Monday, January 13, 2014
Lo Que La Vida Me Robó Lunes 1/13/14 #45
Labels: robo
I have to admit my love for Angelique Boyer. She can pull off some great love scenes. First was Corazon Salvaje 09, Teresa, Abismo de Pasion, but this one has dethroned her CS love scene, though not by much, as my new favorite of all time. Of course, having hot partners never hurts. :-)
On another subject, I had a conversation a little while ago with a friend on the subject of male rage and its relationship to sexual performance. She doesn't watch TNs and wouldn't, but she also wondered -- as I am -- about Pedro's real problem.
I'll miss those days where love scenes weren't butchered at all. Well, in 2011 at least.
I feel so badly about the beating inflicted upon poor Esmeralda. I suspect that Nadia will never know this happened, but that utterly disgusting Pedro just might flaunt that in her face.
I also fear for Jose Luis.
Oh my, oh my, oh my.
Fatima
Ditto Denise.
Since when are the bozos at Univision the arbiters of good taste? WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?!
Fatima
Thanks so much for this fan-tastic recap. I love your fan.
I really liked that love scene anyway, no matter if it was cut or not. It was just wonderful to see them finally "do the deed". You can always use your imagination.
I am glad that Nadia made Addled face the music with Fina. I just knew Addled was going to out Dimwit first chance he got. To save himself from getting the brunt of the dressing down so to speak. Fina is having none of it and good for her. I'm so glad Addled told her exactly where Dimwit was.
So glad Ale ignored BM completely. She thought she had that ace in the hole about the theft, but nopis, wrong! I'm so glad Monse and Ale were so lovey dovey in front of BM. BM only sees what she wants to see. She will regret all the venom she spews at Rosy too. Wait until she finds out who Rosy really is and let's see her try and talk her way out of her behavior. I am so looking forward to that.
Poor Esme. I'm glad Pedro didn't kill her. Pedro is really violent, into intimidation I think of women especially. Maybe he had a Mama that beat him a lot and so now he takes it out on Esme. He only hit Nadia the one time. I think he knows he can't do that again. I just knew Refugio would show up at Esme's. He always does when he is in trouble.
Poor Angie. I am glad JL and Angie told each other the truth. They are so sweet, I hope later they do have some type of future or encounter again.
I'm surprised Dimwit didn't kill JL, I just knew JL wouldn't kill Dimwit. He is an honorable man and only killed to defend. I hope Dimwit gets a huge anvil, he so deserves one.
Thanks again Urban for this fabulous recap.
Those of you at the Ale table need to start a petition and appeal to Uni to put down the editing hatchet for the remainder to the show.
In the time I worked for Hispanic ad agencies this was never a problem. Now that Univision is #1 network on some nights (esp. Fridays) this is happening.
I'll also bet that this episode aired on a Friday in Mexico. It also airs at 9:30 in Mexico.
HBO is a paid network and not ad-supported. They can do pretty much as they please.
None of this justifies the censorship. I personally find this insulting to our intelligence and sophistication.
See you all in the AM; I'm about to turn into a pumpkin.
JL's life looks like it's about to become more complicated, if that's possible. Poor guy!
And poor Esme. I hope Nadia somehow finds out how her loose lips caused Esme great harm.
I was cheering for Josefina in her confrontation with Adolfo. Looking forward to justice coming to Dimi.
Pobre de Esme! We knew Pedro wouldn't let the insult to his image pass unpunished. What a scumbag he is! Maybe he'll try to hire JL for his enforcing team and JL will end up as a double agent.
So, our lovers made a fresh start. Didn't Montse tell Rosario to move her husband's things into her bedroom? Sounds like they'll be all cozy together. And won't our Miss Maria be furious about that! She just can't believe that Ale is so deeply in love with his wife.
It was nice, as Mads and Vivi said, to see Addled confronted by Nadia and Fina. But what a jerk he is. The accusations just rolled right off his back.
La Paloma, it was my understanding too that Montse asked Rosario to move Alejandro's things into her room.
I loved the moment when José Luis and Angélica chose to tell one another the truth. These two are wonderful together, as characters in the story and as actors.
Hooray! Josefina is back and judging by the preview it looks like she is ready to rumble.
Oh man, that scene with Pedro and Esme was painful to watch. The way he threw money at her was downright hideous, like he can do anything if he pays for it. Damn "limp-d*cked psycho", to quote Lila.
I almost fell off my chair when Montse showed up in a riding outfit. At last she is all dressed up with someplace to go!
I admit, I am shuddering to think of how awful it will be when Ale finds out about Antonio's real identity. I understand that Montserrat will have to bear the consequences of her deception but I am feeling great compassion for her as she moves into a fun and sexy time with her husband that is doomed, doomed, doomed to end when he finds out about Jose Luis.
Tonight I thought I heard the anvil raising words from Montse about nothing ever separating she and Ale again. Caray caray!
Like NM and others, I love Jose Luis and Angelica together. Those two actors have real juice together. They are a very sympathetic couple and I am really pulling for them to find true affection together. My telenovela radar tells me that they are both doomed, but maybe they will find a cure for her cancer and his crimes? Possibly? Hopefully?
Thanks again, Urban. You got this recap up so fast!
EJ
Esmeralda was lucky she didn't end up dead. If she were smart she would get out of town.
Loved Maria having to witness the happiness of Montse and Alejandro. Adolfo didn't even want to marry her.
Yes, the love scene was butchered. UA , I am sure it does all come down to $ as everything does.
Jarifa
Thank you so much for this fabulous recap. I love your style of writing and always look forward to reading your recaps. Oh, and thanks for putting it up so quickly.
Like so many have already commented the Uni scissors are back in full force. Thank goodness for the internet! I am seriously thinking of watching online from now on. I watched the uncut version of the Ale and Montse love scene and I agree that Uni butchered what so many of us had been waiting for. No spoiler here, but the original scene has MUY CALIENTE! It flowed with ease, and was so well choreographed. The Uni version was very choppy. It's too bad, because this scene showed the viewer how close the couple has become and how much they love each other. I think that is an essential part of the character development.
BTW, I saw a lot of skin and action the other day in a love scene on network television. Hmmm...
I am so glad that JL and Angie were honest with one another. I do admit that they do make a cute couple, but I really don't know how they can have a future together. Especially since JL just admitted to Pedro who he really is. I do hope that Angie (and possibly her sister Virginia) will come up with some kind of plan to help JL. Angie might be JL's only hope.
My dislike for Dimibrow grows everyday. He held JL just long enough for the police to find him. I hope Montse finds out that her brother is the reason JL got caught.
From the looks of the avances, bebe (Dimi) is going to get called out. FINA'S BACK! Yay!Payback is a B**TCH!
Hated the scene with Pedro and Esme. It was hard to watch. That Pedro has got some serious issues, and now I am really afraid for Nadia and Victor. They better take cover.
I thought it was kind of funny how we're always commenting that JL looks like he stinks, and one of the first things Esme told Refugio was that he smelled like dirt, and suggested a bath. He!He!
Loved the morning after scene between Montse and the bare chested Ale. And it was so cute how excited Rosario was for the couple. That scene in the kitchen with BM, Dominga and Rosario was good too. I loved the way Rosario shoved it in BM's face that Montse and Ale had spent the night together. Also, later when the lovebirds were leaving to go riding, and Ale didn't even notice BM was in the room. LOL!!!!THAT WAS AWESOME! Again, payback is a B*TCH!
P.S. I loved the way Ale looked in his pajama pants the 'morning after'. Ay Papasito!
Have to get some sleep...hasta pronto!
Gee, I am glad you all cleared things up for me....I thought that I had fallen asleep and missed the rest of the love scene after the great start on the sofa. Yesterday was the first day of the new semester, and I was very tired.
This novela is getting very dark..so much angst and woe.
Wish could say the same about the UNI editors. But really, are we even surprised anymore...disgusted by their scissors, but not surprised. There are far more racy scenes in prime time on the major networks, so their cutting is hardly in line with what network TV is showing. And if an episode is little more racy, put on a disclaimer and the kiddies can hide their eyes (as if they don't watch similar stuff online anyway.) This is just last editing and makes you wonder if they have someone with a bit of an issue with this type scene holding the shears. They'll show a woman getting beaten to a pulp, but cut a love scene. Right.....
This feels so much like the calm before the storm. Gnawing feeling that this goodwill between Ale and Monse will be short lived and we need to go into the required angst stage of having them apart. Always happens.
Dim may have been on to something with his comment on another stupid woman in love with the wrong man...lord there are enough of those in the TN.
Daisynjay
"He embraced her tenderly in mutual sympathy", "unmalicious superficiality", "As he held her face she drew in her breath in pain, as though it resounded like percussion" and "as though they were children in pinafores rather than grown women" were marvelous.
I was confused by Adolfo saying good by to Maria and (gag), actually asking her to go with him. I thought he had indicated his night with her was disappointing and he showed no signs of being enamored with her thereafter (that I could see). Was there some ulterior motive I missed?
Madelaine, I was also glad he told Fina where Dimwit was - sure to be consequences and repercussions there. Good!
Even though censored, I am sure the Ale admirerers enjoyed his abbreviated love scene with Monse last night. Rosario seemed to be as delighted as the couple themselves! :)
Poor Angelica. My heart went out to her - a fatal disease and losing the (unrequited) love of her life! Like NovelaMaven, EJ and others, I love these two together and hope their story has a happy middle segment as their futures separately and together appear bleak and hopeless.
Dimwit is a coward so was not surprised he did not shoot JL. Although a liar, fraud and cheat (among other unenviable traits), I do not think he would murder intentionally. I do consider Luis Gatica's (sorry forgot the character's name) killing an accident.
Pedro is a monster. Poor Esme. Fatima and AuntyAnn, I hated the scene as well. Thank heavens Refugio showed up although the poor man appears to be at the end of his rope - physically and emotionally.
Denise, I agree with you about Angelique (and CS was the better love scene by a hair). She is really delivering here, and as ANON stated she and Rulli really are the ultimate TN stars.
UA, I also loved your title. Another sensational summary.
Diana
Daisynjay, since you mentioned that in your post I am mad enough to chew neutronium over the cutting of that splendid love scene when it's in an episode where another young woman is brutalized. That sends a very negative message to the viewers.
Let's not kid ourselves about whether kids are awake at 9 watching TV; most are. What isn't happening is parental monitoring. If parents aren't keeping on eye on their kids' TV viewing it's on them. The excuse given by the moral watchdogs is an attempt at dictating adult morality which cannot be legislated.
Enough of that.
Dimwit has just as little respect for women as Pedro or he wouldn't victimize them as he does. He plays his mother like a violin virtuoso and tortures his sister behind her back. As I typed that I started wondering whether witnessing that would change Graceless' attitude. In fact, thus far he has never treated Monserrat that abominably in front of anyone else, even Adolfo.
I don't think even Adolfo was that vile toward Nadia.
I hope somebody sees that money before Dimwit can get away.
Loved your description of Maria's "chagrin". If only Maria had taken the breakfast up there and seen them together, darn!
This most perfect relationship between Ale and Monse can only be the prelude to...well I am guessing it will be Angelica that will spill the beans to Ale about the identity of his "capitan".
Does anyone else think Josefina looks like Dimwit's older sister?
Pedro might have been inconvenienced, but I doubt that he would have done anything to him over that. He would just have to find another sleazebag to carry out his dirty work. That is rarely problematical to mastermind villains like him.
For Josefina and Dimwit to be half-siblings would be an interesting twist to this tale. However, if that were the case I think Graceless would have been truly horrified at the knowledge of what happened... and what could have happened.
That love scene sure was something, right? And no need to use sheets to cover stuff, just some glass shade thingy. Quite revealing, too, it shows that the actors are comfortable enough together to agree to shoot such a scene. This is not their first time at the rodeo of fake love making, after all. Haha.
I love, LOVE JL and Angie together. They grew on me without my knowledge and now I'm rooting for them to end up together.
Angie is a sweetheart (and to think I didn't like the actress at first - fool that I was) and I find JL better every day, too.
And their scenes together in the last two episodes had suspense, drama, tenderness - great mix!
I was under the impression that JL will go, what happened, how was he caught after all?
JL was caught by the local police after his departure was delayed by Dimwit.
Dimwit could have gotten away with killing JL who was under suspicion of killing Loreto. I don't think he cared about how Monserrat would have felt about him afterward or whether JL's true identity would have been revealed. He wouldn't care if Monserrat ends up on the streets after the revelation or if this would ultimately kill his father.
I'm not sure he even cares at all about his mother. He is exactly like her in many ways.
Refugio and Esmeralda should try to cross the border. Neither of them has anything to keep them where they are and both have reason to want to leave.
Thanks so much for the superb recap. I am always thoroughly engaged in your retelling of the story. Especially loved your description of the scene between Angelica and J-L:
"Lady Angelica exchanged her truth for this, telling him that she was gravely ill, perhaps soon to die. He embraced her tenderly in mutual sympathy.
Very, very sad and sweet. Both of these characters have suffered a lot and can be of great support to each other. I've never liked J-L more than in his relationship with Angelica.
At last, we get the love scene between Ale and Montse, even butchered to death! I was happy to get to this point and happy for them! The build-up and their asking forgiveness for each other managed to be both touching and steamy. Great work on the actors and writers part. Wish the editors could have left it alone.
Out of curiosity because so many people were mentioning it, I started watching AMOR REAL. I'm trying not to watch ahead of Lo Que, so I don't know any spoilers. It's fantastic, and I get why it was such a sensation. I love Lo Que, too, but I feel like there was a lot more focus on the relationship between Matilde and Manual (very sensual and satisfying even when they're fighting), whereas this novella has a lot less of Ale and Montse and a lot more focus on side characters with dramas. Maybe some commenters have mentioned this before, but I am really feeling the difference.
For example, it only took 26 episodes for Manuel and Matilde to get to their equivalent consensual steamy sex scene, whereas for Alejandro and Montserrat it was 45.
Thanks again, Urban Anthropologist, for your wonderful recap. Loved the pretty pink fan, too!
However, the writers of this series are building up some interesting supporting characters. Because of how long this one will be (I'm currently estimating that 165 in view of the latest info) there will have to be a subplot built up involving Pedro's nefarious activities.
The pink fan was chosen for the shot for Monserrat's chemise.
If Univision is so worried about the messages they are supposedly sending, how do they explain the above?
Furthermore, if you look at some of the other shows that run on Univision, they show brutality in every day life.
I understand Urban's point re Univision's phobias, but this is one of those "culture shock" points for me (as discussed in this past weekend's topic). I will always fail to see their reasoning.
Fatima
I think those tears were ready to fall when JL was captured because that scene between Angie and JL seemed to be the one honest emotional moment that JL has experienced. It was more "real" than any moment he had had with Montserrat and I think JL felt that new and welcoming reality.
Dimwit and Graciela are right up there with Pedro in terms of being monsters. Graciela and Dimwit are cold, cruel, and calculating sociopaths and they deserve a fate to suit their crimes.
Fatima
So are Dimitrio, Victor, Nadia and Pedro in Amor Real? If so, what are their names? Does my question make sense?
I liked the love scene censored or not censored. In my opinion, six minutes would have been to long. Too bad Alex is going to kill his wife once he finds out that Jose Luis was living in the shed. Oh well.
Cynderella
Yes, to the U.S. audience 6 minutes might be too long, but I would have preferred another 30 seconds more of steamy build-up in the boudoir (or sofa) and 30 seconds less somewhere else. Not to mention the editing was a careless hack job.
It bugs me that Nadia has given no thought that her husband might retaliate against Esme. I hope she finds out. Well, Sergio Sendel didn't throw a phone, but he threw the bills at Esme like daggers.
Madelaine, I had a feeling Refugio would show up at Esme's too. When he turned on the lights and saw she was banged up, I got chills.
I'm rooting for JL but I hope Angélica does not get Ale involved in trying to free him. JL’s likely better off playing along with Pedro, long enough to escape.
Yay, Fina is back. And the preview looks good.
Cap'n Sylvia, I would've liked more steamy build-up on the sofa too. Some shows have the knack for creating an aura of hot and steamy when in effect not much is shown at all. If Televisa is going to continue with Univision, they should think about this.
Julia R., I loved Amor Real even though I felt that beautiful Manuel was a very flawed galan who sometimes had a bad temper and made bad decisions. . I think that it was just the right number of episodes to tell the story. Early telenovelas were usually approximately 60 episodes. They just keep making them longer and longer which does not usually seem to make them better and better.
Cyn....in AR, Dim was Matilde's brother (I cannot remember the character's name , but he was played by Ernesto Laguardia who did a great job.). The Viktor character was Sixto in AR, Manuel's business manager/lawyer (?). Nadia was blonde Pilar, Matilde's best friend (played by Ingrid Marz!!Doris in CI) who was married to the older , gordo guy who is Pedro in this novela. Marcario was Silvano.
Cyn... Hey, girl....Six minutes of a lovemaking scene too long...que ?????
I, too, wondered what happened to the money in the suitcase. I hope that turns up somewhere. Adolfo may turn on Dimwit. Neither one of them has any conscience or scruples. They are both a dna mismatch with their sisters.
I hope Nadia and Victor have some kind of plan. She seems to have gone over the edge. Or, maybe she'll be the saving grace that converts Fina into a swan.
Well, El Pricko did just what we feared, beating the crap out of Esme. That really makes me pissed at Nadia and Refugio who seemed more interested in expressing his macho outrage than comforting Esme. His confronting Pricko will only mean a more severe beating, or worse, for Esme! Sheesh!
Ahhhhhhh! The love scene was delisioso and maybe cut? The climax was seeing Maria's mug the next morning when she learned they "slept" together and Ale so enraptured with the beauty of his wife in her riding gear he didn't even notice the fuming Maria! Oh yeah, I need a cigarette now!
Thank you again Urban, I look forward to your further comments and everyone else's.
Lila
I'm not too worried about JL's safety since Pedro seems to have plans for him in his organization. Maybe now we'll finally learn what Pedro's grand scheme is... if indeed he has one.
Once again I'll register a feeble protest over the way the writers are treating María. That little farewell scene between her and Adolfo was simply not consistent.
As for the editing, I think it was more careless and lazy than sinister. I think butchery describes it best. A lot like the CCs in times past, it's more of a matter of someone haphazardly doing a job they were assigned to do and there was no one check to see how well the assignment was carried out. I wish we'd gotten a better look at that breakfast that Rosario took up.
Carlos
I wish we had the cc stuff Gato Viejo used to alert us to. Most of the time it looked like it was translated by a computer but at least it would have filled in the blanks about the food.
Thanks for more information on AMOR REAL. I agree that the story-line in general seems really well-suited to the historical setting, and I am enjoying that part of it, as I am Fernando Colunga's performance.
I also think it adds a lot to the drama that he is a doctor in AR. Wonder why they chose to take that out of the update? I still have no idea what Alejandro studied in university. Maybe it's not important for the drama, but I'd like to know and think it would round out his character, as Manuel's being a doctor really did.
Wow, only 95 episodes! This update is significantly longer. Hope it can sustain it's dramatic tension, though it seems a challenge.
Cynderella: Just to add a little to Susanlynn's explanation, the Viktor character in AR (named Sixto) has nothing going on with the Nadia-like character--at least not yet and no sense of it pending at all. He seems to exist mostly to listen to Manuel (Alejandro in Lo Que) talk about his feelings for Matilda (Montse). Your Viktor in this current TN is way hotter!
I believe Alejandro has a business degree; nothing else makes any real sense.
I think the producers of many of the novelas based on Caridad Bravo Adams' stories like the idea of doctors as heroes. AR is not the only example:
Abrazame Muy Fuerte
La Esposa Virgen
Both of those are also remakes of earlier novelas produced in the 60s or 70s in Adams' lifetime.
Hear, hear, Ladies! ITA on your comments about Uni leaving the obscene violence at the center of the show but cutting the lovely love scene. Honestly.It is clear that the Univision powers-that-be are buying into the stereotype that Americans love seeing violence in their entertainment but hate seeing sex.
When I lived in the UK I learned that even the British thought Americans were puritanical and prudish in their attitudes toward sex.
There must be some large audience that agrees with the censors—where are they?
UA, you are the advertising guru here; is it a large group of potential viewers that Univision is responding to? Are they wealthy and influence makers? Why pander to this group unless they have huge economic power? Are they super-vocal or organized?
UA: I would love to hear your opinion and explanation of this phemonena.
And, Professor Karen, our doyenne of Media Studies, what do you think?
I was repulsed at seeing Pedro act out more violence against women. He is a horrid character and no back-story will explain or excuse his rage and cruelty.
I am still not persuaded that the story will show him to be gay. It seems more likely to me that he is impotent and that that will be made to be the 'reason' for his physical and emotional violence.
EJ, Growling with all of the rest of you...
I'm very ignorant of these things, but I have wondered if what we see on our televisions is a version made by Televisa specifically for sale to certain international markets, rather than a hatchet job inflicted by the United States agent and distributor, Univision. Perhaps we are seeing exactly what they see in Dubai, say.
Of course whether the editing was done in Miami or Mexico City, it is still upsetting that SOMEONE thought our delicate sensibilities needed protection from a love scene but felt we were robust enough to watch a woman being savagely beaten and humiliated by a bully.
Some clients get very puritanical. On the English-language networks there are a lot of programs that set them off and so they pull out of them. NBC had to expect that with the Law & Order episodes that set off hot-button issues about sex like rape, incest, paedophilia, and anything else likely to offend Anthony Comstock if he were alive today. Despite those issues, they supported those programs and budgeted themselves accordingly.
Univision is coming up on the censors' radar because Hispanics are a much larger group than 15 years ago. Not only that, I'm sure that more gringos are watching in order to learn or reactivate their Spanish. If the people I've talked to about it are any valid example they also tune in to look at the hot actors and what the stores require of them.
20 years ago I recorded the 1993 CS and showed the wedding night scene to a friend who was completely blown away.
A few years ago I showed the opening title sequence of El Cuerpo del Deseo to a client in a presentation and she was floored at the sight of Mario Cimarro's bare chest. "This runs in Prime Time?" she asked. We told her that this was completely normal for Spanish-language television. It was an educational moment and this client wasn't an old prude, either.
However, some advertisers are.
One of the reasons I enjoy novelas is that there is no locker-room attitude about sex. When a couple who is made for each other has Romance Novel Sex (and if you've read a goodly number of those you know what that means) it's a deeply religious experience for those characters. That is what prudes fear because their goal is to make everyone feel guilty about sex. Many men fear the images of romance novel and novela heroes because they couldn't compete with real-world versions of them.
For anyone who didn't see the full version of that great scene, let me tell you that it is evident that Alejandro knows his stuff and that -- to quote Tony Soprano -- he whistles through the wheat fields.
I think we need to re-open the censorship discussion this weekend. Here is the discussion we had on this last year.
Now it looks like Pedro is going to get his claws into JL. Poor JL. That man is doomed. I’d like to see him have a happy ending in this TN for obvious reasons, but also because I don’t want Mons to feel guilty for the rest of her life that her family ruined JL’s life.
Madelaine: I’m also looking forward to the moment Maria finds out who Rosario really is.
Novela: “I loved the moment when José Luis and Angélica chose to tell one another the truth. These two are wonderful together, as characters in the story and as actors.”—I so agree!
Sylvia: I think Mons wore those riding pants before. She just didn’t actually ride in them. Glad to see she’s dressing semi-appropriately (what was up with that top?) and is taking a more active role.
AuntyAnn: the difference with Nadia and Esme is that Nadia gets right in Pedro’s face, while Esme, understandably so, was begging Pedro. Pedro preys on the weak. However, this does not preclude his hiring someone to kill her and/or Vic.
Urban: Re: Dim/Fina as siblings--unless Gracie didn’t know. They could share a father.
Julia R: I haven’t seen Amor Real, but that has been a complaint of mine about this TN—not enough Mons and Ale scenes.
Susanlynn: Ernesto Laguardia was in the play I saw with FC. He was a hoot.
Since Fina has mentioned more than once to Nadia about not wanting to be a laughing stock any more, I’m thinking N will be in charge of her makeover. Or maybe Nadia and Mons together, if Fina ends up visiting the Almontes.
From Friday’s ep. During one of the talks that Mons and Ale had, he mentioned Maria and I think mentioned family. Does anyone remember what he said?
Adriana: OT: Cuando Seas Mia--SN has just returned from Europe to find, in my opinion, the most physcially unappealing TN hero I've seen. Flaco says we're about two weeks in. Does that seem right to you?
Nanette
Six minutes for the love scene was perfect. Have you seen the uncut version? If you haven't, I strongly recommend that you do. Rulli and Boyer really did a fantastic job. Damn you Uni scissors!
I have been watching TN for over 20 years, and until recently I do not recall so much editing. Urban ITA with this that you said: "Let's not kid ourselves about whether kids are awake at 9 watching TV; most are. What isn't happening is parental monitoring. If parents aren't keeping on eye on their kids' TV viewing it's on them. The excuse given by the moral watchdogs is an attempt at dictating adult morality which cannot be legislated." When I was a kid, my parents were my censor, not some television network executive. I wonder if things changed at Univision a couple of years ago when there was a change in management. I recall reading somewhere that there was a huge change at the top of the Univision corporate headquarters. Also around that time, there was a huge change to Uni's morning show, 'Despierta America'. If I recall correctly, some, if not all, of the host of that morning show were canned. They brought in a lot of new faces. I think these changes at the corporate level coincide with the changes done to some of their programming and censorship. But Uni better be careful because they are going to lose more and more viewers to the internet. Sorry everyone, but I had to get that off my chest.
ITA with everyone about leaving in the brutal scene between Esme and Pedro. They could have done some editing there. We did not have to see Pedro actually hitting Esme. It could have been implied. I say if you leave in the brutal attack scene, then you leave in the entire love scene. NEXT!
p.s. Does anyone know if the UniVideos online version is the same as the Uni TV version? Just curious.
Back to work...hasta pronto!
What you lost so far: Diego, the galan, could never be with a woman, but met Paloma and totally fell for her.
She was a poor campesina, who worked on the rich hacienda cafetalera with her mother.
The two meet while Diego is there for her grandpa's will reading.
Gramps has two sons and he gives the house and the land to Diego's parents and the company in Mexico City to his uncle.
If I remember correctly, the first grandson in the family to have a son inherits the whole shebang, so the family is torn apart by this. Who will bore the first heir, nearly impotent Diego surely can't, right?
Diego has to go back to London to finish his studies, but promises Paloma to get back for her. After he's gone, she finds out she's pregnant and leaves to find him, but of course Europe is too big and they never get together.
When Diego comes back, a year later, his family convinces him to get married, knowing that he won't have relations with the wife, because he can't.
And that is when Paloma comes back to find out that Diego is married.
At first I didn't like Sergio Basanez, either, but he's considered to be one of SN' best leads. I think he'll grow on you with time, that's how it was for me, anyway.
Urban, your Soprano methaphor!!! Just wow!!! Loved it, perfect way to describe that scene. :))))))
The only time I remember Ale and Montse mentioning BM is when Ale was asking Montse about the missing money. Ale asks Montse why she was so quick to blame Maria for the crime, and she tells him that it was wrong to anticipate it was BM who took the money when she also had someone else in mind, her brother Dimi. Does that answer your question?
Six minutes is a porn scene...I've heard. Not that I've seen one..just sayin'. Ahem.
AuntyAnn, I watched the love seen twice for research purposes. Ahem.
Lila
I have you beat, I watched the scene more than 2 times, for my own purpose, ahem.
Lila,
I am at work right now, but later today I can email you so you can enjoy the scene.
Thank goodness for YouTube -- nice to see the full love scene. Those two crazy kids have some crazy chemistry. Very nice - Loved Ale's little smile of triumph toward the end of the romp. Sebastian Rulli, is for me, the sexiest man alive. At least, this season!
I know I am going to miss this story when it's over. Am just loving it. Although, sniff, missing Juventino and his evil, always munching and mooching ways. Alberto Estrella grew on me with each passing week. Would love to see him in something else.
I gather we are meant to be asking ourselves throughout all this if Ale and Dimi aren't in fact related. That would be great.
AuntyAnn: no this was a different convo in a different ep. She was sitting on her sofa in her room and he was standing next to her.
Glory! I forgot to thank all of you for the compliments on the lists. Thank you.
Ok. The love scene was exactly like this refrain from my absolute favorite sensual love song of all time, "Arianne" sung by Johnny Mathis: I've substituted Montserrat's name:
"Montserrat is made of feelings
So I milk her of her kisses
And I swallow up her breathing
And I taste her where she loves me
And I'm filled to over flowing
But there's always room for more of Montserrat"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn-_hZ9HwLI
Yes. That was a damned sexy assed scene. Sexy enough that I'm not mad at Uni but thank goodness for You Tube! That being said, it could have made a lot of people feel better about the other two (in their opinion) "near rape" scenes.
Lila
And I've watched more tns then I care to admit, too - I don't remember many scenes as revealing and HOT as this one.
Telemundo does it more often as far as I can tell.
Talking about how hot the scene was, after watching several times, just for the sake of research as the rest of you (obviously), I noticed that the kisses weren't real, as in - no tongue was being used. Am I mistaken?
Because I distinctly remember some hot, very REAL kisses between SN and CdlF in Amor Bravio, but their love scenes were not as naughty.
So maybe they were ok with real kissing, but not so much nudity? (I'm mostly thinking about the ladies, since for them it's more difficult).
I couldn't have said it better myself "Loved Ale's little smile of triumph toward the end of the romp. Sebastian Rulli, is for me, the sexiest man alive. At least, this season!"
Nanette:
I will try to find the scene you are inquiring about with Montse and Ale.
Lila & Susanlynn:
Glad to see that you joined the six minute club. Loved your comments, and loved the lyrics Lila.
Did anyone notice what BM told Adolfito when he went into her bedroom to say goodbye? She said that she was 'too much woman', 'soy mucha mujer' when he asked her to go with him. She said she had what it took to catch any guy she wanted. HA! She really thinks she's hot stuff. It's more like she would DO ANYTHING to get a guy. I CAN NOT STAND HER! NEXT!
AB love scenes were pretty low key, but the kissing, I loved!
I don't think I saw any tongue in the kisses between Montse and Ale either. Their chemistry is so hot I don't think it mattered. The caresses and the whole flow of the scene was good enough for me. A little tongue is ok, but you have to be careful because if you start French kissing it can sometimes look messy and sloppy on TV.
Nanette:
I have looked over Thursday and Friday's epi's, but can not find the scene you were asking about. Are you sure they were in the bedroom, or was it maybe the living room? Let me know.
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