Caray, Caray!

Good work, Paquita.

I agree on the Oy Vey. Maria doesn't seem to understand that Jorge Alfredo was defending her honor. Those asswipes would not have understood anything else. I guess he should have tried to frogmarch the guy off the stage first.

I could swear they were planning to slip her a rufie and kidnap her. The avances indicate that they are Ruben's accomplices and this was a trap.

Mirna also needs to understand she can't pimp Maria out like this (I wonder what secrets are in her own past). This is insulting to her art. She should also have been suspicious that they didn't want the two male singers for this show.

Of course, Maria will play the "I hate violence" card and try to break up with Jorge Alfredo, which will please Mama. This shows both an ignorance of how men behave (not entirely her fault) and ignorance of the danger she is in.

I realize that Justo wants to investigate El Padrino himself but I hope he talked to the LAPD first. This has the potential to get him into more hot water than he can get out of.

Ole to Susanito, but he and Irasema need to get out of Dodge if she's going to be safe from Fabnot.
 

Why does Colosso persist in thinking that Maria was "his" and that Jantos stole her away? It is borderline sociopathological when he continues to come back to Maria each time she rebuffs him and declares her love for Jantos. Frankly, I was getting so peeved at the screenwriters for writing Colosso's diatribes that I stopped watching last night's episode after the first 15 minutes.
 

Urban

Spot on about Maria and her violence excuse for a break up and this time it is her fault for ignoring JA's wishes and going to Ruben. I'm no fan of resorting to fists but if some guy basically propositioned me like I was a slut and my man didn't defend me the fists would be mine on him. Maria is an idiot, what did she think JAntos would do. I do think that with Santos's morphing into JAntos he has begun to act more primitively. I somehow don't think the son of a consul,a successful business man in LA would resort to fighting as he does here. Time to tone it down.

Looks like Fabnot was the dude that forced Irasema into prostitution and she got away. She is clearly terrified of him and if anyone should split it is her. Interesting how a few days ago Mancia was all over irasema to stick to Sue to keep him from finding out her own dirty little secrets but now has switched sides and wants the girl gone.

Once again Amelia reveals her true self. She isn't happy with Maria's decision but fakes being happy . She basically tells JAntos that she doesn't think he will be proved innocent (she obviously thinks he is guilty of something) and than wants to know where he would live when he marries Maria. All along we thought that him taking her nina away is what drives her and now she can/should relax since he plans to stay in the DF.

Let me get this straight, Ruben loves Maria and only wants to protect her, he respects her. Yeah sure so he sets her up to be treated like a two dollar whore. Guess he didn't much care for her pregnancy revelation. I can see him and Fabnot getting into it one of these days and one of them will not survive.
 

Maria doesn't understand how men operate because she was primarily raised by a woman in a female-centric household. Although she may have had Pedro longer than Paloma, he was probably out singing & not in the home that much. You'd think she'd pick up some clues hanging around the Mariachi Gang but nope.

Rodrigo shouldn't have lied to Paloma about kissing Vanessa, especially since Vanessa kissed HIM. But when it comes out, Paloma should remember Rodrigo came in the house very upset with his encounter with Vanessa.

Maria is a dumb ass. JAntos TOLD her:

I was kidnapped

Ruben was behind it

Guiliano was dealing with Ruben

Do NOT go over to Ruben's office & confront him over Guiliano

What does this dummy do? Go right over Ruben's office & confront him over Guiliano.

Maria & her family seem to operate in fantasy world. They just don't get it.

Loved Susanito giving Fabian the bus driver uppercut!
 

Anon

Maria may have grown up in a femalcentric household but she has worked around men since her teens. It makes no sense to me that she would be upset when JAntos hits a man who came up to her, gabbed her and asked how much it would cost for her to spend the night with him. Even the dimmest bulb on the planet would recognize that for the gross insult it is. But not her — eyes rolling.

Roddy made a bad mistake by not telling Paloma the truth and once Vain Van shows her the picture she will predictably over react just like Maria.

I guess Friday's episode will be All the Men Mope. The Mendoza girls will dump theirs, Irasema will run for her life, and Fernando will suffer because apparently he doesn't love Ana in the correct fairy tale manner.
 

Don't make the mistake of believing anything Ruben says about "loving" Maria. He's a lot more likely to want to roast her for dinner, especially now. This man is incapable of any normal emotion.

He may be setting her up for a "Tosca" moment but it is far more likely he will set Jorge Alfredo up to be killed anyway.

Anon207, great point about how Maria should know better after knowing the mariachi frat boys for as long as she does.

She also should have listened to Jorge Alfredo and stayed away from Ruben.
 

Urban

We all know Maria NEVER listens. I know it won't happen but I would love to have JAntos discover that she went to Ruben and have him tell her he is finished with her since she didn't listen AND because of her stupidity he is now in danger and oh yeah her whole family as well.

When those punks set up the "surprise" at the bar I thought oh oh a politically connect spoiled brat, it's a set up to get the police to arrest JAntos without Maria finding out. The cops got there suspiciously fast. I'm hoping that once JAntos tells them what was said they will not drag him off to jail and Ruben's plot will fail.
 

Is anyone else getting the vibe that Amalia doesn't want to let go of any of her daughters?

At this stage Paloma and Isabel are still theoretical because they are minors, but Maria's pending departure is real to Amalia. She is so unwilling to share Maria's love with anyone she desperately wants to believe that Jorge Alfredo is guilty of something.

She wouldn't believe a word of what Jorge Alfredo knows about Ruben because Ruben has always put on a good front before her.
 

Urban

I agree that Amelia doesn't want to let go of any of her daughters. I thought she made that pretty clear with a couple of those group hugs and we are a unit comments. I wonder if she is as possessive as she is because since Pedro died she has focused all her attention on the girls particularly because of Concho's lies which took away her picture of Pedro as the perfect man.

JAntos may have given her back the picture of Pedro as a faithful man, something she seems to have forgotten, but with ten years spent probably hating all men and thinking them rotten she hasn't been able to rid herself of that mindset and is clinging to it to keep her children close. She has convinced herself it is to keep them safe from being hurt but that doesn't serve them well for the rest of their lives since they don't seem to have good coping skills.

That said Maria is an adult and has worked around men for years but she remains a little girl at heart. Every time things don't go exactly her way in the relationship with JA she runs back either emotionally or physically to Mama. I really dislike how the relationship alway has to be her way or the highway. We can see that coming with the probable fight breakup tonight. She really isn't worth Santos time.
 

I am ready to agree with that. Maria's lack of coping skills is not entirely her fault, but she should be fighting her mother more over this stuff. Amalia is a helicopter mother and they aren't doing their kids any favors.

I'm not sure who is worse, Amalia or Mancia.

Two comments about Santos:

-- I like his original name; it suits him well. Compared to the other male characters in this series he is a saint.

-- I wish they would just use one singer to dub his singing voice and that's the one that sounds like Alejandro Fernandez.
 

So agree about the singer. The other night when Santos was singing the dubbing was just fractionally off and it was so annoying.

It's a toss up between Amelia and Mancia but at least Suesanito can finally see how his mother manipulates him, Maria doesn't. Amelia is much more subtle than Mancia.

Any parent in their right mind wants to protect their child from being hurt physically or emotionally but no matter how much you love them children need to learn that life isn't all roses and lollipops, that they will be hurt. Helicopter parents do more damage than good and end up raising children that can't stand up for themselves and fight for what they want. Worse they end up with a sense of entitlement.
My cousin is a middle school principle and does she ever have stories to tell about meddling parents. LOL
 

A friend's daughter is a middle school English teacher; same deal.

I wonder whether any helicopter parent ever realizes they are doing more harm than good by this. Independence in one's children is the ultimate goal of parenthood and their psych issues should not be allowed to impede that.
 

Applying helio parenting to Amelia it is obvious that she has left Maria unprepared for anything in the least bit traumatic. JAntos goes missing, Maria takes to her bed weeping and then falling into a semi coma. God knows how she would react to something really bad, like him getting hurt as a result of her stupidity with Ruben.

I pity that baby of hers since her role model is Amelia. Maria will hover and because she has no real coping skills will not be able to deal with a child getting any of the little bumps and bruises that are such a part of childhood.
 

Oddly, I think Santos will make a better father than she will a mother. The player becomes a model dad... gotta love it.

The baby should have a nanny. I know a lot of Caraymates have an objection to this at CI, but a protective nanny is what that baby will need at least in the short term if the danger from Ruben and Giuliano is still present.

And let's not forget Elvira.

Under the heading of All Things Considered, Amalia should not live with them after the danger has passed. She needs to learn a thing or a thousand before being allowed to babysit Maria's baby.