Caray, Caray!

Couldn't sleep so I had to do something.

I have yet to watch the original so I couldn't identify the parents of the heroine. If anyone remembers their names I will hunt for photos and add them.
 

urban...Matilde's mother was played by Helena Roja. the father was a familiar face in novelas but I cannot remember his name. he had white hair. he was also the father in Cuidado .
 

I haven't really seen any of these. I have Amor Real on DVD (condensed) but haven't seen it yet. I saw the first couple of episodes of LQLVMR, but wasn't able to stick with it.

However, I LOVE the title "Bodas de Odio." I hate most TN titles, but that's a good one. With a name like that, you know just what you're getting into. I'd never heard of it and had no idea Amor Real was a remake of anything... so I'm very curious about this one.

I am cracking up over the 80's hair and makeup, though. Kinda spoils the epoca feeling when your protagonista looks like she just stepped out of an Adam Ant video.
 

This is SO interesting, Urban! I can't get over the Josefina hairdo in "Amor Real". Is that a bona fide hair do of the time or is it a throwback to another time like the one the current Fina is sporting?

Urban, have you seen the DVD of "Amor Real"? Is it worth purchasing? Is there a DVD of "Bodas"?

Julie, I agree with you. The "Bodas de Odio" title is perfect. Adam Ant! I'm dying laughing!

Fatima
 

Urban, thank you for the lovely pictures. I never saw the original but saw bits and pieces of AR - I really like Adela and miss her. I wonder if she will ever do another novela? I had heard Eduardo Yanez suggested her for AV but...

I thought the storyline was more appropriate for the AV timeframe. Colunga's storyline was different enough so that the character likely didn't receive the unhappy reaction most of us had to Ale.

Thanks again UA.

Diana
 

Ricardo Blume played Matilde's papá, very handsome man, would be perfect as the Spanish general on a white horse.

I just couldn't watch LQLVMR, it would be like watching a remake of Gone With the Wind in present day, how is that possible. To me Rulli is no Colunga.

I first saw Amor Real on DVD, it was so butchered but you knew the unbutchered would be really good. Then I was lucky enough to catch the full TN on daytime. I was not disappointed, it is my favorite.
 

Thank you, Urban Anthropologist, for offering us such a sweet treat! Much appreciated. Looks like a lot of work too to research all this and make it available.

I wish I had seen the other two editions and hope you are right about yet another within our lifetimes.

It's interesting to see these studio interpretations of what the women in particular looked like back in the day. I've fotos of my grandmother, born in the NE of Brasil, in 1895, and her younger sister (who died at 18 of yellow fever). Beautiful, young girl, my great aunt with the once upon a time name of Libia -- or Libinha as they called her. My grandmother never really got over it.

In these very old and small family fotos they look like they could grace the pages of the latest Anthropologie or Free People catalogue. Beautiful, natural hair styles -- pinned up or around the neck and definitely minus all that curly cue craziness in the front -- and handmade, embroidered linen clothes -- gorgeous. Studio versions of the days' ladies have them coiffed and made-up to the hilt, wearing all kinds of overly bright stuff. It's pretty amusing.

And terrific to know that Angie's Papa is a veteran three times over of this deathless tale!

Muita obrigada, once again, and desculpe qualquer coisa, madame, as we say where I come from.
 

Carla with Zarattini changed a lot the original plot. So LQLVMR is the remake of BDO for sure.
I don't like the main pair in AR, but it's a good story. A can't say the same about LQLVMR. I know, that they changed a previous plot. That is why may be a lot of things puzzled me a lot.
By the way, in the book Caridad Bravo wrote about Russia. I can only imagine how far from the reality she was.
Alegria
 

Variopinta...you and I are definitely on the same page. I love FCC and Amor Real, my second favorite novela. I have heard Amor real called the Mexican Gone with the Wind. It is a great , sweeping story. I love the characters, costumes, buildings, etc.
 

Diana, I haven't watched AR or Bodios de Odio but I love Adela Noreiga despite her incessant crying in tns-but that's just the writer's fault, who have her always suffering. I've watched her in 'Maria Isabel', which is only available on YouTube dubbed in Portuguese--I caught it when it was rerunning on Telefutura a few years ago and on YouTube in Spanish--and now I'm watching her in 'El manatial', also on YT. She's just a great, believable actress who should still be acting because she's so talented.

Also, wherever Carla Estrado is hiding out, she needs to come back too. I've loved, often without realizing it at first, every TN she has
been the executive producer on.
 

Kika Edgar's hairstyle in that photo looks more 1840s, which is why I think Veronica Jaspeada is made to look 1980s in the current version.

Magdalena's parents in the original have different names from Monserrat's parents in the current one; I'd like to know what they were. There aren't as many photos online for that as for the two later versions but I have no problem with trying to find what's there.

In answer to the DVD question, most novela DVDs aren't worth purchasing. They are so cut down to less than 10% of the full running time that they are basically souvenirs of the original. While they often have the best of the love scenes they usually leave out the great confrontations.

Which means that the slaps and catfights will also be left out.

There is no DVD of Bodas de Odio and the book is out of print. I don't think that any of Adams' books are currently available.
 

Wikipedia (admittedly not 100% reliable) says Carla Estrada has something coming up in 2015 called "A La Luz del Angel."

I've seen her period pieces Alborada and Pasion and loved both. I expect to love Amor Real when I get around to seeing it.

But Sortilegio - I watched it for about a week and gave up because it was so harsh and dark. Whether I would have liked it better if everyone had been wearing period costumes, I have no idea. But I will look forward to this Luz del Angel and hope for the best. (I hate the name, though!!)
 

j Desde NYC...ditto
 

Urban:

"Bodas de Odio" is available in Spanish as a Nook Book, it's only $7.99 at Barnes and Noble.
 

UA: You are quite the scholar. Thanks for putting this out for us.
 

Adela Noreiga's incessant crying was the only flaw in AR. She & FC has some hot love scenes, ¡Dios mio!

Telenovela had an excellent recap, in Spanish, but scene by scene, complete.
 

Urban:

My bad, the Nook book I listed is not by Caridad Bravo Adams. It's by another author and the plot isn't the same.
 

Adela Noriego is one of my favorite telenovela actresses. I wish she would come back .
 

http://novelasyseries.univision.com/chismes/article/2011-10-25/carla-estrada-perdio-el-angel

article on La luz del angel

It looks like it was cancelled or put on the back burner.
 

La luz is about this woman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonieta_Rivas_Mercado

Talk about Maite Perroni, I hope they find someone better than that.
 

Susanlynn, Adela Noreiga is my favorite TN actress thus far. I've heard Silvia Navarro is amazing, too, but I love Adela. She just oozes every character she's playing. She makes you believe it. Plus, when she plays, mestizos/hard-luck characters you believe it because she has dark hair and dark eyes. I totally miss her acting; she never makes you forget she's the lead because you always care about her.

I think she would've knocked it out of the park as Oriana in MPV. So many of us stopped caring about the leads in that one. But Adela never lets you forget she's the prota. Even when she cries, I'm more bothered by the sound than facial expression, which looks pretty and anguished all at once. That's a skill!

I'm watching 'El Manantial' now and Mauricio Islas is her galan and she had to leave town basically eight hours after the galan's father raped her-it makes sense when you watch-and Mauricio tries to stop her from leaving by running after the train and he says 'no me dejas' (don't leave me, in such a non-overacted but sincere way) and she just tears up when he says it and I was heartbroken for the two of them because he doesn't know about the rape and she doesn't want to leave him, but because of the circumstances she has to.
 

J desde NYC, ISTA with everything you said about Adela Noriega. I would love to see her in something new.
 

Oh, for the Fidelia of MPV fans-the same actress plays the mistress of the villano in 'El Manantial'.
 

Thanks Urban. No couple IMO has chemistry the way Colunga and Noriega had in Amor Real. I agree that it ranks as Mexico's Gone With The Wind.

Thanks for researching and getting these pictures for us. The remake of Josefina in Amor Real was really quite stunning. And Chantal was totally despicable as our current Maria but without as much threatened violence.
 

Judyb..amen to everything you wrote.

j desde NYC...Adela had great chemistry with both Fernando and Mauricio inAR. As you stated, she makes you believe what she is feeling. Her beautiful, delicate features are so expressive. I really miss her.

P.s. I got a kick out of Manuel always calling his rival by his full name as if it was one word...aldofosolis !!!

I also loved the dance sequence in the opening and the dance in the final episode.
 

I'm probably never gonna watch 'Amor Real' b/c I have a visceral distate for Colunga-he just has the most soulless eyes, IMHO. I watched most of Abrazame Muy Fuerte until his character showed up and loved it but I don't like him and think the prota in that one, played by Aracely Arambula, was better off with the galan played by Pablo Montero. But that's just me.
 

Thanks UA. for the new weekend discussion.

Susanlynn: dying to know what your fav TN is.

J desde NYC: Silvia Navarro is my fav. I've never seen Adela Noriega, but from what I've read, she's very good and very popular. Unlike you, I like FC. He's my fav galan, though I also liked Juan Solar in CME.

Nanette
 

Nanette..my número uno novela is Alborada, and the galan Don Luis (Fernando Colunga) is my favorite galan of all time. I loved AR , but Manuel behaved so badly at times, I had trouble considering him a hero until the very end. My third favorite novela is Pasion. I love historical novelas , and I love FC.
 

Variopinta, I totally agree with you re Maite Perroni. She is a far, far, FAR from the likes of Silvia Navarro. Perroni is just an airhead ingenue with no substance (of course, I base that on one TN that I could not even finish!!)

Fatima
 

J desde de NYC

Don't judge FC from Abrazame Muy Fuerte , I couldn't even watch it & FC is my telenovio.
 

It was Aracely Arambula whom I couldn't stand in AMF (or anything else she's ever done). And specifically to AMF I couldn't understand why those two guys were attracted to her in the first place. Jose Maria grew up with her and should have thought of her as a baby sister; she thought of him as a big brother, which was appropriate. Carlos Manuel should have been attracted to someone more educated and more sophisticated.

Cesar Evora's villain was very creepy in his obsession with her.

I love novelas de epoca and my favorites were the 1993 Corazon Salvaje, Alborada, and 1991's Yo Compro Esa Mujer.
 

I missed the great historical TN era. I know I can catch them online or when they're re-aired on TV. I might do that when there isn't a new one I want to watch on any of the three stations that show novelas in my area. Problem is, that never seems to happen.
 

Urban- Here's a link to the synopsis for the 1983 Bodas de Odio with the names of the characters and the actors, and a few pics.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/223031/message/1242689880/*%26quot%3BBodas+de+odio%26quot%3B*%28M%E9xico,+1983%29*
 

In this photo of ladies from Bodas de Odio, we have Christian Bach (Magdalena/Monserrat), Ofelia Cano (Nadia), Magda Guzmán (Tia Carmen/Carlota) , and Julieta Egurrola (Josefina)-- notice this Josefina and current Josefina are both darke haired, tall beauties:

http://cdn.noveleros.com/photos/bp/134154_prof.jpg

Notice that the events of Bodas de Odio take place later than the events of Amor Real, hence the different costumes.
 

Thanks, Vivi; I will put that one up on the article. the first one doesn't come up for whatever reason.

I got a few screen grabs to add, too.
 

Urban- Here's a site with pics of much of the Bodas de Odio cast. Hope it's helpful: http://www.angelfire.com/film/bodasdeodio/bodasdeodio.indices/bodasdeodio.el.htm
 

I was having an editing problem so I will have to add the other photos tomorrow. I did get some shots of Magdalena's parents which were pretty good.
 

Corazon Salvaje 93 was wonderful. I saw it on DVD & any chopping didn't take away from it. This is definitely a case of , don't mess with near perfection, especially by Mejia.
 

Just added a couple more photos. Hard to believe that Magda Guzman from the original was Ruffina in ENDA.
 

Urban, you are amazing! This is so incredibly educational for newbies like me. Thank you so much for your incredible efforts.

Vivi in DC, you amaze me, too with your ability to bring up all of these important "odds 'n ends"! I like seeing so many brunettes in these photos.

Thank you!

Fatima
 

Urban --The 1840s note you make is interesting and makes a big difference in terms of hair and costume. Thanks for that -- had not occurred to me and, yeah, really fun to think that has had something to do with Josefina stuck in the 80s. Thanks for the insight.

I watched Eu Compro Essa Mulher in Rio with my mother and grandmother in the mid to late 60s. TV Globo. First soap opera I can recall seeing -- along maybe with the Sheik de Agadir. I will look up Eu Compro ... I had always assumed it was originally an original Braz. novela, written by Gloria Magalhaes, but perhaps not because I'm more the novela emotive and less the scholar. Thanks again for these amazing photos. And for the wonderful research.
 

Just to say that UA with her scholarly approach inspires. I looked up Eu Compro essa Mulher (so glad you like it so much), saw it was televised in 66 in Brasil. I would have been 10 years old and have very little memory now of childhood but I do remember that I was supposed to be in bed at the hour of broadcast and when I say I saw it with Mamae and Vovo what I really mean is that I used to slowly crawl under the massive dining room table in our apartment in socks and pajamas and hide and spy into the next room tv area. Until one night when Leila Diniz suffered some kind of horrible acid in the face event and I screamed, frightened the hell out of the ladies, and got dragged back to my room by the ear. Good times.
 

I had to divide my comment in two parts because it was too long, lol, sorry:

Part 1.

I don't like Amor Real as much to be honest but I understand why it got so much love. The production was great and all the characters were great besides the main couple. I loved Adolfo Solís and Mauricio Islas was the true "lead" for me.

Bodas de Odio was extremely popular too. I remember when I was little that it was considered a classic and as revered by those who watched it as Amor Real is by the people who watched that version. Since I didn't see Bodas de Odio I can't opine on which version was better but I can at least attest to a simmilar type of reaction from the audience. Of course, everybody believes their favorite version was the most popular. Amor Real has the advantage, however, of coming at a time where less "classics" were being made and thus the importance of its success was bigger for the network and maybe more noticeable for the audience.

When it comes to writing, Amor Real was definitely better adapted than LQLVMR but my main gripe is that when you have such a weakling type of character, like Matilde and you put her with an abuser like Manuel, it's just extremely hard to watch. While the situation in LQLVMR is more unnacceptable due to the times, Monserrat does have some spunk and her own flaws that give her a certain strenght that Matilde lacked and it feels less like watching a bull stampede over a duck.

In terms of acting, I prefer Sebastián Rulli to Colunga and Miguel Palmer and Christian Bach to Angelique Boyer and Adela Noriega.

I don't think I ever saw Miguel Palmer playing an angry guy, he was always such a gentleman in everythig I saw him in. Not to say that he didn't play those types of parts, I just never saw them. I can't picture him in the role at all but maybe he was good. Rulli gets the most unnacceptable character due to the time setting of his adaptation but I think he hits some notes that Colunga couldn't.

Bach has become OTT in her older years (like Daniela Castro has) but she was a great heroine in the 80's, she was like Silvia Navarro in that she used to give a certain strenght to her heroines so her take in this character has always peaked my curiousity. From the versions I watched I liked Boyer better than Noriega, mostly because I can't watch Adela Noriega.

I don't think I ever got to see Frank Moro in anything but I definitely prefer Mauricio Islas to Luis Roberto Guzmán. Islas is just great at giving his characters a palpable emotional core, wether they are galanes or villains, you always feel for them. Adolfo Solis had a softness and a sweetness to him that I just loved and he was just such a true romantic hero. There's something about Guzmán that I don't quite like, especially when it comes to his scenes with Montserrat, his love comes off obsessive rather than pure and sincere. The writing has something to do with it because he has better material with Angélica but that's when I most realized I prefer Islas because even in those scenes he was still the superior performer.


Jarocha
 

I had to divide my comment in two parts because it was too long, lol, sorry:

Part 1.

I don't like Amor Real as much to be honest but I understand why it got so much love. The production was great and all the characters were great besides the main couple. I loved Adolfo Solís and Mauricio Islas was the true "lead" for me.

Bodas de Odio was extremely popular too. I remember when I was little that it was considered a classic and as revered by those who watched it as Amor Real is by the people who watched that version. Since I didn't see Bodas de Odio I can't opine on which version was better but I can at least attest to a simmilar type of reaction from the audience. Of course, everybody believes their favorite version was the most popular. Amor Real has the advantage, however, of coming at a time where less "classics" were being made and thus the importance of its success was bigger for the network and maybe more noticeable for the audience.

When it comes to writing, Amor Real was definitely better adapted than LQLVMR but my main gripe is that when you have such a weakling type of character, like Matilde and you put her with an abuser like Manuel, it's just extremely hard to watch. While the situation in LQLVMR is more unnacceptable due to the times, Monserrat does have some spunk and her own flaws that give her a certain strenght that Matilde lacked and it feels less like watching a bull stampede over a duck.

In terms of acting, I prefer Sebastián Rulli to Colunga and Miguel Palmer and Christian Bach to Angelique Boyer and Adela Noriega.

I don't think I ever saw Miguel Palmer playing an angry guy, he was always such a gentleman in everythig I saw him in. Not to say that he didn't play those types of parts, I just never saw them. I can't picture him in the role at all but maybe he was good. Rulli gets the most unnacceptable character due to the time setting of his adaptation but I think he hits some notes that Colunga couldn't.

Bach has become OTT in her older years (like Daniela Castro has) but she was a great heroine in the 80's, she was like Silvia Navarro in that she used to give a certain strenght to her heroines so her take in this character has always peaked my curiousity. From the versions I watched I liked Boyer better than Noriega, mostly because I can't watch Adela Noriega.

I don't think I ever got to see Frank Moro in anything but I definitely prefer Mauricio Islas to Luis Roberto Guzmán. Islas is just great at giving his characters a palpable emotional core, wether they are galanes or villains, you always feel for them. Adolfo Solis had a softness and a sweetness to him that I just loved and he was just such a true romantic hero. There's something about Guzmán that I don't quite like, especially when it comes to his scenes with Montserrat, his love comes off obsessive rather than pure and sincere. The writing has something to do with it because he has better material with Angélica but that's when I most realized I prefer Islas because even in those scenes he was still the superior performer.


Jarocha
 

Part 2.

As for the rest of the casts, I think the ensambles are all mostly fine. Each version has its veterans that gave the best of them and helped elevate the story.

Just by name the Bodas de Odio cast is SO impressive. Magda Guzmán, Ofelia Cano, Julieta Egurrola, etc. those are huge names. It's hard to compete with that in terms of prestige but those people have had thirty years to continue to prove themselves. Who knows, maybe in thirty years we'll be impressed by the names of the younger members of the LQLVMR cast.

Amor Real also had really prestigious names as well as very well regarded actors and a younger cast that played their parts well and made their characters very likeable.

The setting is impossible to beat for both Bodas de Odio and Amor Real. The Revolution and the Reforma Civil War are two of the most romantiziced periods of Mexican history. Even if LQLVMR decides to fully take on the war on drugs (which Televisa has never done and would have made more sense if the story was set in Michoacán than Campeche) there's nothing romantic about it because we are currently living it.

LQLVMR has had the most meddling by the network and you can easily tell. They had to air a month ealier than expected and have now been extended another fifty episodes. That's crazy and I fully expect to see a circus soon.

The great part of a writer as popular as Zarattini and a producer like Estrada is that they have the weight to at least avoid extentions and keep the script as tight as they want it.

To end, the opening sequence, the Amor Real one was lovely but I didn't think the song fit the story setting at all so that used to annoy me and I hate the whiny voices. The Bodas de Odio tune was the most fitting but the images are very badly aged and El Perdedor from LQLVMR is nice but the images are nothing special.

I think novelas de época should have a theme that fits the time period and avoid using effects or animation because there's a big chance that those will age with time and you'll get the feeling while watching that the sequence belongs to a different period than the rest of the story.

Jarocha
 

Sorry for that double post of the first part. The blogger said that my comment hadn't been posted so I tried again.

Jarocha
 

Jarocha - Thank you! Looked these over on a busy afternoon but will look them over with care. Many thanks for taking the time. Looks so great to read and absorb -- Maria
 

Jarocha, thanks for your comments. I also don't like getting a contemporary song as a theme for a novela de epoca and I love that the 1993 Corazon Salvaje has a full orchestral score.

I also think that Sebastian Rulli is a better actor than Fernando Colunga. There is more complexity to him and his facial expressions are better. We won't even talk about physiques...

I am catching up with the original now and I love how they used the actual music of that period. The costumes and furniture are also beautiful, but you can see that this is a studio-and-backlot production.
 

Urban:

I really enjoyed the music in Corazon Salvaje too. It felt very cinematic.

Bodas de Odio had a very low budget from what I understand (like most productions in the early 80's) but I think several things hold well from what I've seen in clips from youtube. Today I watched some and I got the impression that Frank Moro played the character in a more gentlemanly way than Luis Roberto Guzmán.

Jarocha
 

I agree. I've seen the first 5 episodes.

Also, Jose Luis is an officer in the original, as is Adolfo in AR. It's a function of the eras of those two stories.

Which leads to the next major difference between those and the current version: With no actual war taking place, the one logical thing they can do with the military is deal with drug smuggling, hence the Navy instead of the Army. That has the potential to get very ugly very fast and be a distraction from the main issues between the characters.
 

Jarocha- Thank you for your thoughtful analysis. I just love it when you bring your insider perspective to these conversations.
 

I think the drug smuggling situation is unfortunate for Campeche, because that's not a state anybody thinks about here when it comes to drug related crimes and violence. Campeche is in fact one of the safest Mexican states today and could use the international tourism. I can't imagine the authorities that were gladly helping Televisa with their locations being happy to be perceived as a particularly dangerous place, especially since Televisa just ended Corazón Indomable without a single mention of the war on drugs and how that affected Tamaulipas, one of the most affected states by the drug cartels.

Corruption in a small town is one thing, but a full violent portrayal of the place would just be a mistake.

Vivi and Maria:

I also enjoy very much to share my thoughts here so I'm the one grateful for the opportunity to share my thoughts. Caray's recaps and comments and Urban's weekend topics are very interesting and fun to participate in.


Jarocha