Friday, August 15, 2014
De Que Te Quiero, Te Quiero #157, 8/15/14
De que por poco me dormí, me dormí
Can anyone recap for me Tuesday (August 19th)? It's Open House and I won't be home til late.
The beginning bits may be a little out of order.
Alonso's secretary is a dirty, rotten spy. What does Al care if Karina as an admirer? The sneaky broad managed to get Oscar's name and to pass it on to Al. Al calls the hospital, but Oscar the camillero (hospital porter/stretcher-bearer) is on his break.
Mali mentions that Brigitte is starting to show. She gets a tongue lashing from Brat. Carmen reminds Brat a child is a gift. Mali feels bad for setting off Brat. Poor Mali.
Simona is good at business. Even Vicente likes her. Nat pouts. Somebody said conejillo de Indias (guinea pig) at the meeting, but I didn't catch the context. I think Irene was concerned about Telerman not having a lot of experience with fashion textiles and using Eskenda as the guinea pig to expand their business (I completely made that up, but it sounded good didn't it?)
Rod goes to the airport. He is cleverly disguised in a white cap and shades. Reina fans know that only BLACK caps fully disguise the wearer.
Tad's art exhibit. Nat invited Al and Irene invited Diego. Each is trying to prod the other's romance. Simona is not on the guest list. Diego tries to name drop "Tad is my tío político" (uncle-in-law.) Nat is a turd and refuses to help get her in. Luckily, Irene has some manners and Simona gets in. Al pressures Irene to jump back into the relationship. She says she still needs time. Nat thought bubbles that her dad must be proud everything is perfect except that Simona is there. Nat says something rather rude. Nat tells Simona her life story.
At the airport, Rod mugs a security guard and takes his clothes and weapon.
Nat and Al commiserate. Nat wonders if Simona has any faults. Al promises to let Nat know if he finds any.
Brat obsesses about her baby bump in the mirror. She doesn't want to eat. Suddenly she decides to be nice to Carmen. Carmen promises to be there for Brat. Juarever.
Police purse Rod in the airport parking lot. El catches up to Rod and tells him to drop his weapon. Rod makes a move to shoot. El fires, but alas, Rod is not dead. They arrest him. As he is taken away, he sees the ghost of Alberto. The ghost looks happy. Maybe now his soul can rest in peace.
Al surprises, digo, scares the hell out of Irene by waiting in the back seat of her car with roses. She's just about to kiss him (QTH? She just told him a few minutes ago she needed more time!) Diego's call to Al interrupts the moment. Diego reports Rod's capture.
Rod confesses.
Fake passport guy is arrested.
Vicente visits Rod in jail and begs him to plead insanity so he can get the psychological help he needs. Rod tells him no way.
Nat tells Carmen about Rod's arrest. Carmen tells Brat. Brat is Cara de oh crap.
Vicente continues to try to convince Rod to plead guilty by reason for insanity. Rod is still refusing. Vicente recognizes that he helped create the monster that Rod is by never setting limits on his nieto consentido.
El arrives at Carmen's to arrest Brat. Rod has testified that Brat gave him the watch to help him escape and they were going to share the money and head to the Cayman Islands together. Brat cries and denies, but I am not cool with this because CARMEN DOES NOT DESERVE THIS PAIN! KARMAGEDDON SHOULD NOT AFFECT INNOCENT BYSTANDERS.
Diego approaches Nat and tells her he now knows thanks to Rod's confession that it was Brat in a wig at that hotel. Not Nat. He hopes one day Nat can forgive him. Simona comes in. I've stopped paying attention.
Carmen, Paul and El watch the interrogation tape. Carmen cries. Poor woman. El tells her they have to wait to see what the judge says.
Avances
- Nat begs.
- Nothing about the stinking will. QTH? Are they going to pull that out of their butts at the last minute?? Was it a red herring??
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Sara, this was smart and savvy, as always.
"KARMAGEDDON SHOULD NOT AFFECT INNOCENT BYSTANDERS" and Reina fans know that only BLACK caps fully disguise the wearer" were among my favorites.
I've liked Nat but am annoyed at how childish she is being concerning Simona. Petulance does not become her. I can see why she is scared though. Simona seems to have it all - personality, warmth and pretty to boot. Too bad she didn't come to her senses sooner.
On the flip side, it appears Irene has lost any sense she previously possessed. I hate that Alonso is pushing so hard so soon and that for her, seemingly at this far too early stage, resistance is futile. Sigh.
I have to admit I felt for Grumps. Count Rod in on those not using their little grey cells tonight. Insanity would appear to be the only thing that may work. How exactly is he planning on beating this otherwise?
My heart hurt for Carmen. No mother deserves the pain Brig is bringing.
Loved the embedded vocabulary Sara. Thank you.
I'm still in shock over Robo's conclusion tonight. Thank you for giving me something to smile about Sara.
Diana
"KARMAGEDDON SHOULD NOT AFFECT INNOCENT BYSTANDERS" and Reina fans know that only BLACK caps fully disguise the wearer" were among my favorites.
I've liked Nat but am annoyed at how childish she is being concerning Simona. Petulance does not become her. I can see why she is scared though. Simona seems to have it all - personality, warmth and pretty to boot. Too bad she didn't come to her senses sooner.
On the flip side, it appears Irene has lost any sense she previously possessed. I hate that Alonso is pushing so hard so soon and that for her, seemingly at this far too early stage, resistance is futile. Sigh.
I have to admit I felt for Grumps. Count Rod in on those not using their little grey cells tonight. Insanity would appear to be the only thing that may work. How exactly is he planning on beating this otherwise?
My heart hurt for Carmen. No mother deserves the pain Brig is bringing.
Loved the embedded vocabulary Sara. Thank you.
I'm still in shock over Robo's conclusion tonight. Thank you for giving me something to smile about Sara.
Diana
Permalink posted by 
: Friday, August 15, 2014 at 10:44:00 PM EDT
: Friday, August 15, 2014 at 10:44:00 PM EDT
Thanks for the recap. Even though I watched the epi, you clarified a few things that I didn't quite get due to being "Spanish language challenged". For that reason I hope you (or someone) will elaborate on the politically incorrect statement Nat made. Was it that offensive that it can't be shared?
Reminds me of my Catholic upbringing many moons before movies were rated. Someone (the priest I think) would go see the movie and say whether or not it was fit for the rest of us. :-)
Back to the story,
Sara you mentioned Rod's white cap, the thing that stood out for me was the shades. They stood out like a sore thumb since he was the only one wearing them. Thanks otra vez!!
Sue NY
Reminds me of my Catholic upbringing many moons before movies were rated. Someone (the priest I think) would go see the movie and say whether or not it was fit for the rest of us. :-)
Back to the story,
Sara you mentioned Rod's white cap, the thing that stood out for me was the shades. They stood out like a sore thumb since he was the only one wearing them. Thanks otra vez!!
Sue NY
Permalink posted by : Friday, August 15, 2014 at 11:02:00 PM EDT
: Friday, August 15, 2014 at 11:02:00 PM EDT
Sue NY--hmm. The phrase was "como el negrito en el arroz". KInd of like "sticks out like a sore thumb." In Nat's case she was meaning "like a thorn in her side." I just didn't like the sound of it. I know it's just a way of saying "something that doesn't belong." But with the way Nat said it, it just seemed really nasty. (And mea culpa, my quick perusing of wordreference results may have led to some misunderstanding on my part.)
Diana-That Robo fin was crap. I didn't even follow the show and I don't like the ending.
Diana-That Robo fin was crap. I didn't even follow the show and I don't like the ending.
Gracias, Sara! Even Mr. 5ft was asking me "Is anything actually happening?" And we're both wondering what's left if Rod is taken care of. I'm still seeing "La Gata" touted as the next show up, but they still aren't giving a date, just "soon."
Yep, the context for conejillo de Indias is correct. Telermann doesn't usually do fabrics with such a high cotton content...they're more into synthetics, but since what Eskenda needs is cotton/cotton blends they're willing to take on the "challenge."
It occurs to me that the way Nat talks about Simona is the way Brigitte talks about Nat. Simona, Simona, Simona! And similarly undeserved until Nat underwent her personality change.
Yay for Big Al! I love it when he shows up!
"Al surprises, digo, scares the hell out of Irene by waiting in the back seat of her car with roses." Word! It's called "stalking," little Al!
"Brat cries and denies, but I am not cool with this because CARMEN DOES NOT DESERVE THIS PAIN! KARMAGEDDON SHOULD NOT AFFECT INNOCENT BYSTANDERS." Agreed! Poor Carmen! I'm glad that Paul is at least stepping up and helping.
I don't even want to waste any brain cells on Nat/Diego/Simona, but I can't help it! She wants him back and she's wiling to pull a "Brat" on Simona to make that happen...but not willing to tell him the important info about the wig? And then she reminds him about the bad, barely-consensual sex...and this doesn't remind her of why she doesn't want anything to do with him? And she's still withholding forgiveness for him not believing in her...but she wants to get back together with him?
I'm shocked that Rod just gave up on the scheming and confessed.
Yep, the context for conejillo de Indias is correct. Telermann doesn't usually do fabrics with such a high cotton content...they're more into synthetics, but since what Eskenda needs is cotton/cotton blends they're willing to take on the "challenge."
It occurs to me that the way Nat talks about Simona is the way Brigitte talks about Nat. Simona, Simona, Simona! And similarly undeserved until Nat underwent her personality change.
Yay for Big Al! I love it when he shows up!
"Al surprises, digo, scares the hell out of Irene by waiting in the back seat of her car with roses." Word! It's called "stalking," little Al!
"Brat cries and denies, but I am not cool with this because CARMEN DOES NOT DESERVE THIS PAIN! KARMAGEDDON SHOULD NOT AFFECT INNOCENT BYSTANDERS." Agreed! Poor Carmen! I'm glad that Paul is at least stepping up and helping.
I don't even want to waste any brain cells on Nat/Diego/Simona, but I can't help it! She wants him back and she's wiling to pull a "Brat" on Simona to make that happen...but not willing to tell him the important info about the wig? And then she reminds him about the bad, barely-consensual sex...and this doesn't remind her of why she doesn't want anything to do with him? And she's still withholding forgiveness for him not believing in her...but she wants to get back together with him?
I'm shocked that Rod just gave up on the scheming and confessed.
This is the first show I've seen where the writers have been so inconsistent with the characters' personalities. Nat doesn't seem herself anymore.
Awesome as always Sara.
"Nat tells Simona her life story."
"Brat is Cara de oh crap."
"KARMAGEDDON SHOULD NOT AFFECT INNOCENT BYSTANDERS."
In the interest of full disclosure, for those of you that may have missed it, I think Nat is a whiney, little cry baby.
El - aim for the head
Irene - Just Reward
Brigitte - did you think this a game
Alonso - a leg humper by any other name is still a leg humper
Nat - it's easy, when the big fish in a little pond, and not so, a small fish in a big one
Diego - roll over and let her rub your belly
Simona - you're hiding a tail or something
Paul - stepping up to the plate
Carmen - heart torn asunder
Karina - no hon, you are not free to choose, you are a vassal
Vicente - little late to introduce tough love into the conversation
Rod - it ain't over till it's over
"Nat tells Simona her life story."
"Brat is Cara de oh crap."
"KARMAGEDDON SHOULD NOT AFFECT INNOCENT BYSTANDERS."
In the interest of full disclosure, for those of you that may have missed it, I think Nat is a whiney, little cry baby.
El - aim for the head
Irene - Just Reward
Brigitte - did you think this a game
Alonso - a leg humper by any other name is still a leg humper
Nat - it's easy, when the big fish in a little pond, and not so, a small fish in a big one
Diego - roll over and let her rub your belly
Simona - you're hiding a tail or something
Paul - stepping up to the plate
Carmen - heart torn asunder
Karina - no hon, you are not free to choose, you are a vassal
Vicente - little late to introduce tough love into the conversation
Rod - it ain't over till it's over
For those who wonder about Hotscar, the actor's name is Jose Luis Badalt and he is in La Gata as a character with the name Willy.
"Rod goes to the airport. He is cleverly disguised in a white cap and shades. Reina fans know that only BLACK caps fully disguise the wearer."
Loved that, as well as" Brat is cara de oh crap" and "I've stopped paying attention." As a card-carrying ADD type, I can relate to the latter statement!And always find it very endearing, Sara.
Natalia was awful last night. Not just with Simona and Diego, but also by egging on Stalker Alonso when her dad's ashes have barely been scattered. Jeez! Hasn't anyone heard of a decent period of mourning?
This telenovela is just a mess right now, but our recappers continue to shine with their humor and insight, as do the commenters. So I'll stop kvetching and just say thank you.
Loved that, as well as" Brat is cara de oh crap" and "I've stopped paying attention." As a card-carrying ADD type, I can relate to the latter statement!And always find it very endearing, Sara.
Natalia was awful last night. Not just with Simona and Diego, but also by egging on Stalker Alonso when her dad's ashes have barely been scattered. Jeez! Hasn't anyone heard of a decent period of mourning?
This telenovela is just a mess right now, but our recappers continue to shine with their humor and insight, as do the commenters. So I'll stop kvetching and just say thank you.
Kvetch away, JudyB! I think we are all a little disgruntled because this started out as a kind of cute show and it seems to have gone a little off the rails. Kind of like those annoying carts at the grocery store that pull to one side and you have to fight with it to keep it going straight.
Oh Lord...and I ALWAYS get those carts. And also get in line behind someone who pulls out a wad of coupons at the last minute or wants to fight over some charge on the bill. Puh-leeze! Although grocery prices these days. A friend of mine whose graduate school daughter and beau were visiting, recently wrote me that she was "tithing at Giant Eagle". Yep, we all are these days.
Simona seems too good to be true, but if she's the real deal, then she definitely deserves better than Dopey!
Permalink posted by : Saturday, August 16, 2014 at 10:37:00 AM EDT
: Saturday, August 16, 2014 at 10:37:00 AM EDT
Yeah, the Simona thing is throwing me off too. She really is a nice girl with a good head on her shoulders. How are they going to break up her and Diego? She hasn't done anything to deserve a bad end or a break up.
I love Simona and she is too good for Diego and handled the attempt to suck her into all the drama well. There is something the matter with her. She is a functional literate and pretty to boot. She has no place in here.
"There is something the matter with her. She is a functional literate and pretty to boot. She has no place in here."
Ah Tofie. You nailed it. Also, glad to know you ARE that wobbly cart. Now vamoose out of my supermarket, please!
Ah Tofie. You nailed it. Also, glad to know you ARE that wobbly cart. Now vamoose out of my supermarket, please!
Hello, Im glad I found this forum because this novella is starting to bug the hell out of me. The writing has been atrocious and inconsistent. I liked Natalia in the beginning but now they've made her into a little whiney, bitch. I caught the little preview of the next episode and it looks like she pulled some stunt and got him back. I feel bad for Simona, but like I said the writing has been god-awful and juvenile. It's like everything was written on the fly with no forethought of the future.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, August 16, 2014 at 12:38:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, August 16, 2014 at 12:38:00 PM EDT
Thanks so much for your recap, Sara. ITA w/you about Carmen but its going to be hard to have Brat get any type of comeuppance and not have Carmen with a broken heart.
The inconsistent writing, I argue, is another pitfall of having a tn that is too long. It also means the writers didn't plan when they knew in advance this was a long tn. Why have Nat suddenly become Brat? And Simona is from world because her character is so rationale.
Sadly, this episode was really annoying and with that horrible ending on Robo, I was just vexed all night.
The inconsistent writing, I argue, is another pitfall of having a tn that is too long. It also means the writers didn't plan when they knew in advance this was a long tn. Why have Nat suddenly become Brat? And Simona is from world because her character is so rationale.
Sadly, this episode was really annoying and with that horrible ending on Robo, I was just vexed all night.
I wasn't watching Robo, but I noticed that Univision Novelas on Facebook posted an alternate ending video.
Alternate ending
Alternate ending
Anon at 12:38, welcome, and boy did you hold out for a long time if it's just beginning to get to you now! You must have a lot more patience than some of us do!
Hello 5ft,
I was the anonymous from 12:38, and thank you for the welcome. I actually started watching about 5 episodes before Natalia found out who her parents were, so I'm sure I missed a lot. I know I'm late, but I felt that Natalia could've very easily defused the issues with Diego by telling him what was going on with Rodrigo, I mean why keep it a secret?? I also felt that her giving her virginity to Diego to prove innocence was incredibly stupid and lazy writing, there were many other ways to prove it but they just used it like it was nothing. But now she seems to have forgotten that that was why she didn't want to be with him again in the first place and she's become some psycho, stalking chick. If Diego breaks up with simona and gets back with Natalia Monday, I'm done with this show.
I was the anonymous from 12:38, and thank you for the welcome. I actually started watching about 5 episodes before Natalia found out who her parents were, so I'm sure I missed a lot. I know I'm late, but I felt that Natalia could've very easily defused the issues with Diego by telling him what was going on with Rodrigo, I mean why keep it a secret?? I also felt that her giving her virginity to Diego to prove innocence was incredibly stupid and lazy writing, there were many other ways to prove it but they just used it like it was nothing. But now she seems to have forgotten that that was why she didn't want to be with him again in the first place and she's become some psycho, stalking chick. If Diego breaks up with simona and gets back with Natalia Monday, I'm done with this show.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, August 16, 2014 at 6:29:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, August 16, 2014 at 6:29:00 PM EDT
What I don't understand is WHY no one plans for epic episode numbers. It's pretty much understood now that there's going to be more than 150 episodes. I know they SAY it's because the ratings are good, but I seem to recall that TdA didn't have great ratings and it was 176 episodes.
Sara- Thanks amiga! I still haven't seen the epi, but it seems that the only thing worth watching is Rod's arrest. How are they going to continue to drag this out for another two weeks? Yes, bad planning on the part of the writers, and now Nat's character consistency is what's suffering.
Welcome, Bryan!!!
Welcome, Bryan!!!
I had the same thought, Vivi. They could wrap this up now. We know they didn't because we know how many episodes there are. I suspect things are not going to be pretty for the next two weeks.
Bryan, it looks like that's exactly what's going to happen, though sometimes the previews are misleading. Good grief, they put a lot more effort into making misleading previews than coherent episodes sometimes!
Vivi and Sara...maybe we'll have a trial? And there's still Caprico to be saved. Two weeks is a lot of time to get through that. Really, two episodes is sufficient.
Vivi and Sara...maybe we'll have a trial? And there's still Caprico to be saved. Two weeks is a lot of time to get through that. Really, two episodes is sufficient.
AND THE DADGUM WILL!!!
I know I'm harping on it but I'm not a fan of loose ends. I know they are inevitable with extensions, this is a big one and actually seems like it was part of the original pre extension plot.
I know I'm harping on it but I'm not a fan of loose ends. I know they are inevitable with extensions, this is a big one and actually seems like it was part of the original pre extension plot.
Welcome Bryan!!
Kat, yes ITA w/your assessment of the Nat/Diego situation. There were some really bad things that went down (the name calling, the lack of trust) between them and they both need to grow up. And then poor Simona needs another show.
Also the inconsistency w/Irene wanting Aloser to wait and then almost kissing him? These writers have been disappointing.
Sara, that is the one thing that is so annoying about these long tns. How do you have all those episodes and leave loose ends like the will? And why bring in new people in the final weeks (the guy for Karina, yes; poor Simona in this bad love triangle, no)?!! How does Grumps get away with not addressing this? If he were really reformed, he would come clean on this.
Kat, yes ITA w/your assessment of the Nat/Diego situation. There were some really bad things that went down (the name calling, the lack of trust) between them and they both need to grow up. And then poor Simona needs another show.
Also the inconsistency w/Irene wanting Aloser to wait and then almost kissing him? These writers have been disappointing.
Sara, that is the one thing that is so annoying about these long tns. How do you have all those episodes and leave loose ends like the will? And why bring in new people in the final weeks (the guy for Karina, yes; poor Simona in this bad love triangle, no)?!! How does Grumps get away with not addressing this? If he were really reformed, he would come clean on this.
Oh and Kat thanks for the alternative ending. However horrible I thought the one we saw was, I would have been really grumpy if they had shown that one.
The will! Yes, that's right! Grumps needs to fess up about that already. I count this as another instance of bad writing/plotting/pacing...Rosa brought this up forever ago and then contracted amnesia. If they'd shown some of her thought process, I might accept that she's making the decision not to bring it forward for some reason, but instead it just feels like "Oops! We weren't really ready to deal with that yet so, uh...could you just forget that we mentioned it at all? Thanks!"
Karen, you're welcome! Sounds like they chose the lesser of two evils, huh? That sucks. It's bad enough to stick with a show until the end even though it's lost its appeal, but to also not get the payoff of a good gran final on top of that is frustrating!
Karen, you're welcome! Sounds like they chose the lesser of two evils, huh? That sucks. It's bad enough to stick with a show until the end even though it's lost its appeal, but to also not get the payoff of a good gran final on top of that is frustrating!
I'm wondering if Nat is acting this way because this is the first time they've broken up where Diego has gotten involved with someone else. Still don't like what they are doing with Nat's personality, but had to find some sort of something to explain it for myself.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, August 16, 2014 at 10:31:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, August 16, 2014 at 10:31:00 PM EDT
Lol...that works, Nanette :) She never has really had to "fight" for anyone's attention/affection before. Even when Diego was with Diana, she always knew Diana was no competition. She just...um...never learned how to fight fair?
Great recap. thanks for your dedication Sara. I agree that the statement "como el negrito en el arroz" made by Nat was one that our culture would definitely consider politically incorrect even though in Latin cultures it's considered a term of endearment. I have to agree with Martin Luther King on this one. I'd much prefer to be judged by the content of my character than the color of my skin. That said, despite the negatives things we say about Nat, to be fair, I'd bet my bottom dollar that she meant it the way it is understood in her culture.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, August 16, 2014 at 11:43:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, August 16, 2014 at 11:43:00 PM EDT
Kat: I think she's still pretty young and immature when it comes to relationships.
Welcome Bryan.
Welcome Bryan.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 3:38:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 3:38:00 AM EDT
Nat is not 16 anymore, though she acts it, but 26. At what point can she not plead naivete. I counter she does have relationship experience. She has been engaged twice, married once, quasi relationship with twins at the same time, was seeing a married man at her work place who's wife was with child and was able to friendzone a guy for at least 10 years.
Nat has been treated like a princess her whole life, and if anything, sheltered, and consequently ill equipped to deal with real world problems or relationships. She's 26, shuttles between Carmen & Irene, never lived on her own by her own wits, dresses like a million bucks, is set financially for life with both Tad's money and a cushy job (I use that term very loosely) at her grandfathers company. (really her mother & cousins company) No wonder the girl is outraged when things don't go as she imagines they should. The protective cocoon around her has incubated a spoiled rotten, entitled wet noodle, masquerading as a well put together young woman.
Rod, too, was spoiled rotten and protected by Vicente and we see how that has manifested itself.
Nat has been treated like a princess her whole life, and if anything, sheltered, and consequently ill equipped to deal with real world problems or relationships. She's 26, shuttles between Carmen & Irene, never lived on her own by her own wits, dresses like a million bucks, is set financially for life with both Tad's money and a cushy job (I use that term very loosely) at her grandfathers company. (really her mother & cousins company) No wonder the girl is outraged when things don't go as she imagines they should. The protective cocoon around her has incubated a spoiled rotten, entitled wet noodle, masquerading as a well put together young woman.
Rod, too, was spoiled rotten and protected by Vicente and we see how that has manifested itself.
I don't think Nat was any more spoiled than all the other Garcia kids. She worked hard in school, got good grades, got herself into trade school, worked at the fonda in Tuxpan, had a good attitude, helped her mom out with her siblings, etc. All of these things were the same for Brat, but instead she got into trade school because Nat was always helping her with her homework, she had a lousy attitude about working hard, and about be helping with her siblings. Nat received love and affection and praise from her mother(s) because she's a good daughter. It's no more, nor no less than she deserves from them.
Where she is totally clueless is on how to be a good girlfriend/life partner. But she hasn't see too many great examples in her life. She just doesn't know how to be with a man.
I would say that Abdul and Paolo are actually being successful in their relationships because they are choosing women like their mother (good hearts but lots of baggage), and treating them like their mom treats others and her past loves (accepting of their flaws, and loving and nurturing). But I don't think this dynamic works for Nat. It means she either ends up accepting abusive behavior (Rod) or being with someone she has doubts about.
Where she is totally clueless is on how to be a good girlfriend/life partner. But she hasn't see too many great examples in her life. She just doesn't know how to be with a man.
I would say that Abdul and Paolo are actually being successful in their relationships because they are choosing women like their mother (good hearts but lots of baggage), and treating them like their mom treats others and her past loves (accepting of their flaws, and loving and nurturing). But I don't think this dynamic works for Nat. It means she either ends up accepting abusive behavior (Rod) or being with someone she has doubts about.
Hello,
thanks everyone for the greetings. Since I'm late to the party, I've gone back and read the past recaps and comments and see that I'm not alone in my shock at how badly this show is written. It's frustrating to know that Simona is this incredibly well rounded good person, and the awful writers are going to crap on her. It's like when Diego kept calling Natalia loose and a liar. The writers wanted us to dispise him for his lack of trust. But then after he takes her virginity, we're suppose to think he's this sweet guy who was misunderstood and should be forgiven? And now they're doing the same personality switch with Natalia. Truly awful writing.
thanks everyone for the greetings. Since I'm late to the party, I've gone back and read the past recaps and comments and see that I'm not alone in my shock at how badly this show is written. It's frustrating to know that Simona is this incredibly well rounded good person, and the awful writers are going to crap on her. It's like when Diego kept calling Natalia loose and a liar. The writers wanted us to dispise him for his lack of trust. But then after he takes her virginity, we're suppose to think he's this sweet guy who was misunderstood and should be forgiven? And now they're doing the same personality switch with Natalia. Truly awful writing.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 9:07:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 9:07:00 AM EDT
Welcome Bryan, looks like you've come to the right place to vent your opinion of what you've concluded from reviewing the recaps.
Personally I think these novelas were written for a much younger audience than most of the viewers here. (I have grandchildren Diego/Rod's age). A few days back there was an outcry from commenters because a 40ish looking woman was called old. In my day you were considered an old maid at 25 and old at 30. If you think relationships haven't changed, you haven't read Facebook lately. According to Woman's liberation and woman's rights advocates, virginity is outdated and no longer considered a moral standard of a woman's worth. "What's proper for the gander is proper for the goose".
Personally I think these novelas were written for a much younger audience than most of the viewers here. (I have grandchildren Diego/Rod's age). A few days back there was an outcry from commenters because a 40ish looking woman was called old. In my day you were considered an old maid at 25 and old at 30. If you think relationships haven't changed, you haven't read Facebook lately. According to Woman's liberation and woman's rights advocates, virginity is outdated and no longer considered a moral standard of a woman's worth. "What's proper for the gander is proper for the goose".
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 10:16:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 10:16:00 AM EDT
Thank you Anon,
I see people are mentioning something about a will. Is it tad's will? I agree that in today's age, virginity isn't looked at like it was many moons ago. I thought the way the writers just willy nilly used it as a plot point was ridiculous. It's also hard for me to feel too much sympathy for Andres because in reality, he should've seen from the beginning she didn't love him. She dropped all kinds of signs along the way, and if I'm correct, I never heard her say she loved him. I'm not looking forward to Monday's episode if Diego falls back in Natalia, and dumps Simona.
I see people are mentioning something about a will. Is it tad's will? I agree that in today's age, virginity isn't looked at like it was many moons ago. I thought the way the writers just willy nilly used it as a plot point was ridiculous. It's also hard for me to feel too much sympathy for Andres because in reality, he should've seen from the beginning she didn't love him. She dropped all kinds of signs along the way, and if I'm correct, I never heard her say she loved him. I'm not looking forward to Monday's episode if Diego falls back in Natalia, and dumps Simona.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 10:47:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 10:47:00 AM EDT
Bryan- The will we are referring to is the will of Vicente's late wife (Irene's mom, and grandma of Diego and Rod). We found out when Rosa came back to town and started working for Vicente again that his wife actually left the company to Irene and the grandkids-- not Vicente as he has led them to believe. He directed Rosa many years back after his wife died to destroy that will. Then he took over the company as his private fiefdom to do as he wants. The company in reality belongs to Irene (her descendants, meaning Nat) and the twins.
ah, ok Vivi, thanks for clarifying that for me. Yeah, that's a major plot point that needs to be addressed. But didn't Don Vicente tell Natalia, at one point, that technically the company is hers? He was saying this when she went to visit him at his house and he was trying to ask her to come back to the office.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 11:51:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 11:51:00 AM EDT
Bryan- He likely meant it more in the sense that she is a Carceres, and as such has a stake in HIS business, the family business, as does Irene and the twins, and should fall in line to support him and the family. But what he has not admitted is that he has no stake in the company. It is ALL theirs, not his. He is really their employee, not the other way around.
Thank you Tofie for pointing this out.
"Nat has been treated like a princess her whole life, and if anything, sheltered, and consequently ill equipped to deal with real world problems or relationships. She's 26, shuttles between Carmen & Irene, never lived on her own by her own wits, dresses like a million bucks, is set financially for life with both Tad's money and a cushy job (I use that term very loosely) at her grandfathers company. (really her mother & cousins company) No wonder the girl is outraged when things don't go as she imagines they should. The protective cocoon around her has incubated a spoiled rotten, entitled wet noodle, masquerading as a well put together young woman".
With all the blessings and good fortune Nat has received (including being born "knock out gorgeous) she doesn't deserve to live happily ever after. Nor does she deserve anything from the will. For all the things you mentioned, along with the way she treated our beloved Simona I hope the rest of her life is pure hell and that the Will is never discovered. But unfortunately I have a feeling the writers will let us down on this. (It's obvious to us, why can't the writers see that on the human hierarchy some people are too good for others? Looks like they are attempting to make us believe Nat is forgivable. I'll stop watching if they do.
"Nat has been treated like a princess her whole life, and if anything, sheltered, and consequently ill equipped to deal with real world problems or relationships. She's 26, shuttles between Carmen & Irene, never lived on her own by her own wits, dresses like a million bucks, is set financially for life with both Tad's money and a cushy job (I use that term very loosely) at her grandfathers company. (really her mother & cousins company) No wonder the girl is outraged when things don't go as she imagines they should. The protective cocoon around her has incubated a spoiled rotten, entitled wet noodle, masquerading as a well put together young woman".
With all the blessings and good fortune Nat has received (including being born "knock out gorgeous) she doesn't deserve to live happily ever after. Nor does she deserve anything from the will. For all the things you mentioned, along with the way she treated our beloved Simona I hope the rest of her life is pure hell and that the Will is never discovered. But unfortunately I have a feeling the writers will let us down on this. (It's obvious to us, why can't the writers see that on the human hierarchy some people are too good for others? Looks like they are attempting to make us believe Nat is forgivable. I'll stop watching if they do.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 2:09:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 2:09:00 PM EDT
Vivi: how long has Nat lived in Mexico City?
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 2:41:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 2:41:00 PM EDT
Nanette- We can assume it's been 3-4 years now. The time jump was 2 years-- during that time Nat and the Garcia's moved to D.F., Rod was in his coma, and Diego married Diana. The events since Diego and Nat met up again, Rod woke up, and all the other drama has likely taken another 2 years.
The writers at some point decided to change Nat's age and make her older, so the timeline doesn't quite make sense anymore.
The writers at some point decided to change Nat's age and make her older, so the timeline doesn't quite make sense anymore.
So if they changed her age to 26, I concede her age isn't a factor in how she's behaving. She's still acting very immature. I agree with your assessment of her. To me she's acting very high school with regards to Simona. If they stay consistent with her personality, she will realize what she's doing is wrong, possibly with the help of Padre Juancho, and apologize to Simona.
I certainly don't think what she's doing is "punishable by death."
I certainly don't think what she's doing is "punishable by death."
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 3:19:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 3:19:00 PM EDT
I've met plenty of women in their 30s and 40s who keep repeating the same mistakes with men-- and they have often been in many relationships over their lifetime. So I don't think that a person necessarily learns how to navigate relationships with age or even experience, but instead with self reflection-- that could happen after your first relationship at 18, or after your 10th relationship at 45.
No, the worst of Nat's nightmare is behind her already. It really doesn't matter her behavior because she and Diego will marry and everyone will be happy. Perhaps a triple wedding. Alonso & Irene, El & Carmen, Nat & Diego. I'm not silly enough to believe love doesn't justify all and is intended to defy logic or it wouldn't be magical. None of these relationships have sunk to the level of Art & Isabel's in PSMA and they reconciled happily. Yeah.
Vivi: very true. I do think for a lot of people, age does make the difference. The older one gets, the more one knows what one wants and what one doesn't want.
There's no wasted time with the obviously wrong person.
Nat has been a good person throughout this whole TN.
She's been forgiving (to the point of frustration in Viewerville sometimes-look how many times she's forgive Brat). She's also been naïve, too trusting and, yes, stupid. She's been insensitive, but never deliberately. She's not malicious. This is the first time she's done anything that was deliberately not cool.
There's no wasted time with the obviously wrong person.
Nat has been a good person throughout this whole TN.
She's been forgiving (to the point of frustration in Viewerville sometimes-look how many times she's forgive Brat). She's also been naïve, too trusting and, yes, stupid. She's been insensitive, but never deliberately. She's not malicious. This is the first time she's done anything that was deliberately not cool.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 3:41:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 3:41:00 PM EDT
If Diego and Nat didn't end up together, it would be because of his behavior not Nat's.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 3:42:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 3:42:00 PM EDT
If anyone deserves a happily ever after it is Mali. Father abandoned mother, mother a drunk so handed her to La Jaiba, La Jaiba pimps her out, the girl on her own leaves that life and willing to live on the street with no prospects or support system. Surely she must laugh at the things Nat gets butthurt over. Naw, Mali wouldn't.
Nanette- Age definitely gives us opportunities to self-reflect and make changes. Most of us do, but not all people do. Nat's still in early stages of life/love experiences, so she's still figuring it out.
I hear ya tofie! If fArt and Isa can reconcile then ANY couple will be able to reconcile no matter what (my blood pressure is going up just thinking about that PSMA crap.)
Bryan-Your comments had me thinking about TN writing all weekend. I think I can stand BAD writing and stupid plots as long as the characters are CONSISTENT and there are no LOOSE ENDS...which we definitely don't have with this TN.
In this age of the practically guaranteed extension I expect there will be a lot more inconsistent characters, loose ends and doldrums.
Bryan-Your comments had me thinking about TN writing all weekend. I think I can stand BAD writing and stupid plots as long as the characters are CONSISTENT and there are no LOOSE ENDS...which we definitely don't have with this TN.
In this age of the practically guaranteed extension I expect there will be a lot more inconsistent characters, loose ends and doldrums.
Nanette (IMO) you are so right in your assessment of Nat. Like one anon said earlier, if you think Nat treated Simona badly, it's obvious you're not up to date on what's happening in the real world of Facebook. Not too long ago my 16 year old grandson referred to a girlfriend as a "ho". I told him I didn't like the word and not to use it in my presence. He said "aw grandma, ho don't mean what it used to mean in your day. Even "bitch" is OK.
In my opinion, Nat's attitude towards Simona does not warrant an apology. I think it was tasteless of Diego to bring Simona to Tad's art exhibit. This was a very special moment for Nat in honor of her dad. If I were in Nat's shoes I would not have welcomed my rival with open arms either.
In my opinion, Nat's attitude towards Simona does not warrant an apology. I think it was tasteless of Diego to bring Simona to Tad's art exhibit. This was a very special moment for Nat in honor of her dad. If I were in Nat's shoes I would not have welcomed my rival with open arms either.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 4:24:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 4:24:00 PM EDT
Oh, and I had a question for those of you who watched Robo (talk about stamina)...
That one was mega extended. How was the extension?
That one was mega extended. How was the extension?
Sue NY--wow. "Ho" and "bitch" are acceptable?? All due respect to your grandson, but my students find those to be "fighting words". But I see your point, things have changed quite a bit.
High school seems to be a time of rude and cruel epithets. I remember how horrified I was when I heard my first born child (a girl) refers to another girl as a "slut". This was new behavior. It had vanished by college age, but I still remember how disheartened I was by the change in her and the basic unkindness of it all.
Of course, she'd never heard the word "Stupid!" until she went off to nursery school, and I was equally horrified when she came home at the tender age of 3, knowing how to insult people that way.
Of course, she'd never heard the word "Stupid!" until she went off to nursery school, and I was equally horrified when she came home at the tender age of 3, knowing how to insult people that way.
By the way, Sara, the extension of Robo was dreadful. By the end we wee all weary and punch-drunk and wanted it to end...and end now!!!! And the finale was pfffft. Rushed. And weird. And distasteful in parts.
But the recapping team and the community of commenters was great. They kept us hanging in there to the bitter end.
But the recapping team and the community of commenters was great. They kept us hanging in there to the bitter end.
I have to warn my students about the word "estúpido" (which they seem to figure out on their own...it's annoying.) When we watch Lola and Al Diablo, I tell them to pay attention to who says words like "estupido" and "imbécil". They notice it's usually the bad guys...and I have to remind them that while we may use "stupid" like it's going out of style, it is MUCH harsher in Spanish.
JudyB- as much as I hate extensions, it often brings out the best in the recappers and the community always makes it bearable.
So, to sum up the assessment of Nat's character, would it be fairly accurate to say that she was "good" when it was easy and everything was going her way, but when things became challenging for her she didn't know how to handle that and resorted to "bad" behavior? Is she a bad person overall? I would say no. Behaving immaturely...you bet! This is elementary school or jr. high...maybe high school...behavior that she's exhibiting, being mean to Simona, using Andres, pouting when she doesn't get her way with Diego. But because we sure as hell don't expect that from a 24-26 year old, it doesn't play well. Also because she's supposed to be "good." And "good" characters aren't supposed to behave this way. I know her behavior is bugging me, but Brigitte and Rod have done worse and I'm certainly not having a problem with them as characters--it's consistent behavior, expected of a baddie.
Sue NY: I'm really referring to Nat's behavior in deliberately trying to break Diego and Simona up.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 6:01:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 6:01:00 PM EDT
I think the assessments of Natalia's behavior are excellent! I agree that a consistent character is always a good thing to see and Nat is not very consistent these days. I think she will look back on her treatment of Simona and feel a wee bit ashamed of it.
Here is my burning question: was the little dog that was with the mother and son who thought they had captured Rod our very own "Tito" from "Mentir Para Vivir". He sure looked like our wonderful Tito to me. Did anyone else think so?
Fatima
Here is my burning question: was the little dog that was with the mother and son who thought they had captured Rod our very own "Tito" from "Mentir Para Vivir". He sure looked like our wonderful Tito to me. Did anyone else think so?
Fatima
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 6:09:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 6:09:00 PM EDT
Yes Sara, you're right. Bad writing can be tolerated as long as there is consistency and there is none here.
Also, I saw nothing wrong with Diego bringing Simona to the exhibit. It was his uncle who past away and as his guest, Simona had every right to be there as anyone else. Natalia wasn't thinking about her father when refused to help Diego get Simona in, it was the fact that she still want's him and he's moved on that caused her to act that ignorantly. She wasn't thinking about Tad when she did that, it was her on selfishness and childishness that caused her to do that. She also proved it when she ran giggling to Irene, bragging about doing something mean to Diego and Simona. If anything this was far more disrespectful to her father's memory than Diego bringing Simona. Also, shame on Irene for not chastising Natalia for such boorish behavior. She's her mother, even though she may want Diego and Natalia to be together, this is not how Natalia should be acting and as her mother she should stop it, immediately.
Also, I saw nothing wrong with Diego bringing Simona to the exhibit. It was his uncle who past away and as his guest, Simona had every right to be there as anyone else. Natalia wasn't thinking about her father when refused to help Diego get Simona in, it was the fact that she still want's him and he's moved on that caused her to act that ignorantly. She wasn't thinking about Tad when she did that, it was her on selfishness and childishness that caused her to do that. She also proved it when she ran giggling to Irene, bragging about doing something mean to Diego and Simona. If anything this was far more disrespectful to her father's memory than Diego bringing Simona. Also, shame on Irene for not chastising Natalia for such boorish behavior. She's her mother, even though she may want Diego and Natalia to be together, this is not how Natalia should be acting and as her mother she should stop it, immediately.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 6:16:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 6:16:00 PM EDT
Fatima...hey, maybe that was Tito! At the very least, it was a very similar doggie actor who didn't mind being picked up and held, and that was a very Tito-like trait!
Ah, Tito...now, there was a consistently written and acted character! He never conveniently forgot that what'shisface had kicked him, just for the sake of advancing the plot...or am I just glorifying him out of nostalgia?
I get that people make mistakes, but when the way the writers choose to deal with them is selective amnesia rather than actually having people talk through what happened...yeah, that's a problem for me. Calling Nat a slut in front of her parents, for example, doesn't necessarily have to be insurmountable (though it would be a personal deal-breaker for me), but if that's going to be set aside, then it has to be dealt with as an actual thing that did really happen and not just ignored. How do the writers justify to themselves that they (a) wrote the thing in the first place and then (b) are pretending it never happened and hoping we will too? It's so disrespectful to themselves and the work they did. And why write it in the first place without thinking about how it's going to be received and how they plan to ultimately deal with it at a later date? I just wonder what goes on in the writers' room sometimes. Do they have the clout to fight back when they're asked to do some of this stuff? Do they even have any choice about how to extend something or create conflict or are they specifically told what needs to happen?
I get that people make mistakes, but when the way the writers choose to deal with them is selective amnesia rather than actually having people talk through what happened...yeah, that's a problem for me. Calling Nat a slut in front of her parents, for example, doesn't necessarily have to be insurmountable (though it would be a personal deal-breaker for me), but if that's going to be set aside, then it has to be dealt with as an actual thing that did really happen and not just ignored. How do the writers justify to themselves that they (a) wrote the thing in the first place and then (b) are pretending it never happened and hoping we will too? It's so disrespectful to themselves and the work they did. And why write it in the first place without thinking about how it's going to be received and how they plan to ultimately deal with it at a later date? I just wonder what goes on in the writers' room sometimes. Do they have the clout to fight back when they're asked to do some of this stuff? Do they even have any choice about how to extend something or create conflict or are they specifically told what needs to happen?
Kat your Tito comment is too funny! I really hope it is Tito!
Angela is the poster child for inconsistent character for me.
Angela is the poster child for inconsistent character for me.
Amen, Kat! Nat and Diego should be talking about that whole nasty period-- how Diego acted/reacted like an @$$, and some of the things that led up to it, including Nat's too forgiving attitude with Rod.
Instead, the writers seem to have decided that the way to balance the scales is by having Nat act like an @$$. Even stevens, instead of actually confronting the real problems.
Instead, the writers seem to have decided that the way to balance the scales is by having Nat act like an @$$. Even stevens, instead of actually confronting the real problems.
I have decided that Angela is at a retreat in Acapulco ('cause isn't that where everyone goes when they need a major spiritual butt kicking?) surrounded by crystals and realigning her chakras. Later, she'll have her aura cleansed. Hopefully she'll come back with an apology and a symbolic gift to bless Mali and Abdul's marriage. And re-open the Good Vibes Kiosk, 'cause there are a lot of people on this show in need of some good vibes!
Yes Vivi, I agree. I think the writers think we're dumb enough to believe that we'll forget or downplay what diego did. They probably do figure that having Natalia act like this even's it out, when it doesn't come close. At least not in my eyes.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 7:11:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 7:11:00 PM EDT
Yep, Vivi and Bryan. Just because the negative traits are evenly distributed between the two of them doesn't make me any more excited about them getting together. Now it's less about two sweet kids kept apart by circumstances (and an evil twin) and more about two people who need to spend several years seriously getting their individual acts together and definitely NOT getting married to each other!
5FT, I SO hope it was our Tito. I loved that little Bambino. I want him for my very own!!!
Bryan (belated welcome!), I absolutely agree that what Diego did and what Nat is doing now is not even, steven; not by a long shot. Like 5FT, if a guy had called me those names in FRONT of my family, I would have said "Out of here Buster!".
I hope we get to see Tito again. I LOVE that little Doggie!
Fatima
Bryan (belated welcome!), I absolutely agree that what Diego did and what Nat is doing now is not even, steven; not by a long shot. Like 5FT, if a guy had called me those names in FRONT of my family, I would have said "Out of here Buster!".
I hope we get to see Tito again. I LOVE that little Doggie!
Fatima
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 7:26:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 7:26:00 PM EDT
OK. I finally just watched the episode. Yeah, yeah. I know it took me a long time to get to it, and it's not like I was doing much else this cloudy Sunday. :) Anyway...
It seems to me that Irene thinks that Nat's jealousy is cute (she even said so) and that's why she was smiling about Nat's attitude in the gallery. But she also told Nat that it would be rude to not let Simona into the gallery, and she also earlier told Nat that she thinks Diego is truly interested in Simona, not just trying to make Nat jealous. She was also very polite and gracious to Simona, so I see no reason to put any blame on Irene for Nat's behavior or attitude.
I do find it interesting that when Diego apologized at the end about his accusations of her sleeping with Rod, Nat still seems really miffed about it. But if she is still so bothered by it, why is she so eager to get back together? Seems she should realize that this would always come up as an issue between them if she hasn't really put it behind her. (I know I sure as heck couldn't, but this is a tn.)
It seems to me that Irene thinks that Nat's jealousy is cute (she even said so) and that's why she was smiling about Nat's attitude in the gallery. But she also told Nat that it would be rude to not let Simona into the gallery, and she also earlier told Nat that she thinks Diego is truly interested in Simona, not just trying to make Nat jealous. She was also very polite and gracious to Simona, so I see no reason to put any blame on Irene for Nat's behavior or attitude.
I do find it interesting that when Diego apologized at the end about his accusations of her sleeping with Rod, Nat still seems really miffed about it. But if she is still so bothered by it, why is she so eager to get back together? Seems she should realize that this would always come up as an issue between them if she hasn't really put it behind her. (I know I sure as heck couldn't, but this is a tn.)
Fatima, I agree! Bad enough that he said it at all, but to say it in front of the family...that is NOT the kind of fun story I want being re-told every time we get together around the dinner table.
That's the kind of thing I wonder about w/r/t the writers...were they given the directive that he had to call her a slut or just that he had to confront her? Why go there? And if they were told specifically that he had to say something hideous and hurtful, then I feel sorry for them, 'cause they must have known that it was going to be hard to come back from that. If they went there on their own and were only told that he had to confront her and be angry enough to leave town then they have no one else to blame for my crankiness about the two of them getting back together.
That's the kind of thing I wonder about w/r/t the writers...were they given the directive that he had to call her a slut or just that he had to confront her? Why go there? And if they were told specifically that he had to say something hideous and hurtful, then I feel sorry for them, 'cause they must have known that it was going to be hard to come back from that. If they went there on their own and were only told that he had to confront her and be angry enough to leave town then they have no one else to blame for my crankiness about the two of them getting back together.
Thanks, Fatima. For that reason, I was all on board with her moving on from that nutcase, but it seems that the writers now want us to think Natalia is a bad person also.
Yes, 5ft, I just think it's lazy writing on the writers part. Instead of long term planning and accurate character development, they have people switching personalities at a moment's notice. They wanted us to believe that Andries is now a jealous nut like Diego, when the facts show me, he has every right to be upset with her behavior. He tried to console her and be there for her when her father died, but instead she ran into the arms of Diego. I'd be pissed to. Very lazy writing.
Yes, 5ft, I just think it's lazy writing on the writers part. Instead of long term planning and accurate character development, they have people switching personalities at a moment's notice. They wanted us to believe that Andries is now a jealous nut like Diego, when the facts show me, he has every right to be upset with her behavior. He tried to console her and be there for her when her father died, but instead she ran into the arms of Diego. I'd be pissed to. Very lazy writing.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 7:58:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 7:58:00 PM EDT
I understand what you're saying Vivi, but I think she's kind of biased because she does want to see Diego and Natalia together and she may not realize how petty her daughter is being. As her mother, I think she should definatly call her daughter out for that. Also, Irene had already helped Diego and Simona before Natalia approached her giggling. Natalia didn't like it but what's done was done. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened had Natalia been standing next to Irene when Diego called and see if Irene would've helped Simona over Natalia's protests.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 8:07:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 8:07:00 PM EDT
I think it silly, the Nat and Irene two tween girls approach, conspiring, trying to hook each other up with their respective crushes. This is mother and daughter
Bryan, my assumption is that Irene would have whined about how it was rude (and I love me some Irene, but yes, she would have whined...not lectured, not scolded) and probably (though I'm not 100% sure) ended up agreeing not to let Simona in. And there would have been some eye-rolling.
tofie, that puts me in mind of another mother-daughter pair who were typically more "pals" than mother and daughter...Lorelai and Rory on Gilmore Girls. But Lorelai was comfortable pulling the "Mom" card when she thought it was necessary. Irene doesn't do that, probably that she started out with an adult child and didn't ever build up that Mom backbone by having to deal with toddler tantrums.
tofie, that puts me in mind of another mother-daughter pair who were typically more "pals" than mother and daughter...Lorelai and Rory on Gilmore Girls. But Lorelai was comfortable pulling the "Mom" card when she thought it was necessary. Irene doesn't do that, probably that she started out with an adult child and didn't ever build up that Mom backbone by having to deal with toddler tantrums.
Plus Lorelai was only 16 when she had Rory, and Rory usually acted way older than her years.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 8:50:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 8:50:00 PM EDT
I can't remember. Did Nat let Diego know that she wanted him back before the exhibition? If so then, even though Diego was well within his rights to bring Simona, maybe it was a bit tactless. Even under those circumstances, Nat should have been gracious and let Simona in.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 8:54:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 8:54:00 PM EDT
Nanette- Yes. During the episode I recapped Thursday, Nat let Diego know that she still loves him and wants him back. That's when he told her he had moved on, and to Simona.
Unfortunately 5ft, I think you're right. That's how it probably would happen. This was time to honor a father and a husband, but his daughter only cares about hooking her mom up with Alonso and punishing Diego and Simona. I mean she was flat out giddy with delight at what she did and was down right proud of it when she told Irene. And seriously, Alonso, her husband just died and you trying to pick her up at his exhibit?? tastless. Also it looked like she was about to kiss him out in the car so she's not free from blame as well.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 9:00:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 9:00:00 PM EDT
Bryan, believe me, we are totally on the same page re Natalia's and Irene's behavior. When it looked like Irene was going to kiss Alonso, I was a tad surprised.
Fatima
Fatima
Permalink posted by : Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 11:59:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 11:59:00 PM EDT
In my Thursday night post I predicted that over the weekend we would ream Nat a new a$$ hole and we did yay!! Oh and the writers, they need brain transplants for putting out such crap. Granted, I couldn’t write a script if I life depended on it but we all know crap when we see it. Wish there was a way we could demand that they write according to American standards so that viewerville here on Caray Caray could have some first rate entertainment instead of stupid fools playing parts that are below our standards. Stop insulting our intelligence. The writing is so bad until even those of us who has zero knowledge of screen writing can tell you how it’s supposed to be done. Shame on you for wasting our time.
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