Caray, Caray!

Thanks, Vivi. I have not had a chance to watch this episode yet. I am anxious to see what happened,
 

Vivi, you captured the spirit and essence of our beloved (and not so beloved) characters flawlessly. A marvelous, well constructed and heartfelt summary. There was no detail you did not encompass.

"(note that she means Cris shouldn’t be jealous of Este, while we in the audience know it should be Cris being jealous of Acacia)" and "Manuel is the umpteenth person to say out loud that Este’s attitude isn’t NORMAL" were my favorite lines of many.

In reading and digesting your words, I think you described what Cris should be feeling perfectly. I think I've been a bit harsh on Cris. She believes she is happily married and her daughter has done what she wanted, gotten close to Este. She now feels usurped in Acacia's confidence. How could she possibly know her husband aches for her daughter??

Acacia's fantasy has revealed she is aware of the feeling stirring inside her. She knows better. Rather than compounding insult to injury by the public praise, handholding and hugging, she should retreat and treat Este with respect and from a distance. Este is reprehensible as he knows something terrible befell Uli yet chose to remain quiet. He should stay away from Acacia and try to rekindle the flame with Cris.

I could not find one thing to criticize about Lizzie. Unfortunately.

My heart broke for Luisa. Rosa was acting like a brute and her pulling Luisa from hugging Arturo was terrible. Luisa, like Acacia, continues to make bad choices.

Ahh Hector. The dear man makes a confession only to be overheard by Este. Will this be Este's excuse to finally follow his feelings for Acacia?

Vivi, thank you. Can't wait to read your next summary.

Diana
 

Estalker..ha...love it, VIvi. He makes me feel all icky. GET A GRIP. Is there a term for a male cougar ?
 

As the saying goes..."what someone sees depends on what he or she is looking for." Chris cannot imagine this scenario happening; therefore, she does not see it.
 

Diana..I do not want Estebad to rekindle the flame with Chris. I want him gone. He does not deserve her. His knowing about Uly and doing nothing seals the deal that he is not a good guy.
 

It is interesting that Rubio that sly snake is trying to influence and manipulate Esteboob, and Estegone does not seem to notice.
 

Susanlynn, ITA. I have said several times that I hope and expect him to be gone (not dead but out of the picture) before this ends (speculation only).

I meant that at this time from his perspective he should be concentrating on Cris and stop his obsession from Acacia cold.

He is personna non grata to me.

Diana
 

Thanks for the recap!

This whole thing with our three main characters is getting weirder by the episode. A part of me agrees with Cris but another part feels that she's overreacting. It seems to me like she still feels guilty about letting Acacia go live with her grandparents and not being able to spend those years watching Acacia grow and sharing things with her. I am wondering if she thinks Acacia resents her, not because of Este, but because she (Cris) let Acacia go without a fight.

Poor Luisa. She still can't see that Manuel is just using her. I think his efforts to influence Acacia and Luisa to be on his side when it comes to the case against Ulises will be in vain.
 

Chris thinks that "acacia has to make her own happiness and not rely on someone else"...wow..wise woman. Now if only pouty, petulant Ack would listen to her mother.
 

TF...Excellent points. Mothers often feel guilt if their children are unhappy . Ack needs to grow up and stop giving out warm hugs like Olaf.
 

Show of hands...What are the chances Chris ends up with her first love Hector? Do you know of anyone in your real life who eventually reunited with a first love ? I do.
 

That's true, Susanlynn.

I don't know really know if I can say that Este is taking advantage of these situations and of Cristina's feelings of guilt (it seems logical though) but I think that's partly Cristina's mistake as well. She hasn't completely put her finger on what's going on even though she is starting to take the reigns over Acacia.
 

Yikes..I just watched Estebutt sweeping the objects off the table and going all BSC after finding out about Manuel and Ack. Yuck..

 

All- I've just realized that this wasn't a combined episode. Ni modo. I've done a complete recap for tomorrow's episode. It's a doozy! And I really don't think there's any way they can cut and combine it. So, stay tuned tomorrow-- well, tonight since I can post it as soon as it's aired on the East Coast.
 

Thanks, Vivi . How are you feeling ? Didn't Chris look gorgeous in that bright red satin robe ? Estebad is a fool not realizing how lucky he is to have Chris. Jacka$$.
 

That's wonderful Vivi. Thank you so much! Eagerly looking forward to reading your recap tomorrow.

TF, I think Cris' guilt (for the reasons you mentioned) is a huge component of wanting to "reclaim" Acacia. I think though she is still oblivious to their growing attraction. She will be devastated.

Diana
 

What is Rubio's game ? What does he hope to gain by encouraging Estebutt to act on his desire for Ack ? He is such a sneaky snake...slithering close to Estebad and whispering in his ear.
 

Yikes...Did You all see the advances after last night's episode ? Wow..and I repeat..yikes.
 

Great work Vivi, always amazed your attention to detail and memory.

So, bosslady Cris has laid down new rules for the emasculated boytoy she married and the daughter she doesn't really relate to. If ever there was a control freak she be it. If anything Cris is greasing the slide.

Boy, Manuel is one worthless punk trying to manipulate and cajole these girls to give testimony against Uli to save his butt.

 

Susanlynn- Yikes is right! As Gringo says, must see tv!

Tofie- I actually love that Cris lays down the law when she needs to. This is NOT the typical Victoria Ruffo weeping woman role. Cris is nice, but she's no pushover. Plus, she does give Esteban his place and lets him be the man of the house. She treats him with respect. Let's him be the head of the ranch and the Association. By rights, that's HER place.
 

Susanlynn, I think Rubio is exploiting Esteban's weakness to take him out of play. Rubio fancies himself big boss material and Esteban in the way. Not sure what his play would be should Esbeban not whisk Acacia off but get rid of Cris because she holds the purse strings.
 

Susanlynn- Thanks for asking. I just moved back to my place the other day, so I have been cooking for myself and organizing stuff-- and getting achy and tired. That's why I've fallen asleep by 9pm the last couple of nights. Tomorrow I see the surgeon and hopefully will get a clean bill of health and can get back to work by next week.
 

Vivi...Be careful to continue to take it easy. Sometimes, as we are feeling better, we overdo. Please be kind and gentle to yourself. Sending out good vibes ))))))))))
 

tofie...I am dying for you to do your excellent, biting one liners for these crazy characters,...so many possibilities here.
 

TF- Absolutely, Cris feels guilty for letting Acacia go live with the grandparents. Yes, maybe it was a mistake. But at the time, it was the best of all the options.

Option 1: Make Acacia stay at the ranch with Cris and her new husband, bitter and resentful, always trying to run away.

Option 2: Cris gives up on love, a love life, men, marriage, to keep her pre-teen daughter happy.

Option 3: Cris gets married. Acacia goes to live with her loving grandparents in their happy home, seeing her mother every weekend and speaking to her on the phone every day.

I'm sure at the time Cris thought it would just be temporary, but I can see how it easily became permanent with Acacia's stubborn character.

I think Option 4 should have been explored-- Cris dates Esteban; Acacia stays. Cris, Acacia, and later Esteban go to family and individual therapy to heal and move on.
 

tofie..,my plea to you to do your fabulous one liners for this show disappeared. You could have a field day with these folks,
 

I forgot to mention that during their argument Este offers to buy Acacia a new horse and Cris nixes that idea. 1) Because they don't have that kind of money right now, and 2) Because Acacia hasn't been staying on the straight and narrow enough to deserve such an expensive gift. That's when she mentions Acacia kissing Manuel. I still have a suspicion that Este is responsible for the horse's injury and/or purposely didn't bring the vet.
 

oh, Susanlynn I have considered, there is plenty of fodder. I've become so bored with La Gata I started watching this one with more regularity, though I still post them there and for Mi corazon es tuyo daily.

Many characters here are hilarious, yet entertaining. Dandy Dan alone is killer
 

Vivi and Diana I agree with what both of you said.

Vivi, your theory about the horse is interesting. I didn't think of that. You reminded me that I was a little confused at how Cris wants to be the first person that Acacia goes to for everything and when Acacia did tell her first about what happened with Manuel, Cris goes and tells Estebonkers right away. Even Acacia said something along the lines of that Cris criticized her for what happened.
 

Vivi – It’s wonderful that you are feeling up to recapping again, yay! Superb work. My favorites:

Estalker

Medicine Woman (MW) and her granddaughter Medicine Girl (MG)

WTF! He’s still your brother, idiot. You have the same mom!

I give Cris kudos for clearly explaining separately to Esteban and Acacia her problem with them -- that he’s usurping her as the No. 1 parent Acacia should turn to and that both of them should quit it. Cris can’t get back those years she let the spoiled brat stay with her grandparents (though she did visit Acacia once a week during that time), but she’s doing a good job now.

As for Acacia’s crush on Esteban, I don’t think it’s that unusual to have an inappropriate crush, though steddad-steddaughter is too close for comfort. But if Acacia would recognize it for what it is and leave it alone – that is, no spending the night alone in the same room and otherwise keep her distance, it would fade. The fact that all Acacia can think to do to avoid her feelings for Esteban is to date Manuel is so stupid. Dummy, why not enroll in school or help out a charity? Or figure out why Ale looks so miserable whenever Danilo enters the room? Veronica Mars you ain’t.

I think Rubio’s game is to have something to hold over Esteban’s head. Plus, he gets a kick out of seeing the high and mighty (which Este has become) act stupid.

Shocker, I’m siding with Norberto. He is German’s father and should be there when Juliana tells their son the truth. Andres got screwed when Juliana didn’t tell him she was pregnant, but that doesn’t give him the right to just “take” German from Norberto. Andres saw Norberto being abusive to German, but their father-son relationship is more complicated than that. German loves that fool and Norberto made peace with him after the “accident.”

At least both Acacia and Luisa are holding out against badmouthing Ulises in court. I don’t understand how they could anyway since neither had anything to do with his work. All Acacia could say is “He took a picture with Nuria at a public reception, wah!” or “He had the nerve to hit Manuel in defense after Manuel had punched him first and pressed false charges against him, wah!”
 

Thanks Niecie! All I can think is that Luisa and Acacia are supposed to be character witnesses. And we know what Acacia will say about his character, based on what she thinks he did to poor little her.
 

Niecie- ITA. The relationship between Norberto and German is complicated. And Andres did back off to give Juli and Norb the chance to first speak with German. But I get why Andres is so fired up. He's already seen the worst of how Norb treats German. He was already ticked off about that without even knowing that German was his son, and why Norb was treating him so badly. Now that he knows that, plus realizing that Juli cheated him of 20+ years of being a father, he's ready to make up for lost time.
 

I think Andres issue is with Juli (what a winner she is) first and back off on being a cowboy. Andres hasn't been in Germans life and agree he has no clue what it was like in the home.
 

Acacia might also add "My step daddy does not like Uly, and I believe everything step daddy says because he is a god."

tofie...I have not been watching Gata because it has become too frustrating to watch. Basta.
 

If TPTB are not fooling us, the advances are very exciting . It looks like some major developments are happening tonight.
 

Susanlynn- One of your comments disappeared, but luckily I selected for comments to be sent to my email box, so here is your disappeared comment:

If TPTB are not fooling us, the advances are very exciting . It looks like some major developments are happening tonight.

Posted by Sysanlynn to Caray, Caray! at Wed Nov 12, 02:13:00 PM EST
 

Vivi..thanks, Vivi...I was hoping that the new update from Apple for my IPad would stop the vanishing comments, but some still are disappearing.
 

Susanlynn- You need something like comment crazy glue to make your comments stick. ;-) At least most of them are sticking around today.
 

I definitely don't think it's a good idea for Andres to tell Germán the truth, but I agree that he deserves a chance to make up for lost time. Hopefully Germán will give that chance. If Juli doesn't tell Germán the truth that she left Andres (which I doubt she will) hopefully Germán will believe Andres if he tells him.
 

Vivi, "I still have a suspicion that Este is responsible for the horse's injury and/or purposely didn't bring the vet".

Perish the thought! I really hope you are wrong - that would be another unforgiveable sin.

Diana
 

Niecie "All Acacia could say is “He took a picture with Nuria at a public reception, wah!” or “He had the nerve to hit Manuel in defense after Manuel had punched him first and pressed false charges against him, wah!”

You are on fire as usual!!! Excellent.

Diana
 

I finally made it back and I know that it's late but want to thank you Vivi for your great recap today.
I'm glad that you are almost all mended. Now if Madelaine get mended also, that would be awesome

Some have mentioned about the horse. I was thinking the same thing. Ok, the horse got hurt. It's Acacia's, she loves it. There are animal doctors nearby and you have a phone---so shoot the horse? Que?

So Esteban did kill Alonso. OK but was it on purpose or was it an accident?

I can't wait for Ulises to make it back but I also am afraid for him, the deck is stacked against him.

Looks like Luisa is finally getting the message that she has been used.

Damn! Rosa is tough on her. Take it easy Rosa, PLEASE!

The BIG kiss tonight. Oh my! What I am waiting for is, who initiate
it, Will it be Estebone, Acacia or a both together mutual thing.

Will they get caught?
Must see TV tonight.
the gringo




 

Gringo- So glad you were able to comment. I'm antsy for tonight's episode too. :)

Este did call the vet. At least that's what he said. We never heard the other end of the call. Supposedly the vet was occupied with another case and was not able to come out to Benavente that day. That's why they had to put the horse down. (And what a good horse actor, no? I was impressed by how still he was as he lay on the ground with Acacia's hands over his eyes.)
 

I am confused. I thought that in the beginning of this novela, we were led to believe that Norb had killed Alonso.
 

gringo, I always look forward to reading your comments and getting your take off things. You are a fun guy...and a nice guy.
 

Susanlynn- I can't help out because I never saw that episode.I'm going by what others have said in the comments and the early recaps. If there was not exact shot of Norberto killing Alonso, then the writers faked the audience out if Este is the killer. It was implied. Norb had motive. People like Juli have even suspected him. But we have never heard Norb admit to it to himself or to anyone else.
 

Vivi..I remember several replays of the scene in which we saw someone using a crowbar or something to shift the rocks which fell on poor, gorgeous Alonso. We never saw a face , so it could have been Norb, a paid henchman, Este, or anyone. It could have been an accident. I just thought that Norb admitted to Juliana that it had killed Alonso to get the ranch.
 

Nope, he never admitted it to Juli. He just looked shifty eyed and guilty when she accused him. But he always looks like that, and it's not like he didn't think about offing Al (even if he didn't do it).
 

I questioned Esteban's possible motive for killing Alonso last week, I think. The only theory I had was that he was jealous of Al because of Cris. I don't think Esteban really loves Cris though, but for whatever reason he wanted her (and now he wants Acacia).
 

Did Este want Chris, or did he want the ranch ? He was a poor worker. He was quick to offer Chris his help to save the ranch after Aonso's death.