Monday, September 02, 2013
Corazon Indomable #80, 9/2/ 2013: Doom, Gloom, and an Unhappy Bride & Groom
Recap by LatinaInMD
Both parts are now up.
Both parts are now up.
Previously: After some deep
thought-bubbling, Octavio admits to himself that he has always loved
Maricruz. Esther kisses her baby, then
Sooty Clory (Clorinda) places him in his basket with hot bottles; Esther is
concerned the baby is so quiet, as No-Class Jackass (Jose Antonio) tries to
reassure her. Eduardo and Araceli’s
wedding takes place. (For more details,
see Carlos’ brilliant recap of episode #79).
Esther touches the baby and screams that he is cold.
Bride and groom march down the aisle to the sounds of “Here
Comes the Bride,” as Octavio and MariAle march arm-in-arm close behind them. They exchange a few verbal jabs, then MariAle
asks Octavio if he would like to be the padrino at her wedding to the guv; he
declines, saying it is of “little importance” to him. Flirty Doris
approaches, tells Octavio he looks gorgeous and suggests a long night of
dancing to celebrate “THIS” – whatever “this” is. He does his best to annoy MariAle by flirting
right back at Doris, taking her arm, and then walking away with her, without so
much as a “see ya” to MariAle. Not to be
outdone, MariAle goes up to the guv and begins her own bit of flirting. The two sparring spouses continue their little
“Who’s the best flirt?” contest, partnering with their respective paramours while
continuing to eye each other from time to time.
Meanwhile, things are looking quite gloomy on the rocky Royal
Lands (that’s what “Realengo” means). As
Esther desperately screams for Jackass to bring the baby to her, Sooty Clory
and No-Class Jackass are now outside the Neo-Shotgun-Style shack (so dubbed for
all those shotgun holes in the walls).
The look on Jackass’ ashen face says it all. (Sorry Carlos; I at least knew what was
coming, but this must be a shock for you.)
As Clory helplessly tries to do something, it’s pretty clear the little
angel is no more. (Let’s observe a moment
of silence in his memory, shall we? Oh,
no, says Mrs. Mejia. That won’t do. Instead, let’s cut briefly to the
philandering hubby smooching with his fiancée right in front of his wife. Bravo, Mrs. Mejia. Your sensitivity knows no bounds.) Jackass asks Clory if she is sure the baby is
dead. She suggests he touch him. Jackass touches the baby and reacts with
somewhat genuine sorrow, but given his recent behavior, it somehow rings
hollow. – uhm, that rhyme was not
intentional.)
Doris is now trying to talk
Jackass #2, err, Octavio, into playing hooky and skipping the wedding
reception. He says he can’t do that to
his best friend, but Doris wonders if it’s
actually because “SHE” will be there that he doesn’t want to skip the
party. He tells her she knows he has “many reasons to detest her” (not as
many good reasons as she has to detest you), but he has “a commitment to fulfill” – as if he is the poster child for
“fulfilling commitments”. Changing
subjects, they discuss the guv and his relationship with the casino woman. Doris now suggests it is ok for her daddy to
have a fling with “that slut” just like he would with any other floozy, but
bipolar Octavio now stands up for MariAle, as he asserts that she is no slut
and reminds Doris that she will soon be her stepmom. Cara impactada de Doris,
as Octavio and MariAle continue to eye each other.
Clory tells Jackass they’ll have to be careful how they break
the news to Esther, given her delicate condition. Then they discuss how to handle the baby’s
burial. Clory suggests Jackass search
for a small box to put the baby in, so they can then bury him right there on
the Realengo grounds. She reminds him
the cemetery would charge him a fee – oh, the horror. (He must work for free if he doesn’t even
earn enough to give his infant child a proper burial.) Jackass belatedly (quite belatedly) laments
that it’s all his fault. (Yup, it is.) Esther begins screaming again, threatening to
get up if they don’t bring the baby to her.
Doris insists her father will
never marry “this woman”; she will be in her father’s life the same thing she
has been in many other men’s lives, “An
occasional lover.” Octavio insists “Alejandra has not been any man’s
occasional lover. She is not that kind
of a woman.” (An occasional wife to
a total jerk, perhaps, but an occasional lover, never!!!!) “Doris, we men know when a woman is easy and when she
isn’t.” She caresses his cheek and
tells him in a condescending tone that he is very naïve.
Sooty Clory now tells Jackass to go do as they agreed while she
stays to break the bad news to Esther, since she “has had some experience doing these things.” (Wait, what?!
Did she not recently assure us that she had never lost a baby?!!!) When Jackass leaves, she thought bubbles in
belated (quite belated) prayer to San Ramon, the patron saint of
childbirth, midwives, children, pregnant women and, oddly, “priests who want to
protect the secrecy of confession” – uhhhh, ok….take it up with Wikipedia, I
have no idea why priests were thrown into the mix here.) Then we see Clory display her “bad-news-breaking experience” by
entering the shack, closing the door behind her, holding tight to the baby
basket, and giving Esther nothing more than a blank, almost angry-looking
stare, while Esther continues to beg to see her baby.
And now for a little sign that Mrs. Mejia’s budget is getting
tighter – or that Ari and Eduardo did not want to spend their gift money on
their guests: the wedding reception is
now in full swing at the most elegant location imaginable, none other than
Teo’s rent-free itty-bitty house by the docks. The place is so tiny that – horrors – MariAle
and Doris are actually sitting right next to each other. (And are those Teo’s roses decorating the
wedding cake?! Or are they from the
other infamous, muddy rose bush?! No
matter – one has to get creative with a tight budget.) Just as any total stranger would do, the guv
gets up and proposes that they all drink in honor of the happy bride and groom,
who then exchange the requisite kiss.
The bride then makes the mistake of asking the padrinos to stand and
join her and the groom on the dance floor, err, the floor two feet away from
their table, so they can all take a picture together. Octavio flanks the bride on the right, while
MariAle joins the groom on the left, conveniently just a step away from the
guv. They are all smiles and manage to
have the picture taken, but then Doris stands
up and requests the photographers to take a photo of her with her boyfriend, “kissing, of course,” she adds. As the facesucking begins, we get an extreme
close-up of cara impactada de MariAle, but she quickly recovers. While Doris
continues attempting to perform a tonsillectomy on Octavio with her mouth,
MariAle smiles and requests the photographers to take a photo of her with the
governor, “also kissing, of course,”
she adds. Cara impactada de Doris, who
recovers even faster and runs (three steps away) to personally save MariAle
from the displeasure of having to actually kiss the guv. Doris
accomplishes this good, err, very bad deed by grabbing MariAle by her hair and
pulling her brusquely away from the guv.
As MariAle flips around to confront her, Doris
surprises her with an ear-splitting slap across her cheek. Not to be outdone, MariAle responds with a
double ear-splitting slap across her intended daughter-in-law’s face, screaming
for good measure: “Welcome to the
family, little girl!!!!!!” They are
now locked in a little game of “who can leave the other one bald” faster –
ouch!!!! - while both Octavio and the guv struggle to separate them. As they are being pulled away from each
other, Doris manages to get one last
backhanded smack across MariAle’s neck.
Double ouch!!!! Now, how
convenient. With all the pulling,
twisting and shoving, somehow MariAle ended up being grabbed by Octavio and
Doris by her father. MariAle is now in
full “berserk Maricruz” mode, ranting like a raving lunatic and demanding that
Octavio let go of her. He is holding on
for dear life, as she is ready to pounce on Doris.
And all this time, Clory remains standing against the door of
the shack, with the baby basket in her arms.
She has yet to say a word to the baby’s mother. Esther demands to know why she won’t hand the
baby to her. Finally, Clory says to
her: “Your son was a little angel, and he went with them to heaven.” (We get a very dramatic, and very real,
reaction from Esther. That’s all I can
say. My respects to Elizabeth
Valdez. Wow. Like gringo would say, that was
Oscar-worthy.)
Back at the wedding reception, where the men are still trying to
calm down the two “fieras”. The guv
assures Doris that “la señora Mendoza”
was just joking, but she’s not buying it.
“You were about to kiss that
woman, dad.” “You also kissed this man, who is married,” he responds. (Nice job airing the dirty laundry in public,
guv. What a seasoned politician you
are.) The guv tries to make Doris leave with him, but she won’t go quietly. “I
kissed Octavio because he is my boyfriend and I am going to marry him!!!!”
she screams for all those gathered to hear.
“First he has to divorce me!!!!”
screams back MariAle. ”…You’ll have to wait for you to marry him,
and for me to marry your father.” As
the guv practically drags Doris out, MariAle
screams a little more: “And make sure you wait sitting down, so
you can see how I will marry your father.”
Alrighty, then, now that we’ve made sure all those gathered at the
reception have every detail of this sordid affair, let’s move on to another
subject, shall we? Oh, how about the
happy, err shocked, bride and groom….who are just standing there with caras
impactadisimas. Octavio meekly
apologizes to them, to which MariAle reacts dismissively, as if she could care
less about apologizing.
Back to Esther, who sorrowfully asks: “My
God, why is this happening to me?”
Clory assures her it’s not something that just happens to her. It happens to many women. (Why, oh why, do people always belittle
someone’s personal grief by pointing out that others suffer the same grief? It doesn’t lessen the pain any.) She assures Esther that her baby left like a
little bird, and that he didn’t suffer.
As she looks at her baby, Esther laments that it all happened because
she didn’t go to a hospital.
(End of
Part 1)
Part 2
Araceli sits at a table as Eduardo tries to console her. (I’m guessing just about now Ed is wondering if he’ll even get to enjoy his wedding night. After all those months of abstinence, poor guy.) Meanwhile, Octavio and MariAle are busy exchanging a few more words. They are speaking in formal terms, to keep up the imaginary barriers between them. He tells her she definitely hasn’t changed. (Ok, so Maricruz and MariAle are basically the same person, right Oblivio?) After a bit of passing the buck about who ruined Araceli and Ed’s wedding, MariAle suggests that they leave so they can continue talking. He accepts. “You are not afraid that I will try to hurt you?” she asks. “No, Maricruz Olivares would never hurt me.” (Wait, what?! Did he forget his little savage Maricruz shot him in the leg? He really is oblivious.) “Oh, and Maria Alejandra Mendoza would, or what?” she asks. (Good question!!! So is she still the same person or not, Oblivio? Please make up your mind already.) He ignores her question and asks where she wants him to accompany her. “To my home, Octavio. Precisely to my home.” She turns and heads for the door, while he smirks as if imagining he’s about to get the night Ed might be missing out on. As she grabs her purse from the bride and groom’s table, she pauses for about a second – maybe less – says “my apologies” and continues to the door without missing a beat. (Wow, girl, I’m one of your biggest fans, but even I think that was just not right.)
Part 2
Araceli sits at a table as Eduardo tries to console her. (I’m guessing just about now Ed is wondering if he’ll even get to enjoy his wedding night. After all those months of abstinence, poor guy.) Meanwhile, Octavio and MariAle are busy exchanging a few more words. They are speaking in formal terms, to keep up the imaginary barriers between them. He tells her she definitely hasn’t changed. (Ok, so Maricruz and MariAle are basically the same person, right Oblivio?) After a bit of passing the buck about who ruined Araceli and Ed’s wedding, MariAle suggests that they leave so they can continue talking. He accepts. “You are not afraid that I will try to hurt you?” she asks. “No, Maricruz Olivares would never hurt me.” (Wait, what?! Did he forget his little savage Maricruz shot him in the leg? He really is oblivious.) “Oh, and Maria Alejandra Mendoza would, or what?” she asks. (Good question!!! So is she still the same person or not, Oblivio? Please make up your mind already.) He ignores her question and asks where she wants him to accompany her. “To my home, Octavio. Precisely to my home.” She turns and heads for the door, while he smirks as if imagining he’s about to get the night Ed might be missing out on. As she grabs her purse from the bride and groom’s table, she pauses for about a second – maybe less – says “my apologies” and continues to the door without missing a beat. (Wow, girl, I’m one of your biggest fans, but even I think that was just not right.)
Doris, Mariana and the guv are now in a restaurant having
drinks. He is hoping the scandal won’t
become public knowledge. (Oh, really,
then you should have kept your mouth shut.)
Doris’ second favorite phrase – after
“I am the governor’s daughter” – is now “you have to expel that woman from Isla
Dorada.” And that is now what she
insists on. Oh, and by the daddy, didn’t
you notice how jealous she gets when she sees me with Octavio, she adds. He’s none too happy when she says THAT is
proof that MariAle still loves Octavio, “which
means daddy dearest that she can’t love you.”
Esther is seriously grieving now – this is just way too painful
to describe. If you haven’t seen it and
want to see it, make sure you have plenty of Kleenex on hand.
Octavio and MariAle don’t quite make it into her home. They are now in a hallway right outside her
condo, and he is sitting on the floor while she remains standing, just to drive
the point across who is in charge now.
He says it’s time to drop the formalities and asks her plainly what her
intentions are. “What will be the next step in your vengeance?” he asks. “It’s
not about that. I simply don’t want you
to marry Doris Montenegro.”….Octavio admits to her that besides marrying Doris for “her beauty”, he will also do it for prestige
and social position. She reminds him
again – hey, he does need reminders, even if we don’t – that if he marries Doris she will marry the guv. “And I
will be at war with you for life, Octavio Narvaez.” “Why? Could it be because you still love me?” “No,
because I hate you, and I want vengeance, just as I’ve already exacted in part
against Lucia.” He asks if the
humiliation she put Lucia through wasn’t enough. “No,
that was too little. I’m still not done
with Lucia, Miguel and much less with you.
All three of you still owe me much.
All three.”
The guv is now forbidding Doris
to see Octavio again until he is legally separated from his wife. Then I forbid you, she says, to go to that
woman’s house as you are accustomed to doing.
He assures her he’s never been past that lady’s living room. Well that role is even sadder then, she says,
because it’s laughable for him to treat that woman like some great lady.
Miguel is having a sleepless night, and all his tossing and
turning has now awakened Lucia. They
discuss the fact that Lucia will be traveling back to Mexico with
Octavio, who will help her while there.
Now they are both agreeing they have to defend the ranch no matter what,
because they need it for their stability and well-being. (Oh, yeah, because they were SO stable
financially when they were there, weren’t they?! Obliviousness runs in the whole family.)
Ok, this is too much.
More of Esther mourning. Enough
said….Jackass is now calling for Sooty Clory to come outside. He’s such a jerk that he pays no heed to his
wife calling out to him, begging him to please come inside the shack. Sooty Clory comes outside and tells him to go
in, but he says he doesn’t know what to say and is not sure he can see Esther
at that moment. A jackass, a jerk and a
weakling.
Octavio asks MariAle what she could possibly do to him. She admits that she would do much less than
to the others, because in reality he caused her less damage than the
others. (Wait what?! How many times did we hear her say she was
reserving her worst for him?) She says
she figures that she is already causing him great damage by not granting him a
divorce, thus not allowing him to marry Doris. He tells her he can’t believe she seriously
wants to marry the guv, who is practically an old man, especially when she
doesn’t need his money. But she does
need his prestige and his position, she says, the same things he seeks from Doris. “No, no, you forget about Doris’
beauty and youth, things you will never find in the governor.” Bullseye!!
She doesn’t take that well and demands that he leave her home
immediately. “Leave here now. Go!!! I don’t want to see you.”
Lucia is waxing philosophical, telling Miguel she now
understands how much they had, and perhaps they just didn’t know how to
appreciate it all. Miguel, for his part,
suddenly grows a backbone and suggests perhaps it’s time for him to return to Mexico and
confront justice for killing Eusebio.
(Wait what?! Looks like the
little mud-eating ceremony did them both more good than damage.)
Sooty Clory assures Jackass that she will handle the burial of
the baby; he needs to focus on his wife.
He finally goes in, embraces her, and begs her to forgive him for being
so hard on her. That life is not for
her, he says. (Ya think, dumbass, err,
Jackass?)
Octavio asks MariAle why she is so upset, if what he tells her
is the plain truth. “Aren’t you envious of the advantages I have?” She tells him again that he is not welcome
there, then denies his request to see his daughter. “Maricruz,
she is so pretty. Of course, because she
looks so much like you.” “You don’t have a right to see her.” “Of
course I have that right, and I will demand it.
You have to allow me to see her, and when she is older I want to take
her with me for a few days.” “No, I’m not going to permit it, much less
for you to take her to your home with Doris.” He tells her she has no right to deprive her
daughter of her father, just like what happened to her. With tears welling in her eyes, she assures
him that her love and protection will be enough for her daughter. He asks her to be sincere and tell him if she
ever lamented not having her father when she needed him? No answer, but the tears now rolling down her
face say it all.
Doris is now having a boring
debate with Mariana about her duties as a society girl. Mariana reminds her she can’t afford to lower
herself to that other woman’s level, and there was no need to defy that other
woman at the wedding reception like she did.
“But you didn’t see how they were
looking at each other,” says Doris. Mariana tells her it’s her imagination and
besides, if those two wanted to get back together no one could prevent it,
since they are still married.
Back to MariAle and Octavio.
She finally answers: “Yes, I lamented it many times. But my father was good. It was only incomprehension that kept us
separated.” Octavio asks if it was
incomprehension between her mother and father.
“It’s not up to me to judge them,
Octavio.” “But you should analyze your
conduct, and think of your daughter’s future.” (Wait what?!
And when will HE analyze HIS conduct?
Uhm, not enough brain power for that, I guess.) “I’m
young, and I’m not sick like my mother was.
I can confront life on my own,” she says. “It’s
not enough, Maricruz. Any human power
can crumble in three days.” She asks
him to understand that her daughter does not need him. “Even
so she will have me,” he assures her.
“I swear to you she will have me,
unless you decide to kill me to prevent it.
And it’s possible you’ll try, since you did once before.” (Oh, so NOW he remembers she tried to hurt him
before. Let’s see how long THIS memory
lasts.) “Despite all the glamour, the varnish, that you have on you, you
continue to be a savage. You continue to
have the untamed heart of Maricruz Olivares.” (So now she is still the same person? No change in personality? Now if only Oblivio could remain the same
person long enough for consistent ideas to form in his head. It’s exhausting trying to keep up with his
changing viewpoints.)
Back to Doris and Mariana.
The debate ensues. “They can’t get back together because there
is an abyss between them.” Mariana
asks what she is referring to. “To what she did to Octavio’s sister-in-law
this afternoon. He is furious with her.”
(Oh, Doris,
you are so clueless. By this late hour
the boy’s short-term memory has probably already faded. I doubt he even remembers standing by the
rose bush next to you and a crowd of spectators.) Mariana suggests Doris
is too passionate, and even more capricious.
Doris doesn’t deny it, and promises she
will battle to the death with that woman.
She also plans to have her investigated, as she “suspects” she was once
in jail. (Only a suspicion, Doris? The woman
announced it to the world during the mud-eating ceremony, for goodness
sakes!!!) “She may once again occupy a cell, but this time she won’t get out so
easily. She won’t get out in many, many
years.”
The next morning, Octavio prepares to travel as he chats with
Miguel. He reassures his brother that he
will spend all his free time in Mexico
with Lucia and his son.
MariAle is attempting to have breakfast, but she is so nervous
she is having trouble even cutting her food.
(Oh, no, is SuperMari starting to lose her powers?) She tells Juanita she is concerned about
what’s going on at the casino, where she has to be ever alert against thieves
trying to steal from her. (Alert against
thieves? Good idea, MariAle. Just remember there’s thieves where you least
suspect it.) Juanita asks if she enjoyed
the wedding. “I enjoyed it, but not in the conventional way people have fun,” she
tells her. (I’ll say.) Juanita asks if the bride looked gorgeous. “I
suppose she did.” “Why do you suppose?” “Because
I hardly saw her.” She tells her she
was so nervous and tense she hardly saw anything around her. Now these two get into their own
philosophical discussion about life, love, etc.; MariAle tells Juanita she
believes you can only love once in your life with all your heart.
Doris is now sitting in front
of the police chief, ordering him to investigate MariAle. She wants him to find out what kind of life
she led for the past two years, especially before she arrived on Isla Dorada.
Octavio and Miguel are now discussing the fracas at the wedding
reception. Miguel asks how it could
happen. “For the same reason these things always happen,” says
Octavio. “Miguel, women are so difficult to understand.” (Or, more likely, some men are just too
stupid to understand women.) Now we get
sepia flashbacks to the slapfest we got at the very beginning of this episode,
and he explains how he took MariAle home while the guv took his daughter with
him. (Why flashbacks? Mrs. Mejia and her writers must think our
short-term memories are just as bad as Octavio’s two-brain cells at retaining
information.) “And what did the savage say to you?” asks Miguel. “You
do well to call her that, because she is still the same savage she always was.” (Shut Up, Octavio. Ugh.) Miguel is concerned she could ruin his
planned marriage to Doris, but Octavio, not so much. “I
don’t know, Miguel. That wouldn’t matter
much to me anymore.” (That’s not
what you told her, you idiot!!! Double
ugh.) “Really?” “Yes, brother, because I’ve reached a
conclusion.” “What?” “That I like the savage…..I LOVE the savage, Miguel. I have ALWAYS loved her. Always.”
Meanwhile, MariAle is pacing her living room while deep in
thought bubbles: “I need to be the owner of the hacienda Narvaez. I need to acquire it. I want those lands on which I was so
humiliated to become my property. But
how will I accomplish it? Only through
another person. They would never sell
them to me, not even if I offer them triple their value. Unless they REALLY need the money. I myself gave them a one-year break, and not
for them, but for the little boy who is not guilty of anything. But now, now I want the ranch, and I will
have it, NO MATTER WHAT IT COSTS ME.”
Meanwhile, Octavio is flying the newlyweds (along with Lucia and
her sick child) to Mexico
on what appears to be a small charter jet, with only Jackie as his flight crew.
More of MariAle’s thought bubbles: “I
recognize that I am being too harsh. But
don’t they deserve it? At least for some
time, let them feel what I felt. Later
on I will find the way to be generous with them. And to forgive them.”
Meanwhile, Miguel is glad that Lucia is on her way back to Mexico, but he
wonders what Maricruz has in store for them next.
Previews: Many viewers made the
call. If there’s a plane, there must be
a plane crash. Salud!!!!
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Latina- Brilliant Part 1. What an episode! Mari and Doris are the WORST wedding guests, EVER! Not even a real appology from either of them for causing such a scene at Ara's and Ed's wedding.
But, their conflict seemed all the more ridiculous next to Ester's painful loss. Will this change JA for the better?
Looking forward to Part 2, and your take on the Mari-Tav conversation in front of her door.
I continue to marvel at how well the Gov is taking Mari's marriage status. He, Doris, and Mari certainly made sure that all of Isla Dorada will know the whole sordid tale by breakfast time.
But, their conflict seemed all the more ridiculous next to Ester's painful loss. Will this change JA for the better?
Looking forward to Part 2, and your take on the Mari-Tav conversation in front of her door.
I continue to marvel at how well the Gov is taking Mari's marriage status. He, Doris, and Mari certainly made sure that all of Isla Dorada will know the whole sordid tale by breakfast time.
Latina, thanks for this recap. You always have really insightful ideas about the characters. The part about the SUD MC fight was priceless.
Vivi, I think the baby's death will change JA for the better, but it may be too late. Ester will return to her self and blame JA and walk away from the relationship and JA will give chase, but Ester is gonna think long and hard if she wants to be with the caveman and she might in the end, but JA is gonna have to earn her love.
Vivi, I think the baby's death will change JA for the better, but it may be too late. Ester will return to her self and blame JA and walk away from the relationship and JA will give chase, but Ester is gonna think long and hard if she wants to be with the caveman and she might in the end, but JA is gonna have to earn her love.
Permalink posted by 
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 12:00:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 12:00:00 AM EDT
Such a trooper LatinaMD, watching the nuttiness for us and giving us a hoot of a recap.
I admit that I kind of gave up on the episode between the depressing fact that the baby didn't make it and watching MC and Doris in their mean girl mode. I am with Vivi, way to be so self-centered that you don't realize you are ruining someone else's big day. Yeah, time to switch over to US Open tennis again.
Hope JA can live with himself now, and Ester should go stay with Simona. Since money and power seem to be the theme here, I still expect that rich land to come into play and make JA wealthy somehow and see the error of his ways. That winds up winning Ester back, well, as Rog would say "Juarever."
Daisynjay
I admit that I kind of gave up on the episode between the depressing fact that the baby didn't make it and watching MC and Doris in their mean girl mode. I am with Vivi, way to be so self-centered that you don't realize you are ruining someone else's big day. Yeah, time to switch over to US Open tennis again.
Hope JA can live with himself now, and Ester should go stay with Simona. Since money and power seem to be the theme here, I still expect that rich land to come into play and make JA wealthy somehow and see the error of his ways. That winds up winning Ester back, well, as Rog would say "Juarever."
Daisynjay
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 6:35:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 6:35:00 AM EDT
Thanks so much for the great post. I missed a few days and I guess I missed why everyone turned against JA. What happened? Ester was pursuing him mightily when I last saw.
Lorena
Lorena
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 7:41:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 7:41:00 AM EDT
Great first part Latina. We all expected the loud arguments at the wedding, didn't we? I certainly did. Doris has no shut off valve, and MA will never back down.
I won't be surprised if the Ester/JA story line won't be a public service announcement about changing the way poor people have to live in Mexico. I can see Ester fighting for the rights of those who live on the freelands, making things more habitable for them, now that she's seen what they live with and without. Maybe she'll start a school there too.
I won't be surprised if the Ester/JA story line won't be a public service announcement about changing the way poor people have to live in Mexico. I can see Ester fighting for the rights of those who live on the freelands, making things more habitable for them, now that she's seen what they live with and without. Maybe she'll start a school there too.
Latina, Thanks in advance for a fantastic recap! You said it all with "No class jack ass"!
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 8:58:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 8:58:00 AM EDT
Thanks for your comments, everyone. Part 2 is done and will be posting later today.
@Audrey - I always alternate Mondays with Vivi. I recently did a Thursday recap, but I was just substituting for that day.
@Audrey - I always alternate Mondays with Vivi. I recently did a Thursday recap, but I was just substituting for that day.
Oh, btw, this is the first time I've had to split a recap into two parts. It took me forever to get this nutty episode done. I just wasn't sure what tone to strike. (I don't handle the death of babies very well, for personal reasons.)
Ah, OK, that was my confusion.
Well your treatment of the wedding feast fight was priceless - so very very funny!
I'm afraid we just mute all the JA/Ester parts since it's such obvious filler to extend the number of episodes. The recapper has no such luxury - sorry about that part of this one falling to you.
Well your treatment of the wedding feast fight was priceless - so very very funny!
I'm afraid we just mute all the JA/Ester parts since it's such obvious filler to extend the number of episodes. The recapper has no such luxury - sorry about that part of this one falling to you.
Great part 2 Latina. I get whiplash from how fast the writers have Tav change his mind about things. There's no point in even pointing out the inconsistencies anymore, because you an spend the entire recap doing it. And it's not just Tav. It's ALL the characters, although they do it with him the most.
Lorena- What happened to change our attitude about JA in the episodes you missed is that he became a royal jerk. In addition to treating Ester like an unwanted used undershirt most of the time, he did some incredibly insensitive things like demand that she bring him heavy buckets of water from the river for him to bathe with, while she was heavily pregnant and unused to doing anything like that; and not providing her with any food (despite her pregnancy), and not helping her learn from where to get the food and how to prepare it on an open stove. Instead, he just berated her for not knowing how to do these things. All the while, Ester was more than willing to try to learn. Some of these things he did (or didn't) do put the health of the baby at risk, so he is perfectly justified in blaming himself, although it might not have been any of these things that caused the premature birth. His disregard for Ester and her condition has been maddening.
Lorena- What happened to change our attitude about JA in the episodes you missed is that he became a royal jerk. In addition to treating Ester like an unwanted used undershirt most of the time, he did some incredibly insensitive things like demand that she bring him heavy buckets of water from the river for him to bathe with, while she was heavily pregnant and unused to doing anything like that; and not providing her with any food (despite her pregnancy), and not helping her learn from where to get the food and how to prepare it on an open stove. Instead, he just berated her for not knowing how to do these things. All the while, Ester was more than willing to try to learn. Some of these things he did (or didn't) do put the health of the baby at risk, so he is perfectly justified in blaming himself, although it might not have been any of these things that caused the premature birth. His disregard for Ester and her condition has been maddening.
Great second part too. You comments are spot on. We will have 2 months now of the back and forth I love you I hate you.
How Oblivio can stand to be with, let alone look at Lucia, I don't get. He has heard about all the awful things she's done to MC, and he's still going to take care of her in Mexico. I hate him.
How Oblivio can stand to be with, let alone look at Lucia, I don't get. He has heard about all the awful things she's done to MC, and he's still going to take care of her in Mexico. I hate him.
Cathyx- I think it might be more about making sure his nephew is ok. But the way this character is written makes no sense. Remember in the beginning how Tav couldn't stand Lucia, and how they would fight all the time? What happened to that? It makes no sense that he would get along with her even better now that he knows for sure she has done all these horrible things.
Thanks Latina, this is simply spectacularly written, vibrant and hilarious. What an excellent job on a difficult episode.
With each episode I become more and more confident that Maricruz is almost a crazy as Lucía. And:
"I want the ranch, and I will have it, NO MATTER WHAT IT COSTS ME."
is making her sound like another familiar crazy... Exmir Karim.
I'm very disturbed by the Ester/José Antonio story. Besides being so horrible, it just doesn't make a lick of sense.
Carlos
With each episode I become more and more confident that Maricruz is almost a crazy as Lucía. And:
"I want the ranch, and I will have it, NO MATTER WHAT IT COSTS ME."
is making her sound like another familiar crazy... Exmir Karim.
I'm very disturbed by the Ester/José Antonio story. Besides being so horrible, it just doesn't make a lick of sense.
Carlos
@Audrey - believe it or not, the JA/Esther storyline is NOT filler. It was in all previous versions too. And they are both fairly important characters, even if that wasn't made clear from the very beginning of the novela.
Vivi, thanks for the clarification on JA. However, he seemed to be such a sensitive person earlier on with Maricruz that it doesn't "make a lick of sense" as to the later treatment of Ester. Thanks Carlos for your succint explanation of the JA / Ester pair in that it makes no sense at all !!
Lorena
Lorena
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 11:24:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 11:24:00 AM EDT
Thanks for the recap Latina. I'm with Daisynjay in that it was a very depressing episode and sorry you had to recap Ester's mourning.
It is unfortunate that the TN has not been written well b/c if you hadn't mentioned it, I don't think I would like Ester or JA were necessarily important characters. And as Carlos said, this part of the plot made no sense and seems so cruel in ending with a baby's death.
Cathyx - ITA with you about Tav and Lucia. Though he knows she's horrible, he listens to her and continues to play with Doris.
It is unfortunate that the TN has not been written well b/c if you hadn't mentioned it, I don't think I would like Ester or JA were necessarily important characters. And as Carlos said, this part of the plot made no sense and seems so cruel in ending with a baby's death.
Cathyx - ITA with you about Tav and Lucia. Though he knows she's horrible, he listens to her and continues to play with Doris.
@Cathyx re: octavio....you forgot to mention that he's not even hot! ;-)
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 11:35:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 11:35:00 AM EDT
Awesome recap of an awful episode. I realized at the end that I dont like most of the characters on this show. I think I may stop watching and just read the recaps because they are more entertaining and frankly, better written!
Oh wow, LatinaInMD, I just assumed it was filler because it was such a separate storyline (plus Ester's complete personality change) and I knew they had to double the episodes. Thanks for the info.
Yuck! (hate the storyline)
Yuck! (hate the storyline)
whoops...I did it AGAIN. The above post was supposed to be for La Tempestad.
As for this episode of CI, thanks , Latina for recapping this dreadful thing. I can't even comment on the horrible scenes of poor Ester. Awful and painful to watch.
As for this episode of CI, thanks , Latina for recapping this dreadful thing. I can't even comment on the horrible scenes of poor Ester. Awful and painful to watch.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 1:27:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 1:27:00 PM EDT
Susanlynn- The comment is now gone. ITA with your LT comment,by the way.
Also ITA with you and everyone else about how painful it was to watch Ester go through that worry and grief, while Clorinda and JA did/said nothing.
Also ITA with you and everyone else about how painful it was to watch Ester go through that worry and grief, while Clorinda and JA did/said nothing.
I hate hate hate how Octavio says he is still in love with the salvajita. Why must he continually call her a savage? MA is an independent woman, and now an independently wealthy woman, and he should learn to respect, not demean her.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 1:38:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 1:38:00 PM EDT
Daniella, even if she weren't better off, MC should never be called a salvaje. No one who is simply poor and uneducated should be called that.
Even Mari calls herself salvaje. But I take the word to be closer to its meaning of "wild" rather than its other meaning of savage. In any case, it's offensive and annoying. She isn't an animal.
....,hmmm. James Fenimoore Cooper celebrated "the noble savage" in his books, but I guess Oblivio is not using the term "savage" in that manner. Note to Oblivio : people who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. Buy a vowel; get a clue.; take some notes, Boy-o.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 2:13:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 2:13:00 PM EDT
Thank you Latina. I loved every minute of last night's episode as
well as every word of your excellent recap. Excellent I say, why?---Jackass #2, err Oblivio---
He is the poster child for
"fulfilling commitments."---Doris
continues attempting to perform a
tonsilectomy on Octavio---Obliviousness runs in the whole family---Latina, there is more of your great wit but how many do I need to put down? Again, a great recap.
Latina, I agree, Mari should have apologized profusely to Araceli and Ed--she didn't. My guess is that she was too shaken up by what happened and will probably apologize in person at some point in the future. Mari is not a bad person. I believe that she will do what is right even if a little late
Yes Latina---Elizabeth Valdez was indeed Oscar worthy last night. Her
part, as sad as it was, couldn't have been done any better.
J deste NYC---JA is gonna have to earn her love. YES, for sure.
Well said Cathyx---Doris has no shut off valve, and Ma will never back down. Also, good point about Ester and the freelands--maybe?
Yes---The plane crash. I saw that coming way back when. I don't know
but I have visions of a hurt Oblivio lying in a hospital bed with Maricruz by his bedside.
Jarifa---Your movie comment from yesterday. I wrote a late comment about your post. Something to think about.
the gringo
well as every word of your excellent recap. Excellent I say, why?---Jackass #2, err Oblivio---
He is the poster child for
"fulfilling commitments."---Doris
continues attempting to perform a
tonsilectomy on Octavio---Obliviousness runs in the whole family---Latina, there is more of your great wit but how many do I need to put down? Again, a great recap.
Latina, I agree, Mari should have apologized profusely to Araceli and Ed--she didn't. My guess is that she was too shaken up by what happened and will probably apologize in person at some point in the future. Mari is not a bad person. I believe that she will do what is right even if a little late
Yes Latina---Elizabeth Valdez was indeed Oscar worthy last night. Her
part, as sad as it was, couldn't have been done any better.
J deste NYC---JA is gonna have to earn her love. YES, for sure.
Well said Cathyx---Doris has no shut off valve, and Ma will never back down. Also, good point about Ester and the freelands--maybe?
Yes---The plane crash. I saw that coming way back when. I don't know
but I have visions of a hurt Oblivio lying in a hospital bed with Maricruz by his bedside.
Jarifa---Your movie comment from yesterday. I wrote a late comment about your post. Something to think about.
the gringo
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 2:17:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 2:17:00 PM EDT
Worst wedding reception ever. Or...does anyone have nominations for other weird receptions they have attended ???
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 2:35:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 2:35:00 PM EDT
Susanlynn-- I can't think of a worse/more lame wedding reception in a tn or real life. I'll have to think about that one. But, one of the best/most fun tn receptions I've seen was Amorcito Corazon where the two brides/grooms and their guests all did a Bollywood style dance. One of the grooms was Daniel Arenas (Octavio) and one of the brides was Elizabeth Alvarez (Lucia). Checki it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5uPbz3m0wA
Latina, thanks for that thoughtful and entertaining recap.
Someone mentioning turning back to the tennis match? Stay with CI, they lob the ball all over the court!
Susanlynn, I haven't attended any really crazy wedding receptions in person (except the one at an exclusive resort hotel where they ran out of food), but we've had several in TNs.
In Las Tontas No Van a Cielo Jacqueline Bracamontes rips off her bridal gown, knocks over the cake and runs away.
In Soy Tu Duena, Valentina runs away after being left at the altar and later throws her gown over a cliff. At her next wedding, the crazy guy comes in to make mayhem.
Just the other day in La Tempestad, Estercita did all kinds of crazy stuff at her wedding reception.
It's true that MariAle could have made a better apology to the bridal couple. On the other hand, she was asked to be Madrina by a bride who didn't know her well and she sent them a check for $3,000. I think she has a little margin for error.
The death of Ester's baby was sad. If you watched Ana Brenda lose a baby in La Que No Podia Amar, that was possibly more sad.
You know MA and Tav could rebuild their relationship if they would settle down and really make an effort. Ain't gonna' happen. They'll just play the drama game and tear our nerves to shreds. It's a TN.
Just
Someone mentioning turning back to the tennis match? Stay with CI, they lob the ball all over the court!
Susanlynn, I haven't attended any really crazy wedding receptions in person (except the one at an exclusive resort hotel where they ran out of food), but we've had several in TNs.
In Las Tontas No Van a Cielo Jacqueline Bracamontes rips off her bridal gown, knocks over the cake and runs away.
In Soy Tu Duena, Valentina runs away after being left at the altar and later throws her gown over a cliff. At her next wedding, the crazy guy comes in to make mayhem.
Just the other day in La Tempestad, Estercita did all kinds of crazy stuff at her wedding reception.
It's true that MariAle could have made a better apology to the bridal couple. On the other hand, she was asked to be Madrina by a bride who didn't know her well and she sent them a check for $3,000. I think she has a little margin for error.
The death of Ester's baby was sad. If you watched Ana Brenda lose a baby in La Que No Podia Amar, that was possibly more sad.
You know MA and Tav could rebuild their relationship if they would settle down and really make an effort. Ain't gonna' happen. They'll just play the drama game and tear our nerves to shreds. It's a TN.
Just
La Paloma- Those other tns did indeed have some epic wedding/reception interuptus. But the actual receptions were quite lavish and beautiful. This reception was not only interrupted, but was just lame and boring to begin with.
But yes, Jackie Bracamontes ripping off her wedding gown, down to her sexy skivvies in front of all her guests, and yelling at her cheating groom/husband, and then running away half naked, never to be heard from again, was quite memorable.
But yes, Jackie Bracamontes ripping off her wedding gown, down to her sexy skivvies in front of all her guests, and yelling at her cheating groom/husband, and then running away half naked, never to be heard from again, was quite memorable.
Tks Latina
Can't say Ed & Aracely didn't have a memorable wedding. Doris is a daughter to be proud of, a crazy public display for the Guv's daughter. Think that will be in the paper below her picture.
Can't say Ed & Aracely didn't have a memorable wedding. Doris is a daughter to be proud of, a crazy public display for the Guv's daughter. Think that will be in the paper below her picture.
Thank you Latina My question is....did th baby really die? Clorinda will not let anyone hold the basket. Did Ester ever see or hold the baby. As I recall, Ester just stuck her hand in the basket and felt the baby was cold.
Did JuanA ever see the baby? He just seems to be following Clorinda's orders.
Did JuanA ever see the baby? He just seems to be following Clorinda's orders.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 4:08:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 4:08:00 PM EDT
It was very odd not to place the baby in the mother's arms immediately. ¡Dios Mio! not another stolen baby, por favor! Mrs Mejia is going to use every one of those damn cliches.
I would think that if the baby felt cold to the touch, it must be dead. And JA and Ester both felt a cold baby.
Yes. I believe the baby is dead too. Emeraldrose- Clorinda let Ester kiss the baby's head and touch him one last time before she took him away. She also made JA touch the baby, although he was very reluctant.
Latina: Thanks for a most excellent and laugh-a-minute recap! You get a 10+ on those asides also, amiga!
These got some real snickers out of me:
"While Doris continues attempting to perform a tonsillectomy on Octavio with her mouth"
"Alrighty, then, now that we’ve made sure all those gathered at the reception have every detail of this sordid affair"
"(Wait, what?! Did he forget his little savage Maricruz shot him in the leg? )"
Sooty's hands gave me the willies during that birthing scene and I couldn't stop thinking of El Medico de Carlos probably dropping his drink to the floor, the poor frightened cat and dog skittering under the bed and him screaming obscenity epithets at the t.v. screen.
These got some real snickers out of me:
"While Doris continues attempting to perform a tonsillectomy on Octavio with her mouth"
"Alrighty, then, now that we’ve made sure all those gathered at the reception have every detail of this sordid affair"
"(Wait, what?! Did he forget his little savage Maricruz shot him in the leg? )"
Sooty's hands gave me the willies during that birthing scene and I couldn't stop thinking of El Medico de Carlos probably dropping his drink to the floor, the poor frightened cat and dog skittering under the bed and him screaming obscenity epithets at the t.v. screen.
Octavio---you forgot to mention he's not even hot. He makes me jealous just looking at him. So what is hot? Is it a chest that looks like it has been fed steroids
and has turned out overly developed
and deformed? Please! Not only is he handsome, he doesn't use greese or shellac on his beautiful hair.
What is beautiful about Ed's shellac job?
Skip the show for tennis or football? I think that football is the greatest sport that's ever been invented--tennis isn't too bad either, but----I wouldn't give even a 30 seconds channel change to check the score, no not for the
49ers, not for Green Bay, not for
anyone while Corazon Indomable is on.
Lousy wedding reception? Hey, give Ed y Araceli a break, they don't have much money and the checks are for their honeymoon and for their future. Ok so they didn't rent a big hall, so what? they were happy until Doris showed up.
2hours 45minutes and counting.
the gringo
and has turned out overly developed
and deformed? Please! Not only is he handsome, he doesn't use greese or shellac on his beautiful hair.
What is beautiful about Ed's shellac job?
Skip the show for tennis or football? I think that football is the greatest sport that's ever been invented--tennis isn't too bad either, but----I wouldn't give even a 30 seconds channel change to check the score, no not for the
49ers, not for Green Bay, not for
anyone while Corazon Indomable is on.
Lousy wedding reception? Hey, give Ed y Araceli a break, they don't have much money and the checks are for their honeymoon and for their future. Ok so they didn't rent a big hall, so what? they were happy until Doris showed up.
2hours 45minutes and counting.
the gringo
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 7:19:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 7:19:00 PM EDT
This is a heartbreaking chapter. Ester and JA's loss is palpable as can be. I wish I could do something to ease their pain. Good acting.
I wish it didn't happen at the same time, but I couldn't help squeal with delight while the wild girls were at it. Bug eyed Doris and Wild at heart MC that is.
I'm really having doubts about the reconciliation of MC and Octavio. The way their conversation went, they're both insulting and belittling each other. How cold.
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I wish it didn't happen at the same time, but I couldn't help squeal with delight while the wild girls were at it. Bug eyed Doris and Wild at heart MC that is.
I'm really having doubts about the reconciliation of MC and Octavio. The way their conversation went, they're both insulting and belittling each other. How cold.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 7:52:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 at 7:52:00 PM EDT
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