Caray, Caray!

You are off to an excellent start Corazon Salvaje! "...wiith the lovely Severiano on a horse blacker than his heart" was splendid.

I thought surely Roberta hit Sev with that shot(?) I was shocked (and sickened) he arose without a scratch. What a shame there was only one bullet!

Another terrible day for Roberta and her family. I loved the scene where Roberta gifted Aldonza with the computer and her sweet and joyous embrace of her mother. I think Aldonza is fast becoming one of my favorites. The actress has a sweet countenance and is doing a wonderful job. And. Susana is hitting it out of the park every single night.

Candy on the other hand is so robotic, her perpetual sneers, grimaces and simmering anger beneath the surface are becoming rather tiresome. Are there any other facets to this grim character?

I look forward to the rest CS!

Diana
 

Corazon- Ditto what Diana said. Great start!

Were there no more bullets or did the gun jam? In any case, I knew Sever would not be down for the count for long if at all.

This horror seems to have finally convinced Roberta to put Aldonza first. I don't think Roberta had ever really gifted Aldonza anything, judging by her reaction. And her complete turnaround in now wanting Aldonza to go to university, when before she was against it. At least some good things are coming from this whole f'd up situation.

Stay off the grid, Aldonza! If Cris can find you, then Cande and Sever can find you!

Diana- Cande did used to have happy moments and more to here character when this started. But the years have just made her more and more bitter. And the one thing/person who used to bring her joy, Cris, is now slipping out of her grasp, which just makes her more bitter.
 

Morning everyone!

Last night's episode was a great follow up! I found it even more interesting when I realized that in El Manantial, there's a time jump so I don't think a lot of these scenes exist. I thought that was great because it really responds to the shift in technology; the added scnes are the computer gift and the SocialBook stuff. So far the remakes been almost an exact replica, which is a testimony to the strength and quality of the original version.

I loved Susan on Monday, but I almost loved her more last night. Every thing she did gave me more insight into Roberta's character, in such subtle ways. She played the computer scene perfectly: it was clear that she rarely, if ever, gives her daugther gifts. Rather than a shy hesitation though, it was just tentative. She's not used to gift giving and she's not sure about technology in general either.

Oops! Gotta run.

Is there someone we should contact if we can help with Tuesday recaps?
 

Never has the gifting of a laptop been so touching. Between Aldonza's surprise and unbridled joy that her mother was giving her a gift, Roberta trying to hold her emotions in check and uncertainty about how to express her feelings, and Adelina's proud tears, I was ready to let a few tears fall too.
 

Gracias CorazonSalvaje(; for getting the ball rolling.

I'm impressed. She really did make a decision...not exactly unexpected, but pretty darn sudden...that changed the course of the show.

I didn't think I could like Severiano any less, but he really rose...uh...sank to the occasion last night. And I wish I could disagree with him, but he was right--reputation is everything in that town, his reputation is sterling, and hers is utter crap so she's never going to be able to accuse him of anything and make it sink.

As for the whole bit about finishing with Aldonza what he started with Roberta and how she should be flattered to have gained his "attentions," F that noise.

Diana and Vivi, I thought the gun was out of bullets, but I don't really know.

HellaShelle that was one of my favorite moments as well. Roberta was so vulnerable. And doing that thing again that Raymundo talked about...she wants affection, but pulls back from it. My email address is in my profile.
 

Thank you, Corazon. Great episode. Look forward to the rest of the recap. What a difference a day makes. I am so glad they left Santa Lucia. Interesting that Aldonza told her new acquaintance that it was a "marvelous little town." She must have been thinking of Cristobal. So from the looks of it Aldonza never wants to Cris to know what Sever did not so much for shame but for what Cris might do and the tragic consequences for his family. She still guards a flame of love for him and I guess we will see that in upcoming eps.

Ditto Diana I loved the scene where Roberta gifted Aldonza with the computer and her sweet and joyous embrace of her mother. Yes, that was special.

We see the opposite with the robotic and perpetually sneering (great description, Diana!) Cande hanging over Cris's shoulder as he tries to bring up Aldonza on "SocialBook." Uuuuuf! These damned over-bearing mothers! I guess we're in for a whole lotta this kind of meddling! *sigh* Well, it's better than murder and rape.
 

Lila, the look on Cristobal's face when he realized Candela was hovering over him was so horrified! As if he just realized how much she wants to control ever single moment of his life. My best wishes to his backbone!

I hope Aldonza's new friend...didn't catch her name...teaches her how to block people.
 

You're right, Diva! I don't think he realized until that moment how much of a problem mommy is. I hope he realizes right away that Valeria is in cahoots with her!

I guess these novelas would be more like two-hour movies if people put locks on their bedroom doors, or even just closed them!
 

Oh yeah, and why did Dominga say he was in love? I know she and Melesio try to mind their own business but does she not know that Cande is hell-bent on keeping Cris and Aldonza apart or was that just a random comment?
 

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Lol, Lila...if they would lock their bedroom doors, check to see if people are listening before they share important information, verify gossip with multiple sources....

I don't know why Dominga said that, but I wanted to shush her! Maybe she didn't think it was Aldonza? Which is kind of rude, since she's been gone from town for five minutes, so it's not like he moved on already! Or maybe she just thinks it's cute and is being willfully ignorant about Candela's hate for Aldonza and her family? She still thinks of Candela as that little girl she helped raise, so maybe she's got a bit of a blind spot about her and doesn't want to see what an ugly person she's become.
 

Can't wait to read and discuss! It was another great episode!
 

I have been watching Susana's every move since I have become a fan of hers. I marvel at her acting ability. I noticed last night how her lips trembled as she was trying to light her cigarette. Don't know anything about acting, but to me if nothing else that shows tremendous control.

Diva, I think you are qualified to comment on her acting. What do you think?
 

Sorry, Corazon, I did not say thank you for giving us the great recap. I second the your nomination for Adelina! At least this is a serious "I don't want to talk about it" rather than the toddler version.

On Candela's ice: I was thinking about that last night. She and Roberta are polar opposites, fire and ice (well, flipped). When Roberta's upset, she literally lights up - cigarettes, shacks. She's all passion. Cande on the other hand is all calm and collected. She's the cool head in the midst of the firestorm. It's what's always made her insecure about Roberta's overt sexuality and unbridled sensuality - Cande's never let loose like that. Ironically, it's her calm collection that make people look up to her. Her ability to mange things, unruffled by chaos, is what gives her the position in town that Rob so dearly wants.
 

Thanks Corazon.

Well,I guess that it isn't so easy to kill the devil. Severed is despicable. I cannot believe that the shot completely missed him, but he still fell off his horse. In Pasion, a villain kept losing body parts...first his arm, then an eye, and finally his head. Perhaps that would be an appropriate fate for Severed. Severed's living room and staircase is the same as the one in the governor's palace in Pasion.That staircase is very impressive.

Roberta has become a tragic figure. Her beauty has not saved her from falling deeper and deeper into trouble.

I was surprised at how quickly Roberta, Aldonza, and Aldena left town . The scene in which Roberta gave Aldonza the laptop was sweet and moving. It was like a symbol of Aldonza turning the page and moving forward. Sometimes, one must stop staring at the page and turn to the next page. It might be a very interesting page. I am glad to see AL starting college and making some new friends.What are Roberto and ALdina going to do in the new town ?

 

emeraldrose, I think she's my idol and I want to be her when I grow up :D

She's seriously fabulous. All the tiny little changes in expression and the way she conveys that there are a LOT of things going on at once. Like that moment when Aldonza says they're leaving...she nods in encouragement, but she's also crying because it's sad that they should have to. And when Padre G hands her the check, you can see her absorb that "ok this is a good amount" but she never stops conveying that she's anxious. And when Aldonza and Adelina come down the stairs, she starts to look hopeful.

And I can't stop comparing that to TSTSNBN when they had all those loooooong pauses and someone would just scowl and look as if they didn't even know WHY they were scowling, because they sure weren't feeling any emotion.
 

Thanks for you feed back Diva. What a great novella this is shaping up to be. Needless to say I am hooked.
 

Hellashelle..That was a very good comparison of Roberta and Cande..fire and ice. Cande is a control freak, but trying to micromanage her son's life is sure to turn out badly for everyone. Talk about a helicopter mom.

add me to the list of folks who was baffled at Dominga telling Cande that her son was in love.

I am glad that I have The Voice to bring my spirits up after watching this show.
 

Thank you for part one Corazon!!

I'm enjoying the comments. I wish I had more to add!

Ditto all the praise for Susana. She is absolutely amazing and mesmerizing.

I *love* that technology has been incorporated!!!!!

hellashelle-I loved your observation about fire and ice. It's perfect!
 

Kat- Ahhh yes, those long "meaningful" pauses/stares with NO meaning in that crapfest of a telenovela. Every time I would drop in on it, I would have giggle fits over all those long stares. :)

The funny thing about Susana G. is that according to Jarocha, folks weren't that impressed with her acting in her earlier tns. But over the years she has improved by leaps and bounds. I'm glad to have discovered her in her later years, because she is one of my favorites, even when I don't like her character.
 

Oh, definitely, hellashelle. They even gave us the messy updo vs. hair that's braided so tight it wouldn't move even in a gale force wind!

susanlynn, I don't know what Roberta and Adelina are going to do, but I hope it's something. I know Roberta said they had enough to live off of if they live quietly, but I don't know if I trust her budgeting skills, and a fixed amount has to run out sometime.

I'd love to see the two of them open a dress shop...or a bar :)
 

...a bar for ladies only. :)
 

I am really looking forward to my Spring and summer vacations because I never have time to go back and re-watch the episodes. This is one of the first TNs that I've wanted to go back and re-watch episodes. I know I'm missing a lot of the subtle facial expressions and great acting.

When they flashed back to Ray's death I was reminded of his "WTF" expression and impressed all over again.

Gosh I love this show.
 

I was so happy to see Aldonza walking through the corridors of the university, head held high, already making friends. I feel bad for Cris being totally in the dark, heartbroken and confused, but this was a necessary move for Aldonza.
 

Vivi, I would go to that bar...The Naughty Melon? Sisters Are Doing It For Themselves?
 

I want to thank you so much for the wonderfully sensitive writing from yesterday. I could not comment as the whole episode was so upsetting and disturbing to me. Lisette, Susana, and "Aldonza" were perfect in their ensemble acting.

Corazon, thank you so much for today's recap. Very poetic opening and well done!

I saw and felt nothing but profound sadness in the Monday and Tuesday episodes. I feel sadness now only from the three women, but Emanuel's sadness touches me deeply.

Humberto has reached a new low for me from which he will never recover (as if he cares). It SICKENED me when he gave Padre the check. It SICKENED me to see this man aid and abet all of Severiano's cruelty and abuse.

Humberto is a worthless, spineless, hen-pecked jerk who deserves an anvil JUST as great as the ones waiting for Severiano and his pathetic and cold wife. I now totally and completely despise Humberto. I hope he suffers greatly in the end.

It was heart wrenching to see Aldonza's face as she came down the stairs with her little suitcase. To leave a place that one loves with all their heart, is painful to the core. I know this feeling too well and that feeling was difficult to watch last night.

Fatima
 

5FT, the first sentence was for you. Somehow, it got lost in translation.

Fatima
 

Extra Ditto on the SG love!! I first saw Susana Gonzalez in Amigas y Rivales and she was great. Her character starts off as a sidekick to the psycho big bad, but she goes through a very cool evolution toward the end that really showed she could do a lot. It was for that reason that I watched Entre El Amor y El Odio (another novela that I really loved, though I may have been the only one. Didn't seem to get a lot of praise at the time and it got a little crazy at the end.)

Anyway, I think she goes awesome work with her scriptless acting. Even that tiny scene when they arrive in their new city and step outside of the transit center. She lights up a cigarette and Aldonza and Adelina look at her like "really? more of the same?" but Roberta's like "what? what's the big deal?" But it's when she first lights up and then looks away again that you can almost see a teenaged version of her, always on the bad side of things, lighting up to look tougher than the barbs people throw at her, trying to hide how scared and lost she feels by leading the way. The trembling hands and lips that speak to a lifetime of tension, of jumping in before checking the water level. Ooh! I loved it!
 

LOL, I would totally go to the Naughty Melon! In a swishy skirt and cardigan, too, and get my Dirty Danicing alter ego on!
 

Oh I would totally frequent The Naughty Melon!

Vivi- I agree that is was great to see Aldonza going to school and with her head held high.
 

Kat, it's nice to hear that in your professional opinion, you are loving Susana as much as we are!

The first time I saw her was in Pasion and I loved her and could not understand why there was so much criticism. She is growing with each successive role and I am happy for her and for us who get to watch her bring this character to life so stirringly nightly.

Diana
 

PSMA was not great, but I will be forever glad that I decided to watch it. Susana was wonderful to watch in that, too.

My first (real*)experience with her was the unlikable Cynthia in LQNPA. So unlikeable that I had to stop watching!

Then I saw her again in AV and adored her.

That was followed up with PSMA and again I was awed.

*She was barely present in the PVAA Dvd that I watched, but I've heard she was great in that, too.
 

Thank you CS.

Whew, so glad they left town.

Christobal - what, your car can't follow a bus

Aldonza - yeah, somebody already friended me, ma, wa, what's a camwhore?

Severiano - who's the man Candy, come on, who's the man now

Candela - stop it Candy, his cool indifference is not hot

Emmanuel - my hat's better bro

Humberto - been saving my lunch money

Roberta - it was time to downsize to a condo

 

If I missed this in the comments, forgive me....

Did anyone else think that it was Sev that fronted the money to Humberto for that sale? (tofie's comment reminded me.)

Just one more thing to hang over Humberto's head.
 

Okay, it's been a long time. I watched and loved Pasion but who did SG play? Don't tell me she was the lead. Need to take some memory pills!

Also, hellashelle I love the fire and ice imagery and love your comment at 10:33. The imagery you use is so vivid and alive!
 

Sara- Yes. I'm 99.9% sure that Sever called up Humberto right after Padre left and that HE is the one purchasing El Santuario through Humberto.

Lila- Yes. SG was the lead in Pasion.
 

Fatima, thank you for the feedback. I hope this was the low point and we have a bit of relief.

Pasion, S.O.S., La Que No Podia Amar, and Sombra are the shows I've seen Susana in. I don't remember being super-impressed in Pasion, but I liked her. I barely remember S.O.S. (Sexo y Otros Secretos), which was an episodic weekly drama about a group of friends...there was sex, that's about all I remember and probably only because that's in the title! La Que No Podia Amar, she did well with the character, but only got to show a little bit of range. And in this one, she's just...well, she's having all the feels and it's wonderful to watch!

tofie, thanks for bringing up the bus! How many buses leave this town on a daily basis? He couldn't just look at the sign on the front? Or ask someone at the ticket counter where the bus was headed?

I wasn't even suspicious about Humberto, now that I think about it. I took it at face value that he was making the purchase on his own behalf and was looking forward to Severiano finding out that no, he can't have that land because someone bought it already. Duh on me! I know he has the money, but Fatima's right...he's spineless. It's not likely that he would buy the land he knows his BFF (Blackmailer Friend Forever?) wants for himself.
 

Wow! I didn't even for one minute think that Humberto was buying that land on his own. Sever picked up that phone as soon as Padre left, and as soon as Humberto showed up with his check I knew who Sever had called. I will be shocked if Humberto made the purshase on his own.
 

Vivi, my revenge fantasies clouded my judgment!
 

Ha! And Sev has been handing over little envelopes to Humberto for decades, so even it he didn't just transfer some money and it was from Humberto's savings...Sev is probably still the one who paid. LOL.
 

Kat- It was a nice thought. But I'm afraid that right now, Sever has actually managed to get everything he wanted (except back into Cande's bed)-- Roberta banished and humiliated, a taste of young Aldonza, Aldonza away from his son, and El Santuario.
 

I hope that both he and Candela are way overestimating how easy it will be to keep Cristobal away from her. Trauma notwithstanding. He does not appear to be the kind of guy to be railroaded into anything or won over by the kind of emotional blackmail that was sufficient to control certain puppets who shall not be named. And the other common threat to rich kids is "We'll take your money away" but he'd probably LIKE that because he told Padre G that he doesn't want things handed to him.
 

We didn't speak about this last episode, but I thought it was interesting that when Humberto reconsidered letting Emmanuel work for Sever, he seemed to be fantasizing about Sever growing real feelings for Emmanuel and even growing to respect him more than Cris by showing his hard work. Humberto is living in some kind of fantasy land if he thinks that will happen. Unless, as someone mentioned, Sever manages to turn Emmanuel evil. Emmanuel seems too sweet for that, though. Although he's so needy for affection and acknowledgement.
 

Humberto is living in a fantasy land, period. It's easier than facing up to his mistakes.
 

Thanks, Vivi! I thought she looked familiar! What I remember most about Pasion was that the couple remained devoted and true to each other throughout! (Please don't tell me my memory has failed on that, too!)
 

Oh, gosh, no, Lila! They were relatively drama-free, working as a team, the two of them against the world. Uh...unless I also twisted that around in my head :)
 

Whew! Ok, that is what I remember and I have soooo longed for another couple like that!
 

Right there with you, and I think so far, these two have potential if they can overcome the trauma and the logistics.
 

Let me just quote Vivi's entire comment:

"We didn't speak about this last episode, but I thought it was interesting that when Humberto reconsidered letting Emmanuel work for Sever, he seemed to be fantasizing about Sever growing real feelings for Emmanuel and even growing to respect him more than Cris by showing his hard work. Humberto is living in some kind of fantasy land if he thinks that will happen. Unless, as someone mentioned, Sever manages to turn Emmanuel evil. Emmanuel seems too sweet for that, though. Although he's so needy for affection and acknowledgement."

Yes. This is going to be an interesting story line. I'm getting the impression that everything is being said for a reason. I hope they do go down this trail, but I hope that Emmanuel does not go to the dark side.
 

That's another thing I like abt this novela. Its always nice to see a good range of emotional relationships. In tstsnbn, they could've fleshed out the parent-child connections...but they didn't. They could've explorer the sibling connections...but they didn't. They could've explored...well, there's a lot they could've explored I guess. Thankfully it doesn't look like we'll have that problem with Sombra! I'm really lookih forward to getting to know Emmanuel's characterization and evolution!
 

Not much time today, but taking a quick lunch and reading through all the comments.

This TN is such a short time has really hit it out of the ballpark on acting, directing, you name it. Been awhile since I was so impressed with a show in just the first couple weeks. I always shudder at remakes, and though this one seems to be holding to the original in intent, it doesn't have that rehash feeling. And I love the details putting it into the 21st century.

I actually found Seve's calm & cool demeanor while working at his desk far more disgusting then when he first left Aldonza or gloating at Roberta. Showing what he had just done to an innocent young girl didn't faze him in the least. His anvil went three sizes in that scene ( and Alexis just nailed it.)

I'm sure Lady Macbeth will be pleased to here both her problems have left town. Now what will she occupy her time to take the place of her bitterness?

Daisynjay
 

CorazonSalvaje - Thank you for getting the recap started.

I was confused about Severed getting hit with a bullet, because if he did NOT, then why did he fall off his horse? We never saw any hint of a wound.

It was surprising that the gun fired, at all, after veinte años of being buried in the mud without a waterproof seal, etc. That thing should have been rusted out.

I think it only had one bullet. The second shot was an empty click. Roberta is not organized enough to make sure she had bullets.

I figured all along that Humberto was the front man for Severed buying Roberta's land.

Cande's hair IS the polar opposite of Roberta's. Telenovelaland stylists give us very good visuals that define the characters.

My eyes fixate on Cande's hair, pulled back so severely that I wince and wonder if that's why she's so crabby. Just looking at that hair scraped back gives me a headache.

Oooh, "SocialBook" because they can't say Facebook. And we just know Cris & Aldonza will find each other on it!

The only other telenovela in which I've seen Susana Gonzales was AV. She is definitely doing a fantastic job with this role!!!

In the scene (Monday night?) where Emmanuel and Roberta are talking, I wondered if there might be a teensy weensy bit of llamada de la sangre, maybe more on his side than hers. That was such a touching scene.

Here in La Sombra, it's interesting to see a main character (Roberta) smoking all the time. I really cannot remember seeing people smoking in any of the 'novelas I've watched, since I started watching them 13 years ago. But then, I don't watch as many as most of y'all.
 

Daisynjay, hope you're enjoying your lunch! I loved that they had Dominga in the kitchen telling Candela that the Alcocer ladies left "as if the devil was on their heels" and then the very next scene is Sev at his desk. *shudder* I'm sure Candela will have her hands full trying to put strings on Cristobal when he won't hold still for it!
 

Thanks! It wasn't bad, nice shrimp salad, but having to eat it in ten minutes so I can jump to a conference call, to which not everyone joined so we had to reschedule anyway, wasn't ideal.

Good point on Cande still keeping busy being the perfect image of a TN meddling mother. My guess is she'll have her claws into him quick to hook up with someone else ( and guesses who that winds up being?)

Daisynjay
 

Hellashelle your comparison of Roberta and her teen throw back are right on. I didn't look at her in that light, but yes, I think you nailed it.

Oh, and Corazon Thank You for the most excellent recap.

Am off to Spanish class, median age is mid 70's. It is truly a riot and our teacher (who is 91) is ""Santa Marita" She truly is a saint. Love that woman.
 

Thank you for getting us started Corazon. Yes Sever's heart is blacker than his horse isn't it?

I LOVE-LOVE-LOVE this novela and will be sooooo sad when Susana bows out to let Aldonza carry on the story.

I'm afraid that I'm beginning to sound like a broken record or that I'm too redundant in my comments but I have noticed that on every day so far there is nothing but praise for Susana Gonzalez. I have never seen an actress that has been so mesmerizing. She draws me to the screen like no one has ever done before, I just LOVE her.

Trembling lips? I guessed that I missed that little Susana touch last night. This actress is truly one in a million. Well, everyone has their favorites and SG is mine

It went over my head last night because I don't understand Spanish---I thought that they were just leaving for a week or two to get Aldonza enrolled in college and to make sure that everything went ok. DAMN!! Roberta
lost the rancho, the beautiful waterfall and all of her land. That rat bastard disciple of satan
won. Why does evil always win?

Did I get it wrong? Was Aldonza being hit on during her first day in school? It looked like it.

I was practically yelling---FOLLOW THE BUS!!! What was wrong with him?

Obviously there was one bullet in the chamber of the gun--she missed
I couldn't believe it but I guess that we will have that one arm rat bastard to contend with for quite some time.

QUE??? Cris, you didn't hear mama come in? CLOSE YOUR COMPUTER!!!
You're going to let mommy read your emails to Aldonza whom she hates? Wake up Cris.
the gringo

 

Gringo- Luckily, there was no email to read yet, since he hadn't found Aldonza on SocialBook yet (since she doesn't yet have an account).

By the way, I love that they made up SocialBook since they obviously didn't want to get in trouble with Facebook. :)
 

Though, it's weird, because other shows will say "Facebook" or "Face."
 

Corazon, thanks for the great start.

I think the gun fired one round because there was a round in the chamber, but the slide mechanism was rusted, so it wouldn't reload itself.

I'm enjoying the acting and the plot as all of you have said. Compared to our last one, this is heaven.

Gringo, even though we didn't use up our anvils on TSTSNBM, I think we may still need more for this one.

David
 

Kat- Yeah. I was wondering why other shows feel free to say "Face" for Facebook. But I also don't remember them actually showing the screen for Facebook in other shows. That might be the difference here because they wanted to show the page and the characters interacting with it.
 

Vivi, it's so recognizable with the blue, that even though they're calling it a different name I'm surprised Facebook hasn't complained. Nando's page on MCET certainly looks very similar. Their usual fake search engine that I've seen also bears a striking resemblance to Google. I think I saw it once as Looker(?) to get the two "o"s in there.
 

Right David---Obviously there was a round in the chamber but the slide would not have been in working order after all of those years.

And right again about the unused anvils. They surely will be put to good use on this show. It's a good thing that we didn't sell off the inventory and close down the business.
the gringo
 

Corazon Sal: THANK YOU. Recap always triggers lots of good discussion.

Gobbling yogurt while I read comments. Just want to say, I do love the incredible nuance of Susana G.'s performance. The scene with the stranger lighting her cigarette in a bar was almost like a little tragedy contained in 20 seconds.

I also am loving the theme song. A pleasure to have it replaying in my head all day. The artist has a beautiful mature voice, just right for this show.

Must run!

J in Oregon
 

Ooh, airtime in 2 hours.

Did we pretty much cover everything? Is everyone caught up and prepared for tonight?
 

Of course, I mean you Eastern Time Zone peeps. I still have 4 hours to wait. :(
 

Still three hours to go till 7pm here on the east coast. DC is buckling down for more snow and it looks like we'll have a snow day tomorrow. Cold Cande would be right at home here.
 

Lol...she wouldn't feel a thing!

So it's 4pm, but the show doesn't air until 7? I'd better not spend too much mental energy on that. It'll all be different next week and I'll have to figure it all out again. I like that AZ doesn't do Daylight Savings Time, but it still changes my TV schedule.
 

J in O said:
"The scene with the stranger lighting her cigarette in a bar was almost like a little tragedy contained in 20 seconds."

That was my favorite scene. It took my breath away.
 

David and gringo-I'm so glad your bid was accepted and you will be handling our anvil needs on this show as well!
 

If David and gringo's would like a logo, I would be happy to submit a proposal :)
 

Back from work. I have enjoyed reading all the insightful comments. Vivi's remark about Severed getting everything he wanted really made me fume. It is so true. Sometimes, in real life, bad folks seem to be the winners...at least for awhile.I am quite sure that by the finale Severed will have nothing but a collection of anvils.
 

5ft: re logo proposal; by all means! You really seem to get into that stuff. I on the other hand am plumbing the outer depths of my computer expertise by just submitting comments.

David
 

Hmmm...time to think of a snappy slogan...what rhymes with comeuppance....
 

Oh I would love to see David and gringo sporting logos in the threads!
 

I have yet to see anyone comment on this but here it goes, when Adelina was telling Aldonza and Roberta that they had to file a report with the police Roberta said no, that no one would believe them and that then Aldonza would have to spend a life time hearing people say awful things about her-and that eventually she would start to feel like the things they said about her were justified. I'm pretty sure this is what happened to her, and it's heart breaking, but also there's another reason she did not file a report: She was afraid Severiano would reveal that she killed her husband, so it's not like she's acting just to help Aldonza, self-preservation finally kicked in, sadly it was far too late to spare poor Aldonza.
 

yep Eli, Aldonza is paying for the sins of the mother
 

Eli- I picked up on that. Also, last episode when she went up to see Aldonza when Adelina told her she had been raped, Roberta said "Not YOU!" In a way that sounded like, not you TOO. Both in that interaction and the scene you describe when she details how reporting the rape would damn Aldonza to the same kind of reputation and feelings of worthlessness as she has, I had a thought in my mind that perhaps part of the source of her issues is some kind of sexual abuse in her past. And yes, there was also the very real fear that if she came forward about the rape to the police, Sever would tell the police she killed Ray.
 

I tried to comment via my phone, but it doesn't look like it worked.

J in O: Yes, the whole bar scene was amazing! She can certainly deliver her lines with all of the necessary emotion, but that scene, in which she doesn't say anything with any words, just her eyes and the way she carries herself is just...amazing. Her tears, her posture...everything just screams to her vulnerability, this desperate quality that grips your own heart. Man! She is GOOD!!!

And Eli, you are so right! She is definitely covering up too, but of all the people that will know and the consequence of jail, I think her reaction to Sev's mentioning it all after she tried to shoot it speaks to the fact that her daughter knowing is the thing that would crush her. The town be damned, she's already lost to them, but her baby is another thing altogether.

That convo with Adelina in which she says she doesn't want what happened to her to happen to Aldonza is another great example. I love when she talks about the lies playing over and over again in her/Aldonza's head and basically makes the schoolyard action for crazy (circling your finger around your ear) because you can see how that has unhinged her. She's just incredible.
 

Kat...tuppance...that's all I've got.

David..I am with you. I am pretty proud of myself for being able to comment. I do not know how to make one of those picture thingies. I also never use the laptop or desktop anymore because it is so much easier to let my fingers do the walking (typing) on the IPad..so user friendly. Hub has a phone that he just talks into and it types bout the text.I cannot imagine what technology we will be using in 20 years.
 

I always think it would be so convenient to just be able to think directly into the computer, but I'm not sure even my computer needs to know everything I'm thinking! Better I sift through it and only post the gold and not the sand!
 

Oh...tonight...drinks on me at The Naughty Melon. Wear your twirly skirt. Smoke 'em if you got n'em. (I always think that Susana looks like someone who has never smoked when she is holding her ciggie.)
 

Susanlynn....smoke what *shifty eyes*
 

You're cracking me up! I need a twirly, Roberta-esque dress. Or at the very least a skirt.
 

Woo hoo! Drinks on susanlynn!! (And I kind of feel like Susana is not a "natural smoker" either.)
 

Oh. I got distracted by drinks. Roberta's comments about not wanting what happened to her to happen to her daughter also tugged at my heart.
 

Maybe The Naughty Melon needs a signature drink....melon liquor and something. We could call it a Twirly SKirt. Maybe all the characters need drinks named after them.Let's see, Cande's might be a Frosty Fierce....best served chilled and on the rocks.
 

I have this vision of Roberta's drink being on fire.

And Adelina's is nonalcoholic and sweet.
 

Shirley Temple?
 

There is a flaming drink, but I can't remember the name. I thought it was Sylvia's avatar for a while.
 

A Bloody Mary?
 

and EXPENSE rhymes with COMEUPPANCE .
 

Yep, CorazonSalvaje(; that might work! Email me.
 

Is recompense close enough. . .I bet a rapper would flow with those!
 

All I can come up with is chintz.
 

Done (and just in time!)
 

Hi everyone!

I wanted to comment on something that I've noticed on the 'Que Te Perdone Dios' page that I am noticing (but to a much lesser extent, but that being only because I think that artistic merit is being the saving feature in this regard), here with 'La Sombra del Pasado' page

Anyways, it's all given me enough pause-for-thought, if not anxiety (admittedly, I'm a rather neurotic person ;-) ) that I wanted to mention it to you all, as I enjoy the various 'patios' and in-general 'communities' here on 'CarayCaray' immensely, and am interested in your varying thoughts, and feedback...

I speak of the revulsion that so many of you have to violence in the shows that you are watching.

This bothers me in many ways... and not in the LEAST that I am some sadist or any such creature... but because I worry at your collective responses in regards to the quality of shows that we get on our varying Telenovela-producing networks.

Because, I, for one, have no tolerance for the saccharine-sweet, diabetes-inducing 'comedies' such as MCET. Indeed, I have since been subjected to re-runs of both 'La Fea Mas Bella', 'La Familia con Suerte', and 'Marido en Alquiler' and, in EACH case (and I KNOW that I am a minority in this respect but, still, being a minority does NOT mean that my voice does not matter) but, in each case, I felt somewhat INSULTED by what I was watching... OVER-acting (I couldn't BELIEVE that the same over-acting Daniela Castro as Pina was the same woman as in LQLVMR, amongst other protagonista roles), stock characters (as a gay man, I wanted to bitch-slap every 'gay character' on these shows as-were-presented), cheap sets, and just, in general... BAD! I recall a saying- I don't know by whom- saying that "one can never go wrong by appealing to the lowest common denominator in us all" (or words to that effect. THIS... seems to me, to be the state of telenovelas as they now stand.
 

That being SAID, then... 'where' the hell, am I coming from, and 'why' am I spouting off like this???

It's because of the reactions and the responses from people HERE (who I respect) at what they are watching....

Namely:

"TOO violent!"

"Unnecessary!"

"TOO dark!"

"I am fast-forwarding!!!!"

This bothers me immensely. I will now tell you why, but (if you will forgive me), would prefer to use an analogy....

It has been widely accepted that, of all of the works of William Shakespeare, 'King Lear' is one of, if not his ULTIMATE work. 'Hamlet' may be the greater PLAY, but 'Lear' is perhaps his greatest work. Why?

Because 'Hamlet' is more intensely PERSONAL. It is, in essence, a FAMILY drama that we see unfold, and the emotions, etc. are likewise what appeal to us PERSONALLY.

With Lear... his scope is bigger. There is a reason why the darkness and savagery in Lear is as BLACK and as EVIL as it is.... the heroes in 'Lear' are... not just old men, but FATHERS, and trusting old men.... and those that do evil unto them are their own FLESH AND BLOOD- healthy, and whom they have TRUSTED! And the evil done unto them is FAR and BEYOND what is done in Hamlet. In what other literary drama can you find two young, virile, characters (Regan and Cornwall) GAUGING THE EYES OUT of an old man who was- PREVIOUSLY- someone they respected???

I argue that, as in Lear- where dark is SO DARK (for this reason, in reference to Shakespearean villains, there is little mention of Goneril & Regan... because they are just SHEER BLACKNESS and EVIL, not even possessing of the intriguing or charming qualities of Iago or Edmund), but, as in Lear, we enter a word- be it the rapes of Severiano in LSDP (which, BTW, were likewise perpetuated by his 'El Manantial' counterpart Justo), or the crimes of Fausto/Lucio in QTPD (which, likewise, were perpetuated in AMF by Cesar Evora's Federico (indeed, in AMF, 'Fredy's' counterpart 'Chiquilin' was even YOUNGER), put us into a darker place...

BUT..... the reason why 'Lear' is considered such a magnificent work of human achievement is... BECAUSE of all of this BLACKNESS, all of this DARK... at the end, you (the reader) is aware that those characters that suffered through all of this.... that they achieved something- an awareness, a sentiment- some such thing- that was so BEAUTIFUL that ALL OF THAT SUFFERING became somewhat... worthwhile.

For ME.... in my novelas... I want my baddies to be BAD. I WANT (and NOT because I'm some sort of sadist or anything), but I WANT horrible and unseemly things to be done to those protagonists that I have grown to care about.... AND, what's more.... the WORSE, the BETTER... BECAUSE, I have FAITH, that in the end... ALL WILL BE REDEEMED. (Hell, 'King Lear' couldn't even say that... it remains magnificent because we feel that all suffering and turmoil was worth it for how everybody turned out... even WITH them all still dying!!!).

So... PLEASE... DO NOT threaten to write your networks if what you are seeing is displeasing to you. Instead, turn to re-runs of 'La Fea Mas Bella', or some such crowd-pleasing tripe (I know I should probably look for a better term here, but, in this instance, the phrase 'calling a 'spade' a 'f**king shovel' just seems to apply so perfectly) and, instead, let the writers to their job!!! AND... just take solace in the fact that they will reward your patience, in the end. Christ, has there ever BEEN a novela where 'evil' triumphs, totally and completely???

NO! So... let these bad things happen to these people we grow to care about. TRUST ME.... like in 'Lear', it'll make the END, SO MUCH MORE satisfying...

Thank you all for letting me get this off my chest. And.... please... KEEP WATCHING, LOVING, RESPONDING, AND COMMENTING!!!

With my continued best wishes to you all...

Siate felice,

Stevey :-)
 

Stevey! Where have you been! We are your people! Pull up a chair! We have virtual booze!

Were you lurking during La G*ta vs. Sombra? Because we were mostly HATING the stupidity and unreality of LG, whereas even though Sombra is dark and it's not fun to watch the violence, that's coming bundled with a lot of good stuff. So I'm not sure who you're talking to, because I haven't seen anybody here complaining and wanting to write the network, based on this show. It was the LAST one that made us want to storm the castle with pitchforks.

And I apologize if I sound like I'm speaking for everybody, but I think this probably reflects the opinions of most of the regular commenters.

Yeah, the last few episodes were difficult to watch, but we're all here for each other and we've made it through ok so far.

(And do I need to say again that even if you're out there, in Lurkerland, and you happen to not agree with 99% of the people posting, you are STILL welcome!)
 

And I'm pretty sure someone even called this one (or at least an episode of it) Shakespeaerean (which I totally mispelled)

I enjoy the cuter, sweet TNs... but I lurve me some dark TNs too.