Saturday, July 25, 2015
Lo Imperdonable #49 Fri 7/24/15 The one with the magical healing herbs
Hi. You get me again, for the third time this week, sorry mates! Anyhoo, I again kindly ask that you use a name so that we all know who we are talking to in the comments section, think about it, say you went to a dinner party and you're with a group of people you've never met, what's the first thing you would do? That's right, you'd introduce yourself. You don't have to use your real name, call yourselves whatever you'd like, I just want to know who is hanging out in the patio!
And now your recap. Disclaimer: Events are NOT in order.
They tried to make me go to rehab but I said no,no,no:
Emiliano and Ginny finally come home, Selma is thrilled that her middle aged babies made it back in one piece. Jorge on the other hand is ready to ship Emiliano off to rehab. He tells the boy man to not bother unpacking because they are going straight to the airport and from there to the rehab clinic.
Emiliano pulls an Amy Winehouse and says "naw man, I'm not going because I don't have a problem", both Selma and Ginny come to his defense, but Emiliano shows that while he might be sober hes still a jerk as he rudely tells the women that he does not need them to defend him. He again says he's not going to rehab and he leaves, like a bat out of hell according to Matilde. This makes everyone worry cause he might have an accident or something, Selma and Jorge start making calls to try and find Emi. Yikes, this guy is like 50 and his parents are treating him like he is ten, I said it before and I'll say it again: casting Sendel in this role was a mistake.
Once Selma leaves the room Jorge questions Ginny about Emiliano and his drinking. Ginny says Emiliano only got drunk once after a problem with Martin, she tells Jorge that Marty found Emi and Veronica in a compromising situation and it's so emberrasing that she really does not wish to discuss it, but she says more than enough. Later,Ginny tells Selma that Marty found Vero and Emiliano in bed together.
Martin shows some remorse
Sigh. I'm so conflicted you guys. I love Ivan Sanchez. I think he really does have acting chops, which he showed tonight- if you want to see how good he is go watch LRDS, with Kate Del Castillo, specifically the episode where his actions cause the death of a young man. Ivan KILLED IT, he was great! So it's hard for me to like the actor but hate his character.
Daniel informs Marty that the hit that the injury Veronica suffered to her head caused swelling in her brain, and that she might never recover.
Marty is beside himself, he says he already lost his mother and brother and can't deal with the possibility of loosing her too. He cries. I wanna cry too because this sucker is actually making me feel bad for him. Later we see Doctor Feelgood resting in Botels house (someone had the keys so they are able to use the house/clinic to treat Vero), while he is resting Marty sits around freting when Claudia and Pierre show up.
Claudia managed to nag Pierre until he agreed to take her to see Marty to make sure he was okay. Viewers will note that never once did she ever ask about Veronica and her well being. She just cried and cried in her super annoying whinny voice about having to see Marty to make sure he was okay. Someone, feel free to throw a shoe at her.
Pierre offers Marty help, he says Marty and Veronica can stay in his hotel free of charge until they find a place to leave, Marty thanks him and asks to be left alone with Claudia, through all this Daniel is pretending to sleep.
Marty asks Claudia why she told Vero about Demetrio and Claudia blames Veronica for what happened. She says Veronica was attacking her and that she told veronica about Demetrio in the heat of the moment, after all how was she supposed to know that *he* had never talked to his wife about his brother? That's not a good enough excuse for Marty and he tells her that's it's over between them, he regrets even knowing her.
Claudia leaves in tears and meets up with option numberthree Pierre. Pierre is not stupid He tells her he realizes that she will never look at him the way she looks at Marty. Claudia tells him that she does not love Marty, it's just that they've been friends for years and she can't bear to lose him, Pierre replies with: "I'm a mature man, and I can understand the type of relationship you had with Martin, but you will never look at me the way you look at him, this is a battle that I've already lost. Don't worry, we will pretend like nothing happened here, you wont have to pay for your room, and you can continue to preform at the cantina, but this is over", and then he leaves, while Claudia stays behind and calls for him to return. Yay for self respect! you go Pierre, you go!
The old goat:
Oh my. Carlos might have been right when he said it looked like the old goat turned a new leaf. The old man is actually worried about the Santelmos and when AP and Blanca say they want to bring food to Marty and Daniel the old goat does not object, he says Veronica tried to help his grandson and he is not an ungrateful man,
At the cantina Ireri tells Padre Juan that Manuel refused to help put out the fire and wished that the Santelmos had died, he was also not surprised to hear about the fire. The padre confronts Manuel and the low-life criminal says he had nothing to do with the fire. He assumed the fire had happened as a result of a heated argument between Marty and Veronica, he did not try to help Vero because he was told to stay away from her and he was trying to avoid even more problems. I think Padre Juan bough that story.
In Mexico Magdalena has a feeling that Vero needs her. And Aaron's brother wants to meet with her, but on his own terms. DON'T. DO.IT.MAGADELA.
In Pueblo Nuevo:
Marty goes to the hovel and cries some more about how he never meant for Vero to get hurt and how he would do anything for her to get better. Pablo comes in and says everything will be okay and points out that the painting of the Virgin Mary survived the fire and that that's a sign that things will work out for Marty and Vero. Ummm, okay.
Marty goes back to the clinic and the news is still not good, he want to take Vero to Mexico City but Dan says that's not a good idea because of the nature of her injury, Marty apologizes and says he does not doubt Daniels skills as a doctor, he's just going crazy with worry.
Dan muses about how different Vero is from the way Virginia has described her, not that it matters, he is Ginny's lap dog and will do whatever she wants.
Nancy is sad because Martin is sad so she offers to heal Veronica, even if the white woman took away the only thing she (Nancy) wanted, Marty is too stupid to understand what that means. Nancy takes some herbs and places them on Veronica's head, she does a healing ritual and tada! It works. Veronica wakes from her coma.
Who needs science and doctors when you've got Nancy and magical working herbs that reduce brain swelling?
And I'm done, see ya all next week!
And now your recap. Disclaimer: Events are NOT in order.
They tried to make me go to rehab but I said no,no,no:
Emiliano and Ginny finally come home, Selma is thrilled that her middle aged babies made it back in one piece. Jorge on the other hand is ready to ship Emiliano off to rehab. He tells the
Emiliano pulls an Amy Winehouse and says "naw man, I'm not going because I don't have a problem", both Selma and Ginny come to his defense, but Emiliano shows that while he might be sober hes still a jerk as he rudely tells the women that he does not need them to defend him. He again says he's not going to rehab and he leaves, like a bat out of hell according to Matilde. This makes everyone worry cause he might have an accident or something, Selma and Jorge start making calls to try and find Emi. Yikes, this guy is like 50 and his parents are treating him like he is ten, I said it before and I'll say it again: casting Sendel in this role was a mistake.
Once Selma leaves the room Jorge questions Ginny about Emiliano and his drinking. Ginny says Emiliano only got drunk once after a problem with Martin, she tells Jorge that Marty found Emi and Veronica in a compromising situation and it's so emberrasing that she really does not wish to discuss it, but she says more than enough. Later,Ginny tells Selma that Marty found Vero and Emiliano in bed together.
Martin shows some remorse
Sigh. I'm so conflicted you guys. I love Ivan Sanchez. I think he really does have acting chops, which he showed tonight- if you want to see how good he is go watch LRDS, with Kate Del Castillo, specifically the episode where his actions cause the death of a young man. Ivan KILLED IT, he was great! So it's hard for me to like the actor but hate his character.
Daniel informs Marty that the hit that the injury Veronica suffered to her head caused swelling in her brain, and that she might never recover.
Marty is beside himself, he says he already lost his mother and brother and can't deal with the possibility of loosing her too. He cries. I wanna cry too because this sucker is actually making me feel bad for him. Later we see Doctor Feelgood resting in Botels house (someone had the keys so they are able to use the house/clinic to treat Vero), while he is resting Marty sits around freting when Claudia and Pierre show up.
Claudia managed to nag Pierre until he agreed to take her to see Marty to make sure he was okay. Viewers will note that never once did she ever ask about Veronica and her well being. She just cried and cried in her super annoying whinny voice about having to see Marty to make sure he was okay. Someone, feel free to throw a shoe at her.
Pierre offers Marty help, he says Marty and Veronica can stay in his hotel free of charge until they find a place to leave, Marty thanks him and asks to be left alone with Claudia, through all this Daniel is pretending to sleep.
Marty asks Claudia why she told Vero about Demetrio and Claudia blames Veronica for what happened. She says Veronica was attacking her and that she told veronica about Demetrio in the heat of the moment, after all how was she supposed to know that *he* had never talked to his wife about his brother? That's not a good enough excuse for Marty and he tells her that's it's over between them, he regrets even knowing her.
Claudia leaves in tears and meets up with option number
The old goat:
Oh my. Carlos might have been right when he said it looked like the old goat turned a new leaf. The old man is actually worried about the Santelmos and when AP and Blanca say they want to bring food to Marty and Daniel the old goat does not object, he says Veronica tried to help his grandson and he is not an ungrateful man,
At the cantina Ireri tells Padre Juan that Manuel refused to help put out the fire and wished that the Santelmos had died, he was also not surprised to hear about the fire. The padre confronts Manuel and the low-life criminal says he had nothing to do with the fire. He assumed the fire had happened as a result of a heated argument between Marty and Veronica, he did not try to help Vero because he was told to stay away from her and he was trying to avoid even more problems. I think Padre Juan bough that story.
In Mexico Magdalena has a feeling that Vero needs her. And Aaron's brother wants to meet with her, but on his own terms. DON'T. DO.IT.MAGADELA.
In Pueblo Nuevo:
Marty goes to the hovel and cries some more about how he never meant for Vero to get hurt and how he would do anything for her to get better. Pablo comes in and says everything will be okay and points out that the painting of the Virgin Mary survived the fire and that that's a sign that things will work out for Marty and Vero. Ummm, okay.
Marty goes back to the clinic and the news is still not good, he want to take Vero to Mexico City but Dan says that's not a good idea because of the nature of her injury, Marty apologizes and says he does not doubt Daniels skills as a doctor, he's just going crazy with worry.
Dan muses about how different Vero is from the way Virginia has described her, not that it matters, he is Ginny's lap dog and will do whatever she wants.
Nancy is sad because Martin is sad so she offers to heal Veronica, even if the white woman took away the only thing she (Nancy) wanted, Marty is too stupid to understand what that means. Nancy takes some herbs and places them on Veronica's head, she does a healing ritual and tada! It works. Veronica wakes from her coma.
Who needs science and doctors when you've got Nancy and magical working herbs that reduce brain swelling?
And I'm done, see ya all next week!
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You deserve a Purple Heart, the Medal of Valor and what the heck, a full confetti parade down the streets of New York, Eli. Working full-time and busting out three fine recaps to boot this week. You rock.
Favorite quip was "middle aged babies". Yes, I'm in total agreement. Casting Sendel in this role was wrong, wrong, wrong, but nevertheless, he did look good in his Sweat Lodge moment with Nanciyaga. But as "junior" in the P-C family, it just doesn't work.
And frankly, I can't get mad at Ivan either. He's hawt.That brooding, explosive look is muy sexy. And he'll eventually straighten out as do all good telenovela galans. I can wait. And in the meantime I'll enjoy the scenery.
Claudia, on the other hand...Yes, definitely a whiner. Pierre dodged a big lumpen bullet with that one.
Hope you can put your feet up and rest the remainder of the weekend, Eli. Or, alternatively, that your principe azul arrives and whisks you off to a land of enchantment.
Favorite quip was "middle aged babies". Yes, I'm in total agreement. Casting Sendel in this role was wrong, wrong, wrong, but nevertheless, he did look good in his Sweat Lodge moment with Nanciyaga. But as "junior" in the P-C family, it just doesn't work.
And frankly, I can't get mad at Ivan either. He's hawt.That brooding, explosive look is muy sexy. And he'll eventually straighten out as do all good telenovela galans. I can wait. And in the meantime I'll enjoy the scenery.
Claudia, on the other hand...Yes, definitely a whiner. Pierre dodged a big lumpen bullet with that one.
Hope you can put your feet up and rest the remainder of the weekend, Eli. Or, alternatively, that your principe azul arrives and whisks you off to a land of enchantment.
Another flawless recap!!!
Hope Emi doesn't throw away all that Nanci did for him. I wasn't put off by him telling the women he didn't need them. I'm sure he is frustrated and tired of being treated as a child that needs defending. Maybe he is running back to the island now.
Hope Emi doesn't throw away all that Nanci did for him. I wasn't put off by him telling the women he didn't need them. I'm sure he is frustrated and tired of being treated as a child that needs defending. Maybe he is running back to the island now.
WOW Eli. Thank You Thank You Thank You. You made an episode filled with disgusting Marteeen slobbering all over an unconscious Veronica interesting. Marteeen can die. I do not even own animals much less women. Barbaric turd. Now on to the one I really hate, Manual. I got the impression that Father J did not fully accept his story. Hopefully not. Since he is telling everyone that Gramp Old Goat kicked him out, he may need a place to live. I understand the Cave Jail is open.
And now to my new favorite ball bearing human Pepe Le Pew. Just as I hoped, he was not fooled by Claw-dia one little bit. "Hey Sweety, just forget last night ever happened. Keep the room and the singing gig. Last night was fun, but I'm gonna go home and get your lipstick off my dipstick and move on. Good luck with Marty."
Thank You Pepe for having a pair.
I hope I didn't break any Blogger rules. :-).
And now to my new favorite ball bearing human Pepe Le Pew. Just as I hoped, he was not fooled by Claw-dia one little bit. "Hey Sweety, just forget last night ever happened. Keep the room and the singing gig. Last night was fun, but I'm gonna go home and get your lipstick off my dipstick and move on. Good luck with Marty."
Thank You Pepe for having a pair.
I hope I didn't break any Blogger rules. :-).
Permalink posted by 
: Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 9:01:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 9:01:00 PM EDT
Eli,I like the recap, it was gooooood. Dr. Dan had me goin there for a minute. I thought he was going to change his mind about veronica, but then he conceded to being ginnygirl's lap dog. He seems to be content being her fool. Maybe he thinks he dosen"t deserve better. Poor stupid man. I don't feel sorry for him, he loves the sh*** he's wallowing in.
I hope martin has changed his way of seeing his wife, and stop believeing the lies. If he hasn't, sucks to be him.
I hope the padre didn't believe the lies of manny the maniac.
Veronica woke up fighting marty, instead of smothering him with kisses and I love yous. Thats just sad. He better fix it!!!!!
I hope martin has changed his way of seeing his wife, and stop believeing the lies. If he hasn't, sucks to be him.
I hope the padre didn't believe the lies of manny the maniac.
Veronica woke up fighting marty, instead of smothering him with kisses and I love yous. Thats just sad. He better fix it!!!!!
Permalink posted by : Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 9:10:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 9:10:00 PM EDT
JudyB you are such a sweetheart! I've taken good care of myself, I went out and got a hair cut and then had take out Cinese food, in a little bit I'm off to spend some time with my better and frankly prettier half, lol.
Thank You Eli. @Nina: The previews did show Vero waking up mad as before. I wondered if she was picking up where she left off or maybe didn't even recognize Marteeen. I smell a rat. She said something like " Where am I or what happened?" or something that made me think her memory might be affected. A favorite TN theme.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 12:09:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 12:09:00 AM EDT
Thank you Eli. I am halfway through the episodes so I am also using the recaps to help me out. Manuel is such an annoying creep. I hope he , Emi and Martin get dumped off in a cliff somewhere to settle their differences once and for all in a triple sparring match. Whoever wins gets deported to Gitmo. Then Jorge Salinas comes to the rescue and get's the girl. Meanwhile Pablo and AP sail off with Grandpa Jesus to the Netherworld with Captain Polo running the crew.
Thank you Eli. I hope now Martin believes Vero when she wakes up. I just want Claudia to leave!!! I like Pierre he deserves better.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 5:45:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 5:45:00 AM EDT
Eli,
Great recap! Thank you for pulling triple duty this week. It's so greatly appreciated.
JudyB, what you said about Ivan made me giggle. I join you in enjoying the scenery.
Going back to sleep. More later.
Hasta pronto
Great recap! Thank you for pulling triple duty this week. It's so greatly appreciated.
JudyB, what you said about Ivan made me giggle. I join you in enjoying the scenery.
Going back to sleep. More later.
Hasta pronto
And I don't know what to think of goo goo magic instead of a good ole doctor. It cheapens up the art of medicine to extreme levels but I am glad that our hero got out of the critical situation. It reminds me of the witch from Abismo De Horror and good grandma from La Tormenta ( She was supposedly ressurected from the dead but she wasnt capable of fleeing the Dead List) . Or did the writer chose Nancy as the saviour because she knew that Marty couldnt afford Obamacare?
Eli- My goodness, girl! Cripple duty this week. How can we ever thank you for going so far above and beyond to give us recaps this week. Mil ocho mil gracias!
Until I hear Martin think or say the words, "I now believe that Vero is NOT lying to me, and I was WRONG.", I'll be unmoved by all his crying and declarations of undying love.
Until I hear Martin think or say the words, "I now believe that Vero is NOT lying to me, and I was WRONG.", I'll be unmoved by all his crying and declarations of undying love.
The arguments about Marty having a reason to believe what he heard about Vero from Virginia and overhearing Jorge, were only valid until he got to know her, lived with her, observed her up close. That only should have sown doubt into his mind and put him on a path to find the truth. But the fact that he flat out called Vero a liar, when to his face she told him what he heard was not true, shows me that he does not know her at all, doesn't respect her, and doesn't believe that the honest good person he has observed these last weeks and months is the real Vero. He's not worthy of her love.
Thank You three times over Ms. Eli. Vivi I am with you on Marteeen. The struggle in the inferno and before the fire especially sealed him with me. Hey Marteeen it is not like your prize winning heifer got loose and you are trying to put her back in the barn. Marteeen's redemption will not come quickly here. Marty is mentally very defective and of little value as a human being outside of possibly his engineering talents, ironically, of which we have seen scant evidence.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 11:42:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 11:42:00 AM EDT
I totally agree Vivi, all the crying, slobbering and more slobbering, crying, kissing, and pledgeing undying love, and then still, saying "you are lying". It means nothing, no wonder she woke fighting. And then that manipulating bitch vsnake, telling jorge more lies he looks to be believeing. Theres going to be an avalanche of anvils when all the lies are piled up. I hate lies, liars, deception, it just destroys lives. Thats the other half that drives these tns, so when the truth comes out the lies get blown to kingdom come along with the liars.
They need to hurry up with the big reveal about Magdalena and Veronica being mother and daughter. Shes going to need that momma lioness when selma comes after her to try and defend that liar (Vsnake) she raised.
Hey vivi, Ivan is pretty to look at, the guy he's playing just really sucks. ;-)
They need to hurry up with the big reveal about Magdalena and Veronica being mother and daughter. Shes going to need that momma lioness when selma comes after her to try and defend that liar (Vsnake) she raised.
Hey vivi, Ivan is pretty to look at, the guy he's playing just really sucks. ;-)
Permalink posted by : Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 11:55:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 11:55:00 AM EDT
Ah yeah and I cannot wait until Manuel gets his anvil. I wonder what will become of him in future episodes. Will he get redeemed ? For some reason I would like Marty and Emi teaming up together to beat the snot out of ManPoo. Even Emi doing it alone would make me very satisfied because for the first time in his miserable life ManPoo would learn true fear and respect !
Thanks Eli for providing us with another funny funny recap!
I weeped when the doctor just seemed fine with settling in being Virginia's lapdog. I've been holding out on a possible redemption for him but it seems he would open wide for his anvil dose for the sake of Virginia.
And now I'm worried for Magdalena. Just speculation here but I wonder if her ex faked his death and took over his brother's identity somehow that's only possible in tnland. I'm glad she gave an adamant No but her need to know about her daughter will probably unfortunately overcome that.
jlk
I weeped when the doctor just seemed fine with settling in being Virginia's lapdog. I've been holding out on a possible redemption for him but it seems he would open wide for his anvil dose for the sake of Virginia.
And now I'm worried for Magdalena. Just speculation here but I wonder if her ex faked his death and took over his brother's identity somehow that's only possible in tnland. I'm glad she gave an adamant No but her need to know about her daughter will probably unfortunately overcome that.
jlk
Permalink posted by : Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 1:17:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 1:17:00 PM EDT
Yes Manuel needs a reality check. I kind of wish he ends up going to the capital and realizes what a tiny tiny annoying fish he is.
jlk
jlk
Permalink posted by : Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 1:20:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 1:20:00 PM EDT
Thanks Ms. E. Thanks three times over.
Oh so much hate so few characters. These three are a study in hateful people, Marteeen, Vsnake, and Manual. All three have probably caused the demise of a few TV screens out in Viewerville, and all three are hateful enough that the only thing which saved my Sony is my last minute remembrance that "It is only a TV show".
They all three are completely different:
Martin is just so messed up, and over the top macho and mean that you almost would feel sorry for him, as in when a pet must be euthanized, as you pull the trigger.
Vsnake has been analyzed at length. Socio/Psychopath. Not mean or out of touch with reality, just terminator-movie-styled focus and determination to get what she wants, humanity be damned.
Manual is really the mystery here. Yeah, spoiled brat, but just plain old mean with no real purpose to hurting others. No motive, nothing, just mean mean mean. In my book he is the most hate-able one of the lot. The others, you just want them to leave, or die quickly. Manual, you want tortured. It was interesting when Father Juan was interrogating him the next day concerning his nonchalant attitude about the fire. Father asked him if he drank so much so that he could sleep at night. There was an odd undercurrent in the conversation, as though a secret might be part of Manual's problem too.
I am finding my chair creeping closer to the almost deserted Emiliano table. I wonder if miracle girl Nanci salvaged his tormented soul. It is hard for me to find fault with spoiled rich boy with waaaay too many toys who maybe might drink a wee bit too much sometimes. Hmmmm
Oh so much hate so few characters. These three are a study in hateful people, Marteeen, Vsnake, and Manual. All three have probably caused the demise of a few TV screens out in Viewerville, and all three are hateful enough that the only thing which saved my Sony is my last minute remembrance that "It is only a TV show".
They all three are completely different:
Martin is just so messed up, and over the top macho and mean that you almost would feel sorry for him, as in when a pet must be euthanized, as you pull the trigger.
Vsnake has been analyzed at length. Socio/Psychopath. Not mean or out of touch with reality, just terminator-movie-styled focus and determination to get what she wants, humanity be damned.
Manual is really the mystery here. Yeah, spoiled brat, but just plain old mean with no real purpose to hurting others. No motive, nothing, just mean mean mean. In my book he is the most hate-able one of the lot. The others, you just want them to leave, or die quickly. Manual, you want tortured. It was interesting when Father Juan was interrogating him the next day concerning his nonchalant attitude about the fire. Father asked him if he drank so much so that he could sleep at night. There was an odd undercurrent in the conversation, as though a secret might be part of Manual's problem too.
I am finding my chair creeping closer to the almost deserted Emiliano table. I wonder if miracle girl Nanci salvaged his tormented soul. It is hard for me to find fault with spoiled rich boy with waaaay too many toys who maybe might drink a wee bit too much sometimes. Hmmmm
Permalink posted by : Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 1:30:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 1:30:00 PM EDT
It's past time for the gringo to weigh in. I have been trying to come up with a comment of praise for Eli's three days of hard recap work and after thinking it over and then over some more, I have come to the conclusion that Judy B's eloquent words of praise to you Eli says it all and so I will second what was said in the first paragraph of Judy's comment.
Count, LOL you sure have an imagination. Let the three fight it out and the winner gets deported to Gitmo. Then Jorge Salinas comes to the rescue and gets the girl. I like it---sounds pretty good.
Vivi---Your statement at 11:08 is 100% right on. Marty has been smothering Vero with kisses while she was in a coma but as we saw at the end of the show Friday night, Vero wakes up fighting mad. I hope that she gives it to him big time and doesn't back down. Give crazy Marty a long time to think of what a jerk he has been.
He had been told that in the past, Vero had been sleeping around and yet Marty hasn't verified any of those claims nor does he have even one name of Veronica's supposed lovers.
Nina said that there's going to be an avalanche of anvils when all the piled up lies are found out---I agree. I wonder how many will be left standing in the end?
One thing that has seemed to gain any attention both by the shows cast and the patio peeps is the blocked door to the hovel during the fire. You would have thought that at least someone would have said---Hey! what about all this stuff piled up in front of the door? Who did this?
the gringo
Count, LOL you sure have an imagination. Let the three fight it out and the winner gets deported to Gitmo. Then Jorge Salinas comes to the rescue and gets the girl. I like it---sounds pretty good.
Vivi---Your statement at 11:08 is 100% right on. Marty has been smothering Vero with kisses while she was in a coma but as we saw at the end of the show Friday night, Vero wakes up fighting mad. I hope that she gives it to him big time and doesn't back down. Give crazy Marty a long time to think of what a jerk he has been.
He had been told that in the past, Vero had been sleeping around and yet Marty hasn't verified any of those claims nor does he have even one name of Veronica's supposed lovers.
Nina said that there's going to be an avalanche of anvils when all the piled up lies are found out---I agree. I wonder how many will be left standing in the end?
One thing that has seemed to gain any attention both by the shows cast and the patio peeps is the blocked door to the hovel during the fire. You would have thought that at least someone would have said---Hey! what about all this stuff piled up in front of the door? Who did this?
the gringo
Permalink posted by : Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 1:35:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 1:35:00 PM EDT
Thanks yet again, Eli. You're a marvel and best of all, you seem to be having a jolly time of it... even thriving.
As much as I despise Manuel, he was the one who gave me a genuine smile Friday night. Padre Juan scolded him for not helping with the firefighting and he responded that he actually was helpful... by not getting in the way. Good job, Manuel.
Martín's lunacy is such a treat to observe and it's amusing to watch his staunch supporter's tying themselves in rhetorical knots in his defense. Don't worry, I'm fairly certain that he'll ultimately find redemption even as the unfortunate Virginia will face her well-earned punishment... whether or not she turns out to be a psychopath.
What is not so certain to me is what is to become of the mysterious Nanciyaga or the elderly child Emiliano.
Carlos
As much as I despise Manuel, he was the one who gave me a genuine smile Friday night. Padre Juan scolded him for not helping with the firefighting and he responded that he actually was helpful... by not getting in the way. Good job, Manuel.
Martín's lunacy is such a treat to observe and it's amusing to watch his staunch supporter's tying themselves in rhetorical knots in his defense. Don't worry, I'm fairly certain that he'll ultimately find redemption even as the unfortunate Virginia will face her well-earned punishment... whether or not she turns out to be a psychopath.
What is not so certain to me is what is to become of the mysterious Nanciyaga or the elderly child Emiliano.
Carlos
Eli, over the top greeeeeeaaat. Traveling and didn't watch but thank you so much.
Agree Vivi with every fiber of my being. "he does not know her at all, doesn't respect her, and doesn't believe that the honest good person he has observed these last weeks and months is the real Vero. He's not worthy of her love"
For me he crossed the point of no return when he never intended to confess anything until he extracted a confession from her, confirming her slutty ways, and therefore would forgive her because HE fell in love. He goes so far as physically restraining her, refusing to let his captive escape, when his possession attempts to flee from the pain. All he needs is a wife beater shirt
I still say that even if everything that was said about her was true he is not entitled to abuse her nor keep her captive. Martin is no different than Manuel and believes women are for using, punishing and public humiliation. I cannot wrap my head around how his conduct toward another human being is romantic, part of courtship or common decency.
Agree Vivi with every fiber of my being. "he does not know her at all, doesn't respect her, and doesn't believe that the honest good person he has observed these last weeks and months is the real Vero. He's not worthy of her love"
For me he crossed the point of no return when he never intended to confess anything until he extracted a confession from her, confirming her slutty ways, and therefore would forgive her because HE fell in love. He goes so far as physically restraining her, refusing to let his captive escape, when his possession attempts to flee from the pain. All he needs is a wife beater shirt
I still say that even if everything that was said about her was true he is not entitled to abuse her nor keep her captive. Martin is no different than Manuel and believes women are for using, punishing and public humiliation. I cannot wrap my head around how his conduct toward another human being is romantic, part of courtship or common decency.
Thank You Tofie and Vivi. Well Put. As I said all along, damaged beyond repair. A non-human animal would be put down.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 2:32:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 2:32:00 PM EDT
Well I am nearly close to catching up viewing on demand but based on the recaps I would rather sit at AlcoEmi's table than at Marti's. I know a guy named Marty and the character is giving shame to the honorable name. Besides I like Sendel better than Ivan the Terrible in this novela anyway. Elderly Child Emi and his development towards greatness has been more interesting to watch than Marty's tired old rants and crocodile tears!
Eli, you are the greatest to keep these translations flowing for us Spanish deficient watchers. Thanks a million!
Marty just gave me the creeps watching him kissing Vero over and over and over. It sort of reminds me of that saying "....the Lady doth protest too much." Seemed abundantly insincere to me after his abuse just hours beforehand. I don't know if Ivan is supposed to be a scripted bull in a china shop in his romantic attempts, or if he just can't get a handle on tender, gentle and being convincingly caring in his acting as a lover. I shall reserve judgment until I've seen him in a similar role so that I can compare.
I think that the glass Nanciyaga had in her foot will lead to Manuel eventually, once the tequila bottle or label shows up that was standing on the ledge when he started the fire. Claudia is quite dense...hurry back to D.F. dear. All those wealthy men there are waiting for you!! Virginia will soon be hoisted by her own petard. The sooner the better! Will Emiliano find true happiness? We hope so...he's so redeemable. I think Sergio is doing a splended job all considered. Yes, I do hope that Vero will continue on with her divorce, or at least leave. There seems nothing she can do to make Marty see the outrageous truth. He's totally in denial as in the truth you believe and hold onto makes you unavailable to hear anything new.
Gale
Marty just gave me the creeps watching him kissing Vero over and over and over. It sort of reminds me of that saying "....the Lady doth protest too much." Seemed abundantly insincere to me after his abuse just hours beforehand. I don't know if Ivan is supposed to be a scripted bull in a china shop in his romantic attempts, or if he just can't get a handle on tender, gentle and being convincingly caring in his acting as a lover. I shall reserve judgment until I've seen him in a similar role so that I can compare.
I think that the glass Nanciyaga had in her foot will lead to Manuel eventually, once the tequila bottle or label shows up that was standing on the ledge when he started the fire. Claudia is quite dense...hurry back to D.F. dear. All those wealthy men there are waiting for you!! Virginia will soon be hoisted by her own petard. The sooner the better! Will Emiliano find true happiness? We hope so...he's so redeemable. I think Sergio is doing a splended job all considered. Yes, I do hope that Vero will continue on with her divorce, or at least leave. There seems nothing she can do to make Marty see the outrageous truth. He's totally in denial as in the truth you believe and hold onto makes you unavailable to hear anything new.
Gale
Permalink posted by : Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 3:45:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 3:45:00 PM EDT
Thanks so much to Eli and the other fantastic recappers. I so appreciate your work. Vivi and Tofie said it all for me. Gale too. Marty is much to creepy, aggressive and manipulative to ever love. He was so literally in her face, even when she was out cold. He's suffocating her, while trying to break her down. He's never tried to find out the truth, he just blamed Veronica. He's not galan material.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:35:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:35:00 PM EDT
Carlos," The elderly child Emiliano" LOL!!! HE IS RATHER OLD. Why they thought he'd look
30ish, we'll never know. Knowing that they (marty and veronica) came out of a burning building, you'd think he'd want his wife to breath in some fresh air instead of him smothering her with kisses.
WHAT IS SELMA'S STORY?
30ish, we'll never know. Knowing that they (marty and veronica) came out of a burning building, you'd think he'd want his wife to breath in some fresh air instead of him smothering her with kisses.
WHAT IS SELMA'S STORY?
Permalink posted by : Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 9:00:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 9:00:00 PM EDT
It came to me last night that I would have loved to see SS as the galan here .This would have been a perfect role for him since he does emotional and pithed off characters well. I havent really bought Marty with the revenge plot but with SS potraying Martin I would have definetly related to the character. Ivan could have easily played the Elderly Child without the scenes looking ridiculous . Atleast that is just my imput. Then this could have been #1 material novela to me for all times. It may be Number 1 with the numbers but I don't think it has deserved the status yet.
Thank You Eli and everyone. I have a quick question about the fire. I recall Martin and Vero knocking over the lamp, thus starting the fire inside. I recall Manuel positioning things in front of the door. Did he also set a fire at the front door?
I remember A couple episodes back when Vero walked in from gathering herbs or some vegetation and overheard Martin discussing his marriage with Father Juan, Vero walked in via a large side door from the outside. Why would they not just exit out that opening if the front door was on fire and barricaded? It just looked so contrived to me, as they did not entertain the idea of diving out a window either.
I remember A couple episodes back when Vero walked in from gathering herbs or some vegetation and overheard Martin discussing his marriage with Father Juan, Vero walked in via a large side door from the outside. Why would they not just exit out that opening if the front door was on fire and barricaded? It just looked so contrived to me, as they did not entertain the idea of diving out a window either.
Permalink posted by : Monday, July 27, 2015 at 1:45:00 PM EDT
: Monday, July 27, 2015 at 1:45:00 PM EDT
Great Recap Eli! Thanks :-)
I was trying to find a proper word/sentence to sum up Daniel in this episode and I was at a lost for words, but you pretty much summed it up for me. Shaking my damn head!
Dan muses about how different Vero is from the way Virginia has
describe her, not that it matters, he is Ginny's lap dog and
will do whatever she wants.
I think we can disagree about Martin/Virginia/or any of the characters without being disagreeable.
I will defend/I am defending Martin not only because he is very easy on the eyes or because I condone his behavior...I defend him/I am defending him, because human beings are fallible (Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her).”
I’ve said this and I will continue to say this... I do not think the way Martin treated Vero somehow defies who he is as a human being. I think most of us would hate to be defined by a mistake we made in our life. The only undisputed fact for Martin is that his brother is dead...he killed himself, because he was heartbroken by a woman named V Prado-Castelo. According to Vero's family... Vero was with Dim. Martin has not been provided one ounce of evidence to make him think that it is not Vero but Virginia.
Martin is acting crazy, because he cannot reconcile the Vero he met/is married to with the Vero he thinks is responsible for his brother’s death and the Vero that her FAMILY has implied changes men like she changes her underwear.
The argument that Martin (who knows Vero for like months) should disregard what her family told him about her...family who raised her and was raised with her for over 20+ years is very unrealistic. He has doubts about Vero...that makes him human just like Jorge who (raised, admired and trusted Vero) started to have doubts about Vero’s character after Virginia also fed him BS.
If Jorge started treating Vero differently after what Virginia told him (this is the man..a.gain, who raised Vero, admired, respected her, and who has been accused by Salma and Virginia to favor Vero blindly), why is Martin being held to a higher standard?
Martin thought/thinks Vero is responsible for Dim’s death, because she is a cold hearted snake that uses man and get rid of them...his opinion is reinforced by all her family, and because of a few positive and good actions by Vero, he is supposed to now have blind faith in her?
Many times when someone is arrested for being a serial killer, rapist, terrorist... his family and friends are always shocked and could NEVER EVER imagine the nice, sweet, helpful, and noble guy who always help the old lady with the groceries to her apartment was sauteing human body parts for dinner or torturing a woman in his basement.
I was trying to find a proper word/sentence to sum up Daniel in this episode and I was at a lost for words, but you pretty much summed it up for me. Shaking my damn head!
Dan muses about how different Vero is from the way Virginia has
describe her, not that it matters, he is Ginny's lap dog and
will do whatever she wants.
I think we can disagree about Martin/Virginia/or any of the characters without being disagreeable.
I will defend/I am defending Martin not only because he is very easy on the eyes or because I condone his behavior...I defend him/I am defending him, because human beings are fallible (Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her).”
I’ve said this and I will continue to say this... I do not think the way Martin treated Vero somehow defies who he is as a human being. I think most of us would hate to be defined by a mistake we made in our life. The only undisputed fact for Martin is that his brother is dead...he killed himself, because he was heartbroken by a woman named V Prado-Castelo. According to Vero's family... Vero was with Dim. Martin has not been provided one ounce of evidence to make him think that it is not Vero but Virginia.
Martin is acting crazy, because he cannot reconcile the Vero he met/is married to with the Vero he thinks is responsible for his brother’s death and the Vero that her FAMILY has implied changes men like she changes her underwear.
The argument that Martin (who knows Vero for like months) should disregard what her family told him about her...family who raised her and was raised with her for over 20+ years is very unrealistic. He has doubts about Vero...that makes him human just like Jorge who (raised, admired and trusted Vero) started to have doubts about Vero’s character after Virginia also fed him BS.
If Jorge started treating Vero differently after what Virginia told him (this is the man..a.gain, who raised Vero, admired, respected her, and who has been accused by Salma and Virginia to favor Vero blindly), why is Martin being held to a higher standard?
Martin thought/thinks Vero is responsible for Dim’s death, because she is a cold hearted snake that uses man and get rid of them...his opinion is reinforced by all her family, and because of a few positive and good actions by Vero, he is supposed to now have blind faith in her?
Many times when someone is arrested for being a serial killer, rapist, terrorist... his family and friends are always shocked and could NEVER EVER imagine the nice, sweet, helpful, and noble guy who always help the old lady with the groceries to her apartment was sauteing human body parts for dinner or torturing a woman in his basement.
Jolie- I also think Jorge is a blind jerk for thinking the worst of Vero when he knows her better than anyone else. I quickly revoked his father-figure status when he gave into gossip and believed what he knew to not be true about Vero's character. I actually hold him to a higher standard than Martin, and believe me, he will receive the same tongue lashing from me the next time he implies Vero is a ho to her face, like Martin does.
You made the case for exactly why Jorge and Martin (and Emi) should have doubted what they heard about Vero. The neighbors/friends/family are naturally shocked to hear that someone they thought good has done horrible things. It should NOT be easy for people, like Emi and Jorge, who know someone to be good, to quickly and easily believe they are bad or have done bad. The fact that they so easily did means that they don't love/respect/trust/know Vero as they claim to.
"Martin has not been provided one ounce of evidence to make him think that it is not Vero but Virginia."
I would argue that he has. The evidence is the months/weeks he has spent with her, and her own words from her very own mouth. If he thinks it's all been an act this whole time, then he can't claim to love her. He would know that he's in love with a lie/sham.
You made the case for exactly why Jorge and Martin (and Emi) should have doubted what they heard about Vero. The neighbors/friends/family are naturally shocked to hear that someone they thought good has done horrible things. It should NOT be easy for people, like Emi and Jorge, who know someone to be good, to quickly and easily believe they are bad or have done bad. The fact that they so easily did means that they don't love/respect/trust/know Vero as they claim to.
"Martin has not been provided one ounce of evidence to make him think that it is not Vero but Virginia."
I would argue that he has. The evidence is the months/weeks he has spent with her, and her own words from her very own mouth. If he thinks it's all been an act this whole time, then he can't claim to love her. He would know that he's in love with a lie/sham.
Jolie, let's change the argument then: Martin is a bad guy because he married a woman simply to make her miserable, his plan failed because he fell in love with her. This was not a case of him coming home and finding his wife with another man. He took her to live in a hovel, away from her friends, family, and job just so he could get revenge, that's it.
And no, his brother's death does not in any way justify his actions.
And no, his brother's death does not in any way justify his actions.
Permalink posted by : Monday, July 27, 2015 at 3:27:00 PM EDT
: Monday, July 27, 2015 at 3:27:00 PM EDT
I think Martin fixated on Veronica because he was attracted to her and by looks alone pegged her a slut, not mousey Virginia, and quickly concluded she must the the siren. Veronica actually made it easy for Martin since she fell for him quickly and I don't think Virginia would have allowed Martin to abuse her for one minute which would have made his plan for revenge impossible. This was revenge and opportunity and Martin took it. Veronica approached the whirlwind romance trusting and exposed while Martin did with cruel intent. Martin decided to destroy another human being and, despite his best friend's counsel otherwise, laid his trap.
Martin has bullied, cajoled and sweet talked all around to assist and to justify his behavior, (have we forgotten his slimeball move to use a confessional to shut up the padre?) proving how easy it is to condemn an innocent when a misogynist believes they have cornered a slut. Good looking, charming men like Martin can, as we see here, pretty easily.
Bothering me as well about Martin is how easily he dismissed his role in Demetrio's slide. For a man that prides himself in being not only an older brother but a father to him, why wasn't he engaged enough in his life to see warning signs? Instead it is much easier for him to blame and condemn another.
Martin has bullied, cajoled and sweet talked all around to assist and to justify his behavior, (have we forgotten his slimeball move to use a confessional to shut up the padre?) proving how easy it is to condemn an innocent when a misogynist believes they have cornered a slut. Good looking, charming men like Martin can, as we see here, pretty easily.
Bothering me as well about Martin is how easily he dismissed his role in Demetrio's slide. For a man that prides himself in being not only an older brother but a father to him, why wasn't he engaged enough in his life to see warning signs? Instead it is much easier for him to blame and condemn another.
I have to agree with Eli. Martin's actions are in no way justified even if Ver actually resulted being a Hoe. Bad blood brings more bad blood and lies eventually come out. When ye mortals attempt judging Monsters make sure ye do not turn into Monsters themselves less ye shall reap what ye sow .
Martin had so much time to meet Ver's true nature yet he shamed and bullied her to the very end. If I was Ver I would have never married Marty in my wildest dreams much less waiting for these atrocious six months before the actual wedding even occured.
Martin had so much time to meet Ver's true nature yet he shamed and bullied her to the very end. If I was Ver I would have never married Marty in my wildest dreams much less waiting for these atrocious six months before the actual wedding even occured.
Martin did nothing to find out what really happened to his brother. Martin has money, why not have the body examined? Why not ask detailed questions about Demetrios last behaviors, his friends/enemies, who had seen his girlfriend. Absolutely no checking into the circumstances of his brothers death, while targeting an innocent person to blame and torture, is unpardonable.
Permalink posted by : Monday, July 27, 2015 at 3:53:00 PM EDT
: Monday, July 27, 2015 at 3:53:00 PM EDT
I understand what you're saying jolie, but my beef with marteen is, he's believeing people at that time that he didn't know any more than he knew veronica. Yet he took their lies to be truth about her. And even tho he loves her
He still isn't willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. He wants her to admit to something based on lies. Plus he's had enough time to really think "maybe MY WIFE didn't do what these people said she did. They could be lying to protect someone else". But you know all of this could be for effect, and its workin cause it is sickening, seeing him treat her like this. Calling her a liar and saying I love you in the same breath. Come on peoplde, really!!!
He still isn't willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. He wants her to admit to something based on lies. Plus he's had enough time to really think "maybe MY WIFE didn't do what these people said she did. They could be lying to protect someone else". But you know all of this could be for effect, and its workin cause it is sickening, seeing him treat her like this. Calling her a liar and saying I love you in the same breath. Come on peoplde, really!!!
Permalink posted by : Monday, July 27, 2015 at 3:55:00 PM EDT
: Monday, July 27, 2015 at 3:55:00 PM EDT
Vivi: I loved that you used my own argument to argue your point...kudos :-)! The point I was making though is "do we really ever know somebody"? Virginia is a perfect example...she looks fragile and helpless…yet she is a black mamba.
I can't blame Martin (who is technically a stranger to Vero and vice versa) for not taking Vero's word as gospel.
We at the patio know that Vero did not sleep with Dim, but let say the the Novela was scripted differently and we were in Martin shoes, we would just accept Vero at her word.
Just because someone helps the old lady in his building carry groceries does not make him a good person and just because someone wants a little revenge does not make him a bad person either.
I think because some people in the patio knows that Vero was never with it Dim, they find it hard to be sympathetic towards Martin, but I like to play the devil's advocate because I know that life/things are never in black and white. Life is messy.
I have a few questions for the patio…if your loved one (brother, mother, son, sister, etc) one was murdered in a robbery and 2 years later, you meet this person, fall in love and marry him/her…your husband/wife is now a teacher who teaches children with learning disabilities, volunteer at his/her church, and goes to conflict areas to help…by all account…a saint.
You are later told by this person’s family members (all of them) that two years ago he/she killed someone during a robbery (your loved one). In addition, you found a piece of jewelry that belonged to your loved one in his/her possession. When you confront your spouse, he/she denied denied denied... what was told to you? Do you believe your spouse or his family? No matter how much you love that person, would you want some justice for your loved one? Would you wonder why his/her family member would lie to you?
I can't blame Martin (who is technically a stranger to Vero and vice versa) for not taking Vero's word as gospel.
We at the patio know that Vero did not sleep with Dim, but let say the the Novela was scripted differently and we were in Martin shoes, we would just accept Vero at her word.
Just because someone helps the old lady in his building carry groceries does not make him a good person and just because someone wants a little revenge does not make him a bad person either.
I think because some people in the patio knows that Vero was never with it Dim, they find it hard to be sympathetic towards Martin, but I like to play the devil's advocate because I know that life/things are never in black and white. Life is messy.
I have a few questions for the patio…if your loved one (brother, mother, son, sister, etc) one was murdered in a robbery and 2 years later, you meet this person, fall in love and marry him/her…your husband/wife is now a teacher who teaches children with learning disabilities, volunteer at his/her church, and goes to conflict areas to help…by all account…a saint.
You are later told by this person’s family members (all of them) that two years ago he/she killed someone during a robbery (your loved one). In addition, you found a piece of jewelry that belonged to your loved one in his/her possession. When you confront your spouse, he/she denied denied denied... what was told to you? Do you believe your spouse or his family? No matter how much you love that person, would you want some justice for your loved one? Would you wonder why his/her family member would lie to you?
Jolie- I would not just accept such a serious accusation without real proof. I would wonder why this person's loved ones are telling me, a complete stranger, this. It would make me question their motives. Even more so after I had gotten to know the person they are accusing. I would more than likely think the one throwing out the accusations, who I know LESS than the person being accused, is the guilty party and is trying to throw me off the scent. Especially if I found out that both the person being accused AND the accuser have the same smoking gun piece of jewelry. I have always believed the person who easily and readily badmouths another person has more to hide than that person.
Even Virginia didn't murder Demetrio and for kicks lets say she did, Martin shouldn't become a self appointed judge and executioner.
I think the most important part in all this is that it was Veronica's FAMILY who put all this in motion. That is a very crucial part in all this. When Martin met Vero he was hoping that it was not Vero because Vero and Virginia had the same initial. It was Vero's own family and her own words that made him believe it was Vero.
And I remember on two different occasions Martin gave a Vero an opportunity to leave him...once before the wedding and again after he got hurt. Clearly he has a conscience.
As for him kissing all over her when she was hurt, Vero did the exact thing after Manuel stabbed him, when he got hurt the second time, when he was passed out in before the transfusion, and when Martin was about to Crazy on Manuel after he busted in.
And I remember on two different occasions Martin gave a Vero an opportunity to leave him...once before the wedding and again after he got hurt. Clearly he has a conscience.
As for him kissing all over her when she was hurt, Vero did the exact thing after Manuel stabbed him, when he got hurt the second time, when he was passed out in before the transfusion, and when Martin was about to Crazy on Manuel after he busted in.
Tofie: It is easy to see things in black and white when it hypothetical. I am not sure everyone who hates Martin would easily just turn the other cheek if it was your loved on that was dead. I think is very human to want a little revenge.
No one really knows how he/she is to act until he/she is in a situation.
No one really knows how he/she is to act until he/she is in a situation.
Jolie,
"...just because someone wants a little revenge does not make him a bad person..."
Seriously?
Unless of course he marries a perfectly innocent woman with the sole purpose of torturing her and making her life a living Hell.
Heck, as best I can tell, all that Virginia wants is what she sees as a better more comfortable life for herself. I don't think her goal was to make anyone suffer. For that matter, she certainly didn't intend any harm to come to Dimitrio.
Carlos
"...just because someone wants a little revenge does not make him a bad person..."
Seriously?
Unless of course he marries a perfectly innocent woman with the sole purpose of torturing her and making her life a living Hell.
Heck, as best I can tell, all that Virginia wants is what she sees as a better more comfortable life for herself. I don't think her goal was to make anyone suffer. For that matter, she certainly didn't intend any harm to come to Dimitrio.
Carlos
Jolie, I don't think we'd turn the other cheek but I also don't thing we'd be crazy enough TO MARRY SOMEONE JUST FOR REVENGE.
Of course I can only speak for myself in this case.
Of course I can only speak for myself in this case.
Permalink posted by : Monday, July 27, 2015 at 7:07:00 PM EDT
: Monday, July 27, 2015 at 7:07:00 PM EDT
Virginia is evil and caculating. You saw how easy it was for her to manipulate the situation with emi and vero on the bed. She knows (if Im not mistaken) what really happemed. But told it in a way to keep the lie going. And jorge sucked It up. She hates veronica, if it wasn't this, she'd lie about something else. She's a vendictive person.
Thats what a I see when I look ay this young
Woman, she didn't even think Demetrio was good enough until he got rich, and when she didn't think he was rich she dumped him in that letter. It seems to me that she doesn't think a person is worth anything if they don't have money to give her what she thinks she deserves. she don't really care that much about Emiliano she just wants his inheritance and then she wants to dump it. Well, thats my spin on it.
Thats what a I see when I look ay this young
Woman, she didn't even think Demetrio was good enough until he got rich, and when she didn't think he was rich she dumped him in that letter. It seems to me that she doesn't think a person is worth anything if they don't have money to give her what she thinks she deserves. she don't really care that much about Emiliano she just wants his inheritance and then she wants to dump it. Well, thats my spin on it.
Permalink posted by : Monday, July 27, 2015 at 9:09:00 PM EDT
: Monday, July 27, 2015 at 9:09:00 PM EDT
Nina,
"Virginia is evil and calculating...She's a vindictive person."
Would it be a stretch to say the same about Martín?
Carlos
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"Virginia is evil and calculating...She's a vindictive person."
Would it be a stretch to say the same about Martín?
Carlos
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