Saturday, November 30, 2013

Mentir Para Vivir #39 Fri 11/29/13 The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Trut AND Its Consequences


Capítulo 39

Lo Del Pasado:

Cesar has returned from the seminary to Lucina’s B&B, ignoring Raquel’s “I told you so” remarks, to right things with Mama. Now that his dad’s living there as well, Ruben has managed to confess to his son about his past--the why and how of his years ago succumbing to Mathilde’s charms and her expected inheritance, and thus leaving Fidelia to fend for herself. (Not exactly what Viewerville would deem true love on either account. What a frickin’ waste, Fi! You could have done so much better!)

Oriana has set up Jose Luis to meet with Dona Paloma the next morning, per Paloma’s request. She’s also agreed, per Ric’s request, to counsel Fabiola regarding the need for birth control since self-control effectively dissolved into stardust and Sebastardo’s male lust. Ric has also emphasized to Oriana that if she goes back with her husband, there won’t be any “negotiated” terms on JL’s part; that a guy like Jose Luis simply takes what he wants.

Lo Del Nuevo:

Ric and Padre Mariano have now decided that it’s time to tell Paloma the truth so that Jose Luis won’t catch the old woman off her guard during their heart-to-heart, possibly killing her from the shock of the surprise. He calls Oriana over to the rectory for a meet with Lucina and them later that day.


Lina cajoles her “abuela” to invite her daddy over to live with them in the big mansion, one big happy family! (This is when Viewerville thinks "cute" needs to take a hike and manners needs a major leg up to the table.) 2nes tries talking Lina out of the idea, but the little girl is a litigation marvel, a natural, and she wins the argument with her mommy. 2nes exits the bedroom and calls Jose Luis. He’s at the Twenty-Four/ Seven Lounge with Berto and takes her call on his cell. “—We have to move the appointment with Paloma to later tomorrow. She’s too tired. Oh, and BTW, I lied when I said she knew I wasn’t Ines.” No problema, replies JL amorously. “--I wouldn’t ever betray you, mi vida. Besos.” Berto claps at the “act”, obnoxious as ever. The two men continue their discussion about Lila wanting to legally contest the will now that the do-do has hit the wind-manufacturing apparatus. JL says let her. What does he care, anyway?

Berto points out that the scandal may be so great for the company that he chooses to relinquish his stock in the company, selling off to the old lady who’d then be ripe for the picking since she’d need a strong man running things there. JL ignores that to ask if he has found the pistol Rick took from him. The house is so large, complains Berto, that he’d have to go through it room by room and there are dozens of rooms! That’s a pile of crap, says JL to the butt-faced one. “--Get it done and I don’t care how you do it. Got that?” Just then Joaquin arrives, gives Bertie the brush off, and then takes his place of pompi-pomp-assed priority on the cushioned purple couch. JL tells him Berto is a useless idiot that he now finds more of a pain than an asset. So, in the old days, offers Joaquin, we used to make those kinds of guys disappear. Problem solved.

Joaquin orders a drink and informs JL that in a day or so he’ll have the signatory problem with the bank account in Colombia solved for his wife. JL is relieved, but Joaquin tells him not so fast. He owes him another one now for this additional favorcito. “—I can’t understand why you want to retire from the business. You look like one of the upper crust and fit in perfectly. You can talk rings around them and stand to earn a huge amount of money at this.” “—My wife would never accept it.” Joqi guffaws and suggests JL shower her with gifts. Works for him. “--Not all women are alike.”

Meanwhile, Berto figures he’ll hit on Marilu for skinny on Ric. He hits her with a sob story and asks her out for happy hour and pumps her hard. Marilu unwittingly gives him the hours Ric keeps, tells him that Ric’s living in the bungalow attached to the side of the main manse and that his manservant leaves every evening and returns first thing in the morning. No, he doesn’t throw parties and his old maid auntie doesn’t either. They’re both pretty much sticks in the mud who do very little entertaining.

That evening Oriana arrives at the rectory and sees Lucina there with Padre Mariano and Ricardo. Ric explains that the time’s come to tell Paloma that she’s not really Ines Valdivia. Oriana realizes that she cannot continue lying to Paloma any longer. “—Yes, I’ve put it off too long already.” Ric is certain that Paloma won’t turn her into the police. Mariano and he advise her to move in with Lucina for a while. As for the three million pesos Lucina and Raqi owe Paloma, he’ll be happy to hand that amount over to Lucina so she can repay it to Paloma in full. She shouldn’t have to feel obligated to go back with Jose Luis, either, they opine, just because she is still married to him.

Oriana has second thoughts about causing the old woman another heart attack. She cares a great deal for Paloma and that’s the last thing she’d want to have happen, she tells them anxiously. Ric reminds Oriana that at some most inopportune moment, Jose Luis could let the cat out of the bag accidentally on purrrr-pose. Or, Lucina adds, if he wants to have sex he’d be able to hold that over her head, demanding his rights like men do. “--JL may sweet talk you by saying he’d always respect you, but men never do,” let alone the malevolent, self-seeking Mafioso type Jose Luis is now. Lucinda adds that if her hubby does get those charges dropped and has a document to prove it, then Oriana can get a divorce finally and be free of him. Mariano seconds that, saying the Church will also allow a separation if the husband becomes involved in criminal activities.

Oriana asks how she’s supposed to fix the assumed identity problem. Lucina suggests telling their whole story to Manolo, her cop buddy from San Carlos. He’s as much a friend as a cop to Lucina and will be able to suggest something that makes sense she believes. Oriana tells them that Lina wants her daddy to move into Paloma’s house, which is another headache to consider. Ric jealously says they’ve already discussed that and it’s not doable. Lucina is totally against that idea also, but for more sensible reasons. “—You can’t do everything your child wants you to. Lina is only a little girl and you need to live your own life, unless you want to end up a bitter old woman, or worse yet, a nun!” (Hive Fiver to Lucina!) Mariano suggests taking Lina to a child psychiatrist for therapy to help her understand their situation better.

After much persuasion from Lucinda, Oriana agrees that she’ll join the others to make a clean breast of it all, but only if Paloma’s cardiologist is there in case the old lady’s heart palpitations get the best of her, She then calls Jose Luis, who is now boored stiff while “partying” with Joaquin and a stable of dancing doxies, to change the appointment with Paloma till the next afternoon. She lies and says it’s because the cardiologist is coming for a routine follow up in the morning. JL sees no problem and agrees.

The next morning everyone sits in Paloma’s office area of Paloma’s bedroom waiting for her arrival so they can begin the whole miserably embarrassing, wretched story. Lucina gives Paloma the “once upon a time” version. Paloma soon realizes she’s hearing 2nes’s past and that it means 2nes is not True-nes Valdivia after all. Paloma, now tired and saddened by the realization, wants to know why they tricked her. Ric explains gently that Oriana had no choice if she was going to protect her daughter; but he emphasizes quickly that she also was worried about Paloma’s health because she truly loves her and wanted no harm to come to her. “--Then where is my granddaughter? Where is Ines?” Mariano slickly remarks that she’s joined her mother in heaven. Lucina relates how Ines came to her hotel and the next day died from an overdose of drugs while swimming in the ocean, and without any I.D. on her. Lucina clarifies that because she was unidentified, she was eventually cremated with all the other unidentified bodies the police find. She hands Paloma the only thing of value that was left in her hotel room. Paloma recognizes it as the gold locket she’d given her daughter before she was run off by her father. Lucina wipes away her tears. “—If you want to blame anybody, blame me. I was the one who planned and caused this whole mess. I thought falsifying the documents and the passport would be the best way to insure Oriana could keep hold of her daughter.”

Just about that time, Mathilde comes sniffing around and enters the room, wanting to know what the gang is talking about that’s got her aunt so disturbed. Ric walks her back into the hallway. He tells her this doesn’t concern her and to let them finish up. Wouldn’t you know it, though! A minute later, Mad Hilde opens the door, in demand stance again. Ric, very perturbed, leaves with her and tells her it’s undignified for a “lady” like herself to be eavesdropping through a closed door the way she’s been. “--Be kind enough not to do this!” He has to warn her twice, second time not as nice.

Oriana now leaves to pack her and Lina’s things. She’s moving out. Ric begs her to stay a bit longer and to give her own version, to then ask for forgiveness and perhaps offer to leave after that—but not like this! Not like a thief in the night! Oriana, though, is certain the old lady will call the police down on her, though Ric says he doesn’t believe that will happen. Well, if nothing else she is certain she will never want to speak to her again in this lifetime or the next. As far as she is concerned, she is a thief. She’s stolen the old woman’s affections and she’s stolen her granddaughter’s identity!

Mad Hilde walks into the anteroom where Oriana’s left her bags. Whose are those, she asks? Ric and Lucinda explain they’re Ines’s. “--She’s going on vacation.” “—Oh, don’t tell me she’s really a whore?” Ric tells her to can the trash talk.

Outside, a few minutes later, Lina returns from school and sees the bags and the dog on the lawn. They’re leaving to stay at Lucina’s, says Oriana. They pack up and Oriana stops to cancel JL’s afternoon appointment. He doesn’t understand and doesn’t believe the excuse. Oriana clicks off without any further explanation. Mad Hilde show up on the lawn a minute later and demands the older maid tell her what’s going on. The old gal stutters out that she believes 2nes is going to live with her husband now. Maddy is pleased with herself and the news and jingles her collar bells with deliciously malicious delight. (Me-owwwwww!)

The doctor has needed to give Paloma some knock-out drops. Mariano wants to assure he’ll stay mum on the things he heard there this morning. The doctor says he’s just like a priest at confession when it comes to a patient’s personal life.

Once Oriana’s settled in at the B&B, she and Lucinda discuss whether she’ll be going back with her hubby or not. Oriana’s still not sure. She needs a job again, but she knows Lucinda can’t really offer her one. (As it is, she’s already getting free room and board.) The topic changes and Lucinda feels that having JL there will be too uncomfortable for Oriana (not to mention Raqi who is sharing his bed), so she’s going to ask him to find another hotel.

Down in the dining area, Ruben, Cesar and Raquel are chatting when Fakecisco shows up and greets them. He learns Cesar’s Ruben’s son and that he’s left the seminary to deal with his mother. Raqi mentions then that Paloma’s “granddaughter and great-granddaughter” are now living at the B&B. Lucina arrives and takes Fakecisco into her office to discuss her need for him to leave to find another hotel. He demands to know what room they’re in. “—I’m her husband and it’s migh right!” “—No, no! You’re “rights” come only as far as she wants them to. So many people know the truth about her past now that if we haven’t all gone to the police yet about you, it’s been to protect her and Lina. So, we need to ask you to find lodging somewhere else.” “Fine. Prepare my bill then!”

Raqi follows him to his room, staking out her territory with JL, and learns he’s leaving thanks to Lucina. No problem, though. He’s thinking to rent out a house and bring his family to live with him there. Raqi wonders what about her. Her? JL and she swap tongues and then he tells her that she’s been nothing more than a pleasant diversion. She slaps him and fights a second kiss, but the two of them enjoy the rough foreplay it seems. (Ehh! They’ll be seeing each other again if Raquel has anything more to say about it--and she’ll make sure she does, natch.)

Ric, meanwhile, mopes around his house in the dark. Oriana refuses to answer his calls. Raqi calls to rile him with the lie that the two turtledoves are back together again. He hangs up and races over to the B&B to find out for himself.

At the same time, Jose Luis bribes Felipe with a wad of bills to find out what room his wife’s in. He enters and gives her the news that Lucina has thrown him out but that he’s going to rent a house for them to live in instead. He threatens her, warning that if she doesn’t come live with him then he’ll see that the charges against her in Colombia are not dropped after all!

Ric gets to the B&B just as Jose Luis is schlepping his bags onto the courtyard. They stare maliciously at each other. Thunder booms and lightning crackles above. The rain starts to fall. Ric looks squarely at his rival and speaks first. “--So, Oriana came here because you were staying here?” JL laughs at him. “—Well, of course!” Ric tells him he doesn’t believe it. “—Ask her yourself.” “—You’re pressuring her, forcing her!” “—Get this straight: Oriana is my wife!” Ric immediately corrects him. “—No, she was your wife while she thought you were a decent man; but now Oriana is mine!” The two start circling and suddenly we’ve got major fisticuffs in the middle of the falling rain in the middle of the courtyard. Eventually it looks like JL has gotten the better of Ric and he knocks him down with a solid right hook to the jaw.

Ric gets it together again though, and jumps back on his feet. With the entire staff and guests looking on by now, Ric manages his own right hook to Jose Luis’s jaw, then does a quick kung-fu double legged jump-kick to the belly number on JL. This causes JL to fall flat on his back into the swimming pool. He sinks to the bottom. Oriana is drop-kick-me impactada when she sees her hubby rise back up to the top with a large pistol in his hand—and he is aiming it straight at Ric, his finger on the trigger…..

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I'm watching my recording right now. OMG! Lucina is hilarious in the scene where she, Mariano, and Ricky try to convince Ori to come clean to Paloma. "Isn't that right, Mariano?!" LOL! I think Lucina has now added Mariano to her expanding group of friends for life.
 

Vivi in DC, I think Lucina has a good heart. I don't care if she was a prosti, I think she would be a good friend. We should all be so lucky to have one, true, good friend!

I found her hilarious in that scene as well! A good person, don't you think?

Fatima
 

Fatima- I would love to be among Lucina's friends. She has a great heart, but since she has lived such an interesting life, she's not shocked by anything, and she's not judgemental-- even when she's giving you advice about how to not screw up your life. You can count on her in a fight. She's loyal. She will always make you laugh. And she willingly provides a strong shoulder to cry on when needed. She doesn't need a man, but I hope by the end of this that she has found love, because she is a woman who deserves to be loved.
 

Oh Vivi in DC, I so agree with you! Love your observations about Lucina with which I am in TOTAL agreement!

Fatima :))
 

Last night's episode was great. I agree, Lucina is the best. She has experienced life from all angles and therefore smells bs when she sees one. Her past life has prepared her well. Raq could learn a lot about men and life in general from her. If only she would listen. As for Ric, he is still my guy. His actions are rash but his heart is in the right place. JL on the other hand, may have legal rights to his wife but who wants an unrepentant crime lord for a partner. Can't wait for the recap Jardinera. Happy Saturday everyone.

Hanna
 

Strange that Raquel hasn't seemed to learn a thing from Lucina. Raquel thinks she has special sexual powers, but her marks keep leaving her. Now that I guess it's over with JL, I wonder if she'll go after poor Cesar again.
 

What a cliff hanger this ends on. Can't wait until Monday.
 

I'm looking forward to the recap, Jardinera.

Please add me to the rosters of the Lucina fan club. She's spunky. If love is in the cards for her, she deserves it, but I would be just as happy to see her end up sole owner of a highly successful Casa Bonita.


 

Even though it doesn't look like he'll become a priest, it seems like the time away in the seminary did Cesar some good. He seems more at peace and more decided about moving forward with his life. I hope that the next time Raquel comes on to him, he rejects her outright with no hesitation and leaves her with her mouth hanging open.

I didn't get to watch Thursday's show until this morning and didn't get to comment on Kat's recap. Thanks so much Kat. It was fab.

I was also upset about the way Piero and Ricky reacted to Fabi's rape. But tns are almost always horrible in the way they present the reaction to rape. The reaction that they show might actually be quite true to life, but I wish more tns would show people deciding to react the BEST way, in order to show the women and men watching what they should do.

Amor Bravio is the only tn I have seen where all the characters took the correct steps after a rape. The girl’s friends, knowing something was wrong, investigated until the found out what happened. Then they went to trusted adults who could get to the next level-- speaking to the girl, and finding out who raped her. Then the galan beats the tar out of the rapist (I know, not really the right thing to do, but I approve). Then they all drag the rapist off to jail and support the young rape survivor in filing charges. A medical exam is conducted (we won’t talk about the doctor's breach of confidentiality). The rape survivor then goes to counseling long-term. And she testifies against her rapist in court and confronts him face to face. No, it wasn't clean-cut and easy, but I appreciate that they showed all the proper steps people are supposed to take in this situation.

Ricky and Piero only being concerned about the condom use is wrong, wrong, wrong. The focus should be on Fabi getting the help and support she needs, and encouraging her to file charges. And if she doesn't want to do that (for the many reasons mentioned yesterday), then the least Ricky and Piero should do is go over to his apt and beat the snot out of that little snot so that he stays the hell away from Fabi (yeah, not legal, but I don't care)!

 

Do you think Piero is too old for Fabiola? He was very tender & sweet toward her. She is probably pregnant, since this is the 2nd congress, maybe he'll step in as the white knight.
Piero just got a divorce, but we haven't heard that story.
Pls someone, anyone,beat the crap out of Sebastian, smug gilipollas.
 

Did somebody enjoy the fight between Jl and Ricky? Total Mortal Kombat (as in the series, Sub-Zero, Scorpions and the others)

I have a good girl friend, and she prefered Fabiola's love life, than all the other happenings (include the protagonists), so I can accept your views.

AlejoP.

Ps. The sender of probe message I was.
 

Considering that he's old enough to be her father, I am not supportive of a Fabi-Piero matchup.

Alejo- Yes, the fight scene was really cool. Love how the lightning and rain started just as the two men spotted each other. It reminded me of a western, or a John Woo movie.
 

AlejoP - I liked JL's backward dive (fall) into the pool. I give it a 9.5
 

Thanks Vivi! Now it came to me! That scene reminds me of the Maxtrix when Neo and the Smith agents are fighting in the rain!

Cynderella
 

Niecie in MD..."I give it a 9.5", HILARIOUS and just right on the mark!!!

Fatima
 

Hanna, Ricky is still my guy, too. :)

Fatima
 

I'm just now getting caught up from Wednesday and Thursday's great, enjoyable recaps. Thanks Paquita and La Diva 5ft.

I'm usually one who can take or leave the child actors. But surprisingly my favorite character is Lina. She's adorable and such a good actress. Can't wait until she finds out that her daddy isn't the man she thinks he is.

I agree that Piero is too old for Fabi. He's in the same age group as Sabi's mother. And don't forget that there's a slight that he's sabi's dad.
 

Make that "a slight chance" that Piero is Sebastian's dad. Of course we in viewerville feel strongly that it's Antonio but that's not been proven by DNA.
 

Hi, all! It's finally up.
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As for Piero's roll in taking care of Fabiola, I say it's his means of redemption. He was guilty of rape and ignored the victim; but this time he recognizes a rape and comforts the victim. The circle is closed now for him with this act of kindness and consideration.
 

Jardinera- Awesome recap! You really did that last scene justice.

Matilde sure looked like the cat that ate the canary when Orinez and Lina left, didn't she? I really hope they manage to keep the truth from her, because she would call the cops on Ori.

All things considered, I think Paloma took the truth well. Of course, her heart was broken to find out what really happened to Inez.

Marilu is an idiot. How many times does Ricky have to warn her to keep her mouth shut about his (and Inez's) private matters? I really hope those guns are tucked away in the back of the freezer behind a stack of frozen peas.
 

Jardinera - Fine recap. Muchas gracias for doing this over a busy holiday weekend.

So sad for Paloma. But I'm sure she'll want to help Oriana, in memory of the real granddaughter whom she didn't get to help. And she'll remember Oriana tried to leave and tell her the truth earlier.
 

I haven't watched this one or Thurs but the recaps are great. Good of Oriana to make sure Paloma's cardiologist was on hand at the reveal. I think Paloma knew another shoe was gonna drop given the way Oriana was talking to her at her bedside in Wed's EP. She interrupted the confession and said she'd rather live in a rose-colored world since Oriana and especially Lina had made her so happy.

But, I still think that Oriana will turn out to be Paloma's granddaughter. I think Palomita had te in daughters and Oriana ended up with a decent family while Ines didn't. I think that music box in the playroom, the fact that Lucina said Ines did look like Oriana when she took the Ines passport, plus the big Paloma portrait that looks like Oriana.
 

The te in was supposed to be 'twin', meaning I think Palomita had twin daughters.
 

Jardinera654! What a wonderful, wonderful recap! Thank you so much!!

Marilu has to be dumber than dumb. Don't know why I didn't say that before.

Loved "butt-face Berto". Oh yeah, isn't that the truth!!

Fatima
 

Great job for a great episode. You did it justice, especially the ending scene.

I thought that guns wouldn't work if they were submerged.

Shame on Felipe. We now know he has a price. Yikes. I hope Lucina finds out.

I wanted to strangle Matilde for interrupting the discussion twice.
 

Dear Jardinera,

Thanks for the great recap. I had just watched the episode and you captured the rhythm perfectly. Great job and great commentary on some of our favorite and least favorite characters. I agree, by the way, that little Lina's character is changing with JL's arrival and perhaps all the privileges of suddenly being a bit spoiled in her living situation, too. Also, while I may be a majority of one, I loved the simpler way that Oriana dressed at the beach and in her job (pre-Paloma) -- looked much prettier IMHO.

I love Univision's decision to run these episodes on line in full. But no previews. Any clues as to what happens next from the previews? Great fight and good cliffhanger.

Lucina is just the best. How smart that she was the one to tell the story!


 

Thank you Jardinera! I loved "Jose Luis could let the cat out of the bag accidentally on purrrr-pose."

Oh, and IRT Lina you hit the nail on the head with "This is when Viewerville thinks "cute" needs to take a hike and manners needs a major leg up to the table."

I still like the kid, but she's wearing thin for me.

I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who didn't like the fight scene. Or rather, the slow-mo kung fu kick and subsequent fall. I found it a little cheesy. BUT the gun emerging from the water was pretty cool. It was a great cliffhanger and I can't wait until Monday.
 

I think Lina is acting just like a typical kid. She wants her parents together and she came up with a solution. That is how kids act. And all kids have bratty moments, even the best behaved ones do.
 

Yeah, I think Lina is behaving like a normal kid too. I like this because tn kids are either on one end of the spectrum or the other. Either saints, or demons. I liked the suggestion by Mariano that she needs to see a psychologist. She does. JL is still on a pedestal for her, while she has already experienced seeing her mother handle some rough situations and make some tough choices, and has seen firsthand that her mommy isn’t perfect. Now she needs to learn for herself that her daddy isn't perfect, and in fact, isn’t even a good person.
 

I can't remember, did Oriana tell Lina dad did some bad things and now the police are looking for him? Lots of lies/cover ups are flying about and I tend to forget how much Lina knows.
 

Sara- Yes. After the princess party when they kicked JL out, Ori finally told Lina that daddy did something bad, the police are after him, and because of the bad thing he did the police are also after Ori too. But she assured Lina, that if mommy and daddy went to jail, Paloma and their friends would take care of Lina. But Ori did not say that JL is a bad person. Just that he did a bad thing. Lina thinks Ori should be able to forgive JL, just like she forgives Lina when Lina does a bad thing.

It's one thing to hear that your dad did a bad thing, and it's quite another to see it for yourself. Plus, Ori has not tried to turn Lina against her father like JL has tried to turn Lina against Ori and Ricky by saying Ricky is a bad person who did something bad to a girl, and that Ori will stop loving Lina if she and Ricky have children.
 

Tito was adorable these last two episodes. Last episode when Ori found him sitting on her bed instead of with Lina, he barked his sadness and displeasure because Lina was too sad to play with and hang out with him. And this episode, he was faithfully sitting at her feet as she slept in the hotel room, looking after her.
 

I can't wait for Cynderella's take on Rhodalina Penmark this week!

Sara C., I believe that a few episodes ago, Oriana did say to Alina that her father had done some bad things. The kid isn't having or hearing any of it which I suppose is typical for a kid her age and who is so enamored of her father.

Alina is getting very used to this life of privilege. I think it is good that they have left Paloma's so that Oriana can catch a breather and Alina can come down from the clouds.

Vivi in DC, I, too, thought Mariano's suggestion for Alina to see a psychologist to be a very good one. Now, if only someone would recommended this for BOTH Cesar and Fabiola.

It will be interesting to see what Matilde's anvil will be. Her helicopter tactics are backfiring.

Fatima
 

Thanks, Vivi. I was pretty sure that I had remembered a conversation to that effect.

Teaching jaded, worldly teens like I do, I tend to forget the innocence of the really young kids so Lina sometimes comes across as a little to naive for me. I would like to think that even a simplistic 6 year old would know that if the police were looking for someone that maybe they weren't all good. Which is why it frustrates me a little that when Oriana tells Lina that the police are after dad, Lina's reaction is "ni modo I still love him and he can do no wrong and oh can he live with us", but when JL comes back in the picture and says some bad things about Ric and her mom, Lina swallows it hook, line and sinker and pouts and gives Oriana the silent treatment. (PS: JLs mind games with Lina are unforgivable IMO.)

Maybe Sandra E. can make a cameo as Lucia Lomeli Curiel child psychologist extraordinaire and help Lina.
 

Well, most of the Xmas decorations are now up for the hubster and I can take a moment before gift wrapping starts. The new kitty, "Catalina", has been crawling inside and up the artificial tree, knocking down and breaking ornaments just like my nieto did. Purr for the course, I suppose. Je-Je.
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ViviDC:
So, ITA that JL does not play fair. He's a big guy and this big guy has determined that all is fair in love and war, and the bigger you are the better you can bully. Again, though I dislike his "new attitude", I am smitten as much as Raquel. Though, the rough stuff bedroom scene totally turned me off!! Guess I haven't lost all my good sense. Lina will have to see him in action to believe what a creep he can really be.
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Sara C./CathyX: I guess I come down on the side of disciplining critters and creaturas. Knowing that kids can push the envelope at times, I'd say IMHO that a bit of verbal slap-down wouldn't be out of order here. The degree and/or amount is debatable.
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Traveling Lady: Yes! Lucina was the perfect choice to tell the tale. I think Ric and Mariano were all as mesmerized, hearing it for the first time in total, as Paloma was.
 

Fatima: Unfortunately I couldn't think of anything else to alliterate and illustrate his smelly se'f than that, but he had to be stinking the joint out. I can't believe that Marilu wasn't turned off sitting next to him at the bar. Blechhhhh!
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NieceMD: I like that storyline and the reason Paloma may very well "adopt" Oriana and Alina at this point. It's a second chance to help somebody and her daughter out of as bad a fix (pardon the pun) as True-nes and her mama eventually found themselves in. Paloma was unable to lift a finger while her hubby was alive, but now she's fully capable of it and of having her own way should she use the power her wealth and position afford her.
 

Sara, you have to remember that 6 year olds still believe in Santa Claus, the Toothfairy, and the Easter Bunny. They are so easy to convince of something if you can make it seem sensible to them or if they trust you. Many times logic doesn't work if they really want to believe something is so, see the references above. In the case of JL, I don't think that Lina will understand how bad her dad is unless she sees him hurting mommy or until she's old enough to grasp these issues.
 

Also keep in mind that Lina thought her dad was dead. She is overjoyed that he is alive and she wants him back in her life badly.
 

I thought Lina was pretty clever to go right to Abuela with her great idea of Dad moving in. She knew mom would say no, or at least not ask Paloma right away, so she didn't bother to even tell her what her idea was. And Abuela has usually given Lina what she asked for in the past like a typical grandma would do. So she thinks that Abuela would say yes to this too, Raquel and Lucina moved in when they first arrived, so why would she say no about Dad?
 

Cathyx- Yes, I thought that was pretty clever too. She has also been quite smart in her counter arguments with her mother. Her questions and rebuttals are logical, and hard for an adult to come up with a justifiable answer. Lina's not dumb, but she is only six and loves her dad dearly.
 

Jardinera -- you inspire me with your Christmas preparations. Onward and upward to the next holiday, if I can just get off the chair and put all of the Thanksgiving/Hanukkah stuff away. Tis the season, though of us in multicultural families have a bit more holiday cheer than we can handle at this time of year.

Vivi -- Tito is a prince and quite a little actor. I think of him as a little dog with the heart and personality of a bigger one. As an owner of more than one small pooch, both nervous poodle mixes, I know from "yippie little dogs" and our Tito did not get that gene pool.

I feel like the proverbial aqua fiesta but I just can't warm to DS or Ricardo. DS is outshone by Mayrin, IMHO, in every scene. She is lovely and perfect in the role. And Ricardo seems pushy toward Oriana and impulsive in his behavior. Every time he says "mi amor" I think of old scratched LPs. I would so love to be convinced otherwise, as this is a good novela that in general I have very much enjoyed.
 

Traveling Lady- Carlos doesn't like Ricky either. But he is usually very hard on galans (and easy on the bad girls). :) I can see why you think Ricky acts really pushy around Ori and doesn't come off as 100% believable when he is wooing Ori (that might be more a DZ issue).

I appreciate that Ricky is quick, smart, loyal, and proactive. Qualities that SO many galans lack.
 

Vivi -- I like your points about Ricardo's positive and too often scarce qualities. I guess I need to go back and read Carlos' postings. I have been AWOL on so many discussions, as i am always behind on this novela.

I did find DS more believable as a galan in Fuerza del Destino. Maybe having the older father figure in the mix helped temper something about the way the role was written for him or the way that he approached it. I was thinking last night how sad it is that Gabriel disappeared so early as he would have been a more effective sounding board for Ricardo than his loyal and smart friends have sometimes been.

And, I also meant to thank Sara for the delightful suggestion that Sandra E. come back as the child psychologist. The world is small and ever-colliding in novelaland.
 

Traveling Lady-I'm not a big fan of Ricardo, either and I think it's DZs fault. I hate saying that because I really like DZ as a person, but I never enjoy his portrayal of galans.

1. The cuffs of his shirts are never buttoned. STOOPID. (But is that DZ playing Ric or just a DZism?)

2. He struts (DZism or Ric? I lean toward DZ since I saw a similar strut in LFDD.)

3. Mouth is too small and prissy (DZ and yes, I know that's petty.)

4. I always find DZ's indignant rage more comical than dramatic.

In the case of MPV I even begin to wonder how important the romance is. I am interested in the Ric/Maria storyline, but as far as Ric and Oriana go I would be perfectly fine with them being friends supporting each other through hard times. There are other compelling stories in this one. I'm really not tuning in for the love story.
 

I like Ric-the actions he takes to support Oriana out weight the idiosyncrasies. I think the lack of chemistry between he and Oriana has to do with Mayrin. She isn't as into Ric as he is into her. And perhaps that's because of the presence of JL-she can't fully commit to the new relationship because she's still married and Mayrin is playing it more reserved. In an odd way, they have more chemistry when they are arguing.


In La Patrona where the galan was married too and not to his true love, the sparks flew whenever he and the prota were in the room even though the galan was in no way as sensible, quick on the uptake as DZ. Yet, Jorge Luis Pila, who was doing his first galan role there, was uber-believeable with the prota. I think DZ's years as a villano stunted him. But, as Sara C said, there's enough in this TN other than Ric and Oriana to keep you entertained and intrigued.
 

sara c.

1, unbuttoned cuffs: I think it is not his decision, rather director's. Because of eyecandy factor.

2, he struts. Look over the zarattini heroes, what i saw: amor real, sorti, lfdd, mpv. They are sometimes wild, nervous and angry. At the same mode: crying female protagonists.

I liked Ivan, Ricardo, and Max (till 144 cap). But I didn't like so much Damian.

AlejoP.
 

Thanks for another most excellent recap, Jardinera. I'm so happy to hear about the new kitten, Catalina. How wonderful for you.

cathyx, I don't think that that brief dunk in the pool would keep the pistol from firing, especially immediately after such a short submersion. Of course it needs to be taken apart, dried out and cleaned as soon as possible.

Vivi, you are right that I'm not a big Ricky fan. Besides some things I've previously mentioned and that Traveling lady and Sara have mentioned, I also don't sense any real acceptance of Lina. He doesn't really treat her in any bad way but only seems to accept her because she is part of Oriana's luggage. In many ways he just doesn't seem genuine.

The way that Maria has been neglected and hidden out is disgraceful. I think that Sebastián is also to a degree the victim of neglect. When informed of Sebastián's abuse of Fabiola I think he said something like, "Great, that's all I needed right now." not "Is Fabiola OK? Was she badly injured?" And then he sends Oriana off to counsel her about contraception? Great... problem solved.

He tries to make himself the focal point of every event and thinks that the most important thing is how it affects him. He's unjustifiably possessive and demanding not to mention immature. He has a rather disturbing (for me anyway) prissy macho arrogance.

Maybe he just needs to lose (not just loosen) that scarf.

Carlos
 

J desde NYC, your comment on Orines, not being all into Ricky, because JL is near, and still her husband...... Well when JL comes up out of the water, and "pops a cap" in Ricky, Ricky is killed, JL in prison for life....Two of Orines problemas are solved. Old Lady Paloma and Orines discover they are related, as an earlier commenter suggested, Orines put on a pair of tight jeans , finds her another "boo" and lives happy ever after.... The End.

- Vivi, (luv the new pic), Mayvin still cries too much in this TN, but it is good drama.
 

AlejoP-I wouldn't have a problem with the cuffs if the sleeves were rolled up, but more than once I've seen him strutting around with the sleeves *down* and with the cuffs flapping around. I don't get it.

As for the strutting, I see what you are saying about the Zarattini archetype. The strut may be part of that.

Carlos-I completely agree with your point about Lina. He hasn't seemed to interact with her at all.
 

So many interesting comments and thoughts, especially from the fellow Ricardo/DS doubters. Thanks, Sara and Carlos, for helping me clarify some of what doesn't seem right.


The Zarratini connection is one I had not thought about. I had wondered what Amor Real's Mauricio Islas or FC would do with the role. Both are probably too old for it now and still night now hit the magic combination needed here of being both a bit larger than life and still not getting in the way of the story. I have a recollection of FC in Manana es para siempre doing that well.

It's interesting that telenovela star power isn't necessarily about being a great actor, but presence and fit with the role really do matter. Fortunately, as others have said, there's so much going on now that the romance doesn't much matter. I do wonder whether something more will eventually be made of Mariano's attraction to Oriana. (There's an actor presence, lighting up every scene he's in!)
 

Lee Fox, LOL! I think Ori has enough boos to last her a lifetime. If she and Ric don,t work out, and when she gets free from JL, she'll want to go to a nunnery before trying to form another relationship. She can't take anymore angustia!

Carlos, everything you mentioned is a product of bad writing and not necessarily DZ. Wrt Lina-he was trying to interact with Lina, but JL messed that up. Lina said that she liked Ric-which is why she told him, after he revealed to her he knew her mother and her's real name, that she might have seen her Dad. He did take her to the fair, and Ric has shown he cares about Lina by how he offered to sell his shares to leave Ori and lina alone. I think JL saying Ric was a child molester, who takes advantage of girls' innocence did more to stop them bonding than anything. Plus Ric did drop everything as an international impresariio to find tito when Matilde dog-napped him.

The whole Fabiola rape scenario was just written awfully and wasn't going to be satisfying to an American audience at all. Everyone behaved badly there-which is why they didn't show us the rape scene. No one thought to treat what happened as a CRIME and were basically triaging by saying, 'Use protection.'

I also think that although Paloma et al were right about Fabiola needing space to grow up, they didn't give her the tools to use that space/freedom wisely. As I said before, Lina, as a girl who's reared by a mom who loves her , talks to her as if she can reason and fosters
her intelligence, wouldn't have believed the crap Sebastian was peddling, even if she was put into Fabiola's body as a six year old. One of the reasons I love Lina isn't that she's cute, but that she loves Math. She likes to use her brain, which her mother supports fully. I loved it when at the first day of school Lina said 'I hope there is a math class. I love math.' Fabiola on the other hand was sent out as a sheep among wolves and no one so far is doing her any favors by guiding her along the way. I don't see why Ruben doesn't at least give Sebastian a black eye.
 

J desdw NYC- Well, Ruben doesn't know anything yet. I surely hope that when he and Cesar find out what happened that they'll put a good beatdown on Sebas. Even Ori doesn't know what happened, because by the time Ricky relayed it to her, all he said was that Fabi and Sebas are having sex. It's like a bad game of telephone. First Fabi downplays what happened to her, although he can see with his own eyes that something really bad happened. Then he downplays it to Ricky, who downplays it even more to Ori.
 

Missing a word-- Fabi downplayed what happened to her to Piero...
 

Loved the recap Jar.

Tito is cute, 1 ear up & 1 ear down, but has he ever wagged his tail?

They didn't show Ric & JL side by side in the slug fest, JL 6'4" 1/2 & Ric a mere 6', except rolling on the ground, where it was less apparent.
DZ has a slimmer stature as well.
Wm Levy is 6', but he looks so much bigger.

 

Thanks Jardinera for an awesome recap. I love your style, your subtle humor included. As much as I'm enjoying this novela, it's strange that I haven't grown attached to any one character. 3 persons I especially want to see happy in the end are Mariano, Lucinda and of course Alana. I don't feel any chemistry between Ricky and Ori so as long as Ricky gets a liberating DNA test and Oriana's charges gets dropped, I'll be satisfied. Despite the fact that Viewerville strongly suspect that Oriana and Paloma are indeed related, during the time that that's not known, somebody needs to tell Paloma to change her will. Oriana is not an heir (at this point in time).
 

unfortunately, now I can't write long, but ITA with J desde NYC in Ricky/Dz question.

In capitulo 26 he went to the playground with Alina, when the boring opening party of casa bonita was.

AlejoP.
 

I actually like the Ricky character. Ricky may not be sympathetic to Fabiola because for 18 years, he was told that he "raped" a woman and it turns out that he was innocent. He probably thinks that chicks will say anything.

I like the way that he acts with Oriana. He's uptight! When he visited Raquel, he was uptight with her too. He stood against the wall and she took over. He gets jealous and possessive because he loves her. I don't want a stalker.

OK, from the desk of Cynderella's TMI files. I once knew a guy who "used to swing" with his wife. He swore up and down that he and his wife had a loving relationship. I question that. To me, jealousy has to kick in at some time. How could he stand that thought of WATCHING his true love enjoying herself with someone else. I think that it's driving Ricky batty because he loves her. DZ isn't a bad actor. I love that way he looks after her and pines after her.

I've been spying on that Robo tn and I ain't feeling Rulli.

Cynderella
 

I wrote my manifesto to say that I agree with J desde NY and Alejo P.

P.S. Ricky said that Oriana is the first person that he's ever fallen in love with. Every one has a crazy side. Oriana brings out his.

Cynderella
 

P.S. P.S I meant to say, I don't wanna stalker, but I would like my lover to be a little jealous and possessive of me. Otherwise, we're just friends with benefits. I'm his "good for now girl".

Cynderella
 

I care about a lot of the characters: Fabiola, Alina, Tito, Oriana, Paloma, Lucina, Mariano and Cesar. I want all good things for these characters by the end. I like Ricky for the reasons I mentioned before. I HATE stupid galans with a passion.
 

Stupid galans are a total turnoff. See Octavio.
And I don't like women who like stupid galans.
 

Ric's lack of stupidity goes a LONG WAY for me. He's only stupid when Oriana says she's breaking up with him. He's like Lucy w/ the football and Charlie Brown. But my favorite scene with he and Oriana was when he told her he knew she wasn't Ines when she left the first time. I just loved how he and Marino following took charge and looked for her. I loved it when he told the innkeeper that he was looking for his wife and daughter. DZ works best in those types of scenes when he's taking charge and being reasonable.
 

Thank you for the recap Jardinera!

Lucina is a great character, and it's not just thanks to the writing but also to the way Cecilia Gabriela plays her.

I think Zarattini's galanes are always smart and a little (or alot) temperamental. The actors can calm the character as written or make them even more high strung, Zepeda tends to do the latter.

I think then that Zepeda fits the type of character that was written but that his work doesn't make the character anymore likeable. Ricardo is just not a very likeable guy as opposed to JL who can be very charming when he pretends to be but ends up being much worse than Rick when his true self comes out.

I've liked Zepeda the best when he played the earlier version of Iván in LFDD. Before he left for the US, Iván used to be very nice and sweet. So, I guess he can play a more mellow character, he just tends to go for the tense/angry mode as a default and that's my guess as to why he was chosen for this particular role.

Jarocha
 

Jarocha - Great analysis of the Ricardo/DS character and acting style. I am hoping that there will be some more development of the character over time that will allow him to bring out the mellow responses more often and to think more clearly (beyond the economic) about his obligations to Maria and Sebastian.
 

I actually think that David Zepeda is a better actor portraying an angry bad guy. He pulls it off in a very believable fashion. He is much weaker as a good guy emoting his love for the lady. His best scenes in this show are when he is angry and lashes out, IMHO. He was perfect in Sortelegio, playing a very twisted angry character. That's when I fell in love with him. Ok, that sounds sick, but I mean as an actor.
 

I will second what J desde NYC, Vivi in DC (especially about the characters including MY wonderful Tito El Bambino), AlejoP, and Cynderella have said re Ricky/Oriana!

Cynderella, we have the same wacko sense of humor. :))

Fatima
 

Jarocha, thank you so much for your observations. I've learned so much about the TNs from you. Thank you!

Fatima
 

I saw DZ in Sortilegio. I thought that he was way too rabid. He needed a rabies shot.

I don't think he's six foot either. Here are my reasons:

Occassionally, I rewatch Sortilegio. He is shorter than William Levy in that show..please review the yellow underwear fight if you don't agree.

Also, I am obsessed with Daniel Craig. His bio says that he is 6 foot. When he was on SNL, he was shorter than all of the cast members. I'm talking barely shoulder height. I looked up the cast member that he was closest in height. It said that he is 5'8". An article with Gweneth Paltrow said that she was 5'9" and she had to remove her shoes because she was taller than Craig. She was saying it. So I say all this to say that I dont believe those websites that state height.
 

Great catching up with all the comments.

Oriana has definitely taken the high road in how she's explained things to Alina. If I were six and my mom told me my loving dad was a money launderer so we had to flee the country, I wouldn't stop loving him. But Oriana hasn't told Alina about JL's real nasty side, the extortion and personal threats - get back with me or risk going to jail.

I like Ricky, but he does manage to do something to annoy me almost every episode, all the stuff you folks have well enumerated. But I do like that nobody's perfect in this TN.

JL is untrustworthy and selfish and will no doubt just get worse. But he's got charm (and is played by DO, 'nuff said). One thing I do like about him is he gives Ori her personal space. He has not tried to hold her hand, kiss her, etc. Even though he bribed to get Ori's room number and opened her door, he stood in the doorway and didn't enter the room.
 

DZ is IMHO plays a better loco/villano than a galan. Maybe it's those beady eyes of his when he squints. Tho, in LFDD, he did rather well as the galan opposite Sandra Echaverria. Could be that the Ric character's been written as a high strung, overprotective, guy with lots of emotional baggage where as the galan in LFDD was not.

I'm still Team Jose Luis. I know, it's disgusting and shameless and any number of other negative -ism's and totally anti-social and anti-PC, but dammit, the guy has sex appeal, smarts, a code of honor among thieves, and half a conscience, and he really loves and respects his wife despite all the crap he caused. Go figure.





 

Jardinera thanks for the recap and allowing us to start such as a great conversation. Add me to the list of those who love Luciana and the actress who plays her. And thanks for more tn info Jarocha.

Anon 9:52 - ITA w/you about the height of actors. When basketball players fib about their height and most are giants, it's not surprising that others who aren't tall lie. In fact a current RB for a NFC team claims he's 6 ft. I'd walk by him in class (I was the teaching assistant) and we were the same height and I'm NOT 6ft;)
 

To our dear Jardinera654, we still think the world if you in spite of your shameless, disgusting, anti-social, anti-PC love of JL.

It's OK, amiga. We understand. :)))

Fatima
 

Jardinera - Right there with ya! I have to work hard to resist JL. It's tragic that he values Oriana (e.g., he knew she had way too much class to hook up with Berto and is not the type, like Joaquin's wife, to be pacified by money and baubles), yet he expected her to forgive him for his dirty dealings.
 

Fatima: Tks! I'm glad I'm forgiven!
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NieceMD: Tragically flawed. Exactly my point! His sins are greater than most husbands are, but his reaction is just like the average hubby's. "--My wife would never accept it." He's still thinking like the hubby of old when he could make himself believe he was a regualar customs officer who became a victim of circumstance and doing illicit activities and hiding his head in the sand, still believing he was doing the right thing for his loved ones and to protect them.

What I don't get is how Joaquin actually could agree to letting him "retire" after one or two major favors. It doesn't usually work that way--at least according to what we've been told up here about that kind of life north of the border.
 

CathyX: I was always told guns don't work after being submerged in water. I expect the thing to jam and Ric to strut away to JL's increasing humiliation.
 

Karen: Welcome! That's what the page is for! ; > ))
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Jarocha: We love it when you drop in to give your cultural insights, as well as the inside 411 goodies about our favorite telenovela peeps. ; ? ))
 

Carlos: Considering black Jack may be the type to appreciate true beauty in the feminine feline form, I may try putting a pix of her up for him to mew over--noting of course that if he's anything like his owner, he'll enjoy a mischievous mewer as well as the next pawlicker of a puss.
 

OMG, I'm so behind with my watching, today is going to be a loooong day!
I'm so sorry I haven't been able to contribute to the comments this week, I don't know what's wrong with me, but my days just slip away, I'm always on the run and when I get home I'm simply too exhausted.
Luckily, I still have to recap, so that forces me to keep the pace one way or another.

Again, I apologize for not being able to comment too much this past November, I am going to try harder, I have to because the recaps are all amazing and this is quite a good show.
 

Just curious, but why have all of the page breaks (the "read more" line) suddenly gone missing?

Fatima
 

Fatima- Not sure. I was wondering the same thing. Mysteriously, the page break did not go away on my post about the new tn.
 

Vivi in DC, I did see that the page break on your post re the new TN remained.

Guess we will never know. :))

Fatima
 

Gracias, Jardinera! Great recap of a packed episode.

Berto, sitting in the bar with his legs open, made me wonder how the stench wasn't wafting around, driving away all the other bar patrons!

I'm getting sick of both Ric and JL. "She's mine!" "No, she's mine!" Dudes, she's not a toy!
 

Kat- Yeah, I think Ori would NOT have been pleased had she been present when they were yelling back and forth that she belongs to one or the other of them.
 

Pfiu!!!
Up to speed with Friday's show and recap now. The ball is rolling, things are really moving along.

About DZ - I never cared too much about him and in MPV, I don't find he has too much chem with Mayrin, who I think is perfectly cast.

I agree with everyone who said what they don't like about Ric, too, especially the part about his ugly lips - no offense to the actor, but he's just not my type.
I don't really care for the main couple, either, I can take them or leave them. But JL is a piece of scrumptious eye candy!!


 

I hope that Maltilde can convince granny to lock that all up for fraud, and that includes Padre Plaid! They way they all ganged up on granny to manipulate her away from coming to the proper conclusion. She has been defauded, including the buxom hotelier who, despite everything, continues to be my favorite character.

I seriously look forward to Maltilde taking the proper measures against all of them, including her philandering-in-his-heart esposo.
 

(I thought I'd edited my post but I guess not!)

I hope that Maltilde can convince granny to lock them all up for fraud, and that includes Padre Plaid! They way they all ganged up on granny to manipulate her away from coming to the proper conclusion. She has been defrauded, by that entire group, including the buxom hotelier who, despite everything, continues to be my favorite character.

I seriously look forward to Maltilde (my second favorite) taking the proper measures against all of them, including her philandering-in-his-heart esposo.
 

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