Caray, Caray!

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Cynderella - Great recap. Your commentary on the no-shirts-ripped-off fight is hysterical.

Hmmm, even Padre Plaid wonders if Ricky really cares for Alina. Some folks just aren't that great with kids even if they do care, and I think Ricky is one of them.

Berto's attack on the butler was vicious and so unnecessary. He could've waited for him to exit. That was so hard to watch. The butler was a nice guy.

Lucina is one sharp cookie. Her no-nookie-plan for Oriana with JL works for me.
 

Oops, thanks Adriana Noel!
 

Well done, Adriana! I especially loved your take on the fight scene. LOL!

I really hope the butler is ok. Such a nice man. And I really hope Berto doesn’t find the guns. But the fridge is where they were hidden, right? And the fridge is currently open…

Ricky has a huge lesson to learn about love sometimes meaning sacrifices. It was brought up again, and again this episode. He doesn’t really understand what it is to be a parent, and to be willing to sacrifice your own happiness for your child. And he doesn’t really understand what it means to love a woman so much that you would sacrifice your own needs for hers. Oriana going back to JL shouldn’t stop him from being there for her, as a friend. That’s what Padre and Paloma meant by him abandoning her. He just doesn’t get it. I do understand him being freaked by the thought of Ori having sex with JL, but really, that’s the least of the worries when he comes to JL, and Ricky needs to get a grip.

I so wish Fabi had confided what really happened that second time with Sebas. I can’t believe the little sh*t is getting away with it!

 

I understand Ricky being freaked out about the possibility of Ori having sex with JL too. But does he really think that Oriana will hop into bed with JL just like that? Surely he understands she's not made that way.

Plus, why does Ricky have to go on about sex in front of Padre Plaid? The man's a priest, not a eunuch. Ricky needs to take that discussion to Piero instead.
 

Thank you Adriana. I think your title is so cute.

I don't think that Piero has designs on Fabiola. I think that he has concern since he is involved with discovering her after the rape, the fact that he could be Sebastian's father, and about having sex with Maria.

I can't believe that JL will win this one with Oriana moving in with him. She better not give him the satisfaction of acting like a normal married couple.

Will Berto find the guns in the fridge? I hope he never thinks to look there.
 

Niecie, I agree with Lucina's plan, too. Sometimes I think she's the only voice of reason in this tn - a good person, but with enough of a mischievalous side to keep us entertained.
Oh, and you're right about the sex talk. Especially since Ric knows how Mariano really feels about Oriana.

Vivi, I had forgotten about the guns being hidden in the fridge. The butler absolutely had to take a sip of whatever that was from the master's fridge, huh?
I agree with you about Ric being too self centered. His life has really been a walk in the park until now, it's enough to look at Seb and realize it - Ric thought for 18 years he was his dad, but he prefered to stay in the shadow, not take true responsability over the boy.
He has a lot to learn, still.


 

Granny is either NUTS or suffering w/ dementia. Granny, phone the cops! Sue for fraud! Don't let them get away with it!

And Phoniana, the loose woman? I won't use the "s" word, but she's giving contraceptive advice to a young gal who's been used and abused and should have listened to her mother! I sure as heck wouldn't listen to Phoniana. She teaches her own daughter to lie! And she keeps uprooting and unsettling that adorable little creature. No wonder she cries! What kind of example of motherhood is she. She apparently has made bad choices her entire life!

Thin lips, the galan, he's unhinged and absolutely cringeworthy. However, thin lips and thunder hips are made for each other; yet that little girl should be taken care of by her father who truly adores her.

Anyway, that's my two pesos.
 

Excellent as well as hilarious Cynderella.

Niecie, you pretty much took the words out of my mouth. Poor Ricky it's all about him and his wants and needs.

cathyx, he didn't even pull the trigger. My guess is still that for only that short a dunk that the pistol would have fired but now we'll never know.

Carlos
 

Thank you, Adriana. I loved your take on the fight, too. Chuck Norris LOL!

I especially appreciate your details because I was grading papers and watching at the same time and missed some things. (I just found out that uvideos is NOT blocked and I watched on my jumbotron SmartBoard...whee!)

I love Paloma so much. I want to be her granddaughter. She makes me miss my Grandma.
 

Thanks Adriana, awesome recap. The fight last night was really unnecessary. In the end it resolved nothing. I hope Raq feels terrible. The only thing she managed to accomplish was both men obsessing more about Oriana. what a bunch of juveniles. poor Fab, she needs help. She looks so tortured. Funny how mummy dearest is absent when she is really needed.
Paloma is simply the best. Heart of gold.


Hanna
 

Great recap Cynderella. I am so Spanish language challenged until I didn't realize that Berto's motive was looking for the guns when he happened upon the butler.

Sorry, I just don't understand Ricky getting so bent out of shape at the thought of Oriana having sex with JL. Over the past 5 or 6 years she's been there, done that and there's Alina to prove it. If she's going to move in with him for Lina's sake or for whatever reason the sex issue should remain personal and off limits to outsiders.

I feel so sad for Paloma. The relationship with Ines and Lina means the world to her. I hope Ines doesn't let her down.
 

Thank you, Adriana.

Pretty Ricky is a little too uptight to make me swoon. And I have to agree, he's been self-centered, too.

I'm still suffering from post-QBA fist fight overdose, so I didn't really care for the battle of the studs. The slow-mo saliva spraying out was very gross. Plus that wet tile looked slippery to me. I was waiting for one or the other to fall down without even being hit. And the fake rain for a fist fight doesn't do it for me anymore than fake rain for a love scene. Meh. I did rather like the end where the gun comes out of the pool, followed by a very pissed off JL. Now that everyone has seen that he has a gun and can be violent, it does increase concern for Oriana's safety if she does indeed go back to him.

I hope the bad guys don't get the guns. And I hope Cielo (the butler) isn't dead. I don't trust my Spanish very much and I do have an active imagination, but did anyone else think that he said he put the guns behind the fridge, not in it?
 

Sara, all the details kill me, these people talk so fast and it's not the usual "mi amor, por favor"/ "no puede ser"/ "no lo voy a permitir" litany - they say stuff that actually makes sense. I'm happy I could help you get all the facts, so many things happen each day, it's easy to miss something truly important.

Hanna, I thought the fight was a little theatrical, especially Ric pushing JL in the pool with his leg and all the slow mo saliva bursting or whatever those were. But then again, most tn fights look so fake, this wasn't so bad, after all.
I think the whole purpose of teh fight was for JL to pull his gun, so Ric can have another reason to worry about Oriana's phisical safety - which she made it abundandly clear she's not scared for.

Reality, Oriana doesn't know about the abuse; what else is she supposed to say: you shouldn't have had sex? It's a little too late for that. If Maddy had been such a good mom, her daughter would have known how to ask teh guy she was with to use a condom.
We definitely can't blame her for the abuse!!
I do love your description of Ric and Oriana - thin lips and thunder hips - it's very funny, even if you say it as it's a bad things (I do have to admit I really don't care for the thin lips, either)
 

Carolina, JL coming out of the water was awesome, I really want to see Diego Oliveira in a galan role after this tn.

Foxy, I think it's normal for Ric to be bothered by the idea that the woman he loves will be having sex with another man, but he's already sure that Oriana will actually agree to it. Like NIECIE said,maybe Oriana won't turn into a horny lunatic as soon as she and JL move in together.
I think Ric's main issue comes from his jealousy - he's jealous because JL, as evil as he is, he's still the HUSBAND, Alina's FATHER, his connection to Oriana could never be denied, etc...

Cathy, Piero might only be interested to help Fabiola for now, but he gives me a certain vibe... I hope I'm wrong.
I think Oriana will move in with JL for now, but the pace is rather fast, something has to happen fast to put a dent in his reunion plans.
 

Adriana-I know what you mean! I have the most trouble understanding business/legal stuff since that doesn't come up enough on TNs to be repititive (or at least I haven't watched enough of them.) I got the "'mi amor, por favor'/ 'no puede ser'/ 'no lo voy a permitir' litany"
down. ;-)
 

Does anyone know when the new Jaime Camil novela (Rosy Ocampo's new one) will start on Univision. Haven't been watching for awhile, but I want to make sure of catching this one at the start. Thanks all.
 

On the contrary, Adriana, this is Mexico, not the hedonistic United States of America where anything goes, where young women become no more than vessels for a man's pleasure. Chastity until marriage, amiga. (BTW, it's also a little late for the contraceptive advice, don't you think?)

I also want to remind all of you that Maltide was RIGHT to question her son's sudden desire to become a priest. Any good vocation director would have done the same. A mother knows, even if her motives weren't 100% pure. Matilde is NOT evil. She raised two great kids, two very innocent souls that have been corrupted before our very eyes. Frankly, I find that sad.

One other thing. What Catholic church has a cross without Christ hanging on it? And what Catholic priest wears plaid? IMHO, this TN was intended for an American audience, not a Mexican one. And, if I am going to be honest, all of these things bother me because I turn to TN's to see a set of values that are distinctly absent from most American TV. If this is a trend, I don't like it.


 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qu%C3%A9_pobres_tan_ricos

Jaime Camil's new novela after Libre para amarte, which is after Porque el amor manda, so it will be awhile.

Will Corazon indomable EVER end?
 

Jazzee- Corazon Indomable ends in about three weeks, and Pobres Tan Ricos will replace it. Uni is skipping over Libre Para Amarte, which was a flop in Mexico.
 

Reality, I think Oriana was trying to tell Fabi that they SHOULD have used protection and she should be more carefull the next time.

I don't think Mexico is this pure land where girls are supposed to remain maidens until marriage; granted, I mostly know the country from tns, but have you seen how much non marital nookie is going around in these tns? And there is no question of the couple not being married or doing some awful sin, unless it comes from a very religious character.

Maddy did raise two good kids, but they sure lack a backbone and any kind of sexual knowledge, don't they? Cesar was almost raped by Raquel, Fabi was definitely raped by Seb - this is the 21st century, keeping the kids sheltered won't do them any good when they have to face life's harsh realities.

Variopinta, rumor has it CI ends in a couple of weeks, but I'm scared they might have some 100 more episodes ready just for us :)
 

Vivi, if Pobres tan ricos goes after CI, then it must mean they'll air Quiero amarte after Mentir, right? That's teh way they did it in Mexico.
I wonder about De que te quero, though, it's very popular in Mexico, but maybe they won't air it in the US, because none of the leads has the star power to pull it off.

Oh, and rumor has it that Silvia Navarro will have a new tn in 2014, possibly with Ivan Sanchez as a galan. How about that for a change?
 

Adriana- It's anyone's guess what Uni will do when Mentir ends. I suppose it depends on how the other tns perform in Mexico over the coming weeks. They have been making these decisions at the very last moment recently. I also hope it's Quiero Amarte, but I haven't really been paying attention to how that one is doing.

I saw that news about SN-- possibly to begin filming in the spring. She and Ivan S. have been touring doing an intense play the last month (Locos de Amor), so I think they would be great together in a tn. Unfortunately, her dad has been really sick, and it even caused them to postpone some of their earlier play dates, so that could influence SN's decision to hop into filming a new tn in the next months.

 

Vivi, Quiero Amarte is doing ok, not great, as far as I could see in their ratings. Right now De que te quiero te quiero is better rating wise.
I must confess I'm not really anticipating QA too much, Karyme Lozano does nothing for me and there are so many characters that will surely take away from mu precious CdlF screen time.
I knew about SN and IS doing a play together, but I had no idea her dad is sick - it would be understandable if she wanted to have more spare time to be with him.

 

Reality, EVERYONE in this TN said Cesar wasn't cut or for the priesthood and that he was doing it to run away from his mother-Oriana said it, Mariano, Ric, Ruben, paloma-everyone knew he was trying to escape, but they allowed it because he's a grown man who has the right to make a decision without his mother always directing his life. That's why all the prota characters supported him. He was finally making a decision for himself and it didn't work out. That is part of being a grown-up. He tried something on his own, he washed out. He'll move on. Parenting isn't just about being right and dictating-it's about empowering your offspring to make their own decisions when they are no longer at your side and allowing them to FAIL as well. Cesar didn't run off to go on tour with daddy yankee and the debauchery that entailed. He ran off to be a priest. I thought Catholics were honored when a child chose religous life? And even if Cesar wanted to live a debauched life, it would still be his business. He's not married and he was the only one out of his nuclear family who got up and went to work for a check every morning. Even in the Bible parable, the father let the prodigal son go away and experience life for himself. Matilde wasn't right at all re Cesar and she isn't right about Fabiola.

The reason why Fabi is in this dillemma now is that her mother didn't prepare her to tackle someone like Sebas. Fabi is obviously attracted and repelled by him b/c of the badboy element that her mother warned her but didn't PREPARE HER to deal with. As I've said numerous times, little Alina in Fabiola's sixteen year-old body wouldn't have believed Sebas' baby-I-love-you lies because Oriana has treated Lina has someone who can think and reason, not an object to control. Matilde and Ruben are bad parents because they didn't prepare their children to transition into adulthood. She prepared them to be puppets-notice that Cesar and Fabi are both attracted to variations of their mother in Sebas and Raquel-sexually and emotionally manipulative people? to
 

I just want to add that I don't blame Fabiola for her rape. I don't even blame Matilde for the rape. I blame Matilde and Ruben for rearing children with good morals but emotionally stunted and unprepared to think, act and reason for themselves. Cesar running away to the priesthood was the first step of trying to become a grown up. And fabi being allowed to leave the house was that step too, but it hasn't worked well for Fabi thus far because of how she has been reared by her parents.
 

I appreciate the thanks, but this pervy and lust filled recap was not written by me! Although I do agree that some shirts should have come off so we could have viewed wet muscles.

Thanks for the recap, Adrianna!
 

J, the only person who can be blamed for Fabiola's rape is the man who raped her.

J, I don't agree with the pop psychology analysis of either Caeser or Fabiola. I discerned for the priesthood so I know what I'm talking about. Reality check #1. It's a long process to get into a seminary. There are many interviews and a psychological analysis. A man has to have a regular prayer life and be an active participant in some ministry. The Mass has to be his life. #2 Caeser's sudden desire to enter a seminary would be a red flag to any vocation director. #3 Caesar was not fleeing from his mother but rather had a crisis of conscience after bedding bimbo. #4 The fact that he's left so soon after entering demonstrates a) he probably didn't have a vocation, and b) Matilde was RIGHT!

Who can ever be prepared for people like Sebastian? You really think it's Matilde's fault that Sebastian took advantage of her? No way, Josefina. Sorry.




 

Reality, the fact that you discount facts and not just my pop psychology opinions is telling. Matilde didn't have some special insight on her son. EVERYONE in this TN said Cesar was doing the seminary thing to get away from Matilde. Even Matilde said that. When she kicked him out the house and Cesar didn't run back home but stayed at the hotel, Matilde said to Ruben, 'He's doing this to hurt me. He knows my dream for him is for him to be a businessman instead he's just a middling/mediocre accountant.' When he was leaving Matilde told him, 'If you don't go, I'll stop telling you what to do. I'll make you make your own decisions.' The seminary thing was for him to finally make a decision on his own and Matilde knew it herself. Also, Matilde didn't reject the seminary because she knew Cesar didn't want to do it or have aptitude for it, but because she didn't want him around indigenous people with cholera and AIDS.
Matilde is admittedly a control freak who wants absolute control over her hubby, and her kids. She wasn't looking out for Cesar but herself. And Cesar was trying to get out from that control.
Raquel was the immediate cause, but Raq symbolized his mother too, an assertive person who was forcing him in one way or another to do things he didn't want to do.

I clarified before your respinse that i don't blame Matilde for the rape but Fabiola's sex and emotional education was severely lacking and allowed her to be attracted to Sebas. Sebas is a rapist but fabi is obviously attracted to him. Why? He's rude, manipulative, immature and controling just like her Mom. Plus, every woman on this board has said re Fabiola that the first time Sebas came to her with his baby-I-love-you-let's have sex on the first date-that obviously no one, especially her mother, told her that boys would manipulate gurls in that way for sex. That's why I blame Matilde. She never prepared her daughter
with the emotional tools to spot an obvious loser like Sebas. All she did was keep her in the house like a nun.

It's not a coincidence that these two emotiinally ill-prepared kids are sexually attracted to manipulative people like their mother, who, may I remind you, purposefully slept with Ruben knowing he was engaged to fidelia to get pregnant so Ruben would marry her instead of Fidelia. Both Fabiola and Cesar with their sex partners are replicating their parents' unfulfilling relationship.
 

Cynderella, "pervy and lust filled recap"? :)) Hahaha
Thank you! I do my best
 

It always amazes me how hard women are on other women. So Matilde is at fault for sleeping w/ Ruben? Ruben bears no responsibility? I suppose you blame Matilde for the inordinate amount of time he spends with the buxom hotelier, her low cut dresses and the too-familiar touching? And Matilde is responsible for all the golf he plays? And it was Matilde who is responsible for Caesar's sleeping the with bimbo, not a full-grown Ceaser? And Matilde for Fabiola's fall? Do you think girls born of feminist mothers wouldn't fall for Sebasitan's line of bull? What about a girl with a promiscuous mom (like thunder hips)? You think she'd be prepared for a smooth talking guapo? How about you at that age? You wouldn't have fallen for it? And yet you think Matilde is responsible?

If this is really what the writers of this show are trying to do -- making Matilde a one-dimentional cliche and finding a homely actress to boot (talk about your lookism) -- then obviously they watched too much Oprah.
 

The actress who plays Mati is not homely. She's actually quite lovely with a beautiful smile. I have seen her in many other tns. She is even more nicely dressed and coiffed in this role. It's this character's attitude that makes her look so ugly.
 

I'm finally getting around to catching up, so thank you Adriana for the recap!

I hope Celio is ok. He must have some awesome knife skills from all that sushi-making he does. Too bad Bumbling Berto caught him unawares.

@vivi: I know, right?! Leticia Perdigon is doing an amazing job! She's been the sweet, long-suffering mama in the last few things I've seen with her--La Fuerza del Destino and Al Diablo Con Los Guapos. She must be having a good time with this one.