Paula ("That Woman") for twenty years. :)
We have quite a few record-holding grudge-holders in this tn-- Vicky, Adri, and Frankie. JA better hope Lili doesn't have their staying power! LOL! 6 months is nothing compared to them.
Vivi:
I was too very mature when it came to responsabilities, work and school as a teen too but I was a mess when it came to feelings. And I didn't actually have such a good relationship with my father as Liliana had with hers but that was mostly because he has a very difficult personality and temperament, which took me a long time to understand and accept.
I wasn't completely sheltered to the world. I lived and went to school among people who were less fortunate than myself and I saw very bad thigs. But I was immature and I think the familiarity of that environment made me dismissive of it sometime. I think it was until I started college that I began putting a perspective of the things I lived through as a child and witnessed as a teenager, which I thought I understood then but never truly comprehended until I somehow substracted myself from them and saw that some friends were left behind in lives and circumstances that I'd never want for myself. That was when I truly realized how lucky I was.
Aribeth:
I'm off to read the recap! I've been writing this comment for an hour due to an email I needed to send. Good thing it wasn't posted, I think. Sometimes blogger is tricky.
Jarocha
I was too very mature when it came to responsabilities, work and school as a teen too but I was a mess when it came to feelings. And I didn't actually have such a good relationship with my father as Liliana had with hers but that was mostly because he has a very difficult personality and temperament, which took me a long time to understand and accept.
I wasn't completely sheltered to the world. I lived and went to school among people who were less fortunate than myself and I saw very bad thigs. But I was immature and I think the familiarity of that environment made me dismissive of it sometime. I think it was until I started college that I began putting a perspective of the things I lived through as a child and witnessed as a teenager, which I thought I understood then but never truly comprehended until I somehow substracted myself from them and saw that some friends were left behind in lives and circumstances that I'd never want for myself. That was when I truly realized how lucky I was.
Aribeth:
I'm off to read the recap! I've been writing this comment for an hour due to an email I needed to send. Good thing it wasn't posted, I think. Sometimes blogger is tricky.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 4:44:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 4:44:00 PM EDT
Odette's been grudging against Anibal for about 40 years? No idea what will happen, but I would love to see her roll in on her wheelchair and dump on him when it hits the fan.
Niecie- Oh yes! Odette wins the grudge prize. She'll even take her grudge out on her enemy's kids, who had nothing to do with their beef.
Aribeth:
I loved the recap and pictures. It was so nice to see Jose Ángel and Victoria together having a delightful evening. Nice of them to not hump each other in Malú's presence since her voice is an aphrodisiac for those two.
I love the picture of the little cakes, that was cute. Sad for Beatríz and Francisco to lose their mom but at least she got some wonderful moments with her children before she died.
Jarocha
I loved the recap and pictures. It was so nice to see Jose Ángel and Victoria together having a delightful evening. Nice of them to not hump each other in Malú's presence since her voice is an aphrodisiac for those two.
I love the picture of the little cakes, that was cute. Sad for Beatríz and Francisco to lose their mom but at least she got some wonderful moments with her children before she died.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 5:04:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 5:04:00 PM EDT
Thanks so much, Aribeth! Wonderful job!
As I watched Polita in action tonight, I imagined how a skilled cartoonist might depict her as a giant pair of ears and a correspondingly large mouth.
Just as earlier, Vivi and Sara pointed out that Opalina was more a catalyst than a character, I'm starting to see Polita in the same way. She is always there to nudge the plot along, to let A know what B is up to. But hers is among the most 2-dimensional portrayals in this novela. (Well, maybe she and Espanto are tied for most cardboard-like character.)
As I watched Polita in action tonight, I imagined how a skilled cartoonist might depict her as a giant pair of ears and a correspondingly large mouth.
Just as earlier, Vivi and Sara pointed out that Opalina was more a catalyst than a character, I'm starting to see Polita in the same way. She is always there to nudge the plot along, to let A know what B is up to. But hers is among the most 2-dimensional portrayals in this novela. (Well, maybe she and Espanto are tied for most cardboard-like character.)
Aribeth - Fab part 2 too. I'll have to go back and see Vickie looking "like a delicious strawberry cake." :D
I do hope Little Orchid realizes tonight that she crossed the line with that last remark to her dear pop.
I do hope Little Orchid realizes tonight that she crossed the line with that last remark to her dear pop.
Wow, as we get closer to the end, the discussions get deeper and deeper. It's wonderful that everyone feels secure enough to share some personal details, good and bad.
As to grudge holding, I was trying to refer only to not speaking to the "be-grudged" party. Yes, we do have a long list of characters holding grudges for a long time. Let's add Paula to the list, holding a grudge against Felipe for being addicted to alcohol and gambling.
As to grudge holding, I was trying to refer only to not speaking to the "be-grudged" party. Yes, we do have a long list of characters holding grudges for a long time. Let's add Paula to the list, holding a grudge against Felipe for being addicted to alcohol and gambling.
Aribeth''''Thanks for that excellent recap. SO much happened in this episode.
Polita drives me a little nuts..what a tattletale busybody.
I am anxious to see the anvil that we all know is hanging directly over the ho's head drop. And did we ever find out her relationship to the dreadful Espanto ? Are they related ?
As for Furry...gee, that bullet to the leg compliments of Anyballs made a radical change in his personality. The new Furry seems somehow smaller, more pensive, more contemplative. Pompous Furry has turned into a little old guy right before our eyes. I think that he finally realizes that ...tick tick... life is ticking away...and what has he done with it ?...Thrown away a good life with both hands...and ended up with the ho. However, he does seem to truly care for Mia. Thank goodness because that poor little girl's mama couldn't care less about her offspring except the fact that she has tied her to her furry meal ticket.
The nice thing about novelas is that unlike real life, in the end, each character sows what he or she reaps...the good are rewarded with happiness and the bad are either redeemed ornate to pay for their sins.
Polita drives me a little nuts..what a tattletale busybody.
I am anxious to see the anvil that we all know is hanging directly over the ho's head drop. And did we ever find out her relationship to the dreadful Espanto ? Are they related ?
As for Furry...gee, that bullet to the leg compliments of Anyballs made a radical change in his personality. The new Furry seems somehow smaller, more pensive, more contemplative. Pompous Furry has turned into a little old guy right before our eyes. I think that he finally realizes that ...tick tick... life is ticking away...and what has he done with it ?...Thrown away a good life with both hands...and ended up with the ho. However, he does seem to truly care for Mia. Thank goodness because that poor little girl's mama couldn't care less about her offspring except the fact that she has tied her to her furry meal ticket.
The nice thing about novelas is that unlike real life, in the end, each character sows what he or she reaps...the good are rewarded with happiness and the bad are either redeemed ornate to pay for their sins.
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 6:18:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 6:18:00 PM EDT
Susanlynn -- Interesting to me how you see the new v.2 of FF. He now blames Anibal for all his problems (and FF never takes any responsibility). I see FF v.2 as a bitter guy who is going to get revenge, as soon as he comes up with a plan. He might be Anibal's anvil, for all we know.
Great job with Part 2 Aribeth!
Isn't it strange that JA and Vicky have just taken over Opalina's house? Opa doesn't seem to mind since she seems to have returned permanently to the land of green screens, aka Veracruz.
I guess JA and Vicky couldn't just move into her apartment...the one he shared with his first wife. Adri and Bea mentioned that it was Vicky who suggested that they live together. So at least that apartment isn't going to waste. Everyone is playing musical houses. The only house empty is Kendra's apartment. JA has his Santa Rita land back, but it's a bit far away and there isn't a house on the property anymore.
Isn't it strange that JA and Vicky have just taken over Opalina's house? Opa doesn't seem to mind since she seems to have returned permanently to the land of green screens, aka Veracruz.
I guess JA and Vicky couldn't just move into her apartment...the one he shared with his first wife. Adri and Bea mentioned that it was Vicky who suggested that they live together. So at least that apartment isn't going to waste. Everyone is playing musical houses. The only house empty is Kendra's apartment. JA has his Santa Rita land back, but it's a bit far away and there isn't a house on the property anymore.
Aribeth: Fabulous recap and your screen shots were marvelous.
"Victoria Ruffo 2", "Be prepared, Victoria, because in two months you’ll have three children", "Viewerville: hey, Nellie, are you trying to grow a halo over your head, or what? Who are you and what did you do to the troll?*}were just several of my favorites.
I love the insights and wisdom you share with us. I enjoy your comments tremendously.
Like you, I liked Paula and will miss her.
Thank you for noting many of the details I missed (Vivi cleared a few things up for me this morning). I'm glad Adri is at Bea's. Surprised (although I shouldn't be that Anibal seemed to indicate he would get rid of Cande if she got too talkative...
I forgot the scene with Nikki and Polita and Jean Marie. It was sweet and Nikki's stock is startig to rise again. She was downright adorable at Paula's party too...
We've been discussing Lili at great length today but no matter how anyone feels about her "What a shame, you slept with my aunt Victoria… you must’ve been very urged!" was malicious and cruel. Shame on both her and JA for not speaking for so long. More so on JA - he is the parent after all and one should never give up on their children.
I keep thinking I have a better chance of seeing Bigfoot than Vincente. Where the heck is he?
Diana
"Victoria Ruffo 2", "Be prepared, Victoria, because in two months you’ll have three children", "Viewerville: hey, Nellie, are you trying to grow a halo over your head, or what? Who are you and what did you do to the troll?*}were just several of my favorites.
I love the insights and wisdom you share with us. I enjoy your comments tremendously.
Like you, I liked Paula and will miss her.
Thank you for noting many of the details I missed (Vivi cleared a few things up for me this morning). I'm glad Adri is at Bea's. Surprised (although I shouldn't be that Anibal seemed to indicate he would get rid of Cande if she got too talkative...
I forgot the scene with Nikki and Polita and Jean Marie. It was sweet and Nikki's stock is startig to rise again. She was downright adorable at Paula's party too...
We've been discussing Lili at great length today but no matter how anyone feels about her "What a shame, you slept with my aunt Victoria… you must’ve been very urged!" was malicious and cruel. Shame on both her and JA for not speaking for so long. More so on JA - he is the parent after all and one should never give up on their children.
I keep thinking I have a better chance of seeing Bigfoot than Vincente. Where the heck is he?
Diana
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 7:36:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 7:36:00 PM EDT
Great recap! Very funny.
I expected rudeness from Lili, but her last comment to JA was also very crude, which I did not expect from Disney Lili. Shouldn't her bad mood be killing all the plants in the greenhouse?
I didn't think Vicky seemed quite so thrilled as Tomasina when Tomasina said that Nikki could use Vicky's new baby to practice on before having her own kids.
I expected rudeness from Lili, but her last comment to JA was also very crude, which I did not expect from Disney Lili. Shouldn't her bad mood be killing all the plants in the greenhouse?
I didn't think Vicky seemed quite so thrilled as Tomasina when Tomasina said that Nikki could use Vicky's new baby to practice on before having her own kids.
Aribeth thanks for the wonderful recap. A lot of your best lines have been mentioned but I loved your shock at Gramps willingness to kill Cande and Nelson's personality transplant.
Fellow bloggers thanks for the compelling comments.
Fellow bloggers thanks for the compelling comments.
The only problem with having grandbabies at that age, is the powdered milk!! LOL!
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 9:26:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 9:26:00 PM EDT
Aribeth, I am with you 100% regarding the father/daughter relationship of Arriaga/Liliana. well said, and for me nough said.I rest my case. I also opined yesterday but very late, I think I was the last contributor yesterday's episode. I was late as I mentioned that I was out of town and was speeding thru my dvr on several tns.
I am deeply saddened by Paula's demise. I am so glad that everything worked out with her family and ended happily though grief stricken.
I have a question to anybody, Mia and her nursemaid, are they the ones at Amor Bravio, the daughter of Daniel and Miriam?
I am deeply saddened by Paula's demise. I am so glad that everything worked out with her family and ended happily though grief stricken.
I have a question to anybody, Mia and her nursemaid, are they the ones at Amor Bravio, the daughter of Daniel and Miriam?
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 11:28:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 11:28:00 PM EDT
Oh I forgot, Julia, I had to laugh about "shouldn't her bad moods be killing all the plants in the green house?" This reminds me of an article I read about being nice to plants. There was a scientific experiment they did in a greenhouse wherein one garderner did nothing but sang to her assigned plants and one gardener did nothing but roar and screamed and pulled the leaves of the plants assigned to her. They had a sort of audiometer and camera, and sure enough the plants(carrots}subjected to the cruelty and meanness were shivering of fright each time the mean gardener does her act. Whereas the plants that were assigned to the nice singer, grew healthy and lovely. Isn't it funny that you thought of the same thing?
Permalink posted by : Friday, July 12, 2013 at 11:41:00 PM EDT
: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 11:41:00 PM EDT
Vida2- Nope. Different baby and nurse. This nurse is the same actress who played Sabrina Tovar (daughter of the town doctor) in Abismo de Pasion.
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