Thursday, December 12, 2013
Por siempre mi amor #8 12/11/2013: Stalkers and Shakers
Recap by J Desde NYC
Lo refrito
Aranza freaks out about Sucia getting her a big present, just as Dafne warned; she kicks Sucia who grabs her and shakes her; Lucha and Gabina come in and separate our luchadoras.
Lo nuevo
Feo, with sidekick Gonzo, buys an antique watch from another sketchy-looking dirtbag. He is convinced this present to Isa will have her back with him. He is delusional.
Lucha calms Aranza down from the fight with Sucia but asks Lucha's help to throw the teddy bear over the banister so Sucia can see she doesn't want it. Lucha doesn't want to at first but offers to help if Aranza has no more tantrums (berrinches). Lucha and Aranza throw the bear over the banister and just miss hitting Arturo walking in under the banister. Que esta pasando en esta casa?! (What's going in this house?! ) he exclaims. Your father is gonna fire us, Lucha says to Aranza.
Sucia Plays Possum and Wins
Sucia pretends she loves and understands Aranza and swears she didn't lay a hand on her since she adores Aranza. She conveniently exposes her leg where Ara kicked her, though, to show Arturo that Ara kicked her. "What's that?" Art says. "Oh, just an accident." A horrified Art asks if Ara hit Sucia and she at first denies it and then says "oh it was an accident. Promise me you won't punish Ara." "But she's never hit someone before!" exclaims Arturo. Sucia then lies on Aranza and Eugenia and tells Art that Ara had bad tantrums with Eugenia but she never told him. Art gets really upset, promising he won't put up with tantrums in his house. He puts Ara on punishment. She has to eat in her room and doesn't get her bedtime blessing from Art. Ara, in her room, tells Lucha that she doesn't want Sucia as her madrasta. Lucha thinks such a prospect is ridiculous. If you only knew, Lucha, if you only knew.
Feo Tries It--And Fails--For Now
Feo sneaks into Casa Arte with his presents and fails miserably. Isabel still looks like she's in love with him but she rejects his flowers and his watch with a big ole cachetado-slap-it was an 8. When he tells her she's the love of his life, Andrea was just a youthful indiscretion, Isa loses it. She reminds him he had two children with Andrea, including one while she and Feo were married. When she tells him to get out, he chokes her. She gets away and calls for security. Feo tells the guard that Isa is highstrung/overreacting alterado and needs to calm down; he reiterates that he loves her and she'll fall at his feet. When he says "I love you", though, it sounds like "I'm going to kill you" since he looks so stalkerish.
Isabel, though, later admits that if it wasn't for all the overwhelming evidence from the checks and the video from the bank, she would've believed Feo's "baby I love you's." It's not so simple with me, she tells Gaby. She then tells the security guard to make sure Feo doesn't enter Casa Arte ever again.
Isabel comes home looking rode hard and hung up wet. Her housekeeper Gema offers her a soup to raise the dead! "Save it," says our world-weary Isa "for someone who wants to be revived." She just wants to rest. Gema offers her a tea which Isa graciously accepts. Gema says since Isa doesn't want anything, she'll take the time to watch her telenovela--I love when novelas to this meta thing; it's cute. Isa goes to her bedroom to lie down and encounters Feo. Asked what he's doing there, he, like every good abuser, says Isa forced him to come to her apartment without her permission since she didn't listen to him at Casa Arte. Then Feo does his patented "Say something romantic in a really frightening way," gimmick. He pushes Isa on the wall as if he's gonna choke her again and says "I need you to understand I can't live without you and you can't either because you still love me." Isa, genuinely scared, says she no longer loves him and Feo gets really ugly when he continues his "say something romantic in a really frightening way" scheme asking Isa to sleep with him and everything will be like old times. "I know you want me; that's why you didn't change the locks." Then he says really loudly "Don't deny it. You'll never be able to resist my kisses and touch." Seriously guys, if Jorge Luis Pila, Sebastian Rulli or William Levy had said these exact words to a prota, we'd swoon. But Feo says the same things and scares the heavy metal out of me. Isa screams for help and Gema, who's intently watching her tn, jumps up and calls the police who show up really quickly. See what happens when the help has the emergency services number? The prota lives to fight another day, people!
Two Dirtbags Dirtbagging
Feo kvetches to Gonzo that Isa is resisting his charm offensive and if she doesn't get back with him both of them will suffer economically. Gonzo becomes the brain of this outfit and says, "Well, I guess we're gonna have to tighten our belt around here." Feo resists this but Gonzo tells Feo that he has to let Isa go and find someone else. There aren't many more rich, gullible women out there Feo insists.
Sucia Tries to Get in Where She Fits In
Bruno calls Art and tells him they're going to have to travel overseas in a few months. Bruno suggests that Art should let Ara stay with Sucia when that time comes. Art balks saying that there's too many changes going on in Ara's life and he may not be able to travel so soon. Art seems like he's gonna go, though, as Sucia plays up her friendly mother act, encouraging him to go, since Ara is her nina and she loves her. Blech! Recapper note: Art is wrong here. The reason why Ara believes Dafne is because other than the funeral, Art and Ara haven't mourned together. Ara needs to see Art mourning for her mother instead of trying to get Sucia to replace Sucia as a mother/parent figure. IMHO, Ara and Art should stop working/going to school for a month to stay at home and mourn together to get it out their system.)
Promise Me I'll Never Have a Madrastra
Lucha tells Arturo the reason why Ara is behaving so badly is because she's scared he's already forgotten Eugenia and wants to replace her with Sucia as her madrastra. Art, of course, is horrified that Ara would think this, and tells Lucha that there will never be another woman to replace Eugenia in his heart. He says he'll talk to Ara to clear things up.
Art clears this up at breakfast saying he's not going to marry Sucia. Ara asks that Art promise he'll never marry again and Art promises her. Sucia overhears this while she's walking in the hallway toward the kitchen and looks somewhat defeated. But, como dice el refran "mala hiebra no muere," Sucia manages to ruin Ara's day by mentioning that her father will leave Ara with her alone in a few months. Art looks like he wants to choke Sucia for making Ara feel insecure.
At school Dafne tells Ara that her father is lying to her about his promise not to remarry and about his work trip. All parents lie, she insists. My father did the same thing; he went on a trip overseas and came back and married my step-mother. Ara and the other friend Lilian insists that their parents don't lie to them.
Andrea Rises and Feo Falls
Isa tells everyone at Casa Arte she's hired Andrea, the wife of the man who scammed her, to work at CA. The workers are shocked and Isa insists that Andrea is a victim as she is and she's a good person. "Where's she going to work?" asks Mauricio. Gaby then tells Mau Andrea will be under his tutelage. Isa says Andrea is great with numbers and Mau should try her out. Isa's lawyer says they're gonna get Feo; the cops go to Gonzo and picks Feo up. Yippee!
Avances
Feo wants Sucia to get him a lawyer or he'll spill the beans about her to Arturo.
Arturo doesn't know how to punish Ara. Sucia suggests Ara being sent to Abuelo Osvaldo.
Esteban starts school at Ara, Lilian and Dafne's school. He stands up to Abuela Meanie and gets slapped down.
Lo refrito
Aranza freaks out about Sucia getting her a big present, just as Dafne warned; she kicks Sucia who grabs her and shakes her; Lucha and Gabina come in and separate our luchadoras.
Lo nuevo
Feo, with sidekick Gonzo, buys an antique watch from another sketchy-looking dirtbag. He is convinced this present to Isa will have her back with him. He is delusional.
Lucha calms Aranza down from the fight with Sucia but asks Lucha's help to throw the teddy bear over the banister so Sucia can see she doesn't want it. Lucha doesn't want to at first but offers to help if Aranza has no more tantrums (berrinches). Lucha and Aranza throw the bear over the banister and just miss hitting Arturo walking in under the banister. Que esta pasando en esta casa?! (What's going in this house?! ) he exclaims. Your father is gonna fire us, Lucha says to Aranza.
Sucia Plays Possum and Wins
Sucia pretends she loves and understands Aranza and swears she didn't lay a hand on her since she adores Aranza. She conveniently exposes her leg where Ara kicked her, though, to show Arturo that Ara kicked her. "What's that?" Art says. "Oh, just an accident." A horrified Art asks if Ara hit Sucia and she at first denies it and then says "oh it was an accident. Promise me you won't punish Ara." "But she's never hit someone before!" exclaims Arturo. Sucia then lies on Aranza and Eugenia and tells Art that Ara had bad tantrums with Eugenia but she never told him. Art gets really upset, promising he won't put up with tantrums in his house. He puts Ara on punishment. She has to eat in her room and doesn't get her bedtime blessing from Art. Ara, in her room, tells Lucha that she doesn't want Sucia as her madrasta. Lucha thinks such a prospect is ridiculous. If you only knew, Lucha, if you only knew.
Feo Tries It--And Fails--For Now
Feo sneaks into Casa Arte with his presents and fails miserably. Isabel still looks like she's in love with him but she rejects his flowers and his watch with a big ole cachetado-slap-it was an 8. When he tells her she's the love of his life, Andrea was just a youthful indiscretion, Isa loses it. She reminds him he had two children with Andrea, including one while she and Feo were married. When she tells him to get out, he chokes her. She gets away and calls for security. Feo tells the guard that Isa is highstrung/overreacting alterado and needs to calm down; he reiterates that he loves her and she'll fall at his feet. When he says "I love you", though, it sounds like "I'm going to kill you" since he looks so stalkerish.
Isabel, though, later admits that if it wasn't for all the overwhelming evidence from the checks and the video from the bank, she would've believed Feo's "baby I love you's." It's not so simple with me, she tells Gaby. She then tells the security guard to make sure Feo doesn't enter Casa Arte ever again.
Isabel comes home looking rode hard and hung up wet. Her housekeeper Gema offers her a soup to raise the dead! "Save it," says our world-weary Isa "for someone who wants to be revived." She just wants to rest. Gema offers her a tea which Isa graciously accepts. Gema says since Isa doesn't want anything, she'll take the time to watch her telenovela--I love when novelas to this meta thing; it's cute. Isa goes to her bedroom to lie down and encounters Feo. Asked what he's doing there, he, like every good abuser, says Isa forced him to come to her apartment without her permission since she didn't listen to him at Casa Arte. Then Feo does his patented "Say something romantic in a really frightening way," gimmick. He pushes Isa on the wall as if he's gonna choke her again and says "I need you to understand I can't live without you and you can't either because you still love me." Isa, genuinely scared, says she no longer loves him and Feo gets really ugly when he continues his "say something romantic in a really frightening way" scheme asking Isa to sleep with him and everything will be like old times. "I know you want me; that's why you didn't change the locks." Then he says really loudly "Don't deny it. You'll never be able to resist my kisses and touch." Seriously guys, if Jorge Luis Pila, Sebastian Rulli or William Levy had said these exact words to a prota, we'd swoon. But Feo says the same things and scares the heavy metal out of me. Isa screams for help and Gema, who's intently watching her tn, jumps up and calls the police who show up really quickly. See what happens when the help has the emergency services number? The prota lives to fight another day, people!
Two Dirtbags Dirtbagging
Feo kvetches to Gonzo that Isa is resisting his charm offensive and if she doesn't get back with him both of them will suffer economically. Gonzo becomes the brain of this outfit and says, "Well, I guess we're gonna have to tighten our belt around here." Feo resists this but Gonzo tells Feo that he has to let Isa go and find someone else. There aren't many more rich, gullible women out there Feo insists.
Sucia Tries to Get in Where She Fits In
Bruno calls Art and tells him they're going to have to travel overseas in a few months. Bruno suggests that Art should let Ara stay with Sucia when that time comes. Art balks saying that there's too many changes going on in Ara's life and he may not be able to travel so soon. Art seems like he's gonna go, though, as Sucia plays up her friendly mother act, encouraging him to go, since Ara is her nina and she loves her. Blech! Recapper note: Art is wrong here. The reason why Ara believes Dafne is because other than the funeral, Art and Ara haven't mourned together. Ara needs to see Art mourning for her mother instead of trying to get Sucia to replace Sucia as a mother/parent figure. IMHO, Ara and Art should stop working/going to school for a month to stay at home and mourn together to get it out their system.)
Promise Me I'll Never Have a Madrastra
Lucha tells Arturo the reason why Ara is behaving so badly is because she's scared he's already forgotten Eugenia and wants to replace her with Sucia as her madrastra. Art, of course, is horrified that Ara would think this, and tells Lucha that there will never be another woman to replace Eugenia in his heart. He says he'll talk to Ara to clear things up.
Art clears this up at breakfast saying he's not going to marry Sucia. Ara asks that Art promise he'll never marry again and Art promises her. Sucia overhears this while she's walking in the hallway toward the kitchen and looks somewhat defeated. But, como dice el refran "mala hiebra no muere," Sucia manages to ruin Ara's day by mentioning that her father will leave Ara with her alone in a few months. Art looks like he wants to choke Sucia for making Ara feel insecure.
At school Dafne tells Ara that her father is lying to her about his promise not to remarry and about his work trip. All parents lie, she insists. My father did the same thing; he went on a trip overseas and came back and married my step-mother. Ara and the other friend Lilian insists that their parents don't lie to them.
Andrea Rises and Feo Falls
Isa tells everyone at Casa Arte she's hired Andrea, the wife of the man who scammed her, to work at CA. The workers are shocked and Isa insists that Andrea is a victim as she is and she's a good person. "Where's she going to work?" asks Mauricio. Gaby then tells Mau Andrea will be under his tutelage. Isa says Andrea is great with numbers and Mau should try her out. Isa's lawyer says they're gonna get Feo; the cops go to Gonzo and picks Feo up. Yippee!
Avances
Feo wants Sucia to get him a lawyer or he'll spill the beans about her to Arturo.
Arturo doesn't know how to punish Ara. Sucia suggests Ara being sent to Abuelo Osvaldo.
Esteban starts school at Ara, Lilian and Dafne's school. He stands up to Abuela Meanie and gets slapped down.
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Once again, thank you J desde NYC for the double duty. I haven't had a chance to read but in skimming, I love the name Feo, because that describes him to a tee.
It was nice to see Feo's anvil drop so soon.
Let me get back to reading.
It was nice to see Feo's anvil drop so soon.
Let me get back to reading.
Thank you so much J desde NYC! Double duty on some double doo doo episodes. You so nailed it on the I love you that sounds like I'll kill you line. Feo was really scary last night. Not cool.
I agree about Art e hija needing to mourn together. His heart means well but having So-not move right in is clearly not what Aranza wants. Why is he ignoring that?
I really hope we get some back story about So-not and Feo. How did they get together?
I enjoyed Rita and Osvaldo on Tuesday. I savor the lighter moments when we have them.
I agree about Art e hija needing to mourn together. His heart means well but having So-not move right in is clearly not what Aranza wants. Why is he ignoring that?
I really hope we get some back story about So-not and Feo. How did they get together?
I enjoyed Rita and Osvaldo on Tuesday. I savor the lighter moments when we have them.
A magnificent recap J.
This is so true-: Seriously guys, if Jorge Luis Pila, Sebastian Rulli or William Levy had said these exact words to a prota, we'd swoon." I have to give it to the casters and the actors because they have made Feo's sleazy character believable.
"IMHO, Ara and Art should stop working/going to school for a month to stay at home and mourn together to get it out their system."- I totally agree!! This is paramount. Both of them are suffering and have no outlet in which they can release their grief.
Two Dirtbags Dirtbagging- I love it. It's so true. You are spot on.
Why is Daphne the only one to see through Sucia? Lucha needs to pay a little bit more attention.
This is so true-: Seriously guys, if Jorge Luis Pila, Sebastian Rulli or William Levy had said these exact words to a prota, we'd swoon." I have to give it to the casters and the actors because they have made Feo's sleazy character believable.
"IMHO, Ara and Art should stop working/going to school for a month to stay at home and mourn together to get it out their system."- I totally agree!! This is paramount. Both of them are suffering and have no outlet in which they can release their grief.
Two Dirtbags Dirtbagging- I love it. It's so true. You are spot on.
Why is Daphne the only one to see through Sucia? Lucha needs to pay a little bit more attention.
I'm having a hard time with the Dafne character. On the one hand she seems very mean and hell-bent on compounding Aranza's grief just because she is jealous of anyone with any happiness. She has really pounced at every opportunity; however, she really does seem to be suffering herself and her household doesn't sound like a loving home. The things she says to Aranza are true, but I can't tell if she is really trying to help or just dig the knife in deeper. She is so mean about it. We know she will grow up to become an antagonist, but are they setting her up to be a redeemable one?
I should probably warn everyone that I might go all fan girl on this one. It is starting out so well, Ana Martin looks fabulous, I really want to see Andrea grow and Guy is winning my heart. I had never seen him in anything before.
I should probably warn everyone that I might go all fan girl on this one. It is starting out so well, Ana Martin looks fabulous, I really want to see Andrea grow and Guy is winning my heart. I had never seen him in anything before.
Ugh! And I completely forgot to tell you how great both those titles are. I loathe coming up with titles. I suck at it. Yours summed up the episodes perfectly.
J, another terrific recap. The vocabulary was awesome and I enjoyed your witty comments. "When he says "I love you", though, it sounds like "I'm going to kill you" since he looks so stalkeris", "Asked what he's doing there, he, like every good abuser, says Isa forced him to come to her apartment without her permission since she didn't listen to him at Casa Arte", " Then Feo does his patented "Say something romantic in a really frightening way," gimmick" and finally "But Feo says the same things and scares the heavy metal out of me". Tablet jefa, it seems we enjoyed many of the same lines. Excellent.
Feo was scary last night Sara. However, he showed his true colors by grabbing Isa by the throat. We saw that Feo did still have part of her heart but am hoping this showed her she must crush those feelings forever.
I am also liking Guy. I've not seem him in anything and his understated acting is serving him well here. Isabel is passionate and fiery and they may well make a good match.
Thanks again! Diana
Feo was scary last night Sara. However, he showed his true colors by grabbing Isa by the throat. We saw that Feo did still have part of her heart but am hoping this showed her she must crush those feelings forever.
I am also liking Guy. I've not seem him in anything and his understated acting is serving him well here. Isabel is passionate and fiery and they may well make a good match.
Thanks again! Diana
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: Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 7:52:00 AM EST
: Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 7:52:00 AM EST
J desde NYC- Huge thanks for producing two marvelous recaps so quickly.
Dafne does totally understand evil stepmothers, so she has Sonia's number. But she also doesn't believe that any adult is good because all the ones in her life have let her down. She is obviously a little girl in pain, but her first instinct is to drag everyone else down in her pit of despair with her. Aranza is an easy target for this right now. She is really not handling her grief well, and was very disturbing to hear her screaming that she wants to die too and join her mom.
And Art is sitting in his study, constantly crying silently while fondling the little baggie with his wedding rings. The two of them do need to spend alone time together living through their grief together.
Dafne does totally understand evil stepmothers, so she has Sonia's number. But she also doesn't believe that any adult is good because all the ones in her life have let her down. She is obviously a little girl in pain, but her first instinct is to drag everyone else down in her pit of despair with her. Aranza is an easy target for this right now. She is really not handling her grief well, and was very disturbing to hear her screaming that she wants to die too and join her mom.
And Art is sitting in his study, constantly crying silently while fondling the little baggie with his wedding rings. The two of them do need to spend alone time together living through their grief together.
I understand that you can't just stop loving someone and I know this is painful for Isa, but I'm hoping Feo's behavior last night will snap her out of it.
Family grief counceling... STAT!! I don't think Aranza has as much of Art's grieving as much as we have. No wonder she thinks he is going to marry again.
I also enjoyed your lines about F-No's love words sounding like threats. Yikes! He is so creepy. I was so happy to see the cops nab him, and now with all the charges joined together, it's very unlikely he'll be able to get out soon.
Sara- Very true that Art's stiff upper lip, let's get on with life method of grieving is very different than Aranza's method of grieving. She seems to need time away from her obligations like school and sports (her crying and fainting spells), and also seems to need some cathartic, screaming/crying sessions to help let the pain out. Neither method is better than the other, just different. Unfortunately, there's no one to help them find some middle ground. They need to see a grief counselor.
Oh, and Art made a HUGE mistake promising Ara that he'll never marry again. Great for frustrating Sucia. Really bad for when he eventually meets Isa.
OMG, Vivi! Yes!!! They've been throwing around "te lo prometo"s and "te lo juro"a like there's no tomorrow. All these empty promises are bound to have an affect on Aranza.
Vivi- iTA. Art should not have promised marriage in the future because we all that it will change although Art doesn't know that now.
J desde NYC, Amiga, have not read your recap, yet, but just wanted to pop in and say how FANTASTIC that you are a recapper!!! I look forward to what I know will be a good read. :)
Fatima
Fatima
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 9:42:00 AM EST
: Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 9:42:00 AM EST
J desde NYC:
Terrific recaps! I too liked both your titles. I too like the name Feo so fits this arrogant jerk! It's so funny how he thinks Isa is so into him, NOT!
I agree that Art and Ara need some time to grieve together and to go to grief counseling. It's too bad that Art listened to So-not. She should never have moved in.
I'm not sure about Dafne. I wonder what happened to her Mother? She has mentioned this Step-Mother but not her real Mama. I too don't know if she wants everyone else to suffer with her. It's funny Lili isn't telling Ara the same thing Dafne is cause Lili pointed out to Ara about So-Not with the overnight camping, touching the leg thingy.
That teddy bear on Ara's bed was ginormous like the teddy bear that Chucho bought for little Vale in PEAM. I don't blame Ara for kicking So-Not and I had to laugh at So-Not making "the bruise" look worse with the makeup. I too want to know how So-Not and Feo met.
Feo is very scary all that grabbing by the neck. I can't believe he got by security at Casa Arte. But then again the security guard at Casa Arte was the security guard on PEAM, Gaspar, lol. It's a shame that Isa didn't change her locks at home. I really hope she does it now. I really liked Feo sitting in the jail cell in the previews.
I am really liking Tita and Osvaldo. They make such a great couple. That biker argument was so funny. I like Tita being a free spirit and Tita trying to loosen Osvaldo up. I think they will be an interesting pair.
Thanks again J, for doing double duty with both of these marvelous recaps.
Terrific recaps! I too liked both your titles. I too like the name Feo so fits this arrogant jerk! It's so funny how he thinks Isa is so into him, NOT!
I agree that Art and Ara need some time to grieve together and to go to grief counseling. It's too bad that Art listened to So-not. She should never have moved in.
I'm not sure about Dafne. I wonder what happened to her Mother? She has mentioned this Step-Mother but not her real Mama. I too don't know if she wants everyone else to suffer with her. It's funny Lili isn't telling Ara the same thing Dafne is cause Lili pointed out to Ara about So-Not with the overnight camping, touching the leg thingy.
That teddy bear on Ara's bed was ginormous like the teddy bear that Chucho bought for little Vale in PEAM. I don't blame Ara for kicking So-Not and I had to laugh at So-Not making "the bruise" look worse with the makeup. I too want to know how So-Not and Feo met.
Feo is very scary all that grabbing by the neck. I can't believe he got by security at Casa Arte. But then again the security guard at Casa Arte was the security guard on PEAM, Gaspar, lol. It's a shame that Isa didn't change her locks at home. I really hope she does it now. I really liked Feo sitting in the jail cell in the previews.
I am really liking Tita and Osvaldo. They make such a great couple. That biker argument was so funny. I like Tita being a free spirit and Tita trying to loosen Osvaldo up. I think they will be an interesting pair.
Thanks again J, for doing double duty with both of these marvelous recaps.
I really, really want Sonia to be exposed as Eugenia's murderer. But no one seems to be suspicious at all about her death, and it seems like this will go undetected. I can't see Sonia ever outing herself, either. But dammit, she has to pay for taking away such a lovely person and causing so much grief.
Vivi-I am hoping that somewhere near the end So-not starts monologue-ing and confessing. Hopefully someone will hear/survive to tell the tale.
Madelaine-Feo's comment about the locks royally pithed me off. He is so into himself. As has been said often by Susanlynn and others: Blecchhh.
Madelaine-Feo's comment about the locks royally pithed me off. He is so into himself. As has been said often by Susanlynn and others: Blecchhh.
Did you catch Feo denying Angelito was his kid, by saying the baby is fair and blue eyed, and Isa said thank goodness he looks like his mother. Later when Feo was laughing with Gonzo about denying he's Andrea's baby-daddy, and Gonzo pointed out that his IS the father of the kids and his name is right there on the birth certificates, Feo said something about doing something shady/buying people off to have that changed. Jerk!
Great work here.
Not sure if this belongs here or on yesterday's, but here it goes: Aranza's little dog understands self-preservation. He knows Sucia would kill him in a NY minute but wouldn't dare kill Aranza.
At least for now.
Feo is making me lose my appetite. I had already bathed before the episode but felt I needed to again.
Any bets on when Arturo and Isabel will get together?
Not sure if this belongs here or on yesterday's, but here it goes: Aranza's little dog understands self-preservation. He knows Sucia would kill him in a NY minute but wouldn't dare kill Aranza.
At least for now.
Feo is making me lose my appetite. I had already bathed before the episode but felt I needed to again.
Any bets on when Arturo and Isabel will get together?
Vivi, Fatima, Sara C and Co. Thanks for the compliments! I got no sleep last night doing the recaps but I'm basking in the compliments.
Vivi, yeah, I caught Feo telling Gonzo he can change the records that Andrea and the hijitos are his. I think it's too late for that, though, because Andrea already has the originals and showed them to the cops.
Sara C, ITA with Isa getting over Feo quickly after he showed up at her apartment. I like how the writers have framed Isa's reaction to Feo's betrayal. She's standing firm on prosecuting Feo while acknowledging she still has feelings for him and that she's working
through her feelings. She's doing the right thing while acknowledging her feelings haven,t yet quite caught up with her brain. That's a recipe for someone recovering healthily in my mind.
Madeleine, don't over think the titles. It's
probably best if you just watch the cap, write the recap and a theme will pop out as a title...that's how I do it.
TJ, thanks for posting for me and yes, I was so freaked out by Feo's monologue to Isa. I just stared at the screen and said 'This dude is saying all the galanazo lines in a really psycho way. This is genius!' The writers and the actor did a great job on that scene because it happens while Isa's housekeeper was watching her TN and here's feo saying galan lines and scaring the stuffing out of Is a and Viewerville. That's great writing.
Vivi, yeah, I caught Feo telling Gonzo he can change the records that Andrea and the hijitos are his. I think it's too late for that, though, because Andrea already has the originals and showed them to the cops.
Sara C, ITA with Isa getting over Feo quickly after he showed up at her apartment. I like how the writers have framed Isa's reaction to Feo's betrayal. She's standing firm on prosecuting Feo while acknowledging she still has feelings for him and that she's working
through her feelings. She's doing the right thing while acknowledging her feelings haven,t yet quite caught up with her brain. That's a recipe for someone recovering healthily in my mind.
Madeleine, don't over think the titles. It's
probably best if you just watch the cap, write the recap and a theme will pop out as a title...that's how I do it.
TJ, thanks for posting for me and yes, I was so freaked out by Feo's monologue to Isa. I just stared at the screen and said 'This dude is saying all the galanazo lines in a really psycho way. This is genius!' The writers and the actor did a great job on that scene because it happens while Isa's housekeeper was watching her TN and here's feo saying galan lines and scaring the stuffing out of Is a and Viewerville. That's great writing.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 11:33:00 AM EST
: Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 11:33:00 AM EST
Vivi:
Since the Doc attending Eugenia was like family, I think he just assumed she died of natural causes, no need to check the meds. It's a shame and I wish they had done an autopsy. Eugenia's organs were donated too, and you'd think traces of this non med would be in the organs. Hmmmmmmm.......
Does Gonzo's pad look like it's in 3D? Those floors are just at the perfect angle. Every time they show a scene with those floors, I have to look to the side. It makes my eyes go bonkers ; )
Since the Doc attending Eugenia was like family, I think he just assumed she died of natural causes, no need to check the meds. It's a shame and I wish they had done an autopsy. Eugenia's organs were donated too, and you'd think traces of this non med would be in the organs. Hmmmmmmm.......
Does Gonzo's pad look like it's in 3D? Those floors are just at the perfect angle. Every time they show a scene with those floors, I have to look to the side. It makes my eyes go bonkers ; )
Madelaine, iirc, Vivi said last week that the pills Sucia gave Eugenia were placebos-they didn't do anything, but the looked like Eugenia's pills. So, Sucia killed her cousin by leaving her heart condition untreated even though everyone thought it was being treated. So, nothing funny would show up in an autospy as poison. It's actually a smart way to kill someone because you generally can't prove a negative.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 11:53:00 AM EST
: Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 11:53:00 AM EST
J- Yeah, Feo has no idea that Andrea and Isa are five steps ahead of him at this point. Up till the cops came and told him all the charges, he thought that all his two women had on him was the bigamy, and he certainly didn't think they'd go to the cops about it, and with evidence (like the marriage and birth certificates) to boot! Plus the charges of abuse and abandonement. And he'll certainly be shocked and blindsighted to learn that Isa knows all about his stealing from her, has video and written evidence, and has brought charges. Can't wait to see his face as it all dawns on him!
Agree that Art should never have made that promise to Ara. When he marries again and we know he will she will obviously reject a stepmother based on the load of poison Daph has been feeding her. I was glad that Ara told Lucha who then passed it on to Art so that he could understand where the hurt little girl is coming from. She is clinging to him as the only thing left in her life. The last thing she needs at this moment is a new grandfather coming on the scene and So-not moving in and Art needs to understand that.
I was amazed that Art took off his wedding ring so quickly I know people who keep them on for years after the death of a spouse. It seemed cold to me.
Why oh why didn't Isa who is smart change the damn locks on her apartment. I guess in her heart she never thought Feo would do anything else to hurt her, that is until she felt his clammy hands around her throat.
I was amazed that Art took off his wedding ring so quickly I know people who keep them on for years after the death of a spouse. It seemed cold to me.
Why oh why didn't Isa who is smart change the damn locks on her apartment. I guess in her heart she never thought Feo would do anything else to hurt her, that is until she felt his clammy hands around her throat.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 12:21:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 12:21:00 PM EST
Decide, Art taking off the ring was cold to me too but given how much he loved Eugenia I don't doubt his motives. He is doing the stiff-upper-lip thing even though he shouldn,t at least for Aranza's sake. Remember, this is a guy who chucked his family when they didn't respect his choice to marry Genia and he didn't look back. Once Art makes a decision he sticks with it. I think Art thinks if he doesn't follow -thru with the stiff-upper-lip plan, he'll fall into an abyss of grief. But he should be undone now-it's been about two weeks since Eugenia death, he should be Unglued.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 12:31:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 12:31:00 PM EST
J desde NYC-I'm glad you mentioned the writing. I really feel like the writing staff is acutally thinking and trying to be consistent. As a viewer I don't feel insulted (of course, this could change.)
There have been several scenes that I felt parallelled each other, especially when Arturo and Isa were taking off their wedding rings.
There have been several scenes that I felt parallelled each other, especially when Arturo and Isa were taking off their wedding rings.
Sara, yes, there have been a lot of parallels in the lives of Arturo and Isabel and the writers are telling a consistent story showing how people's lives can fall apart in an instant.
I think Isa is dealing better than Art. She's openly confronting the pain while he's doing the old stiff-upper-lip thing.
I think Isa is dealing better than Art. She's openly confronting the pain while he's doing the old stiff-upper-lip thing.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 12:54:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 12:54:00 PM EST
I should have been more clear on the pills, what I meant to say if she was taking her anti coagulants her blood should have been very thin from taking them, and since she was taking placebos that should have been a huge red flag if they had done an autopsy. That's also why she didn't have another child after Ara. It would have been dangerous in her medical condition.
I like how Andreas face always screams "Im gullible!" ..
Feo makes me crawl and his glasses are hideous.One of the freakiest villians ever i must say aside from Rosendo (Soy tu Duena) and Demetrio from La Madrastra.
I had to laugh when Ara threw that present and Art was like "QTH?!" And the previews are hilarius with Feo sitting there.
Feo makes me crawl and his glasses are hideous.One of the freakiest villians ever i must say aside from Rosendo (Soy tu Duena) and Demetrio from La Madrastra.
I had to laugh when Ara threw that present and Art was like "QTH?!" And the previews are hilarius with Feo sitting there.
J desde NYC- Isa also has a lot of people around her to support her. Poor Art has Aranza, an estranged father and So-not. Tita and Bruno are there for him, but I'm not getting the same vibe from them as I am from Gaby, Mauricio and even Isa's maid.
It was said recently that Isa was moving forward and taking her pain and doing some good for Andrea. I can't remember if I said anything, but I love, love, love that she is doing that. Yes, she is hurting...but she really isn't wallowing (I'm looking at you, Elisa Castañon.)
It was said recently that Isa was moving forward and taking her pain and doing some good for Andrea. I can't remember if I said anything, but I love, love, love that she is doing that. Yes, she is hurting...but she really isn't wallowing (I'm looking at you, Elisa Castañon.)
I also love how Isa is supporting Andrea and not just focusing on her own pain.
As for how their friends and family are supporting Isa and Art-- these are two very different situations. People tend to not want to suffocate you when you are grieving. They want to allow you the space to deal with it in your own way. Plus, Art is Ara's dad. They are leaving it up to him to make the decisions about what is best for his child.
Isa was taken advantage of. Her friends have circled the wagons and are in hyper protection mode to protect her from Feo. Plus, Gaby is by nature a buttinsky. She's already gotten in trouble with Isa about this. She means well, but sometimes she pushes too hard. While Bruno is a man. He needs to DO concrete things, like take over handling the wake and funeral for Art. But he's not going to ask Art how he's sleeping each night, like Gaby does with Isa. That's just not the way guys handle things.
As for how their friends and family are supporting Isa and Art-- these are two very different situations. People tend to not want to suffocate you when you are grieving. They want to allow you the space to deal with it in your own way. Plus, Art is Ara's dad. They are leaving it up to him to make the decisions about what is best for his child.
Isa was taken advantage of. Her friends have circled the wagons and are in hyper protection mode to protect her from Feo. Plus, Gaby is by nature a buttinsky. She's already gotten in trouble with Isa about this. She means well, but sometimes she pushes too hard. While Bruno is a man. He needs to DO concrete things, like take over handling the wake and funeral for Art. But he's not going to ask Art how he's sleeping each night, like Gaby does with Isa. That's just not the way guys handle things.
Vivi
The dynamics between the two sets of people are interesting and also mimic the way things are so different between men and women. Isa's friends surround her and she diverts away from her own pain by helping the equally hurt Andrea. That's what we women do.
Art on the other hand has people around him but while they are willing to help they need to be asked cause macho men don't fall apart, they do the Art thing and bury their feelings and pain.
Poor Ara could use a little more of the Isa type help and a little less of Art's but it is what it is. Really am enjoying this one with the consistently excellent writing and realistic, believable acting. This one is shaping up to be special.
The dynamics between the two sets of people are interesting and also mimic the way things are so different between men and women. Isa's friends surround her and she diverts away from her own pain by helping the equally hurt Andrea. That's what we women do.
Art on the other hand has people around him but while they are willing to help they need to be asked cause macho men don't fall apart, they do the Art thing and bury their feelings and pain.
Poor Ara could use a little more of the Isa type help and a little less of Art's but it is what it is. Really am enjoying this one with the consistently excellent writing and realistic, believable acting. This one is shaping up to be special.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 2:54:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 2:54:00 PM EST
Poor Ara could use a little more of the Isa type help and a little less of Art's but it is what it is.
I am hoping that when Esteban gets to CIH that he can give a little of that Isa support to Aranza. He strikes me as having that kind of personality and we kind of already know that he and Aranza are meant to be ;-)
I agree that this one is shaping up to be special.
Vivi, you watched PVAA in it's entirety...I know this is very different from it but I feel like I get the same kind of vibe. I feel like the writers are really trying to develop characters and while So-not is a little campy, most of the conflict is very true to life. Thoughts?
A little OT: Am I the only one thinking they have tweaked and re-used the AV sets? I sweat Gonzo lives in Frankie and Nikki's apartment. Not a criticism. I am perfectly fine being in the Balvanera house again (under new ownership.)
I am hoping that when Esteban gets to CIH that he can give a little of that Isa support to Aranza. He strikes me as having that kind of personality and we kind of already know that he and Aranza are meant to be ;-)
I agree that this one is shaping up to be special.
Vivi, you watched PVAA in it's entirety...I know this is very different from it but I feel like I get the same kind of vibe. I feel like the writers are really trying to develop characters and while So-not is a little campy, most of the conflict is very true to life. Thoughts?
A little OT: Am I the only one thinking they have tweaked and re-used the AV sets? I sweat Gonzo lives in Frankie and Nikki's apartment. Not a criticism. I am perfectly fine being in the Balvanera house again (under new ownership.)
Work is crazy today, but took a few minutes to walk away from the emails and read your great recap.
So glad for once we had the spunky house maid who called for help and didn't eat her way through a TV show not hearing events in the next room. I swear that man is just creepy...the more I look at him I want to shake Isa and ask her WTH she ever saw in this cretin? That laugh? Man is nuts!!
And I will add myself to the list that punched the pillow when Art promised Aranza he would never marry. No, no and no. I know he is still grieving, but you need to watch that word "promise" around children.
Love how Sucia shows up in the morning all house robe and slumpy. Yeah, that'll catch the man of your dreams. Maybe Art needs to pay attention to his own eye-rolls he does when she opens her mouth or hangs all over him.
Daisynjay
So glad for once we had the spunky house maid who called for help and didn't eat her way through a TV show not hearing events in the next room. I swear that man is just creepy...the more I look at him I want to shake Isa and ask her WTH she ever saw in this cretin? That laugh? Man is nuts!!
And I will add myself to the list that punched the pillow when Art promised Aranza he would never marry. No, no and no. I know he is still grieving, but you need to watch that word "promise" around children.
Love how Sucia shows up in the morning all house robe and slumpy. Yeah, that'll catch the man of your dreams. Maybe Art needs to pay attention to his own eye-rolls he does when she opens her mouth or hangs all over him.
Daisynjay
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 3:05:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 3:05:00 PM EST
Sara- Yes. I do feel that, like PVAA, this one is focusing more on character development, than big and shocking events and high strung drama. I like it. I could see how some might find it dull/slow, but I appreciate the intelligent way it's been written and directed.
They are definitely using a LOT of the AV sets and locations. Roy's house, the Balvanera house, etc. I wonder what else we'll recognize.
They are definitely using a LOT of the AV sets and locations. Roy's house, the Balvanera house, etc. I wonder what else we'll recognize.
About the rings--I understand why he took it off right away. I think it would be too painful of a reminder for Art to have on his hand all day. While he's at work, he's able to forget his grief for those hours. Looking down at his hand and seeing that ring, would just bring it back. But when he goes home, he takes out that satchel that contains his and Eugenia's rings and he fondles it and kisses it and cries. He lets himself feel the pain in that quiet alone time.
I knew that there was a problem yesterday when the recap didn't come up---Thank you so much J desde NYC for doing them both. I'm completely caught up now.
J NYC you had a great line that F-no scares the heavy metal out of you. Yes, that guy is creepy scary, not the kind of person you would want to cross your path while walking home after dark.
You hade a title that I loved Two
Dirtbags Dirtbagging. It couldn't have been put any better.
I agree that dad should spend some time with Aranza about her mothers death. I don't know about pulling her out of school and causing her to loose a semester but yes, they definitely need to take a little time, just the two of them to talk things out and spend some important healing time together.
I want to see more time with Tita y Osvaldo together. That guy was a hoot in Refugio Para El Amor. Who could ever forget him in that one?
F-no in jail for a long time??? I'm not so sure. There seems to be plenty evidence of wrong doing
that would warrant a long time in the slammer but if F-no is kept locked up, what will become of the villain role? This novela is just beginning. He has to be out and causing trouble, wouldn't you say?
the gringo
J NYC you had a great line that F-no scares the heavy metal out of you. Yes, that guy is creepy scary, not the kind of person you would want to cross your path while walking home after dark.
You hade a title that I loved Two
Dirtbags Dirtbagging. It couldn't have been put any better.
I agree that dad should spend some time with Aranza about her mothers death. I don't know about pulling her out of school and causing her to loose a semester but yes, they definitely need to take a little time, just the two of them to talk things out and spend some important healing time together.
I want to see more time with Tita y Osvaldo together. That guy was a hoot in Refugio Para El Amor. Who could ever forget him in that one?
F-no in jail for a long time??? I'm not so sure. There seems to be plenty evidence of wrong doing
that would warrant a long time in the slammer but if F-no is kept locked up, what will become of the villain role? This novela is just beginning. He has to be out and causing trouble, wouldn't you say?
the gringo
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 3:53:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 3:53:00 PM EST
Daisynjay, I love your comment about So-not in the morning! She is really inappropriate and I can't believe Arturo hasn't said anything. Remember how she slimed in him in episode one? He was taken aback then and he should have said something. Even Aranza's friend thought some boundaries were crossed. I think this will have to be a beanie thing for me. I can't fathom that Arturo is that dense.
Gringo- Remember that there's going to be a big time jump in this.
Don Aquiles is a very memorable character. :) Don't think the actor will get a chance to ham it up that much in this tn. Ehria!!
Don Aquiles is a very memorable character. :) Don't think the actor will get a chance to ham it up that much in this tn. Ehria!!
Laughed about the reusing of sets and props. I once saw the same house used in four different TN's and I've been following those pretty turquoise pencils we saw in LFMB through several shows. I once saw some wood or ceramic watermelon slice decorations show up in more than one TN as well. I'm thinking Televisa has a large props department and can't imagine that some of us watch so closely we catch them. LOL
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 4:13:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 12, 2013 at 4:13:00 PM EST
Sara- Alas, the Pear Robe has disappeared.
Decie Girl- Yep, we folk on Caray Caray definitely notice all the little details like reused props. It makes sense that the props are reusued from tn to tn. (Although I don't think any tn will be able to use all the bull decor from Amor Bravio.) What's standing out in this one is that they are reusing locations and sets from just one very recent tn. That makes it stand out more.
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Decie Girl- Yep, we folk on Caray Caray definitely notice all the little details like reused props. It makes sense that the props are reusued from tn to tn. (Although I don't think any tn will be able to use all the bull decor from Amor Bravio.) What's standing out in this one is that they are reusing locations and sets from just one very recent tn. That makes it stand out more.
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